These epi threads are there for those who want to chat about epis with fans, because we seem to be so far behind everyone else. Many of the equivalent dedicated episode threads on the Lage contain spoilers now. If you are from outside the, or are/have been 'spoiled', please be aware that this is the latest episode here, feel free to post, but please respect those here that haven't seen beyond The Hunting Party. Thank you. M

Jack not Jesus?
The child kidnapper returns?
The Others?
Jack not talking to Kate?
Jack wanting to build an army?
Jack and Ana Lucia? ( <-----Michaud)Was one of the above knawing at you after this episode, or perhaps something else? Discuss these and any other burning issues here........... GO!!

Jerk was having a bleepity! bleep! bleep! day wasn't he? :glare: I'll watch properly next week and post thoughts and findings then... I may have even calmed down a little. lol

Another jaw dropped as the Others reveal themselves! I thought for a second that Sawyer knew 'Zeke', but then I've missed all his little quick nicknames while he's been out of it.

Interesting that the Others are made out to be non-threatening, they're certainly not intending to come and take away all the lostaways, and seem happy to live in unison. Still, they refuse to return Walt, so everything is done on their terms. They obviously see the Lostaways as a threat, as they willing to leave each other alone.

Whats with Locke choosing to call Sawyer James at this point? Could Locke be attempting to cure Sawyers personal demons too by making him face them?

Another jaw dropped as the Others reveal themselves! I thought for a second that Sawyer knew 'Zeke', but then I've missed all his little quick nicknames while he's been out of it.

Interesting that the Others are made out to be non-threatening, they're certainly not intending to come and take away all the lostaways, and seem happy to live in unison. Still, they refuse to return Walt, so everything is done on their terms. They obviously see the Lostaways as a threat, as they willing to leave each other alone.

Whats with Locke choosing to call Sawyer James at this point? Could Locke be attempting to cure Sawyers personal demons too by making him face them?

I think Locke was making a point, Sawyer goes round calling people names which alot of the time are based on appearences which some may find offensive, Sawyer is obviously touchy about his name and Locke knows this.

When Sawyer calls beardy Zeke, is that an american reference? Does anyone know why he calls him that?

I'm not sure I would attribute such words/sentences as 'non-threatening' and 'happy to live in unison' to the Others, It wasn't exactly all sitting around the campfire toasting marshmallows and singing hymns was it? I think it's fair to say they were pretty hostile.

Why at that point? - I know not Marblehead :) but I presume, as "everyone gets a new life on the island." John sees what has eluded James: that he needn't be 'Sawyer' any more.

Face his fears? - maybe. His past is a nasty place and who could blame him for wanting to be someone else. Son to a murdering father and orphaned in front of his eyes... horrible.

But his choice was piss poor. Doesn't have to be a mistake that ruins the rest of his life though - if he can move on. It's time our identity adopter became the man he might have been...

I called him 'our' :rolleyes: had to happen :D - couldn't remain immune to his snarky charm for ever.
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Zeke? - sounds biblical and suits a guy with face fungus an old testiment prophet would be proud of.

Fantastic episode!
The tension between Jake and Kate!
We now know more about the Others, although they took half of the tailies and Walt, they didn't seem TOO threatening towards Jack, Locke and Sawyer (minus the holding of Kate at gun point.)
It was also nice to see Jin with Sun. Although he wanted to help find Michael, he understood that Sun couldn't bare to loose him again.

I'm also getting used to Ana Lucia. I think it's because she's kept herself away from the others and isn't being so controlling as we have seen in previous episodes...

It seems the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle is turning into a Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Ana love square! It's sick is what it is.
Poor little Charlie as well, he's very sneaky, you feel sorry for him even though he's a lying junkie horder who obviously has access to a DIY blonde highlighting kit which no one seems to have figured out!

Zeke brings to mind the sort of grizzled prospector kind - i'm assuming its all based on his appearance. A quick dive into the spoilerised threads over the pond gives us the following to discuss:

'Zeke', quoting "A man much smarter than any of us standing here..." and saying "mankind is blessed with curiosity", is quoting Alvar Hanso
"From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity. Our most precious gift, without exception, is the desire to know more - to look beyond what is accepted as the truth and to imagine what is possible."
- Alvar Hanso, Address to the U.N. Security Council, 1967

"Bring 'er out, Alex!"
When Zeke reveals Kate, she is brought out by Alex. Rousseau's daughter was called Alex...

Hmmm, not convinced the name thing is that random.

Did anyone else think that when Jack mentioned Ethan, Zeke didn't show any acknowledgement of who that is? Or, is that just me?

Oh, I forgot to type a sarcastic comment about St. Jack kissing another woman and how he's fallen from grace, TPTB could have tried harder than that! We learn the one bad thing he's ever done and then 2 seconds later he's the vicim again cause someone treated him worse. sickening :drowsy:

Did anyone else think that when Jack mentioned Ethan, Zeke didn't show any acknowledgement of who that is? Or, is that just me?

I wondered that too - might have to watch it again but I thought it was a poker face. Certainly no agony or flinching at the thought of Ethan dying, and they didn't attempt to reclaim the body or seek any further vengance.

It seems the Jack/Kate/Sawyer love triangle is turning into a Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Ana love square! It's sick is what it is.
Poor little Charlie as well, he's very sneaky, you feel sorry for him even though he's a lying junkie horder who obviously has access to a DIY blonde highlighting kit which no one seems to have figured out!

A squarangle? :undecide: but, but... I just had the angles of the triangle worked out: 180 degrees allows you to do a perfect about face :biggrin: - just what the lady needs when she keeps changing her mind. Ah well, it was always a boreangle to me. :undecide:

:lemon: juice and sunshine will lighten your hair a treat. ;)
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Hmmm, not convinced the name thing is that random.

Did anyone else think that when Jack mentioned Ethan, Zeke didn't show any acknowledgement of who that is? Or, is that just me?

Oh, I forgot to type a sarcastic comment about St. Jack kissing another woman and how he's fallen from grace, TPTB could have tried harder than that! We learn the one bad thing he's ever done and then 2 seconds later he's the vicim again cause someone treated him worse. sickening :drowsy:

Jack kissing another woman wasn't nearly so bad as his going home to his wife crying: I did a bad thing, and now I feel bad... forgive me and make it all better.

Where's his backbone? You protect the people you love - he dumped his guilt on his Mrs and burdened her with how to deal with his screw-up!

I saw a similar situation in MASH about a thousand years ago - guy had to talk a friend out of writing his (the friend's) wife about a single incidence of infidelity. He told him it was his responsibility to live with his guilt and to hurt his wife with it - because he felt bad and needed to be forgiven - was... well I can't recall exactly.

But it amounted to : you made your bed... don't expect your wife to launder your sheets.

Does nobody wonder who Sara was actually having her affair with cos knowing lost its probably someone we already know!
My money would be on Sawyer cos thats what he does plus Jack's a doc and they get a fair amount of money, it also would add tension between the two as well.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Can't stand ana! What is Jack doing?

A squarangle? :undecide: but, but... I just had the angles of the triangle worked out: 180 degrees allows you to do a perfect about face :biggrin: - just what the lady needs when she keeps changing her mind. Ah well, it was always a boreangle to me. :undecide:

:lemon: juice and sunshine will lighten your hair a treat. ;)
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Jack kissing another woman wasn't nearly so bad as his going home to his wife crying: I did a bad thing, and now I feel bad... forgive me and make it all better.

Where's his backbone? You protect the people you love - he dumped his guilt on his Mrs and burdened her with how to deal with his screw-up!

I saw a similar situation in MASH about a thousand years ago - guy had to talk a friend out of writing his (the friend's) wife about a single incidence of infidelity. He told him it was his responsibility to live with his guilt and to hurt his wife with it - because he felt bad and needed to be forgiven - was... well I can't recall exactly.

But it amounted to : you made your bed... don't expect your wife to launder your sheets.

A squarangle! I like it.

Yeah I agree with you about Jack, some one needs to punch him and do me a favour. I love to hate Jack, he's such a good character because everyone feels something about him.

As for the lemon theory, we haven't seen any lemons so far have we? it's very suspicious.

Yeah I agree - let's go find someone with a mouth like a cats bum and ask that sucker where the lemons are!

I'll bet Saywer's pack ratted them away as a bargening tool - Jack's gonna start missing his mixers soon... ;)

Does nobody wonder who Sara was actually having her affair with cos knowing lost its probably someone we already know!
My money would be on Sawyer cos thats what he does plus Jack's a doc and they get a fair amount of money, it also would add tension between the two as well.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Can't stand ana! What is Jack doing?


What if it were the guy Kate was married to? That would be interesting...

What if it was Kate!!!!!! That would be a mother of a twist!

What if it was Kate!!!!!! That would be a mother of a twist!

LOL :laugh:

Perhaps Zeke didn't react to Jack mentioning Ethan because that's not his real name, and so whilst Zeke knows 'Ethan', he might not know that name he uses.

And isn't Zeke just a common 'hillbilly' nickname?

Maybe theres hundreds of them so Zeke doesn't no all the names perhaps!
An anagram of Ethan Rom is Other man!

IMO Sawyer used 'Zeke' as a redneck reference. He's probably thought about him a lot since the Raft incident, and had already named him perhaps.

Did anyone notice Zeke's look at Locke, and the little speech about not opening things you're not supposed to? I liked that.... and perhaps the Others are watching them closer than they think. :sly:

It makes me wonder if there is another infiltraitor in the group? One that was on the plane perhaps? That would be v.interesting! But who could it be? Not Locke i'm certain of that.

You could be right, but my guess is that the Others are watching them, rather than there being another mole in the camp.

How long would it take to train an army? - hmmmmm what a shame there isn't a professional soldier on the island Jack might have asked instead of pouty miss 'shoot first ask questions later' :rolleyes: No wonder Sayid's looking pissed lately.

What with leaving button abandoning Kate behind to err "...take care of the button" lol - although she presumably got Hugo and Charlie to cover her shift this time, so there's some improvement - you have to question his judgement.

The boy done good in his dialogue with Mike though - reasoned, considered, and not at all like the gung-ho wanker I so enjoy.:bigrinan: Thank goodness it didn't last! Top episode. Well done to all involved.

~ How come Locke being a "bald Pookie" can be broadcast as said by Charlie but I can't repeat the word in print here? :confused: ~

I know its stupid isnt it, the only people who read this board are people who watch the show!!!

A few things:

'Zeke' - "We Wouldnt hurt you Jack"

as though jack is something special.


About the Zeke thing.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4720/zeke1lg.jpg
Same actor?

Btw first post!

Welcome Gangster Priest!!!
Glad you could join us!!!!!:jump: :clap:

Anyway I think Zeke meant we won't hurt you now Jack if you do as we ask, but maybe not, I have been pondering the same question myself. They would hurt Kate tho, I wonder what the difference between j/k could be?

Its the way he says the thing about Jack, and something about walt being 'fine' and being a 'very special boy'

A few people seem to have 'special abilities' like walt's ability to make things he sees happen, an jacks ability to fix people when they are supposedly helpless. The others dont want to hurt these people.

Jack can't fix everybody as we saw in this ep! Nor did he fix the marshal or boone, I dn't think he has special healing powers!

As for Walt, mystery like every lost character surrounds him, but yes I'd agree he has psychic powers.

Its the way he says the thing about Jack, and something about walt being 'fine' and being a 'very special boy'

A few people seem to have 'special abilities' like walt's ability to make things he sees happen, an jacks ability to fix people when they are supposedly helpless. The others dont want to hurt these people.


That seems a good theory, considering Goodwin, presuming he is from the same group, distinquished between 'good' and 'bad' people.

Does anyone think why Jack is angry at Kate before the hike as he snapped at her, do you think Sawyer heard Jack say " i know you love her". He seemed to me a little bit jealous.... any thoughts?

I think Jack was confused by Sawyer saying he loved her, then Kate kissing him, I think he just wanted to clear his head and so he didn't really want Kate around messing it up again, plus he cares for Kate din't want her to get hurt! Jack doesn't care about Sawyer.

Jack doesn't care about Sawyer.

I have to disagree, sorry! If Jack doesn't care for Sawyer why did he help look after him when Sawyer got shot and gave him antibiotics? I'm guessing Jack is confused and letting all his anger at Kate and i think he is even more angry and betrayed at kate because she didn't listen to Jack and went after them.

I'd have to agree with you, Jack must be really miffed with Kate. I think he's moving his attention over to Ana......??

I have to disagree, sorry! If Jack doesn't care for Sawyer why did he help look after him when Sawyer got shot and gave him antibiotics? I'm guessing Jack is confused and letting all his anger at Kate and i think he is even more angry and betrayed at kate because she didn't listen to Jack and went after them.

Jack can't just let him die can he? even if he didn't have a hero complex, it's human nature. But, it doesn't mean he really cares about Sawyer. He cares in the way that he has too cause he's human.

i don't know if this has been said but why did sawyer say that zake shot him on the raft zake never shot him it was that other guy on the boat thats a bit weird

Agreed - It was pretty dark , it happened so fast,seconds later he was in the water and he didn't have the benefit of video replays like we have. so I think you can forgive him for pronouncing Zeke guilty by association!

Hmmm, not convinced the name thing is that random.

Did anyone else think that when Jack mentioned Ethan, Zeke didn't show any acknowledgement of who that is? Or, is that just me?


I think that was just you sorry, I was re-watching some of the episodes the other day and remembered that Zeke is the guy who was talkin to Ethan outside the 'nursery' when Claire was knitting!!!

Zeke is the guy who was talkin to Ethan outside the 'nursery' when Claire was knitting!!!

Huh? What episode is this from? Is it a flashback?

I think that was just you sorry, I was re-watching some of the episodes the other day and remembered that Zeke is the guy who was talkin to Ethan outside the 'nursery' when Claire was knitting!!!

You really should have spoiler text that as we are not that far in Season 2 yet.

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Please remember that even though you have seen all episodes it doesn't mean that everybody else has...

Can a plain ole American Anglophile get in on this thread? "Zeke" is definitely a sarcastic hillbilly reference.

Any ideas about Kate's motivation to follow them anyway? I mean, I would because I have brothers and learned early it's easier to go around them when they want to be all macho and controlling like Jack- lol! But that's me! And it seems like the whole confrontation was about the Others saying, leave us to what we are about and we won't hurt you, since they could have just offed Jack and the rest right then and be done.

Re: John calling Sawyer by his real name, I really like the post about Locke making a point about who he "really" is as opposed to the sick f*** he has invented in response to his history. Cool. I would love to see John and Sawyer get a whole manly friendship going (I love manly friendships, in men of course). Strange that no characters seem to respond to Locke, except Boone and Walt where he had a teacher kind of relationship. (And didn't he teach Michael to shoot earlier?) I love Locke! He seems like the one to watch.

Namaste!