These UK epi threads are there for those who want to chat about epis with UK fans, because we seem to be so far behind everyone else. Many of the equivalent dedicated epiosode threads on the Lage contain spoilers now. If you are from outisde the UK, or are/have been 'spoiled', please be aware that this is the latest episode here, feel free to post, but please respect those here that haven't seen beyond ...And Found. Thank you. M

I always love the Sun/Jin-sentric episodes, and this was no exception. Nice to see Locke in counsellor mode once more with Sun in her garden.

And what about that teddy bear eh?

M

Just about to watch the 12:00AM repeat, I don't really remember much about this episode so I'm really looking forward to seeing it again, adverts be damned...

Yeah that teddy bear was creepy! I think they have started to create a very 'real' sense of fear and menace in the Others, finding the body (I think Eko said he was called Goodwin) seemed to speak louder than words.
I really enjoyed this episode, it was good to get some decent time with the Tailies, starting to pick up on their characters, Mr Eko is cool and I don't hate Ana Lucia like alot of people seemed too.
Michael was a little odd in this episode, he seemed very erratic. I know he is frantic about Walt being missing, but he seems to be a little manic with it.

Also - Libby, Bernard and to an extent Eko (although he is more confident with it) appear to be extremely fearful and jumpy.

Our orginal 'losties' have always been able to pay respects to their dead, whereas poor old Goodwin was just left on a spike in the jungle, and no-one dared go retrieve the body. I'm looking forward to seeing / hearing the Tailies story!

"they don't leave tracks" - an interesting observation, especially as Locke managed to track Ethan a fair way. Perhaps Ethan was on his own, an outcasted 'Other'? How are they moving around the jungle, is it purely by stealth and knowledge of the area?

Teddy bear = a 16 year old Alex??

"they don't leave tracks" - an interesting observation, especially as Locke managed to track Ethan a fair way. Perhaps Ethan was on his own, an outcasted 'Other'? How are they moving around the jungle, is it purely by stealth and knowledge of the area?

Perhaps this isn't the same group of 'Others' that our Losties encountered (ie. Ethan's 'Others').

Maybe the tracks that Locke followed were just Charlie and Claires, maybe Ethan didn't leave any.

Maybe the tracks that Locke followed were just Charlie and Claires, maybe Ethan didn't leave any.

I remember the 'three distinct tracks' bit. Thinking on from the teddy bear thing, perhaps this is another child that has been taken from elsewhere? They did seem a little bit more 'native' looking with the dirty legs and bare feet, whereas Ethan and the guys on the boat could have passed for lostaways.

We now have heard of the following people who were on the island prior to the crash - I wonder how and even if these relate to each other?

- Danielle
- The 'others' who took Alex
- Ethan
- 'Bluebeard' and his crew
- Desmond
- Kelvin
- The gang with the teddy bears

Plus the crew of the Black Rock, and whoever was in the plane that Boone and Locke found.

I remember the 'three distinct tracks' bit. Thinking on from the teddy bear thing, perhaps this is another child that has been taken from elsewhere? They did seem a little bit more 'native' looking with the dirty legs and bare feet, whereas Ethan and the guys on the boat could have passed for lostaways.

We now have heard of the following people who were on the island prior to the crash - I wonder how and even if these relate to each other?

- Danielle
- The 'others' who took Alex
- Ethan
- 'Bluebeard' and his crew
- Desmond
- Kelvin
- The gang with the teddy bears

Isn't it safe to assume that the Others who took Alex, Bluebeard & co and the teddy bear gang are all part of the same collection of people? Maybe Ethan aswell.

Did it seem like all the legs that walked past belonged to kids and teenagers? I can't decide, they all looked to be young, the kid at the end we know for sure because of the teddy but the rest of those legs looked to belong to kids too...

Isn't it safe to assume that the Others who took Alex, Bluebeard & co and the teddy bear gang are all part of the same collection of people? Maybe Ethan aswell.

I'm not sure it's safe to assume much in respect of Lost Finn! :D

Plus the crew of the Black Rock, and whoever was in the plane that Boone and Locke found.

Yeah, the smuggling priests, but I assumed they were all gonners (there's that word again!)

And Adam and Eve come to think of it, but I'm assuming they were from the Black Rock - could try to confirm it, but I'm too scared to look at any of the timelines on this site in case it ruins what is to come!

Yeah, the smuggling priests, but I assumed they were all gonners (there's that word again!)

And Adam and Eve come to think of it, but I'm assuming they were from the Black Rock - could try to confirm it, but I'm too scared to look at any of the timelines on this site in case it ruins what is to come!

Locke and Boone saw one of the priests in the jungle, Locke took the gun from him, and Boone saw another dead rotting priest in the plane, I think those beechcrafts are two or three man planes at most so it'd be a safe assumption that they are dead...

Though it begs the question, what kind of priests carry guns and smuggle heroin?

Adam & Eve would be much more recent that the crew of the Black Rock, the slaves in the hold of the Black Rock had become skeletonised whereas Adam & Eve still had some clothes left, I think Jack said they'd been there for about 50 or 60 years? I'd have to watch the episode again to be sure...

Isn't it safe to assume that the Others who took Alex, Bluebeard & co and the teddy bear gang are all part of the same collection of people? Maybe Ethan aswell.

I'd always thought the guys who took Walt (Bluebeard and co) were the Others. After all 16 odd years ago the Others took Rousseau's son and Bluebeard's only seemed to want Walt

Yeah, the smuggling priests, but I assumed they were all gonners (there's that word again!)

And Adam and Eve come to think of it, but I'm assuming they were from the Black Rock - could try to confirm it, but I'm too scared to look at any of the timelines on this site in case it ruins what is to come!

Yes, don't touch those timelines because they will spoil you m_j

M

I think that maybe Adam & Eve were the DeGroots from the Orientation film, though the timeline doesn't match up.

Talking of the plane with the drugs on....

The people on that plane were supposedly Nigerian (if I remember rightly???). One of the newly-found survivors, Mr Eko, is almost certainly Nigerian. Now, knowing the creators of this programme, it's probably not a coincicence. I mean, my first thoughts when he introduced himself was that he had something to do with the drug-smuggling plane, but no idea what.

Anyone got any ideas on this? Or am I just suffering from Lost-induced paranoia? :undecide:

Talking of the plane with the drugs on....

The people on that plane were supposedly Nigerian (if I remember rightly???). One of the newly-found survivors, Mr Eko, is almost certainly Nigerian. Now, knowing the creators of this programme, it's probably not a coincicence. I mean, my first thoughts when he introduced himself was that he had something to do with the drug-smuggling plane, but no idea what.

Anyone got any ideas on this? Or am I just suffering from Lost-induced paranoia? :undecide:

heh - yeah, i just assumed he was on flight 815... :confused:

The paranoia is bad - i spent last night on another forum trying to convince people Jack's tattoo keeps switching arms, started doubting myself by the end!

Yeah I suppose you can't assume anything. How many different groups of people acan there be? This island is gonna be more populated than China soon. lol

Yeah I suppose you can't assume anything. How many different groups of people acan there be? This island is gonna be more populated than China soon. lol

I seem to remember something in one of the Exodus episodes where Claire remembers scratching Danielle in her escape from Ethan. Do we think that Danielle helped her escape or was in cohoots with Ethan??

Or maybe I dreamt it.

Unless we are having the same dreams (which is weird) that did happen, I remember it too. I think we find out this season what happened to Claire.

Wow. I commend those who have not succumbed to the spoilers or the bittorrent downloads of Lost episodes. I, for one, can never do that.

At least you guys wont have any breaks. It flows much better, and the division of the 3act season2 opus is pretty apparent.

I loved this episode.
I always assumed The Others were all together, but now I am not so sure... The reason for this is that The Others Mr Eko and Jin saw had rough, ripped clothes. Whereas Ethan had clothes that were not in to bada shape...

Also nice to see how Sun and Jin met, and that she found her wedding ring in the end..

Also nice to see how Sun and Jin met, and that she found her wedding ring in the end..

i agree - and I like the way they've developed Jin's backstory. I think everyone had a low impression of him in the beginning, without knowing his past and the issue of him coming from a poor family and trying to gain acceptance. He also has the struggle of the things he's forced into doing for Mr Paik, while still hiding the nature of her fathers business from her. I quite like the guy now.

I have to agree in saying that I absolutely love the Jin/Sun backstory. His struggle with his inner demons really is fascinating at times. I'm always touched when I go back and watch 'In Translation' from series 1, with Jin admitting to his father that he was ashamed of him. The class issue is dealt with very sensitively by the writers IMHO.

I didn't like the flashbacks in this episode, just because I personally thought that they were kinda boring.
But I felt that seeing Eko a lot more really made up for it. To me he's becoming the new Locke! But I think it's great that they seem to be complete opposites, Locke seems unassuming, but Eko just looks so much tougher! (But just as good a tracker, and as good with knives as Locke is).
After all, Locke brought a case of 500 (I think), but Eko makes his own!

I didn't like the flashbacks in this episode, just because I personally thought that they were kinda boring.
But I felt that seeing Eko a lot more really made up for it. To me he's becoming the new Locke! But I think it's great that they seem to be complete opposites, Locke seems unassuming, but Eko just looks so much tougher! (But just as good a tracker, and as good with knives as Locke is).
After all, Locke brought a case of 500 (I think), but Eko makes his own!

Hey, Mr Eko is cool but there is only 1 Locke!!!

Mr Eko makes quite good things maybe him and Locke can share tips. That knife! He is also a good tracker. But we don't need another Locke. But Mr Eko seems more peaceful but also does Locke for now (because he is not lost)

Mr Eko makes quite good things maybe him and Locke can share tips. That knife! He is also a good tracker. But we don't need another Locke. But Mr Eko seems more peaceful but also does Locke for now (because he is not lost)

Has it ever been stated that Mr Eko was on the plane? He could well be Nigerian, and related to the drug running 'Priests'?

I disagree that he's like Locke, Eko doesn't seem to be tuned into and dependant on the island in the same way. Not seen that much of him yet mind. He just appears to be more practical and physical than spiritual.

I loved this episode.
I always assumed The Others were all together, but now I am not so sure... The reason for this is that The Others Mr Eko and Jin saw had rough, ripped clothes. Whereas Ethan had clothes that were not in to bada shape...


Bearing in mind that Ethan managed to sneak in the camp without the Lostees noticing, he could easily nicked the suitcase of one of the dead passengers.

I noticed that and if you look closely the same three sets of legs go past three times which is very wierd and the fact that they looked so shabby as you pointed out.

anyway i loved this episode i think its a firm favourate in season 2 even though i wasnt sure about the past Jin and Sun episodes this one is very well done and i now think Jin is very cool, not that he wasnt before like.

"they don't leave tracks" - an interesting observation, especially as Locke managed to track Ethan a fair way. Perhaps Ethan was on his own, an outcasted 'Other'? How are they moving around the jungle, is it purely by stealth and knowledge of the area?

Teddy bear = a 16 year old Alex??
I've not read the rest of the thread, so excusez moi if someone else has said this. However, I thought Locke was tracking Claire and Charlie's tracks rather than Ethans?

Also, I personally think the kid with the bear was much younger than 16.

That said, I found tonight's episode quite good. It might not have had the shocking events the first two or three did, but I finally saw a Sun/Jin flashback episode I found interesting! *falls over* :P

EDIT: Someone else beat me to it ¬.¬

I've not read the rest of the thread, so excusez moi if someone else has said this. However, I thought Locke was tracking Claire and Charlie's tracks rather than Ethans?

Also, I personally think the kid with the bear was much younger than 16.

That said, I found tonight's episode quite good. It might not have had the shocking events the first two or three did, but I finally saw a Sun/Jin flashback episode I found interesting! *falls over* :P

EDIT: Someone else beat me to it ¬.¬

I'm sure there was a '3 distinct sets of tracks' line in there somewhere.

Plus whoever was in the cave

I'm sure there was a '3 distinct sets of tracks' line in there somewhere.
yeah i think Locke does definately say that. The person holding the bear does looks quite older, so maybe 13-16?!?! but no younger

Something I occasionally notice, and I noticed again in this episode is Jin's handcuff on his wrist. It's not exactly a big deal, but I love the way it's stayed there, continuity- wise for over twenty episodes!

Something I occasionally notice, and I noticed again in this episode is Jin's handcuff on his wrist. It's not exactly a big deal, but I love the way it's stayed there, continuity- wise for over twenty episodes!

and have you noticed that not one of the tailies is slighty curious about the handcuff being on his arm, me i think i would want to know why lol

and have you noticed that not one of the tailies is slighty curious about the handcuff being on his arm, me i think i would want to know why lol
i'd have thought Ana-Lucia would be suspicious as she spent some time with them in the hole and they have 'trust issues'.

Maybe we have to assume that converstion isn't important enough to be part of the program but probably happened. They haven't really shared much info about each others groups at all, probably cause of Ana's 'no talking when walking' policy.

Maybe we have to assume that converstion isn't important enough to be part of the program but probably happened. They haven't really shared much info about each others groups at all, probably cause of Ana's 'no talking when walking' policy.
Well i hope they will share things about each other groups. Well Ana did say 'let's swap stories while we are on the road' or something simular like that but she said it sarcasticly.

Maybe we have to assume that converstion isn't important enough to be part of the program but probably happened. They haven't really shared much info about each others groups at all, probably cause of Ana's 'no talking when walking' policy.

I suppose it can work either way.

Basically, the writers don't have enough time each week to show them talking about things that happened the previous week - it would be boring and it wouldn't make great TV. You can either assume that they tell each other eveything (which I don't believe), or you can look at their siutation and take the view that they don't tell each other everything. I take the second view, and I believe that in their situation somebody like Jack wouldn't want every piece of information getting back to the group as a whole, because if that happened, it might create disorder amongst the group.

We've already seen tension between various members of the group, and if they all started to come up with different ideas about what to do, as a result of the passing on of such information, it might create anarchy amongst the Losties.

I think it's safe to assume that not everyone knows what's in the Hatch.... we've seen that with Rose. That's just one example.

M

We've already seen tension between various members of the group, and if they all started to come up with different ideas about what to do, as a result of the passing on of such information, it might create anarchy amongst the Losties.

I think it's safe to assume that not everyone knows what's in the Hatch.... we've seen that with Rose. That's just one example.


Thats the one thing (only ONE) that I don't think is 'real' about LOST, all the survivors know that this island is freaky and that there is a hatch but most of the 40 or so survivors don't seem to care whats down there and will happily let Jack control information. That I don't buy.
If I weren't cool enough to be part of the merry-band of explorers as Artz says (obviously I would be!) I'd of been down that hatch with or without Jacks permission the morning after it was blown open, I know curiosity kills the cat but if Locke, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Rose all came out alive I think I'd risk it, or at least ask someone!!! whats wrong with them all? St. Jacks brainwashed them or maybe they're scared he'll start crying again if they ask.

Thats the one thing (only ONE) that I don't think is 'real' about LOST, all the survivors know that this island is freaky and that there is a hatch but most of the 40 or so survivors don't seem to care whats down there and will happily let Jack control information. That I don't buy.
If I weren't cool enough to be part of the merry-band of explorers as Artz says (obviously I would be!) I'd of been down that hatch with or without Jacks permission the morning after it was blown open, I know curiosity kills the cat but if Locke, Jack, Kate, Hurley and Rose all came out alive I think I'd risk it, or at least ask someone!!! whats wrong with them all? St. Jacks brainwashed them or maybe they're scared he'll start crying again if they ask.

Some people are different to others. Some are leaders, and some are followers. There will doubtless be people amongst the survivors who are happy for the 'cool group' to do the investigating and control the information. It's just the way groups of people work together.

Also, they need to maintain a presence on the beach... in case the Others (or whoever) come along. You couldn't have everyone off hunting for things on their own, or you'd almost certainly lose people - live together or die alone.

Some people are different to others. Some are leaders, and some are followers. There will doubtless be people amongst the survivors who are happy for the 'cool group' to do the investigating and control the information. It's just the way groups of people work together.

Also, they need to maintain a presence on the beach... in case the Others (or whoever) come along. You couldn't have everyone off hunting for things on their own, or you'd almost certainly lose people - live together or die alone.

I agree with that to an extent but it's only Locke (and Sayid a little bit) who will stand up for himself and won't let Jack order him about. The rest of them can't all be that happy with Jack the dictator. Im waiting for the revolution to happen in S3 where Scott or Steve stands up to Jack and takes over, that'll really give him something to cry about.
If I were a lostie I would've lost some of my faith in Jack as the leader by now, he is blinded to the fact that weird stuff is happening and he's even seen alot of it! The man has issues.

I agree with that to an extent but it's only Locke (and Sayid a little bit) who will stand up for himself and won't let Jack order him about. The rest of them can't all be that happy with Jack the dictator. Im waiting for the revolution to happen in S3 where Scott or Steve stands up to Jack and takes over, that'll really give him something to cry about.
If I were a lostie I would've lost some of my faith in Jack as the leader by now, he is blinded to the fact that weird stuff is happening and he's even seen alot of it! The man has issues.

Well, I'm not sure Sawyer likes the fact that Jack's in charge. Also, remember what Locke said to Jack all those episodes ago about being their leader.... "And yet they all treat you like one". I think they all look to Jack because he took charge on that first day, by helping people. His being a doctor is key to why they accepted him as their initial leader. I think they do accept him as their leader.... and we know that Jack is the writers' "hero".

If you have issues with Jack, then fair enough. I agree, he has those issues with believing in the Island weirdness.... but that doesn't mean he's not a good leader. At least he's remaining objective.... and he's never put anyone's life in danger.... unlike some of the other characters.

Well, I'm not sure Sawyer likes the fact that Jack's in charge. Also, remember what Locke said to Jack all those episodes ago about being their leader.... "And yet they all treat you like one". I think they all look to Jack because he took charge on that first day, by helping people. His being a doctor is key to why they accepted him as their initial leader. I think they do accept him as their leader.... and we know that Jack is the writers' "hero".

If you have issues with Jack, then fair enough. I agree, he has those issues with believing in the Island weirdness.... but that doesn't mean he's not a good leader. At least he's remaining objective.... and he's never put anyone's life in danger.... unlike some of the other characters.

Im too hard on Jack I know (just like his father!) he's a good character. I think he is a good leader and I can see why he is treated as one, I just find it hard to believe that only a handful of people at the most stand up to him. Maybe that says more about them than it does him.

Well, I'm not sure Sawyer likes the fact that Jack's in charge. Also, remember what Locke said to Jack all those episodes ago about being their leader.... "And yet they all treat you like one". I think they all look to Jack because he took charge on that first day, by helping people. His being a doctor is key to why they accepted him as their initial leader. I think they do accept him as their leader.... and we know that Jack is the writers' "hero".

If you have issues with Jack, then fair enough. I agree, he has those issues with believing in the Island weirdness.... but that doesn't mean he's not a good leader. At least he's remaining objective.... and he's never put anyone's life in danger.... unlike some of the other characters.

I have to agree Jack might not be the most emotionally stable :cry: of the characters but he does without a doubt make a good leader, for instance i think that he would make a better leader than Locke, i know Locke knows all *bows* but i think he would risk lives and Jack just wouldnt do that ever, maybe Jack's way of crying and letting out emotion is just waryness from looking after 42 people for so many days, i think i would loose it if everyone was coming to me with their problems but i dont think i would want to annoy everyone else, with my need to know everything thats going on.