New Clue Short Description:
7/12/06 - Update at Rachels blog

Date:
7/12/06

Country:
N/A

Source:
Rachels blog

URL:
stophanso.rachelblake.com

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new blog is up with a phone recording between rachel and gidget girl.

Blog directs you to http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/110239.html

password and username are:

RBlake
FalseDegree

Is this a trap?

I received a phone call this morning. In my room... Nobody has the number, so of course, I RECORDED IT (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/110239.html).

RBlake
FalseDegree

I don't really have a choice, do I? I have to go.

So what's the password to get into the Lost Podcasts? I've been gone for a week.

So what's the password to get into the Lost Podcasts? I've been gone for a week.

password for phone call is

RBlake
FalseDegree

:)

Thanks.
;)

so, gidgetgirl really is the "squeeze" of mcintyre (inferred not confirmed, but who else would it be?). what might her motives be in exposing thf? is she setting a trap for rachel?

OT, but gidgetgirl's voice reminds me of laura croft...look out rach! :biggrin:

OT, but gidgetgirl's voice reminds me of laura croft...look out rach! :biggrin:

I was thinking penny widemore, but can see what you mean!:biggrin:

Ya, I'm thinking it's Penny to.

Why would it be Penny? They are not going to give us information like that.

Penny is in 2004. The LE is 2006.

There are too many reasons why they are not going to cross over characters in this game to the TV show to mention.

Hmmm, Penny....

If it is McIntyre's lady from the pics, would make sense why she wanted Rachel to take them down. But, also doesn't make sense, because the lady in the pics with Hugh was from the GWC. Seems if she is in bed with Hugh, she would be all the way in bed, so to speak. Why would she, with her position in the GWC (with all its "good") and since she seemingly is against the Hanso group, be associated with someone like McIntyre, knowing how "evil" he and his relations are. Unless the lady in the pics is GG and she is a GWC undercover spy.

But, she said "The man I love..." to Rachel, so go figure.

Why would it be Penny? They are not going to give us information like that.

Penny is in 2004. The LE is 2006.

There are too many reasons why they are not going to cross over characters in this game to the TV show to mention.

agreed. referring back to gregg nations' comment:
"As far as I understand it, the events in the Lost Experience are taking place in 2006. I'm sure Damon and Carlton don't want to paint themselves into a corner, so I'd guess that's probably why island events haven't really been dealt with."

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=54331

ETA: spelling

beagle et al,

I agree with the time differences not making much sense if GG is penny, but I just listened to the recorded call while watching Live together die alone, the desmond/penny stadium scene, and the voices are very similar in pitch, accent, etc, that I am cant positively say they are different.
What I think we need is someone who is more familiar with what I'm guessing are U.K. accents.

This recording was directly in the Lost section of the ABC site!

So, does this mean that Rachel is aware of the show (like Hugh)?
This is the first clue that was placed on a show-related site, correct? I'm wondering what that means/will lead to.

Penny loves Desmond. She would not say "the man I love" referring to anyone else.

The recording is dated as: July 3, 2006
Is this just an error, or an old phone call?

This recording was directly in the Lost section of the ABC site!

So, does this mean that Rachel is aware of the show (like Hugh)?
This is the first clue that was placed on a show-related site, correct? I'm wondering what that means/will lead to.

abit back, an audio was hidden on channel 4 UK site:)

This recording was directly in the Lost section of the ABC site!

So, does this mean that Rachel is aware of the show (like Hugh)?
This is the first clue that was placed on a show-related site, correct? I'm wondering what that means/will lead to.

Good point DC. It's actually quite strange that she chose to post the recording there.

Following the idea that there may be a hacker controlling her blog, posting the recording there makes a whole bunch of sense.

The phone call could have been intercepted (implying the original call was indeed between RB and GG, and legit). Then the hacker could have made today's post, but then further, put the recording on the ABC site for much more public access.

The biggest wrench in that theory is the needed UN and PW...

abit back, an audio was hidden on channel 4 UK site:)Really? Sorry, I didn't remember that. Which one was it?

Really? Sorry, I didn't remember that. Which one was it?

it was the one with the chat with a nurse mittlewerk saw at hospital:)

Should one of the Mods change the title so we know its post #6? Yes, that would be helpful :)
Thank you in advance!!
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it was the one with the chat with a nurse mittlewerk saw at hospital:)Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that!
One thing was slightly different from that, though, in that it was not on their Lost page. (or was it? I thought it was in their "this is a knife" section.)

Penny loves Desmond. She would not say "the man I love" referring to anyone else. That and as far as we know, Desmond is not a "married man".

I'm guessing it's the girl from the pictures with Hugh McIntyre. She scoled RB about using her cameras and video.

That and as far as we know, Desmond is not a "married man".

I'm guessing it's the girl from the pictures with Hugh McIntyre. She scoled RB about using her cameras and video. Unless, GidgetGirl is Hugh's wife.
She wouldn't want those images posted either.Sorry, I just remembered the "married man" part. :redface:
I need a coffee.

It's Penny. The girl's voice is unmistakably Sonya Walger. It's kind of sad but, she's my current big 'crush'. I've seen The Librarian, Coupling, and the Mind of the Married Man. I know her voice. It's her.

ETA: Seeing as how she's my crush and how she's in TLE now, I'm pumped. :biggrin:

Penny Widmore? Please, no. Our experience of Penny Widmore is that she is absolutely devoted to Desmond. Why would she forsake him for Hugh Freakin' McIntyre? And why would TPTB close off that line of development of the plot of the show so soon after it's begun by giving us Penny Widmore in love with someone else?

This recording was directly in the Lost section of the ABC site!

So, does this mean that Rachel is aware of the show (like Hugh)?
This is the first clue that was placed on a show-related site, correct? I'm wondering what that means/will lead to.

I don't see why she wouldn't be familiar with the show. We've been directed that it's ostensibly a fictitious show in the alternate reality of the game, so she could be familiar with it. Really, though, we ought to bear in mind that the whole purpose of the ARG is to generate and maintain interest in the show during the season break. So, it makes sense that we would be directed to the website of the show.

Good point DC. It's actually quite strange that she chose to post the recording there.

Following the idea that there may be a hacker controlling her blog, posting the recording there makes a whole bunch of sense.

The biggest wrench in that theory is the needed UN and PW...

Remember that Persephone is a hacker extraordinaire, herself. All of these planted clues are supposed to be hacks of the various sites where they're planted, and I can only assume she would have no trouble planting password protection on them, too.

getting the characters mixed together on two different levels at two different times is strange.... very strange... I wouldn't have wanted to do that. it doesnt surprise me though. But a lot of possibilities are ended. If it is her we know she is alive, she is still upset at the corporation. Anything she says may gie away the fate of the castaways...

I hope its a seperate individual... overlap hanso info... numbers info (please)... and the like... but not characters...

The biggest wrench in that theory is the needed UN and PW...
sorry, i don't follow you here. you mean to get the phone call? because it is not unknown. sorry to be so dense....
If it is her we know she is alive, she is still upset at the corporation.it makes sense (if it does turn out to be penny, though i'm still of the ilk that it is not), that her anger over the "loss" of desmond could be motivation to turn against thf. but that is presuming a lot: that thf caused desmond's crash on the island, that penny is aware of that, that she went to work for the gwc, that she's having an affair with mcintyre, etc. granted, we can infer a lot of this, but none of it has been proven yet....

Penny Widmore? Please, no. Our experience of Penny Widmore is that she is absolutely devoted to Desmond. Why would she forsake him for Hugh Freakin' McIntyre? And why would TPTB close off that line of development of the plot of the show so soon after it's begun by giving us Penny Widmore in love with someone else?

You misread the comment, no one is saying it is McIntyre she is in love with. She could be referring to Desmond and is trying to unravel where he vanished to and thus far, two years down the road, has tied it to Hanso. In the intervening two years she has also seen a number of people get picked off for gettng too close. such a scenario does not paint the writers into a corner, except to keep Penny alive.

Penny Widmore? Please, no.

It may or may not be Penny Widmore but it is Sonya Walger.

I subscribe to the Rachel's been abducted theory. The podcast is dated July 3 which is the same day as rachel's last video -- everything since has been a blog or audio. For some one who was fanatical about getting info out daily, Rachel has begun to lapse. The posts are short or not in her frenzied tone. something is rotten in denmark-- oh wait that was three countries ago.

Why would she, with her position in the GWC (with all its "good") and since she seemingly is against the Hanso group, be associated with someone like McIntyre, knowing how "evil" he and his relations are. Unless the lady in the pics is GG and she is a GWC undercover spy.keep your friends close and your enemies closer....:biggrin:

It may or may not be Penny Widmore but it is Sonya Walger. You may wish is was Sonya Walger but I bet it isn't.

It would be highly unlikely that her agent or SAG would even let her do something on this level. When the casting breakdowns first came out they were looking for non-union actors for all of this internet stuff.

The caller pointed out that Rachel was being "reckless", and that it is strange that THF is going easy on her.

Is THF using Rachel to get to the real people that are after THF?
Everyone she speaks with seems to either "disappear" (mel0drama, Zander, wtk...) or be under surviellance (ROT board). Should we be worried about GidgetGirl?

The caller pointed out that Rachel was being "reckless", and that it is strange that THF is going easy on her.

Is THF using Rachel to get to the real people that are after THF?
Everyone she speaks with seems to either "disappear" (mel0drama, Zander, wtk...) or be under surviellance (ROT board). Should we be worried about GidgetGirl?
interesting point, dc. perhaps they are using rachel to flush out the real threats--the people who do have the information to expose them for what they are...

GidgetGirl, whoever she is (appears to be a GWC employee having an affair with Hugh McIntyre who is in over her head with the Hanso Foundation), may or may not be trying to help Rachel Blake.

What stands out to me is that Rachel is about to travel from Sanremo, Italy to Paris, France. Remind you of anyone else who was rumored to have disappeared travelling from Italy (Naples) to Paris? That's right, Enzo Valenzetti (according to Russ, the calller into the DJ Dan show).

Also, the background map on Rachel's cover blog has dotted lines connecting cities, and there is one from Italy to Geneva, and then the one from Geneva to Paris disappears.

See item 5 in this post for all the details/links to the evidence: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1074321&postcount=30

Prediction: We are about to see the last of Rachel for awhile, or she is about to find out what happened to Enzo Valenzetti (and possibly Alvar Hanso as well). Either way, her chances of reaching Paris are slim.

I also wonder if the "trap" is that GidgetGirl is contacting Rachel on short notice in order to get her on a specific flight - one she knows is going to have an "incident" (or has been directed to point Rachel toward.)

Prediction 2: If I am wrong and Rachel does make it to the "meet" with GidgetGirl in Paris, Rachel will bring a camera. GidgetGirl will notice it part way through and some awesome Matrix-style martial arts fighting will ensue. Okay, that's not so much a prediction as wishful thinking, but I'm standing by it in any case.:cool:

It may or may not be Penny Widmore but it is Sonya Walger.

Could someone direct me to audio or video of her? ABC seems to have taken down their entire ep viewer. :frown:

The recording is dated as: July 3, 2006
Is this just an error, or an old phone call?

Interesting. There's almost no metadata in the mp3, just that it was authored in 2006 by Persephone. Perhaps they're somewhat limited by the way the podcast page works at ABC, and can only have the actual posting date, rather than a date they would like. And maybe, for purely logistical reasons, they had to post it last week.

What stands out to me is that Rachel is about to travel from Sanremo, Italy to Paris, France. Remind you of anyone else who was rumored to have disappeared travelling from Italy (Naples) to Paris? That's right, Enzo Valenzetti (according to Russ, the calller into the DJ Dan show).

Also, the background map on Rachel's cover blog has dotted lines connecting cities, and there is one from Italy to Geneva, and then the one from Geneva to Paris disappears. Hmmm... Paris is one tricky place...

I also wonder if the "trap" is that GidgetGirl is contacting Rachel on short notice in order to get her on a specific flight - one she knows is going to have an "incident" (or has been directed to point Rachel toward.)Or, if not leading to a plane with an 'incident', then at least having a good idea of when she will be at the airports, etc.

ETA: San Remo is not that far from the French border, however, and she may not have to take a plane at all.

Could someone direct me to audio or video of her? ABC seems to have taken down their entire ep viewer. :frown:

Interesting. There's almost no metadata in the mp3, just that it was authored in 2006 by Persephone. Perhaps they're somewhat limited by the way the podcast page works at ABC, and can only have the actual posting date, rather than a date they would like. And maybe, for purely logistical reasons, they had to post it last week. It's working for me Ed.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/110239.html

This was posted in the comments on Rachel's blog. I think the poster is correct that "Darla" on the phone message does not sound exactly like GidgetGirl, but it is interesing to compare them: MarcusAllenCooper said... People immediately jump to the conclusion that GG is Darla, but they're entirely different "colonial" accents. GG is a well-spoken "posh" accent and darla's is definitively regional... not a bad attempt COMPLETELY different. I lived & performed in Britain WITH various accents. Darla & GG not even close

Listen to Darly voicemail 2 near end:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/lostexperience_option4-mp3.html

Quote from Darla:

Hugh, it's Darla... I need to talk to you about Sri Lanka. This just isn't right...

Doesn't necessarily sound romantic to me when I listen. It sounds more like Hanso did something bad in Sri Lanka. Can't gain access to LostPedia.com, right now... Do we have any Sri Lanka related Hanso activity - out of curiousity?

Can somebody post a transcript of RB's phonecall ?:redface:
:) Thank you very much .

Can somebody post a transcript of RB's phonecall ?:redface:
:) Thank you very much . Transcript:
RB: Hello... Hello?

GG: Yeah.

RB: Who is this? ...Hello?

GG: Just another Monday morning quarterback.

RB: GidgetGirl?! How, how did you find me?

GG: Is that what's really important?

RB: Where have you been?

GG: Hiding. Which is what you should be doing.

RB: I am hiding.

GG: If I can find you, so can they. But they're leaving you alone for some reason. Why, Rachel?

RB: Why are you calling now?

GG: No! Don't do that. Don't avoid the question.

RB: I'm not.

GG: *sigh* It doesn't make sense. For me, I'm involved. The man I love -- say what you will about him, about us -- he's involved. I can't get away but you, Rachel, you have a choice.

RB: Like you had a choice to fall in love with a married man? I don't have a choice, I have to do this. And I'm sorry, but I can't tell you anymore.

GG: I have something for you, a package. I think its time we met.

RB: Where?

GG: Here, in Paris.

RB: But I'm in Italy, I can't...

GG: Tomorrow. Check your e-mail. I'll send you the meet location. It'll be encoded, but, you're smart. That shouldn't be a problem.

RB: And how will I know you? What's your name? Please! You know my name!

GG: And you've made it clear that’s all I know. You'll know me.

RB: Ok.

GG: And one more thing. No cameras. You're reckless Rachel, and reckless will get me killed.

:6:Merci beaucoup DharmaChick !

Edited title of thread just a bit so it doesn't get mixed up with any other blog updates.

Edited title of thread just a bit so it doesn't get mixed up with any other blog updates. Thank You Carencey! Much appreciated.

De rien, oouups! :)

You misread the comment, no one is saying it is McIntyre she is in love with. She could be referring to Desmond and is trying to unravel where he vanished to and thus far, two years down the road, has tied it to Hanso. In the intervening two years she has also seen a number of people get picked off for gettng too close. such a scenario does not paint the writers into a corner, except to keep Penny alive.

Desmond is NOT a married man. It is not Penny.

It's working for me Ed.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/110239.html
No, I'm talking about the viewer they used to link to directly from abc.go.com that allowed you to watch entire streamed eps of Lost, Alias, Desperate Housewives and Commander in Chief. I wanted to watch one of the Penny scenes from LTDA. But they seem to have taken the viewer down, or at least I can't find it anymore. Used to be if you clicked the "screen" at the top center of the page, just below the menu bar, it would open a new window with the whole-ep viewer in it. It was great for double checking things in the last few eps. If I'm mistaken and it's still there somewhere, could someone please give me a direct link?

The direct link to Rachel's phone call is:
http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/lost/GidgetPhoneCall_direct.mp3

(in case the link is removed from abc.com)

No, I'm talking about the viewer they used to link to directly from abc.go.com that allowed you to watch entire streamed eps of Lost, Alias, Desperate Housewives and Commander in Chief. I wanted to watch one of the Penny scenes from LTDA. But they seem to have taken the viewer down, or at least I can't find it anymore. Used to be if you clicked the "screen" at the top center of the page, just below the menu bar, it would open a new window with the whole-ep viewer in it. It was great for double checking things in the last few eps. If I'm mistaken and it's still there somewhere, could someone please give me a direct link?

http://abc.go.com/fes/index.html It looks like they are down until the fall.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that!
One thing was slightly different from that, though, in that it was not on their Lost page. (or was it? I thought it was in their "this is a knife" section.)

(in reference to the Ch 4 blog post) could someone post a link to this discussion?

(in reference to the Ch 4 blog post) could someone post a link to this discussion?This was the clue thread relating to that post:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=54253

Remember that Persephone is a hacker extraordinaire, herself. All of these planted clues are supposed to be hacks of the various sites where they're planted, and I can only assume she would have no trouble planting password protection on them, too.

Ed, I intended that as the hacker who hacked RB would have put up the recording on ABC.

The theory hinges on the ideas that RB is a true conspiraspy (against Hanso), she has been "hacked" herself (probably not by P if we assume P to be against Hanso as well), and this post (and the most recent posts) are from the "hacker". The reason I gave for the "hacker" to put the recording on ABC is to have greater "public" cahnce at stumbling across the post. If it were a "hacker" who put it in a more public place, then why would the "hacker" leave the password protection. In other words, if I had info on *pick your current, real life bad guy*, and I wanted the world to know, I would not put it on the internet behind a password. It would be on a very public domain, no password.

But, above there are several dependent circumstances that lead to this scenario... I'm not that smart to stay on track through several possible (dependent) circumstances. So, it's probably just my brain reacting to the "rat-in-the-wheel" again.

The idiosynchracies of GG's pronunciationlead me to speculate that she might be Scottish. It's not a thick, Highland burr, obviously, but perhaps Edinburgh, or the borders, where the accent is not quite so distinct. Maybe someone who lives there might be able to comment on this, certainly more authoritatively than I could. I know there's a Scottish appreciation thread over on HIC's board, perhaps I'll post over there, fishing for opinions.
Couldn't find that thread. Any help?

The way I understand it, golf_fan, is easier ;)
As advertising : Advertisers don't want TLE to make a bad impression on people visiting their websites without knowing what TLE is. Video or clues are hided, or they have a password protection.
As ARG : Rachel needs a place where to put her video because she can not put them in her blog. So she chooses a website which can contains videos. But she can't let her get caught by arousing suspicion (her IP is recorded on the website she hacks). She puts video in a confidential place and give us UN/PW in her blog : it's safer, no one can notice her hacks but we.

The question, though, is what's the motive? Who does this hacker hope to expose by posting that particular conversation? RB, herself? I'm probably just not getting the gist of your hypothesis, but to me, the post seems to fit RB's normal MO: post media on some big corporate website, and password protect it. This is even how she said she was going to do it:

Lately, she's been making the passwords more obvious, but the look and feel of it all seems the same to me.

The original thought was an out-of-the-box idea following RB's post that she had been hacked herself. Insuing conversation contained ideas that subsequent RB posts could from the "hacker" not RB. It can be assumed that RB's "hacker" would be a Hanso goon. Therefore, the motive would be to expose RB.

The idea is to get the phone call out in the public domain, not obscurely hidden in a (smaller) sponsor site (directory) or such. I am saying that the "hacker" would use a (more Public) domain such as ABC.com. It's purely in game. A "hacker" may assume that they post there findings in a more obvious place, even Lost fans who are not following the game may stumble upon the post and take action against Rachel.

It's a stretch of a theory relating to recent RB posts and general chatter. I just took it out as far as I could. This is probably not the case at all.

As for the UN and PW:
For my above theory, if a "hacker" wanted complete exposure of RB, they would NOT post a recording behind password protection. It would be selectable from a list or something. So, I am debunking my own theory because the recording IS posted behind password protection, in true RB style.

*takes ball and goes home* :)

Not sure if this is valid or not, but the Admin from TLEC just posted that this showed up at their gmail account:From: Persephone persephone@thehansofoundation.org
Mailed-By: ss71.shared.server-system.net
To: thelostexperienceclues@gmail.com
Date: Jul 12, 2006 8:44 PM

Subject: Help me

Help me. 2 post ago I was taken that is not the real me they erased my files and hacked my site. Ironic, the hacker gets hacked. Please don\'t believe her. Got to run....
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I wonder if the admin over there can get and post the full headers of that email. If so, I might be able to see if the domain was spoofed or if it really came from thehansofoundation.org. I was wondering about the headers, too. Looks like a couple of people have requested them, so we'll see what pans out from there.
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Update:
Administrator said:
After gathering all the information posted in the last comments thread and taking some time to process it, I have come to the conclusion that the persephone@thehansofoundation.org email we received is fake...and techinally saavy hoax that wasn't executed to perfection.
I'll let you know if anything else comes of it but for now I'm not going to worry myself much more about it.
If you're curious, you can search through (ctrl F) the comments thread on the last post. Basically we received a real-looking email from someone claiming to be Persephone. It turned out to be somebody working really hard to mess with us.
Gotta go...meetings.
7/13/2006 09:42:13 AM

*takes ball and goes home* :)
Hee hee!:)
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Not sure if this is valid or not, but the Admin from TLEC just posted that this showed up at their gmail account: I would say that we need to see if this e-mail pops up anywhere else before counting it as a clue.Hey, DC, can you direct me to where I can find this? I'd like to see it in some context, if I can. It strikes me as being sloppy for RB. Of course, if she has been captured, she might have been typing under the gun, so to speak.

--EDIT-- Never mind-- I found it. I wonder if the admin over there can get and post the full headers of that email. If so, I might be able to see if the domain was spoofed or if it really came from thehansofoundation.org.

Me, I'd rather not sign up to check another site, so if anyone around here is signed up over there, and could relay this message...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam G
The idiosynchracies of GG's pronunciationlead me to speculate that she might be Scottish. It's not a thick, Highland burr, obviously, but perhaps Edinburgh, or the borders, where the accent is not quite so distinct. Maybe someone who lives there might be able to comment on this, certainly more authoritatively than I could. I know there's a Scottish appreciation thread over on HIC's board, perhaps I'll post over there, fishing for opinions.

Couldn't find that thread. Any help? This is very bizarre, but Ed I never wrote this?

This is very bizarre, but Ed I never wrote this?very interesting.....following the links within the quote we go first to here (ed's post quoting you)....
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1084560&postcount=51

which leads to here....
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1084490&postcount=47
i sure don't see where you posted anything like that! i did think i'd read it somewhere, but it could very well have been in ed's quote. i went to search and can't find the "search this thread" tool. is it shut down when traffic is high?

hmmmmm........curiouser and curiouser...

ETA: ok, the "search this thread" is back. someone's messin' wit'me!

Ed probably just missed something while posting. Ed wrote that about the language thing. Looks like a tag got left behind by mistake.

Transcript:
GG: And one more thing. No cameras. You're reckless Rachel, and reckless will get me killed.
no cameras just like the Lostees not one camera recovered from 'the crash'

very interesting.....following the links within the quote we go first to here (ed's post quoting you)....
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1084560&postcount=51

which leads to here....
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1084490&postcount=47
i sure don't see where you posted anything like that! i did think i'd read it somewhere, but it could very well have been in ed's quote. i went to search and can't find the "search this thread" tool. is it shut down when traffic is high?

hmmmmm........curiouser and curiouser...

ETA: ok, the "search this thread" is back. someone's messin' wit'me! Thanks Beagle. I did a search for "idiosynchracies", a word I'm sure i never used here. All I get is Ed quoting me but can't find the original post? Very odd.

Desmond is NOT a married man. It is not Penny.

I agree it isn't meant to be Penny, but we don't know for sure the man she speaks of is married. Remember, the caller who is assumed to be GidgetGirl only mentions "the man I love." It's Rachel who brings up the "married man" part, presumably suggesting that GG is the woman in the photos with McIntyre. But there's no response or confirmation from GG that the man she loves is indeed a married man, or that it is Hugh who she loves, which may just be innacurate conjecture on RB's part. That said, I don't believe it's intended to be Pen, as much as the voice sounds like Walger, but the similarity might be meant to provoke this type of debate about it. :)


And you say Des isn't married? *paradox Hume checks her Dharma marriage certificate* Hey, what happens in the hatch, stays in the hatch. ;) (sorry)

This is very bizarre, but Ed I never wrote this?
Nope, I did. That is very odd. I wonder how it happened. At any rate, I've gone back and edited the post to deal with it.

Wait! Maybe this is an indication that you, Sam G, are in-game, just like QuinceTheCarpenter. Or maybe that I am. Geez, if I'm in-game, I hope someone tells me!:)
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The idiosynchracies of GG's pronunciationlead me to speculate that she might be Scottish. It's not a thick, Highland burr, obviously, but perhaps Edinburgh, or the borders, where the accent is not quite so distinct. Maybe someone who lives there might be able to comment on this, certainly more authoritatively than I could. I know there's a Scottish appreciation thread over on HIC's board, perhaps I'll post over there, fishing for opinions. Okay, I'm baffled. I now can't find the original post the above quote was from. I'm a little bummed, as it outlined in detail an analysis of the differences in pronunciation of several vowel and consonant sounds between GG and Penny Widmore, including the "U" vowels in the word "you," sublimated "T" consonants win words like "about" and "but," and the different "O" vowels in the word "love." I would say that perhaps I deleted it instead of submitting it, but I quoted it, so it must have gotten posted somewhere, right? But I searched for several words in it and couldn't find it.

Anyway, although I think the GG = PW hypothesis has been pretty well debunked, or at least it's fallen by the wayside, I'll try to reconstruct what I wrote...

To preface, I'm a classically trained singer and voice teacher, so being nitpicky about diction is my business, and I've had graduate-level training in it.

I found and recorded the voiceover in which Pen is reading the letter she wrote to Des, and compared it to GG's phone call. GG often sublimates her T consonants after vowels, closing her glottis (the opening between the vocal folds) at the end of words like "about" ("abou' ") and "but" ("bu' "). Pen often drops her T consonants after vowels, but doesn't close her glottis.

In the word "you," GG uses a blended U vowel, as used in the French word "tu" or the German "Grüss." This vowel is produced by shaping the mouth for U, but saying E through that shape. Pen says the word "you" with a diphthong of open I, as in "is" and an open U vowel, much like saying "ew," but with a j-glide (the English initial "Y" sound). preceding it. In International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), GG's "you" would be written [jy] ([j] is the j-glide, [y] is the blended U), while Pen's "you" would be [jI:U]. Visibly different. I have to say that I have a lot of experience with this blended U vowel, as most of my students use it, and I'm constantly trying to get them not to.

In the word "love," GG has a much more open O vowel and Pen. In short, while GG and Pen have a similar pitch range to their speaking voices, their dialects are quite different. I was led to the Scottish speculation above (Sonya Walger is from London), but I couldn't find that "Scottish appreciation thread" to confim it. Any ideas?

changedetection.com said something changed at Rachaels page, but I don't see anything.

Wow, I'm really glad that we have you here, EdMuse!!

So, with all of that info, you must be in-game... and a doctor, just like Mittlewerk! And you referenced SamG... who, therefore, must be in-game as well. I guess it's really only a matter of time until all of the 'Lage is an official in-game site!! :D

Seriously, though, thank you for posting all of that!! For a lot of people, I don't think that the GG=Pen had really been debunked, actually. This voice analysis certainly helps!
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Comment from mel0drama posted in her blog today. Not sure if this is legit, yet, but here is what it says:
Mel0Drama (http://www.blogger.com/profile/26285823) said... Rachel? Are you there? I was sent a video of you from an email account I don't recognize. The video is disturbing. I'm afraid for you. Did you send it to me?