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Carencey
05-05-2006, 04:21 PM
Caution: If you're playing along and want to hunt for the Easter Eggs or solve puzzles yourself, you may wish to explore the page a bit and then return, as these summaries will contain the solutions we know to any puzzles and EEs on the page.


Current description: Upper left box: quote from Alvar Hanso and logo. Upper right box: Description of MHA projects and clinics, and Hanso Foundation goal: "the complete eradication of all mental illness by the end of the century". Picture here of doctor seems to match image seen in flickers in the webcam in Joop's Corner. Main box: picture of many people's hands (like a pregame ritual!) and description of the VIK Institute in Iceland, the Hanso Foundation's new flagship clinic. Link at bottom to "Inquire Today!" When you click on the arrow, a box appears with the prompt "Tell us about yourself". Enter "light sequence again" as your password--this comes from anagramming filenames of the hole2, hole3, and hole4 images. You'll be taken to a weird looking computer room (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Carencey/mha1.jpg)and shown a letter (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Carencey/mha3.jpg) detailing some of the "research" activities at the Vik Institute and asked to play a game (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Carencey/mha4.jpg)similar to "Simon". Play it well enough and you'll be told the meaning of the abbreviation DHARMA--Department of Heuristics and Research on Material Applications (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/Carencey/mha13.jpg) . (Pretty much everything here discovered by DharmaChick. WTG!)

Last Known Update: June 12

Passwords needed: light sequence again

LOSTinMO
05-10-2006, 03:54 PM
So I expect there will be a code or something we can put in the "Tell us about yourself" section at some point.

Do you think the mental institution that Hurley, Libby, and the "numbers guy" (can't remember his name) were all there because of some Hanso experiment?
Did the "numbers guy" go nuts due to something at Dharma so they put him in that institution?
The "Philadelphia Experiment" and "Montauk Project" seem suspicious candidates to me....Saw those mentioned at the "Speaker" section on the ABC/Lost website.

So what do you think?
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BTW.....
Is the woman shown in the Mittlewerk section posibly Libby?

Paul Turner
05-10-2006, 04:38 PM
on the upper left corner there is a square with Alvar Hanso's quote. when you move your mouse to certain words you can click it on and it does the same effect as you click on the word "inquire today"(it opens the square for you to type). It's a small thing but I thought to point this out. BTW the words you can click on is : "not merely brightest lights, but (brigh)test light the way for (canno)t shine for"

Also, I thought when you are only at the bio page you see the OB:EY thing but I was at the MHA page and it happened too.

KFR42
05-10-2006, 04:52 PM
I think the OBEY thing will work on any page of the site, just at a particular time.

Peephole
05-10-2006, 05:36 PM
The numbers guy went nuts because he head the numbers over and over again for years.
Hurley went nuts because he was on a stage that collapsed and a whole bunch of people died. We don't know why libby went nuts though.

baxter1323
05-10-2006, 05:37 PM
it worked for me on a few pages

Paul Turner
05-10-2006, 05:41 PM
Ok so I guess you can see the OB:EY message at any Hanso pages.

What do you think of the clickable words for the square box to open up??

pjf1977
05-10-2006, 05:49 PM
This is my first post, but I've been lurking around for a long time. Does anyone know Libby's last name?

I was trying to find it on the boards and finally went to the abc website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/cast/78262.html) I noticed that Mr. Eko and Libby are the only two characters without character descriptions (i.e., before the crash and on the island). Strange I think so late in the season.

macdaddymom
05-10-2006, 06:02 PM
The "numbers guy's" name is Lenny. The other one who heard them too was Sam. Sam Toomey (sp?)

lostwanderer
05-10-2006, 09:58 PM
The numbers guy went nuts because he head the numbers over and over again for years.
Hurley went nuts because he was on a stage that collapsed and a whole bunch of people died. We don't know why libby went nuts though.


I'm not too sure Libby was nuts. She may have been planted there to watch Hurley and the numbers guy.

Necrite98
05-11-2006, 02:33 AM
This is my first post, but I've been lurking around for a long time. Does anyone know Libby's last name?

I was trying to find it on the boards and finally went to the abc website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/cast/78262.html) I noticed that Mr. Eko and Libby are the only two characters without character descriptions (i.e., before the crash and on the island). Strange I think so late in the season.

Specualtion based on spoilers has been that Libby's last name is

Widmore

QuinceTheCarpenter
05-13-2006, 01:54 PM
Matching Skeleton Diagrams in "Question Mark" episode Coronor's office and in Mental Health Appeal page.

While watching the Question Mark episode, I noticed the skeleton diagram behind the coronor that Eko interviews about the possible miracle. I think the skeleton diagram matches the one on the Mental Health Appeal site. (I know, that is supposed to be a stock photo, so was it either matched by the producers, or was the skeleton diagram added to the stock photo?)

Here are pictures:

Composite: (red line shows a spot that is the same, the side view hand/hip of the middle skeleton)
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/QuinceTheCarpenter/The%20Experience/SkeletonComposite.jpg

Close up of skeleton diagram in coronor's office:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/QuinceTheCarpenter/The%20Experience/CoronorWithSkeleton2.jpg

Skeleton from Mental Health Appeal page:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i19/QuinceTheCarpenter/The%20Experience/MentalHealthPicture.jpg

I think this is a clue that the Coronor is connected to the Hanso Foundation, possibly the Mental Health Appeal project.

KFR42
05-13-2006, 02:10 PM
Thats a standard skeleton chart, in fact Im pretty sure we had that same chart in my biology lab at school a few years back. Doesnt mean a thing.

DharmaChick
05-13-2006, 02:12 PM
hmm... good eye, Quince!

So perhaps the psychic's daughter has a connection there, too... or they wanted her to.
I still think that she looks a bit like the hospital gown woman under Mittelwerk's bio.
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Thats a standard skeleton chart, in fact Im pretty sure we had that same chart in my biology lab at school a few years back. Doesnt mean a thing.
True, I know I've seen that elsewhere. Maybe there is some specific (unsual) detail(s) that are different on these ones?

QuinceTheCarpenter
05-13-2006, 02:20 PM
Just in case there is a connection to the Experience, I think we should watch for the name of the girl the coronor was flirting with on the tape recording he gave to Eko... he says her name just before the "miracle" and associated screaming begins.

Sam G
05-13-2006, 04:37 PM
The lovely Valerie MacTavish.

aWishResigned
05-13-2006, 11:33 PM
This may be completely off-base but, I've been reading on this site for a few months now and I'm trying to piece the experience together a much as I can. One item of information I came across falls into this thread. Someone eariler mentioned the possibility of the mental hospital that Hurley, Libby, and #'s guy stay at could have something to do with Dharma or THF. I remember some talk around the time 'Dave' aired about a mural on the wall of the hospital resembling the mural in the hatch. I can't prove this because the screen caps are lost among the threads but, if someone could help me find it and I'm right, then this could be the connection we're looking for. Figured I'd throw it out there...

DharmaChick
05-13-2006, 11:52 PM
This may be completely off-base but, I've been reading on this site for a few months now and I'm trying to piece the experience together a much as I can. One item of information I came across falls into this thread. Someone eariler mentioned the possibility of the mental hospital that Hurley, Libby, and #'s guy stay at could have something to do with Dharma or THF. I remember some talk around the time 'Dave' aired about a mural on the wall of the hospital resembling the mural in the hatch. I can't prove this because the screen caps are lost among the threads but, if someone could help me find it and I'm right, then this could be the connection we're looking for. Figured I'd throw it out there... Well, let's see... (I'm stuck at home awake but sick, so I'm feeling extra helpful.. :) )

Here (http://timdorr.com/images/Lost/mural.jpg) is a good pic of the hatch mural.
Thanks to timdorr from this thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19116) about the mural.

A couple more of the hatch: 1 (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled74uu.jpg), 2 (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled94jg.jpg)

Lots of mural pics and info here (http://www.cs.iastate.edu/%7Eandorfc/iowa_mural.html). <-- compares several illustrations in Lost to hatch mural

not seeing any artwork for the hospital so far...

Sam G
05-14-2006, 02:38 AM
I don't recall any mural's. I looked through Numbers screen caps and didn't see any

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=305&pos=328 Closest a Pink tree

aWishResigned
05-14-2006, 11:53 AM
Hmm... I've been digging through the forums ever since I posted that message and I can't seem to find the picture anywhere anymore. Must not be a connection or else someone would have had it. Eh, oh well. It was worth a shot.

Lost Sailor
05-14-2006, 10:15 PM
Who are the Widmores?

Sam G
05-14-2006, 10:31 PM
Who are the Widmores? As in Widmore Labortories the company that made the preganacy test.

Anthony Kinson
05-14-2006, 10:53 PM
Well, let's see... (I'm stuck at home awake but sick, so I'm feeling extra helpful.. :) )

Here (http://timdorr.com/images/Lost/mural.jpg) is a good pic of the hatch mural.
Thanks to timdorr from this thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19116) about the mural.

A couple more of the hatch: 1 (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled74uu.jpg), 2 (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled94jg.jpg)

Lots of mural pics and info here (http://www.cs.iastate.edu/%7Eandorfc/iowa_mural.html). <-- compares several illustrations in Lost to hatch mural

not seeing any artwork for the hospital so far...
some very interesting finds there :)

DharmaChick
05-15-2006, 12:27 AM
As in Widmore Labortories the company that made the preganacy test.
and Widmore Construction.
A Widmore logo is also viewable on Henry Gale's balloon.

In game, Widmore is also mentioned on Mittelwerk's line on the Hasno phone line.
In the book "Bad Twin", Widmore is also mentioned has having a connection to the Hanso Foundation.

sd12013
05-27-2006, 05:33 AM
This is my first post, but I've been lurking around for a long time. Does anyone know Libby's last name?


I'm pretty sure from all the clues I've been following, that Libby's last name was...Widmore! I think she was married to Charles Widmore, brother of Penelope. You know it had to be something big like that. They went out of their way not to mention her last name and then when she was gone to point out that nobody knew her last name. If it was Smith why wouldn't they just say it?

QuinceTheCarpenter
05-27-2006, 08:37 AM
I'm pretty sure from all the clues I've been following, that Libby's last name was...Widmore! I think she was married to Charles Widmore, brother of Penelope. You know it had to be something big like that. They went out of their way not to mention her last name and then when she was gone to point out that nobody knew her last name. If it was Smith why wouldn't they just say it?
In the season 2 finale, we learned that Charles Widmore was Penelope's father. Libby told Desmond her recently deceased husband's name was David and that her name was Elizabeth.

Sam G
05-27-2006, 03:55 PM
and Widmore Construction.
A Widmore logo is also viewable on Henry Gale's balloon.

In game, Widmore is also mentioned on Mittelwerk's line on the Hasno phone line.
In the book "Bad Twin", Widmore is also mentioned has having a connection to the Hanso Foundation. And it had a star over the i in Widmore......

EdMuse
05-27-2006, 04:32 PM
In the season 2 finale, we learned that Charles Widmore was Penelope's father. Libby told Desmond her recently deceased husband's name was David and that her name was Elizabeth.
And she didn't recognize the brochure of Charles Widmore's sailing race Desmond showed her. If she were a Widmore, she probably would have known about the race. IMHO, we can pretty much discount the idea that Libby's last name is Widmore. I still cling to the idea that she and Liddy Wales are one in the same.
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I just finished going over two "Libby's Last Name" threads, and I didn't find anything more than conjecture supporting her last name being Widmore. Basically, just a bunch of people saying "I think her last name is Widmore," but not saying why they think that.

Perhaps I missed something.

Sam G
05-27-2006, 08:01 PM
And she didn't recognize the brochure of Charles Widmore's sailing race Desmond showed her. If she were a Widmore, she probably would have known about the race. IMHO, we can pretty much discount the idea that Libby's last name is Widmore. I still cling to the idea that she and Liddy Wales are one in the same.
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I just finished going over two "Libby's Last Name" threads, and I didn't find anything more than conjecture supporting her last name being Widmore. Basically, just a bunch of people saying "I think her last name is Widmore," but not saying why they think that.

Perhaps I missed something. If Libby was a Widmore, I'm guessing through marriage. I have to watch again but when Libby said Charles Widmore, I thought there was a note of slight recognition. David could have been a Widmore and had a falling out with dear old dad. As you say there is no proof.

Peta Cota
05-31-2006, 08:24 PM
I thought there was a note of slight recognition. David could have been a Widmore and had a falling out with dear old dad. As you say there is no proof.

I agree about the hint of recognition but I dont' think there was no connection to David because she wasn't choked up by that. She was almost in tears at the mention of the word "boat" so I'm sure her father-in-law IMHO if you are pretentious enough to host a race around the world you'd better be pretty darn famous. I think she just recognized the name because his name is on all sorts of products and probably all over the news. Someone actually hosting a race around the world would get all sorts of media attention.

Now to speak on topic, does anyone think the mental health section when eventually activated will actually reveal a clue about the mental health project or will it just be more dirt on Thompson or McIntire (sp)? I think info on the project would be more interesting, but for some reason I doubt we will get anything other than Persephone telling us that the execs have DUIs or drown kittens or something.

mejpye
06-05-2006, 04:15 PM
*This is my first time posting although I've been a lurker for quite a while (just usually don't know what to say or have anything to add :ohwell: ) so please be patient with me...*

I've been playing around with the MHA page. I've very interested in the quote at the top. I mean, it must mean something if it is accented with a link to open the text window, right? Then I was reading a message on this thread going over exactly which words link. The "light" (brightest lights/brightest light) is very interesting to me. And the fact that the link seems to be more like (brigh)test lights, etc. The idea came to me to find out what "t light" is. I came across this.... http://www.jlab.org/news/articles/2002/Tlight.html
May mean nothing at all but I thought it was interesting that they mention use in medicine.
Also, playing around with the idea of brightest light and all that it reminded me of an H.G. Wells story called "The Star" or "The Brightest Star" or something like that. You know, just to go along with interesting stories that have similar tones to things we see in the show and in the Experience. :smile:
So anyways, just wanted to throw that out there.

DharmaChick
06-05-2006, 04:28 PM
Welcome, mejpye!

Good observations.

If anyone is interested in the full text of that short story ("The Star"), it is available online in a few places, including here (http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2163/).

The text in that quote (at the MHA section) that seems to be included in the clickable link area is:
test light the way for
t shine for so I thought of "test light" being some sort of clue, and I have been looking for some kind of connection to that.

QuinceTheCarpenter
06-05-2006, 05:14 PM
You can see the clickable box by hitting the TAB key repeatedly on the MHA page.
Here is the full text, with the words or parts of words inside the clickable region underlined:
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"A society should not merely be
measured by its brightest lights, but
on how the brightest light the way for
those who cannot shine for
themselves."

Alvar Hanso
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mejpye
06-05-2006, 10:29 PM
Thank you so much, you guys! I'm glad to know I'm not WAY off base in my thinking. LOL:) This is an interesting part of the Hanso site to me. I'll sure be glad when someone cracks this mystery. ;)

Greycloak
06-13-2006, 12:26 AM
OK...I know that decompiling the flash is cheating, but I couldn't resist. I found something very interesting in the mha.swf file...the possible true acronym for Dharma:


Department of
Heuristics
And
Research on
Material
Applications


There seems to be some other interesting stuff in there too. I can't wait to find out how to actually access the content.

Sam G
06-13-2006, 03:12 AM
OK...I know that decompiling the flash is cheating, but I couldn't resist. I found something very interesting in the mha.swf file...the possible true acronym for Dharma:


Department of
Heuristics
And
Research on
Material
Applications


There seems to be some other interesting stuff in there too. I can't wait to find out how to actually access the content. Since I didn't know the word
Heuristics ADJECTIVE:
Of or relating to a usually speculative formulation serving as a guide in the investigation or solution of a problem: "The historian discovers the past by the judicious use of such a heuristic device as the 'ideal type'" (Karl J. Weintraub).
Of or constituting an educational method in which learning takes place through discoveries that result from investigations made by the student.
Computer Science Relating to or using a problem-solving technique in which the most appropriate solution of several found by alternative methods is selected at successive stages of a program for use in the next step of the program.

QuinceTheCarpenter
06-13-2006, 07:45 AM
This block contains speculation based on the spoiler fonted reveal / discussion in the previous two posts. Nothing additional is revealed here.

I have run into the word heuristics in the context of computer programs that need to make choices while solving a problem. In simple terms a 'heuristic' is a recipe or set of rules for solving a problem. Any 'heuristic' may work well or poorly in a given situation. For instance, if a program is trying to find a path through a maze, the heuristic may be to always turn left at a new intersection. A Chess program having to choose between moves may assign values based on pieces (pawn = 3, knight = 5, etc.) and on what spaces are attacked with each position. Such a program uses 'heuristics' to decide between moves.

In the context of the game, I've no idea what kind of heuristics they mean. "Material Applications" is pretty vague. Since we are talking about the mental health page, it could be that the reference is to an "expert system" for diagnosis, an automated doctor program that uses heuristics to solve mental health problems. But that is assuming it involves computers, which could be wrong.

How about this translation:
DHARMA = department of finding a set of rules for messing with peoples' minds?

lostgurl
06-13-2006, 10:46 AM
I'm wondering if someone should start a thread in the Spoiler section since it looks like we finally know what DHARMA stands for.

Carencey
06-13-2006, 05:14 PM
It comes from the Simon game--I got "Department" at 4 lights, Heuristics at 8, and so on. described by DharmaChick in clue thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53056)