After watching this latest epsiode I had a fairly interesting
thought. We are seeing several of the castaways beig cured in
some ways. With Rose being supposedly cured of Cancer and Sun getting
pregnant against the odds. And Locke walking again. Now the map Locke
saw while being pinned under the door, has been translated
by some posters as having the phrase, "the cure is worse than
the disease ". I know there is supposedly some kind of disease
that Danniella has mentioned. But maybe the phrase on the door
is reference to people being cured by the island. They are
being cured, but maybe there is a yet to be revealed
downside to all this. And this is what that phrase means.
Sure you may be healed, but just wait, there's a consequence
to it all, that you might not like.

Just a thought.

Good thought! Maybe the price they have to pay for the cure is worse than actually having the disease at all! Locke seems to think they have to give the island what it wants, maybe hes onto something.

It's quite possible that the reference is simply to the fact that you have to remain on the island to remain cured. You can't ever leave.

I too have been pondering this. My take on it is different. The others seem to want children.Perhaps the "cure" meaning the vaccination/ shot thing makes one sterile. The disease may kill you, but the cure prevents you from living on through your children.

It's quite possible that the reference is simply to the fact that you have to remain on the island to remain cured. You can't ever leave.

I agree, while being stuck on the island may not be all that bad, not being able to surf the net or see new episodes of lost would suck.....

Also I have wondered if the islands curative properties are limited to strickly physical aliments.

Hurley seeing imginary friends doesnt seem to support the island curing mental illnesses.

It's quite possible that the reference is simply to the fact that you have to remain on the island to remain cured. You can't ever leave.

Thats exactly what i was thinkin

It's quite possible that the reference is simply to the fact that you have to remain on the island to remain cured. You can't ever leave.

i was just going to say that, great idea

Locke has seemingly already paid some consequence(s). His healing and visions led him and Boone to the plane where the island took away Locke's gift momentarily. Locke has to live with the knowledge of this event. Now the hatch. His cure could lead him down a very dark road if TPTB so chose.

Rose's repayment is yet to be seen.

Nothing in life is free. I think anyone giving anything by the island will sooner or later pay a very heavy price for it. I just don't know what, yet.

Locke has seemingly already paid some consequence(s). His healing and visions led him and Boone to the plane where the island took away Locke's gift momentarily. Locke has to live with the knowledge of this event. Now the hatch. His cure could lead him down a very dark road if TPTB so chose.

Rose's repayment is yet to be seen.

about to say that
Maybe the punishment to rose will be like bernaurd dieing, just a thought

First off I would like to say that none of the people who were on the flight that crashed were given the option of being on the island or NOT being on the island. As this is not a choice I don't believe that they must somehow pay for the health they received as if they had agreed to a trade. Will what happens to them be worse than what they had been saddled with ? I'm not sure. Certainly Locke is happier not to be in a wheelchair. To be a vibrant , vital, and mostly respected member of the little community where he finds himself. Things ain't perfect. He is now unsure of his purpose but I am pretty certain he wouldn't exchange the life he has now for the one he had 3 months earlier. Jin and Sun being able to conceive. If the baby is Jin's then I would say they will be far happier than they were before they crashed. After all they have tremendous obstacles but they don't have the power of Sun's father overshadowing their lives. Rose is a bit tougher. She was reconciled to her death. She has faith and knows there is more than this present time to consider. OTOH she only began her life with Bernard less than a year ago. She would hate to see him have to loose her after waiting nearly a lifetime to find a love like they share. So Rose too is better off and those on the island are better off for having her and Bernard with them.

first question is what is the DISEASE anyway? we don't quite know what it is, thus what a cure might be. But remember the vaccine or whatever it is that Desmond took a stash of before taking off, or injecting himself with, or being injected into Claire? What is that the supposed cure for anyway?
also, on the hatch, in greek, another saying "The wrath of god may be great, but it sure is slow"

One more thing... the "Cure is worse than the disease" is in latin also holds the meaning. "THE DISEASE WORSENS WITH THE CURE"

first question is what is the DISEASE anyway? we don't quite know what it is, thus what a cure might be. But remember the vaccine or whatever it is that Desmond took a stash of before taking off, or injecting himself with, or being injected into Claire? What is that the supposed cure for anyway?
also, on the hatch, in greek, another saying "The wrath of god may be great, but it sure is slow"

One more thing... the "Cure is worse than the disease" is in latin also holds the meaning. "THE DISEASE WORSENS WITH THE CURE"

I was wondering if the cure could cause the disease -- in other words that the healings are actually the first symptoms of the disease.

I like the thoughts about the price being that you can't leave the island or you lose the cure. On the surface that might not seem like too much to ask but we've already seen that this island is dangerous. The dangers may be more horrible to face than being cured.

I'm just letting my imagination run wild here. Could it mean that there really is no disease and that "healthy," but misguided and paranoid people, are being medically experimented on? Maybe the test subjects are hypochondriacs who have been pushed into believing that there is a sickness out there and they are being "cured" via cruel and unusual treatment methods?

Locke has seemingly already paid some consequence(s). His healing and visions led him and Boone to the plane where the island took away Locke's gift momentarily. Locke has to live with the knowledge of this event. Now the hatch. His cure could lead him down a very dark road if TPTB so chose.



Locke foresaw Boone's death and was resigned that this was a sacrifice the Island was requesting him to make.
It doesnt seem to have depressed him much.
He also obsessed so much over Claire that he beat Charlie up.
Then he locked himself in the hatch, ignoring Claire, and getting grumpy with Jack.
Who's his next target?
Flirty AnaLucia, friendly Henry?
100%
I'm just letting my imagination run wild here. Could it mean that there really is no disease and that "healthy," but misguided and paranoid people, are being medically experimented on? Maybe the test subjects are hypochondriacs who have been pushed into believing that there is a sickness out there and they are being "cured" via cruel and unusual treatment methods?


kinda like Scientology...

kinda like Scientology...

I posted the above without knowing anything about Scientology. Do you think Scientology is relevant to "Lost" in any way? :confused:

I posted the above without knowing anything about Scientology. Do you think Scientology is relevant to "Lost" in any way? :confused:

Henry is using cognitive manipulations.

Cognitive manipulations are believed by some to be at the core of Scientology and many other cults & groups in order to control, brainwash & financially exploit people.
Yes, misguided and paranoid people can in this way be psychologically & financially exploited, believing they are being "cured" via cruel and unusual treatment methods.

Google or Wiki:
"Scientology Training Routines"
"Cognitive manipulations"
or even "Scientology Incident"
to find out more...

I don't think Scientology is DIRECTLY related to LOST, ot that Henry wants the cast to become Scientologists... sounds like a good episode of South Park though...

Henry is definitely winding everybody up and feeding off (enjoying) all that negative energy.

Thanks for the elaboration. I kind of see where you're going with this. Dharma is suggestive of a cultic group in more ways than one. Use of cognitive manipulation. Exploitation of the weak and innocent. Brainwashing. Members that are tightly "controlled." Interesting...

Maybe the phrase on the door
is reference to people being cured by the island. They are
being cured, but maybe there is a yet-to-be-revealed
downside to all this. And this is what that phrase means.
Sure you may be healed, but just wait, there's a consequence
to it all that you might not like.
There's an idea that makes a lot of sense! Like the cliché--nothing's for free.

It's quite possible ... that you have to remain on the island to remain cured. You can't ever leave.
"You can check out any time you like,
but you can never leave..."

I have wondered if the island's curative properties are limited to strictly physical aliments. Hurley seeing imaginary friends doesn't seem to support the island curing mental illnesses.
Yeah, it only causes mental distress, not cures it...

Maybe the punishment to Rose will be like Bernard dying...
Yes, that's exactly what I thought when Bernard said to Rose, "OK, then, we'll never leave this island." I figured that was a foreshadowing for the upcoming deaths of Rose and Bernard. (Which would be very sad, as I like them both.)

I posted the above without knowing anything about Scientology. Do you think Scientology is relevant to "Lost" in any way? :confused:

I hope not!!! But I doubt it anyway, since no one really knows alot about what scientologist actually do or their complete belief system, thus the speculation about all the cult-like stuff.

I was wondering if the cure could cause the disease -- in other words that the healings are actually the first symptoms of the disease.

I like the thoughts about the price being that you can't leave the island or you lose the cure. On the surface that might not seem like too much to ask but we've already seen that this island is dangerous. The dangers may be more horrible to face than being cured.

I've considered that idea a whole lot this season. I figure maybe things seem to get better then suddenly get a whole lot worse.

On another note, I don't think they have to pay a price, per se, but there is the idea about how every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and perhaps that might be what will happen.

Heres my solution:

The disease is worse (worsenz) than the (with the) cure
and:
Its a bad plan that cant be changed

Perhaps this refers to a solution to the bad plan. Someone realized a solution and discussed it -- but the solution to their problems was more troublesome then in the first place?

The map clearly shows discussion between 2 groups:
I think were on the same wave length

I, too, believe that the quotes "its a bad plan that can't be changed" and "the disease is worse than the cure" are related. I keep thinking it has to do with experimenting on humans.

After watching this latest epsiode I had a fairly interesting
thought. We are seeing several of the castaways beig cured in
some ways. With Rose being supposedly cured of Cancer and Sun getting
pregnant against the odds. And Locke walking again. Now the map Locke
saw while being pinned under the door, has been translated
by some posters as having the phrase, "the cure is worse than
the disease ". I know there is supposedly some kind of disease
that Danniella has mentioned. But maybe the phrase on the door
is reference to people being cured by the island. They are
being cured, but maybe there is a yet to be revealed
downside to all this. And this is what that phrase means.
Sure you may be healed, but just wait, there's a consequence
to it all, that you might not like.

Just a thought.

Yeah, the consequence to be that you are stuck on this island, forever...

I, too, believe that the quotes "its a bad plan that can't be changed" and "the disease is worse than the cure" are related. I keep thinking it has to do with experimenting on humans.

ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE QUOTE WRONG! "Aegrescit medendo" means "The disease WORSENS with the treatment. or The remedy is worse than the disease" NOT the disease is WORSE than the cure. In med school, we had whole lectures about this... today, it's equivelant to the part in the hippocratic oath of... First, do no harm.

Don't know why this stuck in my head but I was thinking about the life extension project that was supposed to be being worked on. What if the others had discovered the secret to immortality? That being immortal was worse that the disease of death.

What was going through my mind was Interview with a Vampire by Anne Rice where vampires after a long period of time retreat away from the world because they can't handle the changes that take place through time. The others are secluded away from the rest of the world on this island sort of in their own little world(although we have yet to see what kind of existence it is). Maybe they can get back to the mainland but choose not too because the world is not the way they left it but they are still the same(if they partook of the life extension project).Immortality is worse than death (in such a case). The remedy is worse than the disease. Just a thought.

I was wondering if the cure could cause the disease -- in other words that the healings are actually the first symptoms of the disease.


Ive been thinking. People on the Island have many aliments that have "Not" been cured. Shannon and her Asthma, Sawyer and his sight.

There has to be something to this?

After watching this latest epsiode I had a fairly interesting
thought. We are seeing several of the castaways beig cured in
some ways. With Rose being supposedly cured of Cancer and Sun getting
pregnant against the odds. And Locke walking again. Now the map Locke
saw while being pinned under the door, has been translated
by some posters as having the phrase, "the cure is worse than
the disease ". I know there is supposedly some kind of disease
that Danniella has mentioned. But maybe the phrase on the door
is reference to people being cured by the island. They are
being cured, but maybe there is a yet to be revealed
downside to all this. And this is what that phrase means.
Sure you may be healed, but just wait, there's a consequence
to it all, that you might not like.

Just a thought.

I love this idea. Maybe now it's all fun and games and everyone's happy they are getting healed. Then we may find out it all comes with a price, like a selling-your-soul-to-the-devil of sorts.

I just personally agree with the first statement. The island is sorta like the garden of eden. I often wonder myself if people will age or get sick on the island....A Fountain of Youth Maybe !!! The disease might be something that you can get on the island. Maybe it has something to do with radiation thats on the island or something.. Similiar to Bikini Island where all the Atom Bomb tests were demonstrated? it's still considered unsafe to set foot on after years
.

Just my two cents...

P.S. In no way have I proven there is Radiation on the Island... so please don't flame my quote please. ;)

I love this idea. Maybe now it's all fun and games and everyone's happy they are getting healed. Then we may find out it all comes with a price, like a selling-your-soul-to-the-devil of sorts.

S1E25 - Exodus3

Locke: Boone was a sacrifice that island demanded. What happened to him at that plane was a part of a chain of events that led us here... that led us down a path, that led you and me to this day, to right now.

There's the whole Black vs White imagery that keeps coming up. What if the island is working opposites in some of the Characters states, but only in some of the Characters because like Isaac told Rose certain places work on certain people.

I think it is more like the cure itself works or it would not be a cure but the actual cure is a lot harder to deal with then the desease.

Example some people say chemotherapy is more physically painful then actually dying of cancer but the pysical suffering is a worth it to be able to live. "The cure is worse then the desease" in regards to physical pain. maybe this is along the lines of what we are supposed to take from this the negative though more severe is worth it to achieve the psositive.

Good thought! Maybe the price they have to pay for the cure is worse than actually having the disease at all! Locke seems to think they have to give the island what it wants, maybe hes onto something.
Lots of this show is about characters dealing with their demons. Jack being inadequate, Sawer wanting reveng from the con, Kate running from her life ...

I think this is one of the most misquoted/misunderstood parts of lost. We all form ideas and perspectives from things that happen to us in life. Locke's Dad told him if he wanted a dad it would cost him his kidney. His girlfriend told him her love would cost him his dad. How many of us have had those experiences? Even his boss can not be a regular boss. He is some sadistic weasel. Lock does not know unconditional love. Lock has gone through life thinking that if you want something, then it will cost you. Its his demon.

That combined with the fact that he is very swayed by his healing, I don't think Lock knows anything more about the island than we do. I think its easier to argue that we know more than he does.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out.

I was wondering if the cure could cause the disease -- in other words that the healings are actually the first symptoms of the disease.


Ive been thinking. People on the Island have many aliments that have "Not" been cured. Shannon and her Asthma, Sawyer and his sight.

There has to be something to this?

Definately! Many real cures/medicines can cause really bad adverse reactions, secondary symptoms and possibly other diseases. One really common med is the OTC aspirin. It kills over 125,000 a year in the U.S. alone from proper use. Other adverse reactions include gastrointestinal bleeding, Actually, ALL medicines have adverse reactions. It's just not all of them are serious, and others, well, we take more medications to cover up the side effects of the first drug, and so on.