Or Charlie and Claire kissing? Just kidding.

Or maybe Fenry being HIM (even though a lot of guessed it)?

I don't think it's the "him" thing.I think it is either the penny thing or the HATCH BLOWING UP!


OMG!OMG! THAT was aewsome!

It was definitely the part with Penny at the end.

I am still NOT convinced that Henry is "Him." He might be their leader, but he still might answer to a greater authority.

What's a "challah"? I thought that was bread. :)

It was definitely the part with Penny at the end.

I am still NOT convinced that Henry is "Him." He might be their leader, but he still might answer to a greater authority.


I totally agree! Henry is not "Him", but the others definately answer to him!

Maybe there are several loaves of challah?

Fenry may not be "him" - but he certainly is the one in charge. See how Tom got all flustery when Fenry asked him why he took his beard off? Like, "sorry boss".

Penelope Widmore rocks! After all this time and she's still looking for Desmond!

Of course, Claire kissing Charlie is a little loaf!

I think that the others on the island might think that he's "Him". It seems that its required that none of them know more than they're supposed to, and each 'boss' only knows of one 'boss' above them

Penny was amazing! First peice of present-time Lost not on Island! or near Island on the ocean...

I think it was the hatch and then everything else with it!!

Fenry obviously isn't him, he does however seem as though he has more authority. I forget which episode but Fenry referenced "him" and called him a brilliant man.
100%
And I think Pen looking for Desmond and gives the survivors hope is... awesome.

Fenry might be Him, whatever he said in the hatch obviously can't be trusted as truth, it could have been all BS.

I think Pen was meant to be the challah but I guess I figured that it was going to be something totally huge. I mean, I guess it's a huge concept that someone is out there looking for Desmond... hunting him down, looking for the island or whatevertheheck was happening there.
But still.... I was just expecting something to make me go OMGWTFPolarBears??? or something like that.

I'm gonna have to go with the arctic outpost and subsequent phone call to Penny Widmore. Actually NONE of the Losties would have even had to have been privy to that scene being shot.

But it brings up interesting questions....

1. What the hell are those dudes in parkas "looking" for? Electromagnetic anomalies?
2. Why do they think that whatever it is they are looking for, that they "missed" it yet again? Could they have missed the EMP that brought Flight 815 down?
3. Did Penny really get "married" but is still holding a secret candle for Des...or did she never get married at all...is her waking up alone to a tip off?

I just can't see the challah being the Losties & Others reacting to the EMP going off...as Carlton said that the cast member would be called to the set to film the scene without warning and would be given their script pages once they arrived. It would seem that scene would have involved multiple cast members...in too many multiple locations to have been the challah scene. But that's just me.

OFF TOPIC: Anyone else having as much trouble as me with the 'Lage tonight? I think the EMP really affected it. I feel like Locke...and in a few minutes I'm gonna slam dunk my computer!!

Maybe the disappearance of Flight 815, in a similar area where Desmond disappeared, tipped her off to the anomaly thing. Mabye yea they picked up the electromag anamoly but she didn't make the connection till after she heard of the plane disappearing too... then she coulda figured well mabye this is how Des disappeared( even tho he seems to get to the island purely by accident) and then had the people keep an eye out for another anomaly..


Now that she found one, what's next??

Anybody know what the Challah scene was supposed to be? The final scene perhaps? It wasn't obvious to me.

well, challah is a braided bread, so my best guess is how everything is intertwined. Desmond, Libby, The Army Guy who knew Kate's Dad, Desmond's girlfriend, etc. They're all sort of twisted together, I guess.

The fact that it was called the "Challah" dosen't relate to the actual scene. The "Bagel", Walt's kidnapping, had nothing to do with bagels.

I think the Challah was the final scene.

The fact that it was called the "Challah" dosen't relate to the actual scene. The "Bagel", Walt's kidnapping, had nothing to do with bagels.

I think the Challah was the final scene.

I agree that it was the final scene. I'm just really unsure as to how to interpret that final scene. How does an electromagnetic abnormality automatically tie to Desmond?

But it brings up interesting questions....

1. What the hell are those dudes in parkas "looking" for? Electromagnetic anomalies?
2. Why do they think that whatever it is they are looking for, that they "missed" it yet again? Could they have missed the EMP that brought Flight 815 down?
3. Did Penny really get "married" but is still holding a secret candle for Des...or did she never get married at all...is her waking up alone to a tip off?


OFF TOPIC: Anyone else having as much trouble as me with the 'Lage tonight? I think the EMP really affected it. I feel like Locke...and in a few minutes I'm gonna slam dunk my computer!!

1 & 2. I believe there was some kind of GPS device on Desmond's boat that Pen is able to track him. The Ice Station Zebra guys were tracking it for her. When Desmond arrived into the electomagnetic field of the island, the signal was lost. When Desmond let the timer go out and the field was reversed (making the plane crash), it also allowed the boat to be be seen on the GPS tracker again. Same deal the second time the timer expired.
3. Pen said she'd always wait for Des - I don't think she married.

I agree with the Lage comment!

I think the Challah was the scene of Desmond turning the key and the EMP that resonated through the island, combined with the uncertainty of whether Desmond, Eko and Locke are alive or dead.

Pen kept Desmond's picture at her bedside-no married woman would do that. She wasn't married.

I think those outpost guys were flunkies. They said something about missing it again and false alarms. I think they missed it when the plane crashed and they detected false alarms those times Locke almost missed pressing the button. This time they caught it and the island appeared.

I think that final scene could have been the challah but the big surprise was all about what happens when the button isn't pushed, is it real and what brought the plane down. Now we know all that and that was cool.

Now I wonder if Penny will show up on a boat in Season Three. Is Desmond alive?

Oh, and Charlie and Claire? NICE.

the guy also called her "ms widmore" when he called. i believe she's still single.

That whooshing sound you hear is all the dramatic tension being sucked out of the episode in the final scene.

Challah is definitely the arctic guys and the phone call. Something they could film at the last minute... It's really a huge twist to now have a concurrent story in the outside world. The CG was awful though, I thought I was watching Polar Express with the snowstorm...

What's a "challah"? I thought that was bread. :)
You must not be a spoiler reader. :smile: Last year, the writers referred to the scene of Walt's kidnapping as the "bagel." It was a code word. This year they let us know in a podcast that the final secret scene was coded the "challah", keeping up their Jewish-bread theme. (I am personally hoping for hamentashen next season. ;) )

And I agree, it was the Penny scene. Although I almost thought it was a commercial and turned it off.

Oh and sobek, I totally agree - first sighting of the present day outside world. Woohoo!

I think it was the thing with Pen. I bet only the writers and actors for that particular scene knew about it.

ABSOLUTLELY Penny! PLUS we fianlly have confirmation that the outside world still exists!

Pen and the call from the artic guys was definately the challah !!! I too thought it had gone to commerical at first ... I would have hated to have missed that !!!


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TPTB talked about "the challah," a hush-hush scene for LTDA that was filmed under secrecy. Last year, "the bagel" was the extremely dramatic and revealing scene where walt gets kidnapped.
But I couldn't quite tell which scene in LTDA could be considered the challah. Any ideas?

Could have been when Jack, Sawyer and Kate were captured. I LOVED the last scene though.

I think it was the scene on the warf.

It was the realization that Henry was HIM!

I'm guessing its the explosion in the hatch? That was the biggest revelation for me.

I imagine it was the end sequence with the Portugese speaking chess players and Penelope...

According to a NY Times article, it was the scene with the Portuguese scientists and the phone call to Penny.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/25/arts/television/25lost.html

ETA: third paragraph from bottom discusses the Challah

For me it was definitely the scene at the docks

It was probably one of the most intense and dramatic scenes we have seen to date. It definitely was for me

The way that Jack looks at Kate, there's more behind that look, I personally think the revelation is that we don't know if Jack is a good guy anymore or if he is with the others.

Obviously the Portuguese speaking explorers and their call to Penny. I don't think anybody saw that coming!

The scene with the Brazilians in what appeared to be the Antarctic, and their conversation with Penny Widmore, may not seem to be a big deal, but it was huge in several ways:

1) It proves the outside world is still there - we have never seen the outside world, outside of flashbacks, since the series began.
2) It suggests for the first time someone is actually trying to find the island (or the survivors). It also suggests that Penny Widmore knows (probably through her father) something about the island. How else would she know to look for magnetic anomalies?
3) It suggests the magnetic anomaly on the island is fairly major, capable of being registered what we assume is a long ways away.

This quiet moment at the end blows up lots of theories people have harbored about the series, and presents many new ones. It's bigger than it appears at first blush.

i think it was definately the scene with the two ice men (since i don't know theri nationality for sure I will call them that) and the phone call to Penny. Or it could be that the owner of Widmore is Caleb from the OC!!!!!!!!!!!

It's tough for me to think of the portugese/penny scene as the challah, since it involves two sets, and therefore was almost definitely filmed in two different parts, at two different times. I thought the challah was to be filmed all-at-once, perhaps I assumed wrong.
That New York times article is pretty clear, but I'd wish they'd cite their source, i.e. who told them that was the challah?

The scene with the Brazilians in what appeared to be the Antarctic, and their conversation with Penny Widmore, may not seem to be a big deal, but it was huge in several ways:

1) It proves the outside world is still there - we have never seen the outside world, outside of flashbacks, since the series began.
2) It suggests for the first time someone is actually trying to find the island (or the survivors). It also suggests that Penny Widmore knows (probably through her father) something about the island. How else would she know to look for magnetic anomalies?
3) It suggests the magnetic anomaly on the island is fairly major, capable of being registered what we assume is a long ways away.

This quiet moment at the end blows up lots of theories people have harbored about the series, and presents many new ones. It's bigger than it appears at first blush.

Thank you... this is spot-on and exactly what I have been thinking and trying to put into words. The last scene definitely deserves more attention and more analysis.

Hm this is totally unrelated I guess,but it just occured to me that the joke about the two snowmen is like a reference to the two brazilian guys at the end,who,due to their inhabitation in the antarctica,are like two snowmen.Wow...I guess I solved LOST

It's tough for me to think of the portugese/penny scene as the challah, since it involves two sets, and therefore was almost definitely filmed in two different parts, at two different times. I thought the challah was to be filmed all-at-once, perhaps I assumed wrong.
That New York times article is pretty clear, but I'd wish they'd cite their source, i.e. who told them that was the challah?

But anything about the show was certainly plausible and could be figured out except for this one. It was THE LAST SCENE. The big reveal!

and then, there's a guy at the ice station Zebra that looks like Matthew Fox....maybe that's REALLY it. "Bad Twin", remember??

Can someone confirm the last scene of the showas being the "Challah," the scene that has been described as the mindblowing scene for the last month?

In all honesty, I wasn't real taken with it; yes, it confirms humanity is there and kicking, and that Penny knows something is going on with EM pulses, but I really thought (on the basis of insider scoop spoilers) that the big revelation was taking place in the Others' hatch. Instead, we find a fake hatch with a 5' by 5' empty space.


So, if that was it, I guess I personally did not feel its immediate effects, which explains why I did not think it to be all that huge.

I have a problem with "mind blowing" scenes involving recently (as in that episode) introduced characters who's faces don't match up with past photos, and the contrivances created to explain away payoff to a setup you don't know what to do with.

phoefenix, I wonder how you would have reacted to the scene without having read any spoilers. To me, that's a huge moment because it debunks the purgatory theory, another world theory, etc. It also sets up what could be some interesting plot lines for season 3. I see a lot of people complain on these forums about not liking episodes after reading the spoilers and in this case I wonder if the spoilers spoiled the episode a little for you.

Well, considering Lindelof had debunked the purgatory theory as of early this season, it wasn't a shock for me that they are all still alive. I just feel that with everything going on in the episode, they would ahve made the big revelation poiting to an event on the island, and not the fact that people know that something is going on there.


Sill, can anyone confirm this is the "Challah" scene?

I don't think it was "mindblowing," but I don't think it was completely terrible either. I think the writers just found a good way of introducing new plot points they're going to be exploring for season three. However, I don't think they closed enough plotlines for season 2. I understand that they didn't want to give too much away, but the new "find Desmond" thing is pretty huge especially since it's dealing with basically another world outside of the island.

Go the nytimes.com and read their article on the lost finale - "Challah" as you may know, is a Jewish type of bread, and was used merely as a codename, just as "bagel" was for last season's finale.

Yeah, I know it was the code name for the scene; I just heard from everywhere that it was going to be a mindblowing scene and I did not feel the ending justified that. I guess I was still in shock over the fate of Eko, Locke and Desmond and the threesome of Kate, Jack and Sawyer on the dock.

But, if Penelope is connected as she appears to be to Hanso, then we're in for some serious sh*t next year.

this is not making sense to me:undecide:

the word was used by the producers and everyone as like a code name for the finale..it's some sort of bread...

Laast year's big secret was called the Bagel by the producers; this year it Challah. Both are types of Jewish Bakery items - Challah is often used in making French Toast but its just a code word here.

Just wait until Season 3 and the "Chocolate-Chip Rugala" ending...

Well, considering Lindelof had debunked the purgatory theory as of early this season, it wasn't a shock for me that they are all still alive. I just feel that with everything going on in the episode, they would ahve made the big revelation poiting to an event on the island, and not the fact that people know that something is going on there.


Sill, can anyone confirm this is the "Challah" scene?

Yes, that's the Challah... we were told that it was the last 3 minutes of the episode. No one (not even the actors) knew what it was and that makes sense now. None of the actors was in it, so how would they know? Very sneaky.

As for it being mind-blowing... I think that people are missing a lot about that scene.
The guys in that station are speaking Portugese... why? They're really not in Portugal (with all that snow) so why are Portugese people looking for the island? In snow.

Also, they call "Miss Widmore", not "Mrs Such-and-such" so she Didn't get married as Desmond was told that she was. Desmond's picture is still on her nightstand also... that's not a woman who's Over Desmond or married, so what's going on?

Lastly... as she said earlier, anyone with enough money and determination can find anyone else... so why is it so hard for her to find that island?? She has to track Electromagetism in order to find out where it is?

I don't know about other people, but that scene was definately mind-blowing to me...

I don't know about other people, but that scene was definately mind-blowing to me...
Yup Yup!

Yeah, I know it was the code name for the scene; I just heard from everywhere that it was going to be a mindblowing scene and I did not feel the ending justified that.
Just as lots of fans dont read spoilers because it -- spoils -- new episodes for them, listening to hype from anywhere or everywhere about things that will be mindblowing -- tend to spoil it also. Any pre-episode publicity is going to be misleading (just as previews are) because they're designed to lure people in. It would be surprising to me to hear from everywhere that the ending was going to be rather boring -- even if it was (which I don't think it was) -- so like anything else... it's best to take things we hear and read with a grain of sand and not compare what we actually see based on what we heard it was going to be. I wasn't expecting 2 guys playing chess to be part of the end.. or having them contact Desmond's former love interest -- I wasn't expecting Mike and Walt to sail off in a boat... but I'm going to guess that it's something to open up doors to other questions next season.

Just as lots of fans dont read spoilers because it -- spoils -- new episodes for them, listening to hype from anywhere or everywhere about things that will be mindblowing -- tend to spoil it also. Any pre-episode publicity is going to be misleading (just as previews are) because they're designed to lure people in. It would be surprising to me to hear from everywhere that the ending was going to be rather boring -- even if it was (which I don't think it was) -- so like anything else... it's best to take things we hear and read with a grain of sand and not compare what we actually see based on what we heard it was going to be. I wasn't expecting 2 guys playing chess to be part of the end.. or having them contact Desmond's former love interest -- I wasn't expecting Mike and Walt to sail off in a boat... but I'm going to guess that it's something to open up doors to other questions next season.

I agree.:biggrin: This was the first time I forced myself to STEP AWAY from the computer and Not read the spoiler for LTDA. Was I glad I did! I really enjoyed the show more, totally glued to the tv. I'm glad i used my dvr thought cause I missed the first part of the Callah cause I thought it was a commercial. Didn't see that one comming. :eek2:

Can someone confirm the last scene of the showas being the "Challah," the scene that has been described as the mindblowing scene for the last month?

In all honesty, I wasn't real taken with it; yes, it confirms humanity is there and kicking, and that Penny knows something is going on with EM pulses, but I really thought (on the basis of insider scoop spoilers) that the big revelation was taking place in the Others' hatch. Instead, we find a fake hatch with a 5' by 5' empty space.


So, if that was it, I guess I personally did not feel its immediate effects, which explains why I did not think it to be all that huge.
Yeah.... I thought the hatch "exploding" with Desmond, Locke, and Eko still inside was more shocking. That scene was ok, but for me, not the most shocking scene of the episode.

There was confirmation in the post-finale official Podcast with Damon and Carlton that the challah was indeed the Pen Widmore scene.
And I kinda knew that. But in the immediate aftermath of the show, I was in shock that the challah could really be that anti-climactic. Yes, it is cool to know that the outside world exists (especially in light of Desmond saying several times during the episode that he wasn't sure if the outside world existed anymore or not), and it is cool that Pen is looking for Desmond. But man oh man that scene was anticlamatic and dissapointing to me....

Pen kept Desmond's picture at her bedside-no married woman would do that. She wasn't married.

I think those outpost guys were flunkies. They said something about missing it again and false alarms. I think they missed it when the plane crashed and they detected false alarms those times Locke almost missed pressing the button. This time they caught it and the island appeared.

I think that final scene could have been the challah but the big surprise was all about what happens when the button isn't pushed, is it real and what brought the plane down. Now we know all that and that was cool.

Now I wonder if Penny will show up on a boat in Season Three. Is Desmond alive?

Oh, and Charlie and Claire? NICE.

Damon and Carlton also discussed that the outpost guys were able to detect the island because of the system failure and that the time they missed their chance was the time the plane crashed, the other time there was a system failure.
That clarification was very helpful to me. I don't know why I didn't get that connection when I watched.



And I agree, it was the Penny scene. Although I almost thought it was a commercial and turned it off.

I pushed Stop on my recording and then went WHAT?? and pushed Record again very quickly. lol.

Maybe the disappearance of Flight 815, in a similar area where Desmond disappeared, tipped her off to the anomaly thing. Mabye yea they picked up the electromag anamoly but she didn't make the connection till after she heard of the plane disappearing too... then she coulda figured well mabye this is how Des disappeared( even tho he seems to get to the island purely by accident) and then had the people keep an eye out for another anomaly..
Now that she found one, what's next??

This is the conclusion I came to as well.


Oh and sobek, I totally agree - first sighting of the present day outside world. Woohoo!

Most definitely... Woohoo!
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I hope the next one is not the matzah. :dry: Rugelach for me, baby!

I hope the next one is not the matzah. :dry: Rugelach for me, baby!
I was hoping for hamentaschen myself, but pacejunkie told me she already read somewhere they will call it the matzah. Talk about a boring choice! :rolleyes:

I predict that it will fall flat.:waffle:

I pushed Stop on my recording and then went WHAT?? and pushed Record again very quickly. lol.

Don't you know by now that when you tape a 60 minute episode of lost, you always set the recorder ot go for 90 minutes. ;)

The mere fact that we are here discussing what the ending actually was speaks volumes about the quality of this finale. disapointing.

Definately Pen Widmore - didn't see that one coming. The beginning of the episode starts with Desmond stating there is nothing out there. Now we know the world exists and Pen has been searching this whole time for Desmond.

Perhaps finding out how/why the plane crashed?

Hey Captain,
Here's the link to the thread that I started on this after the finale aired.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50669
I agree that it wasn't clear originally. It's apparent to me now that it was the Pen Widmore scene, but I was so dissapointed in it, that at the time I wasn't sure.

The Challah is that Vincent did not get to leave the island with Mike and Walt

It`s showing that the world is still there and everyone in it.