Is there something on that side of the island that keeps the others away? ms. klugh said that they couldnt go get him, but micheal could. And also they couldnt just go and capture jack n the other losties, they also had to have michael bring them back. Whats up with all this having to kidnap people and cant go to the losties camp. why not just go to the losties camp in the begining and be like<omg u crashed here, well help you". and then just taint some water and give it to them and end of story,lol, althought probably be no show. any thoughts.

When Walt started going on about the Others "pretending" to be something they're not, I began to wonder if this group of Others is just part of the whole Hanso/ Dharma experimental game. Perhaps they are performing some kind of psych test to see how far a father would be willing to go to save his son- even a son that he was not with for most of the child's life.

Who knows?? Just another shot in the dark here!

My guess is the "security system" smoke monster prevents them from going to that side of the island in droves.

Remember, they were able to get to the tailies and take/attack them... but they've never been able to get to the losties' side.
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If they want Locke why don't they just send everyone after him. In my opinion I think the others could kick the losties arse. They should just go in there and take everyone they need.

Remember, they were able to get to the tailies and take/attack them... but they've never been able to get to the losties' side.
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It still doesn't quite add up, since Ethan was able to get to their camp without ill effect. He also reportedly had help in kidnapping Claire & Charlie.

My guess is the "security system" smoke monster prevents them from going to that side of the island in droves.

You are right on SIER....

I think "Smokey" was created so these "Others" cant get to the swan. They sent Henry by himself hoping he would not get caught by "Smokey" but he got caught by Danielle.

I wonder where Danielle falls into all this. I would love to see her again but it looks like we have to wait to Season 3 to see her again.

It may have to do with Smokey and the different sides of the island, but for sure Ethan could go over there. And Fenry's been over there for awhile.

I'm thinking it has to do with their greater plans. I'm not even sure that Ms. Klugh was telling the truth about Fenry. She says Fenry was captured. Ok, he's currently a captive when she's saying that, but the capture part might be a lie. He could have been planted, with the purpose of all of this unfolding (i.e.: Michael being sent to get him and bringing back those 4 people...)
I wouldn't put that past the Others.

I think it has more to do with directly interfering with the experiments. My impression is, they can't just go marching into the swan hatch, and they can't just go marching into the losties camp because there are all sorts of experiments going on and they don't want to mess with them.

They want to keep the auora that they are mysterious and they also want to hide their identities.

I think it has more to do with directly interfering with the experiments. My impression is, they can't just go marching into the swan hatch, and they can't just go marching into the losties camp because there are all sorts of experiments going on and they don't want to mess with them.

That's a good one, the most logical. If Ethan got through, more can. Maybe certain Others can go, but not all. I am starting to think that the crash was the beginning of a new experiment. And, the Others can not give themselves away in numbers, but a small hunting party could work.

This seems to hinge more on what "He" lets them do. They have been instructed to let the survivors live as they are. Defend themselves and as much of the secrets of the Island as they can. And, there is probably not enough vaccine for many Others to go across the island and risk carrying or contrcating the sickness.

The sickness will play a bigger role in the scheme of it all IMHO.

The most likely explanation is smokey is definitely guarding them. IN fact, that first night on the island when the losties heard smokey / alarm going off in the woods, I think the others must have been trying to infiltrate them only to be stopped by a billowly cloud of awesomeness.

The most likely explanation is smokey is definitely guarding them. IN fact, that first night on the island when the losties heard smokey / alarm going off in the woods, I think the others must have been trying to infiltrate them only to be stopped by a billowly cloud of awesomeness.

I have that same impression. The smoke was attacking SOMETHING that first night. I love the idea that at some point we can go back and re-visit that first day of the crash from The Other's perspective and watch them get totally stomped by Smokey.

Sier, that is a great idea that at some point they could replay that from the other's perspective. It looks like we're being setup to emphasize with Alex, so perhaps she will get an island flashback.

If we do assume that the monster is preventing the others from coming for the losties, and that is why they are having michael do their dirty work, we must ask why it is that Fenry was able to pass into their area with no difficulty?

Could it have something to do with his declaration of "I'm not a bad person" while at gun point? Cerberus (smokey) was likely scanning ecko and locke to see if they were "good" or "bad" and they checked out ok. So is something special about Fenry that makes him "good" instead of "bad" like the others?

and remember the others are stealing "good" people, maybe they need recruits that can travel to areas of the island that they cant. maybe henry was taken because he was "good" which would explain why they sent him to go get some of the losties.

Ethan was the only other other that was able to come in, but we know he might have been using the sea for access.

any other thoughts?

I don't think Smokey is the only reason the Others keep away from the Lostie side of the island. Why couldn't they just come from the ocean? Supposedly that's what Ethan did in "Homecoming" when he came for Sceve in the dead of night.

Also, the Losties seem to travel from the beach to the Swan station constantly, without ever encountering the smoke monster. Yet it appears that the Others did not have access to the Swan, or its cache of weapons. Henry seemed genuinely fascinated to be there, despite his deriding of its importance to Locke. He didn't seem to know what was happening when lockdown started either.

I think it's most likely that the Others want to reveal themselves as little as possible, whether it's to avoid contamination of ongoing psychological experiments or something else.

It's interesting that of the 40-odd Losties, the list given to Michael contained three of the four people who encountered the Others in the woods...and Hurley. Locke wasn't on the list, and whether or not you trust what Henry said, he is the only one we have been told was selected by the Others as "good."

Maybe they want to eliminate a bunch of "bad" people, either by imprisoning them, killing them, or just transporting them off the island like they offered to do with Michael and Walt. But what did Hurley ever do to attract their attention? He seems to be the odd man out.

"One of these kids is not like the Others..."

I have that same impression. The smoke was attacking SOMETHING that first night. I love the idea that at some point we can go back and re-visit that first day of the crash from The Other's perspective and watch them get totally stomped by Smokey.That's a really good idea! I would love to see the crash from the others' perspective. Maybe we'll get to see that next season. Maybe an Alex flashback?

P.S. I love your avi sier!

Hey Losties, Don't have a hard answer on the Others sending for people? I felt that maybe it has something to do with the illness, maybe??? But it has been pointed out that Ethan and Goodwin were in both camps of losties. The thing that puzzles me even more is "why the Others want Fenry back?" In the last ep we saw Fenry tell Locke that his people would kill him or have him killed, because of being caught. He could have been lying, but it was a likely option.However Fenry must be important for them to want him back. What does everyone else think?:cool:

Two points...
1) We might see some of the Other perspective in the finale next week since the crash is supposed to be explained...in fact it would surprise me if we didn't.

2) Also, why send Michael to get Fenry when Jack was coming out to trade Fenry originally. There is obviously something else going on here. Zeke could have come out and simply said, we'll trade Michael for Fenry when Jack and Kate were out in the woods...

Remember, they were able to get to the tailies and take/attack them... but they've never been able to get to the losties' side.
:confused:didn't Ethen go to their side? He got Claire and Charlie.

Two points...
1) We might see some of the Other perspective in the finale next week since the crash is supposed to be explained...in fact it would surprise me if we didn't.

2) Also, why send Michael to get Fenry when Jack was coming out to trade Fenry originally. There is obviously something else going on here. Zeke could have come out and simply said, we'll trade Michael for Fenry when Jack and Kate were out in the woods...

Totally agree on both points......can't add anything though because its just too hard to theorise anymore about what is going on!

Is there something on that side of the island that keeps the others away? ms. klugh said that they couldnt go get him, but micheal could. And also they couldnt just go and capture jack n the other losties, they also had to have michael bring them back. Whats up with all this having to kidnap people and cant go to the losties camp. why not just go to the losties camp in the begining and be like<omg u crashed here, well help you". and then just taint some water and give it to them and end of story,lol, althought probably be no show. any thoughts.


couuld it not just be as simple as the fact that they have lost several people....
1. fenry
2. goodwin
3. ethan
4. unamed others that anna and eko killed

2) Also, why send Michael to get Fenry when Jack was coming out to trade Fenry originally. There is obviously something else going on here. Zeke could have come out and simply said, we'll trade Michael for Fenry when Jack and Kate were out in the woods...


That wouldn't have worked because Michael didn't want to go back and live with the Losties without Walt. They would have made the trade and sent Michael back with Jack and Kate, then he'd be outside of their control again, and would probably come after Walt in a potentially unpredictable way.

This way, they get Henry back, they get Michael back, they use what Michael has seen to perpetuate their illusion among the Losties, they keep Walt, and they get Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley to boot. And I'm sure they're prepared to deal with those four, whether or not they're suspicious of Michael and coming to wage war.


couuld it not just be as simple as the fact that they have lost several people....


That's probably part of it. They've lost 5 people by my count. Those losses could have been prevented though, if they hadn't been sneaking around in the dark in their hooded monk robes kidnapping people, and sending lone Others across the island with false stories to accomplish seemingly complicated and difficult tasks. So I doubt it's just as simple as that.

That's a really good idea! I would love to see the crash from the others' perspective. Maybe we'll get to see that next season. Maybe an Alex flashback?

P.S. I love your avi sier!

Thanks! =]

I'm hoping they do something cool like revisit the first few days from someone else's perspective. One of my favorite series of movies is Back to the Future simply because they do the "revisit the old scenes" and it's cool to think "wow, that was all going on while I watched the first one". It's a very cool way to tell a story, which is probably why I enjoy LOST so much. It's like seeing all your favorite parts that got you hooked to the show, but from another angle and a totally different story.

I do not think that the others can touch the losties in an aggressive way near the magnet. I think that the magnet protects them. Ethan did not kidnap Claire and Charlie until they were away from camp. Zeke did not take Kate, Sawyer and Jack because they were on the other side of the line. I do not think they can cross it. They Tailie were not protected and were attacked from day one. I always found it odd they they were attacked several times when the main group was left alone. This is why I think they need Michael to get Fenry because they could not cross the Magnetic magic line.

It does appear there's an area into which The Others can't/won't go.

There's a notation on the map that CVII (drawn to the right side of the Swan Station) has been INACTIVE SINCE ACCIDENT. So maybe something happened in the area that makes The Others afraid of going there.

My best guess: we'll get hints about that during the Finale. But we won't get any solid facts until deep in Season 3.

I'm in the Cerebus camp. I think it's ancient--FAR predating the Others or the Losties, maybe predating humans. I think it's protecting whatever's at the Question Mark in the center of the map; I think the Others want desperately to get to whatever is there, and I think Cerebus knows it. I think that early on Cerebus assumed that the Losties were like the Others, but by observing them (and scanning Locke and Eko) it's figured out they're no threat, so it leaves them alone (unless maybe they get too close to what it's protecting).

I think Cerebus is what's kept the Others from attacking the Losties--it's just too dangerous to move into its territory in force. In fact, I think that the line the Losties aren't supposed to cross is actually the line the Others dare not cross. And I think both Ethan and Fenry took a huge risk getting so close to it, and I'm sure as they approached the Losties camp they stayed as far away from it as possible.

I think it's their twisted morality. Like the whole good people bad people thing. How could Fenry think he's not a bad person after the manipulation and lies he had put forth that were to result in harm to others?

It's the same twisted morality that thinks it's not ok for them to kill someone but it's ok to force someone else to kill them for you.