OK we saw the a Luger in this episode which was a Nazi firearm during world war 2 and the guards by the hatch had M-1s which was the common american rifle at the time.

Those weapons were shown and used on purpose.

So what is the connection? Do these experiments date back to the 1940s? Maybe some of the nazi theories about Alvar Hanso have some weight? How about those "legendary" experiments that took place during that time. Like the Philladelphia experiment? The Manhattan project? etc....

How about the "bunker" or look-out or ancient wall with the window on top of the hill?

How about the "bunker" or look-out or ancient wall with the window on top of the hill?


Maybe a military bunker?

I'm not sure but you can bet it's important.

im pretty sure it was confirmed that these experiments were in the 1970's.

the stone structure was definately older than 1970 though.

Alvar was a weapons provider for the Allied Nations during WWII, no? And if so, wouldn't that be why there are old weapons dating back to WWII there?

Dead on, Fourthcop, it's not surprising at all to me that a retired munitions magnate might have a stockpile of his old weapons stored on the island....or should I say...his island?

World War II weapons? Island in the South Pacific? Interesting!

This also remindes me about the knife Ana Lucia and Goodwin were talking about (U.S Army issued) just before their fight.

Camouflaging a huge thing like that sticking out, sitting on top of a hill over looking the ocean. Why bother? One hatch buried in the ground, one with branches and tarps thrown over it and one under the ? mark where "the earth is salted so the grass won't grow, so it can be seen from the air." The arms are older than dirt. Most of the arms after WWII including bayonets, hand grenades and mustard gas etc, were buried with dirt and lime thrown over them and grass grows over them now. The U.S. Army Corp of Engineers calls this UXO. This bears some investigating. They had to have been supplied these weapons and ammo at some point, and they have to really keep them clean or they don't fire. If they are going to "emphasize" the weaponry there should be a decent explination, that's all.
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World War II weapons? Island in the South Pacific? Interesting!

This also remindes me about the knife Ana Lucia and Goodwin were talking about (U.S Army issued) just before their fight.

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OK we saw the a Luger in this episode which was a Nazi firearm during world war 2 and the guards by the hatch had M-1s which was the common american rifle at the time.

Those weapons were shown and used on purpose.

So what is the connection? Do these experiments date back to the 1940s? Maybe some of the nazi theories about Alvar Hanso have some weight? How about those "legendary" experiments that took place during that time. Like the Philladelphia experiment? The Manhattan project? etc....

I only had a quick glance at the weapons the guards had but I don't believe they were both M-1s (Garands). The one on the right may have had an M-1 but the clip on the one on the left looked nothing like an M-1.

Two things. I barely noticed the two guys so I could be wrong, I would like to see a screen cap. And second, it's probably not really relevant if it's an M-1 or not! It's definetly not a modern weapon!

check gumpy's links on this thread for a pic of the 2 guards and the weapons.... last link I think? (hope gumpy doesn't mind, this is the 2nd time I gave out the thread for his links) http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=49561&page=2

the weapons are definitely 1940's... but the equipment in the hatches are definitely 1970's... maybe the weapons were found? leftovers from wwII...

oh but bear in mind that the weapons in desmond's hatch were all soviet stuff from 70's.... 2 different cache's of weapons??

definately m-1 rifles, with flash suppressors. has seen a luger, but there are many modern weapons that model the older designs. I own a ruger .22 that has the "luger" design to it. not to mention many classic weapons are still produced today exactly as they were years ago. the m-1 hasnt changed much at all over the years. i mean after all the colt 1911 .45 ACP was the sidearm of the US military up until about 15 years ago. unchanged.

I suppose the miss match technology is the key.
new washer dryer, old stereo, old computer, lava lamp, weapons from a different decade. and then the food thing.
i know have express this thought, but how can 2 people eat a large can of corn! there is enough for over a week, everyday eating!
LOL..
you know if i think about weapons, i think about m16 from my military days, what if someones memory of weapons is from that era, and they could manifested? would that explain the odd mix match of stuf.
who would have a recent memory of nice washer and driers? a woman or a man?
just some thoughts...

The rifles the guards are holding are absolutely not M1s. They look like M14 rifles, which is basically the automatic version of the M1, with a clip on the bottom, not a 8 round clip. They were the first general issue rifle used in Vietnam, eventually replaced by the M16.

The rifles are M-14's, which are a post WWII weapon derived from the M1. It replaced the M1 as the standard combat weapon for the Army and Marines in the late 50's/early 60's and was replaced by the M-16 in the mid to late 60's.

M14 (rifle) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M14_(rifle))

some enlighten me, can you buy surplus weapons in bulk?
if a goverment had too many, and a company needed them, could you..
but then again hanslo website clearly states that he helped with weapons in world two and onward..

some enlighten me, can you buy surplus weapons in bulk?
if a goverment had too many, and a company needed them, could you..
but then again hanslo website clearly states that he helped with weapons in world two and onward..

Yes, these weapons are sold through distributors every day.
M14 copies are available brand new (not full-auto) from Springfield Armory

Previous administration destroyed many of these fine rifles from storage and
now our troops are scrambling for them to use in combat roles, excellent rifle.

some enlighten me, can you buy surplus weapons in bulk?
if a goverment had too many, and a company needed them, could you..
but then again hanslo website clearly states that he helped with weapons in world two and onward..

If you're Alvar Hanso and richer than God, you can buy anything you want. Plus, a guy like him has probably got all kinds of "connections" to all sorts of things.

It was not a luger, Pickett fired at Michael with a Walther P38. Common mistake, but also a german issue pistol from WW2.

Yeah, the guards at the doors had M14's, not M1's. Also a common mistake. and they showed them for only a second anyway. I think the idea was "Guards at the doors have big effin rifles. :)

We also saw a stainless steel Takarov get passed from Sawyer to Jack, and I don't remember seeing it before.

One of the hatch guns was a scoped G3 with a bipod... somehow we havent seen it since Locke was cleaning it. Maybe he stashed it a long time before Sawyer got hold of guns.
This particular rifle is a modern German high-quality high-powered rifle.
When i did my service with the Norwegian army back in 1991-92 it was our personal weapon so i know it down to its smallest details.

http://www.hkpro.com/image/g3sg1.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/g3sg1.htm

Jack and Sawyer seemed to arm themselves with all the handguns, a shotgun and some AK's. There should also be an M-16 and an SKS Simonov (Russian carabine) from hatch.
So i think a just question would be, where is the best rifle on island ?
Realizing this.... im hoping Locke stashed it in the jungle.

The scoped G3 would be the perfect weapon against targets up to a 1000 meters.
So it is the perfect gun for someone that dont want to get too close to the others.

Cool, lots of knowledge about various weapons. Very cool indeed. Now that being said, shootfire and others that would know...What kind of guns were they, The Others, fireing when they stopped Jack, Sawyer and Locke. Hand guns? Not having an ear for what firearms sound like, ie, when Ana shot Shannon, it sounded like a long range rifle, but in fact she had a hand gun. Does it have to do with where she was? And also I realize it's a TV show.

One of the hatch guns was a scoped G3 with a bipod

I hate to say it, but we're not seeing the same guns consistantly here with the exception of the AK's and the remington pump shotgun. I think that's just luck.

When Desmond armed himself there was a whole rack, like 4 or 5 Makarov's. He stashed one in his shoulder holster. Those are nowhere to be seen. Locke and Jack gave up the sig's to Zeke at the line (Locke had 2 of them) but here we see atleast 3 more sigs, some glocks (Locke found one on the pilot of the small plane), and a colt 1911 in the mix, which is what Sawyer gave Zeke, and now gave one to Sayid. And from the promo pics, we see Kate with a Khar 9mm, that I'm not sure we have ever seen on the show before. Maybe the Marshall had one in his briefcase?

So, We're not really dealing with consistant weaponry on that end.

EDIT- and by the way, Michael left camp with a bolt action remington 700, and at some point in the jungle the gun turned into a semi-auto rifle, I believe to be a remington 7400.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=49846

Well i think they know fans will check up on every detail....

It is possible that the changing guns indicate we are stuck with a prop department that thinks a gun is a gun is a gun. So the differences may be somewhat random based on storeroom availability instead of having significance to the show.:mad:

Nice shot of the M14 is available here: http://www.modelguns.co.uk/images/m14n.jpg

The rifles the guards are holding are absolutely not M1s. They look like M14 rifles, which is basically the automatic version of the M1, with a clip on the bottom, not a 8 round clip.

The M1 does use a clip. The M14 uses a magazine.

It is possible that the changing guns indicate we are stuck with a prop department that thinks a gun is a gun is a gun. So the differences may be somewhat random based on storeroom availability instead of having significance to the show.:mad:

I had read a while back that the assault weapons ban was actually causing a bit of difficulty for Hollywood prop departments. Maybe something to it. Maybe they just haven't learned to be consistent..

I posted this in another thread,,,.......
If I may, I would like to add to the Nazi theory....On the Hanso Foundation website, Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk is listed in the biographies......his name is signifigant because it incorporates two names that have special signifigance during WWII in Nazi Germany....First of all, Dr. "Werhner" von Braun (yea its spelled a little differently, but hang with me) headed up the Nazis research and development of the V2 rocket that they used to bombard London with - yes this sounds cooincidental and alone doesnt mean much, since Werner is a common german name-- HOWEVER, "Mittlewerk" was the name of the nazi slave labor factory that produced the V2 rockets for Germany (and Dr. von Braun)---"Mittlewerk" means literally- 'middle works' and was the name of the factory that was hollowed out inside a mountain to produce those weapons. Yeah, maybe the LOST creators just used these names because they sound and are in fact, German (even though Mittlewerk is not used as a German last name)- but I think its too much of a cooincidence especially since "Dr. Mittlewerk" is head of a program that basically trys to eliminate genetic anomolys (sp?). Sounds a lot like what the Nazis did when they systematically sterilized and murdered people with genetic abnormalities (retardation, birth defects, mental illness etc). Interesting, huh? Then again, maybe it is a reference to the weapons program produced in the Mittlewerk factory. Or it could just mean nothing.... Who knows....