Just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Would Micheal have shot anyone who was left in the hatch to free Henry?

Not sure that’s clear yet. We still don’t know if Michael is working on his own or with the Others

Just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Would Micheal have shot anyone who was left in the hatch to free Henry?

I think so. He needed to let Henry go and make it look like he escaped, which is why Michael had to shoot himself in the arm.

At first I thought that Ana was the target- since not-Henry had tried to kill her too. Short of a revenge killing for the two others she killed. But the more I thought about it, it seemed like that would have been too hard to plan. How could he have known she would give him the gun? I have a feeling he would have killed whoever was in the hatch to get to Henry.

I think Michael saw his chance & took it. They are alone in the hatch, she's got a gun, he sees his opportunity.

I would say what Michael did was a spontaneous reaction to a situation and I think he has made a deal with the Others. I'm curious to see how the Losties react to the hatch situation. The story Michael would probably tell them is that they went to check on Henry, he fought with them, got the gun, shot Ana, shot Libby, and only shot at Michael.

From the preview...


Michael grazes his own shoulder and looks like he lets Henry escape. So, if Michael tells the Losties this story, why would he be grazed and not dead like Ana and Libby?


What also wouldn't add up with that story is that Ana was shot sitting on the couch. How in the world would anyone believe that the armory door was opened, Henry wrestled the gun from Michael, shot the gun, and the whole time Ana was sitting on the couch?! I guess we'll see what the story is next week.

Sorry if some of what I said that's not in spoiler font gives out anything in the preview. Mods, please edit as you see fit.

At first I thought that Ana was the target- since not-Henry had tried to kill her too. Short of a revenge killing for the two others she killed. But the more I thought about it, it seemed like that would have been too hard to plan. How could he have known she would give him the gun? I have a feeling he would have killed whoever was in the hatch to get to Henry.

I agree. Ana volunteered to stay in the hatch to "watch over" a sleeping Michael when Locke, Jack and Kate went to get the guns from Sawyer so she could have her chance to kill Henry with no one around. There is no way Michael could have planned to kill Ana at that precise moment because there was no way he would know in advance she would be there alone. If it was Ana he was after all along than her decision to stay behind only saved him from trying to figure out how to get her alone to kill her. Just seems too complicated. It seems more likely that whoever was standing guard over Henry would have gotten shot.

As to Libby....Michael had a cold, hard look on his face when he shot Ana his apology not withstanding. However, he looked really shocked that someone else was there and turned and fired without thinking. His cold hard look returned when he opened the door to Henry's cell but when he shot Libby, it was more the way Ana shot Shannon. Not really meaning to. However, in Michael's state of mind, he doesn't feel the remorse Ana felt and is probably chaulking it up to something that just needed to be done.

i concur. there is no way that they could have put together a plan to specifically target ana. boy she really took one in the chest. michael apologized to ana before he plugged her. you could tell he was sincere but had no problem in pulling the trigger. shooting libby though was a real bummer for him. the look on his face was of sheer terror. i feel for ole hurley. and i wanna see the brawl if hurley ever finds out...

I think he saw the situation as an oppurtunity to get the other Losties more motivated to go after the Others with him. I think at first he wanted to kill Henry, but then in the scene when he was staring at the gun in his hands, he came up with a different plan. He decided then and there to shoot Ana and wound himself to frame Henry. Libby was not in the plan. He just shot her because he knew someone had just come in and seen what he had done. He shot blindly because he couldn't let anyone live if they saw what he did. He couldn't risk that information getting out to the other Losties. So in the end, he's going to let Henry escape and tell everyone that Henry was the one that shot them all. Then everyone will be a LOT more enthusiastic about tracking down the Others.

I don't think that Michael killing Ana was a plot specifically designed to target her. I think that Michael did what he needed to in order to let Fenry escape, but on the other hand if it were only Jack in the hatch I don't think that Michael would have killed him in order to free Fenry. I think it made it easier for Michael to kill someone that he didn't know well.

Just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Would Micheal have shot anyone who was left in the hatch to free Henry?
I think yes, for reasons that others have brought up. What I think is interesting is that Michael didn't have to shoot anyone in order to free Henry - once he had the gun, he could have forced Ana to open the door or, given time, arranged to be alone in the hatch with him. Which makes me think that Michael was also sent back to do something else, which requires that he still be trusted.

I think he saw the situation as an oppurtunity to get the other Losties more motivated to go after the Others with him. I think at first he wanted to kill Henry, but then in the scene when he was staring at the gun in his hands, he came up with a different plan. He decided then and there to shoot Ana and wound himself to frame Henry. Libby was not in the plan. He just shot her because he knew someone had just come in and seen what he had done. He shot blindly because he couldn't let anyone live if they saw what he did. He couldn't risk that information getting out to the other Losties. So in the end, he's going to let Henry escape and tell everyone that Henry was the one that shot them all. Then everyone will be a LOT more enthusiastic about tracking down the Others.
I don't buy this at all. First of all, they were plenty motivated to go after the Others. Also, Michael just isn't that ruthless. He could be forced into doing what he did, but I can't imagine he could come up with it on his own. Goes against everything we know about the character.

I don't buy this at all. First of all, they were plenty motivated to go after the Others. Also, Michael just isn't that ruthless. He could be forced into doing what he did, but I can't imagine he could come up with it on his own. Goes against everything we know about the character.

I totally agree with this. Nonviolent people don't just kill in cold blood. there has to be another reason.

There seems to be a recurring theme that when someone dies it is after they have "redeemed" themselves. It was interesting that Ana was saying she couldn't shoot someone in cold blood for revenge and then she was killed. I still think Michael would have shot anyone there though. I think he was sent to get Henry back at any cost or he will never see his son again. But he also must be there to lead the Losties into a trap. Has he been recruited to the "Other" side? Or did he lie to the Losties about finding the the "Others" (remember Zeke said he would never find them), said there were only a few of them so the Losties would be willing to go after them, and needed Henry to escape so he could be followed?

I think Michael took the opportunity presented to him as well. It was just an extra bonus it happened to be AL in the hatch with him at the time, since per Henry its obvious they are angry about her killing some of his people. I also think for sure now that the Others took Michael to the "line" and let him go, just when Jack and Kate were there looking. I am guessing their plan is more intricate and detailed than we can imagine right now.

I thikn Ana was the target. Mike could have killed her anytime. He KNEW he had to kill her. That was his mission. I think that's why he said, "Sorry."
I also think its the reason Fenry mentioned "You're not a good person." as if the mission statement still stands and she has to go.

One thing that bothers me is what was Michael doing when Ana was about to kill Henry. He couldn't have known that she wouldn't have been able to bring herself to do it, especially after shooting Shannon and killing Goodwin, etc. If his plan was to free Henry and probably kill Ana, wouldn't he have just snuck up behind her and knocked her out, and then killed her? I don't think he was as sick as he looked when Jack and Kate found him. I think a lot of it was for show so the losties would be that much more upset and willing to go after the others. Also that way they wouldn't have suspected him as being "in on it" now.
I also think for sure now that the Others took Michael to the "line" and let him go, just when Jack and Kate were there looking. I am guessing their plan is more intricate and detailed than we can imagine right now. I agree 100% I can't even imagine what their ultimate plan is. These people are VERY smart. Who knows how much thought has been put into it or how long it has been in the works. It's pretty safe to say it's been going on for many years. I'm sure there is A LOT hiding in the hatch they are guarding. That hatch may very well be the "?" on the hatch map.

After thinking a lot about the whole scene, I've come to the conclusion that Michael is either working with the others or has become an other. Fenry tried to kill Ana and gave us info that the others think she is a bad person. When Ana was talking to Mike, I think it was Mike that said something like, it is what they would do. Mike knows she is a bad person and it is what they would do, so he does it. Plus he apologized. The others, IMO, don't really want to kill but they think it is what needs to be done. So Mike apologizes but shows NO hesitation in pulling the trigger. As for Libby, he was very shocked and shakey after killing her.

Everything he did was very characteristic of an other.

I don't think it's alright to shoot just anyone. I don't think that the Others have judged all our beach people. I think they only know the Tailies. I think Libby may be collecting Data regarding the beach losties.

I think Mike HAD to shoot Ana. He was waiting to be alone with Ana. Fenry told us that the stuff about Goodwin. We know that Ana's fate had be ruled upon by the Others and she is not worth "saving".

Mike's mission was to kill Ana, free Fenry and return to the Others to live with them and Walt forever and ever and ever.

Or did he lie to the Losties about finding the the "Others" (remember Zeke said he would never find them), said there were only a few of them so the Losties would be willing to go after them, and needed Henry to escape so he could be followed?

That's a really cool idea for a twist! Henry is dead scared of "Him" so it would be interesting to see where he goes if he escapes.

I'm still not sure I believe that Michael's mission included killing Ana. I'm in the he would have shot whoever was guarding Henry camp.

My guess is Michael made a deal with the Others to see or be with Walt and the price was the death of some of the Losties.

NotHenry told her she killed two of their people, good people. It was a evening of the score to kill Ana. Poor Libby didn't hurt anyone so she was a surprise to Michael and he shot out of reflex.

With what we saw for next week it looks like someone tries to kill Eko too, who also killed two of their people.

Micheal took advantage of the timing to both kill Ana and release NotHenry. If not then he would have done it another time. Maybe volunteer to watch over NotHenry himself. Ana he could have gotten later.

We know Michael is lying since he said the Others were animals living worse than the Losties. After seeing the medical hatch we know they are not really dirty and living on the edge. The size of the group that confronted Jack, Sawyer, Locke and Kate couldn't have been all of them (someone was watching the kids) so we know there are more than just a few of them.

I don't know why Jack didn't pick up on the "dirty animals" thing since he is one of the few that knows "Zeke's" beard was fake but perhaps he will in the near future.

I will be very disappointed with Kate or Sayid or even Sawyer if they do not get suspicious of the situation if only because Micheal will have powder burns on his shoulder from so close a shot. Also the angle should make them think. Kate know the truth about how advanced the Others are and the other two are just suspicious people in the first place. Eko, too may smell a rat, too since it is his friends who are dying.

Michael is obsessed with getting Walt back, maybe even to the point of believing if the Others told him he could earn him back. Face it, the people he has known for 2 onths come a far second to his son, especially the Tailies who he knew for a couple fo days.

I think she was shot on purpose. Michael could quite easily have knocked her unconcious had his mission simply been to release Not-Henry.
" Kill Ana-Lucia, release Not-Henry ( who will confirm she is dead ) and you will see Walt again "

That or we are in Dallas mode and next season Jack will wake up and Ana Lucia will be in the shower.

Pathetic.

I felt like Ana was being tested. Fenry said that Goodwin thought she could change. To me that meant she was close to coming to peace with what she did with Jason or she was justified in what she did.

When she was telling Michael that she couldn't kill Henry, I thought Michael was almost ready to let her off because he thought maybe she really was a good person. Then she gave Michael the combination after Michael was baiting her. I thought Michael was giving her a final test to see if she would let him kill Henry. When she gave Michael the combination, it sealed her fate.

she gave Michael the combination after Michael was baiting her. I thought Michael was giving her a final test to see if she would let him kill Henry. When she gave Michael the combination, it sealed her fate.

Excellent thought!!! And Great Explanation!!

I totally agreee (although I was beginning to think there was a NO Pre-Maritial Sex Moral going there for a moment [makes you wonder about Boone and Locke :rolleyes: ;) ] along with a No-Hook Ups unless we approve thing for superior breeding and all that junk :hypocrit: )

Has anyone given thought that Michael's actions anhd behaviors may be a result of the "sickness" and is indicative as an "incident". Or connected in some way to the the blast door statement of "the cure is worse than the disease".

Something happened to Danielle and her team such that she killed all of them.
Michael's behavior did a complete 180 as soon as he had the unauthorized communication on the computer, which Marvin Candle said had previously led to an "incident". I believe these killings is a continuation of that original break, not a strategic plan initiatied by Michael alone to achieve some goal.

What if the sickness is nothing more than the ability to be influenced to do the bidding of someone else on the island. A way to eliminate a person's ability to choose, but more so than brainwashing as we typically know it.

Maybe Danielle's team was truly sick and capable of inflicting damage to her, or else SHE began to behave as Michael has, killing her companions for some compulsive reason.

I agree that if the goal was to allow Henry to escape, he could have done that without killing Ana. Also, the way he purposely apologized to Ana before taking the shot, seems like the same way that Danielle might have killed her team. Like it was something he knew was compelled to do. He appeared to feel little remorse for killing A-L, although he appeared to have some level of compassion prior to doing it. It didn't appear to be out of anger, rage, or fear. His reaction toward offing Libby though, was very much like "Oh sh*t I didn't mean for THAT to happen".

Count me as intrigued!

He was upset and on edge after he shot Ana Lucia - you could see it on his face - and that's why he shot Libby by accident.

This wasn't sickness, it was something he'd been told to do.

And as regards the sickness - almost the end of Season 2 and we know very little and have seen Danielle mention it without being asked what the hell it is ?!

I can't believe in The Sickness to the extent that someone would kill because of it merely because, after over 40 episodes, one or two characters mention it and reference to it appears on a map.

I think one of the 'jobs' the others probably gave him was to kill Ana. She was one of the 'bad' ones. He wasn't supposed to shoot Libby.

Well, I think he was supposed to kill Ana because he was summoned by the computer (thinking it was Walt) The others are using him. If the others truly wanted a trade, NotHenry for Walt, you know Jack and co. would do it, it is what they wanted to do anyway. I'm sure Michael would know they would do it. This is a bigger mission, when they go to "war" we'll see.

Ana was definately the target, she only had a one year contract, I think that this part of Season 2 was planned well in advance, Michael is an Other now.

I also think Cindy and Libby were converted to become Others the first night on the island.

When Goodwin died, Ana's fate was sealed.

We'll see about Eko fate next week!!

Has anyone given thought that Michael's actions anhd behaviors may be a result of the "sickness" and is indicative as an "incident". Or connected in some way to the the blast door statement of "the cure is worse than the disease".

Something happened to Danielle and her team such that she killed all of them.
Michael's behavior did a complete 180 as soon as he had the unauthorized communication on the computer, which Marvin Candle said had previously led to an "incident". I believe these killings is a continuation of that original break, not a strategic plan initiatied by Michael alone to achieve some goal.

What if the sickness is nothing more than the ability to be influenced to do the bidding of someone else on the island. A way to eliminate a person's ability to choose, but more so than brainwashing as we typically know it.

Maybe Danielle's team was truly sick and capable of inflicting damage to her, or else SHE began to behave as Michael has, killing her companions for some compulsive reason.

I agree that if the goal was to allow Henry to escape, he could have done that without killing Ana. Also, the way he purposely apologized to Ana before taking the shot, seems like the same way that Danielle might have killed her team. Like it was something he knew was compelled to do. He appeared to feel little remorse for killing A-L, although he appeared to have some level of compassion prior to doing it. It didn't appear to be out of anger, rage, or fear. His reaction toward offing Libby though, was very much like "Oh sh*t I didn't mean for THAT to happen".

Count me as intrigued!

Excellent point! Danielle's child was kidnapped and she wound up killing her whole team. Now Michael's child has been kidnapped and he may be doing the same thing- although he did seem pretty remorseful when he shot Libby. Maybe the Others convinced Michael that all the Losties are "sick" and that Michael isn't any longer because they gave him the cure. Maybe Michael just couldn' t bring himself to kill the "good" people who are sick, so he has to lead them all to the Others who will put them out of their misery or give them the "cure." There are just so many possibilities.

Maybe I'm lost here but has anyone actually seen a Lostie bleed from these fatal gunshots? A-L was conveniently "shot" from the upper torso and Libby (fullbody camera shot) was carrying a "convenient" blanket. How about Shannon? Any photos of her fatal wound? Before I bury the possibility the three chicks were not killed in the hatch, I want to see some evidence. If anyone has a screen capture of a trickle or two, please link me to them.

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Seeing as how he was in the airport bar waiting for the flight, it doesn't seem likely he had foreseen any need for anybody. It was a spur-of-the-moment impulse that seems totally absurd and goofy. He might have tried to hustle a young chick to take a trip with him, but why in the world would an ex-cop go anywhere with a drunk she just met. Absolutely ridiculous...


True and as extensive as Alvars reach is, how could he garuntee that Ana would take a TSA job at that airport and be getting off work and heading to the bar at the exact same time to hitch a ride to Australia with an ex-drunk-head surgeon? I think Ana was in the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong problems.


Quote: No way the Dharma/Hanso people couldn't have been staking out Miss Lucia's "after work drinking habits" at the airport, and cleverly "planted" Jack's dad there to strike up a conversation. Not possible.

All the more of a reason for Micheal to kill Ana. She "wasn't" supposed to be there. The others/Darmha knew she wasn't one that was planned, so they sent Micheal back to kill her. I think she was supposed to be killed. Just as Fenry tried by strangling. She wasn't supposed to be there.