Just wondering, actually hoping, In the preperation of what is to come in the last episode of this season, that the crossword Locke is seen filling out in the episode 'collision' and the answer, Gilgamesh to 42 down foreshadows possibly Locke himself and maybe Eko or Jack heading out into the jungle to slay smoky/cerberus?

In the epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh and his worthy rival and perfect opposite, Enkindu, journey into the Cedar forest to slay the demon guardian of the trees, Humbaba. Enkindu must pay the price for killing the bull of heaven.... The moral end in the story concludes when Gilgamesh realizes that the only way mortals can achieve immortality is through a lasting civilization and culture.

Any thoughts on this, or am I just bored until the next next episode.

Crap! I knew skipping Gilgamesh would catch up to me one day! I would love to hear more about your theory, as the philosophical and literary connections on the show are of prime interest to me. I started a thread under the Locke character section regarding significant connections to his namesake: English philosopher John Locke... No one else seems interested, so I am looking into it myself.

Please post more regarding this angle!

Glad to hear, like you said, others are interested in the mythology of Lost, rather than just does Kate like Jack or Sawyer... though that's okay too.

Anyways, their are a lot of loose ends in the story of Gilgamesh that have tie ins into Lost, whether by design or fluke. But Gilgamesh is believed to have actually existed and is discussed by theolgists and historians as connected to the Noah's Arc, and the discovery of an edible root that can lead to health and immortality....

That said, I'm just seeing parallels in Lost such as it's mysterious abilities (whether electromagnetic or spiritual or whatever) to heal those who are sick, or atleast some of them. Like Locke's ability to walk, Rose's remission of cancer, Jin's infertility,... etc. Also, about the idea that the world is in its' demise, or may have already 'ended' and they are now on the island along with other unique animals like polar bears.

It's been confirmed that the Losties were indeed 'chosen' and the crash of Oceanic flight 815 was not by 'accident' rather by design by Damon and Cuse, the writers/producers in podcasts. So, in a true Arc fashion, you have what you need for the beginnings of a new society, ie. a medical doctor, a dentist, a cook, a cop,.... and animals such as the polar bear, a horse, that are not indiginous to the tropical island/climate.

So, I don't quite have a theory per se, just the hallucinations of a belief.

That said, I've also been interested in the philosophical under-story being told as well. Such as the real philosophers Locke, Rousseau, Carlyle,... but I've been a little dissapointed in the story as of late. It seems that the philosophical conflicts and theories being told are begining to become just an 'afterthought' secondary to just telling a better story for the masses.

Any thoughts?

It seems there might be a paralle after all... one of the spoiler threads mentions in an upcoming episode,
Locke and Eko will journey into the jungle in search of something.

Were Enkidu and Gilgamesh friends?

Were Enkidu and Gilgamesh friends?

Not originally. Acutallly, they were opposites in every way... one was a king, the other a dirty/wild man (imagine raised by wolves). They became friends because of a common goal....

read about this just recently----back w/ answer

and since locke and eko journyed togther maybe their destyined to die togther?

and since locke and eko journyed togther maybe their destyined to die togther?
In the mythology of Gilgamesh... only one dies. More of a sacrafice in order to save his friend.

I've been wondering about this reference too... The parallel started developing when Locke and Eko went out looking for the ?. Gilgamesh and Enkidu were adversaries who fought and came to respect and love each other, and I could see that happening with Locke and Eko. Enkidu died of a fever as a punishment for killing the Bull of Heaven... Now that the sickness seems to be coming into play (or has at least been referred to more lately), I wonder if one of them is doomed. :eek2:

I've been wondering about this reference too... The parallel started developing when Locke and Eko went out looking for the ?. Gilgamesh and Enkidu were adversaries who fought and came to respect and love each other, and I could see that happening with Locke and Eko. Enkidu died of a fever as a punishment for killing the Bull of Heaven... Now that the sickness seems to be coming into play (or has at least been referred to more lately), I wonder if one of them is doomed. :eek2:

Would you like to pick which one will die (if it plays out?), My bets are on Locke. Considering he's been looking for a purpose for his life for all his life. How poetic would it be if he fulfilled a destiny as the one to save the losties by sacraficing his own life... that is after Locke and Eko kill smokey.

I get the feeling Eko is more in the Enkidu role... Locke is so central that I can't imagine they'd kill him off. Although Eko the former drug lord certainly seems more like a king.

But you're right, they need to take care of Smokey first! So do you think they'll go looking for it next season? Since Locke and Eko are the only ones who have faced it, they sure seem like the perfect team to track it down and find out exactly what it is.

I get the feeling Eko is more in the Enkidu role... Locke is so central that I can't imagine they'd kill him off. Although Eko the former drug lord certainly seems more like a king.

But you're right, they need to take care of Smokey first! So do you think they'll go looking for it next season? Since Locke and Eko are the only ones who have faced it, they sure seem like the perfect team to track it down and find out exactly what it is.
Yeah, I think they will encounter smokey next season, considering Damon and Carlton have said smokey will return next season. However, I think it'll take a back seat to the other themes the writers are pushing... love/relationships and more flashbacks of the others like Tom/Zeke, fakeHenry, Danielle, Alex...
Also, I've always wondered if Eko and Locke were the only two to face the monster. If you remember, or rewatch if you can. In the pilot epi, when Jack, Kate, and Charlie are running from smokey and Jack goes back to help the fallen Charlie, Kate hides amongst trees and screams for Jack. No response and after Charlie finds her, they go back to look for Jack. He comes out acting a little wierd after Kate asks him if he saw what it was. And he says No, just hid in some bushes. IMO, I think Jack 'looked the island in the eye' first. Just couldn't explain it and said no. What do you think?

FirstlyHello to everyone on this thread
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Firstly: hello to everyone on this thread, this is my first post. Secondly please be a bit more careful with your comments, some spoilers got dropped by a couple of you tho nothing major.

So greetings and complaints out of the way I was wondering if the Gilgamesh/enkidu reference was Locke/Eko or Sayid/Anna Lucia. I ask this because Gilgamesh was Babylonion (or so I thought) which is Iraq, Sayid is Iraqi and Anna Lucia fits pretty well with the 'Wild' Enkidu. Of course I am currently watching Lost on UK terrestrial TV so this is as far as I have seen, so any other hints in later episodes are unknown to me.

FirstlyHello to everyone on this thread
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Firstly: hello to everyone on this thread, this is my first post. Secondly please be a bit more careful with your comments, some spoilers got dropped by a couple of you tho nothing major.

So greetings and complaints out of the way I was wondering if the Gilgamesh/enkidu reference was Locke/Eko or Sayid/Anna Lucia. I ask this because Gilgamesh was Babylonion (or so I thought) which is Iraq, Sayid is Iraqi and Anna Lucia fits pretty well with the 'Wild' Enkidu. Of course I am currently watching Lost on UK terrestrial TV so this is as far as I have seen, so any other hints in later episodes are unknown to me.

First, welcome to the fuselage. That said, many including myself realize that those of you not in north america are not neccissarily caught up to where we are yet, so if we have spoiled anything for you... I apologize and will try to keep that in mind.

Your suggestion of possibly Sayid and Ana being the allegory for Gilgamesh and Enkidu are interesting and certainly valid. However, without you caught up to the end of the season, it's difficult to explain why they may not be the allegory.

Man, I really hated Gilgamesh, and I had to read it twice. At least there are kind people like you guys who can sum up the similarities for those of us who have blocked it out. :)

Man, I really hated Gilgamesh, and I had to read it twice. At least there are kind people like you guys who can sum up the similarities for those of us who have blocked it out. :)

LOL, it'd be nice to hear you input though. ;)