I hate that man with my whole heart. He pointed a gun toward Kate and threatened to shot her in the head in front of Jack!

And now he kidnaps Jack, Kate, and Sawyer?! The fiend!

I sure hope he gets what is coming for him!

Zeke, sleep with one eye open because your death is near!

OHH i hate Zeke:mad: , like how dare he shoot sexy Sawyer and kidnapp Sawyer Kate and JACK!!!

OHH i hate Zeke:mad: , like how dare he shoot sexy Sawyer and kidnapp Sawyer Kate and JACK!!!

I'm with you on this one! :D I was not happy at all about any of his actions. :mad:

Shouldn't Fenry die first? Afterall, he seems to be the one giving the orders to Zeke, no?

Hands off from Henry and Zeke! Two of my beloved characters! :furious: :biggrin:

Shouldn't Fenry die first? Afterall, he seems to be the one giving the orders to Zeke, no?
Exactly. Fenry is by far worse than Zeke. But then again, we know Fenry a great deal more than we know Zeke. But it seems as if Fenry is the most important person out of the others and seems like the "leader" out of the Others. (Not saying that Fenry is "Him")

By the way, do you notice how Fenry never does any of the "dirty work"? For example, it wasn't him who actually physically kidnapped anyone (Walt, Kate, Jack, ect) Fenry was probably back at the headquarters drinking coffee and watching TV.

Sure, Zeke kidnapped KJ&S but who do you think planned that? Who do you think sent them out? Henry.

By the way, do you notice how Fenry never does any of the "dirty work"? For example, it wasn't him who actually physically kidnapped anyone (Walt, Kate, Jack, ect) Fenry was probably back at the headquarters drinking coffee and watching TV.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed that. Always in the background thinking of evil things... like putting lasers on the head of sharks... a la Dr. Evil in Austin powers.

I hate to say it, but I think Fenry has more integrity than any of the Liars, erh, I mean Losties. He keeps his word by gum! A deal is a deal. Yeah, right we'll see... If we see Michael and Walt next season in real-time (not in a flashback) then fenry conned them and sent him and walt to "Hostile Island" with a compass heading of 325. The one story line that I can see for next season if walt and michael indeed do escape, is to be tracked down by Pen (des's girl) and recruited to help find Liar's Island. But I think they will just disappear from the show.
In all honesty I dig Zeke's character. It is really interesting to see the extreme difference between his two characters. Zeke is just a gritty no-nonsense type of character. And his alter-ego Tom seems somewhat subdued and almost having a good time when fenry asks him where his beard is. Tom gives fenry a sheepish grin and says somewhat sarcastically, "I think they know."
The big question for me is why does zeke care that Mrs. Clugh/"Dee" uses his real name. Enough to strike back by revealing her real name? Ahh the sneaky little weasel.

^^^Groan! Where is my M-16?!

I can't stand either of them. But, mostlly Zeke/Tom. I hated seeing the fear in Kate's eyes when he put the gun to her throat. Jerk.

I can't stand either of them. But, mostlly Zeke/Tom. I hated seeing the fear in Kate's eyes when he put the gun to her throat. Jerk.

With you on that , that was aweful ! and he kicked defenceles Sawyer in the face in LTDA what a BANKER [-B + W]:biggrin:

Hands off from Henry and Zeke! Two of my beloved characters! :furious: :biggrin:

You said it! I think that it's a compliment to M.C. Gainey and Michael Emerson's acting abilities that they are able to provoke such intense fan response, even if it is negative (meaning, the complaints aren't "they're terrible actors!" but rather "I hate the things they do on the show!") I LOVE Tom's veneer of affability above his gruff intimidations and Fenry's calculated, manipulative nature. You can't have good conflict without good "villians."

I used the quotation marks because I think our perception of the Others is going to change drastically in season 3, and I hope Tom and Fenry are a big part of that!

I can't stand either of them. But, mostlly Zeke/Tom. I hated seeing the fear in Kate's eyes when he put the gun to her throat. Jerk.

That piece of :censored: ! He'll get what he deserves for doing that! Cannot forgive him for threatening Kate's life!:evil1: :furious: :mad2: :angryfire :wallbash:

You said it! I think that it's a compliment to M.C. Gainey and Michael Emerson's acting abilities that they are able to provoke such intense fan response, even if it is negative (meaning, the complaints aren't "they're terrible actors!" but rather "I hate the things they do on the show!") I LOVE Tom's veneer of affability above his gruff intimidations and Fenry's calculated, manipulative nature. You can't have good conflict without good "villians."

I used the quotation marks because I think our perception of the Others is going to change drastically in season 3, and I hope Tom and Fenry are a big part of that!

i agree completely i think season three will force us to question perspective and motives

Zeke Is Evil And Must Die!
James agrees with you! Which is why he told him (in "The Hunting Party," rerunning THIS WEDNESDAY) "We ain't done, Zeke."

Tom's gonna be WAY sorry he got on James' bad side. . . .

I dunno...I just love to hate them :grin: Not especially because Zeke is evil, but his arrogance made my blood boil several times.

If they (he and Fenry) die, than who's taking the part of the villain? The show needs them...

If they (he and Fenry) die, than who's taking the part of the villain?
"Him" will take those honors, Lea--and "He" will be far more dangerous and fearsome than Tom or Fenry ever were! :eek:

Not that I think Fenry's going anywhere for awhile!

"Him" will take those honors, Lea--and "He" will be far more dangerous and fearsome than Tom or Fenry ever were! :eek:

Not that I think Fenry's going anywhere for awhile!

Unless one of them is "Him" :biggrin:

But you are right, I can hardly wait to hate "Him"! :rolleyes:

You mean, you don't hate "Him" already? I've been hating "Him" since an upset Tom told Ethan (in "Maternity Leave"), "What am I going to tell Him?"

Then Fenry really got me worked up about the guy!

Compared to "Him," Ana Lucia was a minor irritant. Does THAT give you some idea of the level of hate I have for "Him"? :D

You mean, you don't hate "Him" already? I've been hating "Him" since an upset Tom told Ethan (in "Maternity Leave"), "What am I going to tell Him?"

Then Fenry really got me worked up about the guy!

Compared to "Him," Ana Lucia was a minor irritant. Does THAT give you some idea of the level of hate I have for "Him"? :D

:24:I didn't think you capable of suuuuuch hate, STH!

I'm with ya, but to SEE "him", to know what's he capable of and on what authority, that will be a way new level of hatred! Especially if as we think, we already know him...

I look at Zeke/Tom as a big lug who was doing what he was told to do. He's the muscle, the scary guy. Don't think he would have seriously hurt Kate...that was more for effect, IMO. He had to keep the Losties away from the Others camp until they did whatever it was that they had to do. He had to pose the threat.

Remember the look on his face when fHenry asked him where his beard was? He was kind of like "uuhhh..well..they knew, gosh".

Will have to wait and see for sure of course, but Zeke evil? pish...and you can say you told me so, if I'm wrong:smile:

P.S. don't know who shot at Sawyer on the raft, but I don't think it was him

I look at Zeke/Tom as a big lug who was doing what he was told to do. He's the muscle, the scary guy. Don't think he would have seriously hurt Kate...that was more for effect, IMO. He had to keep the Losties away from the Others camp until they did whatever it was that they had to do. He had to pose the threat.

Remember the look on his face when fHenry asked him where his beard was? He was kind of like "uuhhh..well..they knew, gosh".

Will have to wait and see for sure of course, but Zeke evil? pish...and you can say you told me so, if I'm wrong:smile:

P.S. don't know who shot at Sawyer on the raft, but I don't think it was him

Still, he has made me sanp by threatening the one person I like the most. No forgivness.

Still, he has made me sanp by threatening the one person I like the most. No forgivness.


On matters of the heart, I will agree with you Adam. Woe to anyone who would hurt Desmond...serious woe:chair:

I think Tom/Zeke will turn out to be just another Dharma/Other corporate flack, myself. He just isn't THAT significant. It's just that he's the main Other we've met so far (outside of Henry and Dee), and that hillbilly costume IS rather :eek:!

In lost tadition, he will be given a tragic past so you see him for the hero he is; then he will kill one of the main losties, pulling the rug out from under our feet, reminding us how to hate again.

I would not dare to say anybody on the island is evil. Some of them including our beloved Losties did evil things but when we learn to understand why they did it we can´t blame them. I want to give Zeke and the others a chance to explain.

Oh, I think The Others are "evil," all right. ESPECIALLY "Him"! There's doubtless more to Their story, which shall stir our sympathies. But the end really DOESN'T justify the means, so I'm not ever gonna consider Them buddies, or even basically trustworthy.

I just don't think Zeke/Tom is THAT important in The Others' pecking order. Fenry's the Team Manager, I think. And Dee IS crucial in some respects. Alex is key in many, many ways (and NOT "evil").

But I don't think we've scratched the surface about The Others yet.

I would not dare to say anybody on the island is evil. Some of them including our beloved Losties did evil things but when we learn to understand why they did it we can´t blame them. I want to give Zeke and the others a chance to explain.

I agree with you on that Hufflepuff (with the exception of the deal I made with Adam8023!)...not sure fHenry and his lot are indeed the "real" Others...(I still am waiting for "other" Others)..am of the mind that they are some kind of "freedom fighters" against Dharma/Hanso..also think that they may have become somewhat misguided along the way, but don't see them as pure evil.

There IS evil IMO, but not necessarily them..

I agree with you on that Hufflepuff (with the exception of the deal I made with Adam8023!)...not sure fHenry and his lot are indeed the "real" Others...(I still am waiting for "other" Others)..am of the mind that they are some kind of "freedom fighters" against Dharma/Hanso..also think that they may have become somewhat misguided along the way, but don't see them as pure evil.

There IS evil IMO, but not necessarily them..

It sounds like you're playing with the idea they might actually join the losties to go up against a common foe later on. It's very possible, and something I'd love to see. I happen to like Fenry, Tom and especially Alex and Pickett, although I'm not fond of Klugh at the moment.

It sounds like you're playing with the idea they might actually join the losties to go up against a common foe later on. It's very possible, and something I'd love to see. I happen to like Fenry, Tom and especially Alex and Pickett, although I'm not fond of Klugh at the moment.


Exactly, Billy. I can't get past the thought that fHenry & Co. have something positive to offer our Losties...for all of their seemily evil actions (snatching children and as we now understand it the "good" people..blowing up the raft) there is just something gnawing at my gut that says they are doing these things only because they are desperate. And the Losties have given them the edge that they have been waiting for...both parties need each other.

So here's hoping that's how it will play out...because I'd love to see it happen, too.

Only. . .August. . .2nd. . . .

:crybaby:

I am NEVER gonna last till October 4! :sadwalk:

Hang on, STH...:smile:

Ain't gonna happen. . .October 4 is just a false hope The Others are giving us. . .soon, they will go BWAHAHA and crush us. . . .:bawling:

Please stay on topic and cut down the one liners...

On topic comment: Zeke is only misunderstood.... just like Ethan... and remember what he said: We're the good guys.

So both - our losties and the others - believe they're the good guys... and our losties are not the survivors they think they are... which means... the others are good, the losties are bad.

OMG! I think I've just figured it out!

On topic comment: Zeke is only misunderstood.... just like Ethan... and remember what he said: We're the good guys.
Um--Majandra? It was FENRY who said "we're the good guys," not Zeke.

No offense. Really. :hide:

Well, that doesn't change my theory, does it? ;)

Zeke is still misunderstood and the Others are the good guys...

No, it doesn't change your theory. :doh:

Seriously, Majandra. I know it'd be just like the LOST honchos to make The Others more sympathetic. (They ain't into black and white as much as stones and board games seem to imply.) But GOOD GUYS?! That's straining things more than a bit, don't ya think?
:eek1:

Geez, don't take everything I say so bloody serious... I'm just having fun coming up with some wild theories... come on... that's what hiatuses are for, aren't they? ;)

I guess. I just want THIS hiatus to be OVER!! :down: