Democracy works right? Lets see what people think.

- Original appreciation day thread - http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=3572.0

I've brought this up on the appreciation thread but no one seemed to want to change it. I personally think that we need to do 7 days...7 people. Not 7 days....5 people and the friday person gets 2 extra days. Its honestly not fair.

I agree Tari, it almost shows favoritism toward one person. It's not like you can't get belated appreciation messages... I do that on occasion too... but why does one person need three days?

I agree about the 7 days, 7 people....

It only makes sense.

*Votes*

Its not really fair to the people that don't have a weekend appreciation.

I chose "Everyday of the week".. reason I chose that is because I do not believe one person having the whole weekend to themselves for appreciation DAY is not fair. This can turn into a whole favoritism deal and that's not cool.

And before people freak out.. I HAD a whole weekend for appreciation and I STILL believe it should be one day per person.

That is all.

i completely understand this issue, but what are you going to do for those
that DONT visit the boards at all on the weekends?
does that mean that they will be SOL if they are picked?
how are you going to make that fair to them?

IMO there are more people around Mon-Fri than on the weekends.
that means that those that are picked on the weekend are going to
get less appreciations.* is there a way to fix that?

do i think it is favoritism for the Friday person?* no i dont.
i dont see why it is thought of as an App weekend...it is for the one day, Friday.
so what that they get the whole weekend to pick the next receipient.

when this all started i knew that there were some inherent problems with the App Day.
that said...i think so far it has been quite nice.* and NOT just b/c i was picked.
i am sure you all will work it out.

I think we should time it so that the people who are active on the board on weekends should have weekend appreciation days (I mean, if we don't do that already...I dunno how you guys have been working it thus far).

Also, people tend to scroll back anyway, so if people don't get their appreciation shout-outs during the weekend due to poor attendance, chances are absentees will still make up for it when they come back on Monday, won't they?

Edit: Building on what Tari Luinwe just said below me, and re-iterating my first point...if we have any real idea of the general time that a regular usually spends here, maybe we can sort of...tailor their appreciation days accordingly. If we know a person works all week, maybe we can try and schedule their AD on the weekend, and so on. I don't know how well this will work since there are probably a lot of people who work during the week.

do i think it is favoritism for the Friday person? no i dont.
i dont see why it is thought of as an App weekend...it is for the one day, Friday.
so what that they get the whole weekend to pick the next receipient.


That works out great if that was the way it goes. But thats not how it goes. The Friday person usually gets appreciated the entire weekend. Which equates to 3 days instead of one. Yes they get to think up who will be picked on Monday but till then they are appreciated throughout the weekend.

Personally I would have LOVED to have been appreciated on the weekend. I work a 10 hour job Mon-Fri. I missed a good 10 hours of my appreciation day because I was at work. I didn't even know I was appreciated till I got home after 6pm and saw everyone appreciating me. I loved it but I would have loved it more if I could have been there during all of it.

Just my two cents.

Halfrek, I completely understand what you're sayin. But just to play devils advocate for a second, What about the people who aren't really on during the week? I know that sometimes it's hard to get on during the week when you're working/going to school and don't have much of a chance to get on and post much when you're tired and want to get to sleep, then don't have time in the morning because you have to get to school/work. When this is the case you're only chance is on the weekend, but when everything is put on hold and people are catching up on appreciating the friday person or whatever... Are those people SOL if they're appreciated during the week?

I think appreciation day was just supposed to be something fun to build comradeship amongst us. I think this is all pretty unnecessary. I think it wound up being 5 people in 5 days and the it evolved to the Friday person tending to get appreciated all through the weekend.
People were being gracious by extending appreciation to that Friday person through the weekend, is it really such a big deal?

I want to ditto what Halfrek said. *Moreover, and I appreciate what Faith said, I think that the standard was set weeks ago. *There are a few who have had a full weekend. *However, the board seems slower to me on Friday and on the weekends so I don't think the Friday/weekend person gets anymore attention/appreciation. *If you say its unfair to have a whole weekend, then does it become unfair to appreciate someone on a Wednesday or Thursday when the board's the busiest and more likely to be visited by VIPs? *If this is such an issue, then why is it only being brought up now ... this weekend?

Just my opinion ... *;)

I think appreciation day was just supposed to be something fun to build comradeship amongst us.* I think this is all pretty unnecessary.* I think it wound up being 5 people in 5 days and the it evolved to the Friday person tending to get appreciated all through the weekend.*
People were being gracious by extending appreciation to that Friday person through the weekend, is it really such a big deal?


Wouldn't 7 days for 7 people allow for more people to be appreciated? Share more of the love?


If this is such an issue, then why is it only being brought up now ... this weekend?



Why this weekend? Why not? I know it was brought up in the main thread a while back and I thought that it should be put to a vote. Why now? Because I wasn't really on this week until last night and tonight, and last night I was catching up, not posting new stuff.

very good points all of you. *

how about someone start a poll *or thread or some way to take the posting
habits and names of the posters *
and make it into a list that the App. person could pick from.

i dont spend as much time here as i would like...and i have not been able to keep up
with all the new posters. *i would have no clue who to pick if i had to pick now.

i think a list or something would be helpful for everyone.

OK, I'll appreciate any old time, whatever we go with. (For some reason, the way we're using it here sounds like it should be a very old school street term, like in the Yo MTV Raps era. What up dogs, appreciate.)

What about a compromise, if we have one person for M-F, and one for Sat-Sun? It could even out the fewer people on weekend vs. one person being appreciated for three days. And, perhaps a good idea to PM and check with the person you want to appreciate next to see when they're here most.

And, if we get up to six/seven appreciates a week, that's appreciating mo people faster, but we want to be sure everyone's got the quality too. Word.

Please make me stop, I'm bad at this. :)

I think the point here is not the random person being appreciated for more days than everyone else, that's how it happened and it's fine. But wouldn't it be better if more people got appreciated through the week?
I know I, for one, will not be able to be here as much starting Feb 20 and I would like to appreciate as many people as possible until that day.

It's true that some people aren't here during the weekend... but then again, not everyone are here every day of the week right?

I don't know, the whole logic of 7 people in 7 days just sounds right to me.

Here's an idea, guys....what if we appreciated some of the VIPs on weekends? That's when they are here the most. Plus, we all do appreciate them. Then, Friday's appreciatee could pick Monday's appreciatee. I think that would be awesome for the VIPs...and it would include them!

Im for appreciation days on the weekends just because more people can get the honor!

Besides the 9-5 weekday work era is dead for the most part, and i see that people on friday get more appreciations on saturday at times then friday. Which is great, but that means there are more then enough people who would post appreciation for someone on saturday. Sunday IS a bit dead...so maybe have sunday be a rest?

GNS: No one is trying to make anything 'unneccesary'. I actually said something on the LB last weekend about it. I couldnt understand the weekend break..it didnt make sense to me.

I could get behind that Golop, provided we aren't talking about yanking this Friday out from underneath Aurora's feet, cause I find that highly unfair and pretty rude. *I would be all for starting this next Friday....would the Fri person choose the VIP and the Monday person?

Sounds a little complicated....could be tricky....appreciation day has turned into rocket science.

Lexi -- I must have missed previous posts ....

Golo and Carencey ... both great thoughts. *I think VIP days would be awesome! *

Let's keep in mind that it is assumed that whoever is passed the torch hasn't asked for it, therefore its random who gets weekends verses weekdays. *Whether one or three, I just don't think its that big of a deal ... just apprecitate that other 'Lagers are appreciating you... *;D

I could get behind that Golop, provided we aren't talking about yanking this Friday out from underneath Aurora's feet, cause I find that highly unfair and pretty rude. I would be all for starting this next Friday....would the Fri person choose the VIP and the Monday person?

Sounds a little complicated....could be tricky....appreciation day has turned into rocket science.


I think what Golo meant was that you appreciate ALL the VIP's on the weekends and still let the Friday person pick the Monday person.

I would just like to say that in no way is anyone trying to yank anything from underneath anyone. I personally have mentioned this same thing a few weeks ago.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=3572.15

It was to no avail mind you but I at least brought up the subject. I just think the weekenders would enjoy a little time themselves. I know the boards might be slower but hey maybe the boards would pick up if we did make appreciations on the weekend.

I admit I would go along with just a general VIP love on the weekends...every weekend. That way they know they are special to all of us. And then the Friday person would still be able to announce their pick for appreciation on Monday.

GNS: Well it wouldnt start this week ...that is for sure.

BUT why is this about yanking anything from anybody? I know that wasnt my thought when i voted..i was thinking more people. Which is a good thing.

hello everyone,

I posted this before but got booted before it became official :)

I think the reason we might have a hard time unraveling all of this is because appreciation day itself is inherently going to seem like favoritism. I know that when I first came on here it was just a few days before appreciation days started, and I felt *so* awkward. I didn't know anybody, I was trying to get to know everybody, and it just made me feel like I wasn't welcome. I didn't know these people, everyone knew everyone else...

Maybe we could keep the nice idea behind these days but make it something like "Friendly Fridays" or something like that, where multiple people can get "appreciated." I think that while appreciation days are a good concept, they run the risk of making too many people uncomfortable.

yes, that is what I meant because we do not know when VIPs will be on the board.....So, appreciate VIPs (all VIPs) on weekends..

And I am not saying to

yanking this Friday out from underneath Aurora's feet

I know that this subject has been posted about before and has nothing to do with Aurora....I appreciate all that Aurora does for this board.

That's an interesting idea Jorie...perhaps on the 15ths we can just go nuts.

Interesting Tari/Golop, I guess I wasn't thinking that way cause Javi got all excited about choosing someone when he had his half day when Fifi was MIA. *I think it'd be cool if we could inform them ahead of time that it was going to be their day and then they could pass the torch the next weekend and give the next VIP a week warning heads up. *That would be fun!

Jenn/Golop- I would HOPE that no one was thinking of purposely changing things to effect the current appreciated 'lager, but I'm a pessimist and always question people's intentions.

Jorie- A newbie appreciation day is also a good idea!

Well said JorieJC ....

On that note ... that sort of underscored the reason for the tone of my first post. *When the appreciation days started they seemed a little clique-ish to a intermittent poster/heavy lurker like me. *So today was the first day that the appreciation seemed to break out of the perceived clique and then this thread was posted. *That's why it appeared suspect to me ... I'm all for everyone being appreciated b/c however long one has been posting, everyone brings life to the 'Lage.

:-*

Ok so we all agree that weekends should be VIP love.
Interesting Tari/Golop, I guess I wasn't thinking that way cause Javi got all excited about choosing someone when he had his half day when Fifi was MIA. I think it'd be cool if we could inform them ahead of time that it was going to be their day and then they could pass the torch the next weekend and give the next VIP a week warning heads up. That would be fun!


GNS that would be too hard to contact the VIP in advance. What we could do that was simple is just appreciate ALL the VIP's. Just tell them we love them and are glad they are so wonderful to come and spend time with us. Thats all we have to do. That way they know how much we appreciate them. Not a specific VIP a weekend because thats too much and too hard to accomplish.

When the appreciation days started they seemed a little clique-ish

Well, I haven't seen that. I have seen people be appreciated that I had never even seen before and I know some people have been appreciated just because the person who got to pick knew that they had a bad week or something. And I think it is great to make one person feel great about themselves. Their own special day. A way to show a specific person why and how we appreciate them.

Maybe supplementing what Jeze just posted....as many of you sort of alluded to in *your posts, Aurora has had disagreements with people, and often times they have been strongly spoken. I think that the fact so many people alluded to negativity in their appreciation posts unfortunately *makes this look....not accidental, whether or not that was the intention.

In any case, I think that Aurora should be allowed to have her time in the sun this weekend...I mean, that's in her name, right? But after that, I really think we might want to consider putting all sorts of appreciation days by the wayside. Are notes of appreciation really worthwhile if you're getting them from people who don't know you? I'd much rather have a note like I got from Hijinx yesterday saying she respected me (even despite channeling Christina Aguilera) because it was genuine, unforced, and unexpected. If we all are nice to everybody all of the time, the board will be such a happier place, and we won't be spending our weekends arguing about little details like well, like this...

Cliquish? Trust me....most of the people chosen are not part of any 'clique'. Most of them have just been on the board for a while.

As for it just coming up, I have been talking about this for a bit. I was confused when my friend Lost Serenity had the whole weekend and thought it was just because it was new. And when my friend Fifi had it too i asked about it on the LB. Agreed the timing is..questionable and I wouldnt have chosen to make this thread today. But its here and i might as well put my opinion on the matter forward.

Jenn,

Hi!

Golo and Jenn....Perhaps the word clique seems strange...I understand that a lot of you have been on here for a long time. You naturally have a history. You maybe have seen each other in person, etc. But for people like me who are new or for people not so new but maybe not grizzled veterans, the closeness you all have can kind of *seem* like cliqueyness. I think all Jeze was trying to say is that the appreciation day thang sort of....highlighted that sense. Of course people will pick who they know and for various reasons....but that's why I'm against this whole thing anyway.

Oh, I like that GNS (Newbie Appreciation Day I mean), even better than the whole going crazy concept, which actually could backfire now that I think about it. *We could start this month, have say one a month, and then the next time a newbie would be defined as anyone who joined since the last Newbie Appreciation Day. *Or that particular month. *Or however. :)

I understand that a lot of you have been on here for a long time. You naturally have a history. You maybe have seen each other in person, etc. But for people like me who are new or for people not so new but maybe not grizzled veterans, the closeness you all have can kind of *seem* like cliqueyness.

Ummm....I haven't been on here for very long.....and I have never met anyone here. I was appreciated by someone I really barely knew. And I appreciated the person who told me about the Fuselage, whom I only knew because of a Yahoo Group.

Maybe supplementing what Jeze just posted....as many of you sort of alluded to in your posts, Aurora has had disagreements with people, and often times they have been strongly spoken. I think that the fact so many people alluded to negativity in their appreciation posts unfortunately makes this look....not accidental, whether or not that was the intention.


This personally doesn't have anything to do with Aurora. I'm sorry it happened on her appreciation day but it was inevitable and it could have happened on anyones day. It could have happened on mine. I actually think drama went down on mine. I don't remember...wasn't there all day. But my main idea was lets spread the love to more people. I was just made Teacher of the Month at my work and I am overjoyed about it. Sounds crazy but not as much as I was happily appreciated on here. I just want more people to experience the happiness and joy I felt on my day. Even strangers saying they appreciate me didn't matter. It was the overall love I was feeling from everyone. I just think EVERYONE should experience that. Thats all I was trying to say by wanting 7 days for 7 people.

I have even decided that Golo had a great idea with the 5 days for people and the weekend be VIP love. I'm all for that. I think we should show them more love. They rightly deserve it for taking time out of their days to spend a little time with us.

Jenn, thanks so much for your reply. *I guess that's what I meant by clique -- the old posters and the ones who allude to how things are/were done on the Beta ... those were who I saw being appreciated -- which I great, I think I've posted to almost everyone. *It was the timing of this thread that made me suspicious and so I am relieved to hear someone that I perceive as an "old poster" to agree.

Again, (I am beginning to wonder if JorieJc is reading my mind) I love the spontaneous appreciation and have chaged my vote in the poll to relfect that.

;D

Lol. Ok, everyone except Golo *:laugh:

The point is, again, not the details. The point is the perception that these appreciation days can give to people new to the board. And anyway, we are not *really* why J.J. Abrams wants new people to come here, eh? :)

Tari: Congratulations!!! I didn't know you were a teacher. And as a sidenote I'm very glad your father is doing better.

I appreciate truly the sentiment of wanting to spread the love. I think this board offer a very unique opportunity in that regard. But I think inadvertently appreciation days may limit our chances to spread the love. People may shy away from the board if they don't know the person who is being appreciated. They might, rightly or wrongly, think that we are all just too tight-knit for them to get involved. Do you see where that view might be coming from?

Tari: Congratulations!!! I didn't know you were a teacher. And as a sidenote I'm very glad your father is doing better.

I appreciate truly the sentiment of wanting to spread the love. I think this board offer a very unique opportunity in that regard. But I think inadvertently appreciation days may limit our chances to spread the love. People may shy away from the board if they don't know the person who is being appreciated. They might, rightly or wrongly, think that we are all just too tight-knit for them to get involved. Do you see where that view might be coming from?


When people I don't know are being appreciated, I just say that I appreciate them. Does it make me want to stay away from the boards? Absolutely not. But someone said that they thought that the older posters were in a sort of clique. Maybe so, but I've also seen a sort of newer people clique. There have been times when the new people were all about and I just didn't want to post.

OMG!!

I don't even know where to start and maybe I should walk away before I piss people off. Yeah, that would be the smart thing to do.

Well, I am going to bite my tounge because I don't want to deal with a 3 day discussion again. I have issue with many of the things that have been posted on this thread BUT

The bottom line is that there isn't going to be a perfect system regardless of what we do. My thinking is, if it ain't broke then don't fix it. We will always have some that think it stinks the way that it is now and there will be others that would think it stinks if we change it.

Is it really a worthy fight?

It seems to me we have taken a beautiful thing and tarnished it.

Night all!!

Jenn, thanks so much for your reply. I guess that's what I meant by clique -- the old posters and the ones who allude to how things are/were done on the Beta ... those were who I saw being appreciated -- which I great, I think I've posted to almost everyone. It was the timing of this thread that made me suspicious and so I am relieved to hear someone that I perceive as an "old poster" to agree.


Jezebel if it makes you feel better...I was never at the Beta. Never even heard about it till a few weeks after I was here. This is my first experience on this kind of board. Its all very new to me. So please don't feel that its a Beta clique thing. Cause its not.

:)
Tari: Congratulations!!! I didn't know you were a teacher. And as a sidenote I'm very glad your father is doing better.

I appreciate truly the sentiment of wanting to spread the love. I think this board offer a very unique opportunity in that regard. But I think inadvertently appreciation days may limit our chances to spread the love. People may shy away from the board if they don't know the person who is being appreciated. They might, rightly or wrongly, think that we are all just too tight-knit for them to get involved. Do you see where that view might be coming from?


Thank you! And yes Dad's back to his crazy ways.

I think it depends on the newbie. On some things I'm a straight up lurker. But my love for LOST is so strong I just HAD to post. You for example are a somewhat newbie and you are very vocal and speak often about various things. Thats great. Some newbies aren't like that. They prefer to sit back and lurk and enjoy without actually intereacting. We can't MAKE them get involved. I know we show love to them when they say hi and make them feel welcome. Thats all we can do. And hey...maybe seeing someone getting appreciated will draw them out and make them want to get involved in hopes of someday being appreciated like that person.

It just comes down to the persons personality and we can't control that. I hope that was clear because I've been up a very long time and had a very long day lol and I just want to spread the 'lage love.

Also because this is the 3rd time I've tried to post this and it has yet to get through cause someone else keeps posting lol STOP THAT :P :P

ETA:

Is it really a worthy fight?

It seems to me we have taken a beautiful thing and tarnished it.

Night all!!


Hattori....love you dude really I do. You are one of my fav BOB's ;)

I don't think this has been tarnished. A lot of good ideas have come from this Discussion. I think I would rather enjoy a VIP appreciation weekend where we show our love for ALL the VIP's. It gives the love for the Friday Appreciation person and they still get to pick who they want on Monday. But we get to show our love for the VIP's. It seems logical since they post more on the weekends anyway.

Like I said...I don't think anything bad has happened to Appreciation day. If anything its made it more known and possible let some people say what they wanted to say who hadn't gotten a chance to say it. I love Appreciation day and I always look forward to see who the appreciated person is. I'm sure others feel that way. So Hattori don't be upset or anything. We all love you and we just want the Appreciation day idea to be the best it can possibly be.

LearnToFly: I think a lot of the newest posters got each other on here after dom posted....they seem to be Dom fangurls for the most part :) I think there is a danger of being cliquey on here, and you're right...I did what you did and just said I appreciated people and no biggie. But if someone is very shy about popping onto a board like this, it might disuade them if everyone is talking about one person and they don't know who that person is. It's hard to break into a conversation like that.

By the way...I don't think I've ever talked to you before, so howdy do :)

LTF, that makes me sad to hear that! *There needs to be balance on the LB. *I, like I think you do, lurk, but I always try to jump in and welcome the new people. *Sometimes the talk is a little too Dom-centered for me (no offense Dom girls) and so I retreat. *There are bound to be many new people as the popularity of the show grows and the more interviews JJ does (he loves this place and mentions it often)! *When I was new, I lurked, posted and waited to be greeted by those I had seen posting for a while. *If you retreat when new people come on, then groups will form b/c the newbies will feel unwelcome by the old posters. *Again, everyone brings something good to the board and no one should feel they have to hide when certain people are posting! * ;)

Tari: Me? Vocal? Little old me???? ;D It made sense, no worries. And I know! I keep getting shut out too :)

Hattori: I don't think the intent is to tarnish anything, if you're still *here. We are discussing, and it seemed like there was a danger of misunderstandings and hurt feelings, so we are trying to avoid such things on this, a glorious Friday night. I hope you aren't upset....

Im just worried about messing something up that was probably the ONE trully positive thing on the LB. Well besides VIP's *;).

Im sorry this happened on Aurora's day, but im sure most people didnt mean it that way. Was there some kind of backlash to Aurora? I couldnt say. I just know it has been discussed in some form before, and now decided to get it's own thread.

jezebel: Hehe...timing is everything. Apprarantly timing broke down on this thread.

But i will say one thing, making it uber confusing will result in it going forever. And i would hate to see that. So in the spirit of keeping it alive, im for whatever makes it easier to keep the appreciation going. *although will always wonder about the weekend hiatus*

But then maybe its because i have more time to post on the weekend and i just want the whole board to work around my schedule. Which is so should btw *;) :lol2:

Aha! The truth comes out!! Jenn wants her own linear board!!! :)

Should we start another thread for that? Cuz you know.....if you get one, I want one :laugh:

LOL...

No i want to pull a hostile takeover on this one and make it work on my schedule. When i go to work NOTHING happen. When i sleep everyone does..

Good bye scrolling!

Tari, thanks for your post ... this thread has released some of my sensitivities ... nice to meet someone that is new to this fandom thing as well ... and a fellow educator, no less :-*

hmm. Um, Jenn....just for my information.......how would you attempt such a takeover? :)

And the spirit of the Linear Board laughs and laughs. "Silly Jenn...you're sleeping. That's the ENTIRE problem."

Lets just all agree that by creating this thread we are definately boosting our Posting points or whatever. Which is ALWAYS a good thing right? ;)

Tari, thanks for your post ... this thread has released some of my sensitivities ... nice to meet someone that is new to this fandom thing as well ... and a fellow educator, no less :-*


Well you are welcome and hello fellow educator. :D

I think we are all just venting some frustrations in our RL (real lives, just found that one out recently lol). I know I am having issues. But we are all sisters and family.

*starts singing "WE ARE FAMILY...I'VE GOT ALL MY SISTERS WITH ME*

Now that we've cleared all this up. Lets send love to Hattori so he can have a good nights rest lol.

Yeah I'm all for wiping this thread out of my frontal lobe and just remembering the good vibes.... .... ...

and Jenn's threat to take over the board :o

ok, as the person who started this thread I'd just like to clear up some things and make some points. So bare with me, I'm too scattered to actually quote anyone.

1. When creating this thread I had NO intention to have it make a bad impact on Auroras Appreciation day, I actually made it a point to appreciate her BEFORE I started this thread. As I said before I've not been on enough to post much this week and yesterday I wasn't starting any new threads.... today I was, and this has been on my mind since Fifi's appreciation day.

2. On the point about individual VIP days, that could only go on so long before it's repeated... but all VIPS could work...

3. Cliquish? Scarying Newbies? I know, personally, that those who've been appreciated that I don't know I've kinda thought of their days as a chance to get to know them (if I had the time.. lol) but knowing who they are, if I had the perception of a newbie, then there must be some reason they were appreciated... right? So newbies might percive it as a list of people whom it might be good to know in order to get used to the board.. or something like that...

4. I know the original thoughts behind pausing on the weekends is good, however I do think this was unintentionally biased against the people who aren't on as much during the week.

Can't gather anymore thoughts...>.<

Hey Lexi!

I was wondering where you had gone to :)

1) I am of course very glad to hear that this was not against A. However, as we all kind of admitted, due to the fact that a lot of people alluded to negative stuff when they appreciated her, the timing got kind of awkward, that's all.

2) I'm sure we have enough to say about the VIPs where repitition wouldn't be a problem :P However, I would hope that people wouldn't nominate Dom every single weekend.... :)

3) An interesting take and a good point....I am just going by my own experience, which was, "Wow...these people all really really like each other. Maybe they won't let me in."

4) I'm not really sure where the whole weekend started...actually I'm thinking it might have been because the person being appreciated wasn't going to be on much during the weekend....The point I was making is that the problems people have with the weekend thang could easily be the same problems they have with any appreciation day.

I went and took a shower Jorie.. hehe needed to get clean before Sg1

1. Yes I've had fights with Aurora before, but that doesn't mean I don't like her.. hell I've fought with Chels, and Ann, and my Dad.. my brother... my mom...lol just because you have a disagreement with someone at one point doesn't mean you don't like them. Now personally I'm not on a lot when Aurora is on, so there's not been much time to get to know her any better. Doesn't mean she's an enemy.... perhaps if I had posted this tomorrow instead? I don't think the time would have been good at any time.... that made little sense >.<

2. Yea, I know we have a lot to say about them... here's a thought perhaps we should appreciate anyone on the weekend and the VIPS on Wednesday... leave that one non-fan... I mean I do kinda feel bad about the people who are appreciated on monday when EVERYONE is on like 'OMG *insert VIP here* I Looooooooved you in tonights episode!!!!!' ya know? lol

3. I didn't say my idea was perfect :p. But at least you can see the logic in it... I barely talked to Halfrek before her appreciation day, but after I was actually involved in some chats with her and have talked with her more than I did before her appreciation day.

4. I don't know either.. but I do know that when Fifi was sick there was talk about the person who had bee appreciated the previous day choosing another person if the other hadn't shown up or something.. ya know? That way there was still some semblance of order.

A shower before SG1....You know they can't see you, right? :laugh:

Yes, I understand that arguing doesnt = hate. However, on an online plane it's hard to filter things like you do with family. I only know you through this one medium and there's no history for me to fall back on.

lol that is true....the day after Lost people talk about the stars errrrrrrrrrrrrdom of the previous night's episode :) Maybe we should do a previous week's episode appreciation? Or maybe we could take the square root of the number of registered posters, look at whoever has posted that number of posts...and...oh, I lost it.

I am of the opinion that we don't really need these appreciation days because I think in the future there will be other little burps like this....but I also can see how since we've already done them, people have adjusted to the idea and wotnot. I would just hate for anyone' s feelings to get hurt (rightfully or no) over something silly like this.

Might be silly Jorie, but think of it on this end, if everyone had been appreciated but you... how would you feel... I'm not saying that this has happened.. or will, but it's more of a state of mind... some people out there (whom I will refrain from mentioning) might be of the opinion that if it just stops, then why are those who have already been appreciated more important that "me". Ya know? I do think that it may have been a bad idea (in retrospect) for this thread to ever have been created... but on the flip side I would still be thinking "why the hell aren't we taking advantage of EVERY day of the week"... *shrugs*

No, I see your point like I said.

I think the good thing about this thread, as Tari said, is that we all got to talk nicely, plus....I bumped into coach! At long sweet last :) And now your query has been answered :)

Woohoo Jorie..

Whatever the outcome I think I'll just sit in my corner (though I'll laugh my *** off if things don't change and the topic is brought up again in a month.... just cuz that's me... hehe)

I can't believe nobody was with me on the old school MTV raps thing. :lol2:

lmao If it makes any difference. I found it greatly amusing lol. I personally am not very good at the MTV Yo Raps flava myself.

That's half of why I'm giggling still...I'm awful at it!

got your apps over here Aurora! :laugh:

The Partyman giveth his two cents...


I've brought this up on the appreciation thread but no one seemed to want to change it. I personally think that we need to do 7 days...7 people. Not 7 days....5 people and the Friday person gets 2 extra days. Its honestly not fair.


Under the existing rules, nobody gets any "extra days" days. That is just how some posters have chosen to interpret and bend the rules. Not the rules themselves. Currently there should not be anyone appreciated on Saturdays and Sundays. The current format (no weekends) when originally posited, was NOT that anyone gets two extra days.

It was simply that on Saturday and Sunday, there would be NO appreciation. The Friday nominees appreciation would end on Friday, and they name the next one on Monday. Under the current rules, nobody should be appreciating on a Saturday or Sunday. These days are not used. The only "bonus" of being nominated on a Friday is that they have an extra 24 hours to choose who comes next. Yes, this has been twisted by some who have wanted to appreciate the more popular posters for three days perhaps, but that is not the actual rule or the point behind it.

The "no weekends" format was based on the YAY DAY at the BB, as a great many would not post at the weekend.

Of course this worked better than our system, as only the "YAY OF THE DAY" poster could post the next recipient.

Would that work for our LB? All it means is that one person (or a small group with a single screen name) take responsibility for picking and posting new appreciates. This would take the stress out of people being offline when choosing the new person, and also would take the pressure of people having to choose. It would be effective whether a 7 day or 5 day pattern was voted upon, and would remove the danger of nominees being accused of any favoritism.

It would remove the need for any "Newbie Appreciation Days" as newbies would be equally included. Everyone would be.

In any case there needs to be specific person or group of people (ideally with a shared App-Day screenname) who is responsible for choosing the next appreciated, if the current one has not nominated by the decided time.

If the majority of LB posters DO come on line at the weekends, then I certainly vote for 7 days, as this will mean we can fit in two extra people each week, which is 104 extra people in a year.

In fact, even if they don't that is what scrolling and the archives are for. Nobody has to be on-line on the actual day to read their appreciation posts.

I would also vote for the selection process being streamlined and regulated so as to ensure consistent posting of new nominees.

When does the voting close on this, and is there anyone who might be willing to become an: "Appreciation Day Robot" ?

What is really sad to me is that Navigatrix originally suggested we have a regular appreciation day, and she left the board a while ago because of all the Board Drama. I am sure I am not the only one that misses her.

I hope the arguments about this stop soon. Could we try and do that please, in honour of her contribution to our community?

An Appreciation Day is not something anyone should be having drama about.


As for whether the appreciated is on-line on their day, it doesn't really matter. Its a posting board, so messages of appreciation can be read whenever.


Edited to add: Such a regular announcing format as an "Appreciation Day Robot" would enure fairness in that each nominee would have roughly equal time to be appreciated. The current sytem (regardless of the "dark days" at the weekend) is unbalanced in that there is no consistency of when the appeciated nominates the next person. Some may have 18 hours, dome may have 28 etc. If people are complaining about fairness and "real-time" appreciation, then this is a crucial consideration. :)

I would quote your post Partyman but its just like way too long. I think we have had it all worked out now. So hopefully some serious frustrations over all this have been let out and moved on.

I am happy though to always hear your thoughts on topics such as this.

:)

how was it worked out? :) cuz i like appreciating but i just don't get on as much on the weekends :D butthat's me

Speaker,

Keep when you "get on "( or off) to yourself, eh? There are children that post here ;)

how was it worked out? :) cuz i like appreciating but i just don't get on as much on the weekends :D butthat's me


I think what we decided was that Mon-Fri was 'lage members appreciation days, then on the weekends it would be VIP love and appreciation day. I don't mean we pick a specific VIP, but merely a general thank you for spending time with us we love you type thing. Does that clear it up? Or am I wrong? Can someone tell me? lmao :)

Okay, I'm coming to this debate late, but I have to comment.



Under the existing rules, nobody gets any "extra days" days. *That is just how some posters have chosen to interpret and bend the rules. *Not the rules themselves. *Currently there should not be anyone appreciated on Saturdays and Sundays. *The current format (no weekends) when originally posited, was NOT that anyone gets two extra days.

It was simply that on Saturday and Sunday, there would be NO appreciation. *The Friday nominees appreciation would end on Friday, and they name the next one on Monday. *Under the current rules, nobody should be appreciating on a Saturday or Sunday. *These days are not used. *The only "bonus" of being nominated on a Friday is that they have an extra 24 hours to choose who comes next. *Yes, this has been twisted by some who have wanted to appreciate the more popular posters for three days perhaps, but that is not the actual rule or the point behind it.


I have no problem with the current "appreciation day" format. There is never going to be a perfect "fair" system that appeases everyone. There will always be one group of people who don’t come here during the week and others that only come during the week. How can you satisfy both groups?


The current system (regardless of the "dark days" at the weekend) is unbalanced in that there is no consistency of when the appreciated nominates the next person. *Some may have 18 hours, dome may have 28 etc. *If people are complaining about fairness and "real-time" appreciation, then this is a crucial consideration.


You are right, if there is a flaw in the current system it is this.


Are notes of appreciation really worthwhile if you're getting them from people who don't know you?


The point of "appreciation day" was to build community spirit. I think it has worked wonderfully so far. When the appreciatee is a poster I'm not that familiar with, I see that as a chance to learn more about them. And just because someone doesn’t “know me” doesn’t mean that I can’t read every word they post and appreciate them without ever interacting together. We have A LOT of lurkers who rarely, if ever post.



I think what we decided was that Mon-Fri was 'lage members appreciation days, then on the weekends it would be VIP love and appreciation day.


And where exactly was that decided? I see the current vote is to maintain the rules as they are.

However misguided my attempts may have seemed at times, I honestly feel it is my duty to welcome new ones to the group because I believe that is what J.J. Abrams would want. He has generously funded this board and he frequently directs more people to this site, he wants this place to grow... which means we will have to adapt to sharing this wonderful space with more and more people. Since it is not our own "private community", it would be disrespectful to J.J. to "close the circle" so to speak - I may be wrong, but there have been times where I have felt that the circle is already closed... and that saddens me.


Sabrina, I have personally gone out of my way as have others to always welcome the new people. I have only seen a few rare cases where people have been "closed" and not welcomed anyone. On these occasions if I am around I will tell everyone to please if its merely a hello and welcome comment to do so, as to make the new people feel welcome. I don't really see where there have been negative comments made toward the new people. I admit with the spoiler debate it got a little heated at times but nowadays we have all realized that with time comes experience and to help the new people out by politely pointing them in the right direction. The only time these encounters have escalated is when the new person takes offense by being told about the FAQ rules and in fact attacked or berated the person who was trying to be polite. JJ does want this site to flourish and succeed and be a home for the Lovers of LOST, and I know that most everyone is going out of their way to do this.


Okay, I'm coming to this debate late, but I have to comment.

And where exactly was that decided? I see the current vote is to maintain the rules as they are.



Kate, Hi! How you doing? It wasn't completely agreed upon thats why I asked if anyone could correct me. I'm sure that the rules will probably stand since a lot of people seem to have been upset by the thoughts of changing it. But with growth changes must occur to grow with it. Partyman did make it clear that the people who were being appreciated all weekend were techincally suppposed to have only been appreciated on Friday and this has somehow been carried out through the weekend. It isn't in the "rules" But I think, myself personally, just felt like it was being a bit prejudiced to those who weren't Friday appreciatees. I was simply trying to figure out a way so that it was equal. Sorry if it comes off as some petty thing but that was not my intent. If it does decide to stay as 5 days a week then we must simply make sure that the weekend is not an appreciation time, unless it is just random appreciation for everyone. Do you know what I mean? I hope so because I am really trying to convey it to everyone and I feel like I'm failing miserably.

Kate, Hi!* How you doing?*

Do you know what I mean?* I hope so because I am really trying to convey it to everyone and I feel like I'm failing miserably.


Tari, I'm fine thank you! I don't have a problem with the discussion. I agree that sometimes, as the board grows, will will have to change to grow with it. I know your intentions were to create a just system that satisfies everyone. That's honorable, I'm just not sure it's possible.

I just wanted to make sure that the votes would be taken into consideration. It seems that many people vote without posting to explain their position and I don't want their opinions to be discounted.

Kate if you think about it then it would in essence stay the same. But instead of the appreciation for the Friday person kind spilling over into Saturday and Sunday it would just mean that all that appreciation goes to the VIP's. So you'd still have the 5 Day a week appreciation that we are doing now, but instead of the spillage it would simply be redirected towards the VIP's. I hope that clears it up cause if it doesn't oh well I'm done.

Just a quick post. Yeah. What The Partyman said. I absolutely agree with every word.

And EVERY day is VIP appreciation day. We have no guarantee of when ANY VIP will show up, so to just designate one or two days to appreciate them is ridiculous, as they may never see it... plus, as I said above, I would hope we appreciate them everyday.
I think the App Days work just fine as they are.

I see no problem with the rules as they are....and feel that this entire disagreement has done nothing but tarnish the way I look at the Appreciation Days. I know I'll never look at mine the same way again, since it laid on a weekend.
Thanks so much for that. >:(

My dear Lost Serenity (who has unfortunately lost her serenity because of this discussion :()...

I am quite certain that Lexi did not want to tarnish anything by starting this thread, and I am confident that none of us wanted to tarnish anything by participating in it. If memory serves, you enjoyed your weekend a great deal. I think this conversation continued for as long as it did last night because there was talk about ending the weekend thang which may or may not exist during someone else's weekend, and we didn't want THEIR weekend to be tarnished. In fact, it has been my continuing mission to avoid the tarnishing of anything for anyone. Please please please do not view any of this as an attack on those who had been appreciated on Fridays before. Really, if you think about it, this whole topic is about nitpicky details and as Tari said last night, i think it's turned into more a cathartic session than anything else. Maybe we should rename this thread the UN or something :)

Sabrina: I hope that people appreciate your forthrightness. I think many people posting here have often been misunderstood because we all have wonderful sense of humor, fine personalities, and other traits that little computer boxes can sort of warp. All we have to go on when we talk here or on the lb or anywhere online is what the words look like. I could say joking, "Oh, go jump in a lake" and if you don't know me you have no idea if I'm being funny or snarky. I think you and Navi just crossed signals, as I think Aurora has crossed signals with people, and as I know I have crossed signals with people. I generally agree with your sentiments about appreciation day but for slightly different reasons...mainly I view them as opportunities to create tension like that which has peeked in and out of this thread.

KateJones: Welcome to the conversation. I think I have witnessed a few times where "newbies" were sort of treated not quite up to par, and similarly, I have witnessed a few times where people new to the board decided to snark everyone out. Again, we are all bringing our own experiences here. I think Sabrina and I have just happened to be on a lot of the times when newbies come on....and again, I think there have been times when tension has been created because something told to a newbie was translated as snarkiness when maybe it was meant as a welcoming joke or whathaveyou. It's so hard to tell. That is the danger of online communication.

I realizing that saying the following is going to be dripping with irony as I am continuing to contribute to this conversation, but I hope that this conversation drizzles out soon. I think if we keep picking at it mroe and more people are going to find something to take issue with, and all of us will end up having to go back and re-explain what we meant on January 7 1902 when we said that we appreciated turkey. "are you calling everyone who has been appreciated turkey?!?!?" You see my point. There are much bigger issues in the world, like how to make it to Wednesday for this much anticipated new issue. Let us all be friends here and talk about puppies and rainbows.

I don't post here much, but I have friends that do, so I lurk here from time to time. With that said, and not to minimize anyone's feelings over this, I don't quite get what the big fuss is all about. I mean, it's a posting board. All posting boards have little subset communities, and ther's nothing wrong with that. It's not exclusionary or mean, it's just the way things are. So, if someone gets one day of appreciation, and someone else gets three days (two of them being days that everyone seems to agree on that there's less traffic), what's the big deal? Are anyone's feelings really so fragile that they see someone else's appreciation day falling on a weekend as a personal slight to them? To me, that's really silly.

As far as worrying about how newbies feel about the supposed "cliques" of people getting nominated, well, that's life too. If a newbie starts posting and contributes to the community over time, then their day will come. And if they don't, well then what exactly would you be appreciating them for? Having the ability to find the site?

As I said earlier, I have no stake in this so it matters not to me how you guys decide to handle this. But, all these bad feelings surfacing seems to be about other stuff that's happened, and not so much about appreciation day itself.* It seems like something designed to make people happy, and was the reason that I stopped by a few days ago (b/c I heard a friend of mine was being appreciated and I wanted to post to her), has now become something divisive. I have to believe that this is about other issues, because I find it impossible to believe that people could actually be so petty as to go into a tailspin over a weekend of appreciation vs. a day. I mean, this isn't the Nobel Prize, people.

Good luck in working it out.

*applauds for Denise*

Good call :)

I voted 7 days for 7 people
it's only fair but there should be a way for those who don't get on on the weekend..................

I found some more small change in my pocket...


Denise - Thanks for bringing your thoughts here. I hope we see you around a bit more, whether, here, there, or elsewhere. 

Sabrina - that was the most thorough post I have seen you make here or on the LB. Thanks for contributing to the discussion, and for your honesty about certain subjects. That impressed me.

I do wish Navigatrix was still around, as rather than get into endless debate on how to run the App-Day, we could just ask her to decide how she wanted to run it.

For example - Speaker's "Friday Fic Challenge" - many posters may not be able to write a short fic in the 24 hours prior to the Wednesday judging, but those who can will join in. Anybody is welcome to write any fic they want at any time, but for Speaker's challenge, the challenge rules are the challenge rules - and certainly part of the fun is having to write to the deadline! Yes, some people may moan about it, but nobody is forcing them to enter, or not enter.

Anyone can write fanfic whenever they want. Anyone can appreciate a fellow fan whenever they want.

The Appreciation Day is not a board rule or a community rule. It is game, at best a tradition. It has been wonderful to see how many have embraced it. Nobody has to join in unless they don't want to, which is a good thing, as I wouldn't want to be forcing anyone to appreciate anyone else.

As for appreciating VIP at the weekend. Its a sweet idea, but as we know the VIPs don't scroll the LB very much, so a fear would be that this would lead to swarms of Appreciation Posts if a VIP were to post, or indeed the clogging up of the TB VIP threads with messages of appreciation day. If a specific VIP were to be chosen, this would help things a little, but eventually we would run out.

Personally, I see no harm in having the App-Day run seven days. Whether or not we keep the current "handover" tactic where the current appreciated picks the next, it will mean that more posters can be appreciated.

As for "[poster] is not on-line much at the weekend / on weekdays" this should not matter AT ALL. Most of the posters here, and indeed all of the intelligent regulars understand that … oh yes … "The LB is not a chat room". The strength of the board is in its non-instantaneous nature. It doesn't matter when messages are posted.

In my opinion, concerns over "not being on-line" must be irrelevant, given that all the people who have posted so far in this thread understand the difference between a Posting Board and a chatroom. Yet some seem concerned.

Here's a thought? Should the appreciation day be kept predominantly on the TB? A thread can be used for each person with the days marked, and messages can be posted in there - either exclusively, or pasted from the LB. This way any of you who are worried about "not being on-line" at the weekend, or through the week, can be happy in the knowledge that whenever your appreciation day is, you will able to find your messages when you next log on. Hell, we could even ask Karri if she would make us a sub-board, and we could have a new thread for each day. Or not.

Why should the Appreciation Day be any different from any other posts? When someone comes onto the LB, they will scroll to see if there are any posts made to them (yes, some may not but they should, and the majority cannot be held responsible for the lazy actions of any apathetic minority). They can easily find all messages posted to them, including any appreciation posts, and it doesn't matter how much time has passed between the posts being posted and being read. Scrolling!

This works in reverse for those making appreciation posts -they can scroll and see who's they have "missed", and post appreciation belatedly. I did this today for Aurora, as I missed her appreciation day (which was on Friday) as I only had time for a quick post and short message (and if she doesn't get on-line for ... several days.... she will still be able to read it and feel appreciated.

I totally agree with JorieJC2 in that hopefully this thread can fizzle out a bit. I hope lots of people vote. I see no harm in leaving the poll run until next Friday, as we won't have any issues with the daily appreciation until the next "weekend" is upon us. Yes, tomorrow is Sunday, but given the very small number of votes so far (less than 20), lots have yet to see the poll, and so to end it without giving those "not here" this weekend the opportunity to vote, would be hypocritical.

Anyways those are just some more thought/comments.


Personally I think that running across either 5 or 7 days would be fine, though 7 certainly gives us more days to play with.

I see the only real 'unfairness' being the "appreciated chooses the next person" aspect. I believe that a random selection of candidate, with a regular time of announcement could probably solve all the porblems we've been having here.


Note: This has been edited down from a five page post to avoid ranting and repetition, as some good posts were made by other posters. Hope it's clear enough.

One thought-- I see a lot of people assuming that all newbies think the same way they did when they were a newbie, except we evidently all didn't think the same thing when we were newbies.* There are certain things newbies may have in common, but the whole idea of some newbies being confused by Appreciation Day vs. others looking to it as a chance to get to know people is not so much a newbie vs. oldie difference, it's a some people's personality vs. other people's personality difference, and that sort of thing is awfully hard to work around.

What up.* Appreciate.* exits, still giggling

One thought-- I see a lot of people assuming that all newbies think the same way they did when they were a newbie, except we evidently all didn't think the same thing when we were newbies. There are certain things newbies may have in common, but the whole idea of some newbies being confused by Appreciation Day vs. others looking to it as a chance to get to know people is not so much a newbie vs. oldie difference, it's a some people's personality vs. other people's personality difference, and that sort of thing is awfully hard to work around.

So that makes me an "oldie" with a "personality difference"? :o

;D

That was a great post, and yes. [insert applause smiley here]

Im just sick of the thought that newbies are all fragile flowers...weak people that need to be cajoled and have their hands held.

If you were lost as a noob and now you post, you found your way somehow didnt you? Im sure they will do the same. As for it being offputting to new members, well they KNOW they are entering a community that has been around long enough to have it's own traditions. If they are upset over them, then they need to rethink their choice of forums. Maybe make their own forum with their own traditions.

Because rather it may seem 'scary' to new members, the best things about a community are the little traditions you start. So that 3 years down the road they are still going on, or if they are not, you have the stories you can talk about. This first year is going to be the year we all remember, where we look back in the coming years and laugh at all the growing pains this board went through. And we should SO not rob ourselves of these memories because of some supposedly skiddish new posters.

I have been here pretty much from the beginning, or close enough to call it so. But when I came there was already a dynamic that existed. I wasnt scared by it, but I took time and lurked for several days. Because thats what people do when they want to find out about a board they want to join. You dont run away in terror, you put in the effort to learn.

But its just for fun you say...well some people take their fun seriously. Large groups equal drama. It also equals some need for structure. Its just how it is. And funny how we are having this discussion about rules and large groups of people about a board based on a show that has names based on Locke and Rousseau* :lol2: .

Anyways, to answer one of Sabrina's points about how JJ pays for this site, he also chose Karri to run it. Based on the Bronze Beta...which means he must agree with her policies, one being self-policing.

So how about we stop condescending the new members and assume they are all not delicate flowers and scaredy run aways....and think about how many* new members we are scaring away by the utter chaos that reigns at times.

Jenn? if you could see me right now you would see that i am nodding vehemently with your post. well freakin' said.