It has kind of been bugging me for a while, and I thought I'd just check and see if anyone noticed something I didn't. In THP Jack thought that he, Sawyer, and Locke could have taken the Others. He didn't think there were that many of them. Then we saw the circle of torches, which made it appear that they were surrounded. Still, Jack seemed to think that with their weapons the odds were on his side. We are led to believe that had Kate not been held prisoner there would have been a shootout.

Interestingly, we only saw 5 Others during the Mike-napping and on the trek back to Otherland. A point was made of Zeke telling the Others to divy up the weapons. Does this mean Jack was right all along? I'm thinking Jack should have trusted his intuition.

It has kind of been bugging me for a while, and I thought I'd just check and see if anyone noticed something I didn't. In THP Jack thought that he, Sawyer, and Locke could have taken the Others. He didn't think there were that many of them. Then we saw the circle of torches, which made it appear that they were surrounded. Still, Jack seemed to think that with their weapons the odds were on his side. We are led to believe that had Kate not been held prisoner there would have been a shootout.

Interestingly, we only saw 5 Others during the Mike-napping and on the trek back to Otherland. A point was made of Zeke telling the Others to divy up the weapons. Does this mean Jack was right all along? I'm thinking Jack should have trusted his intuition.

Too much to risk, and they had Kate. Image if he did act... and some losties got killed. How many Jack haters would be all over that! lol

Does this mean Jack was right all along? I'm thinking Jack should have trusted his intuition.

Yup, I think Jack was right, they could have taken only 5. Especially if one was Alex who stated that Zeke was only trying to scare them.

I never trusted all those torches coming on at once like that. It wasn't like they were being lit by individual people as much as it seemed like one person turned on the gas or something.

I posted a thread about this a day or so ago and it Dissappeared. Really. No biggie, the "others" probably took it. lol. Anyway, Glad it's been brought back up! I hope this answers the question about how many others there really were in the jungle that night. Alex was sitting alone by the fire and Pickett just seemed to stumble upon Kate. Yep only 5 came back to camp, what did the rest just stay and hang out in the jungle? I doubt it.

the question is why doesn't Jack realize they have more guns?

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.

the question is why doesn't Jack realize they have more guns?

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.

In our world this is true but the writers seem to constantly make the Losties "less than smart" and conveniently forgetful. As it was stated in another thread, why didn't Jack ask about the flaming paper in Mike's hand that was dropped then stomped out?

Too much to risk, and they had Kate. Image if he did act... and some losties got killed. How many Jack haters would be all over that! lol

Yeah, Kate pretty much messed things up for them.

I posted a thread about this a day or so ago and it Dissappeared. Really. No biggie, the "others" probably took it. lol. Anyway, Glad it's been brought back up! I hope this answers the question about how many others there really were in the jungle that night. Alex was sitting alone by the fire and Pickett just seemed to stumble upon Kate. Yep only 5 came back to camp, what did the rest just stay and hang out in the jungle? I doubt it.

Sorry abbybaby. Nothing came up on my search. I must have used the wrong search terms or something. Yeah, there were only five there physically. I wonder if that means that there were some who were there "in a place they weren't supposed to be." :biggrin: It's kind of a weird thought, but after what Ms. Klugh asked Michael, I though I should mention it, especially since some were saying they thought they saw Walt in the ring of fire. ;)

the question is why doesn't Jack realize they have more guns?

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.

Hmm...I think he does know. Jack's a poker player. I think he's just holding his cards close to the vest so to speak. Actually, I think we may be selling several of the characters short. I think Kate has to be aware that something is wrong also. Of course, I guess it depends on whether or not one thinks Kate is "in on it." :biggrin: I'm just thinking these people are pretty sharp. I can't imagine them really not knowing there is something wrong with Michael's story. Maybe they're just trying to figure out if he really believes what he is saying, or if it's a trap. Maybe they're just biding their time to see if he makes a mistake. They have trust issues after all.

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.
Didn't Sawyer mention something about the guns the Other's took in Three Minutes?
Too much to risk, and they had Kate. Image if he did act... and some losties got killed. How many Jack haters would be all over that! lol
Especially if something happened to Sawyer....:lol:

could be there were just torches, but you look at the picture you do see people standing there. and we only saw clips of the others, so whats not to say there are others and they have to be stationed out in the jungle doing whatever it is they have to do. Fenry was probably there as well and started heading towards the losties camp.
Not to mention im sure theyd want people to follow them to make sure they go back to the beach.

Hmmm...thinking about it, I was always puzzled by AL comment that the Others could be at any place at any time. There didn't really seem to be any evidence of that in The Other 48 Days. :confused:

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that. Didn't Sawyer mention something about the guns the Other's took in Three Minutes?

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Too much to risk, and they had Kate. Image if he did act... and some losties got killed. How many Jack haters would be all over that! lol
Especially if something happened to Sawyer....:lol:


Yes they did bring up the number of guns taken in THP. I was waiting for them to question Michael again about the number he saw but they didn't bring it up again. They've got to be mentally putting it together though

I noticed that to. I also remember Zeke saying "Get the torches ready". Add that to the fake beard and clothes and I'm betting half those torches were fake.

Sorry abbybaby. Nothing came up on my search. I must have used the wrong search terms or something.

Don't be sorry Shootfire, I wasn't kidding when I said my thread dissappeared. I posted it a couple of people posted on it, I refreshed the page and it was gone:eek2: . I doubt you would have ever found it. Just another lost mystery:biggrin: . But I haven't had any trouble posting since.

Yup, I think Jack was right, they could have taken only 5. Especially if one was Alex who stated that Zeke was only trying to scare them.

I never trusted all those torches coming on at once like that. It wasn't like they were being lit by individual people as much as it seemed like one person turned on the gas or something.

EXACTLY!!!!


the question is why doesn't Jack realize they have more guns?

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.

I thought this too.

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that.

Jack's kinda dumb for a fancy pants surgeon. Also, when Michael had his panties in a wad about only Jack, Kate, Hurly and Sawyer coming with him, he was unquestioning. I think he totally backs down in confrontations all of the time.

Not sure if Jack has considered that there's an Others group up the hill and an Others group near the Tailies' first camp and that maybe Michael found yet another Others group... so he wouldn't necessarily expect that Zeke & Co are the same Others that Michael followed back to camp.

We need Clare and Michael to compare notes - that would be a very informative convo, no?

We need Clare and Michael to compare notes - that would be a very informative convo, no?

How great would that be, but the only people who know about Claires litte 'adventure' are what... Ana, Kate, Danielle, and thats it? All Jack knows is that they found another hatch. But I think Claire is the only one who knows the memories...so I won't imagine that Claire will bring anything about the Medical Hatch, no matter how great and important it is...

Remember in the Hunting Party, when they had to give the others their weapons...there were 5 or 6...but then Micheal said they only had two....but thats false and Jack should know that. Didn't Sawyer mention something about the guns the Other's took in Three Minutes?

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Too much to risk, and they had Kate. Image if he did act... and some losties got killed. How many Jack haters would be all over that! lol
Especially if something happened to Sawyer....:lol:


Yes they did bring up the number of guns taken in THP. I was waiting for them to question Michael again about the number he saw but they didn't bring it up again. They've got to be mentally putting it together though


Don't forget about the 2 guns Michael DIDN"T come back with! Nobodys (the Losties) aren't questioning this either.:rolleyes:

Hey kids...just a little helpful reminder...All the torches were manned by an Other!

Need proof? I thought ya might...

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/ringOfFire.jpg

Ok...My work here is done.

What gets me is that the others give Michael a list of names to bring back to them to secure the release of Walt.

Well, if the others really wanted Jack, Kate and Sawyer, why didn't they just take them when they captured Michael? They already bagged Kate and made Jack and Sawyer hand over the guns, it would of been a perfect opportunity to take them all.

Ok so Locke was there and not on the Michael list, but the fake Henry said he was coming for him anyways. And so Hurley wasn't amongst them but surely they could of figured out a way to get him. Yeah Hurley is "spry" but could he get away from the others?

Yup, I think Jack was right, they could have taken only 5. Especially if one was Alex who stated that Zeke was only trying to scare them.

I never trusted all those torches coming on at once like that. It wasn't like they were being lit by individual people as much as it seemed like one person turned on the gas or something.

I just thought about this today, realizing that only 4 other Others were with Zeke when they escorted Michael back to their camp.

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1075&pos=364

And, I agree, the torches did look like the gas was turned on and the torches lit all at the same time.

But, as Ator has pointed out, there are people standing by those torches. The link he posted looks like a lightened/enhanced version of what was seen. Here is what lost-media has:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=887&pos=600

So, where did all the other people by the torches go when they escorted Michael to their camp?

So, where did all the other people by the torches go when they escorted Michael to their camp?

Anywhere. They may have seperated to follow and ensure the Losties returned to their beach.

The rest of them probably had something else to do. It wouldn't require all of them to escort Michael back to the camp. The others have to be watching the losties, either by way of cameras & monitors (like we saw in the Pearl) or by direct observation. They know too much about the losties to not be watching them.

The rest of them probably had something else to do. It wouldn't require all of them to escort Michael back to the camp. The others have to be watching the losties, either by way of cameras & monitors (like we saw in the Pearl) or by direct observation. They know too much about the losties to not be watching them.

True, but I can't help but wonder how much pre-crash knowledge they have, what with knowing Sawyer's real name (when even Michael didn't). BTW, nice user-name. I assume that has to be the ELP reference?