Who is "him"? The only evidence I have detected so far:

* The fraudulent Henry Gale believes it is not the "bearded man" (aka Zeke). Not that he was a big candidate anyway.

* Desmond inquired about him so he is not likely "him" (unless he is not even aware of his own "him"-ness.)

* Fake Henry Gale speaks of "him", so not a likely candidate unless you were to accept Fake Henry speaking of himself in the third person.

* Issac's brochure says " By definition the word He...". Presumably the word cut off is "heal" or another form of that word. But what if the producers were slipping in a clue? Yeah, I know, this one is on really thin ice.

Please post your ideas of who is "him"? The evidence is slim right now but placing your bets early insures a bigger payoff (meaning you can brag you picked the right characater before it became patently obvious to everyone else!)

Thanks!

It could be different hims.Desmond's Him could be his replacement, Zeke's Him someone totally other...and diferent from Fenry's Him...

It could be different hims.Desmond's Him could be his replacement, Zeke's Him someone totally other...and diferent from Fenry's Him...

I think it's between Jack's dad or Sun's dad.

I'll go with "Him" being Sun's father...Mr.Paik. I think that he has the money to fund the Others and whatever they are up to....."Him" will turn out to be someone we have been introduced allready, most probably by way of flashbacks.

It could be different hims.Desmond's Him could be his replacement, Zeke's Him someone totally other...and diferent from Fenry's Him...

annieone. That is logical thinking on your part. Keep it up and you may get banned from Lostdom forever, so be careful!

(Kidding, of course. That is actually a very good point. Another aspect to consider.)

It could be Alvar Hanso. Big mystery benefactor guy.

My money is on JJ Abrams, but no, seriously :Him: is someone that the Fake Henry is afraid to name so that would be someone unseen by the others. Could be Milo but more likely is someone who will remain unknown as an unknown is far more rearful than a known.

My guesses: Sun's baby, Christian, Isaac or Alvar Hanso. Still gotta' do some thinking who is the one.

My guess is Kates dad or Fenry (playing against himself).

I'm thinking it's Walt, who didn't realize he was the chosen one (like Neo in the Matrix). Now that he is back among the Others he has become more powerful and transformed into evil Walt. They will never give him back!! He is their leader.;)

I'm thinking it's Walt, who didn't realize he was the chosen one (like Neo in the Matrix). Now that he is back among the Others he has become more powerful and transformed into evil Walt. They will never give him back!! He is their leader.;)

Man. Then hope the writers can explain the ending to me in person.
:)

There is only 1 "Him" and it is....Voldemort...look for Harry Potter book's to start showing up and being read by Sawyer....

Okay, seriously....Until I see otherwise, Alvar Hanso is "Him" and "Him" is Locke's father. He took Locke's kidney, which was strange, and he was off to fly somewhere (maybe the island) with or without the money.

I always thought Locke killed his father and maybe took a bullet which caused his paralysis...but I think the absensce of his kidney led to Locke's physical degeneration (let's put medical knowledge aside and suspend our disbelief)

Basically....it is Locke's Father. Yes the Hanso footage doesn't look like Locke's father all that much but wasn't there theatrical makeup and wigs on the island....

....Until I see otherwise, Alvar Hanso is "Him" and "Him" is Locke's father. He took Locke's kidney, which was strange, and he was off to fly somewhere (maybe the island) with or without the money....


Are you confusing Alvar Hanso with Anthony Cooper, or am I just not understanding?

Okay, seriously....Until I see otherwise, Alvar Hanso is "Him" and "Him" is Locke's father. He took Locke's kidney, which was strange, and he was off to fly somewhere (maybe the island) with or without the money.

I always thought Locke killed his father and maybe took a bullet which caused his paralysis...but I think the absensce of his kidney led to Locke's physical degeneration (let's put medical knowledge aside and suspend our disbelief)

Basically....it is Locke's Father. Yes the Hanso footage doesn't look like Locke's father all that much but wasn't there theatrical makeup and wigs on the island....

the amount of money that lockes father had was nowhere near enough to fund an operation like this one, and it seemed like a lot of money to him.
this is what leads me to believe that "Him" is Suns father, who would see ~$750,000 as chump change

Hello Guys
First post here don't be too harsh against a newbie:
I believe that Zeke and Henry refer to the same him: the leader of the others
In Maternity Leave zeke (beardless this time) refers to him
In Dave, Henry says: If I told you about them you have no idea what he'll do
Sayid: He?
Ana Lucia: you mean their leader, the guy with the beard
Henry: Him?! He's no one, nothing !

So I really believe Henry and Zeke are talking about the same guy.
Now about Desmond, his "him" can be understood as "my replacement" or as the same him Henre and Zeke refer to

In my opinion it's neither Jack's dad nor Sun's dad

Him is Danielle.

ok I'll go with this to a point but

1) How did HE manage to target oceanic 815 out of all the planes in the air

20 WHY - especially when your son/daughter is one of the "test subjects"


ps I've already explained a theory that the island heals pre-existing conditions (ie prior to impact) - Locke,Rose,Jin now fertile...,...Jack's dad now alive....is the island THAT powerful ??

Why do the other single out people as being good or bad....are the others really good guys trying to save the children & eradicate the bad adult influences from the world.

the things Lager makes you ponder in depth - this shows becoming way too much of an obsession

It is so hard to guess because we've almost no information. The obvious guess would be Hanso, or someone like that. But what if Him doesn't even realize that they are Him? What if it is Hurley or Locke, but they don't even realize the role they play. I know that's kind of out there, but I suppose watching Narnia is effecting my view. They didn't go to Narnia with the knowledge that they were the Four everyone was waiting for. What if something like that was happening on the island.

It could be different hims.Desmond's Him could be his replacement, Zeke's Him someone totally other...and diferent from Fenry's Him...

Hi, new poster here. Annieone, after I read your post I pasted above you and I seem to think alike. I posted this yesterday on another board.

I just thought of something. What if HE can be any (good) person? In other words, maybe HE can use people to channel through? Ethan went from quiet soft-spoken guy to some sort of savage..... breaking every bone in Scott/Steve's body. Fenry goes back and forth too....and we all know how evil he can look sometimes. Maybe that's why Danielle said her team was sick....maybe it wasn't sickness afterall.....it was HIM. Fenry keeps insisting that he's a good person...maybe he really is.

After posting this....someone else posted:

I'm just throwing this in because otherwise I just don't see how Claire and Aaron fit into the picture at all, maybe He is Claire's father.


Well, you know...Claire has no real connection to the island that we know of. She has no connection to any other survivors in backstories, etc. All we know is that Aaron is important because of what the writers/producers told us. Oh...and what the psychic said. Stranger things have happened, huh?

To notlost's post,
Something like that would be cool, but Henry talks as if he has seen what "he" is capable of.

Ever since Zeke quoted the man in The Huting Party I've thought that "him" is Alvar Hanso...

It seems a little obvious but he's gotta play some part in all this...

It would be a cool twist if HE is someone we know among the losties. Most people do think it's Alvar but, like you said, it does seem so obvious. (Alvar was my choice too.)

To notlost's post,
Something like that would be cool, but Henry talks as if he has seen what "he" is capable of.

I agree. I was just thinking how cool that would be.

I doubt Zeke and Fenry would be so afraid of "Him" if he were Walt or someone among the Losties who doesn't know it yet. I would also rule out Isaac because he looked really afraid when he touched Rose and realized there was something special there. Christian and Kate's dad strike me more as lieutenants than generals as do Anthony Cooper and the other men and women who manipulated the Losties. My guess is also that "Him" is Alvar Hanso, which then begs the question, who is Alvar Hanso? If he is someone we've met already, I guess Mr. Paik is the mostly likely candidate being the richest and most ruthless. Mr. Paik personally manipulated Jin and I don't see Alvar being that closely involved with day to day operations (my perception only) and Mr. Paik isn't Danish. (Now if he is part Danish and Sun turns out having a little blue-eyed white baby, Jin will... but I digress.) Probably, we either haven't met "Him" yet or we have but he has played a very passive roll to date, like the doctor who lead the inquiry into Christian's drunken operation.

I don't agree that Claire has no connection. Her boyfriend's artwork is the same as the artwork on the mural in the Swan Hatch.

him is jacks dad...

Has anyone said Voldemort yet?

:-)

It could be different hims.Desmond's Him could be his replacement, Zeke's Him someone totally other...and diferent from Fenry's Him...

What if they are using the word 'Him' instead of 'It'? IT being the monster/smoke that is ultimately being controlled by someone.....like in the Wizard of Oz.

maybe its STEVE

It's gotta be Walt. Who else would know the answer to: what did one snowman say to other snowman? Michael wrote that joke into a card on Walt's second b-day.

Also, the kid allegedly has powers, or so I have been told.

You wouldnt expect it to be Walt, him being a child and all, but really, it would be a bit anticlimactic if Him is somene we have not yet even met.

Are you confusing Alvar Hanso with Anthony Cooper, or am I just not understanding?

I am probably writing sloppy. Yes I mean the same. I am going with Alvar Hanso and Anthony Cooper are the same...this is the "HIM"....

It is okay if this is the "obvious" answer because we're losing track of the big picture here. We DON'T need every mystery to be some sort of massive manipulation...we, as smarty pants fans, should be able to figure something out or it is SLOPPY WRITING. If it is Alvar Hanso/Anthony Cooper/Locke's Father than so what...that would be awesome anyway.

Seriously, we don't know crap about Alvar Hanso or Anthony Cooper still...we only know brief sketches. Both are "presumably" wealthy and both are interested in sustaining life.

I don't know how Hanso/Cooper orchestrated everything to get all these people on 815 and to have select ones survive the crash. Although not everyone on that flight was involved with this stuff either...I do believe that there were agents of Dharma in the real world lives of all of these characters...

Locke's father scrapping over piddly money (700K doesn't seem like much given what we've seen of the Hatch, food, etc) could mean he's trying to keep the project going. Maybe that 500K was seed money needed to keep the project going and maybe Anthony Cooper lost a kidney when he went to the island to investigate "THE INCIDENT"...

My final point---if Walt were "HIM" I would groan because it would imply that Walt is a christ-like figure and I really don't want the show to go in that direction....I am cool with Walt being "special" but I'm jaded with anymore "chosen ones" in TV/Movies....

I've thought that "him" is DeGroot...all along, we have been told that its HIM that is the brainchild of Dharma being supported financially by Hanso.

I have thought since Not-Henry was "outed", that he was more than just a mere Other. His actions, lies, deceit and manipulation reveal him to be extremely high on the Other's food chain. So... it is my belief that Not-Henry is the "Him" the runs pretty much everything.

Not Henry is in control and he's setting them up -- I can't wait to find out how!

evidence for hanso being "anthony cooper" was kinda given to us in the last locke-centric eppie...

locke's dad faked his own death... wouldn't that warrant the adopting of a new name, at the very least??


not that i think it is him, would be interesting though and probably drive locke over the edge haha

i agree with people it is Sun's dad. Remember the Orientation Video..? The guy in the video looked Korean. Family member? Or someone who works for Sun's dad possibly.

btw...this koren guy in the video must work in the medical hatch. he has the symbol on his name tag.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=737&pos=199

I don't think that 'him' is Fenry. It would be an extremely poor tactical decision to allow your leader to be captured by an 'enemy' force to gather intelligence or sow discord. The chances of something going wrong are just way to great - Fenry has already been shot with a crossbow bolt, been filled in by Sayid and then almost shot by Sayid. I can certainly see Fenry as the Others version of an intelligence operative but not as the leader.

Of course if the Others are not as powerful as everyone (including the Losties) believes, do not have the number of people that is being assumed or are in some sort of desperate situation; they might just have to send the Leader in to gather intelligence.

I believe that Him will be someone that has played a central or meaningful role in each of the characters lives and I do not expect that we will see this individual this season.

This could all be bunk and as the Church Lady says:

"Could it be.....Satan?" LOL :biggrin:

It's gotta be Walt. Who else would know the answer to: what did one snowman say to other snowman? Michael wrote that joke into a card on Walt's second b-day.

Also, the kid allegedly has powers, or so I have been told.

You wouldnt expect it to be Walt, him being a child and all, but really, it would be a bit anticlimactic if Him is somene we have not yet even met.

i agree with you ; but i seriously don't think it's Walt. Remember in "Maternity Leave" (before Walt was captured) Zeke and Ethan were talking about "him."

but walt could be the new him =)

This is far out there but... Who did Walt get his special powers from? Susan...well Brian seemed freaked out by Walt's abilities, and from what we have seen, Susan looked a little freaked out too when that bird flew into the window too. So I don't think that Walt got his special-ness from Susan. That leaves Michael, and so far we have not seen him with any special powers have we? So, what I am proposing is the thought that maybe Michael is not Walt's real father. What if HIM is Walt's real dad? I know its a stretch but I'm just throwin' out ideas.

I don't think it's Lockes Dad, because why would "Him" need Lock eto pick up the money from the drop point to avoid two simple thugs.

Also if it's Alver Hanso or Degroot that would be to easy of a choice.

Suns Dad I think is also a bad option. I get the feeling Sun's Dad is mearly a high placed general in his circle and not the top dog since the if he was at the top he would not be having to give his orders directly to his minions.

Jack's Dad would not be spending his days drunk and in surgery if he was building something as large a the Isalnd.

I think the finger has to point to "him" being somebody either we have not seen yet (remember the show is less the 2 seadons old) or a total broadside like Vincent being "Him" Yeah maybe "Him" can take over another animals body?

Maybe the writers don't know who "him" is going to be. They are probably playing games with us, and making some stuff up as they go along. That would explain why the episodes get a little choppy.

Remember Zeke in the jungle? He said "a great man once said" and then qouted Alvar Hanso. I think it is obviously Hanso. Hello...... Bueller, Bueller....

maybe its STEVE

<Evil Grin>

Maybe the writers don't know who "him" is going to be. They are probably playing games with us, and making some stuff up as they go along. That would explain why the episodes get a little choppy.

Good point. I kind of think that this is what might be happening with a lot of stuff on LOST.

Remember Zeke in the jungle? He said "a great man once said" and then qouted Alvar Hanso. I think it is obviously Hanso. Hello...... Bueller, Bueller....

True but sometimes when something is obvious they switch things on us and make it completely different.

It's hard for me to speculate on who "Him" is because there is just so much going on.

Vincent... yes. the dog of doom. the evil dog.

but if Vincent was really HIM. The show would jump the shark no doubt about it. But I'm not saying he's not just a dog

I think it's somebody we haven't met yet.

Zeke did use the Hanso quote when they met him in 2.11, but to me it sounded more like Hanso is already dead ("A great man once said...")

Also it is somebody the others have to report to and who they fear. Fenry is scared of him and so is Zeke. Ethan even risks (and loses) his life for Him.

Fenry and Zeke are both afraid that He is gonna kill them if they don't follow his orders. So either He has very loyal hitmen, or He himself posesses supernatural killing powers (I mean you saw how strong Ethan was and Zeke isn't the smallest guy either, so why would they fear physical harm ?)

So what do I conclude ? I have absolutely no idea....

Wouldn't it make sense if "He" is whoever is in charge of the Dharma Initiative? And Since Alvar Hanso only funds the initiative, It'd probably be the DeGroots or some academic? But If I'm wrong, then I'm throwing my vote to the 'other' Hanso, that is burried at the black rock as depicted in the blast door diagram.

Just like the word Other became confusing when we first met the Taillies (AL called the Others THEM), I think there are than one HIM.

One Him is the button pusher HIM that Desmond was looking for and one HIM is the very scary one that Fenry refered to.

I don't know who either Him is....

There probably are different 'hims' depending on the context of the scene, but We are wondering who "He" his... ie. the big show behind everything on the island.

In my opinion Alvar Hanso is the 'Him' which Zeke and Fake Henry refer to.

Zeke quotes Alvar to Jack with a sort of admirance, but at the same time Zeke and Fake Henry have expressed a fear of "His' wrath. The Dharma Initiative was said to have been the brain child of the De Groots who were scientists and that through Alvar's funding they were able to set up a communal research facility with other scientists and 'free thinkers'. It would mean though that Alvar was most likely the one who chose the island, and you dont just invest a large sum of money in something unless you plan to get something out of it.. He obviously did. Being the De Groot's only source of funding for their research they would have had to do what Alvar wanted when Alvar wanted or bye bye funding and no more of the research they needed.

You can tell by the Hanso Foundation website that Alvar has a large interest in science and he was definately looking to achieve something, and came across the De Groots, the 2 perfect people to get him there.

In my opinion Alvar Hanso is the 'Him' which Zeke and Fake Henry refer to.

Zeke quotes Alvar to Jack with a sort of admirance, but at the same time Zeke and Fake Henry have expressed a fear of "His' wrath. The Dharma Initiative was said to have been the brain child of the De Groots who were scientists and that through Alvar's funding they were able to set up a communal research facility with other scientists and 'free thinkers'. It would mean though that Alvar was most likely the one who chose the island, and you dont just invest a large sum of money in something unless you plan to get something out of it.. He obviously did. Being the De Groot's only source of funding for their research they would have had to do what Alvar wanted when Alvar wanted or bye bye funding and no more of the research they needed.

You can tell by the Hanso Foundation website that Alvar has a large interest in science and he was definately looking to achieve something, and came across the De Groots, the 2 perfect people to get him there.

I think your case leans toward DeGroot as Him as the island was his brain child. Maybe Alvar was originally quoting DeGroot. Maybe DeGroot is the philosophical leader and Alvar is just the figure head money bag.

Agreed DeGroot as Him , He did set the whole thing up, with Alvars money.

Agreed DeGroot as Him , He did set the whole thing up, with Alvars money.

I'd also agree, but who is the other Hanso buried at the black rock?

I read somewhere that on the diagram Locke saw when the blacklight was on showed in a right side quadrant that Hanso was buried at the Black Rock. I know I didn't imagine this, and I think the diagram someone posted where you could click on close ups of different areas of the diagraam will indicate what I'm saying is accurate. I just wish I had that diagram to add to this post. Can someone check that out?

I read somewhere that on the diagram Locke saw when the blacklight was on showed in a right side quadrant that Hanso was buried at the Black Rock. I know I didn't imagine this, and I think the diagram someone posted where you could click on close ups of different areas of the diagraam will indicate what I'm saying is accurate. I just wish I had that diagram to add to this post. Can someone check that out?
Here's a good clean one... http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/cleanwall-707484.jpg

It's a Hanso, but who is he, and any relation?

I think it's important to remember that everytime somone uses the word "him", it might not mean HIM. Like, I think Desmond was just asking if Jack was the next button pusher, not the Big Boss (who I think is Paik, BTW).

I think it's important to remember that everytime somone uses the word "him", it might not mean HIM. Like, I think Desmond was just asking if Jack was the next button pusher, not the Big Boss (who I think is Paik, BTW).

Mostly everyone has already agreed with this in this thread, but the question is still there... Who is "He"?

Mostly everyone has already agreed with this in this thread, but the question is still there... Who is "He"?

Thank you, you took the words out of my mouth.

In fact, I had only said the same thing in post #46 of this thread.

does anyone know who the other 'hanso' is that is buried by the black rock..."known final resting place of Magnus Hanso/black rock"?

Magnus is an honourary term that is used amongst colleagues. So it may be the resting place of 'Hanso the Great', Alvar Hanso. But, Magnus is also the the latin form of the name De Groot.

And I do agree that 'He' could be either Alvar Hanso or Gerald De Groot, but right now after reading up on some things, im slightly leaning towards Alvar.

Interesting... Isn't Magnus a common first name in Scandanavian countries too?

Not sure but Magnus is a common name in Denmark where Alvar Hanso is said to be from.

On the blast door map it also states "..due to AH/MDG incident of 1985.."

- AH must be Alvar Hanso
- MDG can't be the initials for Gerald or Karen De Groot but it could be Magnus De Groot. Magnus De Groot being the honourary name given to Gerald for his works. But there is another Magnus on the map, Magnus Hanso.

So if that were true, then that could mean that either:

- Gerald De Groot and Alvar Hanso were both awarded the honourary term Magnus by their peers... And since it says AH/MDG incident of 1985, Alvar Hanso would of had to have been awarded the name Magnus sometime after the incident of 1985. And Avar Hanso is the Magnus Hanso on the map who is supposed to be dead.

- Or in a more unlikely situation, the name Magnus was given to both Karen and Gerald De Groot by their peers, who both started the Dharma Initiative. At some point (perhaps 1985) Karen left Gerald for Alvar Hanso and in doing so would have obtained his last name... She would have been known as Magnus Hanso. As in 'the final known resting place of Magnus Hanso' shown on the blast door map. But like i said, it's unlikely.

- Or simply MDG has nothing to do with the De Groots.

possibly, but not too convinced 'Magnus' is just a nickname given to someone. I think it's someone's name.

Magnus is a honorary term but it wouldn't be Magnus Hanso if it was used as that, it would be Alvar Magnus or Hanso Magnus. In this case it is definitely a name and it's a rather common one.

Magnus is a honorary term but it wouldn't be Magnus Hanso if it was used as that, it would be Alvar Magnus or Hanso Magnus. In this case it is definitely a name and it's a rather common one.

Who do you think 'he' is?

Magnus is a honorary term but it wouldn't be Magnus Hanso if it was used as that, it would be Alvar Magnus or Hanso Magnus. In this case it is definitely a name and it's a rather common one.

I agree, when it's an honourary term it almost allways comes after the forename, Richard the Lionheart, Attila the Hun, etc...

My money is still on him being Alvar Hanso but honestly I have no idea...

Who do you think 'he' is?

I have no idea who "him" might possibly be, my bet would be somebody we haven't meet yet. I think Magnus might simply be Alvar's son who died at birth, maybe a reason why they kidnap children... Just a thought though...

I agree, when it's an honourary term it almost allways comes after the forename, Richard the Lionheart, Attila the Hun, etc...

My money is still on him being Alvar Hanso but honestly I have no idea...

I like that idea... I've heard that Magnus might be Alvar's ancestor or something, but never Alvar himself... Maybe the 'incident' had something to do with it.

I agree, when it's an honourary term it almost allways comes after the forename, Richard the Lionheart, Attila the Hun, etc...

My money is still on him being Alvar Hanso but honestly I have no idea...

Not always:

Hon. J. Smith
Honorable (mostly for judges but used in other positions)

Sir B. Kingsly
Sir as in "knighthood"

Msgr. J. Smith
Monsignor

Grand Wizard J. Smith
(Like the leader of the Knights of Columbus)

Dr. J. Smith
Doctorate Degree/Medical Degree

Maestro J. Smith
(Like from Seinfeld:undecide: )

I don't know what I think of the term Magnus but I just put this list together anyway.;)

Maybe Vincent is him . . . jk

Maybe Vincent is him . . . jk

could explain why he keeps on disappearing days and episodes at a time, lol.

My money is on JJ Abrams, but no, seriously :Him: is someone that the Fake Henry is afraid to name so that would be someone unseen by the others. Could be Milo but more likely is someone who will remain unknown as an unknown is far more rearful than a known.

Who is Milo?

We should add Widmore, of Widmore Industries fame, to the suspect list, too.

I still think it's Alvar Hanso, though!

Not always:

Hon. J. Smith
Honorable (mostly for judges but used in other positions)

Sir B. Kingsly
Sir as in "knighthood"

Msgr. J. Smith
Monsignor

Grand Wizard J. Smith
(Like the leader of the Knights of Columbus)

Dr. J. Smith
Doctorate Degree/Medical Degree

Maestro J. Smith
(Like from Seinfeld:undecide: )

I don't know what I think of the term Magnus but I just put this list together anyway.;)

Magnus is latin though and that always comes after the name, another example would be "Maximus", which would come to Magnus Maximus.

Magnus is latin though and that always comes after the name, another example would be "Maximus", which would come to Magnus Maximus.

so who do you think Magnus Hanso is?

Magnus is latin though and that always comes after the name, another example would be "Maximus", which would come to Magnus Maximus.

...avatar made me crack up !!

Magnus is latin though and that always comes after the name, another example would be "Maximus", which would come to Magnus Maximus.

Drats! Wasted my time.

I agree witht the people who think it's Alvar Hanso, he seems like a pretty known and powerful guy. And I remember on one of the podcast DL & CC said something about the obvious answer is so obvious that it isn't obvious. If that makes any sense.

Alvar Hanso is my #1 suspect right now too.