For the most part, the flashbacks depict real events. However, don't limit yourself by assuming that everything is true. Allow for the possibility that some events are not as they appear. Once you do this you will find ample clues as to what events you should question. After all how many mystery books have you read where everything is exactly as it appears. The fun is in finding the clues. The memories have all been programmed. The sheer number of coincidences is one clue but there is at least another. However, to stay on the topic of this thread let me refocus on Jack.

One clue, I believe the biggest, that was missed in the pilot is the scene with Jack and Kate where she is sewing up his wound. In the part where Jack is describing an operation where he overcame his fears he says that this was his first solo operation on a 16 year old girl. However the surgery he describes is the one he performed on Sarah. Her spine was crushed and Jack told Sarahs fiancee that it will be a 10-12 hour operation. The way Jack is describing the operation in the scene, it sounds like he actually botched the operation, only in the end he turns it around. If you observe him, he is almost ready to have an emotional breakdown while describing it. This, coupled with what we know about his time in Thailand plus the Desmond "coincidence" meeting are all clues to what happened with Jack. He didn't just take some time off in Thailand. In order for him to master being an expert poker player plus given all of the tatoos (both upper arm and inner arm) are indications that he spent a lot of time there, like years. In fact he was probably living there until he came to this island. He has some serious problems to overcome.

I don't believe it's the same surgery.

Pilot Part 1
Jack: Well, fear's sort of an odd thing. When I was in residency my first solo procedure was a spinal surgery on a 16 year old kid, a girl. And at the end, after 13 hours, I was closing her up and I, I accidentally ripped her dural sac, shredded the base of the spine where all the nerves come together, membrane as thin as tissue. And so it ripped open and the nerves just spilled out of her like angel hair pasta, spinal fluid flowing out of her and I and the terror was just so crazy. So real. And I knew I had to deal with it. So I just made a choice. I'd let the fear in, let it take over, let it do its thing, but only for 5 seconds, that's all I was going to give it. So I started to count, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Then it was gone. I went back to work, sewed her up and she was fine.

MOS/MOF (Jack isn't an intern in this episode.)

Jack: You have a fracture dislocation of your thoracic lumbar spine with multiple crushed vertebrae. Your back is broken. Your spleen is ruptured and bleeding into your abdomen and that has to be stopped. I'm going to perform surgery and repair as much damage as possible, but even the most optimistic result puts the likelihood of retaining any feeling or mobility anywhere below the waist at... extremely unlikely.

JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW.

in the second photo the fuselage is tilted forward as I would have expected it would be if it was moving when it hit the beach...

Besides Kate, Sayid my have been awake for whatever happened.

S1E7 Sayid: Not like this one. The tail section broke off when we were still in the air. Our section cart wheeled through the jungle and yet we escaped with nothing but a few scrapes. How do you explain that?

Jack: You have a fracture dislocation of your thoracic lumbar spine with multiple crushed vertebrae. Your back is broken. Your spleen is ruptured and bleeding into your abdomen and that has to be stopped. I'm going to perform surgery and repair as much damage as possible, but even the most optimistic result puts the likelihood of retaining any feeling or mobility anywhere below the waist at... extremely unlikely.



Later in the same episode: Jack to his father.

Jack: Her spine's crushed. I tell her that everything's going to be okay -- that's false hope, dad.


Then later Jack to Sarah's fiance:



Jack: Your fiance was seriously injured. It could take as long as 10, maybe 12 hours. I won't know how extensive the damage is until I get inside.



I most certainly could be a 13 hour long spinal operation on Sarah that Jack is describing and I doubt that he would have performed such an operation on a 16 year old girl the first time he soloed.

Later in the same episode: Jack to his father.

Jack: Her spine's crushed. I tell her that everything's going to be okay -- that's false hope, dad.

Then later Jack to Sarah's fiance:



Jack: Your fiance was seriously injured. It could take as long as 10, maybe 12 hours. I won't know how extensive the damage is until I get inside.

I most certainly could be a 13 hour long spinal operation on Sarah that Jack is describing and I doubt that he would have performed such an operation on a 16 year old girl the first time he soloed.






I don't see it as Jack's first solo procedure & Jack has never developed a good beside manner. He still doesn't have one.

most certainly could be a 13 hour long spinal operation on Sarah that Jack is describing and I doubt that he would have performed such an operation on a 16 year old girl the first time he soloed. And if you are using this reasoning why would they let Sarah be Jack's first solo procedure @ 10-12 hours?

You are able to have your perception. I just don't see it the same way you do.

Also most 16 year olds aren't engaged. Maybe in 1842.

I have been reading a lot that Jack and Kate are now the focus on not being what they appear to be -I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Jack was not suppose to live past the pilot! - Yet in the beginning we were all focusing on Locke - I find this most interesting. For all I have read and asked I am now convinced it all lies with Locke still!
However,
I totally agree that the flashback's are not necessarily exactly the way things happened - I wonder if maybe the Losties memories are "being altered" by the others - that memories are actually being manipulated - in order to change the way the Lostie responds to an incident on the island.

I don't see it as Jack's first solo procedure & Jack has never developed a good beside manner. He still doesn't have one.

And if you are using this reasoning why would they let Sarah be Jack's first solo procedure @ 10-12 hours?

You are able to have your perception. I just don't see it the same way you do.

I am not saying that Sarah was his first operation. It is very likely that his first operation was a 16 year old girl but I don't believe that it was a 13 hour long spinal surgery. What I am saying is that Jack is thinking back on Sarahs operation in the context of fear. This is a clue inserted by the writers. They are not going to make it obvious but they have put in enough information to get our attention.

I am not saying that Sarah was his first operation. It is very likely that his first operation was a 16 year old girl but I don't believe that it was a 13 hour long spinal surgery. What I am saying is that Jack is thinking back on Sarahs operation in the context of fear. This is a clue inserted by the writers. They are not going to make it obvious but they have put in enough information to get our attention. Maybe, but consider that Jack's story, about the 16 yo was in the Pilot episode, there's a good chance that Sarah didn't exist in the minds of anyone.

Maybe, but consider that Jack's story, about the 16 yo was in the Pilot episode, there's a good chance that Sarah didn't exist in the minds of anyone.

I am not sure that it had to be Sarah back when the pilot was written. The point is that he botched a critical operation (on someone) which caused him to start drinking have a breakdown and ultimately to move to Thailand. By the time MOS/MOF they had it all worked out including Desmonds suggesting that he didn't actually botch the operation but that he performed a miracle. It is possible that both Man of Science and Man of Faith refer to Jack only since he is a doctor who now believes in miracles.

Sigh. Well folks, Maybe this might be it... they are on the plane, enjoying their flight, then ~ bang ~ something goes awry. Now, if the plane was falling down, wouldn't the people on the plane feel and appear somewhat weightless? But it doesn't appear so. Jack's head (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=407)gets pulled back like the plane has accelerated forward or has been pulled up. Oh, that's right, so did Rose's head (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=408).

Just think of a fast moving elevator... if you go down, you feel a bit lighter, but does your head move back like in pics above? Or is your head more inclined to move back if you are being pulled up or accelerating forward?

Just my two cents.

I am not sure that it had to be Sarah back when the pilot was written. The point is that he botched a critical operation (on someone) which caused him to start drinking have a breakdown and ultimately to move to Thailand. By the time MOS/MOF they had it all worked out including Desmonds suggesting that he didn't actually botch the operation but that he performed a miracle. It is possible that both Man of Science and Man of Faith refer to Jack only since he is a doctor who now believes in miracles. Jack didn't have his tattoo's when he was getting married to Sarah. We figured it out from Shannon's story, that the accident was about 4 tears ago.

I have been reading a lot that Jack and Kate are now the focus on not being what they appear to be -I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Jack was not suppose to live past the pilot! - Yet in the beginning we were all focusing on Locke - I find this most interesting. For all I have read and asked I am now convinced it all lies with Locke still!
However,
I totally agree that the flashback's are not necessarily exactly the way things happened - I wonder if maybe the Losties memories are "being altered" by the others - that memories are actually being manipulated - in order to change the way the Lostie responds to an incident on the island.

you bring up a good point.
i haven't trusted locke since the minute I saw him... mainly because I subconciously connected him with his role in Stepfather(where he was a serial killer who married into families and killed them)
My whole theory was/is that Terry's character is WAY too good in the first season. The audience is made to love the guy, but he has some certain qualities that make me feel uneasy.
Of course, we slowly learned more about Locke to the point that we felt comfortable with his character even with those feelings, justifying his quirkiness with the whole "dad stealing his kidney" thing, but I still think that maybe there are clues to Locke's true character.

i dunno, I am just banking on the ol' character switcheroo, kinda like the Michael vs. the girls thing, but WAY more grandiose.

Jack didn't have his tattoo's when he was getting married to Sarah. We figured it out from Shannon's story, that the accident was about 4 tears ago.

That's my point, he spent, I believe, several years in Thailand where he got the tattoo's and learned to play cards. This was after the accident where he met Sarah. I doubt that just breaking up with Sarah would have caused this level of breakdown. Also, before his breakdown he started drinking. If you look at his appearance from the time after he married Sarah including the time he turned in his father, it is Jack who looks like he has been drinking not his father. He is unshaven and diskempt just like his father looked while in Australia. This was all leading up to his breakdown. Something very serious pushed him into this downward spiral and his little speech in the pilot is the clue.

Don't know if these have been posted, but I noticed a few things:

1. Jack and Rose were sitting across the aisle from each other (which is what, a foot apart). How did Jack end up in the jungle and Rose on the beach? He seemed quite a distance from the others.

2. Someone else pointed this out on another site, but how is it that Jack landed in the jungle among all the trees and bamboo shoots and just had a cut on his side? Shouldn't his back have been all ripped up? Or at least a little more than one cut?

3. With how much screaming and burning and explosions, etc, going on after the crash, how did the two groups not hear each other? I know they were an unknown distance from each other, but it's not like there was a bunch of traffic making noise....

4. Kate and the Marshal were next to each other. He ended up on the beach and she landed in the jungle....Deep enough in the jungle that no one saw her right away. How is that?

Don't know if any of this has been discussed before or is important, but it's just some stuff that caught my attention.

Now, if the plane was falling down, wouldn't the people on the plane feel and appear somewhat weightless? But it doesn't appear so. Jack's head (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=407)gets pulled back like the plane has accelerated forward or has been pulled up. Oh, that's right, so did Rose's head (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=408).

Just think of a fast moving elevator... if you go down, you feel a bit lighter, but does your head move back like in pics above? Or is your head more inclined to move back if you are being pulled up or accelerating forward?

Just my two cents.Your theory is correct if the plane remains horizontal, but if it went into a steep dive, then it would all work as you describe.

People would indeed move upwards relative to the plane, as the plane dropped, but in a nose dive, upwards would be towards the back of the plane.

The plane would indeed accelerate - downwards.

So what we saw is supported by rudimentary physics. Nothing missed there.

As a side note, if the back of the plane were held in some way as this dive happened, it could possibly rip the tail section of the plane right off :biggrin:.

Something very serious pushed him into this downward spiral and his little speech in the pilot is the clue.

I think it more likely that Jack gets full of himself, and since he performed a miracle once on Sarah, tries it again on another patient despite enormous odds and kills her.

I think it more likely that Jack gets full of himself, and since he performed a miracle once on Sarah, tries it again on another patient despite enormous odds and kills her.

Regardless of who you might think the cause was, you still have to allow for Jack to have a breakdown and spend years in Thailand between now and the time he met Sarah. This puts an entirely different light on Jacks backstory and brings up the question, did he ever really recover from his breakdown or is that the reason why he is on the island currently.

I don't see any point in bringing in another catalyst besides Sarah for his current state of being. What would be the point since they already have her tied to the island through Desmond.

Regardless of who you might think the cause was, you still have to allow for Jack to have a breakdown and spend years in Thailand between now and the time he met Sarah. This puts an entirely different light on Jacks backstory and brings up the question, did he ever really recover from his breakdown or is that the reason why he is on the island currently.

I don't see any point in bringing in another catalyst besides Sarah for his current state of being. What would be the point since they already have her tied to the island through Desmond.Jack may have spent a couple of years in Thailand after his breakup with Sarah. The other woman, it was her father, that died. Jack was attracted to her and there is some suspicion that Christian was having an affair with Jack's wife, Sarah. I guess your definition of years is different than mine. We know that the window of time is 4 years and that's putting it at it's maximum. Yes, he has been to Thailand, certainly could have had a breakdown and yes, Jack could have a drinking problem.

Jack may have spent a couple of years in Thailand after his breakup with Sarah. The other woman, it was her father, that died. Jack was attracted to her and there is some suspicion that Christian was having an affair with Jack's wife, Sarah. I guess your definition of years is different than mine. We know that the window of time is 4 years and that's putting it at it's maximum. Yes, he has been to Thailand, certainly could have had a breakdown and yes, Jack could have a drinking problem.

But everything you just said is direct contradiction with the official storyline. During the 4 years when did he take off a couple of years? When did he start drinking? When did he come back to denounce his father. There is no indication that he stopped practicing and started up again. What I am saying is that it was either Jack or his father that had the breakdown not both. On the surface it looks like it was his father but the indications are that it was Jack. And this has everything to do with the real storyline.

I could not find it mentioned in this thread. Can anyone offer any definitive proof that TPTB have said we're missing something from the Pilot? This keeps being brought up, but to my knowledge no one has ever provided a source.

Furthermore, how do they know this? Are they aware of every theory/observation out there?

Regardless of who you might think the cause was, you still have to allow for Jack to have a breakdown and spend years in Thailand between now and the time he met Sarah. This puts an entirely different light on Jacks backstory and brings up the question, did he ever really recover from his breakdown or is that the reason why he is on the island currently.

I don't see any point in bringing in another catalyst besides Sarah for his current state of being. What would be the point since they already have her tied to the island through Desmond.

Uh, I peg his quitting and hiatus in thailand post-Sarah. Why does thailand have to happen pre-Sarah exactly?



But everything you just said is direct contradiction with the official storyline. During the 4 years when did he take off a couple of years? When did he start drinking? When did he come back to denounce his father.

Who said he came back to denounce his father? Why can't the denunciation and getting Christian fired have happened prior to Sarah? That's how I've always viewed it.




There is no indication that he stopped practicing and started up again.

That's pretty funny. There's no indication that he killed Sarah either. Just because something isn't spelled out doesn't mean that something can't have happened. There's a HUGE chunk of unaccounted for time in Jack's life.



What I am saying is that it was either Jack or his father that had the breakdown not both. On the surface it looks like it was his father but the indications are that it was Jack. And this has everything to do with the real storyline.

You can be saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Why can't both Jack and his Dad have alchohol problems?

Why can't Christian's glowing admiration for Jack (revealed to Sawyer) be because Jack quit medicine when he started to drink, etc, while Christian couldn't give up his work even if it meant endagering people? Work was the most important thing in Christian's life which was why he continued to do it even when not fit. Jack cares more about other people.

Uh, I peg his breakdown post-Sarah. Why does thailand have to happen pre-Sarah exactly?

It is definitely after he meets Sarah, I don't think it matters whether it is before or after they break up if that really happens at all. The point is that if Jack did have a breakdown and became an alcoholic as his father supposedly did how do you account for the missed time in between and when did he actually come back and magically fix himself as if nothing at all has happened. None of this is mentioned in the official storyline which makes the whole think suspect.

The point is that if Jack did have a breakdown and became an alcoholic as his father supposedly did how do you account for the missed time in between and when did he actually come back and magically fix himself as if nothing at all has happened.

Ok, what makes you think he came back and was magically fixed? Why can't the trip to Australia be while he was no longer working as a Dr.? His little scene at the ticket counter certainly looked like a man at the end of his rope.

Ok, what makes you think he came back and was magically fixed? Why can't the trip to Australia be while he was no longer working as a Dr.? His little scene at the ticket counter certainly looked like a man at the end of his rope.

You're getting closer. Then who was it that turned in his father for drinking on the job? Assuming that Jack was gone for one or more years he either fixed himself and came back just in the knick of time to rat out his father, or maybe the whole thing didn't really happen as depicted by the official version. I vote for the latter.
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That's pretty funny. There's no indication that he killed Sarah either. Just because something isn't spelled out doesn't mean that something can't have happened. There's a HUGE chunk of unaccounted for time in Jack's life.

You can be saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Why can't both Jack and his Dad have alchohol problems?

Why can't Christian's glowing admiration for Jack (revealed to Sawyer) be because Jack quit medicine when he started to drink, etc, while Christian couldn't give up his work even if it meant endagering people? Work was the most important thing in Christian's life which was why he continued to do it even when not fit. Jack cares more about other people.

I didn't say he necessarily killed her but he did not fix her. Although he might have killed her I don't know. The indication is the clue in the pilot I have been referring to.

There are 4 years at most to account for from the time he met Sarah to the time he ended up on the island currently. Out of those four years he spent a minimum of one probably more like 2 years in Thailand.

At the time Jack met Sarah both he and his father were practicing doctors. So then when would Jack have his breakdown and go to Thailand and come home again. According to the story he goes from his home to pick up his fathers body. The whole sequence doesn't make sense if they both have breakdowns and take off to different parts of the world.

how about charlies line with the whole day turning into dark, if that was weird. That has been happening alot on the show latly with the whole day turning into night and night into day so quickly. But what would that mean?


also how about when jack is standing on the beacj after he ran out teh junlge and is looking at one side and its quiet and yet then you the camera shifts to another angle and you start to hear people yelling and teh engines. Did that all just go on all of a sudden or was this all set up in some way. Is this really happening or is it in jacks head? after hurleys epi in dave, where dave was saying he was still in the hospital and was making all this up, whats not to say they gave up the whole ending right there. But its jack thats in a hospital in a coma or something.
we have been told by the producers that they can gurantee we will not like the ending at all.

I could not find it mentioned in this thread. Can anyone offer any definitive proof that TPTB have said we're missing something from the Pilot? This keeps being brought up, but to my knowledge no one has ever provided a source.

Furthermore, how do they know this? Are they aware of every theory/observation out there?

This question is asked again and again and my question is what does it matter whether TPTB said it or not? Almost every episode has some clue inserted and it stands to reason that the pilot does as well. Since the pilot is early on in the series they probably don't have intricate details worked out but only general background sketches relating to the overall theme of the show. So it is logical that the clues tend to deal with the relationship between the characters and the overall theme.

Let me give you an example. The overall theme of Lost is that it is a psychological treatment program. So naturally everyone there has some psychological history for being there. Take Jack for instance. He is a doctor who has difficulty with dealing with the life and death pressures of being a doctor and when he botches an operation he can't deal with it and has a breakdown. So the writers insert a clue in the pilot that Jack botched an operation. They make it both ambiguous and outrageous enough so that they can fill in the details later. Whose operation did he botch? It doesn't matter at this time but you can be certain it wasn't the very first operation that he ever performed on his own which is what they imply. There are other clues as well and they are all in the context of the show.

we have been told by the producers that they can gurantee we will not like the ending at all.

Do you have a link?

I think your way off on Jack's backstory, we have pretty much seen it all already. So he went to Thailand, big deal, he probaly was doing Doctors without Borders or the Peace Corp or something like that. If Jack was an alcoholic he would have gone through withdrawal like Charlie as far as I know there isnt a stash of Dharma liquor.

OK So I just listened to today's ABC LOST podcast and I am partly wrongMatthew Fox says that the backstory of his tattoos will represent a dark period in his backstory but he seemed to imply that it was related to his breakup with Sarah not accidentally killing her

This question is asked again and again and my question is what does it matter whether TPTB said it or not?
It's asked again and again because apparently no one has ever provided an answer. It seems to be something people want to believe in -- that there is some ginormous clue tucked away in the Pilot episode that may unlock the secrets of Lost. I appreciate your perspective, but to me this "urban myth" that keeps popping up is just leading fans on a wild goose chase.

Me, I love to speculate and dig for clues, but when its not justified it just seems like wasted effort.

It's asked again and again because apparently no one has ever provided an answer. It seems to be something people want to believe in -- that there is some ginormous clue tucked away in the Pilot episode that may unlock the secrets of Lost. I appreciate your perspective, but to me this "urban myth" that keeps popping up is just leading fans on a wild goose chase.

Me, I love to speculate and dig for clues, but when its not justified it just seems like wasted effort.

OK, I first heard of this way back in season one I think. I know I heard of it BEFORE the podcasts began. And I THOUGHT it was in an interview or something. I read about it at www.lost-forum.com (http://www.lost-forum.com) IIRC but, I have searched there and can find nothing. My fear is it is a hoax - but my gut says it's real.

I dunno

Carl

There was something in the begining that seemed to be a mistake to me. At the time, I shrugged it off, thinking it was typical of poor production standards. However, now seeing how meticulous the writers have been about every detail and well-thought-out the show appears to be, I am not so sure.
In the pilot, Jack was injured. He had a gaping hole in his back and he asked Kate to come and "literally" stitch him up. That was their first meeting after the crash. But then what happened to the wound? It just sort disappeared suddenly. When he ran out to try to save that woman who was drowning, he had no wound whatsoever.

Again, this could be just a mistake in the production. But then again, the writers seem to be on the ball most of the time, so I kind of hope not. If this is the major clue, that Jack is a very fast healer, what does this signify? Maybe there is a twin of Jack. Maybe he has a clone already on the island? No! Yes??

There was something in the begining that seemed to be a mistake to me. At the time, I shrugged it off, thinking it was typical of poor production standards. However, now seeing how meticulous the writers have been about every detail and well-thought-out the show appears to be, I am not so sure.
In the pilot, Jack was injured. He had a gaping hole in his back and he asked Kate to come and "literally" stitch him up. That was their first meeting after the crash. But then what happened to the wound? It just sort disappeared suddenly. When he ran out to try to save that woman who was drowning, he had no wound whatsoever.

Again, this could be just a mistake in the production. But then again, the writers seem to be on the ball most of the time, so I kind of hope not. If this is the major clue, that Jack is a very fast healer, what does this signify? Maybe there is a twin of Jack. Maybe he has a clone already on the island? No! Yes??

I ahdn't noticed that! Though, at least for some, the Island appears to accelerate healing. It's kinda interesting (though likely not significant) that Jacks' wound was so similar to Locke's nephrectomy scar.

I suppose the airplane pilot's body not being recovered and buried could be significant. The other's have costumes and makeup - maybe they used some other theatrical effects to 'stage' the attack and plant a fake body?

Carl

It's asked again and again because apparently no one has ever provided an answer. It seems to be something people want to believe in -- that there is some ginormous clue tucked away in the Pilot episode that may unlock the secrets of Lost. I appreciate your perspective, but to me this "urban myth" that keeps popping up is just leading fans on a wild goose chase.

I think that this thing was mentioned by JJ in one of the "special features" on the DVD. Thats my memory of it...or it was on a website...

About Jack. If you go here (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm) click on seat 4A, seat 23A lights up. If you then click on that, a bottle of vodka dances on the screen.

I know he received a bottle from the flight attendant right before the crash, but why so much emphasis on this? I agree that they are telling us that Jack had his own bout with alcoholism during his time in Thailand. Maybe the alcohol is the clue we're missing.

I think this explains a lot about Jack's demeanor in the show. He was appointed the defacto leader and everybody really wanted to imagine he was heroic, but his attitude has been dour. I agree he may have had a breakdown from which he is still not recovered. It also means that his visions of his father on the island could have been a plain old hallucination aided by alcohol.

As the nominal leader of the group, it is my suspicion they will not be able to overcome The Others until Jack overcomes his problems.
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If you look at the first three screep caps (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=0) Jack appears to be holding something. If you look at this one (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=18), we see it is the bottle of vodka. The clue we've been missing is that Jack is an alcoholic.

About Jack. If you go here (http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm) click on seat 4A, seat 23A lights up. If you then click on that, a bottle of vodka dances on the screen.

I know he received a bottle from the flight attendant right before the crash, but why so much emphasis on this? I agree that they are telling us that Jack had his own bout with alcoholism during his time in Thailand. Maybe the alcohol is the clue we're missing.

I think this explains a lot about Jack's demeanor in the show. He was appointed the defacto leader and everybody really wanted to imagine he was heroic, but his attitude has been dour. I agree he may have had a breakdown from which he is still not recovered. It also means that his visions of his father on the island could have been a plain old hallucination aided by alcohol.

As the nominal leader of the group, it is my suspicion they will not be able to overcome The Others until Jack overcomes his problems.
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If you look at the first three screep caps (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=0)Jack appears to be holding something. If you look at this one (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=18), we see it is the bottle of vodka. The clue we've been missing is that Jack is an alcoholic.

He wanted xtra booze to go back and share with AL in the tail section (no pun intended) and indeed was headed there when he sat down next to Rose at the first turbulence hit. It eventually gets used to disinfect his wound IIRC.

Carl

Can you help me with this one? I don't see how the bottle is "clearly...ice cold". There is no condesation on the bottle and there is no steam coming off the bottle. Why would you assume that the vodka was cold?

The metal next to Jack looks like a flashlight to me.

Could be junk from the plane too.

Seems that everybody is talking about the wreckage at the beach. I was trying to concentrate more on the cockpit section. If anyone noticed it let's chat.

I just watched the pilot again. While Jack, Charlie & Kate are making there way to the front of a cockpit, the camera quickly pans to an object for just 2 secongs (enough to focus on it) seemingly sitting on a rolled up newspaper. I, for the life of me, can't figure out what it is. Looks like something wrapped in ceran-wrap. Long and skinny like a piece of pepperoni. Thing is, I'm interpreting the focus on the object by the camera as something that should be important. Can anyone help out?

I just watched the pilot again. While Jack, Charlie & Kate are making there way to the front of a cockpit, the camera quickly pans to an object for just 2 secongs (enough to focus on it) seemingly sitting on a rolled up newspaper. I, for the life of me, can't figure out what it is. Looks like something wrapped in ceran-wrap. Long and skinny like a piece of pepperoni. Thing is, I'm interpreting the focus on the object by the camera as something that should be important. Can anyone help out?

You are right they definitely do make a point of focusing on it. I can't tell what it is for sure either, it looks like it could be some of the cabling for the airplane. Maybe it had something to do with the crash.

It's asked again and again because apparently no one has ever provided an answer. It seems to be something people want to believe in -- that there is some ginormous clue tucked away in the Pilot episode that may unlock the secrets of Lost. I appreciate your perspective, but to me this "urban myth" that keeps popping up is just leading fans on a wild goose chase.

Me, I love to speculate and dig for clues, but when its not justified it just seems like wasted effort.

You know I how to agree with AZJeepDude that it's practically an urban myth that there is a huge clue we missed in the pilot. But after reading the last few pages of this thread I have to admit that people are making some interesting and informative posts! So keep on going, even if it was never said by TPTB, the points that being mentioned are great!

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=9292 Heaven knows when I posted this, I guess I could just look.

I was interested in the cockpit also. It seems that there is a door with burnmarks or something in the the passenger seating area. It's in Past theories so maybe I'll being the caps over.

http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=392
http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=396

The writers have stated (according to other board members) that we are missing something IMPORTANT from the pilot episode.....

I may get guff for this, but maybe they mean the smokey spheres.Click on the link below then click on the image for an enlarged view

http://mrfind.blogspot.com/2006/02/eyes-wide-open-for-mini-smokeys-cameo.html

I just rewatched the first hour, and think that we shouldn't be LOOKING for something so much as LISTENING to something.

The sounds that the Losties hear coming from the jungle sounds almost identical to the sounds they heard as the plane began its decent and crash...

If this whole thing is either a VR world, or perhaps a "staged" and "faked" incident (a la "The Game"), maybe this sound is being played a little too loudly for another staged crash going on?

Does anyone know what happened to the co-pilot. does he fall from behind the cockpit door or from the toilet?

Seems strange that he wasn't in his seat:confused:

Does anyone know what happened to the co-pilot. does he fall from behind the cockpit door or from the toilet?

Seems strange that he wasn't in his seat:confused:

I WAS wondering about that....
Maybe da monster wanted a snack....;p

I WAS wondering about that....
Maybe da monster wanted a snack....;p
I may get guff for this, but maybe they mean the smokey spheres.Click on the link below then click on the image for an enlarged view

http://mrfind.blogspot.com/2006/02/eyes-wide-open-for-mini-smokeys-cameo.html
I just rewatched the first hour, and think that we shouldn't be LOOKING for something so much as LISTENING to something.

The sounds that the Losties hear coming from the jungle sounds almost identical to the sounds they heard as the plane began its decent and crash...

If this whole thing is either a VR world, or perhaps a "staged" and "faked" incident (a la "The Game"), maybe this sound is being played a little too loudly for another staged crash going on?
Does anyone know what happened to the co-pilot. does he fall from behind the cockpit door or from the toilet?

Seems strange that he wasn't in his seat:confused: All of these things have been mentioned, if not elaborated on in great detail at the Fuselage.

How would TPTB know that something has been missed completely, maybe it's been found and TPTB never bothered to say "Oh, you guys found it." :biggrin: There are an awful lot of things that have been brought up on this board not to mention all the other LOST sites that exist.

Thoughts on the actual wreckage being clues. Something that hit me last night talking to a friend about it, not much else has been made about the tide rapidly coming in (forget exact episode) and pulling the fuselage into the ocean. We also know there is a cord running from the island into the ocean (or other way). Did the people in charge of the island/experiment (read: Dharma/Hanso) need to get rid of evidence that plane was brought down? Thus they sunk the island a bit?

They are maybe talking about the smoke thing flying into the enging and the engine exploding just at that exact moment.

not much else has been made about the tide rapidly coming in (forget exact episode) and pulling the fuselage into the ocean
I once heard, and this may be incorrect, that this was necessary for production reasons; they could not keep the plane's fuselage on the beach indefinitely.

I once heard, and this may be incorrect, that this was necessary for production reasons; they could not keep the plane's fuselage on the beach indefinitely

Oh, I'm sure that was the actual reason, but I assume TPTB would find a way to work that into the storyline also, into the mythos of the island itself. Just curious about it.

They are maybe talking about the smoke thing flying into the enging and the engine exploding just at that exact moment.That was not missed and discussed for a really long time, video, slow motion video, nope not missed.

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/lostturbineenhanced.gif

Whatever the clue was, and I agree there must have been many clues in the pilot, I don't think we'll know until this wednesday. With the finale airing and the promise of:us finding out why the plane crashed, I assume a lot of loose ends will be tied up. I believe that TPTB had a clear series plan in their heads when they began, and most of the knowledge we now hold about the island's mythology would have sounded crazy to any fan last season. In light of that, i think any placed "clues" in the pilot won't make sense until we know more about that mythology-specifically what is stated in my spoiler font. All the more exciting to know we'll find out this WEEK! .....lets place bets....

Whatever the clue was, and I agree there must have been many clues in the pilot, I don't think we'll know until this wednesday. With the finale airing and the promise of:us finding out why the plane crashed, I assume a lot of loose ends will be tied up. I believe that TPTB had a clear series plan in their heads when they began, and most of the knowledge we now hold about the island's mythology would have sounded crazy to any fan last season. In light of that, i think any placed "clues" in the pilot won't make sense until we know more about that mythology-specifically what is stated in my spoiler font. All the more exciting to know we'll find out this WEEK! .....lets place bets....

I bet TPTB love us, we certainly give them lots of ideas on how to cover up some earlier mistakes.

They are maybe talking about the smoke thing flying into the enging and the engine exploding just at that exact moment.
Hah! I wish. That theory was allegedly debunked ages ago by TPTB (I've yet to see proof), but I still believe to this day that there was more flying around that wreckage than debris.

I think there was a huge clue missing and its actually pretty simple. WHY IS NOBODY IN THEIR SEAT? I watched the first episode and kept thinking, why was jack so far from everybody else? then i thought why isn't he in his chair? then i came to relize that not a single person woke up in their chair. No way that everysingle person on the plane broke through their seat belt and managed to land nowhere near their seat. I'm guessing this is the big clue we missed that results in proving that the plane dind't really crash and it was staged. Any arguements?

lost memories.

Perhaps it could be Hurley's line "You know technically we don't even know if we're on an Island..."

The disaster virus from Andromeda Strain (http://sqn.com/andromst.html) took down the plane... well if we're guessing.
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...or a magnetic superconductor (http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node107.html) levitated the plane down ? (Sorry, can't help myself... speculating in the last "moments" before we get some of the answers ?)
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... sorry for the random speculation, but what if the plane never left the airport ? Did we see it taxi down the field ?

I think there was a huge clue missing and its actually pretty simple. WHY IS NOBODY IN THEIR SEAT? I watched the first episode and kept thinking, why was jack so far from everybody else? then i thought why isn't he in his chair? then i came to relize that not a single person woke up in their chair. No way that everysingle person on the plane broke through their seat belt and managed to land nowhere near their seat. I'm guessing this is the big clue we missed that results in proving that the plane dind't really crash and it was staged. Any arguements? I think we addressed the no seatbelt thing. We never see anybody in the plane after the crash. There are people in seats in the cockpit, no seatbelts on. There are 20 passengers still in the fuselage when they burn it. We see one hand hanging down when Jack enters the fuselage.

Maybe the mystery will be answered tonight. Maybe not.

There are people in seats in the cockpit, no seatbelts on. There are 20 passengers still in the fuselage when they burn it. We see one hand hanging down when Jack enters the fuselage.
Really? None of the people in the cockpit have seatbelts on??? Wow. Hard to explain that.

I can suspend disbelief regarding the survivors from the fuselage. That first scene starts several moments after the crash, so in theory everyone had already exited the wreckage (or had been thrown from it).

Really? None of the people in the cockpit have seatbelts on??? Wow. Hard to explain that.

I can suspend disbelief regarding the survivors from the fuselage. That first scene starts several moments after the crash, so in theory everyone had already exited the wreckage (or had been thrown from it).
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=520
Neither did the pilot. He didn't unbuckle before he got up.

I asked (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50615) Gregg Nations about this rumor, and here is his reply:

Not that I'm aware of. Maybe people are confusing things that have been set up but not dealt with yet (like the polar bears), but that's all I can think of.

You want to know what we missed from the pilot episode. Flight 815 crashes. From 30 to 40k feet up in the air. A crash that should have reduced everyone, water or land landing. Into a fine paste. People survive. People survive from the middle of the plane, people survive from the tail section of the plane.

Why was the pilot the only survivor from the front of the plane? Are you telling me that that there were surivivors from 2 sections, but not the front of the plane.

The clue we missed is this. There were survivors from the front of the plane...They were either all taken or killed by the Others. Or were taken or killed by the monster. Or how about this. The Others were the people in the front of the plane.... Anyways, something is up with the front of the plane that we missed....

I think the clue is the bright light in the upperright part of the screen in the first few frames of the pilot, just before parts of the plane start raining down from the sky. It only lasts for a second or two I think it may foreshadow the electro-magnetic activity that we hear about and witness later on. I refer all to Keeval's post in the General Theory forum. He deals very coherently with the electro-magnetic phenomena on the Island.

Good hunting.

Did we ever get confirmation on whether the "Wraiths" are fake or not?

Its such a small and fast movement, but its definetly something, when slowed down there is clearly a shadowy misty thing flying in front of the screen on the crash site, and on the plane as it is crashing.

I remember seeing the animated Gifs with them on, but those could have been faked, does anyone know for sure?

Those Gifs came out long before we knew that the monster looked like a Smokey black Wraithlike appartion.


-Exodus

There was no definitive answer either way (personally, I believe in the wraiths), but the missing clue in the pilot is an urban legend debunked by Gregg Nations last week. This thread should be closed or moved to past theories.

The wraiths are as real as the whispers! There are about 10 of them that appear in the first 7 minutes of the pilot, from approximately 2:36 forward

I keep thinking something simple. Jacko has scrathces on his face that look just like the one's on Ethan's face and the one's on Danielle's arms. I believe 3 scratches on each.

The wraiths are as real as the whispers! There are about 10 of them that appear in the first 7 minutes of the pilot, from approximately 2:36 forward

My money is on those then. If this quote is even real to begin with ofcourse.

If the wraiths are there that means SOMEONE got paid (propably alot) to put them there.

Sure they look like half finished CGI made by carltons grandmother on his laptop, but they where never meant for the larger audience, just us creepy Lost-fanatics.


-Exodus

Again, I agree on the wraiths, but our missing something from the pilot has been debunked by Gregg Nations (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50615). To his knowledge there is nothing in the pilot we have missed.

What about Javi's quotes?

the monster does not appear anywhere in the pilot or in the other 48 days as a manifestation of black smoke

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32133

the explosion of the engine was caused by a guy getting sucked up into the works, not the smoke monster. whatever it is that people see on the freeze frame - it is NOT the black smoke monster

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31254

Thank you for finding those quotes. I'm bookmarking this because I KNOW this (and the black wraith things) will come up and again and again.

Gregg Nations - "Not that I'm aware of. Maybe people are confusing things that have been set up but not dealt with yet (like the polar bears), but that's all I can think of."

Im sorry but THAT quote is inconclusive.
What if he doesnt know what specifically Carlton or Damon was reffering to?
He could be erring on the side of caution.

Ofcourse after all this time ud think SOMEONE would have found the quote by now, but still...


-Exodus
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What about Javi's quotes?



http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=32133



http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=31254
Ok im sorry for being argumentative here.

Even thou im 50% sure this IS in fact an urban legend, i have to say there is nothing conclusive about those quotes either.

Bear in mind that we dont know the nature of the smoke monster.

And so its hard to say what is and what isnt Smokey, spesially since he doesnt say "..or anything similar"

In fact he spesifically refers to "the monster" and only the monster, there is no outright denial that there IS in fact Black shapes with a purpose flying around.

-Exodus

If I owned the DVDs of the first season, I'd check it again, but has anyone who owns the DVDs checked the special features to see if JJ DOES in fact say something regarding this 'missed item'???

Ok im sorry for being argumentative here.

Even thou im 50% sure this IS in fact an urban legend, i have to say there is nothing conclusive about those quotes either.

Bear in mind that we dont know the nature of the smoke monster.

And so its hard to say what is and what isnt Smokey, spesially since he doesnt say "..or anything similar"

In fact he spesifically refers to "the monster" and only the monster, there is no outright denial that there IS in fact Black shapes with a purpose flying around.

-Exodus

Even when he calls it "the black smoke monster"?

It's conclusive enough for me, The Black Smoke is The Monster and...

the monster does not appear anywhere in the pilot or in the other 48 days as a manifestation of black smoke

...that's not to say that the Black Smoke is'nt in there as a manifestation of something else, but whatever those things are people see in the freeze frames it is not the Black Smoke...

He does'nt deny that there are things flying around, Javi allways leaves some room for interpretation...

If in doubt, ask Gregg Nations, he will answer...

:cool:

I would have to say that the wraiths are real, they are easier to find than the whispers, and we all know that the whispers are real. There are alot of great finds in this thread. Never knew about the dead guys in the cockpit not having their seatbelts on. That is huge! I see someone else finally saw that weird saran wrapped whatever in the first class seats that the camera definitely lingers on twice as kate and charlie climb up the aisle of the cockpit. Speaking of charlie, just how did he get to the beach? He was strapping himself into first class about two seats back from the cockpit last time I saw him before the crash. And how did Bernard get in that seat? He was in the toilet in the tail when it fell off.

Even when he calls it "the black smoke monster"?

It's conclusive enough for me, The Black Smoke is The Monster and...



Exactly, THE black smoke monster, which really says nothing about the wraiths, except that they are not the monster...

So my point was, using THAT quote in this particular discussion, doesnt really settle or even point to anything.

-Exodus

Javi also said...

the explosion of the engine was caused by a guy getting sucked up into the works

So what are the wraiths?

In the clip it looks like the wraith swoops down and makes the engine explode, but I think it just looks that way, we've not seen it since in the 40+ hours of LOST we've had, but you can never count anything out...

Personally I don't think it's anything important, the only thing it could be is another type of monster, which is kinda hard to accept...

If it's true it's true, there's definitely something there, but it did'nt blow up the engine

Richardstone, yes -- that thing is one of the supposed wraiths, but if you watch that entire sequence in slo mo frame-by-frame you will see many, many more that do not behave as the rest of the debris.

Richardstone, yes -- that thing is one of the supposed wraiths, but if you watch that entire sequence in slo mo frame-by-frame you will see many, many more that do not behave as the rest of the debris.

Oh I know, I've seen most of them I think, I just have no idea what they are or if they are important in anyway...

We know they're not part of the black smoke monster and I'm a little uneasy with the prospect of other monsters on the island, one is more than enough surely?

:biggrin:

the wraith that everyone has seen fly through the engine in my opinion definitely did not cause the explosion. I think they are either attracted to the heat of the explosions (like moths) or they are flying recon to see who survived. If you watch frame be frame in slo-mo from just when jack, hurley, and claire sprint from out from under the falling wing, in the upper left corner of the frame you will see a formation of five wraiths appear flying out of the clouds, and they swoop down wnd fly right through the fireball of the explosion. I definitely think it is a combination of the two. I think they are just different manifestations of smokey, flying smokies.

Who is richardstone?

-Exodus

Who is richardstone?

-Exodus

I'm one of the good guys...

I could ask you the same question Exodus (you can probably guess my name)?

What are you inferring?

:cool:

I don't have anything to say about "Smoky", but...

Speaking of charlie, just how did he get to the beach? He was strapping himself into first class about two seats back from the cockpit last time I saw him before the crash. And how did Bernard get in that seat? He was in the toilet in the tail when it fell off.

I like the threory that there never really was a plane crash. The whole crash site and the positions of everyone were all staged by either the Others or Dharma workers. The Losties have all been brainwashed into believing that they were in a plane crash. The flashbacks of them all in the plane are just figments of their imaginations - none of that ever happened.

Excellent AZJeepDude has asked Gregg Nations about the "wraiths"...

Don't leave him any room for ambiguos answers AZ, I can't help but think he'll say something like...

"I don't know, maybe it's the smoke monster"

Which of course we know through Javi that it's not...

But it's definitely something....

We'll see. Hopefully he'll answer definitively...

hi, im totally new to this whole thread business so dont chastise me if this has been mentioned. now i dont have the best ear, but i think in part 2 of the pilot when we see charlie on the plane, i think he is using morse code. he taps on the armrest of his chair and it sounds like it could be code. now i dont know if its charlie doing it on purpose or coincidentally, but if anyone out there is good at that sort of thing please take another listen. maybe its not what we "see" but what we "hear"

Welcome Sherf. I know that has been discussed on the boards before... maybe do a search on "charlie morse ring". Good luck!

sorry, who is gregg nations?

sorry, who is gregg nations?

He's one of the VIP's on this board that is kind enough to answer our questions, oh and he happens to be the script supervisor on the Lost Production team :)

I don't have anything to say about "Smoky", but...



I like the threory that there never really was a plane crash. The whole crash site and the positions of everyone were all staged by either the Others or Dharma workers. The Losties have all been brainwashed into believing that they were in a plane crash. The flashbacks of them all in the plane are just figments of their imaginations - none of that ever happened.

I haven't liked this theory from the first time I heard it, but the evidence is really stacking up for me that the whole crash was staged. It just seems that all the survivors find themselves on the beach or in the ocean in the case of the tailies. Those that remained within the structure of the aircraft, strapped to their seats all died...Seems counter-intuitive to me, stay in the plane somewhat protected, you die. Get thrown out of the plane and fall god knows how far, that is if he could see the island, and you survive. Hmm

Damon said in an interview that the plane crash was real.

We need a single thread about everything the creative team has said in answer to these kinds of questions because they keep popping up all the time. That way we could link to it and we could move on and not waste our time on theories that have been disproven. There is no way for the newer fans to know this kind of thing. Some kind of 'creative team answers FAQ' would be nice. :D

I am new to the forum and I have read a fair amount of this thread but not every page. I just watched part one of the pilot this morning. I'll watch part two later.

What about the rain seemingly turning on and off instantly. I know that can happen naturally but for the sake of discussion/the show what is the deal?

I'm sure that has been talked about here. Was there a resolution?

Then there is the fact that the monster is seemingly huge during the cockpit scene. It eclipses the window before grabbing the pilot. It is pretty strange that the monster made so many appearences in the first day or so of the Island term but not really at all since.

I remember thinking while watching the first season that it was to deter the losties from going into the jungle. Maybe they just gave up on that.

I am new to the forum and I have read a fair amount of this thread but not every page. I just watched part one of the pilot this morning. I'll watch part two later.

What about the rain seemingly turning on and off instantly. I know that can happen naturally but for the sake of discussion/the show what is the deal?

I'm sure that has been talked about here. Was there a resolution?

What episode have you seen up to cleantone, the answer may be a spoiler?

Oh sorry. I am current. That is why I'm new here. I got to see all of season one on DVD, most of season 2 from downloads and the last 4-5 episodes were the only ones I had to watch with commercials and whatnot. So don't hesitate. I'm fairly familiar with most everything. I listened to a bunch of podcasts but have only recently look at the message boards. Thanks for asking.

OK cool

Well, on the blast door map in Lockdown there were references to a Wheather Project and Meteorological Research...

Basically Dharma can screw with the wheather, or they're trying to...

We've not seen anything about it other than that, though no doubt we will at some stage in the future...

ETA:- Here's an enhanced picture, the Wheather Project and Meteorological Research are mentioned on the right hand side, at 1 and 3 o'clock

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/Richardstone/blastdoormap.jpg

Hope that helps...

:smile:

Thanks.

I wonder then if this is something, or part of what was supposedly missed or overlooked from the pilot eps?

I too assume we will be seeing more of this. Probably this upcoming season.

In one of the ABC podcasts they said that some of the blast door translations were incorrect. I wonderif they meant this one you linked (whihc I haven't seen) or the one in color (which I have seen)? Either way I'm sure a lot of the translations are close enough.

Thanks.

Oh and while watching this today I looked at that first scene. There definitly seems to be a black metal item as well as possibly a yellowish cylander next to Jack. No idea what this means or if it will ever be on importance of course.

THAT IS MR FRIENDLY. THAT is what he looks like without his beard. I dont care if he's not listed in the credits (that could be intentional)...but that is definitely him. Look how undamaged he looks too...

I'm not saying that it definitly isn't. In the picture you linked to there, the one on the bottom right is for refference right? That is NOT from the pilot. At least I think. I'm not so sure that he is supposed to be Mr. Friendly in the pilot. There are a bunch of "extras" that are in those scenes that we never (as of now) have met.

Yeah, I just realized that clear photo was from Maternity Leave...sorry for the confusion.

To be honest, they have said that they barely had the pilot episode completely written at the time they were shooting, isnt that correct? If it is, why should we assume they would have any way of putting any kind of easter egg that would suggest something that was going to happen later in the series?


Oh and while watching this today I looked at that first scene. There definitly seems to be a black metal item as well as possibly a yellowish cylander next to Jack. No idea what this means or if it will ever be on importance of course.



I'm not saying that it definitly isn't. In the picture you linked to there, the one on the bottom right is for refference right? That is NOT from the pilot. At least I think. I'm not so sure that he is supposed to be Mr. Friendly in the pilot. There are a bunch of "extras" that are in those scenes that we never (as of now) have met.

To be honest, they have said that they barely had the pilot episode completely written at the time they were shooting, isnt that correct? If it is, why should we assume they would have any way of putting any kind of easter egg that would suggest something that was going to happen later in the series?

We shouldn't really. Did we confirm that it was said in a podcast that "we" missed something in the pilot? If so I think it might be the weather. But of course it could be lots of things. Since they were sort of developing the story as they went I find it a little hard to believe there is anything extremely subtle. They already said they didn't know what the monster would look like so they let the sound designers "have at it". The rain turning on and off instantly and the dialog pointing that out seems pretty likely to me.

Boone has an Apollo Bar in Pilot, that's a candidate too although I would'nt call that a BIG clue...

I honestly can't remember where I originally read about us having missed some clue in the Pilot?

Damon said in an interview that the plane crash was real.

We need a single thread about everything the creative team has said in answer to these kinds of questions because they keep popping up all the time. That way we could link to it and we could move on and not waste our time on theories that have been disproven. There is no way for the newer fans to know this kind of thing. Some kind of 'creative team answers FAQ' would be nice. :D

Well I am not a new fan and I didn't know this, thanks for the info, just trying to make sense of it all:) So with this info I am going to go out on a limb here and say that someone had checked out all the people that landed in the cockpit section before charlie, jack, and kate got there. How else to explain all the seat belts being unbuckled?

A single thread of all declerations made by the creative team would be awesome!!

Damon said in an interview that the plane crash was real.

We need a single thread about everything the creative team has said in answer to these kinds of questions because they keep popping up all the time. That way we could link to it and we could move on and not waste our time on theories that have been disproven. There is no way for the newer fans to know this kind of thing. Some kind of 'creative team answers FAQ' would be nice. :D

This is a really good idea! If we had a thread that showed the answers and links to the articles, posts or podcasts it would really help people keep track of what has and hasn't been said. Hmm now who would be good at doing this.....

Sounds like your posse has that covered penyours... Thanks for the info on Gregg Nations. ;)

This is a really good idea! If we had a thread that showed the answers and links to the articles, posts or podcasts it would really help people keep track of what has and hasn't been said. Hmm now who would be good at doing this.....

I'm up for helping in the information gathering, it should'nt be too hard, and unlike LostPedia people won't be able to fill it up with crap...

It might be a good project to for some fans to take on over the summer to keep them busy and like Richardstone said..it shouldn't be that hard. Most of the VIPs statemenst are on this board somewhere. Its just a matter of finding them and putting them all together in one place..that is if the mods don't mind but I would think anything that would make their job easier would be welcome. It could be a 'sticky' thread.

Damon said in an interview that the plane crash was real.

We need a single thread about everything the creative team has said in answer to these kinds of questions because they keep popping up all the time. That way we could link to it and we could move on and not waste our time on theories that have been disproven. There is no way for the newer fans to know this kind of thing. Some kind of 'creative team answers FAQ' would be nice. :D I have a bunch of the Quotes from TPTB in the LOST Library.:biggrin:

Of course! (slaps self) .

I can't believe I don't have that bookmarked. I'm going off to do that now.

I guess I'll Start it and put it in LOST Talk. I'll link back and when we find new ones I'll put them in the 1st Post. Be back.
What they said TPTB (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1037591#post1037591) I know there's more out there but this is a start.

:biggrin: Gregg Nations responds to AZJeepDude's question about the wraith debate. (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1041009#post1041009)

:biggrin: Gregg Nations responds to AZJeepDude's question about the wraith debate. (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1041009#post1041009)
This was the first sentence in Gregg's response:This sounds like a great dispute. Why would I want to settle it?
Man, you gotta love that creative team -- they'd make for great politicians! :biggrin:

Seriously, I was hoping we'd get a more definitive answer. On the one hand, like he said it's really great that we can theorize (and I love a show that makes me think). On the other, this particular debate has been going on for almost two years. I've caught a lot of flack for believing in the wraiths and other weird stuff in the Pilot (so have some other fans); his response didn't really prove me right, but it at least didn't prove me wrong, either.

I think I'm going to start a group for believers and call it W.R.A.I.T.H.S. or something clever :)

Did we miss the fact that the plane's engine is running, stand alone on the ground, after the crash? How was that possible? Was it being propelled by the electromagnetism of the island? Would it have kept going forever if the Turbine Man had not gotten sucked in and exploded it? It certainly had no power source at the time.

Did we miss the fact that the plane's engine is running, stand alone on the ground, after the crash? How was that possible? Was it being propelled by the electromagnetism of the island? Would it have kept going forever if the Turbine Man had not gotten sucked in and exploded it? It certainly had no power source at the time. Nope didn't forget that one.

Ok, I have a new insight. Recently I bought the DVD of the first season. Yesterday I was listening to the writer's commentary while watching the pilot. In one shot, they show Jack's tattoo. ( In fact, it is the actor's tattoo and they decided NOT to cover it with make-up. You can just imagine the difficulties in the heat and sweat.)
Anyway, they said in the voice-over that the tattoos will "open up a whole new plot-line". That hasnt happened as yet. As a matter of fact, we now only know that he got them in Phuket but there hasnt been any follow up flashback.
I always thought Jack had some military background. He also says-in the pilot- that he knows about transponders on aircraft because he had flown a helicopter. Or he took a flying course. That, coupled with his medical education suggests he worked as a military doctor at some point in his past. Battlefield medicine maybe.
In any case, this could be where this rumor started.

Ok, I have a new insight. Recently I bought the DVD of the first season. Yesterday I was listening to the writer's commentary while watching the pilot. In one shot, they show Jack's tattoo. ( In fact, it is the actor's tattoo and they decided NOT to cover it with make-up. You can just imagine the difficulties in the heat and sweat.)
Anyway, they said in the voice-over that the tattoos will "open up a whole new plot-line". That hasnt happened as yet. As a matter of fact, we now only know that he got them in Phuket but there hasnt been any follow up flashback.
I always thought Jack had some military background. He also says-in the pilot- that he knows about transponders on aircraft because he had flown a helicopter. Or he took a flying course. That, coupled with his medical education suggests he worked as a military doctor at some point in his past. Battlefield medicine maybe.
In any case, this could be where this rumor started.S1E1 Jack: Took a couple flying lessons, wasn't for me.