Here's a list below of all of the hidden information found in the book. It's a collective of what everyone said, so whoever posted the information gets their name next to it.

42 -- The floor the Hanso Foundation is on. (sjb121590)
4 -- The month Zander went missing (April). (sjb121590)
15 -- The day Zander went missing. (sjb121590)
15 -- Artisan hasn't smoked pot in 15 years. (sjb121590)
Cindy -- The woman who was a flight attendent on the TV show makes a cameo in the novel as a flight attendent. You can see her in Chapter 27. The book is also dedicated to her. They also mention her in "A Note from the Editors" and give us her full name: Cindy Chandler. (sjb121590)
Gary Troup -- Is an anagram for "Purgatory". (zackass87)
8/15, 8/16 -- The twins were born on these two days (August 15th and 16th). Zander on the 15th. (lilyleia78)
Shannon -- There is a woman named Shannon who committed suicide in the book. (lonesurvivor)
Bernard -- The founder of the Widmore clan. (StrandedJoe)
Walter -- There is a man named Walter in the book. (lonesurvivor)
John Locke -- Manny referenced the famous philosopher on pg. 168. (shannagal)
Mittelwerk -- He is mentioned as a board member of the Hanso Foundation. (shannagal)
Alvar Hanso -- Mentioned as the founder of the Hanso Foundation. (shannagal)
Pearl -- Zander wanted to finance a pearl project (reference to The Pearl?). (shannagal)
Turn of the Screw -- Manny references the book in Chapter 20. (Tari)
Paik Heavy Industries -- Mentioned that Widmore was doing joint ventures with them. (BTD Greg)
8:15/8:30 -- Times suggested by Pru to leave for the funeral. (BTD Greg)
Escape Hatch -- Name of a boat mentioned in the book. (BTD Greg)
Mr. Clucks -- Paul eats here while in California. (BTD Greg)
81516 -- Security code to Widmore mansion. (BTD Greg)
Islands -- Almost every location in the book is an island. (BTD Greg)
Clothing -- Cliff Widmore's shirt changes from lavender to mint green in a chapter. (ice-nine)
Mint Green -- The Dharma workers also are wearing mint green shirts. (ice-nine)
Laurence Shames -- The actual author of Bad Twin. (BOBBY)
Artisan -- Is the basque word for Shepherd. (1lostfansSA)

I noticed a date that was mentioned in the book about when the Scottish tradition of the father of a family giving his entire fortune to the eldest son, after he died. There is a word for it but I couldn't even pronounce it let alone remember how to spell it. Anyway Manny Weissman says that this tradition was abolished on November 28 2004 (after GT was already dead). If you think in "Lost time" the date of 11/28/04 is the approximate date that the season final took place.......the date that Desmond turns the key! Locke tells Desmond that it's been 60-65 days (I hope I remember that correctly) since they cashed on the island. So from September 22 2004 (the date of the crash) to November 28 2004 is....like......what.... 67 days or so. I have no idea what significance this date could have on anything but I found that fact very interesting. Maybe something big is going to happen, on the island, on the 67th day.

I'm sure this isn't all of it, so go out and find some more, and then post them below!

not sure if anyone has posted this, but gary troup is an anagram for purgatory.

The guy who hires Gary Troup is named Cliff Widmore.

LMAO -- Kat, you told me you never read Bad Twin!

I started to read it.

That's good! It is a great book, if you really look you can see a bunch of number references jump out at you.

The twins birthdays were 8-15 and 8-16

They were born on seperate days??

One a little before midnight, and one a little after. I think Zander is older... If you are just starting the book, you may not have gotten there yet.

I kinda figured they must have been born around midnight. That's pretty wild, though.

Just more numbers stuff. :cool:

I noticed those things as well in the book.

there is also a shannon and a walter.....i love the quote where the main character is talking about how a person can be a bad person on one island and a hero on another
lots of references to hanso and the men who work there....

LOL, I remember reading about a Shannon that killed herself and I was shocked thinking it was the island's Shannon. And this Shannon sounds a lot like our Shannon. But it can't be! Unless she faked her death... Oh, and I just found out from a New York Times article that the man we've been calling "Turbine Man" is actually the author, Gary Troup. I created a thread about that in this board. :smile:

Also note that Bernard is the name of the Widmore clan's founder.

I wonder if there is a John in the book.

I don't think there was anyone named John in the book, but I did catch one reference to the philosopher John Locke that was made by Manny. There were alot of references to books, and some mythology (the dog Argos - which connects with the show's Odyssey (?) reference of Penelope).

Whoever wrote that book did a lot of references to other things. I should probably list all the books the novel itself mentioned...

Also, when the father and one of the twins are leaving a meeting of the board of the Wdimore company, they mention that this new guy (Middlwork) is not as good as Alvar Hanso. I think they also ask where he went? The main character also takes a flight from LA to Sydney. There are alot of other references, good book on its own merits.

I wonder if there are clues or hidden things on each of THE NUMBER pages
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 ???

I wondered about that too, I'm going to check my book tonight for that :).

Are all the books the same? I mean, some books may be different in different places, so I think it may be really hard to leave a hidden clue on those pages.

I really enjoyed this book. Read it all in two days. The references are pretty cool, and the whole idea that this book even came out under a fictitious author in reference to the show is a pretty clever idea. No wonder this is the coolest TV show ever!

Here are some parallels I've drawn between things in Bad Twin, and references from the show and the Experience in case anybody's interested!

-The black pearl project that Zander was working on, took place in the Great Barrier Reef. If you go to the DJ Dan website (http://www.djdan.am) you can see that pictures of a dead shark with the Dharma logo branded on it washed up in the same location. That matches the same description of the shark that Sawyer shot when they were on the raft. For the shark's body to wash up on the beach, virtually unharmed, the location of the raft must have been fairly close to populated land.

-The book is dedicated to Cindy Chandler, who was both a flight attendant for Oceanic Airlines, and Gary Troup's girlfriend. She was in the tail section of the plane, and abducted by the others.

-p. 32 mentions Cliff Widmore "stalking polar bears somewhere in the Yukon". Does this mean Widmores have a connection with zoological projects at Hanso?

-p. 81 "People are complex. It's only in movies and bad books that people are all one way or the other". Great quote!! This is a key theme in the show.

-p. 138 "Life is complicated. That's the point. It isn't like a string of numbers, you add theem up, there's only one solution."

-p. 149 Dr. Thomas Mittelwerk is introduced as a member of Widmores BOD. They are also talking as if Alvar Hanso is missing. Why is he no longer serving on the board? They refer to him often in past tense, which is a little disconcerting. Are these 2 companies under the same corporate umbrella? They are housed in the same building, and they have crossovers on their BODs. Widmore may be as big a part of this conspiracy as Hanso is.

-p. 168 Reference to philosopher John Locke

-p. 254 "Cliff had only one real ally - a guy named Mittelwerk, from a company called the Hanso Group." Did Cliff know that Mittelwerk was the only one from the BOD on his side? What did Cliff offer in return to Hanso to win that kind of favor?


Sorry this is so lengthy... I just finished reading the book about 20 minutes ago! Let me know what you guys think.

-Shannon

:band:

I knew there was a mention of John Locke in the book! Thanks for pointing it out!

Yeah, i thiought it was really interesting that they'd use such a blatant reference to the Losties like that. It was kind of surprising. Aside from all the fun little connections, how did you like the book itself?

-Shannon
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Oh.... and one more connection. The hatch with the second film was called "the pearl" and the project that Zander wanted to fund was pearls....

ok. i'm done for the night, i swear

In Chapter 20, Manny mentions the book, "Turn of the Screw." This is the same book Desmond tells Locke he can find the Orientation film behind.

I though there would be way more relevant info concerning the Hanso foundation since they have the tie in with the website denying all implications from the book. They mentioned it like 4 times.

I just got it and can hopefully get around to starting it soon.

It's actually a good book. I mean, I've heard that the Lost series of books weren't that good, but this is actually a well written detective novel. I wonder who the real author is...

I read on Lostpedia that it was Stephen King

I just finished the book yesterday. A few that I noticed:

* Sun's father and his company ("Paik Heavy Industries") are specifically mentioned and Widmore has done some joint ventures with them.

* When the detective talks about going to a funeral at the end of the book, the person he's going with suggests that they leave at 8:30, but he tells them 8:15 is a better idea as it's bad luck to go arrive at a funeral late.

* The characters travel via Oceanic Airlines and are served by a flight attendant with bobbed brown hair named Cindy (to whom the book is also dedicated).

* A boat that a character is working on at the first of the book is called Escape Hatch.

* The detective eats chicken from Mr. Clucks when he goes to California.

* Lots of philosophical discussions about fate, destiny, purgatory, good, evil and redemption

* Most of the book takes place on some island. Even the one non-island setting (Luna, California) is referred to as isolated like an island.

* The Widmore's security code is "81516."

Mostly, the connections were in the little details tossed in for Lost fans but that really didn't have much to do with the plot. I was surprised that Hanso didn't play a larger part of the book. I enjoyed it. It was a fun, well-written detective story, but didn't really add anything to the Lost mythology.

Miami, Florida isn't exactly an island... But you're right. They go to Cuba, Manhatten, Luna and Miami (non-island locations), Australlia (one big island), and some of the smaller islands "down under". And I agreem it is a great book, but really doesn't have to do that much with Lost.

There was something really interesting on page 8. I hope it's legal to post an entire paragraph
"Paul Artisan...spent the great bulk of his working hours doing the bidding of powerful interests that used their size and their resources so that the fields they played on were never quite level; so that truth itself ceased to be the smooth and lovely and simple thing it was meant to be, and became warped, the way space and time are warped by the presence of very massive objects..."

Aren't these some of the most primal themes of Lost? What one group or person, believes is true, is vilified by another. For example, Fenry's "We're the good guys." Not to those he kidnapped!:eek:
And the whole warping space and time, it's almost as if the island is a warp in space and time, like that WWII broadcast Hurley and Sayid picked up on their radio.

I'm new and it's a little long, sorry!

Miami, Florida isn't exactly an island... But you're right. They go to Cuba, Manhatten, Luna and Miami (non-island locations), Australlia (one big island), and some of the smaller islands "down under". And I agreem it is a great book, but really doesn't have to do that much with Lost.

He doesn't spend time in Miami. He spends time in Key West, which is an island.

I though there would be way more relevant info concerning the Hanso foundation since they have the tie in with the website denying all implications from the book. They mentioned it like 4 times.
I thought the same thing, but it was still a good book!

Just finished reading the book. A few thoughts:
At the end of the bookit seems that because of the deaths and Zander's plan to donate large pieces of the Widmore fortune to charity, the Hanso Foundation is set up as the majority stakeholder in Widmore Construction.

Helios, the "foundation" in Luna, CA bears the same name as the god that the Colossus of Rhodes was supposedly based on. In the Greek pantheon, the cult of Helios is eventually absorbed into Apollo. Giant four-toed statues, anyone?

As previously noted, the book is dedicated to the flight attendant, Cindy Chandler (she of tailie fame.) Chandler is another word for candle maker. Marvin Candle, Dr. Waxman, Cindy Chandler.... Reinforces the thought that Cindy is with Dharma.

How many branches of Widmore Industries are there? Bernard, the patriarch of the family in the book does not seem to be the same Widmore we saw in the season 2 finale. What's the family connection?

The Widmore family is of Scot descent. Connections to Desmond?

I feel that we're missing something if we think that there is no reason why the Hanso Foundation would want to squash this book. (Fictitiously, of course.) Maybe it has to do with their Manhattan location, or their control of Widmore Industries. Maybe it's the connection to Paik Industries? The fictional Gary Troup clearly had knowledge of the Hanso Foundation's connections, enough to make them uncomfortable.

Finally, do we believe that the book's ultimate resolution was the truth? It seemed that the source (the third Mrs. Widmore) had reason to make sure she came out looking like a victim. Maybe there's more to it. Could this be the first half of the story, with the resolution adding up but not actually the truth? There were sufficient references in the book to make me think that could be the case. Or maybe Lost has just made me paranoid.

My pet theory...There is actually a third brother, whose name starts with B, trying to kill the other heirs. Probably I'm just whack.

just because you are paranoid does not mean that no one is out to get you

Did anyone notice a date towards the end of the book from the year 2005? I can't remember where, I'm at work and do not have my book. That date didn't make any sense to me because the plane crash was in 2004 from what he heard Locke say in LTDA, and the author supposedly died shortly after the plane crash. So, how could he know of an event on a day in the following year? If anyone has there book handy and can dig thru it, it's in the last quarter of the book, please post it.

Your right, I remember that Gary Troup is actually the "Turbine Man" that we saw in the Pilot episode. I have a thread in this Books board that talks about it... But I don't remember a 2005 date, I'll be able to check later though...

Ok so I just got sone reading the bok last night and I was talking about it to my husband about it and did anyone else catch that the other PI Penelope is the gal in the last episode where she got woke up in the middle of a night. And she was Desmonds love and her father had payed him off to get lost....Her father was old man Whitmore I think....so that kinda makes me wonder what her deal is...I mean if she was a daughter of his she would have been Cliff and Zanders sister right but there was no mention of a sister. And if so was she a plant to get in with the other PI to know what he was up to and how much he found out? I know im rambling here but I just want to know if I was reading to far into things :P
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Ok so never mind :P I remeber her name was Prudence...there went my consperacy :P

I geuss....is

I'm thinking that Lost itself will be like Trent's Last Case - we think we've figured it out, everything fits, but it's wrong anyway, and there's something completely different going on.

I posted this to InsidetheExperience as well.

There's one pretty glaring inconsistency in the book that I still haven't seen mentioned in any reviews anywhere.

Also, anyone else think the shadow made by the twig on the front cover looks an awful lot like an 'S'? As in, Bad Twin Is Gary Troup?

I don't have the book with me so I will have to paraphrase this next part.

In the section of the book where Paul Artisan visits Cliff in his office, he accidentally ends up on the floor where The Hanso Foundation is located. He makes pointed reference that all the lab coats are mint-green.

Later during the chat he has with Cliff Widmore, he, for some reason, waxes poetic about Cliff's clothes. More specifically, he's wearing a lavender shirt.

A few pages later, the chapter ends, but not without yet another mention of Cliff's clothes -- only this time his shirt is mint-green, not lavender.

How is that relevant or significant? sounds like an error.

A few people have commented on that. I think it's just a continuity error.

When I saw the twig on the cover, I thought it looked like an S too, so I was convinced it was a sneeky way of saying "Bad Twins" and so I thought both of the twins were bad. I was wrong though. :rolleyes:

A few people have commented on that. I think it's just a continuity error.

Hmm... Could the twins have switches places? Yeah, it could be an error, but was there any time that Paul looked away so the two could have switched places?

Hmm... Could the twins have switches places? Yeah, it could be an error, but was there any time that Paul looked away so the two could have switched places?

That's possible, but I don't think it would serve any purpose for the story. I know Hyperion was under a pretty tight deadline with the book as it was, so it was probably a simple error that got missed in proofing.

We don't know when Gary Troup was supposed to have written Bad Twin.....do we?

I noticed a date that was mentioned in the book about when the Scottish tradition of the father of a family giving his entire fortune to the eldest son, after he died. There is a word for it but I couldn't even pronounce it let alone remember how to spell it. Anyway Manny Weissman says that this tradition was abolished on November 28 2004 (after GT was already dead). If you think in "Lost time" the date of 11/28/04 is the approximate date that the season final took place.......the date that Desmond turns the key! Locke tells Desmond that it's been 60-65 days (I hope I remember that correctly) since they cashed on the island. So from September 22 2004 (the date of the crash) to November 28 2004 is....like......what.... 67 days or so. I have no idea what significance this date could have on anything but I found that fact very interesting. Maybe something big is going to happen, on the island, on the 67th day.

Anyone else notice this?

primogeniture.

I noticed that date too and thought the same thing. I asked it about a few weeks back but you were the first to elaborate. I am also confused about that.

It is pretty strange isn't it? :confused: I sure would like to know if it means anything.


Primogeniture, that's right..........thank you Lauren! :)

It's actually a good book. I mean, I've heard that the Lost series of books weren't that good, but this is actually a well written detective novel. I wonder who the real author is...
i am convinced, Damon Lindelof is behind this book, i heard too stephen king been mentioned, but ive read original lost scripts written by lindelof, the style is the exact same, the descriptions are very similar, he has a very forward and cool style of writing, totally different to king, i dunno...who knows, but if we're ever to find out who gary troup really is,.....my money is in Damon, :biggrin:

Variety actually revealed the real author about three weeks ago and it's not Damon... ;)

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117945504?

(I also posted this in one of the other "Bad Twin"-threads when the article came out)

cool, i didnt know that, thanks for pointing that out, * eating my humble pie now !! *
:biggrin:

I can't seem to pull up that page of Variety. Who was the author? And do they have other books?! I loved Bad Twin, the writing was great and very descriptive! Pulled me right in!

I can't seem to pull up that page of Variety. Who was the author? And do they have other books?! I loved Bad Twin, the writing was great and very descriptive! Pulled me right in!

Laurence Shames.

he has written alot of crime books...all mostly set in Key west...as bad twin was partially.. !!

I'll read this thread again after I read the book--just ordered it from Amazon!

Anybody find it curious that among Cliff's things that were taken by the robber, the one thing that stands out are the watches? Any connection with the watches that Jin was ordered to deliver?

I wouldn't think so... I mean, they were on Cliff's boat, and he has no connection to Jin... I think...

If anyone is playing the Lost ARG I am curious that one of the twins is referred to as Zander Widmore. I can't help but think that he is the Dr. Zander in the ARG that Rachel tracks down at the VIK nstitute. Face it Zander is not a common name and Armand has got to be an anagram for something.
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Oh yeah and for the record, having just finished the book, I was suprised by how well written it was until what seemed like a very rushed ending designed solely to tie up loose ends. Very disappointing. I guess if Troup didn't have a plane to catch we'd have gotten a more satisfying completion. Then again it makes sense if this was an initial draft and he dies en route, it reads like an "unfinished" novel.

I think it's the same Zander...

I've just started reading it yesterday, I'm at chapter 7 now but the chapters are really short so I'll check back here later when more's happeing.

I've just update the first post with all of the clues you guys posted. The user that posted the hidden information got credit at the end of sentance. If you see any mistakes or want to update any info just post here. :biggrin:

Another link I dont see mentioned on the first page is the name Artisan is the basque word for Shepherd.

I changed it. :biggrin:

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Oh yeah and for the record, having just finished the book, I was suprised by how well written it was until what seemed like a very rushed ending designed solely to tie up loose ends. Very disappointing. I guess if Troup didn't have a plane to catch we'd have gotten a more satisfying completion. Then again it makes sense if this was an initial draft and he dies en route, it reads like an "unfinished" novel.

I'm with you there.
It was like the end of Fast Times at Ridgemont high

Cliff Widmore went on to live another 80 years.
Paul Artisan went on to become a famous detective
Etc.

Hello :) - read the book last week; enjoyed it... but the ending was weak - felt tagged on - but that's been better discussed above; well said my t dux. :biggrin:

Some observations for you: Perdue : a soldier sent on an especially dangerous mission. and without the 'e' - Perdu means; remaining out of sight: concealed.

Prudence : is the Cardinal Virtue which gives the foresight and insight to determine between virtious and vicious actions. (I like this idea because I'm hung up on Hubris at the moment.)

Artisan : has meaning in its corrupted to English form; a skilled manual worker - Jack and Jin made their livings (at one time) with their hands, Mike was an artist, and John also demonstrated a gift.

Alban means white; there's a Mont Alban (White Mountain) in Mexico. Alban was the name of a Chrstian martyr, there are hills in Rome bt that name, and... Alban is Scottish as a deep fried mars bar. ;) I prefer a snickers myself but...

'Manny' I think may be a Manfred : go read your Byron for more, post your thoughts if you agree or disagree, or wait for me to post again with an explanation :) I have to go refresh my memory myself....

Does anyone ealse think Gary Troup didn't die in the crash and that he'll end up with the OTHERS?maybe some where in season 3 or 4?It seems odd to me that ALL the hype around the book and everything points to him dying in the crash.
I just feel it will turn out he is alive and was taken by the OTHERs.
Any comments on this would be appriciated.

It's been verified that Gary Troup was the man sucked into the engine during the pilot.

but his website - the address is printed in the dust jacket of Bad Twin - is of another opinion http://www.garytroup.com/ something to muse on... :rolleyes:

It's been verified that Gary Troup was the man sucked into the engine during the pilot.

Where and when was this verified?

Where and when was this verified?

Someone related to the show said it in an article. That thing at the website does raise some questions though...

Found the thread on it:

LMAO. I just read this at Lost-Media.com It's an article from the New York Times. Here's the related section of the article:


"Bad Twin" represents a hybrid between content and marketing, said Michael Benson, the senior vice president of marketing at ABC.

"We wanted the audience to believe this was real," he said of "Lost," adding that Troup can be seen being sucked into an airplane engine in the first episode. In an episode broadcast on Feb. 8, one of the show's characters was seen reading a manuscript of the book with the title, author and publisher clearly visible. In another episode shown this month, another character was seen reading the same manuscript, only to have it thrown into a fire by Jack, one of the castaways.


If you haven't noticed already, my evidence is bolded. LMAO. I can't believe they finally named our "Turbine Man."

Yeah, that's the article. So... if Gary Troup is alive, then... He's WRONG?

Well,I think it remains to be seen.Who knows maybe this won't be answered until season 5.I hope sooner,BUT only the writters and creative team KNOWS the TRUTH.
It was just a thought.It would make an interesting subplot twist if Gary shows up.

Well,I think it remains to be seen.Who knows maybe this won't be answered until season 5.I hope sooner,BUT only the writters and creative team KNOWS the TRUTH.
It was just a thought.It would make an interesting subplot twist if Gary shows up.

Well, I was waching the commentary for "The 23rd Psalm" and they said something about one of the characters wearing Gary's underwear...