Wow. It's like Christmas.
So, we learned or can infer the following:

It IS a church.
Bernard and Rose ARE NOT Dharma plants.
Jin IS the father.
Michael IS alive.
Locke no longer believes the numbers must be entered.
Jack likes kissing Kate.

Holy moly.

Add to list: they are NEVER leaving

lol.. jin is the father?

Also that the island has healing properties believed by more and proved by more than one, but now two people. No make that three, Bernard believes Rose, as he should.

eta: It's a fact that NotHenry is still evil and not just misunderstood. The sinister look on his face when Locke was trying to get him to talk to him and tell him whether or not he pushed the gosh derned button! Evil

Sure, we can infer that Jin IS the father of Sun's baby since he was likely cured of his sterility.

But then why did Boone and Shannon die? People don't come back from injuries like that? Just internal problems are fixed? So maybe Jack actually saw his father for real because he came back from the dead? That would be too creepy.

One more question was answered. Since we now learned that Jack knew nothing about the medical hatch until this episode, then it stands to reason that neither of the girls has mentioned the hatch to anyone until now. So the Losties do keep secrets......but why?

But then why did Boone and Shannon die? People don't come back from injuries like that? Just internal problems are fixed? So maybe Jack actually saw his father for real because he came back from the dead? That would be too creepy.

Nah, I think the idea is accelerated healing. Dead is probably just dead. But who can be sure?

just like kate said, she felt like she was out of the club.

One more question was answered. Since we now learned that Jack knew nothing about the medical hatch until this episode, then it stands to reason that neither of the girls has mentioned the hatch to anyone until now. So the Losties do keep secrets......but why?

Kate said she didn't mention the hatch before because she wasn't in the club. I think we can assume that was a deliberate omission on Kate's part. I dunno why Claire wouldn't say anything, other than the fact that anytime we see her approaching Jack, he's rushing off somewhere to be heroic. Maybe Claire just hasn't had a chance.

But then why did Boone and Shannon die? People don't come back from injuries like that? Just internal problems are fixed? So maybe Jack actually saw his father for real because he came back from the dead? That would be too creepy.

My initial thought was that the 'healing' may only apply to pre-existing conditions. Any injury sustained on the island would not be affected.

I'm still not sure about Jin being healed, the look on Sun's face during the montage bothered me.

But then why did Boone and Shannon die? People don't come back from injuries like that? Just internal problems are fixed? So maybe Jack actually saw his father for real because he came back from the dead? That would be too creepy.

I pretty sure TPTB said that when someone is dead they stay dead.

Most of that I already knew...

I pretty sure TPTB said that when someone is dead they stay dead.

Exactly. They said the zombie story arc won't come into play until season seven. (They were kidding.)

I'm not so sure we can assume that Jin is the father. Although Jin and Sun were shown at the end of the episode, neither of them have been involved in a conversation about the island's apparent healing properties (as both Locke and Rose have). I'm not saying that Jin is not the father or that the island did not heal him, but rather that I don't think we have enough evidence to conclude that with certainty.

I'm not so sure we can assume that Jin is the father. Although Jin and Sun were shown at the end of the episode, neither of them have been involved in a conversation about the island's apparent healing properties (as both Locke and Rose have). I'm not saying that Jin is not the father or that the island did not heal him, but rather that I don't think we have enough evidence to conclude that with certainty.

Neither Sun nor Jin know at this time that the island has healed Locke and Rose, at least as far as we know, they don't know, so what would there be for them to discuss other than what we've already seen? (Sun: I swear to you, I've never been with another man. Jin: Then it is a miracle). With this show, we can never conclude anything with certainty but it's still a pretty safe bet.

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Don't forget that we learned that not all of the Dharma food is junkfood.

Also:

Rose knew that Locke was in a wheelchair this whole time
NotHenry was trying to mess with Locke's head

I'm still not sure about Jin being healed, the look on Sun's face during the montage bothered me.

Yep, totally bugged me, too.

Yep, totally bugged me, too.

I did see the look during the montage, and I think she's still just baffled at being pregnant, and freaked about all the ramifications of being a mother on crap-hole island. Surely she knows what childbirth is like without modern facilities. Can you see Jack trying to do a cesarean right there on the beach? Jack: "Here, Sun. Bite this stick. It is going to feel like I'm cutting you in half, because I am." I just hope she survives.

I'm thinking this "healing" revelation proves the island got Jin's swimmers...uh...swimming again. The reason for the look of uncertainty in Sun's face?
How about..."Oh my God!! I'm gonna give birth to a kid on Craphole Island?!" Not exactly the best place to want to raise a child in. Plus, she knows the Others are partial to kidnapping pregnant women and babies!! Perhaps she's having second thoughts about this whole "miracle" thing.

Until I see a flashback of Tokyo Rose doin' the horizontal haiku with Mr. McTaughterEnglish, I'm stickin with the island "fixed" Jin theory...and I mean "fixed" in the good way!!

I'm thinking this "healing" revelation proves the island got Jin's swimmers...uh...swimming again. The reason for the look of uncertainty in Sun's face?
How about..."Oh my God!! I'm gonna give birth to a kid on Craphole Island?!" Not exactly the best place to want to raise a child in. Plus, she knows the Others are partial to kidnapping pregnant women and babies!! Perhaps she's having second thoughts about this whole "miracle" thing.

Until I see a flashback of Tokyo Rose doin' the horizontal haiku with Mr. McTaughterEnglish, I'm stickin with the island "fixed" Jin theory...and I mean "fixed" in the good way!!

Great minds and all that...

Maybe it isn't Jin's kid after all... Healed reproductive organs or not, she could have already been pregnant by someone else. I think there is more to Sun's pregnancy than meets the eye.

I'm not convinced that Jin is the daddy. I think it's 50/50 he's the father. My other candidate is Sun's friend who taught her English. Just because Sun swears that she never did the nasty with anyone besides Jin, doesn't make it true. People lie ALL the time. People on "Lost" all have secrets, so Sun may have had a one night affair after a fight with Jin back in Korea. We may see in a future flashback Sun with her secret lover. Don't be suprised if it's not Jin's.

I'm not convinced that Jin is the daddy. I think it's 50/50 he's the father. My other candidate is Sun's friend who taught her English. Just because Sun swears that she never did the nasty with anyone besides Jin, doesn't make it true. People lie ALL the time. People on "Lost" all have secrets, so Sun may have had a one night affair after a fight with Jin back in Korea. We may see in a future flashback Sun with her secret lover. Don't be suprised if it's not Jin's.

I won't be surprised, but very very bummed.

My initial thought was that the 'healing' may only apply to pre-existing conditions. Any injury sustained on the island would not be affected.

im with you on that

how was it proven that jin is the father...did jack use the 20 year old computer in the hatch to create a DNA sequencing/testing program to figure that out? b/c i didn't see that in my episode tonight.:cool:

how was it proven that jin is the father...did jack use the 20 year old computer in the hatch to create a DNA sequencing/testing program to figure that out? b/c i didn't see that in my episode tonight.:cool:

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Nobody said "proof" "proven" or any such thing. An inference can be made.

Number1 and Ator, I'm with you. Sun's look is probably nothing more than coming to terms with being pregnant on child-snatching Craphole Island, or having a backache sleeping on a rocky shore. I couldn't get comfortable in a bed when I was pregnant.

I'm still not sure about Jin being healed, the look on Sun's face during the montage bothered me.

I don't think I would be too peachy keen on the idea of having a baby on that island, because Claire had such a wonderful experience when she was pregnant. I think she is happy about the baby but I don't think she feels safe enough to be happy about it.

Sure, we can infer that Jin IS the father of Sun's baby since he was likely cured of his sterility.

VERY GOOD POINT!!!! MORE HEALING POWER>>>>>
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But then why did Boone and Shannon die? People don't come back from injuries like that? Just internal problems are fixed? So maybe Jack actually saw his father for real because he came back from the dead? That would be too creepy.

I just posted a thread about that. Go seee............... :redface:

I think this healing bit goes a lot deeper than just healing. I've started a thread about it in the theories section. Please tell me what you think.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=44406

Don't forget - AL's teeth were miracously fixed. In the first season when she meets Jack in the lounge her teeth are terrible and now she has perfect teeth.

Also, In the Pilot, Rose mentioned to Jack that they had three grown sons. If she just married Bernard, then was she married before? Where and who are her sons?

Ok.... lurker coming out if the closet... You guys really all have the BEST conversations on here...

My first 'thought'... The look on NotHenry's face tonight- not that he's mean, but that Locke is playing into the purpose of that hatch. I don't have the 'why's down yet, but NotHenry said last week that 'this whole place is a joke' or something to that effect. I think he was referring to that hatch and the psycological purpose of that hatch. The whole point being 'how long they can make some one push the button without a reason or explanation?'. Now suddenly Locke has 'found out' there is no point to pushing the button, or is at least questioning it and that plays right into the 'test' of that hatch.

Now the roles have switched- Jack is becoming the 'man of faith'- screaming into the darkness, hoping 'the others' will answer. Locke is 'the man of science' now that he sees (or believes) the buttons don't do anything.

Just my thoughts. Thanks for letting me vent...

Number1 and Ator, I'm with you. Sun's look is probably nothing more than coming to terms with being pregnant on child-snatching Craphole Island, or having a backache sleeping on a rocky shore. I couldn't get comfortable in a bed when I was pregnant.

Yeah, this is how I interpreted the scene. But don't put much weight on what I write because I'm the soppy bleeding heart that thought Not Henry wasn't evil. :cry: Now I'm going to have nightmares for a week, remembering that creepy smile of his!

And it's a church! The writers couldn't come up with anything more original?! What are they going to do when they're all inside and the Others come calling and torch the place?

My stomach hurts from eating too much crow. :frown:

Wow. It's like Christmas.
So, we learned or can infer the following:

It IS a church.
Bernard and Rose ARE NOT Dharma plants.
Jin IS the father.
Michael IS alive.
Locke no longer believes the numbers must be entered.
Jack likes kissing Kate.

Holy moly.

Most of your statements are actually still assumptions. *** U ME, understand. Just watch, watch. This episode was made to throw you off track, a buffer if you will.
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I think this healing bit goes a lot deeper than just healing. I've started a thread about it in the theories section. Please tell me what you think.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=44406


NUMBER 1, YOU ARE **MOD edited**.

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What the ? This is totally uncalled for! We can disagree without being rude. Please read the FAQs.

Most of your statements are actually still assumptions. *** U ME, understand. Just watch, watch. This episode was made to throw you off track, a buffer if you will.
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NUMBER 1, YOU ARE **MOD edited**.
you are out of line. read the FAQ now and stop with the insulting rude posts.
it is NOT tolerated on this site.

I've always wondered why they all keep secrets? Why wouldn't Locke or/and Rose tell the group about their 'miracle'? Wouldn't cause some chaos of some sort? Would they be seen as crazy? Rose saw Locke in a wheelchair. Hellooooo......... If Jack knew of this, wouldn't there be some trust between him and Locke?

I just think if everyone puts their heads together and reveals what they know, perhaps there wouldn't be so much mistrust, especially amongst the leader-type ones.

im with you on that

Lockes injury happened on the island, wasnt he also injured last season right when Boone was killed? Or did he just loose the use of his legs.
Wasnt sawyer at Death's Door a few weeks (island time) ago, now he's wrestling with Hurley & rebuilding a shack???
How is the rope hickey Ethan gave Charlie?

Sure, we can infer that Jin IS the father of Sun's baby since he was likely cured of his sterility.

I disagree. The marshall wasn't healed - Shannon wasn't healed of her asthma.

One more question was answered. Since we now learned that Jack knew nothing about the medical hatch until this episode, then it stands to reason that neither of the girls has mentioned the hatch to anyone until now. So the Losties do keep secrets......but why?

I don't know why Claire hasn't said anything, and Rousseau doesn't really chat it up with anyone, but I remember Kate saying she didn't tell Jack because she was waiting for him to let her back into his "loop".

Everything happens for a reason. Each lostie seems to be there for their own reason. The faith healer in Austrailia talked about many places on the earth that have healing powers and that he just channels that energy from the one he is at. Sometimes it works sometimes it dosn't. He told Rose that it was not the right place for her. The Island must be another healing vortex. Possibly something to do with the magnetic feild created there. I think that many new age and native american religions possibly other earth based religions believe in these vortex places.

But oh, the glorious question!

These "healing vortexes" of "energy" that Isaac was talking about . . .

Is this one in particular (the island) another project of Dharma's, just like trying to get Polar Bears to thrive in the jungle and controllable weather and all that . . .

OR is this something that's been there since before Dharma arrived? Remember Mr. Asia in the Orientation video saying that they were studying the unique electromobabble fluctuationismasms emanating from that sector of the island - -

OH, SNAP

"this sector of the island" . . .

So this "vortex", as you guys call it, doesn't encompass the whole island, I would presume. Does that mean there's a "line" that Locke can't cross, or his legs will give way? I mean, I know that's happened already, but he didn't completely lose his ability to walk when they reached the plane . . .

This show is going to explode my brain.

Does that mean there's a "line" that Locke can't cross, or his legs will give way? I mean, I know that's happened already, but he didn't completely lose his ability to walk when they reached the plane ...

I believe there is a line and, if crossed, strips the indidual of the "vortexs/islands" healing power. (Seems instantaneous at that) When Locke did cross the "line" he was completely stripped of his newfound ability to stand/walk. This was evident when he had to pull himself to a "safe" zone.

Even then, is the whole "physical healing" real, or is the island "faking" it by granting people their deepest wishes? Boone had to point out to Locke that there was a piece of shrapnel lodged in his leg. This, to me, tells us that Locke can walk, but is he really "healed"? At what cost do these miracles happen? :undecide:

I disagree. The marshall wasn't healed - Shannon wasn't healed of her asthma.

As is being discussed elsewhere, the general consensus is that magnetic forces won't heal massive trauma - like what the marshall suffered. The Shannon thing bugged me too, but someone else (sorry I don't have the link) said that perhaps Shannon's asthma is all in her head, and thus not magnetically healable. That makes sense to me. It may (or may not) be notable that we we never again saw her have an attack after she was "talked down" from the one that we did see.

I'm not so sure about the idea of crossing a line after which you are no longer 'healed'. It seems to make a lot of sense to me, but there's a bit of a hole in it.

Back when Locke and Boone were trying to open the hatch (wow that seems like so long ago now) Locke didn't notice that there was a piece of shrapnel stuck in his leg, which was when he started realising he was losing the ability to walk again. In reality when there someone takes a major injury they don't always feel pain straight away, it's part of the body's defense mechanism. This could be put down to this except that later Locke was jabbing his legs with a pin and appeared to still be unable to feel it. None of this was near the beachcraft, it was around the hatch. He's spent the vast majority of this season in the hatch, with no problems with his legs whatsoever; he was clearly in pain when the blast door closed on him. As well as the hatch seemingly built right on top of the magnetic source.

Also, about not everything getting healed (injuries, Shannon's asthma), Isaac said that each 'hotspot' (I'm going to call them that) has different properties; that's why he couldn't heal Rose, but she is now.

Even though it doesn't seem to be a big plot point (at least at the moment), I am so glad that someone FINALLY knows that Locke used to be in a wheelchair. Someone who doesn't die before they get a chance to tell anyone else, I mean. I've been waiting for this ever since we found out about it ourselves and it's such a relief.

Well, you know what they say: Momma's baby...Daddy's maybe.

However, I feel Jin is the father. It feels right.

the losties part of the island only cures existing ailments - it has no effect on what happens to you once you're there - just a thought

I am so glad that someone FINALLY knows that Locke used to be in a wheelchair. Someone who doesn't die before they get a chance to tell anyone else, I mean. I've been waiting for this ever since we found out about it ourselves and it's such a relief.

It's cool to see that "someone" noticed Locke and his chair, but I've got the feeling that Rose respects John's apparent desire to keep that a secret. Before long it's going to be a challenge to decide who knows what...

Wow. It's like Christmas.

Jin IS the father.
Locke no longer believes the numbers must be entered.



Jin MAY be the father. At least he thinks he is.
Locke is unsure if the numbers have to be entered. If he was certain that they did not need to be entered he wouldn't do it if only to find out what DOES happen when they aren't entered.

Now about Shannon and asthma. It is true that asthma can be triggered by certain strong emotions, but don''t for one moment believe asthma is all in the head. Asthma is an immunological disease just like lupus and arthritis and aids. You can be having a grand old time and suddenly without warning have a life threating attack because you breathed in some antigen that you were unaware was even in the vicinity. You probably have guessed that I suffer from asthma and would to God it was purely psychosomatic in nature. I'd sign up for decades of therapy if gettting my head around it could cure me. That Shannon was not seen onscreen again with another attack may be that she was very careful with what she ingested , kept some eucalyptus handy and practiced some yoga..hey it ain't a cure but it can help.

Yeah, we don't know if Jin is the father.

Remember that Sun thought she was incapable of having children before the doctor found her and told her the truth concerning Jin. So if she was unfaithful she probably just assumed she wouldn't conceive.... but then what would LOST be like without a bit of mystery... Jack says the pregnancy test result could be wrong really only in the first week... spoiler fix says Rose may also share something in common with Jin ( as well as Locke )... and I aiways thought Sun gave Michael the odd longing look in the first season... time will tell!:biggrin: