My friends and I are Lost Freaks and one of them has speculated that Alvar Hanso and the Dharma initiative are some type of Neo Nazis. I'm not really sure if this has been talked about before, so if it has, sorry. But if it hasn't, what do you all think about it?

dabbling in eugenics - if indeed that's what's going on - doesn't make you a nazi. It's been practiced under all kinds of political philosophies.

but I'd be interested to see any other evidence you have. :)

I hereby apply Godwin's Law to this thread.

I hear you friend. :lipsseal: *locks lips* ;)

I hereby apply Godwin's Law to this thread.Good idea until you get staked by accident. ;)
A consistent theory (it appeared here a few months ago), but I doubt TPTB would go THAT far in the age of so called "political correctness".

Zzzzzip!

Recognise who Mike - the young good-looking svelt feller with the hair?

*stares* ...and wearing my father's clothes. :eek2:

Dunno.

Never seen him before.

And certainly not naked,

wet,

and in widescreen.

Alan Alder? :angel:

Alan Alder? :angel:No. Terry O'Quinn. With hair.

So, since we're talking about Godwin's law... Someone stretched this theory too far, eh?

Hence my mentioning it Mike ;) or did you miss the reference to an early work in my signature and personal title?

It's a credit to Terry O'Quinn that I recognised instantly from a period photograph, the performer who blew me away in '87 but failed subsequently to realise John Locke was played by the same man.

Not so much to do with the intervening years as my belief that Jerry Blake and the above mentioned John are 'real'.

Had you wanted to play on - and I do like games :angel: - my next guess would have been Rutger Hauer - :biggrin:

If I may, I would like to add to the Nazi theory....On the Hanso Foundation website, Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk is listed in the biographies......his name is signifigant because it incorporates two names that have special signifigance during WWII in Nazi Germany....First of all, Dr. "Werhner" von Braun (yea its spelled a little differently, but hang with me) headed up the Nazis research and development of the V2 rocket that they used to bombard London with - yes this sounds cooincidental and alone doesnt mean much, since Werner is a common german name-- HOWEVER, "Mittlewerk" was the name of the nazi slave labor factory that produced the V2 rockets for Germany (and Dr. von Braun)---"Mittlewerk" means literally- 'middle works' and was the name of the factory that was hollowed out inside a mountain to produce those weapons. Yeah, maybe the LOST creators just used these names because they sound and are in fact, German (even though Mittlewerk is not used as a German last name)- but I think its too much of a cooincidence especially since "Dr. Mittlewerk" is head of a program that basically trys to eliminate genetic anomolys (sp?). Sounds a lot like what the Nazis did when they systematically sterilized and murdered people with genetic abnormalities (retardation, birth defects, mental illness etc). Interesting, huh? Then again, maybe it is a reference to the weapons program produced in the Mittlewerk factory. Or it could just mean nothing.... Who knows....

I hereby apply Godwin's Law to this thread.

I must be out of the loop... What's that? :rolleyes:

Alvar supplied munitions and arms to the allied forces during the wars and currently to Nato. The sides that were against the Nazis. He even spoke to the United Nations general assembly.

he also has ties with russia during the cold war to i believe we are finding new things about this man.


i do not believe he is a neo-nazi though.

Just a question: Do you all even know what a neo-nazi is??

You know... building rockets and doing psychological experiments on people, doesn't make someone a neo-nazi...

Sorry, if I'm missing something here because I don't have as much background knowledga on Alvar Hanso as you all seem to have but I don't see the connection.

As to Wernher von Braun (and that's the correct spelling of his name)... and I'm not defending anyone here but just to throw in some more facts:

- Wernher von Braun was a scientist and if he wanted to continue his work at that time, he had to join the NSDAP. That doesn't mean he followed their ideology. And it doesn't mean he didn't.
- He was arrested by the Gestapo in 1944, suspected of being a traitor with plans to leave the country for England. He was released because his expertise was crucial to the success of building the V2
- He was transferred to the US in 1945 and worked there for the NASA and other organizations until his death in 1977

So maybe the reference to his name (IF it's a reference to his name at all) is merely a reference to an important scientist (whose knowledge and expertise helped flying a few Americans up to the moon, btw) rather than him being once a member of the Nazi party.

Just a question: Do you all even know what a neo-nazi is??

You know... building rockets and doing psychological experiments on people, doesn't make someone a neo-nazi...

Sorry, if I'm missing something here because I don't have as much background knowledga on Alvar Hanso as you all seem to have but I don't see the connection.

As to Wernher von Braun (and that's the correct spelling of his name)... and I'm not defending anyone here but just to throw in some more facts:

- Wernher von Braun was a scientist and if he wanted to continue his work at that time, he had to join the NSDAP. That doesn't mean he followed their ideology. And it doesn't mean he didn't.
- He was arrested by the Gestapo in 1944, suspected of being a traitor with plans to leave the country for England. He was released because his expertise was crucial to the success of building the V2
- He was transferred to the US in 1945 and worked there for the NASA and other organizations until his death in 1977

So maybe the reference to his name (IF it's a reference to his name at all) is merely a reference to an important scientist (whose knowledge and expertise helped flying a few Americans up to the moon, btw) rather than him being once a member of the Nazi party.
Yeah, maybe.
If I may, I would like to add to the Nazi theory....On the Hanso Foundation website, Dr. Thomas Werner Mittlewerk is listed in the biographies......his name is signifigant because it incorporates two names that have special signifigance during WWII in Nazi Germany....First of all, Dr. "Werhner" von Braun (yea its spelled a little differently, but hang with me) headed up the Nazis research and development of the V2 rocket that they used to bombard London with - yes this sounds cooincidental and alone doesnt mean much, since Werner is a common german name-- HOWEVER, "Mittlewerk" was the name of the nazi slave labor factory that produced the V2 rockets for Germany (and Dr. von Braun)---"Mittlewerk" means literally- 'middle works' and was the name of the factory that was hollowed out inside a mountain to produce those weapons. Yeah, maybe the LOST creators just used these names because they sound and are in fact, German (even though Mittlewerk is not used as a German last name)- but I think its too much of a cooincidence especially since "Dr. Mittlewerk" is head of a program that basically trys to eliminate genetic anomolys (sp?). Sounds a lot like what the Nazis did when they systematically sterilized and murdered people with genetic abnormalities (retardation, birth defects, mental illness etc). Interesting, huh? Then again, maybe it is a reference to the weapons program produced in the Mittlewerk factory. Or it could just mean nothing.... Who knows....
Abrams, et al, are pretty literate. It's not a coincidence. But it could be more of an allusion than a clue-?

There was a very old eppy of "Doctor Who" (1970s, during Tom Baker's stint in the role), where he was captured by a giant amoeba or something. G.A. was telling him about his plan to take over the universe. The Doctor just rolled his eyes and said, "You meglomaniacs are all alike!" :D

Just crossed my mind while reading all this neo-Nazi stuff. :71:

So, what is the Godwin Theory?

Just a question: Do you all even know what a neo-nazi is??

You know... building rockets and doing psychological experiments on people, doesn't make someone a neo-nazi...

Sorry, if I'm missing something here because I don't have as much background knowledga on Alvar Hanso as you all seem to have but I don't see the connection.

As to Wernher von Braun (and that's the correct spelling of his name)... and I'm not defending anyone here but just to throw in some more facts:

- Wernher von Braun was a scientist and if he wanted to continue his work at that time, he had to join the NSDAP. That doesn't mean he followed their ideology. And it doesn't mean he didn't.
- He was arrested by the Gestapo in 1944, suspected of being a traitor with plans to leave the country for England. He was released because his expertise was crucial to the success of building the V2
- He was transferred to the US in 1945 and worked there for the NASA and other organizations until his death in 1977

So maybe the reference to his name (IF it's a reference to his name at all) is merely a reference to an important scientist (whose knowledge and expertise helped flying a few Americans up to the moon, btw) rather than him being once a member of the Nazi party.Boy, you know your history! :biggrin: You know though, it could go either way with how this show works. The Utopian Society that DHARMA wanted just rings of the communist ideology. I won't be surprised either way with the results.

I'm not a boy but yes I do know my country's history. Why is that so surprising?

If The Others have what THEY consider to be "utopia," I cast my vote for chaos! :D

I'm not a boy but yes I do know my country's history. Why is that so surprising?
"Boy" was just a euphemism for "wow." LOL Why odd? Because most American's don't. I commend you!

She's right, Majandra. We Yanks are about the most ignorant souls on Earth! :shakehead:

Well, I'm not American, so I still don't get your surprise. Only because "you yanks" (according to your words) are the "most ignorant souls on Earth" doesn't mean the rest of the world has to be as ignorant, now does it? And believe me... it's kinda hard to forget certain facts if you're constantly reminded of them by the whole world...

But let's get back to topic, shall we?

So wher is your proof/hint/whatever that Alvar Hanson is a neo-Nazi? And what's communism, utopia and anarchy got to do with it?

Well, I'm not American, so I still don't get your surprise. Only because "you yanks" (according to your words) are the "most ignorant souls on Earth" doesn't mean the rest of the world has to be as ignorant, now does it?
Nope. And thank goodness you aren't! :hug:

I never bought this Neo-Nazi stuff. So I'll leave this to the posters who do. Talk to us!

What makes people so sure that Alvar Hanso was directly involved with DHARMA? Maybe he just funded the project, but left the day-to-day operations to the DeGroots?

Maybe, dudepower. But if I were putting in that kind of money, I would want a lot of say in what goes on with those projects!