Just wondering if anyone has changed their opinion about Libby, if she should still be considered a spy/Other or if she is not.

I did find it funny that when Kate and Claire were walking over to talk to Libby that Kate asked Claire if they thought they could trust her since they didn't even know her. Funny, considering no one really knows anyone on the island and Kate has done everything she could to hide her past from a majority of the people and conceals information she finds out.

I still don't think she's a spy, mainly because in her talk with Hurley she remembers him being late to get on the plane, and that's not really something you'd find out about unless you were there to begin with.

I don't think she's a spy, but I don't think she's a psychologist either. That wasn't much of a hypnosis session. "Listen to the ocean..... relax...... breathe in.... breath out.... think back to when you were pregnant......". I could've done that! :rolleyes:

I feel exactly the same about her. We saw her in very comforting roles like this during the early episodes of the season, especially during 48Days. It doesn't mean that she's not lying or that she's not an Other.
I tend to believe she's just a liar, and not necessarily a spy or Other. But no, after this I feel exactly the same. I'm actually dissapointed about that. lol. I wanted to feel *something* different about her! :rolleyes:

Libby is a bit off - I'm sure she was lying about Hurley stepping on her toes, since she was in the tail section. But, I definitely don't think she is an Other now (I wasn't sure that was necessarily refuted by her being on the plane). Zeke's conversation with Ethan about getting the list made it clear to me that there was no additional spy in the camp.

Plus, I love her and was just glad to see her in a scene! She and Hurley have been spending time together. :biggrin:

I’ve never considered her a spy, mole, or plant. I just don’t buy she’s a shrink though. Her hypnosis session was amateurish at best as anyone who’s seen (or had) a hypnosis session could have pulled off that one.

I just found it to be slightly ironic that Kate suggests we couldn't trust another person.

And this episode completely confused me on Libby, I'm sort of starting to like her. Cause come on she brought Claire flashbacks thus giving us one of the best episodes of Lost EVER.

I don't know much about psychology so I can't say whether or not what Libby did with Claire was realistic, but I definitely don't think Libby is an Other at all. I think there's been this confusion 'cause there hasn't been much with Libby lately. We've barely seen her, really. She may be lying about her profession, but I think she's a nice woman who genuinely was trying to help Claire.

And she likes Hurley. So she's awesome in my book. :smile:

Zeke's conversation with Ethan about getting the list made it clear to me that there was no additional spy in the camp.

My opinion didn't change much since last episode regarding whether or not Libby is an other, although my gut is that there's something slightly creepy about her that wouldn't be there if she were just a compulsive liar. Not sure what I think of her so far, but while she was in the water when the plane crashed, she WAS lying about Hurley stepping on her toes (and also she mentions him with his headphones --- Hurley didn't take out his headphones until he was in his seat).

In any case, I don't think Ethan was talking to Zeke. Zeke would have had a beard shortly afterwards when they abducted Walt, so he couldn't have been clean-shaven at that point. Also, he talks about "what's HE going to do" or something, referring to another person he seemed to fear, who I'm assuming was Zeke himself.

PS: anyone else want to see the whole Alex-Rousseau thing resolve itself??

I do want to see Alex and Rousseau reunited as well.

As for Libby, It struck me how sure of herself she was . . . she seemed very much to be leading Claire.

I still think she is a spy, but not for the group that seems to be taking the kids, rather I think she is part of the other others, and they are trying to protect the kids.

I also think the whole story about her on the plane was very fishy, when she asked Hurley if he remembered it was more like she already had him hypnotised and she was attempting to implant a false memory.

In any case, I don't think Ethan was talking to Zeke. Zeke would have had a beard shortly afterwards when they abducted Walt, so he couldn't have been clean-shaven at that point. Also, he talks about "what's HE going to do" or something, referring to another person he seemed to fear, who I'm assuming was Zeke himself.
Well that guy Ethan was talking too certainly sounded like Zeke and many people have posted that he was probably wearing the disguise Kate found, when they abducted Walt

Also, I felt that the look of concern that Libby had when Claire asked for her help was Libby thinking "Oh no, I have no idea how get her memories back, I better think of something believable"

As this episode seems to indicate Ethan was the only spy in the original camp, I think it's quite unlikely that Libby is a spy/Other, but she's certainly not telling the whole truth to the losties! I expect we'll get a very nice storyline out of her.

Dunno why, but that line (and the number of times it gets repeated) really irks me. Let's hear her say "Cynical Podiatrist" instead or whatever.

Dunno why, but that line (and the number of times it gets repeated) really irks me. Let's hear her say "Cynical Podiatrist" instead or whatever.

I agree! She is faking it!

I'm a uh.. Clinical ... Psycho... ... psycho.. LOGIST .. THAT'S IT!!

I don't think she's a spy or anything like that. But, it's the way she looks at people. Like if they've grown another head. It's all in her face. There's definitely something different about her.

Well this episode definatly brings up the fact that anybody can be an Other, I think Libby is just a pathological liar/Psycoligist.

I don't think Libby is a spy or an "other." Whether she is a psychologist or not I don't know.

I loved the editing in the scene when Kate & Claire said to Libby, "You help people remember things, right?" And the camera immediately cut to Hurley for one second. For a time I was thinking that perhaps Libby was a doctor at Hurley's institution, but after that therapy session, I don't think so. Now I'm wondering if she was a patient with him.

Well if she is a spy/other (which I do not believe) she was on the plane. The others know that the survivors have a manifest and were going to steal it (more infiltrations). If I was Hurley & the gang the first thing I would have done was check the tailies against the manifest. We don't know if they did or not but after Libby's comment to Hurley, I would check on her.

[I loved the editing in the scene when Kate & Claire said to Libby, "You help people remember things, right?" And the camera immediately cut to Hurley for one second. For a time I was thinking that perhaps Libby was a doctor at Hurley's institution, but after that therapy session, I don't think so. Now I'm wondering if she was a patient with him.]

I noticed that too. To me, it looked like Hurley had a worried or doubtful expression on his face. I think though he dropped the subject after Libby told him the story about him stepping on her foot, he didn't buy it either. I think Hurley is incredibly observant and he's no fool. People may dismiss him as some big dumb guy that says dude all the time, but he is observant and deep. I think he's been mulling it over and thinking about how he knows her and perhaps even remembered where he knew her from and that expression on his face would imply that it wasn't good. I personally, like many others think she was a mental patient.

In any case, I don't think Ethan was talking to Zeke. Zeke would have had a beard shortly afterwards when they abducted Walt, so he couldn't have been clean-shaven at that point. Also, he talks about "what's HE going to do" or something, referring to another person he seemed to fear, who I'm assuming was Zeke himself.

Well, Kate did find theater glue, a fake beard, and ragged clothes....

Just a thought

I personally get the feeling Libby is somehow someway connected to Dharma. I think she was planted on the plane for a reason.

Of course, I have nothing to back this theory up.... :grin:

All that above aside, I think she is infected with the virus, did you see the bumps on her lip and around her mouth? If it personal, perhaps make up could clear it up, but I think not. I think her connection to Hurley will supprise us all, as for a spy, not sure yet on this.

Libby is a bit off - I'm sure she was lying about Hurley stepping on her toes, since she was in the tail section. But, I definitely don't think she is an Other now (I wasn't sure that was necessarily refuted by her being on the plane). Zeke's conversation with Ethan about getting the list made it clear to me that there was no additional spy in the camp.

Plus, I love her and was just glad to see her in a scene! She and Hurley have been spending time together. :biggrin:

Libby wasn't in the Lostie camp when that conversation occurred. She was with the Tailies (and Goodwin).

I just found it to be slightly ironic that Kate suggests we couldn't trust another person.

And this episode completely confused me on Libby, I'm sort of starting to like her. Cause come on she brought Claire flashbacks thus giving us one of the best episodes of Lost EVER.

Seriously, HFFH! :biggrin:


In any case, I don't think Ethan was talking to Zeke. Zeke would have had a beard shortly afterwards when they abducted Walt, so he couldn't have been clean-shaven at that point. Also, he talks about "what's HE going to do" or something, referring to another person he seemed to fear, who I'm assuming was Zeke himself.

Well that guy Ethan was talking too certainly sounded like Zeke and many people have posted that he was probably wearing the disguise Kate found, when they abducted Walt
Well, Kate did find theater glue, a fake beard, and ragged clothes....

Just a thought

Um, and MC Gainey was a guest star! The same MC Gainey who was a guest star during Exodus III and The Hunting Party, so umm... yeah it was Mr. Friendly/Zeke.


Also, I felt that the look of concern that Libby had when Claire asked for her help was Libby thinking "Oh no, I have no idea how get her memories back, I better think of something believable"

That's interesting. I didn't think of that. I'll check that out when I rewatch. I did sooo want her to be sketchy during that scene. I even had a spoiler theory based on it. :rolleyes:

I noticed that too. To me, it looked like Hurley had a worried or doubtful expression on his face. I think though he dropped the subject after Libby told him the story about him stepping on her foot, he didn't buy it either. I think Hurley is incredibly observant and he's no fool. People may dismiss him as some big dumb guy that says dude all the time, but he is observant and deep. I think he's been mulling it over and thinking about how he knows her and perhaps even remembered where he knew her from and that expression on his face would imply that it wasn't good. I personally, like many others think she was a mental patient.
Also noticed that look on Hurley's face, and I wonder if he was just trying to put the pieces together in his head still about her, or if he'd moved on from his suspicion already... they seemed to be having fun and laughing before Claire and Kate came up to them. Hmm...
That being said, I think we'll find out in an upcoming episode what is going on with their possible pre-island connection: hopefully in Hurley's episode, but it would be awesome if there was a mystery hanging after his that got resolved in her episode.

I don't know if I buy that Libby is an other. She also may or may not be a psychologist. I work in the field of psychology, and I know that many of the individuals can learn a lot about conducting theraputic procedures through receiving the treatment.

I don't think Libby is an Other.

I don't think she's a clinical psychologist.... maybe a "clinical psychologist's study subject".

I think she is connected to Hurley via the mental institution.

She maybe a pathological liar.

I really don't know whether she's lying when she told Hurley that he stepped on her on the plane when he was boarding. The fact that she's a tailie means nothing; Bernard is a tailie too. Hurley being late is not something you would easily know if you're sitting at the back.

She deserves a flashback episode. Soon. I don't want to wait until next season.

Okay, so what do you think of how she "helped" Claire regain the memories?

Do you think she helped her enthusiastically, or reluctantly?

I think Claire's reactions seemed to surprise her. I couldn't tell if it bothered her though - maybe it did. Like, she didn't really want Claire to remember all that she did. Of course, I am probably reading way too much into it. She just seemed "hesitant" through the whole thing, to me.

And why didn't she go with them, to further assist Claire during this adventure?

Thoughts?


Oh, and where is Cindy? Michael? Desmond? And WALT????? :confused:

Bringing up regressed memories is questionable to begin with as far as the validity of what is uncovered. I haven't figured out what to think of Libby and her actions (or lack thereof). Sure is thought-provoking though. They haven't disclosed a lot with her.

All we know is what Claire saw while under "hypnosis," or whatever it is that she was doing.

I know that a lot of people have questioned if Libby really is a clinical psychologist. Perhaps she asked leading questions to Claire during this experience.

Oh, and where is Cindy? Michael? Desmond? And WALT????? :confused:

Exactly! Have the other survivors forgotten about them?? Noone has been out looking, noone has even mentioned them lately. Or are we just supposed to assume they have been searching "off camera"? Totally doesn't make any sense to me.

Lateralus and Duckie, people have been wondering where everyone is for months! If you miss those people or it wracks your brain, I suggest you join D.A.M.P (Dead and Missing People) Cool group. Anyway about Libby, it's all in the way she looks at people. Her eyes are a little too shifty for me. Right? When someone asks her a question she looks at them like they've grown another head or something. That's why I don't trust her. She has to be hiding something, I don't know.

I think Libby just didn't want Claire to act too drastically. Remember where libby came from. Nearly all of the tailies were taken, Maybe Libby thought if Claire went of tramping into the jungle she would be taken too.

Just a thought along the lines of the theory about Libby not being a real psychologist...What if Libby was reluctant to help Claire because she really didn't know how to help Claie bring back memories, but didn't want to blow her cover. :wacko:

I think Hurley knows Libby from the mental institution back in California. But Libby was not a psychologist. She was a patient, and is only delusional that she is a psychologist.

Sorry, I present no evidence for this speculation. Just trying to think like these twisted Lost writers. :biggrin:

I am under the impression that Libby has done something MAJOR - major enough for her to be struck off as a shrink and she has repressed those memories and then perhaps has become a compulsive liar trying to cover it up.
I think Libby is a good person, I think she knew what could happen to Claire if those memories came to the surface.
I didn't like Kate's "What did you do" and "Are you sure we can trust her" - I mean hello, hypocrite you blew up your father and neglected to tell your fellow castaways that you were a fugitive...

Lateralus and Duckie, people have been wondering where everyone is for months! If you miss those people or it wracks your brain, I suggest you join D.A.M.P (Dead and Missing People) Cool group. Anyway about Libby, it's all in the way she looks at people. Her eyes are a little too shifty for me. Right? When someone asks her a question she looks at them like they've grown another head or something. That's why I don't trust her. She has to be hiding something, I don't know.

i don't think that they meant the people here, rather they meant the people on the show, and its true; there has been no mention of them

I liked the way libby helped her. Any she did it without any nonsense, basically just relaxing Claire to the level where she could find things for herself. Notice you didn't see her leading Claire at all, which is why all of hypnotherapy and regressed memory work is trashed on. Some therapists lead there subjects, making suggestions in their questioning so that the subject will lean towards a particular answer. It's especially a problem with questioning and counseling childrean.

I think that libby was shocked that what she did worked...because she really isnt a shrink.

I thought she was kind of flakey. Maybe its just the manner in which the actress talks, I dunno.

I thought she was kind of flakey.

I have known/dealt with/been to many a psychologist/psychiatrist in my life......most ARE kinda flaky and out there:drowsy:..........makes me think she really IS who she says she is!

bawstngrl

Did anyone notice the look on HUrley's face when the camera cut to him. The line was somthing like "...you help people remember things." The camera cut to Hurley and he had a strange look on his face. Or maybe like most things I am reading too much into it.:)

Most clinical psychologists are reluctant to deal with memory recovery becuase of the leading stigma and reactions like Claire's as they may be causing more trauma to the patient. It's usually best to wait until the patient unblocks their own memory after enough time has passed so that they can look at the traumatic event somewhat objectively.

Most clinical psychologists are reluctant to deal with memory recovery becuase of the leading stigma and reactions like Claire's as they may be causing more trauma to the patient. It's usually best to wait until the patient unblocks their own memory after enough time has passed so that they can look at the traumatic event somewhat objectively.

Exactly what I was trying to touch on with my post. Alot of people have gone to jail over this, and not all of them are guilty. Implanted memories of abuse can't be countered with evidence, and only in recent years have courts stopped allowing these spontaneously recovered memories as evidence, because alot of them didn't happen.

I think that libby was shocked that what she did worked...because she really isnt a shrink.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think Libby was ever a psychologist, but I do think she might have been a patient on the receiving end of the technique she used on Claire. The shock came when she realized it actually worked. The reluctance or hesitancy on Libby's part towards Claire's request might have come from a fear of people digging too deeply into her claim of being a clinical pyschologist......


Originally Posted by fadepattern
Did anyone notice the look on HUrley's face when the camera cut to him. The line was somthing like "...you help people remember things." The camera cut to Hurley and he had a strange look on his face. Or maybe like most things I am reading too much into it.:)


I think poor Hurley hates any talk of psychology/mental hospitals because of his past experiences. Unfortunately there's quite a stigma attached to that sort of thing. Even when he told Jack he'd been in a mental hospital, Jack's reaction wasn't the most encouraging of reactions and Jack was a medical professional, for crying out loud.... Right now, Hurley is well-liked by all the Losties and I don't think he'd want to jeopardize that by making it common knowledge that he'd spent time being treated for mental/emotional problems.....

As always, jmo....

Libby is an Other.

I don't think Libby is an Other, and I'm not sure she is a psychologist, I do think however, she may have been stalking, trying to get close to Hurley to con him or get her hands on his money! :shock1: Maybe she met him as a doc in the institution, (either one of them being the doc) and decided to track him down when she learned about his lotto winnings.