Sun was not supposed to be on the plane. She was supposed to meet someone at the airport and leave Jin. The woman she was talking to about this (I think) was trying to keep Sun off the plane, and Sun's presence on the island is going to reap some unforeseen consequences.

I don't really know what you're getting at with this.

You're right, Sun wasn't supposed to be on the plane. But really, neither was Locke (he was supposed to go on his Walkabout), Sayid would have been on a different flight (if he weren't such a great guy and wanted to do the honourable thing with his friend), Claire (was far too late in her pregnancy to be flying), Charlie's brother was supposed to be on the flight, or at least he was according to Charlie. It also wasn't Sawyer's choice to go on the plane, he was forced to by the Australian authorities.

I definitely think it's a pattern on the show that people were on the plane just by 'chance' but that there's more to it than that.

Would Jin have been on the plane if it wasn't for Sun?

Jin said in S1 that he's being punished, and he's sorry for what he's done. But isn't it (although still indirectly) Sun that's to blame for them being on the plane? Perhaps they're being punished for what she did.

Of course Sun was supposed to be on the plane! Everything happens for a reason...

Sun was not supposed to be on the plane. She was supposed to meet someone at the airport and leave Jin. The woman she was talking to about this (I think) was trying to keep Sun off the plane, and Sun's presence on the island is going to reap some unforeseen consequences.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but maybe, Mr. Paik, like Claire's psychic, knew about the plane and that it was supposed to end up on a mysterious island. Perhaps the woman Sun was talking to was in league with Mr. Paik and was trying to convince her to leave Jin at the airport so that Jin would end up on the island, but not Sun. We don't know much about Mr. Paik, but we can assume that he's a stern man based on Sun and Jin's anxiety about what his response might be to their engagement. They were surprised to learn that he gave consent to their marriage plans. They found it strange that he would give consent so easily considering Jin was not Sun's equal in Korean society(that sounds awful). What I'm getting at is this: Mr. Paik doesn't care very much for Jin. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Paik wanted to separate them and plan an elaborate scheme to make that happen. Um, yeah, and his plan didn't work.

Ok wasn't Sun supposed to flee from the aiport before ever getting on the plane? All of the comments/discussion that I've read so far has been with the assumption that Sun was supposed to be there to begin with. If you remember correctly, Sun was supposed to leave the airport at 11:15 and escape from Jin.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but maybe, Mr. Paik, like Claire's psychic, knew about the plane and that it was supposed to end up on a mysterious island. Perhaps the woman Sun was talking to was in league with Mr. Paik and was trying to convince her to leave Jin at the airport so that Jin would end up on the island, but not Sun. We don't know much about Mr. Paik, but we can assume that he's a stern man based on Sun and Jin's anxiety about what his response might be to their engagement. They were surprised to learn that he gave consent to their marriage plans. They found it strange that he would give consent so easily considering Jin was not Sun's equal in Korean society(that sounds awful). What I'm getting at is this: Mr. Paik doesn't care very much for Jin. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Paik wanted to separate them and plan an elaborate scheme to make that happen. Um, yeah, and his plan didn't work.

I totally agree.

Sun is the only one of the survivors who made it on the plane on her on volition.
Everyone else had obstacles (Locke bc he couldn't go one that survival trip, Hurley bc he was running late, Jack bc of his father, Boone & Shannon bc they couldn't get upgraded seats, Kate bc she was with the Marshall..et al).

The only linving creature (outside of the Tailies, whom we don't know much about at this point, besides Sun was Vincest who made a choice independent of outside obstacles.

Sun's only reason for boarding that plan was Jin pulling out the flower...something that could not have been pre-planned.

Interesting point. And it was Sun's love for Jin, which she was reminded of when he gave her that flower, that moved her to get on the plane and abandon her plans to leave him. I wonder if this will be addressed at some point down the line.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=41565

Would Jin have been on the plane if it wasn't for Sun?

Jin said in S1 that he's being punished, and he's sorry for what he's done. But isn't it (although still indirectly) Sun that's to blame for them being on the plane? Perhaps they're being punished for what she did.


I wouldn't say its really Sun to blame.

Jin was delivering watches to Sydney and Los Angeles, and Sun was accompaning him. They would have gotten on the plane anyway and it wouldn't have been Sun's fault.

But you could say if Sun had left Jin they both wouldn't have got the plane.

I'm not much for conspiracy theories, but maybe, Mr. Paik, like Claire's psychic, knew about the plane and that it was supposed to end up on a mysterious island. Perhaps the woman Sun was talking to was in league with Mr. Paik and was trying to convince her to leave Jin at the airport so that Jin would end up on the island, but not Sun. We don't know much about Mr. Paik, but we can assume that he's a stern man based on Sun and Jin's anxiety about what his response might be to their engagement. They were surprised to learn that he gave consent to their marriage plans. They found it strange that he would give consent so easily considering Jin was not Sun's equal in Korean society(that sounds awful). What I'm getting at is this: Mr. Paik doesn't care very much for Jin. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Paik wanted to separate them and plan an elaborate scheme to make that happen. Um, yeah, and his plan didn't work.

Oh, as far as conspiracy theories go, that actually sounds somewhat plausible. And I'm not a big fan of conspiracies either. However, it is rather... too elaborate for my tastes. Mr. Paik sounds like the kind of man who would have no problem making one of his underlings disappear. I don't think he'd have to resort to something as complicated and random as a planned plane crash to get rid of an unwanted son in law. But I guess you never know with this show. :)