As a realist, I have to say Jack's little apology scene earned me a little more respect for him. I think its the first time he actually admitted to Locke that Locke was right and he was wrong about something. I think its a step in the right direction for their little partner leadership thing. Dont you think? Maybe they'll start working together more?

As a realist, I have to say Jack's little apology scene earned me a little more respect for him. I think its the first time he actually admitted to Locke that Locke was right and he was wrong about something. I think its a step in the right direction for their little partner leadership thing. Dont you think? Maybe they'll start working together more?

I agree! It was very big of Jack to do that. The Jack-Locke conflict has been getting a wee bit old lately, so I was very happy to see Jack step up to the plate and start fixing things between them. The two of them are definitely going to have more things to worry about now than just their little power struggle.

But good job, Jack! :smile:

:-(

Where I was, the apology scene got half cut off. What exactly did Jack say that Locke was right about?

Nevertheless, it is good to see them working together!

Between the apology and Locke coming to terms with the Hatch, I think their relationship is improving. It's about time too! With their combined awesomeness, who knows what they could accomplish!

:-(

Where I was, the apology scene got half cut off. What exactly did Jack say that Locke was right about?

He apologized for what happened right when they brought notHenry in - about how Locke and Sayid wanted to get info from him whereas Jack was reluctant. Jack said he didn't agree with Sayid's methods necessarily, but they were right and he was sorry.

Locke has been a douchebag to Jack. i think its safe to say Jack is taking back his apology now that 2 people have died cos Locke lied AGAIN...

I wonder what effect Henry's story about 'coming to get Locke because he's one of the "good ones"' will have on Locke's relationship to Jack?

Well, now that they've made nice, I hope they start getting SMARTER again.
Because they seem to still be getting dumber! :30:

They seemed to blindly trust Michael's story and he has now betrayed them :40: .

the 'making nice' is over now. 'uhhh... Jack, i gotta tell you something...' Locke lied to Jack AGAIN and people died. Jack will never trust Locke again now. perhaps, that will be an incentive for Locke to join with the Hanso gang...

How exactly did Locke lie to Jack? I don't recall Jack asking him if Henry had tried killing anybody recently, did I miss something?

Locke had no reason to think Ana would have a gun and no reason to worry about leaving her in hatch...and once he had a reason to be concerned, he got on with the information.

I agree with Shinnstoneer, Locke didn't have any reason to be worried.. and as soon as he did, he said what was needed to be said.. It might, though, come hard on Jack considering he just apologized, and Locke DID lie to him even if to protect Ana..

How exactly did Locke lie to Jack? I don't recall Jack asking him if Henry had tried killing anybody recently, did I miss something?

Locke had no reason to think Ana would have a gun and no reason to worry about leaving her in hatch...and once he had a reason to be concerned, he got on with the information.

did Ana Lucia bump her head? cos i seem to remember Henry attacking her. therefore, Locke lied. it ain't that hard.

Again, what did I miss? Really. Did Jack ask Locke about the bump on Ana's head? I could have missed something, I pick up ABC with an antenna that doesn't provide the cleanest feed. Seriously. If I missed something, tell me. If not, I don't see the lie.

Again, what did I miss? Really. Did Jack ask Locke about the bump on Ana's head? I could have missed something, I pick up ABC with an antenna that doesn't provide the cleanest feed. Seriously. If I missed something, tell me. If not, I don't see the lie.

yes. Jack asked about her head and Locke interuppted her and said, "oh she bumped her head... yada yada" i guess he covered for her cos he wanted to protect Henry... but, yes, he did lie.

Thanks Pulpy, I did miss that. Not a good move on Locke's part and it will keep the "improved" relationship from remaining that way I'd think.

Locke treats jack like crap. Jack apologized for trying to be humane with the treatment of a prisoner. Sayid was torturing him. (personaly i say torture is never right)

Locke has lied repeatedly to jack -- resulting in boones death. (boone wouldnt have died if locke had told the truth)

lock imediatly stepped in and misinformed jack. He had full knowlegde that fenry had tried to kill ana and he didnt tell jack. Had jack known then theres a good chance he wouldnt have left ana alone in the hatch.

when in control of a situation locke is calm and calculating. But as soon as the situation gets out of his control he becomes impulsive, and childlike in rationale.

Jack has no reason to listen or trust anything locke says. Friendship is a 2 way street.

lock imediatly stepped in and misinformed jack. He had full knowlegde that fenry had tried to kill ana and he didnt tell jack. Had jack known then theres a good chance he wouldnt have left ana alone in the hatch.



but that attack had nothin to do with ana dying.. Michael pulled the trigger. Henry was tied up till ana let him cut himself free. That killing spree was completely out of the blue and no one could have predicted it. I think Mike did it just so the losties will be ready to go kill all the Others now. Henry lives!

the 'making nice' is over now. 'uhhh... Jack, i gotta tell you something...' Locke lied to Jack AGAIN and people died. Jack will never trust Locke again now. perhaps, that will be an incentive for Locke to join with the Hanso gang...
I don’t believe that. His lie wasn’t meant to cause AL and Libby harm and Jack will know that. It was meant to help AL save face for letting herself get attacked by Henry. AL surly could have called Locke on the cover story if she had wanted Jack to know the truth, she didn’t.

Locke treats jack like crap. Jack apologized for trying to be humane with the treatment of a prisoner. Sayid was torturing him. (personaly i say torture is never right)

Oh yeah....but Jack constantly shoving Locke into things or demmanding things from him or strangling him is?

Locke has lied repeatedly to jack -- resulting in boones death. (boone wouldnt have died if locke had told the truth)

Jack has had his share of lying to Locke too, so dont make it one sided.

lock imediatly stepped in and misinformed jack. He had full knowlegde that fenry had tried to kill ana and he didnt tell jack. Had jack known then theres a good chance he wouldnt have left ana alone in the hatch.

He knew that if Jack found out, he would immediatly kill henry, and Locke figured there was still a little more worth to him. AL felt this too. She could have busted him.

when in control of a situation locke is calm and calculating. But as soon as the situation gets out of his control he becomes impulsive, and childlike in rationale.

Jack has no reason to listen or trust anything locke says. Friendship is a 2 way street.

Locke is irrational? How many run off into the jungle with guns to shoot things attempts has Jack made?

I agree that it their relationship seemed to improved right after Jack apologized... the funny thing is after Locke asks for more inclusion and Jack agrees, Locke doesn't bother telling Jack about the blast door hatch diagram he was just sketching.

I agree that it their relationship seemed to improved right after Jack apologized... the funny thing is after Locke asks for more inclusion and Jack agrees, Locke doesn't bother telling Jack about the blast door hatch diagram he was just sketching.

Not only is there a huge rush to judgement on the show, but also on this board. I can think of several reasons that Locke didn't tell Jack about the map.

A)The group was off to confront Sawyer, it wasn't the best time to bring it up. Who is to say Locke is not planning to Jack later.
B)Locke only asked to be included on the decision making, again Locke is working on recreating a drawing he saw on a blast door, in hatch, that Jack hates. Perhaps Locke feels Jack would just laugh off what he has to say. If and when Locke decides to do something substantive with his 'map' then we'll see if he tells Jack.


All I'm saying is lets not leap to conclusions, the characters in this show have a history of not sharing info with each other. Everything seems to be on a need-to-know basis, and nobody needs to know.

Besides we know that Locke shares his map with Eko, at the very least