I think that whomever communicated with Michael on the computer told him about the plan that he put into action in "Two for the Road." I don't think they told him about Henry, as that hadn't happened yet ... unless it was in the planning stages already but I do think they got him to go to Zeke so that they could get him to go back and get Henry. The reason I say this is because when he pointed the gun at Jack, he told Jack he had "to do this alone." That makes me think whomever he talked to on the computer told him to come alone.

Any thoughts?

I agree Jane. At least I think that Michael was sent back to free Henry. I think they told Michael he'd be given Walt if he freed Henry. Although, I still think Michael is brainwashed, as well.

Unless the person on the other end of the computer told Mike to come alone or they would kill Walt.

Henry seemed pretty afraid of his own people, like they were prepared to kill him if he failed, which he has so far. I’m thinking if that were the case they wouldn’t want to save him from eventually being killed by the survivor camp.

Unless the person on the other end of the computer told Mike to come alone or they would kill Walt.
That sounds very possible! What if the person, still pretending to be Walt, said 'Here's where I am but come alone. If they see you with anyone, they'll kill me!' That would sure cause Michael to do what he did with Jack at gunpoint and knocking Locke out. And would even help explain his reaction to everyone in the bunker so he could get to Henry.

I love this new twist! :biggrin:

Henry seemed pretty afraid of his own people, like they were prepared to kill him if he failed, which he has so far. I’m thinking if that were the case they wouldn’t want to save him from eventually being killed by the survivor camp.

He "seemed" afraid. But I really can't trust one thing that comes out of his mouth. Just when start to feel some compassion for him he turns around and messes w/people. Mostly Locke.

Why did Michael pretend to be sick when they first found him?

--He claims he found the Others then he simply headed back to tell them about it and get help...so why didnt anyone ask him why he was unconscious...or did I miss something? I only watched it once so far.

Why did Michael pretend to be sick when they first found him?


--He claims he found the Others then he simply headed back to tell them about it and get help...so why didnt anyone ask him why he was unconscious...or did I miss something? I only watched it once so far.


I figured he collapsed from exhaustion.

Henry seemed pretty afraid of his own people, like they were prepared to kill him if he failed, which he has so far. I’m thinking if that were the case they wouldn’t want to save him from eventually being killed by the survivor camp. True. But perhaps Michael's journey was begun before he knew about Henry's failing ... or maybe he just now hatched the idea about bringing Henry back in exchange for Walt. :confused:
He "seemed" afraid. But I really can't trust one thing that comes out of his mouth. Just when start to feel some compassion for him he turns around and messes w/people. Mostly Locke.I don't know either. I love the spin on coming to bring Locke back with him ... I could buy that IF Henry belongs to a different group of Others than Zeke because Zeke had Locke there right in front of him. If he'd wanted Locke, he could have just taken him. I hate to say it, but either Henry lied or he is with another group, that's separate from Zeke, of Others!

The thought of Zeke not taking Locke earlier had also crossed my mind. Then again, what if all those torches that lit up were not really Others? What if Zeke was really outnumbered and couldn't take Locke at that time?

Why did Michael pretend to be sick when they first found him?

--He claims he found the Others then he simply headed back to tell them about it and get help...so why didnt anyone ask him why he was unconscious...or did I miss something? I only watched it once so far.

What myothercarisflight815 said :biggrin:
I figured he collapsed from exhaustion.Yea, he seemed pretty out of it as he stumbled out of the jungle. Who knows how long he had been traveling to get there. Or was he just on the other side and faked it? Time, I think, will tell us.

Why does everyone think Michael was brainwashed or has become an Other? If you ask me, it's much simpler. Good old-fashion coercerion. "Rescue Henry or you'll never see your son again." That's pretty motivating.

there was something michael said that seemed strange, when explaining things he looks down and his body language is strange as if he is hiding something, so those who know him can't read him...when talking about walt...he said, " i couldn't save him"..."so, i came back to get help"...how, and if he gets caught do you guys think this will come about...maybe libby's last words to hurley or jack
great thread jb...and i totally agree with diablo on the free fenry, or we kill walt
skybluelost;-(

Why does everyone think Michael was brainwashed or has become an Other? If you ask me, it's much simpler. Good old-fashion coercerion. "Rescue Henry or you'll never see your son again." That's pretty motivating. Yea, I don't think he was brainwashed. Maybe it's just that some can't believe that Michael would betray any of this friends but for my child ... I wouldn't think about it twice. He's his only child, and a child at that. Michael is crazy with worry and concern. He'll do whatever it takes to get his son back.
there was something michael said that seemed strange, when explaining things he looks down and his body language is strange as if he is hiding something, so those who know him can't read him...when talking about walt...he said, " i couldn't save him"..."so, i came back to get help"...how, and if he gets caught do you guys think this will come about...maybe libby's last words to hurley or jack
great thread jb...and i totally agree with diablo on the free fenry, or we kill walt
skybluelost;-( I don't follow. I know the scene you're talking about and I sensed something "hidden" in his body language, too but I don't get >>how, and if he gets caught do you guys think this will come about...maybe libby's last words to hurley or jack << What do you mean by that?

Thanks on the thread. I haven't really been that much into Michael since season 2 began but finally he's being given some meat to work with. I am really interested in this new twist on the character.

Yea, I don't think he was brainwashed. Maybe it's just that some can't believe that Michael would betray any of this friends but for my child ... I wouldn't think about it twice. He's his only child, and a child at that. Michael is crazy with worry and concern. He'll do whatever it takes to get his son back.
I don't follow. I know the scene you're talking about and I sensed something "hidden" in his body language, too but I don't get >>how, and if he gets caught do you guys think this will come about...maybe libby's last words to hurley or jack << What do you mean by that?
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I think they are referring to the fact that Libby isn't dead yet, at least the indications lead us to think that. So she might live long enough to incriminate Michael.

I think they are referring to the fact that Libby isn't dead yet, at least the indications lead us to think that. So she might live long enough to incriminate Michael.Oh! I see. Thanks. And I think that might be. I have a feeling (no proof) that she might not die right away like AL did. But she didn't see Michael shoot AL, did she? I thought she came in afterwards.

Oh! I see. Thanks. And I think that might be. I have a feeling (no proof) that she might not die right away like AL did. But she didn't see Michael shoot AL, did she? I thought she came in afterwards.

Don't think that will matter, if she survives long enough to say anything she knows he shot her and she can tell them that... which won't match with what Michael has told them probably, so it would make it clear he probably shot AL, too.

hey jb...let me try to explain, i have watched it again since then...the scene is when michael is explaining to the group (jack, kate, locke, and ana) about his experience...
his body language starts to change, when jack asks him about walt...he looks down and seems defensive in a way...the last few lines of the conversation....
michael...i wanted....
i couldn't save him.
so i came back to tell you.
tell you we can take them.
as soon as i get my strength back i will take us there.
we are gonna get my boy back.
i thought the we thing coming from michael was a little strange and out of character, it has always been on him, by himself...the looks on the groups faces too was interesting, he spoke haltingly, almost as if he was fed information...when talking about the guns he repeats himself twice...2 guards...2 guns...and 2 guns are all i saw
on the if and how he gets caught, if he is lying? it maybe...
libby will live long enough to tell someone, michael was the shooter...hope this makes more sense...something else that i just realized too..if they are the same group that held and took THP's guns, they should have more than just 2 guns, shouldn't they?...someone also wounds sawyer in this scene in the neck with something, maybe a sling-shot?
skybluelost:-)

Also (and this is not spoiler info I am always just speculating) if Libby says Michael shot her and Michael says otherwise...I think Hurley will recognize Libby finally (from the asylum) and the fact that she used to be in the looney bin may make her story less credible. They'll just assume she's mistaken or crazy.

That's an interesting idea! :) I had never thought about it, but some of things that Michael has said do seem to point to this conclusion! ;)

maybe it was michaels mission to let henry out, and to get locke. I think he might be the person there, one they all trust, that will start doing what ethan did.

Also, even if the others are mad at henry, they still wouldnt want him locked up where he could give away their secrets. And if henry is so scared of what the others will do to him, then why did he try to kill ana, and try to escape

maybe it was michaels mission to let henry out, and to get locke. I think he might be the person there, one they all trust, that will start doing what ethan did.

Also, even if the others are mad at henry, they still wouldnt want him locked up where he could give away their secrets. And if henry is so scared of what the others will do to him, then why did he try to kill ana, and try to escape I'm not sure what you mean by Michael doing what Ethan did. Ethan was not a good guy. Could you elaborate?

I didn't see anything that led me to believe that Henry was going to escape after he choked AL. I don't think he attacked her to escape, I think he attacked her to put her in her place. Like he said, "You're the killer, Anna Lucia." He told Locke, later, that he had come for him. If Henry had wanted to escape, he could have done it when Locke was trapped under the blastdoor.

My thoughts? I think he really was talking to Walt some how on the computer, then when he went to go get Walt the others had found out that Walt was talking to him and offered a trade that if michael brings so and so (dont know who yet) that they would let him stay with walt. Then when he got into the hatch and found out that there was an other there he had to let him go just in case the other others found out that he was there and would be mad at michael if he didnt let himout, so he had to kill Ana-Lucia and Libby because they would witness him let unHenry go, then he shot himself to say that unHenry did it all, but he doesnt know that Kate knows about the others and the make up.

I'm not sure what you mean by Michael doing what Ethan did. Ethan was not a good guy. Could you elaborate?

I didn't see anything that led me to believe that Henry was going to escape after he choked AL. I don't think he attacked her to escape, I think he attacked her to put her in her place. Like he said, "You're the killer, Anna Lucia." He told Locke, later, that he had come for him. If Henry had wanted to escape, he could have done it when Locke was trapped under the blastdoor.

I'm not 100% sure what the person means but I also wondered if Ethan did what he did because the Others made him do it. Like Michael presumably. The guy who played Ethan once interviewed that he thought Ethan could be doing what he's doing for good reasons not bad---but he was also speculating.

I think Michael will shoot Libby - and kill her - if she isn't dead already. I think Michael shot AL and Libby and shot himself in the shoulder to make it look like Henry was the killer. Maybe the Others wanted AL dead (they are angry with her for killing Goodwin, the other Other, and leading the investigation which turned up more info about faux-Henry). The lostaways will kill Henry, now, if they believe he killed AL and Libby - no more leaked info. Michael and Walt are pawns and will lead the lostaways straight into an ambush. Only my opinion and worth every cent you paid for it.

Maybe Ethan was in the same situation as Michael. He did seem to show a good side with Claire. He seemed genuine with Claire when he brought her outside against the wishes of the Others. Maybe Ethan was in the same predicament. He could have family threatened on the island as well.

Maybe Ethan was in the same situation as Michael. He did seem to show a good side with Claire. He seemed genuine with Claire when he brought her outside against the wishes of the Others. Maybe Ethan was in the same predicament. He could have family threatened on the island as well. You really think so? To me, he seemed even creepier than when he was in the room with her. He just seemed like he was preying on her. You know, I never understood why people thought Ethan was creepy until I saw him outside with Cliare. That was the creepiest I'd ever seen him.

Well, I really thought Ethan was a freak the whole time, but I did see a human side to him when he was taking Claire outside. I thought he was telling the truth when he told Claire that he wasn't supposed to take her outside and that the Others would be mad if they knew. Now I'm not sure what this means. Was he in love with her? Was she the first woman he's seen in a while and he wanted, well you know... ? Or was he just being a freak and lying to her to gain her trust a little bit? I guess thats left for us to decide at this point.

Well, I really thought Ethan was a freak the whole time, but I did see a human side to him when he was taking Claire outside. I thought he was telling the truth when he told Claire that he wasn't supposed to take her outside and that the Others would be mad if they knew. Now I'm not sure what this means. Was he in love with her? Was she the first woman he's seen in a while and he wanted, well you know... ? Or was he just being a freak and lying to her to gain her trust a little bit? I guess thats left for us to decide at this point.Yea, I agree until we learn more about his intent it's up to the viewer. But for me ... he felt like a pedophile to me. Just really, really creepy!

I'd lay even money on Michael having been given an offer by the Others to join them in exchange for betraying the Flight 815 survivors.

I'm guessing he was directed to lure as many of the militant survivors with him on an assault on the "camp" he mentioned, but in reality it will be an ambush which will allow the Others to eliminate the survivors most likely to pose a threat.

I'd bet he was afraid that he would be punished if he allowed Henry to be killed, or that Henry might betray his plan under torture... unwilling to allow those possibilities, he killed Ana Lucia- and Libby- gave himself a minor gunshot wound, and freed Henry. (Henry might even be hidden in the underground portion of the hatch, below the concrete floor.)

In exchange for his loyalty, he'd at least be allowed to see his son occasionally. The Others might even be planning on killing Michael in the ambush, but are just using his time with Walt as an enticement to betray his associates.

I'd lay even money on Michael having been given an offer by the Others to join them in exchange for betraying the Flight 815 survivors.

I'm guessing he was directed to lure as many of the militant survivors with him on an assault on the "camp" he mentioned, but in reality it will be an ambush which will allow the Others to eliminate the survivors most likely to pose a threat.

I'd bet he was afraid that he would be punished if he allowed Henry to be killed, or that Henry might betray his plan under torture... unwilling to allow those possibilities, he killed Ana Lucia- and Libby- gave himself a minor gunshot wound, and freed Henry. (Henry might even be hidden in the underground portion of the hatch, below the concrete floor.)

In exchange for his loyalty, he'd at least be allowed to see his son occasionally. The Others might even be planning on killing Michael in the ambush, but are just using his time with Walt as an enticement to betray his associates. See, now the problem I have with this theory (and it still might just be what happens) is that the Others seem more than capable of taking over the Lostie survivors without having to resort to trickery. I don't get why they would enlist Michael or anyone to help them ambush the Losties. They could have killed Kate, Locke, Sawyer and Jack when they had them all right in front of them ... unless it was a bluff and all they really have are torches and a few guns with no ammo. But Michael is definitely up to something and it has to be Walt-connected.

I agree Jane. I don’t see how the Others would need Michael to do anything they couldn’t do themselves. They could have easily taken out 4 of the camp leaders in one fell swoop but they chose to let all 4 of them go after taking their guns. I don’t think that was to supplement their own supply of artillery but to disarm their enemies. Additionally, if Michael was working for them how they would have had to coach him on what to say to make his story believable. The Others would have had to Michael in on the confrontation at the line so he didn’t say dumb thing like “they’re barely armed” ect. What he has said speaks to having no direct contact with the Others. I think he’s acting on his own with an addenda to gain help for rescuing Walt in the only manner HE thinks is open to him.