I wanted to slap Jack in the face when he said that. How dense can he be? There are so many obvious things pointing to Michael; does anyone think they are going to figure it out?

How was he supposed to know.. he thought she was worried so didn't want her to freak & be in more pain.

But Jack should know what we know! :wink1:

Seriously things have been happening a bit too quickly for people to piece things together. They have been through the shock of finding a very horrific situation, trying to ease Libby's physical pain and then Hurley's emotional pain PLUS the frustration of knowing Henry got away. All that is not condusive to good detective work.

So Libby mentioning Michael's name? Who would think that the one who lived among them... who tried to 'save' them by building a raft and risking his own life would turn murderer?

So I think they can be forgiven if they don't go "Hey..things don't add up!" quite yet.

But like..he interrupted her. If he let her talk, she might've got out another word or so.

Jack needs to ...go toward the light.



Libby will be resurrected btw. JJ Abrams is my second cousin's third uncles former roomate once removed.

terrible dumb Jack for trying to comfort her elf lol ;)

I agree..there just hasn't been enough time or evidence for them to piece things together yet.

i hope she's resurrected! I wanna know what her DEAL is with Hurley and the whole institution thing, ya know?

heheh, obvioulsy you must know, how lucky to have such connections! ;P

Jack was comforting Libby as best as he could. He tried to help her finish her sentence because it was so difficult for her to speak. I bet Michael wet his pants.

yeah, i do think that it was rather dense of him, but i think they'll eventually put the pieces together (what kind of death-face is :eek:?)

They are in a really stressful situation. It's normal for Jack and cie not to put all the pieces together. I don't blame Jack at all.

The look of horror on Libby's face was spooky at the end....

BTW, I'm not sure how Jack was supposed to know. Michael fed him the lines that he wanted to hear.

Based on next weeks preview, it doesn't take them long to put things together about what really happened.

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I knew it was going to happen...i just friggin knew they'd keep her alive so everyone thought she'd spill the beans but then they just played it off....def a reason why i dislike the show...and yes jack & kate should both totally know..hell even sawyer..master con man should know michael was explaining the situation after jumping out of the hatch doors too well...giving too much info...i guess thats sayids claim to fame though...

So Jack is dense because he was trying to ease Libby's mind? ... um ok.
Michael has been a lostie as long as the rest of them, why would they assume he did it before Henry? He wasn't trying to interrupt her, he was trying to help her communicate, she was obviously struggling just to get one word out, I seriously doubt she would have been able to say anymore anyway.

don't you think that Jack would have now that was a self inflicted wond, he is a doc

i know it's understandable for someone to say what Jack said to libby, but how many ppl were yelling at the screen!?

I had a sneaky feeling whatever she said would be misunderstood by whoever heard it.

The look of horror on Libby's face was spooky at the end....

BTW, I'm not sure how Jack was supposed to know. Michael fed him the lines that he wanted to hear.

Yea, that was it for me too. The terror on her face as she said Michael. Also, why would she say Michael instead of Ana - she was a lot closer to Ana. That would have been the tip off to me right away.

The look of horror on Libby's face was spooky at the end....
I agree. Not a peaceful look in the slightest -- pure terror.

So, pretty much anytime someone is dying around Jack they never get to finish what they're saying. IE: Boone: "Tell...Shannon...tell...Shan...*dies*"

It frustrates me. Silly writers.

I think that they need to get Sayid in there, stat, and tell him every little detail. Hopefully he will be able to figure it out. I'm a bit surprised that the placement of the bodies alone didn't make a lightbulb go off in at least one person's head.

Yea, that was it for me too. The terror on her face as she said Michael. Also, why would she say Michael instead of Ana - she was a lot closer to Ana. That would have been the tip off to me right away.
I didn't necessarily take it as a tip off because she was gasping for her last breaths & you'd start to panic.

I agree, she was in shock still.. I was hoping she would have said some more. Like "it was Michael." or something.. but in reality.. sometimes you can only get out one word. At least, she said his name!! That is what should matter. How she went was disturbing. She was terrified! The look on her face.. with her eyes and mouth wide open.. wow! The actress who plays her did a pretty good job! was very believeable! Well done!

I was also annoyed with Jack saying Michaels alright. HES NOT ALRIGHT!! He's sick!! I wanted to throw my remote at him..wake him up! But, I still like him. Hes a good man.. with a good heart. He just needs to stop and think for a moment.. 'why did she just say Michael?' When stuff like this is keep happening.. over and over again.. wouldnt you want to know why and how it happened..how it really happened? Question people. Doctors are smart.

They dont just prescribe a person with meds, or do surgery on someone without knowing and analyzing the situation/problem first. Some doctors can just prescribe so many meds and do surgery with so many people in a day, that they dont stop and rest for a moment. Thats what Jack has gone through with everyone on the island. How many people has he helped? Has he fixed? Gave meds to? Brought back to life? He's so focused on just doing that one thing.. and making them better... that he forgets about what happened. Question what had happened? So many things has happened on that island.. its no wonder why he believes Michael.. just like that. But, it would be so nice if he could just stop and think for a moment.. and ask himself.. what just happened here??

I was upset too, when Jack kind of cut her off, then assumed she was making sure Michael was ok. Then logic set in.. and knowing that the characters don't know everything that we do. As of right now, none of them have any reason to doubt Michael.

Didn't you guys love how Michael kept asking about Libby? I think I counted 3 times! "So .. how's Libby?" "What did Libby say?" "How's Libby holding up?"

Yeah, when Michael asked i Libby had said anything, I thought he incriminated himself when they start to wonder what really happened.
Libby's death was horrible. I feel awful for Hurley. The look on her face will haunt me.

libby is coming back.. she has some back stories to tell and i think the entire thing with eko abouth the girl coming back to life is a forshadow with libby..

In time they will put two and two together and realize Michael was the killer. But I wouldn't bet on it happening this season.

libby is coming back.. she has some back stories to tell and i think the entire thing with eko abouth the girl coming back to life is a forshadow with libby..

I really like this idea.. it would tie in perfectly. Do I think it will happen? No, unfortunately I think she's gone for good.. Still an awesome thought!

I agree that there's no way Jack or anyone else could've known the truth -- especially in that moment, when their shock and grief was so acute. But I hope that in the days that follow, some of them will start thinking clearly and realize that it doesn't make sense that two unarmed women were killed, yet one man was just slightly wounded. If this were a case off the island, Michael would be the main suspect -- mainly because most attackers would first target the biggest threat to their escape: the male -- not two females, both of whom were found in what would be considered passive poses.

I was so hoping she would gasp out "did it", after "Michael". Darn it!
Michael! I am so mad at him right now!! :angryfire

He better redeem himself! and even confess what he did! But I fear
he is leading them into a trap; he will be the cause of more mischief
before the whole truth comes out.

(just a thought, maybe Ana told Eko to find the ? with John because
what Michael did to them is somewhere in the papers Eko is taking
with him)! hmmm.....

Libby's death was extremely sad and rather gruesome. I wish she hadn't suffered like that. At least with Ana it was quick.

Jack has jumped the gun before when trying to talk to delirious gun shot victims. Remember when Sawyer mumbled something about "Where is she?" after he got back from the other side of the island and Jack jumps in, "You mean Kate." We have no idea who Sawyer was really mumbling about because Jack assumed and jumped.

Of course Jack would assume that Libby was concerned for Michael when she said his name - Jack had only heard Michael's account of what happened at that point.

Misperception abounds on Crazy Island.

I knew it was going to happen...i just friggin knew they'd keep her alive so everyone thought she'd spill the beans but then they just played it off....def a reason why i dislike the show...

Reason why I like the show. Director Deran Sarafian obviously went to film school, and probably studied Hitchcock. Standard suspense rule in the world of entertainment- give the audience information the characters do not have, and watch it play out. I love the fact that I was screaming at the tele when Jack misinterpreted what she was saying. Just adds onto the tragedy.

I think some of us are also forgetting the fact that the last two episodes are probably within hours. It barely hit morning by the time "?" was over, and Jack's first priority is to make sure everyone is safe. Michael is a fellow 'Lostie,' and has never given Jack any plausible cause to question his story. When he finds Libby shot and alive, he doesn't have time to think about the timeline of events, his first priority is to try save her life. It's SAYID'S job to properly trace the time of events, and hopefully, we'll see the next week.

However, I do think that Libby's death was a bit premature, and didn't serve any purpose rather than pissing us off, but of course, that is only the assumption now, and we don't know whether or not her death will come into play in the future. I thought that she wsa going to die, and she was going to be ressurected, and that's why Eko's backstory was about a dead girl being revived. Even though the producers have said that if someone is dead, they're dead forever, I wouldn't mind if Libby pulls a Uma Thurman in Volume 2, and sticks her hand out from udnerneath her grave while Ennio Morricone plays in the background. That would be sweet. Anyway, I'm sure we'll find out more about Libby as the series progresses; she has too many unanswered questions.

i posted this in the wrong thread so i will post it here.


one more thing why does Jack treat people like they are children. Libby said "Michael" a death bed word and he immediately thinks that she cares so much for michael on her death bed that she wants to know his condition.

Michael did what he did apparently because he wants the Losties to go after the Others. Part of me was rooting for him to succeed because I WANT the confrontation with the Others (and no more episodes about Hurley's weight, or Charlie's brother's addiction).

Hey! How can Libby be dead when we haven't seen her flashback!!! And she clearly had a look of terror on her face after Jack told her Michael was fine, but I bet they'll probably chalk it up to fear of death. UGH

Hurley had no problem with how Jack finnished Libby's sentence. Why? Because there is NO reason to question what Michael had said. His story was perfect!

I'm thinking flash back of Libby at the hospital through Hurley.

Getting back to the panic and the commotion in the hatch we have to remember that Sayid was NOT there...so

according to the preview he will be the one who will be able to sit back and dispassionately start to piece things together...things such as 'This doesn't make sense' etc etc.

He will be able to do what the others in the hatch could not notice because of their preoccupation with Libby. They barely took note of Michael unless he said something.

Getting back to the panic and the commotion in the hatch we have to remember that Sayid was NOT there...so

according to the preview he will be the one who will be able to sit back and dispassionately start to piece things together...things such as 'This doesn't make sense' etc etc.

He will be able to do what the others in the hatch could not notice because of their preoccupation with Libby. They barely took note of Michael unless he said something.

Good - I'm all for more Sayid! Michael's story doesn't add up. If someone would sit down & question him they would see that.

Typical Jack always gets things wrong, Sayid will find out!

If any of them were looking at MIchael in the armory, they'd know for sure that he did it, but they were busy grieving.

I so wish that Libby could've added "shot" to her last moments. It was so frustrating when Jack cut her off. He meant well.

I did like that Libby seemed to respond to hearing Hurley's voice. I like that he was there with her, as sad as it was for him. This'll add to his guilt complex - he forgot the blankets so she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This was a preventable death.

Also, Sayid has shot himself in the arm to help someone escape before! This should be easy peasy for him to put together.

I like Jack less and less with each scene and this was it. First, the only dr on the losties side of the island starts running around saying let's go after Fenry with 2 wounded and one dead on hand.

Then he smiles at Libby and finishes her dying sentence, without really listening to all her non-verbal reactions...

I'm definitely NOT a Jack fan (most of the time he lets his emotions own him rather than thinking clearly about what's happening, that combined with his Hero complex is an irritating combination).

Anyway, I'm not a Jack fan but can't blame him for his performance, except for the Sawyer - gun thing (that was SO not the time for that and if I was Kate, I would have sat down and told Sawyer to get the heroin without me). Jack was trying his best to comfort Libby because there was absolutely nothing else he could do, hence the heroin. Plus, he was so angry with Fenry, his inability to help Libby, and the entire situation that he could barely see straight. I doubt any of us would have reacted differently under that kind of stress. It's always easier to judge when you know all the facts and aren't involved emotionally.

I just hate TPTB for dragging out another death just to tease and torture us with non-resolution.

Ah

I can bet if Kate/Sawyer/Charlie (fill in the Lostie) had been standing nearest to Libby, she/he/or they also would have said that Michael was all right...because that comment was made to soothe, not to mislead

Lets slap them all in the face ;)

Is it possible that what happened in the hatch was recorded?

I'm hoping but I doubt it. It didn't look like any of the tv's were set up with a recorder again hinting that the Pearl was the actual Skinner experiment.

I wanted to slap Jack in the face when he said that. How dense can he be? There are so many obvious things pointing to Michael; does anyone think they are going to figure it out?

I guess they don't have Agatha Christie mysteries in the hatch.
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How was he supposed to know.. he thought she was worried so didn't want her to freak & be in more pain.

I think Libby's face of horror might have been a clue.

Also, why ask for Michael, if she had been asking about someone wouldn't she ask about Ana-Lucia first?

But I agree we cant judge Jack too quickly, after all that was a spur of the moment thing he said and next epi will probably be immediately following this one on the timeline, with no time gap.

Hurley had no problem with how Jack finnished Libby's sentence. Why? Because there is NO reason to question what Michael had said. His story was perfect!
Michael's story wasn't perfect. I think that when they start to put it together, probably with Sayid's help, they will figure it out that Michael's story doesn't add up. He said 30 minutes had elapsed since Henry shot them. Why would it take 30 minutes before he would come stumbling out of the hatch? Doubt that the gunshot would would have knocked him unconsious or anything.

i know it's understandable for someone to say what Jack said to libby, but how many ppl were yelling at the screen!?

count me in for that!

After she spat, "Michael," I was waiting for Hurley to look down and see that Libby had positioned her hand into a "gun" shape. But alas.....

Michael did what he did apparently because he wants the Losties to go after the Others. Part of me was rooting for him to succeed because I WANT the confrontation with the Others (and no more episodes about Hurley's weight, or Charlie's brother's addiction).

Yes! Yes! I was sitting there wondering why I wanted Michael to get away with it, and this is why.

Some things I noticed in the previews, both for next week and the 3 week summary preview.






Michael telling Saiyd that he calls the shots for who comes and Saiyd has to stay behind; that gives me a little hope (I personally find Saiyd, Mr. Eko and even though I can't understand a word he says - Jin as the most level headed and trustworthy). Then I see Michael talking to an african american woman about how he doesn't even know if his son is dead or alive and she says he is right outside. I wonder if Michael knows about Walts abilities; he'll know what Michael did the moment he touches him, he may even kill his own dad for what he did. I think Michael was tricked by the others via the computer in the pearl (seeing when Michael is alone) to come alone if he wants to see Walt, drugged up, told he has to kill Ana Lucia, free Henry and either bring the good ones (to keep) or the bad ones (to get rid of) along with all of the guns. I think they also made Michael in charge of finishing Ethan's list, he certainly has a lot of data to give them. Just a theory

I guess they don't have Agatha Christie mysteries in the hatch.
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I think Libby's face of horror might have been a clue.

Also, why ask for Michael, if she had been asking about someone wouldn't she ask about Ana-Lucia first?

But I agree we cant judge Jack too quickly, after all that was a spur of the moment thing he said and next epi will probably be immediately following this one on the timeline, with no time gap. Libby's face wouldn't necessarily be a clue. Let's hypothesize that you were on your death bed, and you just felt something internal give out in a bad way, meaning that you have literally scant seconds left of life with no hope of reprieve. You've not reconciled yourself with the concept of dying - in fact, these are your first conscious moments, really, since being shot. I think it's fair for someone to think she was terrified of death itself, rather than Michael. We, of course, know differently.

As for asking about Michael - I forget exactly how it was described, but it's possible that everyone assumes that Libby might have seen Ana Lucia dead and Michael shot. So, to ask about the wounded guy (versus the dead woman) isn't that much of a stretch. Once again, we know better

I think that the arm shot is the most susipicious event of the sequence, from the PoV of the Losties. After all, why did two get shot in the torso but Michael was only shot in the arm?

Sayid will expose Michael and save our survivors! He has exposed henry before and he will do it again. SAYID MUST BLOW MICHAELS COVER!!
But i feel kinda sorry for Michael. He, i assume, just wants to save his son or has been manipulated by the others. So he is actually not himself.

I feel sorry for Michael too...he is NOT himself....he is doing all of this for the love of his son...whether he has been brainwashed, or working with The Others....its all about his son

Remember the season opener - Man of Science, Man of Faith? Over the course of the season, we've seen Locke's faith breaking down. I think we've also seen Jack's science/reason breaking down. The battle between science and faith remains at the heart of the whole plot. We see Locke being replaced by Eko as the head of the "faith camp." Will we see someone else (Sayid, perhaps) take over as head of the "science/reason camp?"

Jack's recent decisions have been somewhat wreckless from the standpoint of logic and reason. Confronting the Others to arrange a swap between "Henry" and Walt? C'mon. His failure to recognize that Libby's last word, "Michael," was accompanied by an expression of sheer horror would seem to be another oversight on his part (although it was a stressful moment for all present).

I have no doubt that Michael's guilt will come out - soon. Looks to me like Michael has jumped ship and is now a double agent. A mole. An Other! Hard to say what his motives are, or whether he might have been brainwashed or otherwise "converted,", but that closing scene of him in the armory screamed out, "Michael is the new 'Henry'"!! If (when) the Losties and the Others tangle again, it will be interesting to see which side Michael goes to bat for!

One other note: Libby's final expression looked alot like Heather did in that infamous scene toward the end of "The Blair Witch Project" (but, thankfully, without the snot). Another movie nod from TPTB?

I just keep thinking that that is not Michael, but a doppelganger, perhaps manifested by the Others. Of course, I am a glass-half-full person, just can't believe that beloved sweet Michael has turned into a monster, it has to be someone who looks like Michael but isn't really him. He really is creepy, FauxHenry's creepy expression fitted onto his face ..... really creepy stuff but delicious!

Yea, that was it for me too. The terror on her face as she said Michael. Also, why would she say Michael instead of Ana - she was a lot closer to Ana. That would have been the tip off to me right away.
I also thought that as well, assuming Jack knew the order in which they were shot. Although that's probably obvious because Ana was sitting down and Libby was standing when shot. I mean, why would Libby be shot and Ana sit there waiting for it (unless forced to)? So we can assume (or Jack should) that Ana was shot first.

Now consider what Michael told Jack. He said he heard the shots, didn't he? And then he came out to see what was going on. So if Libby was already shot and unconscious, how would she know Michael had been shot? Can't Jack see she wouldn't know that Michael had been shot? He's got to figure it out eventually.

I've never been one to scream at a TV before, but I did last night.
When Libby's lips pressed together I just screamed, "SAY IT!".
Best. Death. Scene. Ever.
Cripes, the look on her face when she died was just eerie.

(just a thought, maybe Ana told Eko to find the ? with John because
what Michael did to them is somewhere in the papers Eko is taking
with him)! hmmm.....
I hope so!!

I wanted to slap Jack in the face when he said that. How dense can he be? There are so many obvious things pointing to Michael; does anyone think they are going to figure it out?

I was more unnerved when Hurley told Michael he was glad he was okay. He is saying this to the guy who killed his girlfriend, & he doesn't know it! Ugh!:mad:

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