New Clue Short Description:
Persephone numbers update / Hole 4

Date:
06/12/2006

Country:
online

Source:
persephone.thehansofoundation.org

URL:
persephone.thehansofoundation.org

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New numbers:

43 49 32 116 105 109 101 108 101 115 115

I haven't decoded them yet, but I HAVE noticed HOLE 4:

http://hole4.thehansofoundation.org/

The image there has the title "u8egnce86.gif" and looks a bit familiar...

In case it disappears (like the first version of the Hole3 image), here is a backup:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5397/u8egnce865hi.gif

ETA: More numbers have been added to persephone's site, 32 116 111 103 101 116 104 101 114
The full sequence is now:
43 49 32 116 105 109 101 108 101 115 115 32 116 111 103 101 116 104 101 114

The ascii translation:
+1 timeless together

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So the image at Hole 4 needs to be put together with what?

Could this be related to our new THF.org update (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53059)?

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Our filenames for the images at the "hole" sites:
- q9als2002.gif (from hole2)
- t9agen750.gif (from hole3)
- u8egnce86.gif (from hole4)

These filenames are, in fact, what need to be used "together" in order to find our next clue:

- Remove the final numbers of each final name, convert the 9's and 8's to I's and H's
- You are left with: qials tiagen uhegnce
- After playing around with anagrams, we discover that the phrase we need is:
light sequence again

Use this password for the MHA to see the new THF.org update (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53059).

The mental health appeal page seems to have been updated as well. The RSS feed updated for it this morning.

The mental health appeal page seems to have been updated as well. The RSS feed updated for it this morning.

werent we supposed to get a DJ DAN podcast update today? Maybe this is related to our podcast update?

The mental health appeal page seems to have been updated as well. The RSS feed updated for it this morning.
Yes, I noticed this as well.
I set it up as a new clue (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53059) in case these go in different directions.
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Maybe all 4 pictures need to be combined somehow, or perhaps just a couple of them?

OR

Could it be the filenames that require combining?
So far, they have been:
- q9als2002.gif (from hole2)
- t9agen750.gif (from hole3)
- u8egnce86.gif (from hole4)

timeless is an odd choice of words for that clue. pondering...

timeless is an odd choice of words for that clue. pondering...I agree. It must be important somehow.
Maybe the clock needs to be at zero or something?

2002 (from q9als2002) was initially thought of as a date. Timeless -- numbers aren't date or time. Filenames together or all pictures layered.

There is also some chatter that this may be a reference to the fact that none of the hands in the mental health pic have watches on their wrists. Perhaps they don't allow them at the Vik, so that they can't keep track of time?

Is it me or does the picture sort of look like Henry Gale?

2002 (from q9als2002) was initially thought of as a date. Timeless -- numbers aren't date or time. Filenames together or all pictures layered.

I keep trying to pick out some sort of pattern in the filename, but nothing there that I can see, aside from the number of letters in each (3, 4, 5). It doesn't help that my brain keeps substituting 'elegance' for the letters in the last filename.

If you enter timeless together on the subLYMONal site stuff from wiki comes up.
Then if you put in enternity more wiki stuff. I'm useless at putting clues together so I'll leave to the experts.

We never did quite figure out hole 2, but it may be worth reviewing our theories about it.

Here is the clue thread that we were using for that: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50262

How was the "save me" and "d2o" seen in the Hole 3 pic(s). What software, was it visible with zoom or applied filter?
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the numbers of the filenames:

9 2002 9 750 8 86

the letters:

q als t agen eu u egnce

How was the "save me" and "d2o" seen in the Hole 3 pic(s). What software, was it visible with zoom or applied filter?
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the numbers of the filenames:

9 2002 9 750 8 86

the letters:

q als t agen eu u egnce

I like your letters there, because "gaunt squeegee clan" cracks me up.

If you enter timeless together on the subLYMONal site stuff from wiki comes up.
Then if you put in enternity more wiki stuff. I'm useless at putting clues together so I'll leave to the experts.

Once you enter timeless into sublymonal, one of the lines of text in the background mentions 'Timeless_(demo)' If you enter that, it mentions a demo program that is available on the internet. I downloaded it, but it doesn't seem to do anything.

Here's a link:

http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=%2Fmirrors%2Fhornet%2Fdemos%2F1994%2 Ft%2Ftimeless.zip&fileinfo

We never did quite figure out hole 2, but it may be worth reviewing our theories about it.

Here is the clue thread that we were using for that: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50262

Heh. I want to see if I said anything about hole3...I had guessed overlaying an image for 2, but that turned out to be the next answer. Not that I would ever have guessed to layer it with itself.

Verizon has a plan called "Timeless". Nothing in the plan jumped out at me however.

the numbers of the filenames: 9 2002 9 750 8 86
the letters: q als t agen eu u egnce
Could it be the filenames that require combining?
So far, they have been:
- q9als2002.gif (from hole2)
- t9agen750.gif (from hole3)
- u8egnce86.gif (from hole4)
Note that the hole3 filename changed to t9agen75.gif (dropped the 0)

I think I have a possible solution:

From the letters, we extract and rearrange some of the letters and get:
quincet.e.a..en.e.

The remaining filename letters are lsageueg, which can be rearranged as "gel usage" or "sage luge", "gage slue" or perhaps "glues age", or even "gal segue" ... etc.... all as likely passwords as I've seen.

The remaining letters we find by guessing. They are hcrptr.
Translating these to numeric by alphabetic position, we have:
8 3 18 16 20 18, which sum up to 81.

So we need two digits, the 8 and the 1.
The 8 comes from the filename numbers (dropping the 0 from the 750 as explained above), we have 9 - 2 + 0 - 0 + 2 - 9 + 7 - 5 + 8 - 8 + 6 = 8
The 1 comes from the clue "+1 timeless together" meaning put it together with the 8.
Whala! we have our 81, and thus the result appears to be:

QuinceTheCarpenter :rolleyes:

(at last, it's all about me)

"Welcome to Timeless, a demo in Feb 1994 by Tran (a.k.a. Thomas Pytel).

Main crap:
----------

Once you start this demo, it will go on forever."

Are we looking at info about the hatch's program? Also, the file that comes with the demo mentions Dave. Could it be Libby's Dave? (or Hurley's?) And what does this mean? "so enjoy the illusion of reality you only think you
are experiencing. L8r... (or was it before???)..."

The image at hole4 may have a Yin Yang symbol on it (against the left side, directly to the left of the chin).

This could relate to the "timeless together" clue and the discussion of the HANSO logo on the retrieversoftruth message board in the section "What are they trying to hide right under our noses - 04/26/06"
BroadBandBeatnik asks "A password in Inuktitut?"

The syllable "Vik" as in Vik Institute, appears to be very common in Roman Inuktitut. See the Inuktitut Living Dictionary here www.livingdictionary.com (http://www.livingdictionary.com)

One of the Inuktitut dialects is "Labrador"

I found this. MAJOR CHEAT, but it has interesting info. I have no clue how to get to it without cheating yet.



(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)http:
//whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha Check out Zander as the doctor's name. Direct connection to Bad Twin?
(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)

I found this. MAJOR CHEAT, but it has interesting info. I have no clue how to get to it without cheating yet.



(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)http:
//whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha Check out Zander as the doctor's name. Direct connection to Bad Twin?
(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)yeah, I actually found that earlier today, it was in the decompiled flash... I saved and uploaded the image at http: //img386.imageshack.us/img386/2762/image153ja.jpg for future use but since no one had found the way to really get to it, I haven't posted it as a clue.
In a way it kind of spoils the fun if you don't actually find it.

yeah, I actually found that earlier today, it was in the decompiled flash... I saved and uploaded the image at http: //img386.imageshack.us/img386/2762/image153ja.jpg for future use but since no one had found the way to really get to it, I haven't posted it as a clue.
In a way it kind of spoils the fun if you don't actually find it.

I agree, it is more fun to actually find it. That's why I posted it as a spoiler for people who are playing the real way. I know it's difficult sometimes to stay updated on this and really devote a lot of time to it though. Those people just enjoy answers rather than more questions. Hope I didn't offend you too much!

If you enter timeless together on the subLYMONal site stuff from wiki comes up.
Then if you put in enternity more wiki stuff. I'm useless at putting clues together so I'll leave to the experts.
Remember that the text entry field at subLYMONal.com is linked to Wikipedia. If you enter any word that is in wikipedia but isn't a code for one of the Sprite commercials, you get the Wikipedia page. We know that "Persephone," for instance, isn't a significant word on subLYMONal.com because all we get when we enter it is text from Wikipedia.

All you're seeing when you enter "timeless together," or just "timeless" is a disambiguation page from Wikipedia.

Once you enter timeless into sublymonal, one of the lines of text in the background mentions 'Timeless_(demo)' If you enter that, it mentions a demo program that is available on the internet. I downloaded it, but it doesn't seem to do anything.

Again, this is from the Wikipedia page on Timeless. It's a demo program that was written 12 years ago. I don't figure it has anything to do with anything to do with the game.

Has anyone else investigated the file Greycloak found on Sublymonal? I got the program to run once on my computer, but now it's crashing and making me restart. Any ideas what it's all about? I sent an email to "Tron" to see if anything came back. Anybody have any guess as to what that's all about?

I checked it out. It looks like an eye-candy program written in assembly. It's pretty cool looking, but I don't know if it has anything to do with the ARG.

I found this. MAJOR CHEAT, but it has interesting info. I have no clue how to get to it without cheating yet.



(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)http:
//whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha Check out Zander as the doctor's name. Direct connection to Bad Twin?
(http://whataboutpp.com/lost/upload/images/?dir=/thehansofoundation/mha)

Maybe there's a certain synchronicity to that, since working backward is a heuristic technique.

I think we might be in the middle of a "lag time" here. It seems to me that hints and clues are given before the end points of those hints and clues are actually posted. We have, for instance, had several discoveries of sites from decompiled Flash code and HTML page source code that have led nowhere until other stuff was added to the Hanso Foundation site. Perhaps we can't find what we're looking for yet because it's not there yet.

I base this idea on the fact that, when there has been something in find on a page ot the Hanso Foundation site, that page takes significantly longer to load, and we see the Hanso logo counter. The MHA page is loading instantly, so it doesn't seem anything has been added to it yet.

I checked it out. It looks like an eye-candy program written in assembly. It's pretty cool looking, but I don't know if it has anything to do with the ARG.


hmm.... it was kind of cool looking, wasn't it? it's got to be something though... why else would it be associated with the sublymonal page? The guy who wrote the program's name is Thomas though.... that name will reappear in the spoiler cheat posted above.

Has anyone seen the new sublymonal commercial with the guy who has a mouth for an eye? If you poke around on the sight they reference that commercial and say something along the lines of "slowing it down will show more than what you initially see" or something like that. I'm going to have to go back and look at it again. Maybe we have a password clue in that commercial. Another fun advertising tie in!

Has anyone else investigated the file Greycloak found on Sublymonal? I got the program to run once on my computer, but now it's crashing and making me restart. Any ideas what it's all about? I sent an email to "Tron" to see if anything came back. Anybody have any guess as to what that's all about?
I don't know about "Greycloak." How did you find it? What is it?

--EDIT--
Oh, duh. "This file Greycloak found" as in "this file found by Greycloak," not "this file named Greycloak that was found." I get it now. Again, duh.

Still, I don't think the Timeless file is significant. See below. And above.

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hmm.... it was kind of cool looking, wasn't it? it's got to be something though... why else would it be associated with the sublymonal page?
It isn't really associated with the subLYMONal page. See my post #24 above. I don't think it's significant.

^ I agree...I didn't realize that the text in the background of sublymonal was wiki material.

I agree, it is more fun to actually find it. That's why I posted it as a spoiler for people who are playing the real way. I know it's difficult sometimes to stay updated on this and really devote a lot of time to it though. Those people just enjoy answers rather than more questions. Hope I didn't offend you too much!
No, no offense here!
Spoilerfont was definitely the nice way to do it. :)

The image at hole4 may have a Yin Yang symbol on it (against the left side, directly to the left of the chin).

This could relate to the "timeless together" clue and the discussion of the HANSO logo on the retrieversoftruth message board in the section "What are they trying to hide right under our noses - 04/26/06"
BroadBandBeatnik asks "A password in Inuktitut?"

The syllable "Vik" as in Vik Institute, appears to be very common in Roman Inuktitut. See the Inuktitut Living Dictionary here www.livingdictionary.com (http://www.livingdictionary.com)

One of the Inuktitut dialects is "Labrador"

Hmm. I suppose it could have a double meaning, but vik is very common in Icelandic place names as well--IIRC, it means 'bay'.

Okay, this is a little silly ... I looked for "timeless together" on google and found this page: http://philosophy.buffalo.edu/NEH06/iabrito.html where Bosch says "... the momentary and timeless together," and I went there and saw at the top "Edited by Jorge J. E. Gracia"

Gracia, not Garcia. So close. :doh:

I don't know what's worse.. trying to translate inuktitut, or wading through anagrams for the 'queen egg satan clue.' :24:

Hmm. I suppose it could have a double meaning, but vik is very common in Icelandic place names as well--IIRC, it means 'bay'. I'm just trying to make connections that might lead to a password.

I tried "bright" and "light" in various Inuktitut dialects as passwords on the Mental Health page, so far without success. For example, using www.livingdictionary.com (http://www.livingdictionary.com)

bright
qillitak [Roman Inuktitut] (labrador)
qilllirtug ( West Greenland )
qittaakkaaju ( East Greenland )
in'nqianaqtug ( Siglitun )

light
uqittuk [Roman Inuktitut] ( Labrador )
uritsiq [Roman Inuktitut] ( East Greenland )
uqittuq [Roman Inuktitut] ( Siglitun, Kvalliq, North Baffin, East Baffin, South Baffin )
( North Baffin ) uqumaingittuq kisutuinnaq agjagaksaujuq uqippuq. [ Inuktitut Dictionary:
Tununiq Dialect ]
uqitsuq [Roman Inuktitut] ( Natsilingmiutut, West Greenland )
ikumalik [Roman Inuktitut]

bright spark
qaummalak


Another word (one of many found when seaching for "together") :

two always together (two garments that are worn as one over the other)
tapiriittuuk


No luck yet, but maybe the password will turn out to be something in Inuktitut. The nearest region I could find to Iceland is "East Greenland."

My simple, logic flow of clue (with no solution :frown: ):


P updated "+1 timeless" as posted by DharmaChick (have I told you how fast you are before :) )

Then the page was FURTHER updated with "together" givng us "+1 timeless together"

Here goes:

+1 timeless -- hole 4 picture (photography is the TIMELESS capture of time so to speak, all art for that matter)

add "together" -- I really do think that something will "pop" up with layering the "Hole" pictures in SOME fashion and applying filters. I can't do this as I am not educated in this respect (Would appreciate a quick point in the right direction from one of you techies during the down time in the coming week :) ).

Trying to apply simplistic logic to this problem, if we look to patterns of solution first, hiding a clue in layering makes sense, as this was the method of delivery for the WWPDP clue. **If we have been given a new method of delivery (ie the original "hole2" pic, which gave way to "hole3" and a password. Was there a use for "hole2" other than to introduce the "holes"? -- that might be something :) ), we have been "warned" so to speak (ie P's riddle about "hole2" -- amouse doesn't ...). So what I'm saying is that we have not been "warned" about a password delivery shift and we have been presented an update that has followed the development of previous clues.

We should (am I sure you guys are) look to past methods of solution first. Wish I could help!
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Also was thinking of last weeks clue (with the countdown clock, etc.), that was in a sense a two-day clue, or two-part if you'd rather. I think we should look back to Hole4 tomorrow for a slightly altered image to work with. That is presuming of course that no one finds a solution tonight!

Another thought, have we received a new hack on a Monday before? Pretty much Tues, Wed, and Thurs only to the best of my recollection. (I am located in Central Time Zone US).

Just following a hunch here, but I think we're going to get another photo file that will complete what we're looking for....I'm just staring at those letters from the file names and it's soooo close to spelling "Gene sequence..." then something else...just need a few more letters, and it seems to fit with the general motif of the game. Hmmm....further looking at this, I'm still liking this idea...if you extract "sequence" from the file names, you end up with the following letters remaining: altagng...so, I'm guessing we can expect to get something that will have file names with 2 e's to complete "gene", and I think maybe something that will result in the rest spelling out altering, so you'd get "altering gene sequences"

I figured I'd best come back and edit this to add that Iceland several years undertook a project to map the DNA of everyone in the country, and there were all sorts of ethical rows about the issue...coincidence?

Hey Dharma,

How'd you figure this clue (light sequence again) out. I mean, there seems to have been a lot of focus on the filenames last night, to no avail. Well, at least on the boards. Did you just work it till it worked? You have surpassed rock and are now at earthquake status.

Kudos to Dharma, you split fault lines!

Hey Dharma,

How'd you figure this clue (light sequence again) out. I mean, there seems to have been a lot of focus on the filenames last night, to no avail. Well, at least on the boards. Did you just work it till it worked? You have surpassed rock and are now at earthquake status.

Kudos to Dharma, you split fault lines! Lol, thanks. :redface:

I certainly can't claim full credit for it, though, it's all about teamwork with this game!

As you can tell by my previous posts (before the right password was found), I was going on the idea with the filenames because I didn't see anything happening with the images and I figured that they must have had those odd names for a reason.

Someone that I was chatting with online mentioned converting just the 8s and 9s, as I was getting nowhere with just the letters and had no idea what to do with the numbers.

I only looked through the anagrams containing "light" because it appeared in that clickable quote area on the page (the MHA page).

ETA: Oh, and insomnia helps. LOL!

ROFLMAO...I have to admit to being totally confused and not checking the update on the first page! Off to see it myself and update the Maaaster again.

Hmm. I suppose it could have a double meaning, but vik is very common in Icelandic place names as well--IIRC, it means 'bay'.

A lot of places in Iceland have the ending -vík (as in Reykjavík, the capital). There is however a real (small) town on the south coast of Iceland which is just called Vík.

Labrador, which Quince refers to, is a region in Canada (and is quite often referred to in shipping forecasts here in Iceland) - I don´t think it is relevant to the game.

A lot of places in Iceland have the ending -vík (as in Reykjavík, the capital). There is however a real (small) town on the south coast of Iceland which is just called Vík.

Labrador, which Quince refers to, is a region in Canada (and is quite often referred to in shipping forecasts here in Iceland) - I don´t think it is relevant to the game.

I think it is relevant the Art Therapist/Psychologist position is in IS-VIK
http://www.hansocareers.com/3.asp

I think it is relevant the Art Therapist/Psychologist position is in IS-VIK
http://www.hansocareers.com/3.asp

I believe svanur meant only that Labrador (as in retriever, as well as an Inuktitut dialect) is not relevant. The Vik Institute in Iceland is clearly a part of Hanso... and a pretty freaky place judging by our latest letter clue. Oh btw.. why would fluency in Eastern Euro. languages, as well as applied math., be required for the position? Just to add that element of the bizarre that we see in each job listing, I suppose. :)

I believe svanur meant only that Labrador (as in retriever, as well as an Inuktitut dialect) is not relevant.

Indeed that is what I meant - thank you paradox :)

Oh btw.. why would fluency in Eastern Euro. languages, as well as applied math., be required for the position? Just to add that element of the bizarre that we see in each job listing, I suppose. :)

Eastern Euro. lang is not necessary to communicate with the locals, it must then mean that most of the patients are eastern Europeans? Even though they don't all speak the same language, and thus the person must be fluent in several languages.

Is it me or does the picture sort of look like Henry Gale?

Who else could it be?