Has anyone else noticed that in ? they talked about Boone twice. one time with sawyer and another with Locke. Just seemed interesting to me that they would bring him up now.

Now you've done it.

Has anyone else noticed that in ? they talked about Boone twice. one time with sawyer and another with Locke. Just seemed interesting to me that they would bring him up now.

Are you implying something?

I think Boone was mentioned because Locke obvioulsy feels responsible for what happened to Boone and now AL and Libby. But I don't recall Boone being mentioned with Sawyer.

boone is nearly always mentioned in episodes with the beechcraft...

Locke should be feeling sorry. It was a very sad incident. But I think of course they're going to mention him during that scene. I mean, it is where he was killed. Boone...*sighs*

Who's Boone?

:jump:

Who's Boone?

That's just cold... not remembering Boone. Afterall, he did according to Locke 'sacrafice' himself for the island.

shannons borther, did you really not know what? when did you start watching?

shannons borther, did you really not know what? when did you start watching?

i think he was being sarcastic!

That's just cold... not remembering Boone. Afterall, he did according to Locke 'sacrafice' himself for the island.

I don't think Boone sacrificed himself at all. Locke offered him up as a sacrifice without telling him.

What scene was it that Sawyer mentioned Boone? I don't recall that.

What scene was it that Sawyer mentioned Boone? I don't recall that.

Boone could have got off the plane when it became unstable.. however, heard the transmission come through.. So by trying to respond and call for help, knowing his life was in danger... he sacraficed himself trying to help the losties.
That said, I agree Locke played a role, but couldn't really stop him.

Sawyer said "go off and play Daniel Boone" to Jack at the beginning. He's made this reference a number of times before, such as to Locke in the Hunting Party (at least I think).

Don't really think it has that much importance, however. Would be cool if Boone popped up in a flashback soon, though. That's the only relevance I can see from it. To sort of "jog" the memory of those who may have forgotten a bit about good ole Boone.

And how can anyone possibly claim that Locke SACRIFICED Boone?!? Locke did not know that Boone would die, and did not send Boone to his death. Following Boone's death, Locke merely ACKNOWLEDGED that Boone's death was a "sacrifice the Island demanded". And as the fourthpoliceman said above, Boone was about to leave the plane but went back to talk on the radio. That was HIS choice, not Locke's. So as sad of a death that Boone's was, people shouldn't blame Locke. Be angry for him acknowledging that it was a sacrifice the island demanded, but don't accuse him of making said sacrifice.

So as sad of a death that Boone's was, people shouldn't blame Locke. Be angry for him acknowledging that it was a sacrifice the island demanded, but don't accuse him of making said sacrifice.

Though I agree with absolute.. I do think Locke has some responsibility with Boone's death. Because of the lie Locke told Jack about the very nature of the injury, Jack's efforts were useless from the beginning. Whether Boone would have survived or not, who knows, but Locke certainly didn't help his chances.

Something was pointing them to that hatch, kinda eerie if you think about it. Locke's dream lead him to the plane that landed on top of the hatch, and Eko's dream was more like a vision. Anybody else think someone or thing is affecting there dreams?

I see a parallel between Boone's and Yemi's deaths. They both died aboard the beechcraft, their bodies were found near the question mark, and both Eko and Locke felt responsible for their deaths.

I'm not sure that Boone's death as a "sacrifice the island demanded" holds true but certainly, there was a connection that ultimately led both Eko and Locke to find the Pearl station.

I see a parallel between Boone's and Yemi's deaths. They both died aboard the beechcraft, their bodies were found near the question mark, and both Eko and Locke felt responsible for their deaths.

I'm not sure that Boone's death as a "sacrifice the island demanded" holds true but certainly, there was a connection that ultimately led both Eko and Locke to find the Pearl station.

Understand what you are saying, but does the fact that Boone didn't die on the plane, but in the cave change anything?

The beechcraft was where he suffered major trauma and it was what led to his death. So, no.

I think that Locke is the new Boone and Eko is the new Locke........
Know what I mean?

No, Locke is the new Eko and Eko is the new Locke.

I think that Locke is the new Boone and Eko is the new Locke........
Know what I mean?

There's gonna be alot of upset fans if that happens. Personally, that'd be very interesting to watch.

I see what you mean, LouisianaLostie. I hope not, though.

No, Locke is the new Eko and Eko is the new Locke.

I think that's true, too.
I was thinking in master/disciple or teacher/student kind of way.

I think that's true, too.
I was thinking in master/disciple or teacher/student kind of way.

Only their characters represent two different sides of faith. Eko could learn alot from Locke as Locke could learn alot from Eko.

I am very interested in their dynamic. Ecko has rapidly become one of my favorite characters.

Hey...C'mon...Locke didn't offer BOONE as a sacrificial lamb...any more than Sayid offered Shannon up to Ana's bullet.

Boone saw a chance at grabbing a fresh radio, in which to communicate with the outside world. That's why BOONE climbed up inside the unstable aircraft. To hopefully make contact with the outside world.

If you remember correctly...Locke was writhing around in pain...because his legs ceased to function. And BOONE was the younger of the two...with functioning legs...So he was sent to find out what Locke's vision was.

[Shot of the plane balanced partly on a cliff and trees.]

BOONE: Is that the plane you saw?
LOCKE: As best I can tell.
BOONE: You really saw it?
LOCKE: Yeah, I really saw it.
BOONE: How long do you think it's been there?
LOCKE: Doesn't matter. What's important is that we found it. What's important is what's inside it.
BOONE: What is inside of it, John?
LOCKE: You're going to have to climb up there for us and find out.

[We see Boone climbing up to the plane while Locke looks on. Boone slips.]

LOCKE: Hang on.
[Boone keeps climbing and gets inside the plane. He finds of map of Nigeria/Africa. The plane tilts, Boone falls, and a body falls on him. Boone screams.]

LOCKE: Boone? Boone?
BOONE: I'm fine.
[Locke starts walking toward the plane.]
LOCKE: Boone, what do you see? Boone?
BOONE: Want to know what's in your damn plane, Locke?
[We see a crate with some Virgin Mary statues. Boone takes one and throws is down to Locke.]
BOONE: Here's your sign.
[The statue breaks open to reveal baggies of heroin.]

BOONE: They're drug smugglers, Locke. Heroin, that's all that's in here.
LOCKE: I don't understand. I don't understand.
[Boone finds another map then looks at the instrument panel. He tries the radio and hears static. The plane starts toppling over, but stops.]

LOCKE: Boone, Boone, get out!
BOONE : Hello. Hello. Anybody out there? Mayday, mayday.
LOCKE: Boone, there's no time. Get out now.
RADIO VOICE: Is someone there?
BOONE: Hello. Hello. Can you hear me?
RADIO VOICE: Repeat your transmission please.
BOONE: Hello. We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic flight 815, please copy.
LOCKE [overlapping with Boone]: Boone, get out!
RADIO VOICE: Hello. [I]We're the survivors of Oceanic flight 815.
LOCKE [overlapping]: Boone, get out!!!

[The plane falls and flips over. Locke struggles to get up and gets Boone to carry him back to Jack.]

In my opinion, Locke was trying to save Boone by telling him to get OUT of the plane...But Boone wasn't listening...preoccupied with the radio. It's as much Boone's fault as it is Locke's. I also realize Locke lied to Jack about Boone's injuries...but I think that was our man of faith not wanting to have to explain his "visions" to our man of science.

But my BIGGER theory...is that Locke found the first hatch...because he was SUPPOSE to. But he was not SUPPOSE to find the Pearl hatch...If his legs had been fully functioning...he probably would have been the one to climb up the cliff and look inside the plane....and possibly look down at Boone and see the "question mark" salted on the ground. But this was not his destiny. That's why every time we see Locke at the Beechcraft site...his legs are always malfunctioning. The first time with the shrapnel incident with the trebuchet...the second time with his blast door injury. That's because...

It was Eko's destiny to find the Pearl hatch...Not Locke's.

The island is selecting the course of their destiny.

Interesting.......

Understand what you are saying, but does the fact that Boone didn't die on the plane, but in the cave change anything? Refresh my memory, wasn't Yemi's body off the plane when they found it? So both Boone & Yemi received their fatal injury on the plane but died off it?

Ator, I agree completely with what you said about Locke/Boone. Locke was NOT responsible for Boone's death, and didn't LEAD him to it or anything of the sorts. But yeah, he could have stayed with Boone and Jack to help Jack TRY to fix him (although hindsight says it was probably to no avail)

Yemi was shot OFF the plane, and was found dead ON it (eko burnt his brother with the plane).

Boone was injured ON the plane, and died OFF it.

So there's a few differences.

Ator, Boone didn't go into the plane to use the radio. He never said anything about that and didn't look for it when he went into the plane. He just tried to use it once he saw it. He went into the plane because Locke told him it had something that would help them open the hatch. That's what he was looking for.

I don't know if Locke sacrificed Boone intentionally, but I don't think it can be discounted out of hand. I've read some pretty convincing arguments that Locke did sacrifice Boone because of his faith in the island and fear of being paralyzed again. What's undeniable is that he deceived Boone into going into the plane by only telling him favorable parts of his dream and leaving out the part of Boone being covered in blood after looking up at the plane.

It's as much Boone's fault as it is Locke's. I also realize Locke lied to Jack about Boone's injuries...but I think that was our man of faith not wanting to have to explain his "visions" to our man of science.

He wouldn't have had to. He simply could've said he and Boone found the plane while exploring.

Ator, Boone didn't go into the plane to use the radio. He never said anything about that and didn't look for it when he went into the plane. He just tried to use it once he saw it. He went into the plane because Locke told him it had something that would help them open the hatch. That's what he was looking for.

I don't know if Locke sacrificed Boone intentionally, but I don't think it can be discounted out of hand. I've read some pretty convincing arguments that Locke did sacrifice Boone because of his faith in the island and fear of being paralyzed again. What's undeniable is that he deceived Boone into going into the plane by only telling him favorable parts of his dream and leaving out the part of Boone being covered in blood after looking up at the plane.
If Boone got out of the plane rather than going back for the radio, he wouldn't have died. How can Locke have intentionally lead Boone to his death, when he didn't even know that Boone would die? Listen to the transcripts, all the "Boone, Get out!" dialogue suggests that Locke was genuinely worried for him.

And I'm sure if Locke had the ability to use his legs, HE would have been the one to have gone up into the beachcraft.

Locke's screaming at the island "I gave you everything you've asked for" really makes me think that, while maybe Locke didn't mean for Boone to die originally, it didn't bother him, and that he GLADLY, HAPPILY gave Boone's life to the island.

WOULD HE GIVE HIS OWN SO EASILY?

If Boone got out of the plane rather than going back for the radio, he wouldn't have died.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. By the time Boone saw the radio and Locke was telling him to get out, the beechcraft had already been shaken very far off the cliff, such that I doubt Boone could've made it out alive.

How can Locke have intentionally lead Boone to his death, when he didn't even know that Boone would die? Listen to the transcripts, all the "Boone, Get out!" dialogue suggests that Locke was genuinely worried for him.

It's not that Locke knew Boone would die or wasn't worried about him (obviously he was). It's that he manipulated Boone into a dangerous situation (hence bloody Boone in the dream) at the request of the island and because he was being threatened with being paralyzed again. Who knows if it's true or not (I doubt the writers even do), but since Locke already had no qualms about telling Boone to take an extreme risk with his life to find something that would supposedly open the hatch, it's not a stretch for me to think he would put Boone into a position of being sacrificed for Locke's legs and his Island God.