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marblehead_johnson
06-16-2006, 07:33 AM
This has been heavily covered on the US forums - but they're laced with spoilers so I stopped reading em. Locke is filling in a crossword when Eko first arrives in the Swan station, the clue is 42 (note the use of the number) down - 'Enkidu's Friend'

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=820&pos=225

Locke writes in 'Gilgamesh' (although the answer seems to not fit with the other answers...)

God bless Wikipedia!! Here's the abridged version:

In Mesopotamian mythology Gilgamesh is credited to have been a demi-god of superhuman strength, a mythological equivalent to Hercules, who built a great wall in Iraq to defend his people from outer harm.

Enkidu challenges Gilgamesh. After a mighty battle, Gilgamesh breaks off from the fight (this portion is missing from the Standard Babylonian version but is supplied from other versions). Gilgamesh proposes an adventure in the Cedar Forest to kill a demon.

Gilgamesh and Enkidu, with help from Shamash, kill Humbaba, the demon guardian of the trees, then cut down the trees which they float as a raft back to Uruk.

Gilgamesh rejects the sexual advances of the goddess Ishtar. Ishtar asks her father, the sky-god Anu, to send the "Bull of Heaven" to avenge the rejected sexual advances. He does. Gilgamesh and Enkidu kill the bull.

The gods decide that somebody has to be punished for killing the Bull of Heaven, and it is Enkidu. Enkidu becomes ill and describes the Netherworld as he is dying. Stephen Mitchell and others interpret the punishment as being for the killing of Humbaba, as it was ordered to guard the Cedar Forest by the gods.

Gilgamesh sets out to avoid Enkidu's fate and makes a perilous journey to visit Utnapishtim and his wife, the only humans to have survived the Great Flood who were granted immortality by the gods, in the hope that he too can attain immortality. Along the way, Gilgamesh encounters the alewyfe Siduri who attempts to dissuade him from his quest.

Completion of the journey, by punting across the Waters of Death with Urshanabi, the ferryman.

I'm not claiming this as my own theory, but am interested in discussing them without the hindsight of our American friends. Could it be that Locke is representing Gilgamesh and Eko is Enkidu?

Are they to challenge the smoke monster? "...adventure in the Cedar Forest to kill a demon..."

Unfortunately, Enkidu dies in the story!

evassu esaelp
06-16-2006, 08:59 AM
wow i love that :biggrin: it would be seriously cool if they did go and try and kill the monster but Eko cant die it would just be wrong.

then again how would you go about killing a cloud

lh89
06-16-2006, 12:33 PM
Who sez its a cloud? As far as I know clouds can't massacre people!

Anyway channel 4 lost radio were talking about this and the fact that they could all have been put on the island to start a new civilised race, if that is everyone else on the planet died for some reason.
I hope Eko doesn't die, he's really dudey! I am v.much looking forward to the Locke/Eko relationship since they seem to be two sides of the same coin.

LivingIsEasyWithEyesClosed
06-17-2006, 05:36 PM
Doesn't anyone remember what the 'monster' did to the pilot in Episode 1. I dont know if it was the black smoke or not but the pilot was mangled.
Jaz

evassu esaelp
06-17-2006, 06:59 PM
yeah he was pretty messed up and the fact that the monster supposidly reacts to your feelings like the way it did to Locke in walkabout, the feeling of wanting to kill it would give you away. I reccomend a big hoover :biggrin:

Liplocked
06-27-2006, 04:29 PM
Hmmmm... the world's oldest story re-told for a character who plays the world's oldest game : backgammon.

I can go with Locke for this :biggrin: from what I read Gilgamesh morphs into Heracles as the story is adapted by other cultures and I always fancied John in that role.

It's set in what is now Iraq... ;)