From the very first words he spoke, Gale reminded me of someone and I finally figured it out. Keyser Soze from The Ususal Suspects. Not only does he look like Kevin Spacey, but he speaks like Soze/Kint. Every word is calculated, every look a manipulation. This dude is evil.

Not exactly subtle though is he?

I can't believe for a second that Locke would let such a blatantly manipulative comment get to him at the end of the previous episode.

I am definitely feeling the Soze link!! He is obviously an other, but I don;t think there will be an ambush. The Others can nab or kill anyone they want at pretty much anytime. I think he is just trying to build a divide and gain a little trust. The others know the entire island, so he knows the balloon is there, There maybe a grave somewhere, but its not his wifes....possibly one of the losties bodies??? I think he is one untrusting slimy bast ard

I don't get why they think this will prove anything. Even if there is a balloon there who is to say it's his, and even if it's his who is to say that he didn't join the others?

The thing that really did it for me was that comment about Locke letting Jack tell him what to do in the previous episode. This quote from Usual suspects keeps popping into my mind: "That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Seems like the same kind of manipulation but in reverse. The power of the others is in their 'cover'. If you make the Losties think the Others are powerful and dangerous, they will be.

The character of Henry is pure genius. Cold, calculating and manipulative. This man may/may not be an Other, that remains to be seen, but he sure knows what he's doing/saying. He scares me.

But that comment was so obviously a manipulative tactic, nothing clever or subtle in it, as I said before I can't believe someone like Locke wouldn't see it for what it was.

Who wants to bet that as Locke is listening to an album next week Henry tells him that he used to be in a barber shop quartet in Skokie Illinois?

Sayid pretty much provided me all I needed to know about Henry's otherness (I think he is obviously). Then he uses the "these people you seem to think are your enemies" line. Why would he say it that way? then the trap and trade scenario. My theory is that their won't be an ambush, and he will use that to gain support that he isn't an other. He's hella smart and obviously playing the losties of each other to an expert degree. I hope Sayid wails on him some more.

I have always been on the side of Henry as Other. But here's what doesn't make sense.

He's been locked in a room for the past few days. If his (really well delivered) threat is true, how would the other others know about his plan and be there for the ambush? Unless he sent them to a place across "the line" and he generally knew that they would nab anyone who did that. Or if there is another mole in the group that is communicating for him?

Thoughts?

This is a great twist to the show in my opinion ! Brilliant !

I think he sent them across "the line", maybe there will be no ambush, but could this be a signal to the others that things are going according to plan?

Either way, the last three minutes of the show were pure gold - Henry's speech & the previews for the next (next week, hopefully!) ep. That salvaged the whole ep for me!

There is always the possibility that Henry WANTED to be captured by the Losties. If that is the case, then I don't believe there is anything that he isn't capable of having planned out.

What about this remote viewing and all the whispers? Maybe the group that HG belongs too is watching? If they are and HG knows this then he would be able to send them to a trap. NOT THAT I BELIEVE THIS. Just playing devil's advocate.

One question I had was how did HG know that several Losties went to find the balloon? Didn't he say during his "trap and trade" scenerio that he sent their "friends"? I thought he used the plural sense. I find that hard to believe that he would know.

i figured he said that because
a) if someone asks for a map, and you give it to them, they want to go there
b) you dont want to go anywhere on this island by yourself...

I don't think there's any reason to believe that the Others (or someone else) aren't listening to/watching everything that goes on in the hatch. (I'm actually surprised none of the Losties are worried about this)

Especially from next week's previews...

I continue to be divided on HG's othernicity.

Let's go back to when he's in Danielle's net. The second thing he says is "Let me down...she's crazy!" Now, we don't know what kind of dialog HG and Danielle had the entire night before to aid in that assessment, but that doesn't even matter. What matters is the fact that he uses this information instantly in an attempt to side with Sayid. How the hell does HG know that Sayid will know she's crazy, and what type of reaction that comment will have with Sayid? He knows Danielle is crazy and that Sayid knows it because he/they have knowledge about everyone on the island. An entirely different topic is why the Others have let Danielle exist on the island for 16 years, but that's for another thread.

Now, we're in the hatch with HG and the losties. I don't view his demeanor and comments as manipulative in a fashion that would aid in his release. In fact, his comments in TWT appear to be an attempt to awake Jack and Locke from their apparent fueding and differences. In other words, he's helping them! Think about it, nothing he's said thus far has been smooth talk or threats having anything to do with LET ME OUT. He simply points out that "you guys don't ask many questions" and "you guys have some serious trust issues".

As far as the map/balloon/ambush scenario, I'm really not sure which way he's going with that. There is nothing wrong with him describing a scenario on how he COULD HAVE sent them to an ambush. Again tho, it doesn't prove anything if they find a balloon since anyone on the island who's seen that balloon could describe it's location and overall dimensions.

One other thing that leans me towards "not other" status for HG, is the simple fact that his character has been designed to "look" like an other. And we all know by now, nothing is what it seems on this show.

could "Adam & Eve" from cave be the true balloonists ?

Oh God, he is totally just trying to turn everyone against each other, and he already succeeded with Locke and Jack.... He is an other. So what if they find the balloon? Who knows how long "the others" have been on the island. He could have seen the balloon there before and planned the whole story before he went there to spy.....

could "Adam & Eve" from cave be the true balloonists ?

I've been wondering about that too. :unsure: But, if Adam and Eve were from 50 years ago, could a balloon last that long, wouldn't it rot away in 50 years? Also, I'm not sure it would be a big smiley face balloon if it was 50 years old. OK, I guess as I'm writting this I'm thinking no, but I was thinking yes till I started to think about it a little more.

Henry reminds me of those guys at airports and train stations that come up to you and say "I hate to ask this, but I got on the wrong train, and my wallet was lost with my bags...can you spot me the money for a return ticket, and I'll pay you back..."

Other!

I have always been on the side of Henry as Other. But here's what doesn't make sense.

He's been locked in a room for the past few days. If his (really well delivered) threat is true, how would the other others know about his plan and be there for the ambush? Unless he sent them to a place across "the line" and he generally knew that they would nab anyone who did that. Or if there is another mole in the group that is communicating for him?

Thoughts?

The trap, if there is indeed one, could have easily been set by HG and his cronies well before he was "kidnapped." After all, it's only been three island days since he's been in captivity and part of his plan could have been to not give up the "location" of the balloon until he had been there two or three days. That way he wouldn't have his folks hanging out in the jungle just waiting on one or more Losties who might not show up for a day or so.

I have an inkling that perhaps "Henry" wanted to be caught. He's there with the Losties for a reason, and the more he manipulates him, the clearer it becomes. I love watching this character. He's delightfully manipulative, and is playing them all, and it makes for great watching.

I don't get why they think this will prove anything. Even if there is a balloon there who is to say it's his, and even if it's his who is to say that he didn't join the others?


THANK YOU! This has been irking my last nerve since the whole topic started. If he's an other, of course he knows there's a balloon there. It proves absolutely nothing.
This guy is so shady and I'm not talking about his current complexion.

The trap, if there is indeed one, could have easily been set by HG and his cronies well before he was "kidnapped." After all, it's only been three island days since he's been in captivity and part of his plan could have been to not give up the "location" of the balloon until he had been there two or three days. That way he wouldn't have his folks hanging out in the jungle just waiting on one or more Losties who might not show up for a day or so.

Exactly what I was thinking! This guy is NOT dumb and the more he talks, the more I believe he's an other - either an other or just and SOB. And I would NOT be acting like that last speech he gave with the cereal and all if I wasn't an other (or just a jerk).

As far a Soze is concerned, I definitley see the connection. He's giving them just enough info to keep them hooked, but not enough to blow the whole thing. I've not read The Brothers Karamasov, so I don't know if he's pulling anything out of there like Soze did in the interrogation in the movie ... Anyone know?

Havent read all posts on this thread, but in response to the question 'how would the others know where to go and be there for the ambush'?

I'm pretty convinced that the Others are both WATCHING everything on the island (don't ask me how though!) and also CONTROLLING everything on the island... (right down to rain and tides).. don't want to go off topic though so will leave it at that! :biggrin:

Exactly what I was thinking! This guy is NOT dumb and the more he talks, the more I believe he's an other - either an other or just and SOB. And I would NOT be acting like that last speech he gave with the cereal and all if I wasn't an other (or just a jerk).

As far a Soze is concerned, I definitley see the connection. He's giving them just enough info to keep them hooked, but not enough to blow the whole thing. I've not read The Brothers Karamasov, so I don't know if he's pulling anything out of there like Soze did in the interrogation in the movie ... Anyone know?

I think Soze was an even BETTER actor than this guy, and I don't mean the actor playing Henry, I mean the act Henry is putting on. Soze was Verbal and Verbal was Soze. This guy isn't even trying that hard to keep his othernesss a secret. I think the line "these people you seem to think are your enemies" is very telling.