These epi threads are there for those who want to chat about epis with UK fans, because we seem to be so far behind everyone else. Many of the equivalent dedicated episode threads on the Lage contain spoilers now. If you are from outside of the UK, or are/have been 'spoiled', please be aware that this is the latest episode here. Feel free to post, but please respect those here that haven't seen beyond One Of Them. Thank you. M

...and it's a big welcome to my favourite character of Series 2. Henry Gale.... take a bow.

Spout forth at length about this and other croppings-up in One of Them

This episode was awesome, and a nice Kate-link to boot. Whilst I knew about the timer, I didn't realise it was in this episode.

Which is nice.

i've al ready seen this episode coz i downloaded it from torrent and when i say it i was like wooooow i mean the sayid flashbach one of the best so far i think and inman
AKA (Kelvin) inman from desmond's flashback is cool in this episode and lets not far get henry gail he one of my fave character's on lost thats coz i've seeen all of season 2

So... what kicked off when the counter ticked down to zero? Egyptian style hyroglyphics on the counter, and lots of strange clanking noises.

This moment reminded me of a film called Thirteen Ghosts - where the cast had somehow ended up in a strange glass house. Every time the timer reached a zero, all the walls and floors rotated, trapping people and unleashing a different ghost from its cell onto the increasingly terrified occupants.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Kate link?

Hadn't expected Danielle to show up - must be a shocker for her, 13 years on the island and all of a sudden there's castaways all over the place - Henry, is he for real or what? I tend to believe Danielle is right.

So... what kicked off when the counter ticked down to zero? Egyptian style hyroglyphics on the counter, and lots of strange clanking noises.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Kate link?

Hadn't expected Danielle to show up - must be a shocker for her, 13 years on the island and all of a sudden there's castaways all over the place - Henry, is he for real or what? I tend to believe Danielle is right.

The heiroglyphs were translated to:

Cause to die

Or something like that. Not sure that means for Locke and co though.

I remember 13 Ghosts! But yeah...it sounded like machinery was moving, perhaps it was something under the hatch? Iunno.

The Kate link:

The US soldier that talked to Sayid alot was Kate's real father.

As for Henry Gale..it's weird. Sayid has a point about his reaction, yet...he is very convincing, especially considering he was faced with having his pinkies broken! :eek2:

The Kate link:

The US soldier that talked to Sayid alot was Kate's real father.



I'll be careful not to spoil here, but that's not right.

If you're talking about the US soldier who persuaded Sayid to torture Nadia, he's not Kate's father. He's somebody else. Kate's Dad is in the episode though

Not trying to jump on your post at all Bluemorbo, but just wanted to clarify things.

Peace
M

Bit more detail about the Kate link: (not sure it really needs spoiler text as it actually happened in this episode)

Kates Dad is the one in the truck with Sayid at the end (who asks him about his family and is holding a picture of Kate)

Also i must say this was an incredible episode - i liked the introduction of a new character, the return of Rousseau, and the Hatch incident. (If im not mistaken the red 'hieroglyphics' were the Dharma symbols? i.e Swan, Arrow etc) Although the last few episodes have all been great, i cant help but feel Eko is being pushed too far into the background :( hopefully we'll see more of him soon.

Erm.... about Kates dad, the soldier (I think his name is Sam) is not Kates 'real' dad, Kate killed her real dad in What Kate Did, Soldier/Sam is the man she believed was her father and who acted as her father.

Great episode, can't wait to see more of Henry Gale.

Hmm.

Thanks Finn, I forgot the conversation she had with him 'What Kate Did'. I got things the wrong way around, my bad. He's the step father.

Michaud, no worries, but I meant the guy at the end with the photo of Kate when she's younger. Wasn't he present throughout the episode or am I just suffering from a hectic day of Manchester's trains ¬.¬

Michaud, no worries, but I meant the guy at the end with the photo of Kate when she's younger. Wasn't he present throughout the episode or am I just suffering from a hectic day of Manchester's trains ¬.¬

No worries. :) He may have been, but only in the background if he was. I don't remember him speaking up until that final scene.

I believe he was the 'good cop' - the first soldier who tried to get Sayid to interogate the other Iraqi, not the second 'bad cop' one who could actually speak the language, but yet still forced Sayid to do the interrogation.

Sayid's flashbacks in this episode are some of the best flashbacks this season, we are introduced to Inman, the guy who basically taught Sayid how to torture people and we see the return of Kate's stepdad Sam (played by Lindsay Ginter i think) which provides a cross which almost mimics the cross of Sayid on TV in "What Kate Did".

The return of Danielle Rousseau is just excellent. Her character's interaction with Sayid has always been one of the pivotal relationships in the show. I am very glad she is back and well if she says Henry is One Of Them then I believe her.

It was very nice to see Sayid remembering Shannon, even if it was the memory of digging her grave.

The only thing I dislike about this episode is the Hatch Countdown. I think it could have waited, it seemed like TPTB were trying to force pivotal events in this episode.

i think henry gail is lying ... he might not be lying about the balloon there might be a balloon on the island but thats not his tho ....henry gail is a character from the wizard of oz
if you did't know that already

Who's the big American in the desert combats and mirror lens specs? I think I've seen him elsewhere without them.

He probably has distinctive eyes...

They way Henry Gale looked at Sayid and gave that look it was a bit skin crawling. First i believed he was a person who crashed on a baloon but i don't think he did now. That look he gave changed everything.

Who's the big American in the desert combats and mirror lens specs? I think I've seen him elsewhere without them.

He probably has distinctive eyes...

The one who spoke Iraqi? He's in a few things, but the only one I can place is Zim (?) the drill instructor in Starship Troopers

The actors name is Clancy Brown.

No worries. :) He may have been, but only in the background if he was. I don't remember him speaking up until that final scene.

Ahh I dunno. It took me 4.5 hours to get home from work instead of 2 on Tuesday, so I was ready to drop.

I have the episode recorded, so I'll watch it later just to clear things up :P

Thank you all. :) I'ma gonna go google him now... see if he's as big as he looked :eek2: ...

The actors name is Clancy Brown.

Isn't he the voice of Mr Krabs in Spongebob Squarepants?

How many people think Henry's an other?

I really dont think he is:

1.) He would not be stupid enough to fall into a trap.
2.) From what we've seen in previous episodes, the others dont travel alone.
3.) If for some reason he did fall into a trap and was alone, im pretty sure the other others would have located and resuced him in the 24 hours or so he was in Danielle's trap.
4.) If he was an other, i dont think he would have ran when Sayid set him free.

and probably some more reasons i missed.

How many people think Henry's an other?

I really dont think he is:

1.) He would not be stupid enough to fall into a trap.
2.) From what we've seen in previous episodes, the others dont travel alone.
3.) If for some reason he did fall into a trap and was alone, im pretty sure the other others would have located and resuced him in the 24 hours or so he was in Danielle's trap.
4.) If he was an other, i dont think he would have ran when Sayid set him free.

and probably some more reasons i missed.

I don't think the others really care for other other's if you get me! Because when Mr Eko killed 2 others Goodwin didn't show any sympathy neither to the other who got killed by Ana. and the look he gave was a bit freaky, and wasn't he clean shaven or something? He didn't have much of a beard.

I think he is definately an Other, maybe he was trying to be caught by someone which is why he was alone.

I still find it really hard to believe he would get caught like that, in the words of Mr Eko 'They will only be found if they want to be found' So the only explanation i could think of is him possibly getting caught on purpose to spy on them.

I think since they don't have Ethan to spy on the survivors they have to get someone else to do it. SO Henry got himself trapped on purpose so he could fake as a balloonist crashed on the island. Maybe he is like Goodwin trying to get the good people or those who are at threat as the fuselagers haven't had much kidnapping (except Charlie & Claire) and the Tailies had loads kidnapped.

How many people think Henry's an other?

I really dont think he is:

1.) He would not be stupid enough to fall into a trap.
2.) From what we've seen in previous episodes, the others dont travel alone.
3.) If for some reason he did fall into a trap and was alone, im pretty sure the other others would have located and resuced him in the 24 hours or so he was in Danielle's trap.
4.) If he was an other, i dont think he would have ran when Sayid set him free.

and probably some more reasons i missed.

I'd just like to point out that #2 isn't necessarily true. Technically Ethan and Goodwin were 'alone' (in terms of being around other Others).

Also, perhaps his capture was intentional? Iunno.

Also, perhaps his capture was intentional? Iunno.

Yep - I reckon he's another plant.

Yep - I reckon he's another plant.

Then why did he try to run when Sayid set him free, he looked like he really wanted to get away.

Then why did he try to run when Sayid set him free, he looked like he really wanted to get away.

Or did he? :P

Then why did he try to run when Sayid set him free, he looked like he really wanted to get away.

Perhaps it all goes towards reinforcing his story.

I belive the whole encounter with Danielle/Henry was staged. It just felt off. Henry is definately an Other, I'm 100% sure of it. I mean the look at the end through the door was just freaky.

Are you suggesting that Danielle is in on it then?

I belive the whole encounter with Danielle/Henry was staged. It just felt off. Henry is definately an Other, I'm 100% sure of it. I mean the look at the end through the door was just freaky.

Even shooting him through the chest with an arrow was staged? :confused:

Even shooting him through the chest with an arrow was staged? :confused:

I completely agree Gangster Priest (love that username btw). There's no way that the trapping of Henry was staged, or the shooting. Here's what I think:-

Henry Gale is an Other. The Others are well aware of Danielle and where her traps are located (although at the same time she has managed to keep her personal whereabouts secret from them for almost 16 years - they no longer want her, only her child). All that HG had to do was find a trap and activate it, knowing that Danielle would soon come running and then inform the Losties of Gale's whereabouts. Gale running away was simply his way of maintaining the fabrication that he is indeed an innocent man. If he hadn't run it would have looked bloody odd. Danielle hates the Others for obvious reasons, and hence the speed with which she shot Gale down. I've never doubted Danielle's story, and I don't now. Gale is the only one staging something here.

I completely agree Gangster Priest (love that username btw). There's no way that the trapping of Henry was staged, or the shooting. Here's what I think:-

Henry Gale is an Other. The Others are well aware of Danielle and where her traps are located (although at the same time she has managed to keep her personal whereabouts secret from them for almost 16 years - they no longer want her, only her child). All that HG had to do was find a trap and activate it, knowing that Danielle would soon come running and then inform the Losties of Gale's whereabouts. Gale running away was simply his way of maintaining the fabrication that he is indeed an innocent man. If he hadn't run it would have looked bloody odd. Danielle hates the Others for obvious reasons, and hence the speed with which she shot Gale down. I've never doubted Danielle's story, and I don't now. Gale is the only one staging something here.

Yes i agree with you Michaud. I think he fell in a trap on purpose.

Yes i agree with you Michaud. I think he fell in a trap on purpose.

At the same time it is quite possible that HG didn't intend to get caught by a trap, but was trying to infiltrate the Losites in some other way, but I suspect we'll never know.

Yeah exactly how are we going to find out that this guy is an other as we've seen Sayid didnt have much luck with it, is he just going to stand up and say 'yeah alright im one of them you can kill me now' or is he just going to live in the hatch forever. I guess if they did find out that he was they could trade him for Walt but that kind of seems too easy and obvious.

Well we will have to find out at some point, otherwise there's no point in bringing him into the show. If his background is going to remain unknown for the rest of the series (and subsequent series) with no explanation, then that is going to be a very big plot hole.

We could find out via a number of ways, however unlikely (it will depend on the circumstances at the time):

1) He admits it
2) Sayid beats it out of him eventually
3) Charlie sings to him until he submits
4) Ana shoots him and in his subsequent death throws he reveals all
5) The Losties find out from another source

The most obvious way though would be to actually check out his story (the balloon and all of that)

I think we will find out eventually, but I dont think he is really Henry Gale. In a weird twist, it reminds me of the Wizard of Oz. Lol.
Because:
1) Dorothy's last name was Gale
2) The wizard got blown to Oz in a balloon
3) Dorothy's Uncle is called Uncle Henry

Get the picture :S
lol

just a weird connection

I dont think he is who he says he is tho, but he is definately an other!!

Did anyone stop to think that the writers may make it seem like Henry Gale is an other? It would be a big twist if the majority of viewers think that he is an other an he turns out not to be. Yes he had a smirk of victory on his face when jack dragged sayid away from his but he won me over when he seemed to know Sayid was mourning someone. But to be fair, if the other are watchin the survivors, he would know that anyway. It is avery good point that he is clean shaven, we will find out soon enough. I bet the the kick in he had off sayid will hurt and show in the morning. Glad to see that Sayid still likes Charlie.
Jaz

Did anyone stop to think that the writers may make it seem like Henry Gale is an other? It would be a big twist if the majority of viewers think that he is an other an he turns out not to be. Yes he had a smirk of victory on his face when jack dragged sayid away from his but he won me over when he seemed to know Sayid was mourning someone. But to be fair, if the other are watchin the survivors, he would know that anyway. It is avery good point that he is clean shaven, we will find out soon enough. I bet the the kick in he had off sayid will hurt and show in the morning. Glad to see that Sayid still likes Charlie.
Jaz

heh - thats the thing with lost - could go either way!

Yeah its very unpredictable.

So glad to see Roussaux was back I love her and Sayids interactions!
Anyway Henry is an other its obvious, that look at the end that victorious evil look, he knew Danielle would never have let him run off, if anything the arrow helped him and his story. I don't think Henry betted on Sayid uncovering his story meaning now he isn't trusted! Afterall a balloon crash does no one find that slightly dodgy!!!, I know he was there to...

take Locke away, possibly kill Ana Lucia. It seems he is the leader of the others! It seems Locke must be terribly important if the 'leader' wants to take him personly!


Anyway hes a great addition to the story, the series is only gonna get better.

I've just been browsing the Lost Experience forums, and found the following from a summary of what has happened in The Experience so far...

Thus, Rachel’s next stop was Iceland, arriving on Wednesday, June 28. Here she confirmed that GidgetGirl’s intel was good, and she was back on Mittelwerk’s trail. Rachel met with Dr. Armand Zander, director of the Vik Institute, whose letter of protest had appeared as part of Persephone’s hacks on the Hanso Foundation website. Zander confirmed that the occupants of the third subbasement he had mentioned in his letter were not mental patients, but instead were mathematicians and autistic savants, working on an equation that involved symbols that Zander thought looked like hieroglyphics. Dr. Zander emailed Rachel an image of the hieroglyphics, confirming that they were the same ones we had seen previously in the memory game that revealed the meaning of DHARMA. However, after this email, Zander vanished—he wasn’t answering his phone, his email account became inactive, and the missing man was accused of setting the Vik Institute fire.

Commenters on Rachel’s blog suggested that the equation could possibly be the Valenzetti Equation, a "doomsday" equation that was the subject of an out-of-print book written by Gary Troup, the deceased author of "Bad Twin". After listening to a caller on a podcast by DJ Dan, Rachel also guessed that Valenzetti hadn’t actually died in a plane crash en route to Paris—he had merely disappeared, and that with the Vik project disrupted, Mittelwerk had gone to find Valenzetti himself. Rachel also called in to DJ Dan’s show, confirming that she was indeed "Persephone", the hacker responsible for revealing all of the earlier information on the dirty deeds of the Hanso Foundation executive board and the secret purposes behind their altruistic-sounding projects.

GidgetGirl confirmed for Rachel that the Valenzetti Equation was indeed of the utmost importance to the Hanso Foundation, and that Mittelwerk had traveled to Sanremo, Italy, where Valenzetti was born and lived until his disappearance. She could not, however, confirm that Valenzetti was still alive—and refused to reveal her real identity, even with Rachel outing herself as Persephone. Still, Rachel booked her tickets for her next destination.

Iceland key points: Mathematicians and autistic savants at the Vik Institute were working on the Valenzetti Equation, which predicts the end of the world. With the work at the Institute disrupted by a fire, Mittelwerk took off for Sanremo, Italy, possibly to hunt down the presumed-dead Valenzetti. Rachel confirmed that she was Persephone, and found that people who help her tend to disappear, or worse.


I don't think anyone (not in this forum anywhere) has explored the hyroglyphics that came up when the counter ticked past zero (that accompanied the mysterious clanking) I remember playing a memory game in the Lost experience with the same symbols!

The heiroglyphics say someting to do with death, when they were seen, but could it not be possible to get different symbols when the button is not pressed, or would it be the same each time?

The heiroglyphics say someting to do with death, when they were seen, but could it not be possible to get different symbols when the button is not pressed, or would it be the same each time?

ok - with the danger of diving off on a tangent into the Lost Experience this is what the glyphs were:
http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/img/response/glyphs.jpg

and some more on the Valenzetti Equation book by Gary Troup, author of Bad Twin (the manuscript Hurley was reading, and supposedly the guy who got sucked into the engine in the Pilot). This page http://stophanso.rachelblake.com/recap.html#detail gives the full detail of the Lost Experience thus far, and suggests the hyroglyphs mean. “(to cause) to die”

Ok thats interesting thanks:biggrin: , I've already ordered Bad Twin from Smiths, i'm getting that soon and will proabably have more to say on the matter once I've read it.

The heiroglyphics say someting to do with death, when they were seen, but could it not be possible to get different symbols when the button is not pressed, or would it be the same each time?

I heard on a lost podcast can't remember which one either the official one or the Channel4 one. That the heiroglyphics mean 'Underworld'

It seems as if we are all supposed to think Henry Gale is 'an other' but I actually do believe he is. A double bluff by the writers is always possible! He may have been sacrificed by the Others to distract the group for some reason. After all, he is taking up a lot of Jack and Locke's focus at the moment which could be to the detriment of the group.

I heard on a lost podcast can't remember which one either the official one or the Channel4 one. That the heiroglyphics mean 'Underworld'

Underworld? Definitley not the channel 4 one I've heard no mention of that, Marbleheads posted what the herioglyphics mean a few posts up from here.

I heard on a lost podcast can't remember which one either the official one or the Channel4 one. That the heiroglyphics mean 'Underworld'

And I don't remember hearing it on the ABC podcasts...

Should'nt what the heiroglyphs translate too be a minor spoiler considering that we've not seen all five locked into place in any episode that's been on in the UK so far?

It takes all five to get an exact translation, so far all we've had is four...

:confused:

And I don't remember hearing it on the ABC podcasts...

It was on the latest ABC podcast which is basically the Q&A session from Comic-Con

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/111248.html

It was on the latest ABC podcast which is basically the Q&A session from Comic-Con

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/111248.html

Ooh, thanks, I didn't know that was out. I'll grab it immediately!:biggrin:

Ooh, thanks, I didn't know that was out. I'll grab it immediately!:biggrin:
It's really good. I spoiler fonted what the heiroglyphics mean because i didn't know it translate 5 heiroglyphics as we only seen 4.]

the heiroglyphics mean im gonna spoiler font it coz there a spoiler for season 3
the heiroglyphics mean under world i think its ment to be a hint to where the other's live which some people think is in a under water hatch which sound's pretty cool

the heiroglyphics mean im gonna spoiler font it coz there a spoiler for season 3
the heiroglyphics mean under world i think its ment to be a hint to where the other's live which some people think is in a under water hatch which sound's pretty cool

Sorry but I think thats pretty naff, I was hoping TPTB wouldn't take the whole wierd thing too far, and for me thats too far.
An underwater hatch! Why don't they just say its the lost island of Atlantis or something!???

An underwater hatch would'nt be bad at all, I think it would be part of the Zoological Research Facility, not all underwater, just the part that deals with the sharks, they have to be on land too because they have Polar Bears to study....or at least they did before the incident, that's my take on things anyway...

An underwater hatch would'nt be bad at all, I think it would be part of the Zoological Research Facility, not all underwater, just the part that deals with the sharks, they have to be on land too because they have Polar Bears to study....or at least they did before the incident, that's my take on things anyway...
yea that what i was thinking about it being the
zoological research facility it would be cool if it was but now i don't think so..
coz some info i've heard about season 3 say's stuff like locke and sayid and some other people go looking for jack/sawyer/kate on the other side of the island