Damn that was a great post STH right on the money there. :clapping: you nailed it ITA

He wants the hate cause he feels he alone deserves it. He hates everything that he is and what he became in order to survive. And hopes everyone will hate him as much as he hates himself. And your right, Kate threw a huge wrench in that by simply refusing to give him what he wants there.

And you mentioned that look on his face before she kissed him, sitll gets me to this day.. that completly open, vulneralbe, please-dear-god-i'm-dying look that says he needs this from her. Just unbelieavable. One of Josh's glorious pieces of acting there. That woman has turned his life upside down and he loves that and hates it at the same time.. Gotta be love i say :biggrin:

That look is his inner child look. The veil came down, exposing him. It was so beautiful. And that's what really sold the kiss for me. He wasn't kissing her just to get a cheap thrill, he really needed her in that moment. Needed to feel something other than pain and shame for all the things he'd done.

That look is his inner child look. The veil came down, exposing him. It was so beautiful. And that's what really sold the kiss for me. He wasn't kissing her just to get a cheap thrill, he really needed her in that moment. Needed to feel something other than pain and shame for all the things he'd done.

*at a loss for words* :shesaid: never seen it expresed that beautifully...

He really needs her NOW, too, in Othersville! And vice-versa! :love:

Thanks for the compliments. A lot of times, I think people aren't reading what I think I'm saying in my posts. But I guess you are! :biggrin:

Both of them fear captivity and loss of freedom and being taunted/pushed around by their captors/manipulators. They will see their captivity in similar ways. This will draw them closer. Just saying.

He hates what he's become, thus he hates himself, and wants everyone else to hate him, too. Heck, even the women he romanced in his con end up hating him! (I suspect that his knowing that made the con easier--he was simply doing what he had to do, whether he was enjoying it at the time or not--because the end result, being hated, was what he really wanted.)

Kate's really thrown a monkey wrench into his cycle of behavior. At the end of TLC, his line to her, "Guess I'm lucky that you don't hate me," has several levels. On the one hand, his "Sawyer" persona was taunting her, trying to get her to hate him as he tries to get everyone to hate him. Yet you could sense that he was hoping against hope that she WOULDN'T hate him. This must have boggled his mind. Still, as it turned out in the following episodes, Kate did not choose to hate him (though she hated his actions, and that he'd chosen NOT to be liked when, after the raft business, he was in a position to start over, and BE liked). And he clearly enjoyed her company, and was glad she didn't hate him!

She's turning his life inside out, and he's loving it, even as he's fighting it! :thumbsup:

We'd gotten a hint of this in Season 1, with "Confidence Man." Getting her to kiss him for the inhalers (that he DIDN'T have!) was a con; the kiss represented his getting the best of her, and maybe even getting her to hate him. But by the time she gave in, and leaned in for the kiss--that hurting, desperate, pleading look on his face spoke volumes! He hadn't gotten the upper hand, after all! He wanted that kiss; he wanted HER! And at that moment, he was vulnerable enough to not care that she saw his :heart: on his sleeve--or his face, in this case!

How he's going to handle being her choice for romance--if, indeed, he is--is going to be as conflicted as his dealing with wanting her and wanting to keep her at arms' length has always been! This is gonna be quite a season, methinks!

:mushy: STH, that was amazing! She is turning his life and him inside out and it scares him to death, but he just can't help himself, he keeps coming back for more! It is going to be a powerful moment when he finally realizes how far gone he already is. Well stated and beautifully written! Bravo!

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Aw. . .thanks, losttvfan.

Wouldn't surprise me if The Others are interested in "observing" James & Kate together. They must be fascinated by all the dynamics involved here! :grin:

Hey guys! Someone just posted the offical description of the first episode of season three on the ABC boards, so I thought I'd lift it over here!

A Tale of Two Cities

Original air date: October 04, 2006 (scheduled)

Flashback: Kate

Written by: Damon Lindelof, J.J. Abrams (co-writer)

Directed by: Jack Bender

Description: Jack, Kate and Sawyer must deal with their pasts, as they are held captive by "The Others" in mysterious prisons which remind them of their pre-island lives. Meanwhile, on the other side of the island, Bernard and Charlie attempt to re-establish leadership in a panicked camp, and Rose becomes concerned about the situation in the hatch.
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I LOVE the idea of the three of them ebing confronted by their pasts in the first episode! Will they be separate prisons, or will they all be witness to each others trauma? I'm thinking if they were, this could work out particually well for Kate and sawyer, as I think the key to them getting together is being forced to open up to one another. OMG, I'm SO excited about season 3, I can't believe that we have to wait until October

Wouldn't surprise me if The Others are interested in "observing" James & Kate together. They must be fascinated by all the dynamics involved here!

Heh. They aren't the only ones. Oh for some popcorn and a nice vantage point.:popcorn-chair:

Hehe, yeah no kidding Zoriah. Man is it October yet?

Thanks for the epi re-cap raven.:D

I thought Jack had the first epi, but this puts a different spin on things. And Im very very interested to find out how this prison will remind them of their past. I think Sawyer and Kate probably know what its like to be held in a cell, but Jack Im not so sure. So this either will expose some new info on Jack or they are gonna pull a Claire mind thing on them. Remember her room? Eesh. Getting goosebumps just thinking about it.:eek2:

And STH, that was a very eloquently written post. I think youve got where Sawyer is on the self-hatred thing nailed. Great job. ;)

Joemamah, Im so sorry to hear about your kitty too. I also know what its like to lose a pet and watch them when their like that--its heartbreaking :(. Especially one that youve had for so long that they have become part of the family. I lost my dog Colby, who was 15 years old, last summer and these Skaters were here for me then, so we'll definately be here for you now. Take care hun.

Thanks for the epi re-cap raven.:D

I thought Jack had the first epi, but this puts a different spin on things. And Im very very interested to find out how this prison will remind them of their past. I think Sawyer and Kate probably know what its like to be held in a cell, but Jack Im not so sure. So this either will expose some new info on Jack or they are gonna pull a Claire mind thing on them. Remember her room? Eesh. Getting goosebumps just thinking about it.:eek2:

Maybe they have contruscted cells for them that mirror places of their past, like for sawyer his bedroom where his Dad shot himself, or something like that. It'll be interesting to see if they are all put in separate prisons, or will be wtinesses to each other's trauma. If so I definetly thin it will bring kate and sawyer closer together!


Jomamah, I'm so sorry for what you're going through. My family and I have 4 cats, the eldest 7, but two of her litters of kittens all died at around 4 weeks, of a genetic condition the vet said, where they can't digest solid food and they waste away. It broke my heart to watch two of them die, then we were forced to put the rest down. I can imagine it must be so much worse with your cat who you have had for so long.

Okay you guys are gonna have to pick me up off the floor cause I think Im getting spoiler overload here, lol.

But raven, I think this may be an answer to your theory...

The latest spoiler talk from Kristin chat 8/14/06 courtesy of cactusjake our jater friend on the abc skate ship....

angelgirlla asks: Korbi! We need some Lost scoop...I promise I won't tell Kristin if you share!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Okay, I’m sure I’m reeeeeaaaallly probably not supposed to do this, but I just had to look through Kristin’s email for something and I saw this email from Damon Lindelof: “Yes - - Kate will be making a choice in the first sex episodes. Wait -- did I say "sex" episodes? I meant SIX episodes. Damn you, Freud!” So it looks like she’ll for sure be choosing between Jack and Sawyer in the first six. Ack! Any bets on who it will be? I don’t know why, but I’m thinking Sawyer.


Jen asks: So, Korbi, spill!! Kristin said you’d tell us if Jack, Kate and Sawyer are together or separated when the season begins.

Korbi_Ghosh replies: What’s that Offspring song? Oh yeah … You gotta keep ‘em separated.


Mary asks: Where are the three on Lost? Where will they be??!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Kristin gave me one clue on each. See if you can figure this shizniz out, cause it’s driving me insane! “Jack is inside something you’d find in a science class. Kate is on something we’ve seen before. And Sawyer is surrounded by something through which he shares a connection with Jack’s father.

double :eek2:

Hi everyone,

Thank you deeply for the support you're all giving me about my sweet cat. I knew beyond doubt that I'd get that from you, and I needed it. I'm glad I put it here. She's still with me this morning. I know putting her to sleep is the kind thing to do, but I don't know if I can.


OK - I'm going to focus here. This last spoiler is fascinating.

Is Jack in a lab?? I'm not exactly in love with him, but the thought of that scares me. Kate on something we've seen before. I have no clue. Sawyer surrounded by alcohol maybe? Feelings of inadequacy(sp?) maybe?

The "pulling an in Claire's mind thing" scenario I'll bet is what that means. That might be how they learn more about each other.

I look forward to reading your opinions.

Someone over on LF mentioned that Kate could be on drugs or an exam table like Claire.

I was thinking we may see Sawyer enclosed in a morgue drawer like Jack's father. Reminding him of hiding under his bed at the time of his parents tragic death. (shrug)

Pretty morbid.

Ain't we gonna have sooooo much fun seeing who can be the most gruesome about this spoiler/foiler? :rolleyes:

Since Kate's been seen ON her bike before, maybe her "vision" is of being on it at the time she met Karl, her short-lived husband. We KNOW who her FB guest stars are gonna be, after all! ;)

As for Jack, given the

spoiler about him in scrubs, I bet he relives a moment he snaps in surgery, post-divorce. He gets put on leave from the hospital, and goes wild (for Jack!) in Phuket, where he gets the tattoos!

Maybe with James,

The Others' ploy backfires, and James "envisions" himself in the Aussie bar--but instead of Christian, in walks the REAL Mr. Sawyer! :eek:


Hey, my guesses are as good as any, yeah? :71:

By the time James and Kate get to see each other again, they'll have been through some personal hell--THAT much, you can be sure of! Will it draw them closer together, or further apart? :42:

Hummmm. . .August 15. MAN, but October 4 is NEVER gonna get here! :down:

Okay you guys are gonna have to pick me up off the floor cause I think Im getting spoiler overload here, lol.

But raven, I think this may be an answer to your theory...

The latest spoiler talk from Kristin chat 8/14/06 courtesy of cactusjake our jater friend on the abc skate ship....

angelgirlla asks: Korbi! We need some Lost scoop...I promise I won't tell Kristin if you share!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Okay, I’m sure I’m reeeeeaaaallly probably not supposed to do this, but I just had to look through Kristin’s email for something and I saw this email from Damon Lindelof: “Yes - - Kate will be making a choice in the first sex episodes. Wait -- did I say "sex" episodes? I meant SIX episodes. Damn you, Freud!” So it looks like she’ll for sure be choosing between Jack and Sawyer in the first six. Ack! Any bets on who it will be? I don’t know why, but I’m thinking Sawyer.


Jen asks: So, Korbi, spill!! Kristin said you’d tell us if Jack, Kate and Sawyer are together or separated when the season begins.

Korbi_Ghosh replies: What’s that Offspring song? Oh yeah … You gotta keep ‘em separated.


Mary asks: Where are the three on Lost? Where will they be??!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Kristin gave me one clue on each. See if you can figure this shizniz out, cause it’s driving me insane! “Jack is inside something you’d find in a science class. Kate is on something we’ve seen before. And Sawyer is surrounded by something through which he shares a connection with Jack’s father.

double :eek2:

Woah! Definite spoiler overload!!!! I am somewhat suprised thst Kate's gonna have sex with anybody though. I remeber reading an interview with her in some magazine where, tbh, she comes across as a bit of a prude. Apparently she will never do any nude shots, and will only go so far as kissing someone in the context of the show. I guess they could imply she's had sex with someone, like the did with sayid and shannon, I mean it was pretty clear what they were gonna do without actually showing it. I guess I always hoped we might get to see a little bit more passion if sawyer and kate ever had sex. I wonder why that person thinks its going to be sawyer. It seems every source seems to be heading in the sawyer direction, which in a way makes me nervous, because whilst sawyer was always a factor in the love trinmagle, he was always the under-dog, the person she was less ikely to pick. And now everyone seems to think kate will choose him, jack is now the under-dog, which worries me because they may be saying to make people feel sorry for Jack so they'll be less annoyed if she picks him. Does any of that make any sense lol!

Well, now we know they're gonna be separated, so presumably in separate prisons. I wonder what they mean by those clues, Jack inside something you would find in a science class.....some kind of table having experiments done on him maybe? As for Kate's, we know she's been on a bike and a plane, I can't see what they mean other that a form of transport...unless they mean a man, lol, sorry dirty mind! As for sawyerm, the only connection we have between him and Jack's father is that bar in Sidney, I don't see the point in making him re-live that. Unless the point of these prisons is to make them go through a past event andgive them the chance to make a different decision, like sawyer deciding njot to go after Frank Duckett.

These have made me want to see the episode even more now! I don't think I can wait until October!!!!!!

Raven, Spoilerish chat....

I remember when Evi mentioned that too about not doing any nude scenes. And rest assured on Sex and The City, SJP had the same deal. And if they can make it work on an HBO show like that, they can definately make it work on abc. Plus I dont think they could show any nudity on a network primetime show anyway. With a pg-14 rating the most we can hope for is cleavage, both kinds ;). Anyway, I dont think Evis refusal to do nudity will be a problem if they did it tastefully enough.

I do agree though that her character is quite prudish and I dont know if I beleive that Kate will be the one to have sex. Especially at this stage. I dont know. I guess its possible. I didnt think the Sana sex would happen last season either though, lol.

I know what you mean about it sounds almost too good to be true. Im leaning towards the more optimistic side for Skate, but theres still a small part of me that thinks they will find some way to throw a wrench into the mix. I guess we have to stay tuned as always. :p


Whew, any more of these spoilers and our heads are bound to explode, lol.

Not sure why I'm putting this in spoiler tags, but...my understanding about Evi doing partial nudity scenes had more to do with the necessity of being half nude than her doing them period.

Now, I could be wrong, but I think she would understand that her character is going to have sex with one if not both of these men at some point during the show. She's the lead actress...an implied sex scene isn't going to cut it with there being such a large portion of Lost's audience, and the media who've been awaiting that particular moment...at least the first time.

Besides, it's not like ABC is going to be able to get away with much in that aspect. Whatever they do, even if they're given creative license to an extent, it will have to be tastefully done.

We've been talking about these Kristin spoilers at the Lost Forum, my guesses are the following:

Jack is inside... a glass cage (like a lab rat, being studied by Juliet)
Kate is on...Claire's happy drugs or on an examination chair (both of which we saw in ML)
Sawyer is surrounded by...bars (a prison cell and a pun on 'bars' the thing he has in common with Christian)

Oh sweetie, that is exactly how we lost our Patches, exactly and it breaks your heart. We dropped water in her mouth for two days and finally had to face the hard fact that our final act of love would be to have her put to sleep. We were holding her when she passed away. I have tears in my eyes writing this but I had to tell you that there are many of us out here who know what you are feeling and feel for you. My heart goes out to you, your husband and your little Slug.

Well, if I wasn't almost in tears after your post Joemamaah, I am now! Like everyone else here, I'm so sorry to hear about your little Slug too. It breaks my heart to hear of any pet or animal suffering and the suffering that causes on their owners too - I like cats too but have never owned one but my little dog died last Feb. and I can honestly say that I have never cried so much as I did then when I knew she was dying and had to be put down. I really hope that Lisa is right and we all see our pets again someday in an afterlife - I have often thought that ;) - an elderly woman I knew told me about her experience of almost dying during a coronary bypass operation and she said that she saw that oft-mentioned 'bright light' with all her relatives who passed before her & her dog too wagging his tail - always thought that sounded lovely, that her pet was there too for her - maybe that's stupid, but I like thinking it's possible...

I agree with the above Muchacha, hope you didn't think I'd murder someone!! Agree with Fricks too in that you must have a unique insight as the victim of a certain degree of abuse, sorry to hear you had any of that to deal with, it couldn't have been easy & I can't say that I know those feelings which you must have experienced - only horror that anyone has to experience them at all, whatever the degree of the abuse involved.


The episode is WKD.

No, i wouldn't think that! But i think that if one had to do it in self defense they should be prepared for it. i decided a long time ago that if he crossed the line with anyone else i wouldn't allow it. And thinking more about how i felt in the past i realize that i, too, went through a period where i thought if i was good enough that it would stop but it never did. i could never be good enough for him or do enough of the right things.


Thanks for the ep btw, that makes sense. :redface:

I've been so emotionally drained lately that haven't exercised my brain enough more than to vote in those help/hurt elimination games. (Is there an emoticon sowing your eyes rolling far back into your head?)

i know that feeling. i hope things get better for you. i still remember losing my dog because he got hit by a car unexpectedly. He was half greyhound and didn't chase cars and could have run circles around any car that was going the speed limit. At least you will get to say goodbye, i think that will help. :frown:

I LOVE the idea of the three of them ebing confronted by their pasts in the first episode! Will they be separate prisons, or will they all be witness to each others trauma? I'm thinking if they were, this could work out particually well for Kate and sawyer, as I think the key to them getting together is being forced to open up to one another. OMG, I'm SO excited about season 3, I can't believe that we have to wait until October


Sooo... who's not too thrilled about Bernard and Charlie making a power play? i liked the theory some one else had that Hurley would take charge. Anyone think Rose and Locke might have a relapse? People were discussing that right after LTDA, too.

Woah! Definite spoiler overload!!!! I am somewhat suprised thst Kate's gonna have sex with anybody though. I remeber reading an interview with her in some magazine where, tbh, she comes across as a bit of a prude. Apparently she will never do any nude shots, and will only go so far as kissing someone in the context of the show.


Uh, you do know that Evi used to be a missionary, don't you? And what exactly do you consider to be prudish? We've seen her in underwear w/bra and underwear w/tanktop. i'd be disappointed in her if she did much more.

That look is his inner child look. The veil came down, exposing him. It was so beautiful. And that's what really sold the kiss for me. He wasn't kissing her just to get a cheap thrill, he really needed her in that moment. Needed to feel something other than pain and shame for all the things he'd done.

Zoriah, Fricksgurl, STH - I agree with Fricks - your post stated this so beautifully Zoriah but you all stated it so perfectly too! That moment when Sawyer says "ok" and that look he gave was just brilliant - if that isn't award-winning acting, I don't know what is - Josh did it perfectly. I don't know how to describe it any better than all 3 of you did :ntworthy:

Thank you, Midnight, for this and your message, too. You are beautiful. And I do believe pets can go to Heaven. Considering they each have their own personalities, quirks, likes & dislikes, attachments to particular brands of cat food, ;) they MUST have a soul.

Thank you Muchacha - she's had a good life.

Got a lot attacking my brain now-days. The spoilers are unnerving.

Gosh, so many spoilers all at once, I'm giddy with excitement :happy_bounce::whew:

.... and I've just realised that I don't seem to be able to post spoilers properly :frown: so I can't give you my thoughts on them, but I do like all those posted anyway...

Midnight I have the same problem, I have no idea how to do them spoiler warnings properly, but I'm enjoying reading them so much! Can't hardly wait for the new season to start...
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I am totally on spoiler overload i can't think straight :eek2: :shock:

but i'll take a gander...per suual..

wow that epi description, damn, rooms that remind them of their pasts.. there's so much speculation but all i can think of is, personal hells here we come. They are keepin them separate but will they be able to have any sight of eschother? This sounds like some serious mind game stuff going on..
As far as that Kristen stuff.. it's like a dman riddle, I saw it last night, too late to post and i've been trying to figure it out all day at work.
my thoughts: Jack: A Cell, A Cage... i dunno
Kate: a tree, the horse, a mountian.. Sawyer :naughty: sorry that last one was just my evil Skater mind... :biggrin:
Sawyer: this one i'm at a loss on.. i'm tryin to think of what he has in common with Christian, although the bars thing makes sense to me...



is it October yet? :biggrin:

I am totally on spoiler overload i can't think straight :eek2: :shock:

but i'll take a gander...per suual..

Sawyer :naughty: sorry that last one was just my evil Skater mind... :biggrin:
Sawyer: this one i'm at a loss on.. i'm tryin to think of what he has in common with Christian, although the bars thing makes sense to me...



is it October yet? :biggrin:

Sawyer and Christian, besides being in a bar, have the feeling in common that they are subpar, that they don't measure up to the standards they think they are supposed to be. (Or at least Christian might not have realized it until the end.) I don't know if I'm getting the Christian perspective right, but if so, they would share this. I wonder why Christian decided to spill his guts to Sawyer there in the bar in the first place. Maybe Christian sensed that Sawyer could relate to him.

Uh, you do know that Evi used to be a missionary, don't you? And what exactly do you consider to be prudish? We've seen her in underwear w/bra and underwear w/tanktop. i'd be disappointed in her if she did much more.

No, I didn't know that actually. It makes sense as in the article it talked about her religious beliefs. Sorry, prude was the wrong word to use I think, I was in a rush so typed the first thing that came into my head. I think it was more her religious beliefs made her feel unconfortable doing nude shots etc. But, when obvuoiusly they can't show anything too graphic, as like some one said, its not exactly R rated, I think whoever she sleeps with first, they are going to have to be made a bigger deal out of than say shannon and sayid's first time was, because of the massive build up to her choosing someone. Although, after reading that article I was suprised with the amount of skin Evvi has flashed on the show, like you saisd we have seen her in her underwear etc. But I'm sure if or when it does happen the writers will be able to do it tastefully enough not to make Evi do anything she's uncomfortable with, and still make it quite passionate!

I did read somewhere that Carlton said kate will choose a lover, which to be implies that she will sleep with whoever she chooses. Guess we will havw to wait and see though! These spoilers are driving me nuts though, I can't wait until October, I'm gonna go mad!

Gosh, so many spoilers all at once, I'm giddy with excitement :happy_bounce::whew:

.... and I've just realised that I don't seem to be able to post spoilers properly :frown: so I can't give you my thoughts on them, but I do like all those posted anyway...

Midnight I have the same problem, I have no idea how to do them spoiler warnings properly, but I'm enjoying reading them so much! Can't hardly wait for the new season to start...
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Simply write your text, then highlight it and click on that little black button with the white "S" on it. :)

No, I didn't know that actually. It makes sense as in the article it talked about her religious beliefs.

Do you remember what magazine that was in? i would certainly like to read it. i haven't been keeping up with the magazines as i've been too busy working... now that i have a new job i'm going to be starting school again.

Thanks Starrox, I can't believe the spoiler tags are working for me now! So, here are my guesses on those spoilers:

"Korbi_Ghosh replies: Kristin gave me one clue on each. See if you can figure this shizniz out, cause it’s driving me insane! “Jack is inside something you’d find in a science class. Kate is on something we’ve seen before. And Sawyer is surrounded by something through which he shares a connection with Jack’s father."

My guesses aren't gonna be as good as any already posted, that's for sure -


hmmm, all I can think of in a science class is a bunsen burner - it's not as if Jack can be put inside one of those! ... Maybe a giant test tube of some sort, that could make more sense!
As for Kate, the bike does come to mind first and the exam table/chair is a scary idea but quite possible, hate the thoughts of where they could be going with that...
Sawyer - bars as in ?jail cell does sound possible to me, other than that all I can think of regarding a connection with Christian is the issue they both have with confronting their pasts and dealing with them - surrounded by this in some way maybe?

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Aug/16/il/photos.html

Here's a photo show from the DVD premiere yesterday...Josh in Purple...Nice......LOL

Jewel :grin:

Here are some photos taken yesterday of Josh, Evie and some of the Lost cast members at the season 2 DVD premiere launch:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...il/photos.html (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Aug/16/il/photos.html)

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Josh looks well doesn't he? :tongue_s:

I see you've just beaten me to it with the pics jewel!

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Aug/16/il/photos.html

Here's a photo show from the DVD premiere yesterday...Josh in Purple...Nice......LOL

Jewel :grin: I have to say Terry has never looked so good!

Wow, here I am gone for one day and I come back to spoiler central...too cool!!!

Okay you guys are gonna have to pick me up off the floor cause I think Im getting spoiler overload here, lol.

But raven, I think this may be an answer to your theory...

The latest spoiler talk from Kristin chat 8/14/06 courtesy of cactusjake our jater friend on the abc skate ship....

angelgirlla asks: Korbi! We need some Lost scoop...I promise I won't tell Kristin if you share!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Okay, I’m sure I’m reeeeeaaaallly probably not supposed to do this, but I just had to look through Kristin’s email for something and I saw this email from Damon Lindelof: “Yes - - Kate will be making a choice in the first sex episodes. Wait -- did I say "sex" episodes? I meant SIX episodes. Damn you, Freud!” So it looks like she’ll for sure be choosing between Jack and Sawyer in the first six. Ack! Any bets on who it will be? I don’t know why, but I’m thinking Sawyer.


Jen asks: So, Korbi, spill!! Kristin said you’d tell us if Jack, Kate and Sawyer are together or separated when the season begins.

Korbi_Ghosh replies: What’s that Offspring song? Oh yeah … You gotta keep ‘em separated.


Mary asks: Where are the three on Lost? Where will they be??!

Korbi_Ghosh replies: Kristin gave me one clue on each. See if you can figure this shizniz out, cause it’s driving me insane! “Jack is inside something you’d find in a science class. Kate is on something we’ve seen before. And Sawyer is surrounded by something through which he shares a connection with Jack’s father.

double :eek2:

Okay here's my take on what that means, I could be wrong but this is what I think

Sawyer: something that would connect him to Jack's father would have to be a bar or liquor. Now it could be "bar" as in bars like in a jail cell but I do think it's probably something that resembles a bar. I think they might be trying to use liquor to control him, perhaps even laced with something.

Kate: I'm not sure about this one at all, other than perhaps it is the exam table where Claire was, but since Kate isn't pregnant, I'm not sure I would go with that.

Jack: something that would be found in a science class -- the only thing I can think of for that would be a laboratory and I wonder if Jack will spend a lot of time in scrubs

Do you remember what magazine that was in? i would certainly like to read it. i haven't been keeping up with the magazines as i've been too busy working... now that i have a new job i'm going to be starting school again.

The magazine was In Style Makeover and I am almost certain that the love scene will be as hot as can be on network TV and tremendously more than Shannon and Sayid.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Here ya go....Notice WHERE his hand is......LOL

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/hippiejewel/sea2dvdparty-038.jpg

Jewel :grin:

Here ya go....Notice WHERE his hand is......LOL

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c317/hippiejewel/sea2dvdparty-038.jpg

Jewel :grin:

I'd be smiling, too. But don't they look good together????

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? Does Kate choose Sawyer? Does she learn of the Sana incident? If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice?

What are your thoughts?

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? Does Kate choose Sawyer? Does she learn of the Sana incident? If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice?

What are your thoughts?


Excellent questions Darbi, but as my head keeps hitting the keyboard, it's probably time for bed...I'll catch up in the morning...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Excellent questions Darbi, but as my head keeps hitting the keyboard, it's probably time for bed...I'll catch up in the morning...
Sweet dreams, Lisa!

Er. . ."catch up in the morning" could also mean catch up with "Battlefield Revisited"? :wink3:

Lovin' those photos from the DVD release party!!! :biggrin:

I always like to get candid photos of Josh and Evi together...:) I still think Josh makes really poor shirt choices when left up to his own devices...although NOTHING could top that railroad disaster from last year :fear3: ...lol! Evi looks PHENOMENAL though!

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? Does Kate choose Sawyer? Does she learn of the Sana incident? If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice?

What are your thoughts?

Great questions Darbi :)

I'm really not into this whole "kate choosing" thing yet. Because I think that making a real CHOICE at this point might wreck the dynamic. But obviously if she has to choose I want her to choose Sawyer (although if she chooses jack FIRST that could be better for Sawyer in the long run). I think she'll choose Sawyer this time though. Just a feeling I have, but I could be wrong.

I HOPE she learns about the Sana incident. Because she really has no basis for getting angry at him, since she had no claims on him...but I can see her getting irrationally jealous. And I think his reaction to that would be incredibly funny. I'm not sure it'll come up again anytime soon though. I can't picture them worrying about stuff like that when they're captured.

If Kate chooses Sawyer he may very well push her away, but I don't think it'll have anything to do with guilt over Ana Lucia. I think he knows that he didn't do anything wrong there, he just felt strange because it's surreal to see someone you just slept with dead a couple of hours later. He felt like he needed to tell someone what happened...get it off his chest, which is why he told Jack. But I don't think he'll have any long term guilt about it. I think he may push Kate away, because although it's so obvious that he wants her...he keeps her at arms length all the time to protect himself. I don't think he trusts himself or her enough at this point.

Hello OutKasters :wavey:

I've watched the clip of Evi saying," she loves Josh over and over" and I'm loving all the pics of Josh and Evi from the second season DVD launch .

i didn't know that Mrs. Holloway is asian. :eek2: Was expecting some gorgeous blonde for some reason, but she's really pretty in a shy way. That shirt is pretty crazy and Evi's dress.... verrrry daring.


Sawyer: something that would connect him to Jack's father would have to be a bar or liquor. Now it could be "bar" as in bars like in a jail cell but I do think it's probably something that resembles a bar. I think they might be trying to use liquor to control him, perhaps even laced with something.

Kate: I'm not sure about this one at all, other than perhaps it is the exam table where Claire was, but since Kate isn't pregnant, I'm not sure I would go with that.



The magazine was In Style Makeover and I am almost certain that the love scene will be as hot as can be on network TV and tremendously more than Shannon and Sayid.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Hmmm... how about Kate in a hospital? The scene of her mother's betrayal and her childhood friend's deah? ita about Sawyer in a bar. No idea on Jack... maybe he had a crush on someone in his high school science class? The teacher maybe. :biggrin:

And do you mean the new one that's on newstands right now? i glanced at the photos and didn't read it. Back to the store, i guess.

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? Does Kate choose Sawyer? Does she learn of the Sana incident? If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice?

What are your thoughts?

Guess I should attempt to answer my own questions:

As much as I'd like for Kate choose Sawyer, I get distinct feeling that she won't. Like Queen mentioned, at this point, and with the Sana incident looming, I just can't see it happening. But not just for that reason.

If Kate does choose Sawyer, and he pushes her away, I think the Sana incident may have a little, just a little to do with it, but I also think something may be revealed, strictly dealing with Sawyer that he makes him feel he has to push her away. Don't know what they something might be...mere speculation at this point.

If Kate chooses Jack...then it's not like I wasn't expecting it to happen. Kate is attracted to Jack. He's attracted to her. Jack, from as far as I can tell represents what Kate feels is good, what will make her good. That's important to her, so I can see if the Sana incident is revealed along with whatever else may happen while captive to color her decision, Jack may be her choice.

I think it's quite possible that whatever happens while the three are captive effects each in a profound way...and ultimately plays a major part in Kate's decision.


JMO...

Here I thought I was going to be able to make myself be spoiler free for Season 3. It's just too tempting!!!!!! I think Season 3 is going to be excellent. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!
:Jumpy:

hahahaha Queenie i was always of the opinion most guys should not be left to their own devices when it comes to clothes LOL That is a bad shirt :roflmao: But i like the pic :biggrin:

as far as the questions well..
I hope she does 'chose' Sawyer, and that its a real choice. In other words i don't want her to do it simply cause she couldn't have Jack. Although i'm not sure if a choice at this point would be permanent (although if ti's Sawyer i hope so).

As far as the Sana stuff goes, i think she'll find out and i'm very interested in her reaction to that. Cause like we mentioned she's never had any real competiton for his afferctions so to speak, and i'd like to see how she reacts to the knowledge he essentially turned to someone else. And his reaction to that, should be great theater :biggrin:

And yes i think he will try and push her away again, that's what he does. I think he so frightened by her in so many ways that he'll definatly try. i don't it's neccesarily because of guilt over Sana, cause i don't think he feels guilty about the actual act, but more cause of the repercussions of it, the end result in other words. But more cause he feels he doesn't deserve her, or anything good for that matter.

still think Josh makes really poor shirt choices when left up to his own devices...
Yeah. I have to agree there.

i didn't know that Mrs. Holloway is asian.
Indonesian, I think.
100%

have to say Terry has never looked so good!
Why, yes, yes he does. Very good.

hahahaha Queenie
And yes i think he will try and push her away again, that's what he does. I think he so frightened by her in so many ways that he'll definatly try. . . But more cause he feels he doesn't deserve her, or anything good for that matter.

As well as thinking he's undeserving, maybe he also thinks that if he allows himself to love her openly, he's destined to hurt her just like he did Cassie. He might love her enough to save her from that same fate. (I just noticed that I used the words "destined" and "fate") >> Another connection he might share with Christian.

When I read that Kate was going to "make her choice" or "choose a lover" however the writers want to put it, I was still very dubious. She has been cavorting around with the two of them for 2 months and she decides that when they all get captured its a great idea to finally decide which man she wants.

I'm convinced there is going to be more to it than that. That it will be part of some experiment by the others, for one end or another. Maybe she can decide one of them to be let go, or something along those lines, forcing her to decide which person she wants with her all the time, and which one she will allow to go backt o the group. I think this would be an interesting choice, because it still leaves her feelings relitively open. She may choose whoever she wants to stay with her because she can't bear to be without them in this horrible experience, or she may choose to let go the one she loves. Thus not really ending the triangle.

But then there are many problems with that, mainly all these Jack/juliet spoilers, unless he lets sawyer go, chooses jack who then finds himself liking another woman.

Apart from that I think the only other way for her to choose someone is if by some events, or something they witness, forces one of them to admit their true feelings for kate, or they are traumatised into it some how, if that makes any sense. Maybe the others tell kate that sawyer screwed ana, maybe kate is really upset and angry at sawyer (even though she has no reason too) and this forces sawyer to tell her why he did it, and makes him have to risk telling her how he feels rather than risk loosing her compleately. For some reason, I can imagine those two finally getting together as a result of a big arguement.

With the others, I just don't think that they mean the losties any real harm. My boyfriends brother is massively into lost theories and has been playing this lost experience thing where you get codes from certain websites and go to this website and it releases clips of film footage from what is apparently the original dharma video, featuring Alvar hanso, where basically it says Dharma was created after the cold war, where the US and Russia almost blew the crap out of each other the untied nation security council set up dharma after the leading mathmatician in the world predicted the time we would all destroy each other. His theory is that the island is like some kind of bizarre noah's ark, hence all the animal experiments, and the people on the island chosen to create the world over once it destroys itself. Thats why there is all the social experimentation, utopian living etc. He thinks the others are part of the original group, only the ones the experiments were being done on, they uprised and killed the scientists, creating their own society. As the video was dated from the mid 70's, many of the others would have been children at the time of the experimentation, which could explain why they are so...peculiar. So when the plane crashed, seemingly by accident, it totally freaked them out, they had a threat to their society.

Although this doesn't explain their perchance for taking babies etc, I thought parts of it were quite interesting...The video itself is totally insane, but the fragments have been created by the lost team apparently, so it can't be some crazed fan with too much time on their hands. he still hasn't got all the fragments yet so its not compleate. I'd post a link, but because its all done in flash, the web address just takes you to the home page and you need a password and username to watch it, and I don't know if he'd be too happy with me giving loads of people his password etc, but I'll ask him!

Lol, just realised that was all totally off topic, but thought it was interesting!

Man, I can't even remember the last time I posted on here. LOL It hasn't been that long but it feels like it. Every time I come on I am blown away by everyone's wonderful thoughts and I can't come up with anything to add. But, I can answer questions...hee. So, that's what I'll do.

As far as the riddle goes...

I think Jack will be in scrubs or some kind of medical observation area. I think Kate will be on the same drugs Claire was. And I think Sawyer will be behind bars. Like fricks said bars being a play on the word bar where Sawyer met Christian.


As for who I think Kate will choose...

It's hard to say at this point really. If she chooses Sawyer, I am afraid it will eventually fall apart when the Sana incident comes to light or when he pushes her away as he always does. With the whole Juliet spoiler, I really don't see her choosing Jack. I don't see the Juliet thing happening immediately, but I do think Jack will become drawn to her during the first 6 eps while in captivity, so I don't see Kate choosing him and him being drawn to Juliet at the same time. So, I'm gonna remain cautiously optimistic that she chooses Sawyer. Like has been said before, I hope she chooses him as her first choice and not because Jack is not willing or available.

Just an observation, about Josh's shirt choice for the party. I've been to hawaii several times, and his shirt is very fitting with the kinds of 'Hilo Hattie' style shirts people wear on the islands. Very colorful with vibrant designs, and 'busy' patterns. It may just be that when he's there, he likes to go with the tropical theme. And while I am not a fan of those kinds of shirts I can sort of understand why he might pick something that reflected local colour and show his happiness to be back 'home'.

Indonesian, I think.

Still in asia. :biggrin: i know a girl whose mother was born and raised in Indonesia and she is very protective. They have the slanted eyes but also have darker skin.

When I read that Kate was going to "make her choice" or "choose a lover" however the writers want to put it, I was still very dubious. She has been cavorting around with the two of them for 2 months and she decides that when they all get captured its a great idea to finally decide which man she wants.

I'm convinced there is going to be more to it than that. That it will be part of some experiment by the others, for one end or another. Maybe she can decide one of them to be let go, or something along those lines, forcing her to decide which person she wants with her all the time, and which one she will allow to go backt o the group. I think this would be an interesting choice, because it still leaves her feelings relitively open. She may choose whoever she wants to stay with her because she can't bear to be without them in this horrible experience, or she may choose to let go the one she loves. Thus not really ending the triangle.

this is along the same lines as i was thinking.

Rogue, I just watched your video to Forbidden Love and I think it is wonderful . :clap:

You don't make enought Kate and Sawyer videos.

I know why people are hating on Josh's shirt . You just want him to be nekkid.:Jumpy:

I didn't mind his shirt actually! Maybe its because Josh could wear a binliner and still look unbelievably hot! Plus that shade of purple's my favourite colour!

Yeah, that shirt was pretty crazy, but it wasnt all bad. :winkiss:

As well as thinking he's undeserving, maybe he also thinks that if he allows himself to love her openly, he's destined to hurt her just like he did Cassie. He might love her enough to save her from that same fate. (I just noticed that I used the words "destined" and "fate") >> Another connection he might share with Christian.

you know jomamaah that's a great point. He could push her away to save her from him in a sense too. You'd have to love someone alot to do that for them. I would just love him to allow himself to be happy, even if it's just for a little while so he can have a point of comparison. I think his life has been dark for a very long time. Be nice if he could let some light into it.. even if it's temporary.

I know why people are hating on Josh's shirt . You just want him to be nekkid.:Jumpy:

that's probably it a2m who dosen't? :biggrin:

and raven that is a fantastic theory.. it almost hurt my head to read all of that :lol: but great just the same

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? Does Kate choose Sawyer? Does she learn of the Sana incident? If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice?

What are your thoughts?

I just don't know anymore Darbi - reading way too many spoilers and thoughts on who Kate will choose I think! If Kate chooses in the 6th episode then maybe by that stage they'll have escaped from the Others anyway. I agree with other posts here too that if Sawyer pushes Kate away it will most likely be because he either can't accept that Kate could want him or he won't want to hurt her as he thinks he's capable of doing that.
I do think that even if Kate does choose Sawyer now, it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't bode well for them in the long run. I think a relationship probably wouldn't last for long at this stage but they could still hook up again eventually - am holding out hope that could happen anyway. :mushy:
100%
Just an observation, about Josh's shirt choice for the party. I've been to hawaii several times, and his shirt is very fitting with the kinds of 'Hilo Hattie' style shirts people wear on the islands. Very colorful with vibrant designs, and 'busy' patterns. It may just be that when he's there, he likes to go with the tropical theme. And while I am not a fan of those kinds of shirts I can sort of understand why he might pick something that reflected local colour and show his happiness to be back 'home'.

It does seem to reflect Hawaiin style, what I know of that anyway. I don't think it's that bad, but it wouldn't have been my choice either if I had a choice in it! He looks very well anyway regardless ;)

I know why people are hating on Josh's shirt . You just want him to be nekkid.:Jumpy:

Hee! You've seen right through us. :naughty: *snort* It's not that it's a bad shirt. It's just fugly! :pinch: Lol!
Purple is a nice color for him, though. :tongue1:

Rogue, I just watched your video to Forbidden Love and I think it is wonderful . :clap:

You don't make enought Kate and Sawyer videos.

I know why people are hating on Josh's shirt . You just want him to be nekkid.:Jumpy:

Aw thank you A2M, thats mighty sweet of you. Id be happy to make more vids when we get more skate. :D

I like his shirt. Not as hot as the black one, but I dont think its bad.

And in answer to the BIG question...

Who will Kate chose? My answer, There can be only one.

;)

Aw thank you A2M, thats mighty sweet of you. Id be happy to make more vids when we get more skate. :D

I like his shirt. Not as hot as the black one, but I dont think its bad.

And in answer to the BIG question...

Who will Kate chose? My answer, There can be only one.

;)

i'm coming aorund to liking the shirt too....
and that was a nice Highlander reference there Girlspy ;)
as if there is any doubt on that front :biggrin:

Good evening outkasts...

I'm so sorry I didn't make it in to post earlier, but I will catch up with Darbi's questions tomorrow, I promise. I have some of my own to pose to you all but I'll do that when my head isn't hitting the keyboard.

For you reading pleasure and so that our dear STH doesn't start to go through detox, here is Chapter 22

http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1264

Also, A2M, my dear, so good to see you out and about...anticipating October 4, I'm sure...miss you hon.

Good night all,
See you tomorrow,
Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Just an observation, about Josh's shirt choice for the party. I've been to hawaii several times, and his shirt is very fitting with the kinds of 'Hilo Hattie' style shirts people wear on the islands. Very colorful with vibrant designs, and 'busy' patterns. It may just be that when he's there, he likes to go with the tropical theme. And while I am not a fan of those kinds of shirts I can sort of understand why he might pick something that reflected local colour and show his happiness to be back 'home'.

You know I don't know what Josh did BEFORE he got to Hawaii...because the man's entire wardrobe seems to be made up of Hawaiin shirts and clothing appropriate for a beach party ;)

I know why people are hating on Josh's shirt . You just want him to be nekkid.

You mean if he took off his bad clothes he's be naked? hmm...that never really occured to me

:devil:

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Lisa, you get back here RIGHT NOW with Chapter 23! You just can't leave me hanging like this! :crybaby:

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

Jezebelle , I am watching your videos and they are A-frickin-mazing :clap: I'm also loving your song choices. :dj:

I hope everyone has read Chapter 33 of On the Road by Leah Kate. I don't have the link, but you better read it.

I was just so looking for that link to her writing...and can't find it! I'm dying here!

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Lisa, you get back here RIGHT NOW with Chapter 23! You just can't leave me hanging like this! :crybaby:

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

Well my dear STH, you're just gonna have to wait and see if he's still alive...you never know, I never said who was going to come out of the poker game alive, not to mention who might not make it back to the ranch alive...

I'll try to have Chapter 23 up real soon.

Jezebelle , I am watching your videos and they are A-frickin-mazing :clap: I'm also loving your song choices. :dj:

I hope everyone has read Chapter 33 of On the Road by Leah Kate. I don't have the link, but you better read it.

Aww thanks darlin, you are so sweet...I'm glad you like them...you know I love my country music....seems like just about every country song reminds me of these two.

I was just so looking for that link to her writing...and can't find it! I'm dying here!

Howdy Car88, so good to see you here...www.fanfiction.net (http://www.fanfiction.net) has it, but you have to search for it...it's excellent...I thought I was gonna ball my eyes out but it sure is good.

Whoo hoo Darbi, so glad to get back to good questions. Here are my answers.

What are everyone's thoughts on the first six episodes? I personally believe these epis are going to be full of intensity, not just action or angst or whatever, but being completely intense. I think it'll be a really wild ride.

Does Kate choose Sawyer? Oh like there's a question. Absolutely she will choose Sawyer. I have said from day one, ad nauseum, that she will definately choose Sawyer, but that DOES NOT mean it's going to be a running through the clover with open arms love.

Does she learn of the Sana incident? Well Josh said she would and it would have an effect and he also said that Sawyer doens't want her to know. So I think the real question is what will happen when she finds out.

If Sawyer is Kate's choice, does he accept this, or does he push her away due to his guilt over Ana Lucia and possibly yet to be revealed scenarios? Again, Josh has said, "he's Sawyer so he'll screw it up." I think it'll be interesting to see what he does. I'm not sure if he'll push her away strictly because of the situation with Ana. If he does push her away, which I think initially he may very well do, he'll do it because the bottom line is that he has an innate desire to screw everything up, which stems back to the fact that he blames himself for everything and he believes he doesn't believe he should have anything.

Does Kate choose Jack, and why? Absolutely not, the woman't not stupid.

Will the "Others" set up a scenario the precipitate Kate making a choice? I think they may but not necessarily realize they did. I think something will happen that will make her go to Sawyer, but not necessarily a controlled experiment. At least, I certainly hope it's not. To me that would seem silly.

So let's see what else we can come up with here. Let's hear everyone's answers. Raise your hand if you think it's gonna be SKATE all the way...I certainly do....we have too much evidence to believe the contrary.

Hugg y'all,
Lisa

I have most of the chapters printed out even, thanks so much! I'll get right back where I left off. It's the best. Thanks again Lisa! Good to be able to stick my head in.

Ah, the search feature to the rescue - for those - a short cut
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/806287/

I was just so looking for that link to her writing...and can't find it! I'm dying here!

Here's the link for Leah Kate's OTR on the kateandsawyer website:

http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1373&i=1

Enjoy! Her latest chapters are as fantastic as they always are ;)

Lisa, I just started reading your latest chapter but am so tired I'll have to continue it tomorrow... can't believe I can tear myself away, but I just have to - :sleep: beckons... I already love the start of it though, I think I know where you may be going with Kate's current illness on the island too... I'll just have to wait & see though...

Hey, where is everybody here lately? Seems to be much quieter than usual, I'm missing everyone!

I'm here, MSF. It's just that Lisa--and Chapter 23--AREN'T. And that's what I really want to see posted here! :crybaby:

I'm here, MSF. It's just that Lisa--and Chapter 23--AREN'T. And that's what I really want to see posted here! :crybaby:

Yes STH, Chapter 22 is very good & left us all on a cliffhanger - I'm sure Lisa is working on the next one though, I think she knows not to keep you in suspense for too long ;) :biggrin:

As Lisa is a Skater, of course I have to believe there is a happy ending for James & Kate in Kate's dream AND on the Island, too! But it's the WAITING that I can't stand!

BTW, Lisa, are we any closer to finding out what's wrong with Island Kate? Hummmm?

Hi! Long time no see!

My very dear STH, I can't believe you haven't figured it out...

And yes, Chapter 23 is on it's way. And we will find out IF James is alive...question is, is he?

I'll get it up soon...

Huggs,
Lisa


P.S. Oh come on, y'all didn't really think I was gonna kill him off did you...I can't even stand to think of losing him on the show, much less in a story.

My very dear STH, I can't believe you haven't figured it out...
Oh, I think I have, Lisa, but I didn't wanna spoil it for everyone else! :grin:

James let Grady think he'd killed him, so he'd rue the day he came up with the kidnapping scheme, and spend the rest of his days running as a "fugitive murderer," right? And James and Kate live happily ever after on the Texas ranch! :clap:

Still wanna actually READ it, though! :book:

Oh, I think I have, Lisa, but I didn't wanna spoil it for everyone else! :grin:

James let Grady think he'd killed him, so he'd rue the day he came up with the kidnapping scheme, and spend the rest of his days running as a "fugitive murderer," right? And James and Kate live happily ever after on the Texas ranch! :clap:

Still wanna actually READ it, though! :book:

Actually darlin, you're about 33% right, but that's good thinkin...The UK board is having some problems right now so I can't add a new chapter until they get that resolved.

But once they do I'll post it.

Here's a new video for everyone, I finished this last night...enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAYjmbH4hg

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Actually darlin, you're about 33% right, but that's good thinkin...The UK board is having some problems right now so I can't add a new chapter until they get that resolved.

But once they do I'll post it.

Here's a new video for everyone, I finished this last night...enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAYjmbH4hg

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Lisa: I tried to post Chapter Six on the UK site this morning and everything took but the text of the chapter.

Here is what they have posted on the Home page:

"Story - Chapter Upload - Vanessa - 19.08.06 - 06:39PM
I am aware of the issue with the upload of new files. It is not working at the moment, I do not know what the problem is but I am looking into it.
Please ignore the file called test, it is what it says, just a test story to check the site's settings."

So I have a chapter there with no text, just an FYI to any readers.:mad:

Let's hope they can fix it! I am going to cheer myself up by watching the new video.:redface:

Hi Lisa,

Your video did my heart good. We switched from satelite to cable TV and in doing so, I lost all of season two. Seeing Sawyer again was nice.

Oh, and I noticed the "tossing the banana" scene in there. Gotta love those tent-pegs....

Here is some interesting spoiler stuff passed on from get-lost at lost-forum:

More evidence of Foxy filming out of order scenes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/251179.html?#cutid1)

Note the caption: 'Lost' star Matthew Fox heads back to his trailer to dry off after a long day's filming in Hawaii. The actor arrived on set at 8am in the morning and was one of the last to leave at 8pm in the evening. The 40-year-old star - who plays Dr Jack Shephard on the show - was shooting an episode for the third season of the show that centers entirely around his character. After filming a flashback sequence earlier in the week Fox spent three days at the top-secret studio filming action sequences with a nail biting finale. Also in the scene - which involved a lot of water - was the show's latest character Elizabeth Mitchell, who gets to grips with Fox in the episode.

I am finding this more and more interesting. It probably doesn't guarantee us skateness or a confirmation that Kate will choose Sawyer over Jack, but it does open up the possibility that Jack is going to be more than occupied with other concerns/Juliet by the end of this mini arc.

Any thoughts?

I enjoyed watching your new vid too Lisa - need to see all those great Skate moments from time to time, not that I can ever forget them ;)
Hey too Losttvfan - have missed you around lately, will check up the UK site for your next chapter soon too :)
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Here is some interesting spoiler stuff passed on from get-lost at lost-forum:

More evidence of Foxy filming out of order scenes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/251179.html?#cutid1)

Note the caption: 'Lost' star Matthew Fox heads back to his trailer to dry off after a long day's filming in Hawaii. The actor arrived on set at 8am in the morning and was one of the last to leave at 8pm in the evening. The 40-year-old star - who plays Dr Jack Shephard on the show - was shooting an episode for the third season of the show that centers entirely around his character. After filming a flashback sequence earlier in the week Fox spent three days at the top-secret studio filming action sequences with a nail biting finale. Also in the scene - which involved a lot of water - was the show's latest character Elizabeth Mitchell, who gets to grips with Fox in the episode.

I am finding this more and more interesting. It probably doesn't guarantee us skateness or a confirmation that Kate will choose Sawyer over Jack, but it does open up the possibility that Jack is going to be more than occupied with other concerns/Juliet by the end of this mini arc.

Any thoughts?

OOOOOH, this is sounding better than ever for the possibility of Skate Zoriah - I know there are no guarantees, we can't really believe anything 'til we see it, but I'm liking the sound of this more & more too - is so hard not to get too excited by it - how am I gonna survive 'til next season?? It probably won't air here til early next year. I think I'll start downloading the episodes, that way I'll know exactly what the rest of you are all talking about. I just hope that Jack getting together with Juliet doesn't mean that Kate suddenly finds a jealous streak in her nature. She just has to cop on and realise that Sawyer is the one truly there for her!

The UK board is having some problems right now so I can't add a new chapter until they get that resolved.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! :frown:

Computers--can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em!

Pass the sledgehammer, please! (j/k)

Color me stupid, but what exactly does this phrase mean?

. . . Elizabeth Mitchell, who gets to grips with Fox in the episode.

She probably kicks his butt like Ana did Sawyer and then they make up?

Oh, and welcome Myha, glad you made it safe!

Have you guys posted this spoiler yet:

http://dryrope.livejournal.com/251179.html#cutid1



Read the caption. Looks like Matthew Fox will get the cliffhanger Ep.6, they are doing it early cause he is going off to do a movie. The caption says he's in a 'grip' with new cast member Elizabeth Mitchell...I think they are playing on words and Jack and Juliet will be in a very dangerous situation and very, very close to each other. There is no way to spin this as Kate picking Jack. Kate is clearly with Sawyer (to me anyway) and after ep. 6 when Jack is gone or with the Others for awhile, we are going to see Kate and Sawyer acting like a couple. The flashback with Sarah has to do with Jack's feelings for Juliet.

Kate at this point must have already chosen Sawyer. So we'll see there story early on in the mini-arc, and Jacket's story probably in the last 2 episodes. And I don't think that Sawyer is a second choice - remember the article that just came out that said both men will be competing for Kate's affections. Jack is still very much about Kate in the beginning of the arc...something happens to push Jack to Juliet....and that something is Sawyer.

Just be wary of reading so much into those spoilers. It's a long drop if it doesn't happen the way we all want it too. I am so excited for this season to start.


I'd like to share with my fellow SKaters, and anyone else who might find this a guidance - http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1134311&postcount=509

PLEASE - read. This pertains to us all no matter who we are a fan of. Thanks.(from an old Skater and jeeze I'm just tired of it too)


Charmqn - sorry you stepped in the middle there hon, the spoilers are such a distraction. Just have been down that road too much. It is fun to speculate though. Just hate for anyone to ride in the front seat of that coaster and be the first to see the ground coming. Ya know ;) and my apologies for spelling your name wrong! Jeeze, I am getting old.

Always the voice of reason, Car88win. I have been guilty of overanalysing, overspeculating and getting caught up in wanting Skate so badly that I get disappointed when it doesn't pan out to my expectations. However, I do think it's natural to get excited about spoilers and hope for the best, or conversely find spoilers disheartening and get a bit frustrated.
As long as we remain cautiously optimistic and don't assume anything is written in stone (because those writers are a wily bunch, aren't they?) we should be well prepared for what might come, either way.

There are compelling reasons why Kate might choose either man. That is the point of a triangle. Each man has something to offer her, be it respectability, or acceptance; stability and commitment or excitement and passion. I think that no matter what happens it's going to be a tough choice for her. And it won't be the final word on the subject either.

:kiss: :biggrin: So yeah, right now we are getting some positive spoilers, but until it hits the screen, anything could happen, and what we expect may not be what the writers had in mind. And that's okay. Perhaps they'll exceed our expectations. :6:

We all have done it. We're all guilty of it at one time or another. It's going to happen. I just remember when we first started this ship and what we all went through as a whole. Jaters and Skaters and Charle/Claire shippers. Everyone. It's hard. But that is part of why we watch. I just want us to keep everything in perspective and be fair to those around us no matter what they may be backing, that everyone is on one big Lost ship and the seas get rough at times. It's no man overboard though.

Now, someone make up one of those wonderful question and answer things that we do so well ! Pronto, I've been away too long and going through SKate withdrawls!

gets to grips = caught in a net? :71:

Perhaps
Juliet is a renegade Other, and she offers to help James & Kate to escape if Jack will stay and join her fellow rebels? Hey--it works for "Star Wars" type movies and TV! :laughing:

Lots of spoilers. Lots of foilers. I especially :rolleyes: at the one where
James is negotiating with Fenry for his freedom.
It certainly appears to be leaning toward a Skate resolution, though, doesn't it? Of course, that could just be what the LOST honchos want us to think. . . .

Can't we just fast forward to October 4? Pul-eeeeese?

gets to grips = caught in a net? :71:

Perhaps
Juliet is a renegade Other, and she offers to help James & Kate to escape if Jack will stay and join her fellow rebels? Hey--it works for "Star Wars" type movies and TV! :laughing:
I so hadn't thought of that. Too funny and with all the other Star Wars references it would fit.

Can't come soon enough Save, not soon enough :drowsy:

Have you guys posted this spoiler yet:

http://dryrope.livejournal.com/251179.html#cutid1



Read the caption. Looks like Matthew Fox will get the cliffhanger Ep.6, they are doing it early cause he is going off to do a movie. The caption says he's in a 'grip' with new cast member Elizabeth Mitchell...I think they are playing on words and Jack and Juliet will be in a very dangerous situation and very, very close to each other. There is no way to spin this as Kate picking Jack. Kate is clearly with Sawyer (to me anyway) and after ep. 6 when Jack is gone or with the Others for awhile, we are going to see Kate and Sawyer acting like a couple. The flashback with Sarah has to do with Jack's feelings for Juliet.

Kate at this point must have already chosen Sawyer. So we'll see there story early on in the mini-arc, and Jacket's story probably in the last 2 episodes. And I don't think that Sawyer is a second choice - remember the article that just came out that said both men will be competing for Kate's affections. Jack is still very much about Kate in the beginning of the arc...something happens to push Jack to Juliet....and that something is Sawyer.

:redface: Is this a photo, because the link doesn't work.. I would be really interested to see the source. This spoiler is the answer to a lot of Skate dreams (speaks to self: calm yourself girl).

Hi everyone! LostTVFan is my 'pusher!' And here I am!

Hi everyone! LostTVFan is my 'pusher!' And here I am!

LottaMoxie: :wub: Damn glad to see you girl. Welcome to our world. Best place for Kate and Sawyer talk on the internet and you used your signature name...it will fit here well!

:Welcome:

Thanks, doll!

I have posted on the 'fuse last year on the linear board under a different name but haven't been around in many, many months. Happy to join in the party here. I'm ready for all the Sawyer-lovin' my pervy little heart can handle. Growwwwwl!

Is this a photo, because the link doesn't work.. I would be really interested to see the source. This spoiler is the answer to a lot of Skate dreams (speaks to self: calm yourself girl).

Actually I posted the same link the a page or two back, here it is again:

More evidence of Foxy filming out of order scenes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/251179.html?#cutid1)

As for the 'comes to grips' phrase, it could mean anything really. From comes to understand what drives him, to grapples physically with (either in a sexual or murderous way), to clinging to him (due to one of them being in jeopardy - think falling from a great height, or trying not to drown in the water - if the spoiler being about an action packed and nailbiting finale is true). ;)

Actually I posted the same link the a page or two back, here it is again:

More evidence of Foxy filming out of order scenes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/251179.html?#cutid1)

As for the 'comes to grips' phrase, it could mean anything really. From comes to understand what drives him, to grapples physically with (either in a sexual or murderous way), to clinging to him (due to one of them being in jeopardy - think falling from a great height, or trying not to drown in the water - if the spoiler being about an action packed and nailbiting finale is true). ;)

While I don't think it has to do with him and what some think he might leave the show, I do think it might be because they want him to look a certain way. Maybe younger, so film it all now and get it over with? or he just needs that schedule - he is doing other projects I read somewheres.

losttvfan, did you post a new chapter of Obessions and Fantasies?

Hi Lisa,

Your video did my heart good. We switched from satelite to cable TV and in doing so, I lost all of season two. Seeing Sawyer again was nice.

Oh, and I noticed the "tossing the banana" scene in there. Gotta love those tent-pegs....

Heehehehehe, love that strategically placed fense post.

Color me stupid, but what exactly does this phrase mean?

. . . Elizabeth Mitchell, who gets to grips with Fox in the episode.

that's a good question, I can't figure that either.


:party: Welcome LottaMoxie:party:

Glad to see you here...welcome to the land of psychological discussion and Kate and Sawyer introspection and general we love SKATE-ness...

Okay folks, lets just think of things along these lines maybe for a little bit...

We all believe and hope that it's going to be Kate and Sawyer, and I'll go to my grave believing that...but even though we believe it, that doesn't mean it's going to be that way forever...and it also doesn't mean that if it's not Kate and Sawyer that it will stay that way either...

What it does mean is that whatever happens to turn out of Kate and Sawyer's relationship, it will be messy, fiesty, mean, nasty and generally wonderful...Love is not easy, y'all, specifically for these two.

So take heart my dear Skaters and when it happens you can all say that you kept the faith, and if by some tremedously unheard of chance that it doesn't happen, you can blame me for keeping the faith...so it works either way.

They are working on the UK board and will get Chapter 23 up asap.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

losttvfan, did you post a new chapter of Obessions and Fantasies?

:redface: Darbi: Yes, I finished it last night, but the UK site has been down all day...new chapters won't post for anyone. Their home page says they are aware of it and working to correct it. I am so glad you are looking forward to reading it! I really worked hard on this one - LOL

:mad: So Chapter Six is ready and I hope to get it posted tomorrow.

Okay folks, lets just think of things along these lines maybe for a little bit...

We all believe and hope that it's going to be Kate and Sawyer, and I'll go to my grave believing that...but even though we believe it, that doesn't mean it's going to be that way forever...and it also doesn't mean that if it's not Kate and Sawyer that it will stay that way either...

What it does mean is that whatever happens to turn out of Kate and Sawyer's relationship, it will be messy, fiesty, mean, nasty and generally wonderful...Love is not easy, y'all, specifically for these two.

losttvfan, looking forward to it. ;)

So take heart my dear Skaters and when it happens you can all say that you kept the faith, and if by some tremedously unheard of chance that it doesn't happen, you can blame me for keeping the faith...so it works either way.



It also doesn't mean that if things go bad, which with these two it's inevitable, they'll stay that way. Bless their poor, complicated, hopelessly devoted souls.

Personally I don't care how, when or why they get together, as long as they GET TOGETHER! Put those two in a room together...or in the jungle together...and watch the sparks fly. Chemistry like this cannot be denied....should not be denied...and I don't care what the writers throw their way. These two actors sizzle, will continue to sizzle, and their chemistry, like the laws of gravity, can be bent, but can never, ever be broken.

Everything about this show is a mystery. I have a feeling that everybody's gonna be thrown for a loop this October. TPTB are not predictable! In whatever they're planning, I don't think it'll be to lose half of their audience.

Everything about this show is a mystery. I have a feeling that everybody's gonna be thrown for a loop this October. TPTB are not predictable! In whatever they're planning, I don't think it'll be to lose half of their audience.

I would hope that half their audience either way isn't that shallow. But mayhaps you're right.

Truth be told, I'm ready to be thrown for a loop. As long as it makes sense down the story pipeline, and not done just because the writers thought it would be cool...then I'm all for it.

It also doesn't mean that if things go bad, which with these two it's inevitable, they'll stay that way. Bless their poor, complicated, hopelessly devoted souls.

Absolutely, you are so right Darbi...even Josh has said that Sawyer will mess it up because that's his nature, but surprise, we know that, so let's just hang on and enjoy the wild ride they're gonna give us.

I would hope that half their audience either way isn't that shallow. But mayhaps you're right.

Truth be told, I'm ready to be thrown for a loop. As long as it makes sense down the story pipeline, and not done just because the writers thought it would be cool...then I'm all for it.

I agree Darbi, I don't think the audience is that shallow, and to be quite honest, even the fans of the show who don't particularly like Sawyer still watch the show because the love to hate him...and IF there was no Kate and Sawyer I would still watch the show because I love Sawyer, and for the most part I like Jack. I just don't see any makings of anything between Jack and Kate, but there again that doesn't mean anything either...

Like I said the only thing we are certain of is that we're certain of absolutely nothing...we all have our speculations and beliefs and I'm going to go with mine and what I can see...and I know what that is. However I am prepared for the possiblility, no matter how remote I think it is, that it may not be Kate and Sawyer...but again, I'm going to keep believing that it will be.

So, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Huggs everyone,
Lisa ;)

Absolutely, you are so right Darbi...even Josh has said that Sawyer will mess it up because that's his nature, but surprise, we know that, so let's just hang on and enjoy the wild ride they're gonna give us.

If these two indeed become a couple at some point this season, and Sawyer being Sawyer screws things up...I can not wait to see how he tries to make amends with Kate. The potential for hilarity as he bumbles through his efforts is endless.



I agree Darbi, I don't think the audience is that shallow, and to be quite honest, even the fans of the show who don't particularly like Sawyer still watch the show because the love to hate him...and IF there was no Kate and Sawyer I would still watch the show because I love Sawyer, and for the most part I like Jack. I just don't see any makings of anything between Jack and Kate, but there again that doesn't mean anything either...

Oh, the love to hate factor with Sawyer has always been one of the best things about his character. Heck, I'm a fan of the guy, and I still love to hate him a good portion of the time. :biggrin: He can be a real S.O.B...but then turn around and do something so uncharacteristically sweet, you can't help but like the turd. :laughing:

Like I said the only thing we are certain of is that we're certain of absolutely nothing...we all have our speculations and beliefs and I'm going to go with mine and what I can see...and I know what that is. However I am prepared for the possiblility, no matter how remote I think it is, that it may not be Kate and Sawyer...but again, I'm going to keep believing that it will be.

So, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Huggs everyone,
Lisa ;)

And I'm absolutely certain that I'm certain of nothing when it comes to this show. :msn-wink:

However, in regards to S/K...Josh and Evi have always brought more to their scenes than what I imagine the writers had intended. I see no sound, logical reason why they wouldn't continue to utilize that chemistry for everything it's worth. To date, it's worth plenty.

They are working on the UK board and will get Chapter 23 up asap.
:clap:

I have a feeling that everybody's gonna be thrown for a loop this October.
That's a given, Joe! :D

Death, taxes, and the LOST honchos throwing us for a loop! :71:

Damn i go away for a bit and this is what i see... once again on spoiler overload teeheee gotta love it.

And i with Lisa and everyone else in keeping the faith and remaining cautiously optimisitc about S/K. This reltionship, when it happens, cause we know it will ;) is gonna be facsinating to watch unfold, with all it's ups and downs. It'll make for great drama. I'm gonna go the way i always went with my Sox, hope for the best and expect the worst, and well look what happened with them :biggrin:

now i gotta go back and watch that vid teehee :biggrin:

Darbi[/B];1134632]However, in regards to S/K...Josh and Evi have always brought more to their scenes than what I imagine the writers had intended. I see no sound, logical reason why they wouldn't continue to utilize that chemistry for everything it's worth. To date, it's worth plenty.

:shesaid:

OK, here is the thing I can help but keep coming back to and hanging my hopes on. If, as we have read and been told, TPTB intended Ana Lucia as a love interest for Jack, then they were going toward Skate even back in S2. The early part of that season, Sawyer’s return, Kate’s obvious concern, the way she took care of him, Sawyer telling Jack he “loved her”, and the haircut scene all were leading up to putting these two together as a couple. When the Ana Lucia thing fell apart (for whatever reason) the season made a sharp turn. Suddenly we have Kate and Jack in the net, when there had not been a warm moment between them for quite some time, and TPTB throwing Ana Lucia at Sawyer, two people who had never share a decent conversation (which I still resent).

The spoilers we are reading indicate another attempt to pair Jack up with someone and there can be only one reason to do that….giving Jack a new love interest clears the way for Skate and does it gracefully.

Darbi, I agree that all of these spoilers may be misdirection and they could throw us a curve, I am however, optimistic for S3. Whatever happens, we all know any relationship between Sawyer and Kate will never be easy --no fairytale for those two -- but it will be compelling and great TV. Those two light up the screen and if the writers decide to waste that kind of chemistry it would certainly be a shame.

Gonna see if this works. Sorry Outkasters, I have been having some problems getting on the fuse lately. When Im on my comp at work I keep getting booted out :p. Anyway....

Welcome LottaMoxie :D. Very happy to have you. I will add your name to the member list as soon as I can.

Personally I don't care how, when or why they get together, as long as they GET TOGETHER! Put those two in a room together...or in the jungle together...and watch the sparks fly. Chemistry like this cannot be denied....should not be denied...and I don't care what the writers throw their way. These two actors sizzle, will continue to sizzle, and their chemistry, like the laws of gravity, can be bent, but can never, ever be broken.

Thats how I feel too, lol. I think no matter what, whether they are fighting, cracking jokes, or making up ;), the Skates gonna be good. Im not worried about that. And I know, as well as anyone to take these spoilers with a grain of salt. So like most Skaters have said, gonna stay cautiously optimistic. :)

:shesaid:

OK, here is the thing I can help but keep coming back to and hanging my hopes on. If, as we have read and been told, TPTB intended Ana Lucia as a love interest for Jack, then they were going toward Skate even back in S2. The early part of that season, Sawyer’s return, Kate’s obvious concern, the way she took care of him, Sawyer telling Jack he “loved her”, and the haircut scene all were leading up to putting these two together as a couple. When the Ana Lucia thing fell apart (for whatever reason) the season made a sharp turn. Suddenly we have Kate and Jack in the net, when there had not been a warm moment between them for quite some time, and TPTB throwing Ana Lucia at Sawyer, two people who had never share a decent conversation (which I still resent).

Wasn't that whole scenario just...random? :laughing: Between the "caught in the net" and wild (yet sexy...gotta give it to them) rumble in the jungle scene, they screamed: SET UP!!!!!

The spoilers we are reading indicate another attempt to pair Jack up with someone and there can be only one reason to do that….giving Jack a new love interest clears the way for Skate and does it gracefully.

And it should be done gracefully, you know? I wish Jack no ill-will, heroes have needs too. And let's face it, Jack is due to release some tension. I fear if that brother doesn't get laid, fondled appropriately, something like soon...every person on that island is in greater mortal danger than they are from that monster uprooting trees in the jungle. :biggrin:

Darbi, I agree that all of these spoilers may be misdirection and they could throw us a curve, I am however, optimistic for S3. Whatever happens, we all know any relationship between Sawyer and Kate will never be easy --no fairytale for those two -- but it will be compelling and great TV. Those two light up the screen and if the writers decide to waste that kind of chemistry it would certainly be a shame.

Yes, it certainly would be, and yes they truly do.

You're right, no fairytale romance for these two. Personally, I would be offended if they went all soft on us. Sweet moments thrown in with what they do best...give great drama and all that entails.

No Lisa yet, huh? :down:

NONE of these speculations (Skate, Jack's love life, et al) will happen until it is, or is past, October 4!

My calendar says it is August 21.

Someone tell me my calendar is an Other, and lying! :crybaby:


Anyone think that Kate and James will have any time together in Eppy 1?

Anyone think that Kate and James will have any time together in Eppy 1?
At the DVD premier, Evie said that she had filmed scenes with Josh for the first episode.

At the DVD premier, Evie said that she had filmed scenes with Josh for the first episode.

She also said she had filmed with Michael Emerson already too. Josh said that what they do to Sawyer they do right away and made it sound like the scenes had been intense to film. Oct. 4th where are you?!?!?

My calendar says it is August 21.

Someone tell me my calendar is an Other, and lying! :crybaby:


mine says the same thing STH that simply will not do..

yes where is Oct 4 i agree with you guys.. i want the new season now :taz:

Wasn't that whole scenario just...random? :laughing: Between the "caught in the net" and wild (yet sexy...gotta give it to them) rumble in the jungle scene, they screamed: SET UP!!!!!


sure did, might as well have written Skate all over that :biggrin: Angst here we come!!
And i sure as hell don't want it to be easy for them, that wouldn't be any fun, and it wouldn't be them..

and yes i have to admit the Sana rumble was hot, well any scene involving his shirt getting ripped off is hot to me anyways :naughty:

She also said she had filmed with Michael Emerson already too. Josh said that what they do to Sawyer they do right away and made it sound like the scenes had been intense to film

ok just don't hurt him too much ok? :eek2: not sure if i could deal with that all over again, unless of course Kate takes care of him again. :biggrin:

And it should be done gracefully, you know? I wish Jack no ill-will, heroes have needs too. And let's face it, Jack is due to release some tension. I fear if that brother doesn't get laid, fondled appropriately, something like soon...every person on that island is in greater mortal danger than they are from that monster uprooting trees in the jungle. :biggrin:


:biglaugh: omg Darbi so true, we need to get Jack a women quick... poor guy needs something soon, for the sake of everyone there. And you said i have no ill will toward him myself, i wish him all the best..

At the DVD premier, Evie said that she had filmed scenes with Josh for the first episode.
:clap:

She also said she had filmed with Michael Emerson already too. Josh said that what they do to Sawyer they do right away and made it sound like the scenes had been intense to film. Oct. 4th where are you?!?!?
Oh, no! :eek:

Sometimes I wish that James wasn't the Island's poster child for getting badly hurt. :crybaby:

Are we sure that the above quotes shouldn't be spoiler-fonted?

Sounds like Emerson got to jump right into the fray, doesn't it? Bet he doesn't mind at all! :no2:

Damn i go away for a bit and this is what i see... once again on spoiler overload teeheee gotta love it.

And i with Lisa and everyone else in keeping the faith and remaining cautiously optimisitc about S/K. This reltionship, when it happens, cause we know it will ;) is gonna be facsinating to watch unfold, with all it's ups and downs. It'll make for great drama. I'm gonna go the way i always went with my Sox, hope for the best and expect the worst, and well look what happened with them :biggrin:


Excuse my ignorance Fricksgurl, but what did happen with the Sox? I presume the outcome was good for them :renske:?? Not being from the U.S. I'm not familiar with these things, sorry to say...
I totally agree with you too that a relationship between S & K will make for great drama. But I was thinking about this recently - if Jack and Kate get together instead, as long as Sawyer is still around, we'll still get great drama from his interactions with Kate - they are so good on screen together that even if TPTB want Jate to happen, they can't take away the great chemistry between Skate anyway. I know we won't be happy here if we don't have any more Skate, I'm just trying to see the best side of it if we have to suffer Jate.

While I do tend to get frustrated at the triangle continually being drawn out, and wish fervently for some kind of resolution (even if it is just temporary), you have to admit that overall the writers have done an amazing job at get us all to care about the outcome so strongly.

There were things I thought they did clunkily or in a contrived fashion last season (you know which parts I am referring to), but I chalk that up to having to scramble to redirect the show and the romance parts of it once it was decided to write out Ana and Libby. It was pretty obvious that latter parts of the season seemed more rushed, painted in broader strokes, or A goes to B and then fits into C. Sadly, the fulfillment of the romantic aspects of Lost was postponed, as openly acknowledged by TPTB. Let's hope they can get things back on track, but not at the expense of the larger story.

Okay a question for us that doesn't need a bunch of spoiler fonting:

Many people assume that Sawyer is the kind of guy who is out for a quick shag any way he can get it. But is he really? Whatever others think of him Sawyer was a finesse man with the ladies. No doubt he was able to cater to their needs and keep them pleased, which of course means he wouldn't have been slutting around on them, or unable to control his own urges.

So why do people think that when Kate was getting close to him after he nearly died that was his chance to pounce, and by not doing so, that was the last opportunity for Skate? It would seem that assumption would be based on the idea that Sawyer only wants hot sex from Kate. For me though, it further proves that Sawyer has real feelings for Kate, and doesn't want to risk making advances if she really does dig Jack and is upset at being shunned by him. I think it shows a lot of respect for her that he didn't try to take advantage of her when it was obvious she was paying him a lot more attention, and hanging out with him not Jack.

So for me, he was uncertain of why she was suddenly all over him again and wondering if it was still all about Jack, and at the same time, with him falling in love...well, he was a bit scared of laying his cards on the table just yet too. What do you think?

Not completely unrelated, but not necessarily on topic either: Kate's flirted with Jack, told him it was okay if he checked her out. She's flirted with Sawyer shamelessly at times, darn near molded herself to him when he returned. If things continue the way they have, I can see her finally yelling in frustrated, hormone induced fit at both of them saying: "Idiots!!! What does a woman have to do to get you two morons to see she just needs to get laid?!"

:laughing:

Or maybe that's just what I'd say. :blush:


Anywho...

Zoriah, I can't really say why some want to believe sex is all Sawyer wants from Kate, when we've seen evidence to the contrary of how deep his feelings for Kate go.

Besides the 'THP', 'WKD', the end of 'S.O.S' and his relief at realizing that Jack and Kate literally got caught in a net together, the one scene that really summed up how fearful Sawyer is about his feelings for Kate was in 'F + W' when he's playing cards with Hurley. I can't recall the dialogue verbatim, but he mentions something about knowing when to hold, fold or risk going bust...I think part of that conversation was regarding relationships. Something was off. Yes, Kate was spending a great deal of time with him. Very open, happy and relaxed in front of everyone, but he'd have to be the most clueless person in the world not to notice things were more than the run of the mill "off" between Jack and Kate. Given his own insecurities, and his insecurities about Kate and her attraction to Jack...risking the hurt (not like he avoided it) was more than he was willing to do.

Yes, I do find it interesting that some fans paint Kate as a woman who is perhaps a bit more pure and virtuous than she really is. She kissed her childhood friend who was happily married with kids, and wanted more. She conned Jason into robbing the bank with her, and he doesn't look like the kind of guy who would have been happy with just some french kissing, I think it was pretty obvious that she was his 'lover' when they liplocked during the robbery. As you say, she's flirted with both Jack (who did not do much back, silly boy) and quite overtly with Sawyer on occasion. There is no reason to believe she is the kinda gal who wants to wait until marriage or declarations of undying love. However, that said, I do think she is trying to guard her heart and would not just sleep around to relieve any inner urges.

Funny how we both brought up the poker/card analogy. I think that really fits with Sawyer. I am reminded of that Kenny Rogers song, such a classic. But yeah, he is not stupid, he knew Kate was on the outs with Jack, and doubted whether Kate really wanted to be with him for himself. In fact, in his mind, he's always the second choice, or the default, and thus leering of revealing his true feelings in case Jack crooked his finger again. Which he did. And Kate scrambled to follow him, and Sawyer was vindicated in his thoughts that Kate still is hung up on Jack. Poor boy. *hugs him*

Yes, I do find it interesting that some fans paint Kate as a woman who is perhaps a bit more pure and virtuous than she really is. She kissed her childhood friend who was happily married with kids, and wanted more. She conned Jason into robbing the bank with her, and he doesn't look like the kind of guy who would have been happy with just some french kissing, I think it was pretty obvious that she was his 'lover' when they liplocked during the robbery. As you say, she's flirted with both Jack (who did not do much back, silly boy) and quite overtly with Sawyer on occasion. There is no reason to believe she is the kinda gal who wants to wait until marriage or declarations of undying love. However, that said, I do think she is trying to guard her heart and would not just sleep around to relieve any inner urges.Nicely put Z.

Come & get it! take with grains of salt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRVrl1z2paQ

Haha hilarious. Well time will tell if he was legit or not. I guess once announcements for episode 5 and 6 are made we will know for sure.

Sadly, as much as it would be great if these were true, most likely it's just another fan looking for their 5 mins of fame. That said, it was presented well, and had a ring of plausibility to it, until you realise that the only way he could get access to this info was to know or have access to someone who has close ties to JJ Abrams or Damon Lindelof (if he knew them personally he would not have shown his face, duh)- because some of that info sounds like stuff which would from the Lost 'Bible' or master plan - which is presumably rather a guarded secret.

So, my guess is an entertaining foiler, but nice speculation.

While I do tend to get frustrated at the triangle continually being drawn out, and wish fervently for some kind of resolution (even if it is just temporary), you have to admit that overall the writers have done an amazing job at get us all to care about the outcome so strongly.

There were things I thought they did clunkily or in a contrived fashion last season (you know which parts I am referring to), but I chalk that up to having to scramble to redirect the show and the romance parts of it once it was decided to write out Ana and Libby. It was pretty obvious that latter parts of the season seemed more rushed, painted in broader strokes, or A goes to B and then fits into C. Sadly, the fulfillment of the romantic aspects of Lost was postponed, as openly acknowledged by TPTB. Let's hope they can get things back on track, but not at the expense of the larger story.

Once again Z, wow. Couldnt agree more on your post and you put so eloquently into words much of what I and Im sure many other skaters, have been thinking this whole time.

Many people assume that Sawyer is the kind of guy who is out for a quick shag any way he can get it. But is he really? Whatever others think of him Sawyer was a finesse man with the ladies. No doubt he was able to cater to their needs and keep them pleased, which of course means he wouldn't have been slutting around on them, or unable to control his own urges.

So why do people think that when Kate was getting close to him after he nearly died that was his chance to pounce, and by not doing so, that was the last opportunity for Skate? It would seem that assumption would be based on the idea that Sawyer only wants hot sex from Kate. For me though, it further proves that Sawyer has real feelings for Kate, and doesn't want to risk making advances if she really does dig Jack and is upset at being shunned by him. I think it shows a lot of respect for her that he didn't try to take advantage of her when it was obvious she was paying him a lot more attention, and hanging out with him not Jack.

I think those people that assume that Sawyer is just in it for the sex havent bothered to look much farther than the books cover. And not to say Sawyer doesnt like sex, Im sure he does and Im sure he's very good at it. However, this does not mean he only wants Kate for sex. Look at the plethora of women on the island. Sawyer could have had a different one every day. He hasnt even made many/if any clear sexual advances towards Kate. Remember, she initiated the kiss. My point being that heres a guy who supposedly is a sexaholic (according to some descriptions Ive heard) and he hasnt had sex in 3 months. And when he does, its cause the other woman jumped him. How much more evidence can we have that Sawyer isnt after Kate for the sex. He clearly is disturbed by his growing feelings for her, and those growing feelings have totally messed up his game. A man after sex and sex alone, could have gotten it from someone else if not Kate. And a man primarily after sex from Kate sure wouldnt have waited 3 months for her to make the first move.

And I definately dont think Kate is the innocent little flower she pretends to be, lol. She knows how to handle herself. I do think she has behaved more prudish on the island because she doesnt want to make the same mistakes she had in the past. Like Sawyer, she is guarding her heart.

As for that youtube spoiler vid, apparently what he said was almost verbatim from some stuff posted on the IMDb. So...haha psych!! He was even reading from a monitor screen on the vid. :biglaugh:

Pretty fun though. Any time I see someone claiming 'this is legit' it just cracks me up.


ETA: Awwh thanks Girlspy! *hugs*

Yes, I do find it interesting that some fans paint Kate as a woman who is perhaps a bit more pure and virtuous than she really is. She kissed her childhood friend who was happily married with kids, and wanted more. She conned Jason into robbing the bank with her, and he doesn't look like the kind of guy who would have been happy with just some french kissing, I think it was pretty obvious that she was his 'lover' when they liplocked during the robbery. As you say, she's flirted with both Jack (who did not do much back, silly boy) and quite overtly with Sawyer on occasion. There is no reason to believe she is the kinda gal who wants to wait until marriage or declarations of undying love. However, that said, I do think she is trying to guard her heart and would not just sleep around to relieve any inner urges.

I'm willing to bet Kate's a bit of a freak. Me-ow! :biggrin:

Kidding, kidding. Yeah, I think they're both doing what anyone would do when it comes to matters of the heart and uncertainty that comes with it...protecting themselves.

Only problem with that is, the longer they're around one another, the more complicated things become. There's nothing casual about their attraction regardless of how much they dance around it. Never has been.


Funny how we both brought up the poker/card analogy. I think that really fits with Sawyer. I am reminded of that Kenny Rogers song, such a classic. But yeah, he is not stupid, he knew Kate was on the outs with Jack, and doubted whether Kate really wanted to be with him for himself. In fact, in his mind, he's always the second choice, or the default, and thus leering of revealing his true feelings in case Jack crooked his finger again. Which he did. And Kate scrambled to follow him, and Sawyer was vindicated in his thoughts that Kate still is hung up on Jack. Poor boy. *hugs him*

Know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away, and know when to run. Sing it with me! You better not count your money when you're sitting at table, there be time for countin' when the dealings done.

At least I think that's how the chorus goes. ;)

I hope the writers plan to have S/K deal with that issue, and I mean really deal with the issue. Preferably in a intense, moving scene full of angst, honesty, heartbreak and hope where Sawyer calls Kate on indecisiveness. Up until now, he's kept his tongue about it. Even offering emotional support when she's been on the outs with Jack. But that nonsense can only go on for so long without being addressed properly. Maybe they'll deal with the Ana Lucia incident at the same time. Now, that would be extremely intense, and revealing, I would imagine.

And we have had some really beautiful angsty, intense and revealing scenes already:

Torture/Kiss scene
Kate and the Letter
I Never
Fireside scene in BTR
End of The Long Con

All just perfect in the way the two just break down each other's walls and get to the truth, share the truth in a way that just connects them even more.

There is no way the writers had Sawyer get jumped by Ana, and then have him tell Jack unless they plan to use this at a later date for Skate. It totally screamed plot device. A way to throw a wrench into the works and give us some wonderful heartbreaking stuff. I can't wait!

And we have had some really beautiful angsty, intense and revealing scenes already:

Torture/Kiss scene
Kate and the Letter
I Never
Fireside scene in BTR
End of The Long Con

All just perfect in the way the two just break down each other's walls and get to the truth, share the truth in a way that just connects them even more.

There is no way the writers had Sawyer get jumped by Ana, and then have him tell Jack unless they plan to use this at a later date for Skate. It totally screamed plot device. A way to throw a wrench into the works and give us some wonderful heartbreaking stuff. I can't wait!

Me either! :winkiss:

Oh, yeah, the Sana incident, "caught in the net" and the subsequential confessional was definitely a plot device. I think I may still bare a lump on my head from being hit over the head so hard. ;)

Makes me wonder if the late season reworkings hadn't occurred to writer off MR and CW, would we have still gotten 'TLC'? Even worse, the S.O.S period? I mean, c'mon...I like Rose and Bernard, too...but uh...

Me either! :winkiss:

Oh, yeah, the Sana incident, "caught in the net" and the subsequential confessional was definitely a plot device. I think I may still bare a lump on my head from being hit over the head so hard. ;)

Makes me wonder if the late season reworkings hadn't occurred to writer off MR and CW, would we have still gotten 'TLC'? Even worse, the S.O.S period? I mean, c'mon...I like Rose and Bernard, too...but uh...

Darbi: Exactly how I feel about all that! I still believe the season took a sharp turn when the Jack/Ana Lucia pairing didn't work and it resulted in some uncomfortable scenes. The "caught in the net" thing was poorly written and came off as awkward and forced. Don't even get me started on the frog thing and a lot of other silly stuff.

:frown: IMO this lack of continuity and the sorry level of the writing during that period is the responsible for the lack of emmy nominations.

:redface: Breaking News: The UK site is back up and I just posted Chapter Six of Obsessions and Fantasies. Finally!

wow once again i go away and come back to great stuff.

On the whole Sawyer/sex thing when it comes to Kate i've heard that so much it's gets a bit tiring :drowsy: Sawyer did have Kate in many situations where he could've gotten something out of her and didn't do anything. Hardly made any move on her at all actually, and like you guys said, isn't stupid here. He knew she was on the outs with Jack. She was all over him during that time and he didn't try much of anything. Why? Cause like someone said eariler, not only does he respect her, he's fallen for her and is really scared by that. I found it interesting he could have sex with a woman that he dislikes but can barely make a move on the one that he does love. And we know he loves her that's been fairly obvious. They've gone out of their way to point that out. He could've had anyone he wanted if he really worked at it. He wants her cause he fell for her, plain and simple.

As far as that whole cards thing, you guys aren't the only ones, someone brought that up awhile back on ABC and thought she was crazy at that time but when you look at that scene in cotext it makes sense. Should or shouldn't I? Should i risk it, knowing that she still clearly has this thing for Jack, and that if he shows her how he feels how he know she's not gonne run off with Jack the minute he decides to talk to her again. And that's exactly what happened.

And as far as Kate goes there are some who think she's alot more innocent than she really is here. She has opnely flirted with both guys, sometimes while the other is around, she's far from being ignorant of what's doing. But like you guys have said, like Sawyer she's guarding her heart a bit too. Wow what and interesing situation we have now..

oh and midnight The Sox are my local baseball team and hadn't one the Championship for 86 years before they did in 2004. And our motto while rooting for them year and year out was 'hope for the best and expect the worst' which has been my approach to Skate :biggrin:

YOO HOO! LISA! SYSTEM'S WORKING AGAIN! FAN FIC CAN BE POSTED! (Hint #4815162342) :biggrin:

Question: If the Sana sex is revealed to Kate, how do you think it's going to happen? How will she react, and what do you think Sawyer will give her as a reply? How will it affect, if at all, their current relationship?

Question: If the Sana sex is revealed to Kate, how do you think it's going to happen? How will she react, and what do you think Sawyer will give her as a reply? How will it affect, if at all, their current relationship?

I definitely think it's going to be revealed... that's for sure. As much as I adore Sawyer, I wanted to reach into the television & smack him when he told Jack. He could've told anyone, anyone... but not Jack. I know a lot of people of fans of the supposed Sawyer/Jack friendshio... but to me... Jack's the enemy... I just don't like him... period.

I don't think Jack is going to maliciously reveal this info to Kate... but sooner or later, he's going to spill the beans... probably in some type of warning type of way.

I think Kate's gonna flip... "why didn't you tell me..." & all that fun stuff. I also think Sawyer's reaction is going to be very defensive. I think he's going to make some snide remarks about Kate & Jack.

Perhaps the revelation will make them closer? Maybe Sawyer will fess up to some of his feelings for Kate? Who knows... but ultimately I don't think ithe Sana stuff will have that much of an effect on their relationship... I think it'll cause some temporary drama... but hey... if Kate can get past the whole guns situation... and have her little thing w/Jack... I highly doubt she can hold a grudge for Sana (and I'll go crazy if she does!! haha)

Question: If the Sana sex is revealed to Kate, how do you think it's going to happen? How will she react, and what do you think Sawyer will give her as a reply? How will it affect, if at all, their current relationship?



ok first question..
I think it may inadvertantly get revealed by Sawyer himself, i simply can't see Jack mentioning it, it would be disasterou on so many levels there. Maybe during a fight, or during a weak moment. Or the Others could potentially reveal it who knows? It's definatly gonna come out though that's for sure.

The second question: How will Kate react? she will definatly be upset whether she has a right to be or not, which in a way she dosen't cause hangin around Jack and had no claim on Sawyer at all. I'm very interested to see her reaction actually. But she'lll definatly flip a bit as Druga says

As far as how Sawyer will react i think we'll get a typical snarky Sawyer reaction in defense of himself, in an attempt to cover up thow he reels about Kate. And who knows, seeing as how he ain't good at hiding his feelings lately i can definatly see them getting revealed at this time in an inadvertant way. Which could cause some intersting developments there depending on the situation they happen it be in when this gets revealed.

As for the last question: i don't think it'l have a long term affect seeing as the cirmcumstances in which it took place. And Ana is dead so it's not like there's that awkwardness in having her around.

In short she'll be po'd, he'll get defensive and things will come out
as least that's my humble opinion :biggrin:

I did find it interesting that the writers had Sawyer confess that he had sex ton JACK of all people, giving him huge ammunition.

Do I think Jack would tell Kate outright? No I don't think so. If he did then I would be very upset at him considering what Sawyer did for him re: his father revelation. Anyways, I know Jack is the noble type so I figure he would give a vague warning to Kate or conversely sort of use it to convince Sawyer to back off from Kate, basically 'how do you think she would feel if she found out about what you did with Ana?' - not that I think he'd go through with spilling the beans, but we have seen him be just a tad petty now and then. so it's possible. Especially if he's going to actually pursue her properly himself.

But, realistically, I can see it slipping out in a heated exchange between Jack and Sawyer, forgetting Kate is there, or some mind game played out by the Others. I don't see Sawyer volunteering the info to Kate under any circumstances.

When she hears about it? I would expect her to be shocked, and upset, and perhaps a bit jealous. Especially if she and Sawyer were getting closer, or had hooked up. Not that I think she has a right to call him out on it, but I think it's fair when you have feelings for someone that it still might feel like a betrayal, even when they weren't actually an item. I would like to see her get angry, confront him, maybe even be mean to him about him having a 'cheap' fling. Then it could go one of two ways: Sawyer could brush it off, make some callous snarky remark that reinforces his image as a bad boy not fit to be loved etc, or he could come back swinging and call her out on her own behaviour, stringing along both guys and never settling on either.

"Hell, Freckles, you just want to have your cake and eat it too. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I ain't the fall back guy any more. There, I made the choice easy for you."

That sort of thing. *sniffle*

wow Zoriah that's actually pretty good right there, i could really see that happening.

As far as the whole having Sawyer confess to Jack don't forget that Jack was also present for Sawyer's 'declaration of love' too. Very interesting that Jack has all this info on Sawyer don't tyou think? Not only does he know that he 'screwed' Ana to use his words, but he knows he loves Kate too. Talk about having the goods on someone.

And i could totally see Sawyer, throwing it all back in her face, trying to force a deicision one way or another. Or like you said, to reinforce that he's a bad guy.

The circumstances of the revelation, when it takes place, and where will be the key factor in the effect that it will have on both of them. Drama and angst here we come..
And no one does it better than Sawyer and Kate IMO :biggrin:

I did find it interesting that the writers had Sawyer confess that he had sex ton JACK of all people, giving him huge ammunition.

Do I think Jack would tell Kate outright? No I don't think so. If he did then I would be very upset at him considering what Sawyer did for him re: his father revelation. Anyways, I know Jack is the noble type so I figure he would give a vague warning to Kate or conversely sort of use it to convince Sawyer to back off from Kate, basically 'how do you think she would feel if she found out about what you did with Ana?' - not that I think he'd go through with spilling the beans, but we have seen him be just a tad petty now and then. so it's possible. Especially if he's going to actually pursue her properly himself.

But, realistically, I can see it slipping out in a heated exchange between Jack and Sawyer, forgetting Kate is there, or some mind game played out by the Others. I don't see Sawyer volunteering the info to Kate under any circumstances.

When she hears about it? I would expect her to be shocked, and upset, and perhaps a bit jealous. Especially if she and Sawyer were getting closer, or had hooked up. Not that I think she has a right to call him out on it, but I think it's fair when you have feelings for someone that it still might feel like a betrayal, even when they weren't actually an item. I would like to see her get angry, confront him, maybe even be mean to him about him having a 'cheap' fling. Then it could go one of two ways: Sawyer could brush it off, make some callous snarky remark that reinforces his image as a bad boy not fit to be loved etc, or he could come back swinging and call her out on her own behaviour, stringing along both guys and never settling on either.

"Hell, Freckles, you just want to have your cake and eat it too. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I ain't the fall back guy any more. There, I made the choice easy for you."

That sort of thing. *sniffle*

You know you're obsessed with a show when you here dialogue in your head... haha...

As far as Jack... I agree w/both you & everyone else... Jack's not a "messed" up kind of guy... he'd do the right thing & not say anything... that is until emotion took him over...

Let's say he & Sawyer have some type of disagreement... no matter how friendly they get, they're bound to disagree... since they're so different...

Kate goes to bat on behalf of Sawyer.

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Kate: Jack, why do you have to be so hard on Sawyer? Can't you just give him a chance?

Jack: Give him a chance? Kate, do you have any idea what kind of guy you're hanging around with? The kind of guy that steals guns, sleeps with a woman he barely knows and lies to every single person he meets.

Kate: Sleeps with a woman he barely knows? Jack, what are you talking about?

Jack: Nothing.

Kate: No, it's not nothing. Jack, tell me.

(pause)

Jack: Him and Ana-Lucia... they slept together, right before she died.

Kate storms off...

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haha... I can totally see it...

And I definitely see Sawyer being anything but sorry for what he did... but I think (and hope) he'll come around & sort of apologize... or imply in some way how he's only got eyes for her anyway...

Isn't the wait just excruciating? October can't get here fast enough.

One thing we have to remember is that island time is vastly different than real time. We have been watching the show for over two years now and yet how much time has past? 60 days or something? I was thinking about what some people have said about Sawyer's level of commitment compared to say Jack, who is, admittedly the poster boy for such. And I have to say that yes, I think Sawyer is capable of sustaining a reasonably long term relationship. Look at Cassidy. They were together, ostensibly monogamous and happy (yes I know it was a long con but the point is we saw that Sawyer had indeed fallen for her and cared for her deeply) for at least six months. How many seasons would that make if we were converting it? 3 seasons. ;)

Isn't the wait just excruciating? October can't get here fast enough.

One thing we have to remember is that island time is vastly different than real time. We have been watching the show for over two years now and yet how much time has past? 60 days or something? I was thinking about what some people have said about Sawyer's level of commitment compared to say Jack, who is, admittedly the poster boy for such. And I have to say that yes, I think Sawyer is capable of sustaining a reasonably long term relationship. Look at Cassidy. They were together, ostensibly monogamous and happy (yes I know it was a long con but the point is we saw that Sawyer had indeed fallen for her and cared for her deeply) for at least six months. How many seasons would that make if we were converting it? 3 seasons. ;)

That's true, I don't think we even know how long Jack has been with Sarah.

Question: If the Sana sex is revealed to Kate, how do you think it's going to happen? How will she react, and what do you think Sawyer will give her as a reply? How will it affect, if at all, their current relationship?

I think it is possible that Sawyer will tell the Others about the sex with Ana, something they probably already know; if they have been watching everything as I believe they have. Suspecting this, in a mind game with Henry, he pull a con on him. The Others will try to use his feelings for Kate to control him. Sawyer will laugh at them and admit that he has been chasing Kate all over the Island, but because "a man's got needs". He will point out that Kate wouldn't put out, so he found someone who would. He'll pass his interest in Kate off as just trying to "get in her pants", defusing the power they think they have to hurt him through her.

Kate will be there when this happens and her shock, anger and probable disappointment will help sell the con. It will hurt him to have the Ana sex reveled this way, but it is for the greater good, keeping Kate safe. IMO the battle between Henry and Sawyer is going to be very interesting. The life long con artist v. the master manipulator.....my money's on our boy! This needs to be the con of his life!

I think it is possible that Sawyer will tell the Others about the sex with Ana, something they probably already know; if they have been watching everything as I believe they have. Suspecting this, in a mind game with Henry, he pull a con on him. The Others will try to use his feelings for Kate to control him. Sawyer will laugh at them and admit that he has been chasing Kate all over the Island, but because "a man's got needs". He will point out that Kate wouldn't put out, so he found someone who would. He'll pass his interest in Kate off as just trying to "get in her pants", defusing the power they think they have to hurt him through her.

Kate will be there when this happens and her shock, anger and probable disappointment will help sell the con. It will hurt him to have the Ana sex reveled this way, but it is for the greater good, keeping Kate safe. IMO the battle between Henry and Sawyer is going to be very interesting. The life long con artist v. the master manipulator.....my money's on our boy! This needs to be the con of his life!

Hmmm...I really like this idea. Something tells me that Sawyer is going to need to bank some goodwill pretty early on. So far, all the cons or actions he's taken in his fb's, and his on island actions have had drastic, near deadly drawbacks. It would be nice for a change if those coning skills, wit and intelligence are used to help get the three out of that situation, and perhaps get some intel on the "Others".

Of course, as most things dealing with Sawyer, regardless of the intent, it will have a down side. He'll still loose something in return. In this case, it may be Kate. Redemption, if he is to obtain it is still a ways down the road for him.

Thanks Fricksgurl for telling me about your Sox team! Glad to hear they made it after 86 years too.... just hope it doesn't take Skate anywhere near that long... :msntongu:

What great reading there has been since I was last here - again, I love all your Skater posts & opinions :biggrin:

I know this was posted a couple of pages ago, am just catching up here:


Many people assume that Sawyer is the kind of guy who is out for a quick shag any way he can get it. But is he really?


I think that most men wouldn't even be hanging around for as long as a couple of months if all they wanted was a quick shag - if that was all he was interested in with Kate we wouldn't have seen much communication between the two at all I reckon. Why go to all the trouble of trying to get to know someone e.g. I Never game or at other times why try to protect her - he has tried to do this on many occasions. There have to be easier ways of getting a quick shag if that is all he wants/has wanted.
Even with AnaLucia as someone else said here - she jumped on him, he didn't go looking for it - in fact the surprise/shock on his face was evident when AL kissed him.
100%

But, realistically, I can see it slipping out in a heated exchange between Jack and Sawyer, forgetting Kate is there, or some mind game played out by the Others. I don't see Sawyer volunteering the info to Kate under any circumstances.

When she hears about it? I would expect her to be shocked, and upset, and perhaps a bit jealous. Especially if she and Sawyer were getting closer, or had hooked up. Not that I think she has a right to call him out on it, but I think it's fair when you have feelings for someone that it still might feel like a betrayal, even when they weren't actually an item. I would like to see her get angry, confront him, maybe even be mean to him about him having a 'cheap' fling. Then it could go one of two ways: Sawyer could brush it off, make some callous snarky remark that reinforces his image as a bad boy not fit to be loved etc, or he could come back swinging and call her out on her own behaviour, stringing along both guys and never settling on either.

"Hell, Freckles, you just want to have your cake and eat it too. Well, sorry to disappoint, but I ain't the fall back guy any more. There, I made the choice easy for you."

That sort of thing. *sniffle*

:roflmao:I can just hear Sawyer coming out with those lines, would be good to see him saying something like that to Kate. Whether Kate hears it from Jack, Sawyer or the Others about Sana, she may perhaps initially keep quiet about it, keep her feelings to herself & then explode at some point further down the line in an argument with Sawyer - which may end in a lovely passionate moment:kiss1:
Anyway, I like all the answers already posted too.

Actually I posted the same link the a page or two back, here it is again:

More evidence of Foxy filming out of order scenes (http://dryope.livejournal.com/251179.html?#cutid1)

i couldn't get that link to work until now.

Ugh, why would anyone drool over seven nearly identical pics? And he doesn't look wet, so why would he need to dry off? i think they meant that he needed a shower. ;) j/k i just don't find him attractive and the comments are soooo over the top. But they can say and think whatever they want i just... don't... get... it.

However, in regards to S/K...Josh and Evi have always brought more to their scenes than what I imagine the writers had intended. I see no sound, logical reason why they wouldn't continue to utilize that chemistry for everything it's worth. To date, it's worth plenty.

A lot of Jaters don't see it that way. What was that flaming post saying, that Jack had to be out of the picture so TPTB could force Skate? i feel like Jate is forced, myself. But i do agree that one of the best things about a show is that the actors bring new things to the characters that have the potential to change the direction of things. Something that my World's Greatest Films professor didn't seem to understand or appreciate. :rolleyes: That's a director for you. :biggrin:

i'm not done catching up, but i gotta go to class!

When was Jack ever out of the picture? :confused:

When was Jack ever out of the picture? :confused:
That's probably referring to the 12-odd episodes in S2 that Jack & Kate didn't speak. :undecide:

When was Jack ever out of the picture? :confused:

Darbi, I think that was referring to the post from Halfrek which was brought over by Car88win for us to read - and heed too i.e. that we shouldn't be taking out anything on those who like Jate just as Jaters shouldn't be putting up posts such as the one that was posted - I'm sure the mods don't want an all-out war between us all - here's the link:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/...&postcount=509 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1134311&postcount=509)

Thanks for the link, Midnight. Not sure if there's anything to say about it, so I won't.

Eh, anyways...

If memory serves me right, there was only one episode during S2 where Jack and Kate weren't in at least one scene together and that was 'One of Them' and Evi wasn't in the episode at all.

On the other hand, Josh and Evi went...counting Exodus II, eight episodes without a single scene. Seems like a perfect time to push a particular ships agenda if that was the writers intent.

(shrug)

Im hoping this post will work, I wasnt having much luck earlier today, think the problem is permanent on my end :p. Anyway, just wanted to extend a warm welcome to our newest Outkasts SawyerKicksButt!!! Indeed he does :D. And we are very happy to have you here.

In regards to the Jack needing to be out of the picture for skate to happen, what was the whole first 8 epis of s2 about then??? Cause I dont remember Sawyer with Kate in any of those, lol. Sounds to me like thats pulling at straws. Anyway Im still really excited to see what happens. I think the beginning of the season is gonna be a rollercoaster ride all the way, and its totally gonna hit the fan, lol. Just waiting to see what happens when it does. ;)

I am spoiler free and I could not care less, if anyone hates Kate and Sawyer as a couple.

I know that I enjoy every scene with Kate and Sawyer and only hope to see more in the future. I am so over all the other storylines on Lost , that the only thing keeping me interested is Sawyer and the Kate and Sawyer relationship.

Tarhiliel made a video return to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsW5pfv9HuE

Im hoping this post will work, I wasnt having much luck earlier today, think the problem is permanent on my end :p. Anyway, just wanted to extend a warm welcome to our newest Outkasts SawyerKicksButt!!! Indeed he does :D. And we are very happy to have you here.

In regards to the Jack needing to be out of the picture for skate to happen, what was the whole first 8 epis of s2 about then??? Cause I dont remember Sawyer with Kate in any of those, lol. Sounds to me like thats pulling at straws. Anyway Im still really excited to see what happens. I think the beginning of the season is gonna be a rollercoaster ride all the way, and its totally gonna hit the fan, lol. Just waiting to see what happens when it does. ;)



Meh :rolleyes: I have heard that said before. That b/c nothing, in the opinions of other ppl, happened between Skate and they had plenty of opportunities to come together and didn't that the ship has sailed. IMO Jack and Kate has ample chances to get together in Season 1 and especially in the beginning of Season 2 when Sawyer was on the other side of the island and didn't. Then when Sawyer came back, Kate was all about spending time being attached to Sawyer's hip and that was before Jack decided to act like a child and ignore her.

SKate video by JoL Volley includes the fireside scene from The Long Con .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHGudt-DKcI&mode=related&search=

I love the implication that the only way Skate's could happen is if you take Jack out of the picture, that's the same one as 'well she was only all over Sawyer cause she was on the outs with Jack' stuff. Please :rolleyes: Kate was hanging out with Sawyer and taking care of him cause she wanted to, no because Jack wasn't talking to her, which btw didn't happen until the end of THP.

Like Luanne and Girlspy said, there were plaenty of opportunities to push Jack and Kate together, esp at the beginning of the season this year, when Sawyer was on the other side of the freakin island LOL, and alot of the first season. I haven't heard them saying cause nothing really happened that that ship sailed. It's mind-boggling sometimes. Alot happened with Sawyer and Kate last season, some good stuff and some bad stuff. I liked what we got last year i think it marked some serious forward progress, esp on Sawyer's part, with a few steps back mixed in, but it wouldn't be Skate if it came easy now would it? :biggrin:

IMO the battle between Henry and Sawyer is going to be very interesting. The life long con artist v. the master manipulator.....my money's on our boy! This needs to be the con of his life!
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh YEAH! :biggrin:

Maybe Fenry will offer James his freedom (and Kate's) IF. . .James appears to agree. But when Fenry reneges on his promise (what a surprise--NOT), James will have used his "cooperation time" to set up something that'll boomerang on Fenry, IF he doesn't keep his promise!

Ah, mind games. . . .

Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh YEAH! :biggrin:

Maybe Fenry will offer James his freedom (and Kate's) IF. . .James appears to agree. But when Fenry reneges on his promise (what a surprise--NOT), James will have used his "cooperation time" to set up something that'll boomerang on Fenry, IF he doesn't keep his promise!

Ah, mind games. . . .


Aren't they delicious? :shifty:

I'm hoping we get some good scenes between Sawyer and "Zeke" as well. That should make for some priceless, sarcastic bantering.

I just wanna see James :chair: Zeke to a pulp, actually! :wink1:

I just wanna see James :chair: Zeke to a pulp, actually! :wink1:

I wouldn't mind seeing that either. :D

I don't really know what I'm replying to here... but something upset me while I was reading these last two pages & so... I feel compelled to say the following...

The Skate/Jate triangle reminds me somewhat of another JJ show... Felicity... don't know how people will react to that... but back in those days... the Ben/Felicity/Noel triangle sparked a lot of debate... and Noel was the "good" guy & Ben was the "jerk" .. though completely different from the skate/jate triangle... there was still this sort of supposed clean cut... there's a girl torn between two guys who represent night & day...

What's my point?

I think JJ & anyone who works w/him have perfected the art of creating a triangle where it really can go either way... and I think everything up until this season has been about perserving that balance...

However...

I remember being exceptionally happy w/the season finale of "Lost" season 1... because Jate could have as many little moments as they liked... but at the end of it all... the viewers were shown that Kate was looking for Sawyer and Sawyer was looking for Kate...and that's the "feeling" we were left with at the end of season 1...

I think Skate not getting together during their time together while he was healing does not in any way imply that Skate's time is over... instead I think it implies that the writers wanted to continue to balance that triangle & did not want to embark on a "couple" yet...

I remember being exceptionally happy w/the season finale of "Lost" season 1... because Jate could have as many little moments as they liked... but at the end of it all... the viewers were shown that Kate was looking for Sawyer and Sawyer was looking for Kate...and that's the "feeling" we were left with at the end of season 1...

I think Skate not getting together during their time together while he was healing does not in any way imply that Skate's time is over... instead I think it implies that the writers wanted to continue to balance that triangle & did not want to embark on a "couple" yet...

Druga i had to respond to this cause it was good. I think what you saw was us mentioning that 'some' thought that cause nothing happened with Skate that it was over, when it clearly wasn't. I too loved the scene at the end of Season 1 when they were looking for eachother as wel and that's a perfect example to use about how they balance it very well. Things didn't happen with them for a reason, cause it wasn't the right time yet, but something tells me that right time is coming soon:biggrin:

I just wanna see James :chair: Zeke to a pulp, actually! :wink1:
STH that would be great, i'd love that too, and all the guys gotta do get the beatdown is look at him funny, or attempt to harm Kate, whatever comes first ;)

Druga i had to respond to this cause it was good. I think what you saw was us mentioning that 'some' thought that cause nothing happened with Skate that it was over, when it clearly wasn't. I too loved the scene at the end of Season 1 when they were looking for eachother as wel and that's a perfect example to use about how they balance it very well. Things didn't happen with them for a reason, cause it wasn't the right time yet, but something tells me that right time is coming soon:biggrin:

I think that time is coming too... I actually have a theory on this... but I refuse to share it until after a Skate union... because I do not want to jinx it in any way...

My only concern though... let's say they get together... don't get me wrong... i'm jumping for joy... but it's such a rarity in tv drama that couples "make it." I just really, really hope that the writers don't go soap opera & put them together, only to break them up (unless... they put Jack & Kate together, and then break them up so she can go to Sawyer... that would work for me... even though I cringe at the very thought of Jate... but I'll take absolutely anything over Jack & Kate being written as some star-crossed duo...)

My only concern though... let's say they get together... don't get me wrong... i'm jumping for joy... but it's such a rarity in tv drama that couples "make it." I just really, really hope that the writers don't go soap opera & put them together, only to break them up


I think if their couple works on screen, then i don't see why the writers should make them split up. I mean, if Kate and Sawyer were together the whole season, it would be a bit boring maybe, but on the other hand, it would be interesting to see them acting like a couple : there is a lot to do with Kate and Sawyer as a couple : they could still quarrel sometimes, and that would be interesting to see them becoming reconciled. There could be a lot of twists and turns in their couple relationship, which could be interesting. So, i think they could be together the whole season 3, without the need to make them break up a long time.

What's my point?

I think JJ & anyone who works w/him have perfected the art of creating a triangle where it really can go either way... and I think everything up until this season has been about perserving that balance...
...As frustrating as the triangle makes me at times, I have to give the writers props at how well they've kept the balance, kept it interesting, where it could literally go either way based on Kate's choice...or however the first six episodes are to play out.Beyond my interest in the matter, however, is my fervant hope, that these individual characters exhibit personal growth. Hopefully their encounters with the "Others" will be the catalyst of that growth.I think if their couple works on screen, then i don't see why the writers should make them split up. I mean, if Kate and Sawyer were together the whole season, it would be a bit boring maybe, but on the other hand, it would be interesting to see them acting like a couple : there is a lot to do with Kate and Sawyer as a couple : they could still quarrel sometimes, and that would be interesting to see them becoming reconciled. There could be a lot of twists and turns in their couple relationship, which could be interesting. So, i think they could be together the whole season 3, without the need to make them break up a long time.I'm not so sure. If the addition of new characters, the presence of the "Others", learning about all of them, their backgrounds, their agendas...the twists and turns the writers are always throwing into the show...the focus of their relationship will have to fit into the flow of the show. I doubt it would have much time to become boring with everything else that's going on. Besides, these two have never been boring, and they already act like a couple in certain respects. You toss sex (which I'm sure they'll be having lots of. They better have lots of sex :biggrin: ) adjusting to one another, and Jack, who for better or worse will always be factor into the mix...ready made drama.

I'm not so sure. If the addition of new characters, the presence of the "Others", learning about all of them, their backgrounds, their agendas...the twists and turns the writers are always throwing into the show...the focus of their relationship will have to fit into the flow of the show. I doubt it would have much time to become boring with everything else that's going on. Besides, these two have never been boring, and they already act like a couple in certain respects. You toss sex (which I'm sure they'll be having lots of. They better have lots of sex :biggrin: ) adjusting to one another, and Jack, who for better or worse will always be factor into the mix...ready made drama.


Yeah, i agree.
I was more referring to the fact that the writers don't have necessarily to make them break up. But i agree, their relationship is not boring at all. I didn't want to say that it is boring but for some people, a couple relationship in a tv show can be boring if it lasts a whole season. But, with Kate and Sawyer, it would never be boring anyway. Even if they are a couple, there are interesting things that could happen between them. ;) They are never boring. Kate and Sawyer are my favorite characters on Lost, and i enjoy every one of their scenes.

As frustrating as the triangle makes me at times, I have to give the writers props at how well they've kept the balance, kept it interesting, where it could literally go either way based on Kate's choice...or however the first six episodes are to play out.Beyond my interest in the matter, however, is my fervant hope, that these individual characters exhibit personal growth. Hopefully their encounters with the "Others" will be the catalyst of that growth.I'm not so sure. If the addition of new characters, the presence of the "Others", learning about all of them, their backgrounds, their agendas...the twists and turns the writers are always throwing into the show...the focus of their relationship will have to fit into the flow of the show. I doubt it would have much time to become boring with everything else that's going on. Besides, these two have never been boring, and they already act like a couple in certain respects. You toss sex (which I'm sure they'll be having lots of). They better have lots of sex :biggrin: ) adjusting to one another, and Jack, who for better or worse will always be factor into the mix...ready made drama.

:wub: Atta Girl Darbi: You just said what we are all thinking and why Skate fiction is so damn popular. I have every confidence that the folks who gave us "the kiss" can film a sex scene (even on network TV) that will be at least as hot (dare we hope -- hotter) than that first kiss. Josh and Evi have the best sexual chemistry seen on TV in years, if you just give them the scene and turn them loose, they will put it all out there and all you need to do is film it. IMO filming it the same way the kiss was filmed, with no music, very little camera moment; focusing on the actors and just letting the action and the sounds of the moment come across would be brilliant. I'm thinking Tater Top Award again! LOL

Yeah, i agree.
I was more referring to the fact that the writers don't have necessarily to make them break up. But i agree, their relationship is not boring at all. I didn't want to say that it is boring but for some people, a couple relationship in a tv show can be boring if it lasts a whole season. But, with Kate and Sawyer, it would never be boring anyway. Even if they are a couple, there are interesting things that could happen between them. ;) They are never boring. Kate and Sawyer are my favorite characters on Lost, and i enjoy every one of their scenes.
ITA...Kate & Sawyer would never be boring, even if they remain "the" couple of Lost until the end of the show! The natural chemistry, the level of their connection, the way they're constantly challenging each other...it would take some pretty poor writing to make Skate "boring", and we all know that Lost has some pretty GOOD writers! :biggrin:

If the addition of new characters, the presence of the Others learning about all of them, their backgrounds, their agendas...the twists and turns the writers are always throwing into the show...the focus of their relationship will have to fit into the flow of the show. I doubt it would have much time to become boring with everything else that's going on. Besides, these two have never been boring, and they already act like a couple in certain respects. You toss sex (which I'm sure they'll be having lots of. They better have lots of sex :biggrin: ) adjusting to one another, and Jack, who for better or worse will always be factor into the mix...ready made drama.

Amen to that. Bring on the sex :D, and I dont think Skate could ever be boring, lol. One of the reasons I root for them as a couple is that they have so much inner turmoil and baggage, that theres always gonna be something rising to the surface (no pun intended), lol. Its the struggle that will make them worth watching. And I have heard many more neutral people who arent into shipping say that they act like a couple already. Its true. Even my mom who isnt a religious viewer but tunes in from time to time thought Sawyer and Kate were already girlfriend and boyfriend. She was surprised when I told her it wasnt so.

Anyway, I think theres definately plenty there for long term hashing and re-hashing of emotional issues, plus as Darbi pointed out, with all the island action, the sex angle, and just surviving, Im sure they will have enough to go on for seasons to come.

Thanks guys. :smile:

I just want to see a good show. Sawyer and Kate, as much as I love the two are just a small portion of why I tune in. In essence, they are the icing on a very delicious cake. If the writers intend to put the two together, then like girlspy mentioned, they both have so much emotional baggage in which to delve into...they'll never become duIl to watch. To balance out the angst, they have a very natural ability in bringing out a very relaxed, playful, sexy side in one another when they act like normal people for a little while at least. :laughing: Naturally, that is a joy to watch, too.

However, I enjoy all the characters very much, even if a few drive me nuts. I'm intrigued by the running themes of the show. Redemption, faith, religion, politics, social reconstructure, moral ambiguity, good/evil, light/dark...and everything in between. Of course, the creep factor/mystery/ sci fi aspect is a boundless landscape in which the writers can and hopefully will continue to explore.

Yeah, i agree.
I was more referring to the fact that the writers don't have necessarily to make them break up. But i agree, their relationship is not boring at all. I didn't want to say that it is boring but for some people, a couple relationship in a tv show can be boring if it lasts a whole season. But, with Kate and Sawyer, it would never be boring anyway. Even if they are a couple, there are interesting things that could happen between them. ;) They are never boring. Kate and Sawyer are my favorite characters on Lost, and i enjoy every one of their scenes.

:shesaid: :wavey: Hey Irlandia, welcome here to OutKaSters, nice to see you over here!

I agree with all of you on the suubject of Skate together never becoming dull - just wouldn't be possible.... and it would be great to see a relationship which lasts on a TV show which can provide us with this entertainment - would make a change instead of gong with the cliche of getting together, breaking up, getting together again which we all have seen many times before on other shows

I am once again in agreement. I do see why you'd have to go the soap opera route, get them together only to break them up. Relationships can work and can be very interesting if the right people are involved. I for one, if they get together would love to see the ups and downs of a relationship like that. Like someone said, Sawyer and Kate have enough baggage to sink an ocean liner. Their relationship will be interetting and never boring, it would be filled with pitfalls and minfefields of many sorts. And to incorporate it into the overall storyline of survival on a very strange island could make for many great storylines to follow. I certainly would like to see their growth together and as individuals over the course of time. Who knows? They could end up being one of these great TV couples :biggrin: I for one would be excited by that prospect.

ITA...Kate & Sawyer would never be boring, even if they remain "the" couple of Lost until the end of the show! The natural chemistry, the level of their connection, the way they're constantly challenging each other...it would take some pretty poor writing to make Skate "boring", and we all know that Lost has some pretty GOOD writers! :biggrin:


A couple has to have conflict to make them interesting for the writers and the audience .It's the conflict and connection that makes SKate so fascinating and unique.

Has anyone heard from Lisa? :unhappy:

Not only are James & Kate not boring together, the theme of redemption fits their coupledom as well. I've always seen that, given a little more trust and a little less self-righteousness, Jack's "redemption" would be helped by Kate being his lady. However, I've also always seen Jack being able to find his "redemption" without Kate.

On the other hand, I see only a crash-and-burn for James, should Kate not become his significant other. She's the only one who has gotten as far through his barriers. They both "get" each other; their relationship (frictional as it can be) fits like a glove and just, well, comes. Both of them can grow from this understanding of one another (we've already seen many an example how that works--whether they are relaxed or at odds with each other). Without Kate, James would retreat. Without James, Kate would. . .well, he's good for her, even when he's bad for her. Cuz he's NOT the "normal" guy she thinks she's always wanted; he's the play it as it lays sort that she has turned out to BE (though she seems to think that only by having a "normal" life does she have any chance of NOT being all bad, like Wayne was).

Oh, enough. There just ain't words to describe why Skate is right and Jate is wrong. They're all terrific characters, and I wish them all well.

There just ain't words to describe why Skate is right and Jate is wrong.
Actually, I think there is one word to describe it...and one word is all that's needed to sum it all up, and cover both ships.

Chemistry. :biggrin:

You toss sex (which I'm sure they'll be having lots of. They better have lots of sex :biggrin: ) adjusting to one another, and Jack, who for better or worse will always be factor into the mix...ready made drama. It's funny that the other side will use the exact same words for their couple. It really all is in the eyes of the beholder.

It's funny that the other side will use the exact same words for their couple. It really all is in the eyes of the beholder.

I was going to say something sarcastic, but I'll refrain and just say...that's very true. ;)

The sad thing is...I wish it didn't have to be a triangle. Pitting one guy against the other for the same girl. Because ultimately someone is going to have to lose out, OR the audience will get bored with the to-ing and fro-ing and lose interest in the whole kaboodle and pick some other couple that at least looks like it is going somewhere.

I agree with some of you that the writers have to be very careful not to turn characters who have a story of their own to tell, into mere devices to be a foil for different character, or tools for the romantic triangle. Don't make them act out of character to make things fit better. Let them still be independent and a player in the larger storyline too.

I loved the idea someone had earlier of Sawyer having to do the biggest con of his life in order to help his fellow captives. That would be making use of his talents for once, and showing us some growth, without sacrificing WHO he is, and WHAT he can do. (contrast this with Kate's disappearing abilities in SOS :rolleyes: )

In the end, the writers will write the story they want to tell, regardless of how we think it should go. The danger is to expect too much, to not keep an open mind.

To be honest, there are scenarios where Kate might decide Jack is better for her for right now that I could accept, and which in my opinion would lead to some fantastic skate angst and development down the road. Because ultimately, I do think this story is about inner growth and redemption and second chances. And I think the Kate and Sawyer pairing - in the way they interact, connect, challenge and are drawn to each other again and again despite their baggage - embodies those themes.

once again Zoriah :shesaid: beautifully stated, i want indiviual growth too and to keep the characters true to themselves, even if we don't like it sometimes. And even if she chose Jack it wouldn't be over by a long shot with Sawyer and we all know that.. :biggrin:

It's funny that the other side will use the exact same words for their couple. It really all is in the eyes of the beholder.
exactly Perdue :biggrin: where you stand depends on where you sit...

I was going to say something sarcastic, but I'll refrain and just say...that's very true. ;)

Now Darbi i don't know what your talking about, you NEVER say anything sarcastic ;)

Of the different possibilities, I'm hoping that when Kate chooses her mate - Sawyer OR Jack, (& by the way, there's more than the one obvious reason I want her to be with Sawyer . . .) then it'll feel like our story has ended. You know, like off they go into the sunset. Then either the jaters or the Skaters will be incredibly disappointed. What will become of their thread on the Fuse!! I totally agree that this to-ing and fro-ing has already stretched to it's limit. It's exhausted.

There has to be some kind of event that totally throw us ALL. The writers, I'm sure, are more resourceful than to satisfy, (Skaters or jaters). That, I think, will leave us still wanting.

Regardless of who Kates goes with - even if she wants Sawyer, I have a feeling that Sawyer's going to be in a lot of pain.

Has anyone heard from Lisa? :unhappy:

She's working on the update STH! :biggrin: She said not to pop a lung; the update is coming soon. ;)

ITA! Sawyer and Kate are so complicated and complex that putting them together as a couple would never make them dull. There would always be possibilites for storylines with them without having them stuck in the triangle of boredom. :rolleyes:

Regardless of who Kates goes with - even if she wants Sawyer, I have a feeling that Sawyer's going to be in a lot of pain.



and that's the saddest part isn't it? :frown: poor guy....so much torment for one person...

ITA! Sawyer and Kate are so complicated and complex that putting them together as a couple would never make them dull. There would always be possibilites for storylines with them without having them stuck in the triangle of boredom. :rolleyes:

oh that's good :biglaugh:

You're right, Honeypoppy, and I know it. I need to see the glass as more than half full.

Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life.


I'm going to write my autobiography and call it: How I Became Skate, I and II

You're right, Honeypoppy, and I know it. I need to see the glass as more than half full.

Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life.


I'm going to write my autobiography and call it: How I Became Skate, I and II

jomamaah you are on fire today, i'm floored i really am :shesaid: i thnk i love you :biggrin:

jomamaah you are on fire today, i'm floored i really am :shesaid: i thnk i love you :biggrin:

and I love you right back. Today I am one rolling ball of hormones.

You're right, Honeypoppy, and I know it. I need to see the glass as more than half full.

Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life.


:41: Oooh, nice way of putting it Joey

Have we seen this season 3 promo? I picked up on the two "Cons" in the voice-overs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRux0v7PWtg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fspoilerslost%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F 2006%2F08%2Fseason%2D3%2Dpromo%2Dtrailer%2Ehtml

Have we seen this season 3 promo? I picked up on the two "Cons" in the voice-overs!

Lots of Jack in it.

Lots of Jack in it.

Want me to remove it ???

Welcome Irlandia, glad to have you here...please check out the first page of this thread for some valuable info...

Amen to that. Bring on the sex :D, and I dont think Skate could ever be boring, lol. One of the reasons I root for them as a couple is that they have so much inner turmoil and baggage, that theres always gonna be something rising to the surface (no pun intended),

Now my very dear GS, I know that pun was entirely intended...hehehe...just kidding...:hypocrit:

A couple has to have conflict to make them interesting for the writers and the audience .It's the conflict and connection that makes SKate so fascinating and unique.

Whoo hoo!!! A2M!!! You're here, life is good!!!

Has anyone heard from Lisa? :unhappy:.

it is coming my darlin' STH, I promise...

probably tonight

Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life.

I'm going to write my autobiography and call it: How I Became Skate, I and II

Joe, you're gonna make me cry...that is so right...and exactly on target. It's perfect...I'm so glad to see everyone here with such great stuff to talk about it. I'll be back a little later on this evening, I have some thoughts to share with everyone.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Oh, enough. There just ain't words to describe why Skate is right and Jate is wrong. They're all terrific characters, and I wish them all well.
this is a mild example but one that got reported and i must comment on.

people, stick with SKATE comments. please for the love of Pete or Sawyer or James
whoever. :p if you care to comment on the other ship please do so with respect no
matter how much you dislike it or think it is "wrong". do not ever suggest that
the fans of the other ship are *insert some insult here*. we (mini mods & UMods) are
trying very hard to keep the seas on the Fuse calm between the two ships.

so yeah. comment but do so respectfully. thank you.

Oh, gosh, halfrek--I'm sorry! :down: I didn't mean anything by it, I promise!

Lisa--thank you! :hug:

Here are some new season 3 promo pics!!!!

I wish they were larger...from what I can see Josh and Evie look so smokin'!!:cool: But, that's not a BIG shock

Here's the link: http://www.abcmedianet.com/ph_search/search_lv.htm?prog_num=001648&leftcol=links

Thanks guys. :smile:

I just want to see a good show. Sawyer and Kate, as much as I love the two are just a small portion of why I tune in. In essence, they are the icing on a very delicious cake. If the writers intend to put the two together, then like girlspy mentioned, they both have so much emotional baggage in which to delve into...they'll never become duIl to watch. To balance out the angst, they have a very natural ability in bringing out a very relaxed, playful, sexy side in one another when they act like normal people for a little while at least. :laughing: Naturally, that is a joy to watch, too.


For the record, I don't think Skate could ever be boring either... but in TV land... it's very hard for a couple to "last" ... because keeping them apart creates the big drama... it's just my hope that they don't do that... I think "Lost" is beyond the typical tv show... and I hope, and hope, and hope they won't put them together, just to break them up...

Good evening my dear outkasters...

For you reading pleasure, Chapter 23 is up at the UK board.

www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk)

Hope you enjoy it.

I also do not believe that Sawyer and Kate could ever be boring either.

Here's something to chew on. I was thinking the other day and mentioned this to Girlspy, Honey and Fricks. Sawyer seems to be under the constant belief that he doesn't do anything good and that he's a bad person. This however could not be further from the truth. He's a bad boy, yes, but not inherently bad, by any means. Which is very interesting because it's the exact same way of thinking that Kate has about her self which, she made clear in her delusion about Wayne.

I find all this terribly interesting because it takes me back to when I was a child and what we've always been taught. If you have children you'll see where I'm going with this. How easy is it teach your children to be bad? It's so easy you don't even have to, so it's just a given that children are going to misbehave. So what do we do, we teach them to be good. So what happens to a child who loses that supervision at a very early age, the inherent survival or what society refers to as bad behavior takes over, not only as a means of education but also as a defense mechanism for the child who can no longer depend on that parental guidance that he or she so desperately wants. So in the child's mind he is all alone and the rudimentary survial instincts must be used in order for the human being inside the child to survive and thus enabling the child to become an adult very quickly.

However in Kate's case, the child became an adult so quickly not for use in a survival sense, but in a protection sense. We find that as a young adult Kate made the concious choice to shift from child to protector so that she could protect her mother from Wayne which we know turned out to be her demise, since her mother turned her in for Waynes death. Which in turn, pushed her mother into the role of cross child and Kate as the adult. Because, what does a child immediately do, when the adult makes a choice the child doesn't like? The child goes into this mentality of "I'll show you." Which is exactly what Kate's mother did.

So what this leads me back to is the thought that both Sawyer and Kate are good people, very good people. The problem is that the have both been thrust into situations which neither one had any control over. They were forced to shift into roles which negated their abilities to think and reason as children and to grow up accordingly.

Just my thoughts, please elaborate if you would like to.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

OMG Lisa nail on the head here.

In both Sawyer and Kate's cases both of them were forced to grow up very quickly and essentially become adults before they were ready too, Sawyer at a much younger age than Kate, but it was no less damaging in either case.

When your a child all your values good and bad come from your parents or guardians. They are usually the counterbalance to everything else that you hear. And in cases of well-adjusted children the parent is there to reinforce the 'right' thing to do when the child is faced with a potential dilemna. In Sawyers case, his parents both behaved rather selfishly and as a result tragedy ensued and a child was orphaned and forced to survive pretty much on his own without much in the way of caring supervision or moral quidance. This trauma and the subsquent quilt involved, the sense of having done something bad to cause them to leave him could've have been counter-acted by a caring influence, but as is obvious there wasn't much of that. He had to learn his own values and make pretty much his own way pretty much from his 8th year and on, without anyone to counte-balance the negative aspects. And he was essentially robbed of any kind of normal childhood as a result, his knowledge of the world and it's essential brutalness came way too soon. He was essentially old before his time.

And in Kate's case you are right there Lisa she became the adult in that sesne. The responsible one, and her mother, and father the children. She was forced into the role of protector in a sense cause her mother either couldn't or didn't want to protect herself and her daughter. This was costly for Kate, cost her any chance at a normal kind of life and essentially killed anything she had to left to feel good about with regards to herself, her mother turning on her and turning her in was the ultimate crushing blow. Our parents are supposed to be there to protect us and watch out for us and in both their cases, neither set of parents were essentially there and this what results.

Two people who see themselves through distorted lenses, one who badly wants to be good, but thinks she isn't and another who believes there is nothing good in him at all. Neither one of them have ever had anyone tell them different unfortunatly. They are good, it is there, they just have to recognize it, and in both their cases, realize thtat is in fact 'what you do' but it's not 'who you are'

The thing about Tigers is that their stripes are on the outside, the outward appearance so to speak, that might not be able to change, so maybe that was correct, but the inside is what you can change, and in that case, well your a little off there pal. :biggrin: The good is on the inside, and it does shine through those stripes. It's not about changing the stripes, it's about changing how you view them..

Want me to remove it ??? Nah. Just noting that it opened and closed with Jack. I keep forgetting he is the hero. :)

Oh, THANK YOU, Lisa! :hug:

Chapter 24, now--end this beautiful story on a great note, OK? OK! :biggrin:


A thought of my own: if James & Kate realize that The Others are the totally evil people they (and we fans) thought they were, will it finally occur to them that maybe they, too, aren't totally bad? Which could be yet another bond between them? Which might lead to :love:?

Oh, THANK YOU, Lisa! :hug:

Chapter 24, now--end this beautiful story on a great note, OK? OK! :biggrin:


A thought of my own: if James & Kate realize that The Others are the totally evil people they (and we fans) thought they were, will it finally occur to them that maybe they, too, aren't totally bad? Which could be yet another bond between them? Which might lead to :love:?


You're very welcome STH, I hope you enjoyed it...I don't think it'll end with 24, but it won't be much longer after that.

That's a very good question which seems entirely possible.

The thing about Tigers is that their stripes are on the outside,
I agree with everything that has been said about our dear Skate, but Tigers are the only cats whose patterns are in their skin as well as their fur. They literally can't change their stripes. But that doesn't mean that Sawyer and Kate can't change..I think we see that they are already.

Any chance of Jack and James having a heart-to-heart talk in Chapter 24? You know, a :argue: that leads to a better understanding between them? Jack could tell James about how Kate was determined to be together with him (James) and to be a family, and how he (Jack) finally saw the light about her feelings--and via James' con to get Josh back, how much he truly loved Kate. They could shake hands and they'd say goodbye having made their peace with each other.

But there I go, writing your story for you. And YOU do that so much better than I can! So you write, and I will :book:!!

Originally Posted by joemamaah
Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life. I agree. I just may cry too. That was just perfect. joemamaah, I hope you don't mind but I quoted you on the LLL. Had to.

I agree with everything that has been said about our dear Skate, but Tigers are the only cats whose patterns are in their skin as well as their fur. They literally can't change their stripes. But that doesn't mean that Sawyer and Kate can't change..I think we see that they are already.

Exactly Perdue and i think the point i was making was the appearance is only skin deep. Underneath the sruface it's a different ballgame. They are capable of change, and have done it to a degree already, proving the statement wrong..

Like that glass of water Kate used to save Sawyer's life when she lovinly cradled his head in her arms, speaking gently and affectionately, and in a language meant only for him, to which he recognized . . . and responded. He drank her love as he drank her water. And by those acts of love, she saved his life.
:crybaby:
Joe, you should try your hand at a Skate fan fic! Or have you? If so, link, please!

Chapter 34 of Leah Kate's On the Road
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2581000/34/

:crybaby:
Joe, you should try your hand at a Skate fan fic! Or have you? If so, link, please!

Thank you!

I've never written a thing in my life when I didn't think it sounded stupid. Yesterday I was drunk emotions. I'm surprised I didn't delete it right after I submitted it.

I agree. I just may cry too. That was just perfect. joemamaah, I hope you don't mind but I quoted you on the LLL. Had to.

It's glad that you liked it enough to put on the LLL.

Any chance of Jack and James having a heart-to-heart talk in Chapter 24? You know, a :argue: that leads to a better understanding between them? Jack could tell James about how Kate was determined to be together with him (James) and to be a family, and how he (Jack) finally saw the light about her feelings--and via James' con to get Josh back, how much he truly loved Kate. They could shake hands and they'd say goodbye having made their peace with each other.

But there I go, writing your story for you. And YOU do that so much better than I can! So you write, and I will :book:!!

You know what STH, I hadn't thought about that but it's a great idea and I think it would work with the story just fine. So I'll make sure and give you credit for the idea when I write it. I haven't started it yet, but I should in the next day or so.

And you're not writing the story silly, you came up with a great idea that's going to be a welcome addition. Please suggest anything you want, and that goes for everyone else too.

Good morning, dear OutKaSters,

I hope everyone is fine today.

I totally agree with the assessment about tigers and I think another interesting point to consider as well, is perception. What we perceive to be true is not always true. so when we think of Kate and Sawyer we have to understand the way each is perceived.

For example in season 1 most of us didn't perceive Kate as the outlaw that she is but we did perceive Sawyer to be. Why? Because she didn't have the outward appearance we expected. Sawyer looked the part, he had the attitude and everyone found it so easy to believe. However, in reality Kate is more dangerous that Sawyer ever thought about being. That became evident in Season 2's What Kate Did, and in Season 1's Whatever The Case May Be.

We didn't realize until Season 1's Outlaws that Sawyer had killed Duckett but the key to remember her is he killed an innocent man, whom he wouldn't have killed at all if he had not been misled by Hibbs.

So I think it's not only important to understand the aspect of how each character is changing and how they are enlisting the help and support of each other to do it, but also the perception they have of each other and the overall perceptions of the rest of the survivors.

Okay, I don't know what's going on with me and these deep thoughts, but I seem to be on a roll here.

Off to read Leah's new chapter.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

You know what STH, I hadn't thought about that but it's a great idea and I think it would work with the story just fine. So I'll make sure and give you credit for the idea when I write it. I haven't started it yet, but I should in the next day or so.

And you're not writing the story silly, you came up with a great idea that's going to be a welcome addition. Please suggest anything you want, and that goes for everyone else too.

Good morning, dear OutKaSters,

I hope everyone is fine today.

I totally agree with the assessment about tigers and I think another interesting point to consider as well, is perception. What we perceive to be true is not always true. so when we think of Kate and Sawyer we have to understand the way each is perceived.

For example in season 1 most of us didn't perceive Kate as the outlaw that she is but we did perceive Sawyer to be. Why? Because she didn't have the outward appearance we expected. Sawyer looked the part, he had the attitude and everyone found it so easy to believe. However, in reality Kate is more dangerous that Sawyer ever thought about being. That became evident in Season 2's What Kate Did, and in Season 1's Whatever The Case May Be.

We didn't realize until Season 1's Outlaws that Sawyer had killed Duckett but the key to remember her is he killed an innocent man, whom he wouldn't have killed at all if he had not been misled by Hibbs.

So I think it's not only important to understand the aspect of how each character is changing and how they are enlisting the help and support of each other to do it, but also the perception they have of each other and the overall perceptions of the rest of the survivors.

Okay, I don't know what's going on with me and these deep thoughts, but I seem to be on a roll here.

Off to read Leah's new chapter.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

I, for one, am thankful for your deep thoughts. Gives us lots and lots of discussion material. ;)

I think it's interesting how the perceptions we make about others, our own circumstanes and experiences are as much a part of our ingrained instincts as our need for survival.

Appearances, as you mentioned play an even larger part since we're visual creatures. Mentally, I think people find it easier, safer for themselves when they can place people and situations in catergories. Good/Bad, Right/Wrong. It's a way we protect ourselves, and overall, it's usually a good thing except when those situations or that person/s are challenged...when the situation, person/s fit into any particular category.

Kate doesn't look the part of a criminal. Her demeanor, the general way she carries herself doesn't leave the impression that she's dangerous in any way. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Sawyer, on the other hand, looks every bit the part, as you mentioned. Nothing about his outward conduct suggests someone remotely capable of some of the rationale or compassion we've seen him display.

The writers have done a marvelous job presenting these characters, their actions and behaviors in an way that's very open for interpretation.

Man! I hate being away from this thread for too long, I have to spend hours catching up!!!! My damned computrer broke again! I think it may be on it's last legs :( Jeeze, now I've got to try and remember everything that has been posted, lol!

I can't remember who it was who posted that lost spoiler video but

some of it was taken from the lost experience video that my partners brother showed me, the bit about the numbers being the equation that predicts the end of the world, and what Dharma stands for etc. But as for the rest of it...it seems strange that some random kid would know all of that, it seems only people on the writing team would know that much info, and a lot of what he said seemed to just be going by general opinion based on the spouilers we already know!

Each new spoiler I read just seems to paint a better picture for skate happeneing, I read this new one today from spoilerfix.com

"It will be revealed that Jack has met one of "The Others" back in the real world; this will relate to why he is the only one they are able to cooperate with, although he will be extremely wary in the beginning. Get ready for politics-on-the-beach when the clique returns Jack-less and limping to confront a populace ready for regime change, and an aggressive new leader with a dangerous motivation"

Again semes to indicate that jack will remain with the others and kate and sawyer will return. Would seem silly making jack and kate a couple and then have him remain behind don't you think! This spioler has intrigued me though!

And that rude comment about skate only happeneing because they are poushing Jack out of the picture was by this guy who posts on the ABC forum. He seems to hate skate and it all sounds like sour grapes to me. Although it can't be easy for the jaters, with things sounding good for skate. And like he said, it does make me nervous that it looks so positive for them, but i don't think I can help getting just a little bit excited about the prospect of a skate relationship in all its glory!!!!

I think my head is too messed up to post anymore right now lol, so i think I'm gonna try and write chpater 40 of my fanfic, I can't believe how many chapters it is, considering like the title, it was only supposed to be just one night! Oh well, I'm making Jack loose the plot a bit which is always fun! Speak to y'all later :)

Why do all the positive Skate vibes from the spoilers make me worry that much more?:rolleyes:

Why do all the positive Skate vibes from the spoilers make me worry that much more?:rolleyes:


Because my dear Honey, the increase in the amount of how badly you want something, increases in direct proportion to the amount of the possibility that you might not get it.

However that IS NOT going to happen in this case, as there would be a posse sent out to ABC and the writers and I would "find that horse o'yours in the jungle and start leadin' the charge in a big white hat."

Because my dear Honey, the increase in the amount of how badly you want something, increases in direct proportion to the amount of the possibility that you might not get it.

You hit the nail on the head there Lisa!! ;)

Plus, we've been burned before. Things can change due to story or meta reasons. Remember we had those ones like 'Kate and Sawyer steam it up for May sweeps' , a 'wrench is going to be thrown between Jack and Kate' etc which never happened.

Best not to expect everything to pan out how we would like, just in case it's all just smoke and mirrors, or had to change late in the piece.

Still, things are looking promising that if nothing else, we are going to be in for an intense and action-packed ride.

You know what STH, I hadn't thought about that but it's a great idea and I think it would work with the story just fine. So I'll make sure and give you credit for the idea when I write it. I haven't started it yet, but I should in the next day or so.
As a seriously intense JuSter, Lisa, I thank you! :hugs:

Write as good as you can, as fast as you can! :wink1:

Good Evening dear outKaSters,

Okay y'all, I'm bringing this up now before anyone gets worried about it...There is a clip of an interveiw with Josh about Season 3 on www.eonline.com (http://www.eonline.com) in the Watch with Kristin area under TV. In this clip Josh says that he doesn't know why Kate gets to choose and he asks, "Suppose I tell her no and she should have chosen earlier." He also says he isn't sure he likes the idea of Sawyer being "tied down" and that he doesn't want him to get "soft and sappy". Now, before everybody has heart attack, let's think this through, this is the first and only, you hear that, the first and only word that it might not be Sawyer and Josh's comments certainly dont give us anything that's cut in stone, or any reason at all to make assumptions that it won't be Skate.

We all know what we believe and we know what we hope will be the answer. All I can say for sure is, like I said to begin with, this is the first word that has any remote possibility that it may not be Skate and that's hardly anything to bank on.

Remember what we've seen so far, if it was this obvious, it would be way too easy.

So keep the faith ya'll, and don't worry.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

right on LIsa :biggrin:

Josh talks like this all the time... he told one reporter that he's ready 'ignite something with Kate', and then says THAT to Kristen so take all with a grain of salt, Josh is a flirt and like to say thngs like that and then will trun around and say that Sawyer is 'in love' with Kate so i'm not worried myself

and besides there was too many spoilers favoring Skate out there, needed some balance to make it more intriguing and now we have it, thanks to Josh and that idiot Kristen and her 'insidery sources':rolleyes:


Keep up the positives vibes people :biggrin:

I'm beginning to be okay with whatever choice Kate makes. I realize it's heresy :), but if Josh is okay with Sawyer working out his redemption separate from Kate, then I will be too. I just don't want Sawyer killed off. And besides, even if Kate and Jack get together there is a long way before the end of the show and many things can happen. I'm ready for the ride.

Wouldn't make much of it, either way. The actors have learned how to mess with our heads, too! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the good word about fan-fic Kate in our PM discussion, Lisa! Any chance you could bring up
when the two of them were together on the Island? If you already have, I'm sorry. Missed it, somehow.

Is the present-day story gonna take precedence over the antebellum one, now? Don't see much more to say about Kate's dream story. (But you are welcome to pleasantly surprise me! :D)

Exctly Perdue...I agree with you completely...even our dear Josh has said that Sawyer will screw it up because that's what Sawyer does so I'm perfectly okay with that...and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he doesn't try to push her away once she is with him.

I'm like you, I want Josh on the show...I love SKATE for sure, but that's the icing on the cake to me.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Good Evening dear outKaSters,

Okay y'all, I'm bringing this up now before anyone gets worried about it...There is a clip of an interveiw with Josh about Season 3 on www.eonline.com (http://www.eonline.com) in the Watch with Kristin area under TV. In this clip Josh says that he doesn't know why Kate gets to choose and he asks, "Suppose I tell her no and she should have chosen earlier." He also says he isn't sure he likes the idea of Sawyer being "tied down" and that he doesn't want him to get "soft and sappy". Now, before everybody has heart attack, let's think this through, this is the first and only, you hear that, the first and only word that it might not be Sawyer and Josh's comments certainly dont give us anything that's cut in stone, or any reason at all to make assumptions that it won't be Skate.

We all know what we believe and we know what we hope will be the answer. All I can say for sure is, like I said to begin with, this is the first word that has any remote possibility that it may not be Skate and that's hardly anything to bank on.

Remember what we've seen so far, if it was this obvious, it would be way too easy.

So keep the faith ya'll, and don't worry.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

I Interpret this as just the opposite: Josh is saying that his "not wanting to be tied down" is what HE, Josh Holloway, wants. Now why would he think to state his wishes if that wish was already going to happen? If he was getting what he wanted, Josh would have considered that a secret, and not have mentioned it. But by stating his own opinion on the matter, Skating love must already be fact! It's like Josh, without realizing it, is complaining, very politely, that his wish isn't what's happening.

To put it more simply - if Kate was going to not "tie Sawyer down", Josh wouldn't have mentioned it at all. Kate will choose Sawyer.

Does that make sense?

Does that make sense?


Yeah, that makes sense! I hadn't think about it that way, but i think you're right. Maybe i shouldn't get my hopes up, but i can't help being optimistic, in spite of what Kristin said.

I just read the Kristin thing again, and I'm even more certain that if that was true, Josh wouldn't have said it.

Here's Josh's quote "I say Sawyer stands alone!" Josh told me with his signature sly smile. "I love Sawyer as a free agent. I don't want him all tied up, you know? Sappy. He can't be soft and sappy. I mean, come on. His stock would just [plummet], just drop!"



And Honeypoppy, that should alleviate your fears
Why do all the positive Skate vibes from the spoilers make me worry that much more?:rolleyes:

Josh is just kidding around with us, folks. ;)

We are all as frustratingly NOT sure of what's gonna happen as we ever were! :crybaby:

And I think we all have to remember that...

Even though Kate makes a "choice"...I don't think that ends the triangle once and for all. What if Kate chooses Jack and that's the way things are for a year or so...but then she ends up with Sawyer in the end? It's totally plausible...stuff like that happens all the time on TV shows.

And Honeypoppy, that should alleviate your fears

Thanks joemamaah! I'm feeling better already. :)

you know what joe i think you might be on to something there :biggrin: that makes perfect sense... i'm feeling even better now..

and Queenie that makes perfect sense too, i'm just sure i could deal with that for a whole season hehehehehehe:eek2: but i'd live as long as Sawyer was around causin trouble :biggrin:

Spoiler:
Even though Kate makes a "choice"...I don't think that ends the triangle once and for all. What if Kate chooses Jack and that's the way things are for a year or so...but then she ends up with Sawyer in the end? It's totally plausible...stuff like that happens all the time on TV shows.



Many things could happen before the end of the show. Enjoy the ride and don't get too stressed....:)

Okay, let's change focus for a while, shall we? ;)

We know that Sawyer's pre-island connection with Kate was Diane serving him lunch at the diner she worked at. What other pre-island connection do you all think they have?

Okay, let's change focus for a while, shall we? ;)

We know that Sawyer's pre-island connection with Kate was Diane serving him lunch at the diner she worked at. What other pre-island connection do you all think they have?

Agreed! :D

I still wonder if there is something to the fact that Tallahasee was mentioned in both of their pasts.

Agreed! :D

I still wonder if there is something to the fact that Tallahasee was mentioned in both of their pasts.

I wondered about that as well. I mentioned on Fanforum that perhaps Kate was the indirect cause for whatever went wrong with the Tampa job. That would be interesting.

Even though I am sure that they never directly met before the crash, I would love for them to have crossed paths during the Tampa job, wouldn't it be great if his 'birthday wish' he made four years ago really did relate indirectly to Kate hehe.

The recent spoilers are as expected. As long as it's written well, keeps Sawyer and Kate as major players and enables them both to achieve some character growth then I'll be fine with it. Of course, I still want them to realise how much they mean to each other, but am willing to put that on hold if it is not what the story demands right now. I mean sheesh they are going to be held captive by the Others, not exactly conducive to romantic declarations and such. *wink*

Even though I am sure that they never directly met before the crash, I would love for them to have crossed paths during the Tampa job, wouldn't it be great if his 'birthday wish' he made four years ago really did relate indirectly to Kate hehe.

The recent spoilers are as expected. As long as it's written well, keeps Sawyer and Kate as major players and enables them both to achieve some character growth then I'll be fine with it. Of course, I still want them to realise how much they mean to each other, but am willing to put that on hold if it is not what the story demands right now. I mean sheesh they are going to be held captive by the Others, not exactly conducive to romantic declarations and such. *wink*

No..no it really isn't.

I can't wait to find out what the "Others" do to them? I bet it's going to be some mind-bending craziness.

Even though I am sure that they never directly met before the crash, I would love for them to have crossed paths during the Tampa job, wouldn't it be great if his 'birthday wish' he made four years ago really did relate indirectly to Kate hehe.

Maybe they were in a pool hall together with Patsy Cline playing in the background.

I mean sheesh they are going to be held captive by the Others, not exactly conducive to romantic declarations and such. *wink*

Unless they're into bondage.

Kristen's column shouldn't bother anyone. Firstly because its Kristen and I don't think she knows who Kate picks. I don't even think they are filming that episode yet. Secondly, while I was reading her column I got the feeling that she was trying to throw ppl off. It was obvious misdirection. All spoiler/foilers have said Kate picks Sawyer even that Korbi person, then she comes back from Hawaii and says it doesn't look like Kate picks Sawyer. I love JH. I really do, but he doesn't know who she is going to pick and he is saying the same things. He wants Sawyer to be a lone wolf and not to be tied down. I don't think anyone should take his interviews too seriously.


I Interpret this as just the opposite:
Spoiler:
Josh is saying that his "not wanting to be tied down" is what HE, Josh Holloway, wants. Now why would he think to state his wishes if that wish was already going to happen? If he was getting what he wanted, Josh would have considered that a secret, and not have mentioned it. But by stating his own opinion on the matter, Skating love must already be fact! It's like Josh, without realizing it, is complaining, very politely, that his wish isn't what's happening.

To put it more simply - if Kate was going to not "tie Sawyer down", Josh wouldn't have mentioned it at all. Kate will choose Sawyer.


That is a interesting interpretation and one that could be right.

I would think that the mention of Tallahasee in both Sawyer and Kate's flashback is not an accident or at least I hope it isn't. I would like it if Sawyer and Kate crossed paths.

Wouldn't make much of it, either way. The actors have learned how to mess with our heads, too! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the good word about fan-fic Kate in our PM discussion, Lisa! Any chance you could bring up
when the two of them were together on the Island? If you already have, I'm sorry. Missed it, somehow.Is the present-day story gonna take precedence over the antebellum one, now? Don't see much more to say about Kate's dream story. (But you are welcome to pleasantly surprise me! :D)

Don't you worry, my dear STH, there is still some story to tell with the antebellum part...and as the dream winds down, the island dialogue will take over...I just had it set up that they were already together at the start of the story.

I Interpret this as just the opposite: Josh is saying that his "not wanting to be tied down" is what HE, Josh Holloway, wants. Now why would he think to state his wishes if that wish was already going to happen? If he was getting what he wanted, Josh would have considered that a secret, and not have mentioned it. But by stating his own opinion on the matter, Skating love must already be fact! It's like Josh, without realizing it, is complaining, very politely, that his wish isn't what's happening.

To put it more simply - if Kate was going to not "tie Sawyer down", Josh wouldn't have mentioned it at all. Kate will choose Sawyer.

Does that make sense?

My dear Joe, I think you nailed it baby...I never thought about it that way, but I'll bet you are absolutely right.

Okay, let's change focus for a while, shall we? ;)

We know that Sawyer's pre-island connection with Kate was Diane serving him lunch at the diner she worked at. What other pre-island connection do you all think they have?

Excellent Darbi, I'm so glad you put up such a great question....this is where our focus should be...weird I know, coming from me, since I'm the one who listed it all in the first place, but I did that so that no one would beat us to the punch...

Okay, on to answer.

Of course the first thing I think of is the mention of Tallahasse that Honey mentioned, but I also agree totally with what you were saying about the Tampa job.

There is also a connection that we've seen which was a little more understated that the glaring one about Diane. It came out in the I Never game. They've both killed someone, though not in the same way, but they have. Also another connection is that they both have conned people. Sawyer having conned all the women he's conned in his life, and Kate having conned the guy into helping her rob the bank.

So I consider both of those as connections as well, allbeit understated.

Unless they're into bondage.

Oooh Joe, you little devil, you!! :hide:

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

Kristen's column shouldn't bother anyone. Firstly because its Kristen and I don't think she knows who Kate picks. I don't even think they are filming that episode yet. Secondly, while I was reading her column I got the feeling that she was trying to throw ppl off. It was obvious misdirection. All spoiler/foilers have said Kate picks Sawyer even that Korbi person, then she comes back from Hawaii and says it doesn't look like Kate picks Sawyer. I love JH. I really do, but he doesn't know who she is going to pick and he is saying the same things. He wants Sawyer to be a lone wolf and not to be tied down. I don't think anyone should take his interviews too seriously.


Sorry to go back to this topic, I know you all want to move on but I just had to say this:
Right before Josh says he doesn't want Sawyer to become all sappy (as if Sawyer could become all sappy!) he did say he'd also like to explore the romance, he doesn't actually really mind what happens I think as long as Sawyer's character remains true to himself - he also definitely wasn't saying who Kate will choose however indirectly I think - he appeared to me to be just joking about the subject e.g. "why is it always the woman who has to choose?" etc. Anyhow, Joemamaah you could be right too with your interpretation of what he said. At the end of the day, we won't know anything for sure 'til the episodes air.... roll on October 4th!

As for connections pre-plane crash between Kate & Sawyer - I can't think of anything more than what's already been posted - Tallahassee and the Tampa job instantly came to mind when I read your question Darbi - unless Sawyer actually spotted Kate around the time he was in the restaurant that Diane worked in...

and to add to Lisa's type of 'connections' between the two, they both seem to have to had tough childhoods, with their parents perhaps not putting their child first - Sawyer's mother for having affair resulting in con, his dad for shooting his mother & himself leaving James parentless - and Kate's mother for remaining in what appears to have been a violent relationship with Wayne, also her dad - and God knows what he did to Kate!

Okay, let's change focus for a while, shall we? ;)

We know that Sawyer's pre-island connection with Kate was Diane serving him lunch at the diner she worked at. What other pre-island connection do you all think they have?

:wub: Great question as usual and we have all noticed the Tallahassee parallel. Being a Florida gal I always wanted to know more about that. Lost does eventually connect the dots...so maybe there is a connection there.

I love Zoriah's comment: "Even though I am sure that they never directly met before the crash, I would love for them to have crossed paths during the Tampa job, wouldn't it be great if the 'birthday wish' he made four years ago really did relate indirectly to Kate, hehe."

:devil2: Wouldn't that be great, haven't we all wondered just exactly what that birthday wish was?

BTW Darbi, I posted Chapter Seven of Obessions and Fantasies on the UK board earlier tonight -- hope you enjoy it!

Regarding Josh's comments to Kristin, I have a whole other take on it, which I expect many won't agree with...

I think he is not just talking about his character being tied down...I think this comment might show some inner conflict.

This is a vibe I've occasionally gotten. It's very subtle but that's what I've picked up. Now I could be wayyyyy off-base here, but I don't think it's completely inconceivable.

So it's important to look at the entire context around what someone says. Because people make observations and comments that are informed from their own life.

Just something to ponder and mull over....

Just a friendly reminder that Kate was buying a bus ticket to Tallahassee. There's no reason to believe she'd ever been there before. There's no reason to believe she wasn't. If she'd been there before, and James was there at the same time, I doubt they'd have had any contact. Maybe she showed up at a party just as James was leaving to "par-tay" with the woman who gave him the STD! They never saw each other; they are just there on screen together for two seconds.

If Kate had ANYTHING to do with the Tampa job, James would remember her. He will never forget ANY detail about the Tampa job--which the LOST honchos BETTER let us in on, too
. . .this very season! :mad:

Me, I don't think James and Kate ever actually crossed paths before they both wound up on the Island. But who knows? This is LOST, after all! :10:

STH, I think we were all talking indirect connection rather than them actually meeting each other.

Hypothetical example:

Like let's just imagine for a sec that Sawyer was passing through when Kate crashed Tom's car into another car when she fled the hospital with him. If that bronze car had contained Sawyer, or Hibbs (or even the car BEHIND that car) and delayed them from making an important meeting and thus gave a bad initial impression...

Ok well Sawyer met Kate's mom briefly in a diner, most likely in Iowa, at least i would asume. If it's the same diner that she working in when Kate blew up Wayne that would another connection in that sense. We don't know how long ago the events in TLC took place, they don't give a time frame for that. He could've been in Iowa the same time Kate was. Who knows really? The only reason i can't be sure if was the same diner was cause in TLC it was daytime and in WKD it was night.

The Tallahasee thing was interesting cause they both brought it up. Kate was stopped BEFORE she boarded the bus. Meaning that maybe she could've met him there sort by chance had she been able to get there. Just speculation.

Other than the obvious criminal pasts, and bad childhoods, and that vague 'birthday wish' he mentioned, which btw could've been just a typical Sawyer thing about wanting to be tackled by a girl or something :rolleyes: , those are the main connectons, unless there's another to be revealed.

And Zoriah great hypothecial scenario, you just never know seein as how like i said, he WAS in Iowa at one point.....

Sorry to go back to this topic, I know you all want to move on but I just had to say this:
Right before Josh says he doesn't want Sawyer to become all sappy (as if Sawyer could become all sappy!) he did say he'd also like to explore the romance, he doesn't actually really mind what happens I think as long as Sawyer's character remains true to himself - he also definitely wasn't saying who Kate will choose however indirectly I think - he appeared to me to be just joking about the subject e.g. "why is it always the woman who has to choose?" etc. Anyhow, Joemamaah you could be right too with your interpretation of what he said. At the end of the day, we won't know anything for sure 'til the episodes air.... roll on October 4th!

Thanks for putting that up MSF, you're right he did say that...and until I've been shown otherwise, I'm going to keep my faithe right where it is.

Excellent observations everyone!! We do have an intuitive bunch here, don't we?

Okay here's something I was thinking about the other day. We all know that in typical Sawyer style, Sawyer will push Kate away from him when she does make her "choice", so what I'm wondering is how long will he do this and will he ever push her away totally?

I think he'll do it for a while, simply because he doesn't think he's worthy of being loved and doees think he's capable of actually loving someone himself, even though he wants to be loved so much by Kate and so deeply wants to ove her.

I also think it won't be terribly long before he realizes what he's doing. I mean we already know that he loves her and we know that no matter how many times he pushes her away, she always comes back but I just wonder how long it's going to take to deal with all that.

I'm off and runnin' for a while, see y'all later.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

In regards to another pre-island connection, or paths crossing between S/K, I've always had this scenarios in my head that Kate, for a short time mind you, stripped to make some fast cash.

Hey, fugitive on the run, gotta do what she's gotta do.

So, Kate's doing her thing on stage, but part of her costume includes a mask that covers her just her eyes. Sawyer is there conducting "business". He casually notices Kate, but he's at a distance from the stage, so he can't make out any distinct features...just a hot body to which he may or may not make an off-handed comment about. Anyways, some drunk, sweaty guy starts getting overly aggressive during Kate's performace and starting getting grab happy, and before he knows it, Kate hauls off, tackles the guy and starts beating the snot out of him. This of course gets Sawyer's attention, because while he's admiring Kate's grit, he also realizes that as the manager or whomever tries to pull Kate off of the man, she's pickpocketing the guy, too. :laughing: That's when Sawyer makes his b-day wish comment.

Kate never sees him, he never really "sees" her face due to the mask, so their paths cross, but they don't really meet.

Just an idea...

In regards to another pre-island connection, or paths crossing between S/K, I've always had this scenarios in my head that Kate, for a short time mind you, stripped to make some fast cash.

Hey, fugitive on the run, gotta do what she's gotta do.

So, Kate's doing her thing on stage, but part of her costume includes a mask that covers her just her eyes. Sawyer is there conducting "business". He casually notices Kate, but he's at a distance from the stage, so he can't make out any distinct features...just a hot body to which he may or may not make an off-handed comment about. Anyways, some drunk, sweaty guy starts getting overly aggressive during Kate's performace and starting getting grab happy, and before he knows it, Kate hauls off, tackles the guy and starts beating the snot out of him. This of course gets Sawyer's attention, because while he's admiring Kate's grit, he also realizes that as the manager or whomever tries to pull Kate off of the man, she's pickpocketing the guy, too. :laughing: That's when Sawyer makes his b-day wish comment.

Kate never sees him, he never really "sees" her face due to the mask, so their paths cross, but they don't really meet.

Just an idea...

Darbi - I LOVE that scenario, and also cabn see Kate having to resort to things like pole dancing etc whist on the run. It wouldn't be beyond the relams of possibilty for her character by any means!

I can't really think of any connection apart from those that have already been mentioned. I do like the idea of sawyer's b-day wish comment relating to something that has passed between them!

As for the interview with Kristen...I don't think that it means anything, he did say he liked the idea of exploring bothy aspects, and was just commenting on the fact that I agree with, why does it have to be Kate's cvhoice, in a way iut would serve her right if one of the men tiold her where to go for stringing them both along for so long!

Darbi interesting scernario there, could be very possilbe, smell a potential AU fic from someone teeehee :biggrin:

and Lisa i think he'd continue to do it for quite awhile. For someone like him whose never really felt loved or wanted it would a take a very long time to undo that kind of attitude. As bad as being on your own and neglected is he's at least comfortbable with that. I think he will always sabatage anything good that he has be conciiously or unconciously unless he could be made to understand that he does in fact deserve it.
The one thing that Kate has really shown with him, and i think he's aware of this on some level, is that his heart is still alive and that he capable of loving someone. And i think part of him does take comfort in that. In the facct that he can still feel. And that tthere is still hope for him, even if he dosen't think so.

Still not October 4 yet, huh? :sadwalk:

The one thing that Kate has really shown with him, and i think he's aware of this on some level, is that his heart is still alive and that he capable of loving someone. And i think part of him does take comfort in that. In the facct that he can still feel. And that there is still hope for him, even if he dosen't think so.

:shesaid:

Fricks: Lisa and I were just today discussing the "hug scene" and came to a new revelation about the emotional context of that encounter. What we both found unbelievable is that Sawyer could comfort Kate in the way he did. Having most likely never experienced that level of care and concern himself. It certainly seems as if there was no one there to hug him or show any love and care for him when he lost his parents. He was still able to see Kate's despair and instinctively responded to it by taking her in his arms and holding her. From somewhere deep inside of him; he was able to pull out an empathy for her that he never experienced himself, but surely needed.

And, he could do this even in the context of believing she had chosen Jack and was therefore lost to him. Yes, his heart is still alive and it is going to be both fightening and wonderful when he truly becomes aware of it.

He was still able to see Kate's despair and instinctively responded to it by taking her in his arms and holding her. From somewhere deep inside of him; he was able to pull out an empathy for her that he never experienced himself, but surely needed.

And, he could do this even in the context of believing she had chosen Jack and was therefore lost to him. Yes, his heart is still alive and it is going to be both fightening and wonderful when he truly becomes aware of it.
Excellent point. It shows that he is capable of self-sacrificing love even though he does not see that in himself. It was a wonderfully revealing moment for both of them. He truly put aside himself for Kate at that juncture.

I loved that moment. He truly was there for her when she needed emotional comfort. And I defy anyone who asserts he would have done the same if it was Claire or Hurley. No. Kate is the only person he knew well enough and was close enough to that he could do that and not appear out of character doing it. Claire or Hurley he might give a sympathetic glance to. But a full on, 'hold you until you cry yourself out on my shoulder' hug? No way. For me it was a wonderful step forward for him, showing how even though he was really jealous of Jack/Kate, he wasn't going to punish her for it, and he put her needs above his own.

Wow, this is such a great discussion to have. I love that scene!! It was definately one of my favorites.

Ann (losttvfan) and I were talking about this earlier and I so agree with Zoriah and Fricks, whe we talk about how much of a milestone this was for him. I think it speaks volumes for Sawyer's character when we talk about what he did at that time. He could see how upset Kate was and he did the one thing that he had never had. He was the rock so she could lean on him, which I would just about imagine no one has ever done for him.

One thing that I think is so interesting, and we've touched on this before, is the fact that an 8 year old would be told at his mother's funeral about his parents getting conned out of their money. First of all, I think that's in the worst possible taste to talk about at a funeral and secondly, how terrible is it to tell that to an 8 year old?

Also, if you haven't picked up your copy of TV Guide this week do it, there is a bonus DVD on the cover that has some great scenes in it, my personal favorite being a deleted scene between Jin, Sun and Sawyer.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

oh the hug, guys i'm in agreement with everyone on this. It was a wonderful moment for him and her too. With all the pain he was goin through, feeling guilty over Ana's death and the distinct possibility that he'd lost Kate, all the pain, jealousy and anger was put aside to comfort her. When as someone said (sorry if i can't remember which one) that he'd probably received little of that in his life, and threefore may not have known precisely how to give it out. I don't think anyone would've blamed him for wanting to be alone and leaving her to herself. But he didn't. He saw her crying and took care of her, gave her support when she needed it, in spite of what he was feeling. That's love to me...:biggrin:

And Lisa i agree, that was terrible that someone would not only say something like that at a funeral, esp to a child who'd just been through a trauma. An 8 year old child at that. He no business knowing that stuff at his age, and once again no one looked out for him at all. And he therefore gained knowledge at an age and at a time when he had no real capabiltiy of processing it normally. The language in the letter was that of a child, one that knew far more than he should've IMO

That hug was one of the pivotal character moments of Season 2, no doubt about it!

I so look forward to seeing the two of them take on The Others this fall! :thumbup:

oh the hug, guys i'm in agreement with everyone on this. It was a wonderful moment for him and her too. With all the pain he was goin through, feeling guilty over Ana's death and the distinct possibility that he'd lost Kate, all the pain, jealousy and anger was put aside to comfort her. When as someone said (sorry if i can't remember which one) that he'd probably received little of that in his life, and threefore may not have known precisely how to give it out. I don't think anyone would've blamed him for wanting to be alone and leaving her to herself. But he didn't. He saw her crying and took care of her, gave her support when she needed it, in spite of what he was feeling. That's love to me...:biggrin:



I completely agree. :bowdown: That hug was definitely one of the best skate scenes ever. And i have to say that i wouldn't have expected this hug. I was pleasantly surprised, and i think this scene is evidence of Sawyer's evolution, in comparison with the beginning of season 1.

I loved that scene, definetly one of the most touching skate moments ever. It was so incredible the way the actors expressed so much with little gestures, like Kate turning away at first when she saw sawyer, she was obviously ashamed to have broke down infront of him and maybe thought he would tease her about it, but instead her wordlessly took her into his arms, and the affectionate way her smoothed down her hair as he guided her head. And then the best bit was when she wrapped her arms around his arm and ckung to him. Why can I just not amange h=to see Jack doing that to her, and her responding in such an open way. The only time I remember her breaking down like that infront of jack was when he repetitively shouted at her until she admitted who the plane belonged to. Then he just left her sobbing by herself. What a nice guy.

Actually I think he did berate her for leaving Sawyer and demand to know what she had done in WKD, when he grabbed hold of her to prevent her from running from him, grappled with her and did sort of try to offer comfort which resulted in a crazed kiss which made her look even more confused and horrified which she ran from....


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oh the hug, guys i'm in agreement with everyone on this. It was a wonderful moment for him and her too. With all the pain he was goin through, feeling guilty over Ana's death and the distinct possibility that he'd lost Kate, all the pain, jealousy and anger was put aside to comfort her. When as someone said (sorry if i can't remember which one) that he'd probably received little of that in his life, and threefore may not have known precisely how to give it out. I don't think anyone would've blamed him for wanting to be alone and leaving her to herself. But he didn't. He saw her crying and took care of her, gave her support when she needed it, in spite of what he was feeling. That's love to me...:biggrin:


Definitely love. Even if there was nothing else between Kate and Sawyer, this scene proved that he has a soft spot for her at least. And as we do know everything that has happened between the two, that scene confirmed again to us that there is a special connection between them :hug: :msn-wink:
100%
Actually I think he did berate her for leaving Sawyer and demand to know what she had done in WKD, when he grabbed hold of her to prevent her from running from him, grappled with her and did sort of try to offer comfort which resulted in a crazed kiss which made her look even more confused and horrified which she ran from....


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Yes Zoriah, this was such a different sort of hug between Jack & Kate, probably because it appeared that Kate was so confused and in a hyper/crazed state at the time too - it didn't have the calming effect on her that maybe it should have anyways..? This could have been the effect that the writers intended to have with the way that scene played out and/or maybe they wanted to leave it open to interpretation too...

It was so incredible the way the actors expressed so much with little gestures, like Kate turning away at first when she saw sawyer, she was obviously ashamed to have broke down infront of him and maybe thought he would tease her about it, but instead her wordlessly took her into his arms, and the affectionate way her smoothed down her hair as he guided her head. And then the best bit was when she wrapped her arms around his arm and ckung to him.

Why can I just not amange h=to see Jack doing that to her, and her responding in such an open way. The only time I remember her breaking down like that infront of jack was when he repetitively shouted at her until she admitted who the plane belonged to. Then he just left her sobbing by herself. What a nice guy.

Oh ravenmoon, how well you put it - in these two separate relationships - how much more crystal clear can it be?

Well, I for one thought the hug scene was icky! I mean, the only reason why Kate clung to Sawyer's arm was because he didn't want to touch his nasty leg. He had banged Ana Lucia in the jungle only a few hours prior, remember?

Kidding, kidding. Seriously, the hug scene was probably one of the most touching scenes these two have shared. After being so confused with where the writers took Sawyer's character after 'TLC' and trying to attest more meaning for his motivations (sorry, pissing off Jack, being pissed about his stash, or even his need to be hated...the writers are smarter than that, and so is Sawyer's character) in pulling the gun heist to begin with, it was nice to see them bring his character back around to the man we were just beginning to know again.

What I liked best about the hug was the wordless exchange. Despite his guilt over Ana Lucia, Libby or jealousy over Jack and Kate, he put his feelings aside and comforted her because it was what Kate needed.

Very touching.

But, in all seriousness, I did read that comment about Sawyer's nasty leg on another forum though. Bizarre, huh?