it has to happen, there has to be an airing out otherwise it's unresolved. Understanding is only reached through confrontation. Whatever way she goes she has to deal with Sawyer and his issues, as well her own with him. It's the only way they can move forward together, or move on separatly. Cause if that stuff is not dealt with any relaionship is gonna be short lived for her with either one. They are too caught up in it now.

Why am I getting the omnious feeling that Kate's going to eventually screw ( I don't mean literally) herself out of any respectful relationship she might have with both of these men before the series is over?

Well, Kate was wearing a skirt in the bank robbery, so a dress isn't entirely out of the question.

cause she probably will, she dosen't know what she wants from one day to the next. Alot has been picked upon with the guys in this triangle but Kate is just as responsible for the mess that it is. She's a very mixed up person that's for damn sure.

Kate is just as responsible for the mess that it is
Yep. Last time I checked she was DOING the kissing in both instances. Sure Sawyer "blackmailed" her into the kiss, but his hands were literally tied and she could have given him a sisterly peck on the cheek and called it good. And she was the one grabbing Jack. So while the guys have their part in this, Kate has been just as active as the rest in creating a triangle.

If not more so.

She's the common denominator in this formula, and while she's not the only one who can, or should put an end to this mess by deciding they've had enough, she's the only one who can assure either of what she truly wants under no uncertain terms.

Of course, that all hinges on the fact that Kate ever figures out what she truly wants from herself primarily, then from a relationship with a guy.

True, Perdue! I suspect
the wardrobe isn't chosen by her own free will this time, though! Connection to her backstory in Eppy 3.1, maybe?

Personally, I think that The Others are continuing to bite off more than they can chew, just like they did when they grabbed Walt! :rolleyes:

You know where I come from there's an old sayin' that a cowboy can't right two horses with one saddle...which basically means you gotta make a choice.

I'm wondering if it might get to the point where she hims and haws around so much that neither of them want her...

Now wouldn't that be interesting?

Not that I'm waivering from my belief in what I think will happen, but I'm just saying it could be very interesting.

Okay outkasters...we need some SKATE love so being the ultra-romantic that I am, I had to do a love video...and I did it to Faith Hill's Breathe...that is just the most romantic song...

I hope you enjoy it, and October 4th is only 28 days away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRT5wvLm80

Huggs,
Lisa

Just bringing this over if noone else caught it yet, Gregg Nations answered a skate question posed by Mylene as to why Kate was searching through the bottle in ...And Found.

What I thought was happening is Kate was hoping to find a letter from Sawyer to her. I don't think it was logical or well thought out, but that's the way it came off to me. I think she was hoping Sawyer wrote something either to her or about her.

Link to source here: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57168

It's nice to have our interpretations vindicated, if belatedly by the production staff. I remember there was quite some debate over whether Kate's actions had anything to do with her feelings for Sawyer, or if she was trying to make sure there was no incriminating note about her and so forth. Like the confirmation (from multiple sources) that Sawyer was in fact talking about Kate when he said 'I love her', this clarification should hopefully put any doubts at rest that some of us might have had about that scene.

I think it makes the parallels even more poignant between Kate searching for some keepsake, some scrap of Sawyer to hold onto, while Sun searches frantically for the symbol of her love and commitment to Jin which she has lost. I love that it wasn't rational or logical. That if she had stopped and thought about it, it would have seemed silly. But love does that to you. Kate's reaction was instinctive, visceral. The thought that Sawyer might have died, and that they hadn't had a chance to say goodbye on good terms was cutting her up.

Kate dealing with the potential loss of Sawyer is such a great counterpoint with Sun/Jin's love story in the episode and the adage 'if you love something let it go, and one day it will come back to you' . Kate and Sawyer's separation, their emotional link with each other despite being physically kept apart, is played up and then we get the beautiful reunion where Sawyer finally returns to her and is 'home' again.:inlove: :thumbup:

Of course our boy had to go and self sabotage himself with the Long Con, but it doesn't take away from the way the writers wanted to show the deeper connection the two shared, each being in each other's thoughts when the raft set sail, and afterwards. I personally still get a bit teary eyed when Kate and Jack are playing golf and she sees Sawyer for the first time, with Eko carrying him and all thought of anything BUT Sawyer is gone from her head. She drops everything to be with him, to make sure he lives, to nurse him and offer him comfort to the point of exhaustion herself. And then those wonderful smiles and all the touching when he finally does pull through and awaken properly. *sighs* How can anyone doubt just how much she cares for the guy?

OMG i'm still up and i can't sleep... too much caffiene..

Zoriah that was beautiful, such a nice confirmation of what we knew all along. These things were patently obvious but yet people doubted them for some reason. It's like they just simply couldn't except the possibitly of her caring that deeply for someone other than Jack, or that Sawyer did in fact love Kate. Which we now know is true. That love brought him back to her, and it saved his life. All this gives me is more hope, a belief that it can't be ignored. Kate was seraching for something from Sawyer that day, it wasn't thought out, it wasn't rational but it was something, an indication of deep feelings. And like you i get choked up when i see that scene too, when he was finally brought back to her, and she took care of him. I saw love there, and will continue to see it no matter what.. it can't be ignored. My heart just won't allow it...

and now i should go to sleep

Okay outkasters...we need some SKATE love so being the ultra-romantic that I am, I had to do a love video...and I did it to Faith Hill's Breathe...that is just the most romantic song...

I hope you enjoy it, and October 4th is only 28 days away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRT5wvLm80

Huggs,
Lisa

Lisa --- that hit the spot >• Thank you!




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Of course our boy had to go and self sabotage himself with the Long Con, but it doesn't take away from the way the writers wanted to show the deeper connection the two shared, each being in each other's thoughts when the raft set sail, and afterwards. I personally still get a bit teary eyed when Kate and Jack are playing golf and she sees Sawyer for the first time, with Eko carrying him and all thought of anything BUT Sawyer is gone from her head. She drops everything to be with him, to make sure he lives, to nurse him and offer him comfort to the point of exhaustion herself. And then those wonderful smiles and all the touching when he finally does pull through and awaken properly. *sighs* How can anyone doubt just how much she cares for the guy?

:blshing1: Zoriah: I am hanging on to the scene you just described until we get a better one; hopefully in S3. Her response to his return was the first time Kate totally lost control and openly let her emotions run free. Even Jack was surprised and shaken by her obvious relief, her tender care of his rival, and her utter lack of any ability, at that moment, to hide her feelings. The two of them spent some extended time just soaking up the joy of being back together and it was written on both of their faces during the walk outside of the hatch and in the haircut scene.

But our boy just had to screw it up, push her and everyone else away again.....but the "good thing you don't hate me Freckles" is very telling. He was pushing her away and at the same time reinforcing the bond between them, even he cannot bring himself to completely break. Contridicting his actions with his own words! Really saying 'I know you don't!' or asking 'you don't do you?' Drawing her back to him in typical Sawyer confusion and keeping Kate completely off balance.

Ying and yang, fighting an attraction they refuse to acknowledge, but are also utterly unable to deny. Yes, those two really are "beautiful mess".

I got my issue of In Touch Weekly for September 11 , Josh is number 3 and Evi is number 25 in a fan voted list of hottest bodies. I didn't know about the contest or I would have voted.

Celebs on list

25. Evangeline
14. Daniel Dae Kim
7. David Beckham
3. JOSH
2.Beyonce
1.Vanessa Millino

Of course our boy had to go and self sabotage himself with the Long Con, but it doesn't take away from the way the writers wanted to show the deeper connection the two shared, each being in each other's thoughts when the raft set sail, and afterwards. I personally still get a bit teary eyed when Kate and Jack are playing golf and she sees Sawyer for the first time, with Eko carrying him and all thought of anything BUT Sawyer is gone from her head. She drops everything to be with him, to make sure he lives, to nurse him and offer him comfort to the point of exhaustion herself. And then those wonderful smiles and all the touching when he finally does pull through and awaken properly. *sighs* How can anyone doubt just how much she cares for the guy?

Once again Z, beautifully put, and I just wanted to add, that not only was Sawyer slung back with the tailies heaving and hoeing him a good part of the way, but Eko specifically brought him back to Kate. So he was hand delivered to her in a sense, lol. Now if that doesnt say something about their relationship, I dont know what does. And the look on her face says it all. Seeing Eko, Im sure was a shock but then to realize tha it was Sawyers body he had slung over his shoulder, it was apparent that she was really shaken up. I think Eko did the right thing by bringing him back to her, cause Jack may have known the right medicine to take but Kate was the one who got him to take it. Dont doubt for a second that she cares for him. She even admitted to having feelings for him, and we all know the next step after having feelings for someone. ;)

God doesnt it just torture you to watch this? LOL, she wants him, but she is afraid of taking that risk, and he wants her but he doesnt think he deserves her or that she likes him. Heart wrenching I tell ya. :shakehead: God I love this show. :D

eta: Wonderful video Lisa, you always portray them so well. ;)

I love that line, "good thing you dont hate me Freckles" I agree with all of you that its very telling on Sawyers part about how he feels for her. Pretty much saying, Im a mess and a screw up, but if she doesnt hate him at the end of the day, then he still has a small shred of hope. So sad, but she never did confirm that she hated him. I think its quite the opposite actually. She wants to really badly, but her heart wont let her.:heart: :(

Thats awesome A2M, thanks for bringing that here. Congrats to Josh and Evi, we all know that they are beautiful people, lol.

God doesnt it just torture you to watch this? LOL, she wants him, but she is afraid of taking that risk, and he wants her but he doesnt think he deserves her or that she likes him. Heart wrenching I tell ya. :shakehead: God I love this show. :D

Beautifully said girlspy! And ain't it the truth! ;)

I love reading everyone's wonderful posts! Can't wait until we have new episodes to talk about. :biggrin:

Wonderful vid Lisa! :cool:


Yep. Last time I checked she was DOING the kissing in both instances. Sure Sawyer "blackmailed" her into the kiss, but his hands were literally tied and she could have given him a sisterly peck on the cheek and called it good. And she was the one grabbing Jack. So while the guys have their part in this, Kate has been just as active as the rest in creating a triangle.


I totally agree Perdue. That was the thing that always got me about the Skate kiss. She could have just made it short and sweet. It wasn't like he was in any position to stop her. But, she went in for the full kiss and let it deepen. That speaks volumes to me.
She was totally in charge in both cases. She really has kinda brought this on herself somewhat and now she's the only one who can end the mess it has become.

Okay outkasters...we need some SKATE love so being the ultra-romantic that I am, I had to do a love video...and I did it to Faith Hill's Breathe...that is just the most romantic song...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfRT5wvLm80



Jezebelle, :hug: I love me some Faith Hill. Next time use less jaq. :)

After viewing the bonus disc on the new DVDs, I saw something that gave me a whole new idea.

I don't know if this needs the fonting, but just in case. . . .
The deleted scene has Kate looking for scissors in the hatch to cut Sawyer's hair. Jack walks in and Kate starts acting all smiley. Girlish, you might say. After their pre-teenish exchange, and Jack walks out of the room. Kate, now alone in the room, loses her smile, and makes a face that appears to be sarcastic - a "like, whatever" expression before they cut away.

link to the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEPLkeKMmhA&feature=PlayList&p=6BA3A66AD3775656&index=1


Now early last season, there were a couple of times when Kate started behaving like a school girl with a crush every time she was near Jack - one was after the poker game when she wanted to go to the hatch for a shower, and then the net scene. Both of these times I was a little sickened by her silly behavior around Jack.

Now after seeing that deleted scene, I wonder if Kate is trying to pull something off on Jack, seeing now that the schoolgirl thing is just an ACT? Is she "conning" Jack for some purpose?

:blshing1: Zoriah: I am hanging on to the scene you just described until we get a better one; hopefully in S3. Her response to his return was the first time Kate totally lost control and openly let her emotions run free. Even Jack was surprised and shaken by her obvious relief, her tender care of his rival, and her utter lack of any ability, at that moment, to hide her feelings. The two of them spent some extended time just soaking up the joy of being back together and it was written on both of their faces during the walk outside of the hatch and in the haircut scene.

Never thought about this until today, but I love the build up to Kate's "breakdown" or "breakthrough" whatever you want to call it. It begins in '...and Found' where Kate discovers that the message bottle has watched up on shore. Thanks to that reply by Gregg Nations, we have confirmation (not sure who would dispute it) that Kate, although irrationally is looking for something, anything that may have been Sawyer's. Then there's 'Collison', and I can only imagine the flood of emotions that must have flooded through Kate upon seeing Sawyer slung over Mr. Eko's shoulders. From that point on, whatever feelings or emotions she had compartmentalized in regards to Sawyer came pouring out as she got him to swallow that pill and clung to him like she was trying to impress how sorry she was for not giving him a reason to stay. 'WKD' follows and all hades breaks loose (literally) and Kate finally faces her past, admits what she feels for Sawyer, and excercises one of her biggest demons.



But our boy just had to screw it up, push her and everyone else away again.....but the "good thing you don't hate me Freckles" is very telling. He was pushing her away and at the same time reinforcing the bond between them, even he cannot bring himself to completely break. Contridicting his actions with his own words! Really saying 'I know you don't!' or asking 'you don't do you?' Drawing her back to him in typical Sawyer confusion and keeping Kate completely off balance.

Ying and yang, fighting an attraction they refuse to acknowledge, but are also utterly unable to deny. Yes, those two really are "beautiful mess".


:hypocrit: Just a pair of hypocrites, they are. If only they would stop being so flippin' stubborn. :rolleyes:

:wub:
Josh has made the pages of two magazines out today on newsstands. Here is the photo from In Touch, ranking him #3 on their The List of Hottest Bodies:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/LostTvFan/JoshInTouch.jpg



And here is a full page photo from In Style in their What's Sexy Now issue:


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/LostTvFan/JoshInStyle.jpg


ENJOY! This is the best I could do with my cheap little scanner, I am sure the pictures will pop up everywhere!

Wow! Josh looks amazing in the What's Sexy Now shot!

afternoon folks :biggrin:

see we've been busy again..

God doesnt it just torture you to watch this? LOL, she wants him, but she is afraid of taking that risk, and he wants her but he doesnt think he deserves her or that she likes him. Heart wrenching I tell ya. :shakehead: God I love this show. :D


totally agree there Girlspy this a such a rollercoaster and it's good thing i like rollercoasters cause they keep throwing me for some major loops here.

and i love your beautiful point on Collison, Eko delievered him right to Kate. After seein the bottle she'd probably given up the idea of ever seein him again, and here he is bustin in on Jack and Kate yet again. Like the pain that he is. :biggrin:

But our boy just had to screw it up, push her and everyone else away again.....but the "good thing you don't hate me Freckles" is very telling. He was pushing her away and at the same time reinforcing the bond between them, even he cannot bring himself to completely break. Contridicting his actions with his own words! Really saying 'I know you don't!' or asking 'you don't do you?' Drawing her back to him in typical Sawyer confusion and keeping Kate completely off balance.

i love that pushing away, but not TOO far away thing. Probably drives her absolutly crazy i'd imagine. It's like 'i want your company but understand i don't want you in my head, kay? Cause i've got this screwed up ' i'm not worthy of caring about ' type thing here, but i can't bear to be away from you so lets hang out, not that that means anything mind you..' Sometimes you want to slap the boy silly cause he wasn't lying when he said 'i'm a complex guy, sweetheart'

I totally agree Perdue. That was the thing that always got me about the Skate kiss. She could have just made it short and sweet. It wasn't like he was in any position to stop her. But, she went in for the full kiss and let it deepen. That speaks volumes to me.
She was totally in charge in both cases. She really has kinda brought this on herself somewhat and now she's the only one who can end the mess it has become

just a little kiss huh? teehee She could've given him a nice little short 'muah' and have been done with it but nope she's gotta opt for the full-on 'if you weren't tied up who knows what might happened route' there. :biggrin:

Definatly got herself into her own mess there that's for sure. Oh Kate you little tease, it's time to deliver with one of these guys. Issues or no issues.

Joe that is quite the interesting theory there i'll have to watch that when i get the DVD :mad:
and Lisa once again, i LOVE that vid :biggrin:

:hypocrit: Just a pair of hypocrites, they are. If only they would stop being so flippin' stubborn. :rolleyes:

ah yes but where would be the fun in that Darbi? ;)

That's true. :biggrin:


Again I have to say, I so take great pleasure in their shared misery. :devil2:

does that make us bad people?

*thinks* :rolleyes:

naaaaaaaah dysfunction is always more fun to watch. :biggrin:

Am i werid to want to see them have a full on blow out type of fight, an angry exchange that lead to something else...

does that make us bad people?

*thinks* :rolleyes:

naaaaaaaah dysfunction is always more fun to watch. :biggrin:

Am i werid to want to see them have a full on blow out type of fight, an angry exchange that lead to something else...

If you're weird for thinking that Fricks, then I reckon most of the rest of us here are weird too - it sounds like the perfect, 'probable' solution for Skate - let's hope it happens... :thumb_up:

does that make us bad people?

*thinks* :rolleyes:

naaaaaaaah dysfunction is always more fun to watch. :biggrin:

Am i werid to want to see them have a full on blow out type of fight, an angry exchange that lead to something else...


Is that a trick question? Of course you're weird for wanting to see that. However, you're amongst a bunch of other weirdos who want to see the same thing. :laughing:

I have a couple of options on how this blowout begins:

Sawyer: "(Bleep), Kate! What the hell do you want from me?"
Kate: "Why? Why the hell did you lie to me about Ana Lucia?" (this one would be followed by a sufficient length of awkward silence)
Sawyer or Kate: "Oh, you know what? Screw you!"
Sawyer: "You want to talk about the truth? You sure about that, sweetheart?"

Hey everyone!

has anyone seen the Best Buy bonus disc/ deleted scenes? I'm itching to know what y'all think about what I noticed with Kate - it's posted on the preceding page...

There could be a lot of interpretations, most being on the pro-skate side.

Hey everyone!

has anyone seen the Best Buy bonus disc/ deleted scenes? I'm itching to know what y'all think about what I noticed with Kate - it's posted on the preceding page...

There could be a lot of interpretations, most being on the pro-skate side.

i did see that scene Joe very interesting indeed.. i'll spoiler font my specutlation just to be safe..

it was like an eye roll of some sort, like she was annoyed with his intrustion or just annoyed period.. i don't know whether it was nefarious or not but it sure looked like Jack got on her nerves a bit there to me, it was kinda like ' go away will ya?' kinda look

Darbi i like the arguement so far... do continue ;)

does that make us bad people?

*thinks* :rolleyes:

naaaaaaaah dysfunction is always more fun to watch. :biggrin:

Am i werid to want to see them have a full on blow out type of fight, an angry exchange that lead to something else...

Ummm...no, you are deffinately not wierd. Or then again maybe we all are. Hee ;)

Very nice Darbi! I'm with Fricks, please continue. :D

i did see that scene Joe very interesting indeed.. i'll spoiler font my specutlation just to be safe..

it was like an eye roll of some sort, like she was annoyed with his intrustion or just annoyed period.. i don't know whether it was nefarious or not but it sure looked like Jack got on her nerves a bit there to me, it was kinda like ' go away will ya?' kinda look

I doubt this needs spoiler fonts, too, but I'm playing it safe!!
Do you think that around Jack she behaves childishly, or is it just me? I saw it here just as I have seen it before towards the end of last season. The eye-rolling right after the cuteness stood out to me. It's like she's putting on an act.
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[QUOTE=Darbi;1156086]Is that a trick question? Of course you're weird for wanting to see that. However, you're amongst a bunch of other weirdos who want to see the same thing. :laughing:

I have a couple of options on how this blowout begins:

Sawyer: "(Bleep), Kate! What the hell do you want from me?"
Kate: "Why? Why the hell did you lie to me about Ana Lucia?" (this one would be followed by a sufficient length of awkward silence)
Sawyer or Kate: "Oh, you know what? Screw you!"
Sawyer: "You want to talk about the truth? You sure about that, sweetheart?"

To see anything involving passion between those two--- count me in, I'm weird:eek2:

Am i werid to want to see them have a full on blow out type of fight, an angry exchange that lead to something else...

What have I been saying this whole time fricks??? LOL, totally I think a BIG fight, nice blow by blow action and verbal copulation ended with a physical tension release is just what they need. ;)

Skate minds :D

Zoriah that was beautiful, such a nice confirmation of what we knew all along. These things were patently obvious but yet people doubted them for some reason. It's like they just simply couldn't except the possibitly of her caring that deeply for someone other than Jack, or that Sawyer did in fact love Kate. Which we now know is true. That love brought him back to her, and it saved his life. All this gives me is more hope, a belief that it can't be ignored. Kate was seraching for something from Sawyer that day, it wasn't thought out, it wasn't rational but it was something, an indication of deep feelings. And like you i get choked up when i see that scene too, when he was finally brought back to her, and she took care of him. I saw love there, and will continue to see it no matter what.. it can't be ignored. My heart just won't allow it...


Awwwwh!:love: The silly kids so need to let each other know how they feel. The writers have gone out of their way to let the audience, and certain characters like Sun, Ana, and most importantly Jack know that deep feelings exist between the two of them. It's canon. This isn't some fly by night, physical attraction by any means. It's not about Sawyer just wanting to get into a girl's pants. It's not about Kate just wanting a brother to hang out with. No matter how hard people try to spin it into such, I think it's been made clear both on and off screen that Sawyer/Kate is very much a major romantic pairing on the island.

:blshing1: Zoriah: I am hanging on to the scene you just described until we get a better one; hopefully in S3. Her response to his return was the first time Kate totally lost control and openly let her emotions run free. Even Jack was surprised and shaken by her obvious relief, her tender care of his rival, and her utter lack of any ability, at that moment, to hide her feelings. The two of them spent some extended time just soaking up the joy of being back together and it was written on both of their faces during the walk outside of the hatch and in the haircut scene.

But our boy just had to screw it up, push her and everyone else away again.....but the "good thing you don't hate me Freckles" is very telling. He was pushing her away and at the same time reinforcing the bond between them, even he cannot bring himself to completely break. Contridicting his actions with his own words! Really saying 'I know you don't!' or asking 'you don't do you?' Drawing her back to him in typical Sawyer confusion and keeping Kate completely off balance.

Ying and yang, fighting an attraction they refuse to acknowledge, but are also utterly unable to deny. Yes, those two really are "beautiful mess".

I love that: just soaking up the joy of being back together. It really was their honeymoon period and that warm closeness was lovely to watch. People say that Sawyer should have made a move there, but the point is, it's not about taking advantage of Kate's more overt attention she's paying him. It's not about the sex. Although of course a deepening of intimacy with a kiss or whatever would have been wonderful to see. I think it's a matter of Sawyer being unsure of why Kate has suddenly glomped onto him. When he observes the Jack/Ana exchanges, and realises Kate's on the outs with Jack, understandably he's a little wary of why the increased flirty closeness. And sadly, later on he probably felt vindicated that he didn't try to start something when she was all scrambling for any scrap of approval/attention/forgiveness from the good doc, and took off for the net hike.

Once again Z, beautifully put, and I just wanted to add, that not only was Sawyer slung back with the tailies heaving and hoeing him a good part of the way, but Eko specifically brought him back to Kate. So he was hand delivered to her in a sense, lol. Now if that doesnt say something about their relationship, I dont know what does. And the look on her face says it all. Seeing Eko, Im sure was a shock but then to realize tha it was Sawyers body he had slung over his shoulder, it was apparent that she was really shaken up. I think Eko did the right thing by bringing him back to her, cause Jack may have known the right medicine to take but Kate was the one who got him to take it. Dont doubt for a second that she cares for him. She even admitted to having feelings for him, and we all know the next step after having feelings for someone. ;)

God doesnt it just torture you to watch this? LOL, she wants him, but she is afraid of taking that risk, and he wants her but he doesnt think he deserves her or that she likes him. Heart wrenching I tell ya. :shakehead: God I love this show. :D

I love that line, "good thing you dont hate me Freckles" I agree with all of you that its very telling on Sawyers part about how he feels for her. Pretty much saying, Im a mess and a screw up, but if she doesnt hate him at the end of the day, then he still has a small shred of hope. So sad, but she never did confirm that she hated him. I think its quite the opposite actually. She wants to really badly, but her heart wont let her.:heart: :(


I also love the fact that he shoved her away hard in TLC but was unable to completely cut her off. He's in love, and so he has to still try to keep one unsevered chord of connection to her, like a little kid who is screaming 'I hate you, go away', and then as you turn to walk away his hand comes out and latches onto your wrist completely belying what he's just said.

They are both drawn to each other, forming the kinds of connections and feelings that are growing too deep to ignore, but for the kinds of people they are - nomads, manipulators, users, troubled souls - it's gotta be the scariest thing they've faced. Because it's something they can't run from. Not when they are stuck on an island. Not when the person they are falling for is right there, every day.


I totally agree Perdue. That was the thing that always got me about the Skate kiss. She could have just made it short and sweet. It wasn't like he was in any position to stop her. But, she went in for the full kiss and let it deepen. That speaks volumes to me.
She was totally in charge in both cases. She really has kinda brought this on herself somewhat and now she's the only one who can end the mess it has become.

I think it's good that we remind ourselves of this. Kate has shown that she is attracted to both men. She's kissed both men under extreme circumstances. Both times it was less than ideal, however it was HER choice. It's time she stopped stringing them both along and finally sorted out just who she feels is right for her for now. Of course I believe it is Sawyer, however, I won't rule out the possibility that she thinks she wants/deserves Jack. Or that he might be better and more stable for her in the long run. Let's face it, Sawyer would be high maintenance with all his baggage. Still, sometimes it's all about following your heart, accepting the risk and accepting that it won't be easy.

After viewing the bonus disc on the new DVDs, I saw something that gave me a whole new idea.

I don't know if this needs the fonting, but just in case. . . .
The deleted scene has Kate looking for scissors in the hatch to cut Sawyer's hair. Jack walks in and Kate starts acting all smiley. Girlish, you might say. After their pre-teenish exchange, and Jack walks out of the room. Kate, now alone in the room, loses her smile, and makes a face that appears to be sarcastic - a "like, whatever" expression before they cut away.


Now early last season, there were a couple of times when Kate started behaving like a school girl with a crush every time she was near Jack - one was after the poker game when she wanted to go to the hatch for a shower, and then the net scene. Both of these times I was a little sickened by her silly behavior around Jack.

Now after seeing that deleted scene, I wonder if Kate is trying to pull something off on Jack, seeing now that the schoolgirl thing is just an ACT? Is she "conning" Jack for some purpose?

I agree that that last look of Kate after Jack had left spoke volumes as to how she was putting on an act just prior to it. However, I don't think she was having a nefarious purpose about it. I think she was waiting for Jack to bring up the fact she kissed him, gave him a horrified look and ran away. Or at least make some mention of it. But instead he was all friendly but cool and 'see ya later'. I think she was a little annoyed at his avoidance.

And I agree though other times she pulled the cutesy act, most likely it was a combo of trying to regain some of their earlier camaraderie, and possibly an attempt to disarm him into letting her back into the loop about what was going on in the hatch. She's damn good at making men feel special and important. Remember what the Marshall said to Jack in warning in the beginning of the show, not to be taken in by her. "No matter how she makes you feel..."

Sorry for the double post but I went over the character limit for once. Whoooo! Go me!!! :biggrin:

Never thought about this until today, but I love the build up to Kate's "breakdown" or "breakthrough" whatever you want to call it. It begins in '...and Found' where Kate discovers that the message bottle has watched up on shore. Thanks to that reply by Gregg Nations, we have confirmation (not sure who would dispute it) that Kate, although irrationally is looking for something, anything that may have been Sawyer's. Then there's 'Collison', and I can only imagine the flood of emotions that must have flooded through Kate upon seeing Sawyer slung over Mr. Eko's shoulders. From that point on, whatever feelings or emotions she had compartmentalized in regards to Sawyer came pouring out as she got him to swallow that pill and clung to him like she was trying to impress how sorry she was for not giving him a reason to stay. 'WKD' follows and all hades breaks loose (literally) and Kate finally faces her past, admits what she feels for Sawyer, and excercises one of her biggest demons.

:hypocrit: Just a pair of hypocrites, they are. If only they would stop being so flippin' stubborn. :rolleyes:

Oh believe me, I have read some interesting theories about why Kate was desperately looking for a message in the bottle. Most of which completely take the action out of the true context of the scene itself. Anything can be spun/interpreted differently when you do that. It usually involves an elaborate speculation of something not relevant at all to what's going on in the scene with Sun (remember her and her lost wedding ring, and the bottle signifying her husband might be dead?), the topic of discussion (wedding ring lost, raft possibly wrecked, fate of the men unknown), or the theme of the episode (which was about dealing with loss). Kate looking for an incriminating letter she wrote to a contact? Why the hell did she put it there in the first place and why would she suddenly want it back now? Does not logically compute. Kate looking for something relating to Jack and his life off the island??! Please. This scene was about the people on the raft who were important to Sun and Kate (Jin and Sawyer) being potentially LOST, that was the specific context. If Kate was so curious she could have asked Jack since he was still accessible to play golf with.

She's frantically searching for something from Sawyer, Sun asks her what's wrong. Kate confesses she never said goodbye. Sun correctly guesses, 'Sawyer?'. Kate nods mutely, her emotions in turmoil.

How could it be any less clear??:lol: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a duck is just a duck. But no, it can't be that simple can it?

totally agree there Girlspy this a such a rollercoaster and it's good thing i like rollercoasters cause they keep throwing me for some major loops here.

and i love your beautiful point on Collison, Eko delievered him right to Kate. After seein the bottle she'd probably given up the idea of ever seein him again, and here he is bustin in on Jack and Kate yet again. Like the pain that he is. :biggrin:

i love that pushing away, but not TOO far away thing. Probably drives her absolutly crazy i'd imagine. It's like 'i want your company but understand i don't want you in my head, kay? Cause i've got this screwed up ' i'm not worthy of caring about ' type thing here, but i can't bear to be away from you so lets hang out, not that that means anything mind you..' Sometimes you want to slap the boy silly cause he wasn't lying when he said 'i'm a complex guy, sweetheart'

Definatly got herself into her own mess there that's for sure. Oh Kate you little tease, it's time to deliver with one of these guys. Issues or no issues.



God am I loving the rollercoaster ride. There is no denying that choosing to be with Sawyer is risky as hell, and fraught with all kinds of emotional hazards and minefields to negotiate. Sawyer will screw up on occasion. It's a given. Kate will too. They will fight. They will have a thousand things to sort through and get past. They will be passionate with each other, whether it be in an argument, an intense discussion or something intimate. They can't not get a proverbial electro- static charge from each other. In both the positive and negative ways.

And yet I still can't help but feel as though the struggle would be worth it. Hopefully they both think so too, and take that chance.

Whoa, Zoriah! just one more post & you'll have pretty much locked up page 129!

I love it, though!

After viewing the bonus disc on the new DVDs, I saw something that gave me a whole new idea.

I don't know if this needs the fonting, but just in case. . . .
The deleted scene has Kate looking for scissors in the hatch to cut Sawyer's hair. Jack walks in and Kate starts acting all smiley. Girlish, you might say. After their pre-teenish exchange, and Jack walks out of the room. Kate, now alone in the room, loses her smile, and makes a face that appears to be sarcastic - a "like, whatever" expression before they cut away.

link to the scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEPLkeKMmhA&feature=PlayList&p=6BA3A66AD3775656&index=1


Now early last season, there were a couple of times when Kate started behaving like a school girl with a crush every time she was near Jack - one was after the poker game when she wanted to go to the hatch for a shower, and then the net scene. Both of these times I was a little sickened by her silly behavior around Jack.

Now after seeing that deleted scene, I wonder if Kate is trying to pull something off on Jack, seeing now that the schoolgirl thing is just an ACT? Is she "conning" Jack for some purpose?

:rolleyes: Joemamaah: Thanks for posting that! Just picked up the S2 DVD today, so I hadn't seen it, until I clicked on your link. The look on her face, when Jack's back is turned, IS priceless and puts an entirely new spin on her "girlish" behaviour around him last season! It does appear to be an "act" on her part, how VERY interesting.

Pretty darn interesting too -- that they would include that scene on the DVD????

Pretty darn interesting too -- that they would include that scene on the DVD????

I think they cut it, because the casual way in which Jack acted, like nothing happend, might fit to the end of the episode, when he gives the pills to Sawyer while Kate is watching her work (so Jack found out what she needed the scissors for sooner or later) but not to his behavior of anger and jealousy towards both Sawyer and Kate during the next episode. But Kate's look at the end definitely shows, that she did not enjoy that awkward encounter.

Sorry, that is really no answer to the question, just something I wanted to add. But as far as I know, it is not one of the regular deleted scenes, but from a extra bonus DVD. Maybe after they used all the other deleted scenes for the DVD and the TV-guide extra DVD, they had to use what they had for that.

Are the deleted scenes from the TV Guide DVD included in the set?

Hello ebbybuddy...

I have so much to catch up on but I wanted to put up this quick post and tell ya'll about something I noticed last night. I watched the yahoo teaser link that's been posted. My question is this, and Fricks and I talked about this last night, is it just me or does the dress that Kate's wearing resemble the one Leah Kate described in In Hiding. Remember, the "watching the fireworks" scene?

Just wondered if anybody else noticed that??


Girl, hush your mouth! I was just thinking about that. How flattering, yet slightly creepy. :eek2:

Hey everyone!

has anyone seen the Best Buy bonus disc/ deleted scenes? I'm itching to know what y'all think about what I noticed with Kate - it's posted on the preceding page...

There could be a lot of interpretations, most being on the pro-skate side.

Better spoiler-font here just in case:
Joey -
I don't think it was nefarious either - I think that look was like Kate was saying "so much for that" or "what the hell was that about?" 'cos of the way Jack carried on as if he was ignoring what happened when Kate kissed him. She was putting on a bit of an act too but I think this may be because she didn't know how else to react at that time too but generally I think she does act around Jack anyway - I this this could be because she's not entirely comfortable around him while at the same time wanting/ trying to be in his good books. The difference here again is that there's no need for her to put an act on with Sawyer 'cos they fit right in around each other as we've said before here

Lisa, in answer to your latest question - I never thought of that when I saw the promo as it all went by so fast, but now that you mention it, from what I saw of it, that dress could very well resemble Leah Kate's description of that dress. That would be so brilliant if TPTB are taking note of such things, is it possible??

Hi All, was just reading the last 10 or so pages, trying to get caught up. I love discussions like these.

See, if I were Kate (referring to that scene in TLC when Kate confronts Sawyer) I would have said, "Why is it so important for you to hurt me? Why do you hate me, Sawyer?" Because I would have wanted to force a discussion but instead of trying to make Sawyer look at how he feels about himself, I'd want him to explain (or confront) his feelings about what he did TO ME.

Now that might have gotten an interesting reaction because Sawyer would have to say *something* in response. He'd have to admit he doesn't hate Kate at all...he'd have to address the issue of hurting Kate and it would have gotten him talking in some way perhaps. I dunno. Maybe not, but it's an interesting psychological twist I would have loved to see play out and then seen what Sawyer would do with such a reaction.

On another note, Sawyer's behavior reminds me of the typical behavior described in the book, "The Dance Away Lover." They only want you when you're not hanging around (it's the push/pull of rel'ps). The balance is/was off between them. In season #1 Sawyer had to do the work to be around Kate and to get her attention. In season #2 Kate was literally draping herself over Sawyer time and time again. He didn't have to work to 'get' her attention and her time. And Sawyer NEEDS a challenge. He, like many men, appreciate a woman when they have to put effort and work into 'winning' her. I hope some balance is restored in S3 between them. Let Sawyer be the man and let that man do the chasing to get his woman. It's instinct; it's primal; and Sawyer is nothing if not a man in the wild!! :biggrin:

On another note, Sawyer's behavior reminds me of the typical behavior described in the book, "The Dance Away Lover." They only want you when you're not hanging around (it's the push/pull of rel'ps). The balance is/was off between them. In season #1 Sawyer had to do the work to be around Kate and to get her attention. In season #2 Kate was literally draping herself over Sawyer time and time again. He didn't have to work to 'get' her attention and her time. And Sawyer NEEDS a challenge. He, like many men, appreciate a woman when they have to put effort and work into 'winning' her. I hope some balance is restored in S3 between them. Let Sawyer be the man and let that man do the chasing to get his woman. It's instinct; it's primal; and Sawyer is nothing if not a man in the wild!! :biggrin:

I agree that men love to do the chasing LottaMoxie and Sawyer certainly doesn't appear to be any different in that way, but I also think that he thinks he doesn't 'have' Kate either. Even though she was around him a lot more last season, Sawyer still seems to believe that Kate doesn't 'want' him but rather Jack instead - so it could well be that he will still be the one who has to do the work into 'winning' her as Kate doesn't appear to be convincing him that he could 'have' her - not yet anyway - who knows what will happen next season? I think Kate still represents a challenge for him anyway, it might be more a case of that he needs to believe he's good enough for her first of all. I do like your 'let that man do the chasing to get his woman' - I hope we can see more of that type of action too ;)

Hello ebbybuddy...

I have so much to catch up on but I wanted to put up this quick post and tell ya'll about something I noticed last night. I watched the yahoo teaser link that's been posted. My question is this, and Fricks and I talked about this last night, is it just me or does the dress that Kate's wearing resemble the one Leah Kate described in In Hiding. Remember, the "watching the fireworks" scene?

Just wondered if anybody else noticed that??

:clap:Zoriah

Girlspy and I have come to the conclusion that you need a standing ovation for that post...Now I really do feel like the kid who got into Harvard by cheating on the SAT's. :ntworthy:

I found it very interesting what you said about the notes that Kate was looking through, personally I think she was so afraid she'd never see Sawyer again, that she was willing to get her hands on anything that would give her a connection to him...and you're so right, she wanted to have something that would be a part of the person on the raft that she cared for and that was Sawyer.

I also think it's going to be angry and passionate and messy and absolutely beautiful to watch. They're both going to have such a hard time and such a mess to deal with, with their own issues and baggage that it's not going to be easy, but that's what makes it so great.

And let's be honest y'all, love is not like a story book, it hurts, it screws things up, it makes you feel like you can't breathe, it makes you happy, it does everything that makes you act stupid and then turn right around and make you prove how special it is to you and how much you can't even think without it. These two make the perfect love story. It's not all hearts and flowers and it's not star crossed lovers running through the clover. It's angst and anger and passion and beauty and pain and suffering and it's all those things that make love the best thing there is.

So the bottom line of all of this to me is one thing...and that is the completely, totally, absolutely undeniable truth that these two can't take their next breath without each other...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Hi All, was just reading the last 10 or so pages, trying to get caught up. I love discussions like these.

See, if I were Kate (referring to that scene in TLC when Kate confronts Sawyer) I would have said, "Why is it so important for you to hurt me? Why do you hate me, Sawyer?" Because I would have wanted to force a discussion but instead of trying to make Sawyer look at how he feels about himself, I'd want him to explain (or confront) his feelings about what he did TO ME.

Now that might have gotten an interesting reaction because Sawyer would have to say *something* in response. He'd have to admit he doesn't hate Kate at all...he'd have to address the issue of hurting Kate and it would have gotten him talking in some way perhaps. I dunno. Maybe not, but it's an interesting psychological twist I would have loved to see play out and then seen what Sawyer would do with such a reaction.

Oh, if only they would have had the time. That would certainly have been one intense conversation. Something tells me it would have ended pretty much the way it did. A pissed off Kate walking away and a sullen, obstinate Sawyer rooted to his spot.

Future episode, forthcoming argument where events unfold with a different dramatic flare, perhaps? :shrug:

On another note, Sawyer's behavior reminds me of the typical behavior described in the book, "The Dance Away Lover." They only want you when you're not hanging around (it's the push/pull of rel'ps). The balance is/was off between them. In season #1 Sawyer had to do the work to be around Kate and to get her attention. In season #2 Kate was literally draping herself over Sawyer time and time again. He didn't have to work to 'get' her attention and her time. And Sawyer NEEDS a challenge. He, like many men, appreciate a woman when they have to put effort and work into 'winning' her. I hope some balance is restored in S3 between them. Let Sawyer be the man and let that man do the chasing to get his woman. It's instinct; it's primal; and Sawyer is nothing if not a man in the wild!! :biggrin:


Men do love the chase, don't they? Question is, what happens after the chasing is done? Hmm...

Great conversation, ladies--even if it took forever to catch up! :wink1:

Girl, hush your mouth! I was just thinking about that. How flattering, yet slightly creepy. :eek2:


SKATE minds, Darb!!!!

SKATE minds, Darb!!!!


Kind of a scary place. ;)


Hey, could someone please pm and tell me how you merge posts. I've tried, and I can't make heads or tails of it.

Kind of a scary place. ;)


Hey, could someone please pm and tell me how you merge posts. I've tried, and I can't make heads or tails of it.


:bulb: When you find that out Darbi, please share the answer because I don't have a clue and it frustrates me! BTW, I just posted Chapter Ten of "Obsessions and Fantasies"!

:clapping: BRAVO OutKaSters, there are so many outstanding posts here today! I have really enjoyed catching up tonight!

ok to start with, gotta love those Skate minds think alike thing goin :naughty: if we are all goin to the fiery infrerno we might as well rent a bus for all of us.. i love having a place to go where people think just like me:biggrin:

ok first of all Zoriah absolutly brilliant post :clapping: :clap: you can take u p as much page space as you want we love readin that stuff.

i love the point about "..And Found' the whole epi was about losing something, and then finding it again. The scene with Kate going through the bottle was along the theme of that epi. She was essentially looking for Sawyer in that bottle, cause she'd lost him, just like Sun had lost Jin, Sun tore up the garden looking for the ring, and Kate tore through the bottle looking for something from Sawyer. It wasn't about some the object that they were looking for, it was what it represented to them. Niether one of them knew that Jin and Sawyer were on their way back. Locke told Sun earlier in the epi about how he found something, when 'i stopped looking for it' And that's essetnially what happend with Sun and Kate a few epis later. They stopped looking and what they'd lost came back to them.

that whold thing about Sawyer LottaMoxie does have some ring of truth to it, when he had her he had no idea what to do with her. It unnervved to have her essentially running after him instead of the other way aound. But i don't think it was so much the physical closeness it was more what it meant that freaked him out to a high degree, and in THP he really became aware of just how much he did care, er love her and that had to be a might scary. And the oft talked about scene in F+W with him and Hurley playing cards, which i remember discussiog on the ABC board after it aired, and was of course brought up here, was i think, was symbolic of how he feels about his chances there 'you gotta believe i'm gonna bust' was not a thrown away remeark. I believe it had a deeper meaning, and considering that epi aired right before TLC, it makes even more sense.

But i think your right, confronting him about how he felt about HER might have been a novel approach, instead of just asking about why HE felt that way. That allowed him to get into his usual mode of protection, cause he's used to feeling crappy about himself wheras it's pretty obvious that his feeling for her knock him for a definate loop and would've been a useful tool, but i doubt Kate was thinkinig along those lines at the time. She was too hurt to think too clearly.

And let's be honest y'all, love is not like a story book, it hurts, it screws things up, it makes you feel like you can't breathe, it makes you happy, it does everything that makes you act stupid and then turn right around and make you prove how special it is to you and how much you can't even think without it. These two make the perfect love story. It's not all hearts and flowers and it's not star crossed lovers running through the clover. It's angst and anger and passion and beauty and pain and suffering and it's all those things that make love the best thing there is.



and Lisa darlin, tonight your a genius for this beautiful assessment of why Skate is a such an epic love story, or could be if they give it the proper chance. Honey told me about a thing from Veronica Mars in which Logan says their love was epic 'wars, bloodshed etc..' and i think that fits Skate very well..

and Darbi we are waiting for that continuation of that arguement teeheee.. i particularly like the 'screw you' part :biggrin:

Funny you should bring up Veronica Mars. A friend and I have been cooresponding about the show over on LJ for the past week or so. I just recently got into the show. I downloaded and watched all of S1 this summer, and I'm half way through S2 now. We've been comparing how Veronica and Logan remind us both of Sawyer and Kate.

Of course they aren't quite as screwed up emotionally, but they have been through some pretty tragic events recently. She described them as having a ying and yang balance. They both get the others manners and actions, even their humor. Lilly's tragic death is a shared experience that will connect them forever, because of the effect it had on them both. It made Veronica stronger, tougher. Its effect on Logan from what I can tell, have been a necessary evil. The guy has some growing up to do, and a heap of demons to beat down.

One other thin about Logan, much like I felt concerning Kate initially (still hold some reservations about her to date) is still growing on me. However, I do enjoy his self-deprecating humor. It's helping to bring me around on him.

Hmm...more argument bits.

Kate: "This has NOTHING to do with Jack!"
Sawyer: "The hell it doesn't! It's always had something to do with Jack!"

Kate: "This has NOTHING to do with Jack!"
Sawyer: "The hell it doesn't! It's always had something to do with Jack!"

Hey Darbi - remind me where this scene is? It's bugging me that I can't remember what episode this is from! (and I call myself a Skater. . . :blush: )

Hey Darbi - remind me where this scene is? It's bugging me that I can't remember what episode this is from! (and I call myself a Skater. . . :blush: )

You can't remember the quotes because they haven't happened, and may never happen. They're just rambling from my over active mind of what I'd like to hear them say once they have that major blow out argument where all manner of issues should be discussed. ;)

You can't remember the quotes because they haven't happened, and may never happen. They're just rambling from my over active mind of what I'd like to hear them say once they have that major blow out argument where all manner of issues should be discussed. ;)

That is SO funny!! I've been sitting here for days, enjoying all the exciting ideas about passion, explosions, fighting, jumping each other and tree trunks.... and these two lines so totally sucked me in that I knew it had happened. How realistic that would that exchange be between Sawyer & Kate be! ha ha!

That is SO funny!! I've been sitting here for days, enjoying all the exciting ideas about passion, explosions, fighting, jumping each other and tree trunks.... and these two lines so totally sucked me in that I knew it had happened. How realistic that would that exchange be between Sawyer & Kate be! ha ha!


Very realistic. Nothing short of explosive for these two.

I have so much to catch up on but I wanted to put up this quick post and tell ya'll about something I noticed last night. I watched the yahoo teaser link that's been posted. My question is this, and Fricks and I talked about this last night, is it just me or does the dress that Kate's wearing resemble the one Leah Kate described in In Hiding. Remember, the "watching the fireworks" scene?

Just wondered if anybody else noticed that??

:clap:Zoriah

Girlspy and I have come to the conclusion that you need a standing ovation for that post...Now I really do feel like the kid who got into Harvard by cheating on the SAT's. :ntworthy:
)

Lisa, I totally thought that about

the dress

;)

And what she said Zoriah, standing ovation, lol. Wow girl I dont even know where to begin but I think Im just gonna sit back and let it absorb for awhile, lol. Seriously though :clap:

That is SO funny!! I've been sitting here for days, enjoying all the exciting ideas about passion, explosions, fighting, jumping each other and tree trunks.... and these two lines so totally sucked me in that I knew it had happened. How realistic that would that exchange be between Sawyer & Kate be! ha ha!

Hehe, I was confused there for a min too Joe, but then I realized that Darbi is just too dam good, lol. Im betting we will get a scene similar to that, cause those 2 have some serious pent up issues that they need to get out, and I doubt it will be anything but short and sweet. :D

Howdy my dear outkasters...

Our dear girlspy15, honeypoppy0212 and fricksgurl75 and I were talking about symbols of fertility and something hit me like a freight train (doesn't look like it left a bruise though...hehehe). Kate and Sawyer have both been associated with three symbols of fertility on the island, and they were together when it happened..

They were together when they saw the horse, and when they hunted the boar and he made the "it's about bunnies" comment to her.

Okay raise your hand if you think that means something. Now true, it could be just a case of "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck then it's a duck", though I have to admit I've never heard a duck talk, but I wonder...

What're your thoughts?

Howdy my dear outkasters...

Our dear girlspy15, honeypoppy0212 and fricksgurl75 and I were talking about symbols of fertility and something hit me like a freight train (doesn't look like it left a bruise though...hehehe). Kate and Sawyer have both been associated with three symbols of fertility on the island, and they were together when it happened..

They were together when they saw the horse, and when they hunted the boar and he made the "it's about bunnies" comment to her.

Okay raise your hand if you think that means something. Now true, it could be just a case of "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck then it's a duck", though I have to admit I've never heard a duck talk, but I wonder...

What're your thoughts?

Very interesting observation Ms. Jezz! I'm ashamed for not having noticed it myself.

Now ... if they'd only get on with the planting and fertilization, they could start a little garden. :biggrin:

well wheres Perdue when we need her? :biggrin:

i'm not good at the meanings behind those things but you add in the bananas and mangos, and of course strategically place fence posts :naughty: you've got a boatload of symbolism here. And it can't be accidental.

I know what bunnies represent but i need a refresher on the horses and the boars.. like i said, shall we leave that up to Perdue?

and God Bless those bunnies :biggrin:

Now ... if they'd only get on with the planting and fertilization, they could start a little garden. :biggrin:

now theres a wicked Skater thought.... i love it..;)

Boars have a correlation with fertility symbolism?

Boars have a correlation with fertility symbolism?

yes, indeed (http://www.geocities.com/reginheim/symbols.html)

yes, indeed (http://www.geocities.com/reginheim/symbols.html)


Shut. Up! :eek2:

So, the boar represents strength, adundance and protection are symbols of fertility. Would have never guessed.

Here's a few other describtions of the boar, all of them considered positive or good meanings.


Boars - In addition to representing fertility and wealth, boars symbolize courage and strong warriors. Great importance is attached to the bristles of the boar.

Boar - The warrior spirit, leadership, direction, lust, gluttony, fertility, prophecy, magic, protection, hospitality.

Horse - Stamina, mobility, strength and power, coping under difficult circumstances, love, devotion, loyalty, the land, travel. Life and death symbol, intellect, wisdom, power, nobility, energy, freedom, wildness, divination, prophecy, fertility.

And I thought I'd throw in tigers too since it's been brought up.

Tiger - Creator, destroyer, strength, ferocity, power, anger, power of Earth.

TIGER: loyal, courageous, energetic, strong, cunning. The tigress tends to be shrewish. <--Does Kate have shrewish tendencies?

And just for fun.

Rabbit-Fear, Overcoming Limiting Beliefs

Rabbit - Alertness, nurturing.

Just dropping off a Skate vid I threw together last night...

Pretty much what the title suggests...Sawyer gets dumped, and gets a 'brand new girlfriend'.

'Brand New Girlfriend' - Steve Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIL4eUquQk)

that is interesing to say the least...

Boars - In addition to representing fertility and wealth, boars symbolize courage and strong warriors. Great importance is attached to the bristles of the boar.

Boar - The warrior spirit, leadership, direction, lust, gluttony, fertility, prophecy, magic, protection, hospitality.


In Outlaws as we know Sawyer is harassed by one of these, it was only seen by him, and later on, Kate. Now this could be classic transferrance, Sawyer focusing on the boar cause it's something he has some control over. Feeling personally picked upon by it could be symbolic of his own guilt. But i like the fact that boars symbolisms tend to be postive, such as strength and protection. It's more of a male symbol i'd say, strenth, protectivness and a healthy dose of fertility.

Horse - Stamina, mobility, strength and power, coping under difficult circumstances, love, devotion, loyalty, the land, travel. Life and death symbol, intellect, wisdom, power, nobility, energy, freedom, wildness, divination, prophecy, fertility.

altight considering Kate seems to see this horse in particular instances, such as moments of extreme emotional distress it could be symbolic of being free. But i find interesting is this bolded part cause Sawyer saw it as well. She didn't see it when Jack was around, only with Sawyer, wonder if that has a deeper meaning here. I have no doubt it does. Considering no one else has seen it at all. It's Kates representative animal, and the fact that Sawyer saw it was not mere chance.

Tiger - Creator, destroyer, strength, ferocity, power, anger, power of Earth.

TIGER: loyal, courageous, energetic, strong, cunning. The tigress tends to be shrewish. <--Does Kate have shrewish tendencies?


Does the tiger quality not sound an awful like many of Sawyer basic qualities, the conflict of creator and destroyer. Strength and power, courageaous and cunning. Once i doubt that reference is accidental here. As far as Kate, maybe she does, i'm not sure of the exact definatin of shrewish, but she can be difficult on occasion..

Rabbit-Fear, Overcoming Limiting Beliefs

Rabbit - Alertness, nurturing.


considering where the bunnies were brought up that first one is very interesting... and the nurturing... well she certainly has done that occasion..

wow i think my brain just popped from thinking too much and i now i have to work LOL

Very interesting observation Ms. Jezz! I'm ashamed for not having noticed it myself.

Now ... if they'd only get on with the planting and fertilization, they could start a little garden. :biggrin:

oh that's very true...

and you can't just fertilize your garden once, because sometimes the seeds don't germinate, sometimes you have to do it over and over to get it to take.

any farmer can tell you that a lot of times it comes down to 1 part seed, 2 parts fertilizer and 3 parts prayer...

hehehehe

And I thought I'd throw in tigers too since it's been brought up.

Tiger - Creator, destroyer, strength, ferocity, power, anger, power of Earth.

TIGER: loyal, courageous, energetic, strong, cunning. The tigress tends to be shrewish. <--Does Kate have shrewish tendencies?

Now see I didn't know that about the tigers...I really like that...after all who else on our isaldn has the ferocity and anger if not our Sawyer.

And as for those tigress descriptions...that pretty much describes Kate to a tee.

Wow, Fricks. I got nothing to add to that one darlin, you nailed it big time!!! :thumb_up:

Now ... if they'd only get on with the planting and fertilization, they could start a little garden. :biggrin:


Damsel, I think you need to write a vigorous gardening poem. :Jumpy:
I would settle for a for a rhyme or limmerick Sawyer is very contrary and I'm sure you could work in cockleshells.



IceKat55 made a most awesome video. :clap:

Girlfriend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIL4eUquQk)

Wow! The descriptions of tigers, horses, boars, and bunnies fit our lovely couple and their situation so well.

Great video IceKat!!:D

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They were together when the giant bird flew overhead, too. Does that count for anything???



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Wow! The descriptions of tigers, horses, boars, and bunnies fit our lovely couple and their situation so well.

Great video IceKat!!:D

I was thinking it sounds like a zoo. Maybe it's part of the Dharma zooilogical project!

and. . .
Sawyer's in a cage in the zoo,

IceKat55 made a most awesome video. :clap:

Girlfriend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIL4eUquQk)

Thanks, glad you liked it! :hug:

That song cracks me up...and doesn't it just SCREAM something Sawyer would do? ;)

Icekat: That was a really awesome video. I love how you made the scenes fit with the song and also showed how much fun he was having with his new GF. And the smoochies! Yeah! I get such a kick out of the way Kate lights up when she's around him, it's so obvious in those clips you chose.

Icekat: That was a really awesome video. I love how you made the scenes fit with the song and also showed how much fun he was having with his new GF. And the smoochies! Yeah! I get such a kick out of the way Kate lights up when she's around him, it's so obvious in those clips you chose.

Thanks! Those kinds of Skate vids are fun to make, 'cause there ARE so many great clips of them laughing, playing and having fun together. :heart:

Ice, that video was too cute. ;) Love how all the clips fit the song just perfectly.

IceKat55 made a most awesome video. :clap:

Girlfriend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIL4eUquQk)

Aww, man that is so not fair!!! I used that same song and mine didn't come out half that good...:rotflmao:

Just dropping off a Skate vid I threw together last night...

Pretty much what the title suggests...Sawyer gets dumped, and gets a 'brand new girlfriend'.

'Brand New Girlfriend' - Steve Holy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvIL4eUquQk)

you did a great job IK, and I love that song...it's so them...I did one to it too, but I had Shannon as the one who dumped him...

Wow! The descriptions of tigers, horses, boars, and bunnies fit our lovely couple and their situation so well.

"Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!!"

They were together when the giant bird flew overhead, too. Does that count for anything???

Absolutely Joe, the bird was a screech owl and it represents death...

Have we seen this season 3 promo? I picked up on the two "Cons" in the voice-overs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRux0v7PWtg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fspoilerslost%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F 2006%2F08%2Fseason%2D3%2Dpromo%2Dtrailer%2Ehtml


What irritates me is that Kate isn't a convict: because she's never gone to trial she hasn't been convicted. But she definitely has conned someone before.

Man! I hate being away from this thread for too long, I have to spend hours catching up!!!! My damned computrer broke again! I think it may be on it's last legs :( Jeeze, now I've got to try and remember everything that has been posted, lol!

i know how you feel. :frown: School + Work = not enough computer time. Btw, i've got another job now working at the local ABC news. Funny, huh? Will be starting in a week and a half.

Wouldn't that be great, haven't we all wondered just exactly what that birthday wish was?
Birthday wish? When was this?

So, Kate's doing her thing on stage, but part of her costume includes a mask that covers her just her eyes. Sawyer is there conducting "business". He casually notices Kate, but he's at a distance from the stage, so he can't make out any distinct features...just a hot body to which he may or may not make an off-handed comment about. Anyways, some drunk, sweaty guy starts getting overly aggressive during Kate's performace and starting getting grab happy, and before he knows it, Kate hauls off, tackles the guy and starts beating the snot out of him. This of course gets Sawyer's attention, because while he's admiring Kate's grit, he also realizes that as the manager or whomever tries to pull Kate off of the man, she's pickpocketing the guy, too.

:roflmao: interesting scenario, but something tells me that Evi wouldn't be happy with it. :biggrin:

Does anyone happen to know who played the part of Jame's father in that scene? I keep thinking it might have been Josh, but I've never known. Any guesses?

i must admit that i never thought of that. :confused:

Now that I would love to see!

Personally, I don't see Sawyer directly saying, "Love you, Freckles." or some such. Like it's been mentioned, he's of a more demonstrative person.

i'm with the group that thinks Sawyer will demonstrate his love rather than say so... unless he slips up sometime and says something like "that's what i love about you" or some such.

I definitely would prefer Skate, but if Jate happens, then there is a reason for it and I'll just watch for more scenes of Sawyer with his shirt off character development for Sawyer.

i got the DVD on Tuesday and have already enjoyed a lot of the bonus disc. But it also occurred to me as i watched Jack, Sawyer, and Sayid swim out to the sailboat at the beginning of LTDA: why doesn't Jack ever take off his shirt? The only time i can think of is when Kate was sewing him up in the pilot. Not that i particularly care to see Fox bare chested but considering how much everyone else on the show goes topless i find it odd.

Hello SKaters :wavey: Eulana made this SKate family manip and I thought it should be posted here.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/Sawyerwallpaper/Sawyer%20Kate/eulana1.jpg

Wow, that's awesome. It doesn't look doctored at all.

Since this is so lengthy i'm going to post it (even though i'm only on page 108). i'm hoping to get caught up tonight.

By your command, a2m. :)

The Garden Path

Again, she left him furious
Again, he sat alone
Again, he suffered silently
And wished he could atone

Why would his tounge not speak the words
His heart longed so to say
Near desperate to pull her close
He e're pushed her away

If his heart could speak for him
She'd not believe it's claims
Of what he saw within her eyes
Or the honor of his aims

He saw in her, a garden
Tall and lush and green
With bursts of bloom more beautiful
Than any he had seen

The dancing violets in her eyes
The jasmine of her hair
Silken bird of paradise, her hands
Their touch, a gentle prayer

Like rows of cockleshells, her legs
Chrysanthemums, her hips
A graceful lily as a neck
Her soft carnation lips

No, she'd not believe it
No need to debate
He'd wait another day to walk
The garden path of Kate

IceKat - Loooved your vid! Great song! Awesome clips! Well done!!! :clapping:

In reading this part, it actually made me a little sad for Jack. I think Jack earnestly (much like everything else he does) wants to understand Kate, but up until now, he's been unable to do so. Part of problem in why he hasn't been able to, in my opinion, is due to him wanting this understanding of Kate to be on his own terms. Good intentioned or not, that simply doesn't work, and it's a rather unhealthy mindset to expect that it should.

See, i disagree that Jack tries to understand Kate: every time she's reached out to him he's shut her out and/or said he didn't want to hear it. Which is one of Jack's weaknesses. Anyways, i'm getting braindead so i'm going to take a break but i may return later in the evening.

Hey, could someone please pm and tell me how you merge posts. I've tried, and I can't make heads or tails of it.

I'd love to know how to do this too so if you find out Darbi, could you let me know too please? Thanks :biggrin:

Absolutely loved your vid IceKat - the lyrics very well matched the scenes you used ;)

Great deciphering of all the symbols too, never knew the real meanings - there are so many, it does appear as if it has to mean something too :grin:
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No, she'd not believe it
No need to debate
He'd wait another day to walk
The garden path of Kate

Great ode to Skate from Sawyer's view Sheba, especially love your last verse :)
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Why would his tounge not speak the words
His heart longed so to say
Near desperate to pull her close
He e're pushed her away


... and the second verse too - pushing her away with the one hand and pulling her back with the other, glad you got that in since we've been discussing that a lot here lately

Have y'all seen this yet? Nothing definative - just a cute answer, I guess:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57356

Sheba that was such a beautiful poem. I love the idea of him seeing her as a lovely wild garden. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Have y'all seen this yet? Nothing definative - just a cute answer, I guess:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57356

That was funny Joe - I like the take Gregg had on it. Don't think if we can take anything from it either, not like he's gonna tell us exactly what will happen but he used an interesting choice of words didn't he?

Anyway, here's another response from Gregg:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57366
I think he's smart & obviously well used to all the 'triangle' questions!

sheba, that poem...wow. Beautiful. :clap:

I feel sorry for Gregg. Poor guy must the severest case of tired head fielding all those questions concerning the love triangle. :hug:

I feel sorry for Gregg. Poor guy must the severest case of tired head fielding all those questions concerning the love triangle. :hug:

I feel sorry for him, too - especially since he's one of the few who actually is involved with the fans. Isn't there some kind of rule against posting shipper questions to the VIPs?

Aww, man that is so not fair!!! I used that same song and mine didn't come out half that good...:rotflmao:

you did a great job IK, and I love that song...it's so them...I did one to it too, but I had Shannon as the one who dumped him...


How did I miss it? I didn't see another Skate vid to that song (granted, I'm sure I didn't look everywhere!) - - can you post a link to yours? :)

Thanks to all, glad everyone liked it!

I loved it too!

What are you talking about Lisa? Clothes off our backs? I thought I had FINALLY got caught up on the thread, but I must have missed something. I will ponder symbolism of boars and horses tonight.

What are you talking about Lisa? Clothes off our backs? I thought I had FINALLY got caught up on the thread, but I must have missed something. I will ponder symbolism of boars and horses tonight.


Yes. It's from Clothes Off Our Backs. Apparently it's a shirt he wore in the Sawyer-centric Season 2 eppy that never aired and was replaced with Michael-centric Adrift.

How did I miss it? I didn't see another Skate vid to that song (granted, I'm sure I didn't look everywhere!) - - can you post a link to yours? :)

Thanks to all, glad everyone liked it!

Here you go hon, and trust me it's not impressive, but it's okay...yours is tremendously better, but here's the link anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJK7sIEUpo

Okay outkastters...my brain is on overload, I'll sleep on all this and come up with something else tomorrow...

Nighty night!

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

A bit off topic but, i was wondering why this thread got only 4 stars? :frown:

A bit off topic but, i was wondering why this thread got only 4 stars? :frown:

:frown: That IS interesting....hope someone knows the answer. What do the stars on the thread represent?

If you haven't voted yet for this thread, there is a white triangle right near the four stars. This drops down a voting grid. The more 5 star votes a thread gets the higher the average goes up.

If you haven't voted yet for this thread, there is a white triangle right near the four stars. This drops down a voting grid. The more 5 star votes a thread gets the higher the average goes up.

:1smiling: Car88win: THANKS! I just voted and and I bookmarked the link to your website; which I have never seen before. It looks loaded with great information. So thanks for the link too!

By your command, a2m. :)

The Garden Path

Again, she left him furious
Again, he sat alone
Again, he suffered silently
And wished he could atone

Why would his tounge not speak the words
His heart longed so to say
Near desperate to pull her close
He e're pushed her away

If his heart could speak for him
She'd not believe it's claims
Of what he saw within her eyes
Or the honor of his aims

He saw in her, a garden
Tall and lush and green
With bursts of bloom more beautiful
Than any he had seen

The dancing violets in her eyes
The jasmine of her hair
Silken bird of paradise, her hands
Their touch, a gentle prayer

Like rows of cockleshells, her legs
Chrysanthemums, her hips
A graceful lily as a neck
Her soft carnation lips

No, she'd not believe it
No need to debate
He'd wait another day to walk
The garden path of Kate


Damsel, :hug: You never let me down. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJK7sIEUpo


Wonderful :clap:



Multi-quote function

When you read posts and know you want to reply to several. Go to the bottom of each individual post on the right-hand side there is a symbol
" and +
click on that in every post you want to reply to and when you hit the icon to reply to the thread all the posts show up in the white box you reply in . :) I hope that is complicated enough.




Josh has a pic in this month's In Style , but he also has a Q & A.

What's always sexy?

Josh: "Confidence."

Sexiest Scent?

Josh: " The way my wife's hair smells."

Lingerie or Naked?

Josh: "Lingerie. It doesn't take much though. A little effort goes a long way."

Teenage Crush?

Josh: Olivia Newton-John, but in the poodle skirt and bobby socks."

Underrated?

Josh: "Semi-dirty talk. I like dirty talk with some class."

Most romantic gesture?

Josh: "When my wife makes me an Indonesian meal."

I just voted for 5 stars, too! Skate deserves that! :biggrin:

Yes. It's from Clothes Off Our Backs. Apparently it's a shirt he wore in the Sawyer-centric Season 2 eppy that never aired and was replaced with Michael-centric Adrift.

I haven't watched the entire Season 2 DVD, but does anyone know if some of this unseen Sawyer-centric episode is somewhere on it?

Here you go hon, and trust me it's not impressive, but it's okay...yours is tremendously better, but here's the link anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJK7sIEUpo


I think it's great, too!

If you haven't voted yet for this thread, there is a white triangle right near the four stars. This drops down a voting grid. The more 5 star votes a thread gets the higher the average goes up.

I voted just now - 5 stars, of course!!!

Multi-quote function[/B]

When you read posts and know you want to reply to several. Go to the bottom of each individual post on the right-hand side there is a symbol
" and +
click on that in every post you want to reply to and when you hit the icon to reply to the thread all the posts show up in the white box you reply in . :) I hope that is complicated enough.

I have used this multi-quote for the first time. Thanks for explaining how to do it!

Here you go hon, and trust me it's not impressive, but it's okay...yours is tremendously better, but here's the link anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytJK7sIEUpo


Thanks for the link...I loved it! Such a great song, TOTALLY suits Sawyer... :)

Thanks for the link...I loved it! Such a great song, TOTALLY suits Sawyer... :)
Good heavens, I've got about six pages to catch up on... with quotes and symbolism analysis and vids.... :eek2:

Just ran by to try to catch the last 10 posts or so, hoping not to get hopelessly out of date and spotted that little Josh interview. I adore how candid he is about being madly in love with his wife. THAT just makes Josh all the sexier, IMO. :biggrin:

I thought the same thing, Dez. I notice that he talks about her often in his interviews, which is so very cool.


Oh, and a2m thank you for the multi post explaination. Can't believe I never figured it out before now. ;)

A bit off topic but, i was wondering why this thread got only 4 stars? :frown:

:1smiling: Congrats Irlandia! Thanks to your post the OutKaSts thread now has FIVE (count them) :79::79::79::79::79: stars!

Just ran by to try to catch the last 10 posts or so, hoping not to get hopelessly out of date and spotted that little Josh interview. I adore how candid he is about being madly in love with his wife. THAT just makes Josh all the sexier, IMO. :biggrin:

It is so lovely that he adores his wife so much, except it makes me wish all the more I was that woman!! :5: :blshing1:

:1smiling: Congrats Irlandia! Thanks to your post the OutKaSts thread now has FIVE (count them) :79::79::79::79::79: stars!

Just voted too, may as well keep up the excellence rating :biggrin:

- Thanks a2m too for posting the multiquote instructions - I thought I saw it before ages ago and then I couldn't remember where it was I saw it, now I'm like "why didn't I notice that icon since?"! :redface:

It is so lovely that he adores his wife so much, except it makes me wish all the more I was that woman!! :5: :blshing1:



Mrs. Holloway does have a nice ring to it!! ;)

Mrs. Holloway does have a nice ring to it!! ;)

*sigh* Yes Joemamaah, if only we could be Mrs. Holloway! ;) :biggrin:

Now now. There's no crowding the poor boy. I for one, want him to mow my lawn.shirtless. smiling. oh, and sweating. :biggrin:

losttvfan - glad you stopped by and gave us a browse. We're constantly working on it to make it the best and most interesting site to use.

:shock: I found this VERY interesting and it is more of a "what's up here" than a spolier, as it IS a news story:


Is Boone going to be back on Lost this upcoming season? Check out this story from the Honolulu Advisor dated September 7, 2006. Note who Josh had dinner with, in Hawaii.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Sep/07/il/FP609070348.html

Yup on you-know-who. He was
there to film a dream/vision sequence for one of the first six eppys. Seems that when a LOST character dies, they stay dead. But not really! :D

Josh is like a schoolboy when talking about his wife. I like that in a man.

Hey, Lisa! :wavey: When do we get back to Vegas?

*sigh* Yes Joemamaah, if only we could be Mrs. Holloway! ;) :biggrin:

okay raise your hand if you'd like to take a turn at being "Mrs. Holloway."

Now now. There's no crowding the poor boy. I for one, want him to mow my lawn.shirtless. smiling. oh, and sweating. :biggrin:

losttvfan - glad you stopped by and gave us a browse. We're constantly working on it to make it the best and most interesting site to use.

*THUD* My next door neighbor had a handyman with Josh's body...I love to watch him, I just picture him with Josh's face...hehehe...:biggrin:

okay raise your hand if you'd like to take a turn at being "Mrs. Holloway."

*raises hand franticlly* oooo mememememe
I'm tellin ya i could get used to wakin up to that every monring... wouldn't need anyting else..:biggrin:



}*THUD* My next door neighbor had a handyman with Josh's body...I love to watch him, I just picture him with Josh's face...hehehe...:biggrin:
lucky you..... :naughty:

and i do agree he's just the cutest thing when it comes to talking about his wife.. who by the way is the envy of women all over the world..

and we seriously need some new material.. someone pose a question or something LOL

*THUD* My next door neighbor had a handyman with Josh's body...I love to watch him, I just picture him with Josh's face...hehehe...:biggrin: My kind of neighborhood.

Yes, let's pose a question, please...so how much would you pay said worker if he did offer to mow your lawn? (kidding) *insert real question here*

Do you think that The Others could break James & Kate better by separating them, keeping them together, or alternating both?

(How's that for a question?)

Now your talking Save. That is a great question. One that requires some thought, as it could have a similar effect if the shoe was on the others foot.

I am not one of as many eloquent words as most. I think if they were kept together, they could see each others faults and all and possibly get an even better understanding of the other's feelings. On the other hand, keeping them apart, I think you'd see Sawyer's intense feeling of protection start to really emerge. Jack's not the only one who can protect. Hurt a hair on her head...

My kind of neighborhood.

Yes, let's pose a question, please...so how much would you pay said worker if he did offer to mow your lawn? (kidding) *insert real question here*

the answer to that one, quite a bit of money car :biggrin:

Do you think that The Others could break James & Kate better by separating them, keeping them together, or alternating both?

(How's that for a question?)

great quesiont STH thanks for asking..

On one hand i think if they were together or near eachother, it would allow for them to use ones pain against the other to get what they want. And it would certainly make it pretty to clear to eachother how they feel about one another. But i'm telling you i wouldn't want be them if they hurt Kate in any way and Sawyer gets loose..


But on the other hand separtating them has it's perks too in the sense of they don't know A) where the other is and B) what's being done to them. That can be it's own form of torture i suppose. And car's right, you 'd defintaly see Sawyers protective mode come into play here. Something tells me..
when he gets out of that cage, he'll waste very little time in trying tof find her

You mean I asked a good question at long last?

:clap:!!!!!

Keep on answering, then, folks! I'll check in after fall festival, then laundry, today! :grin:

Save, that's a great question, and when I've had a proper amount of coffee so my brain can reboot to allow a coherent stream of thought to flow through, I shall come back and answer best I can. ;)

Morning Outkasters! :wave:

You ain't just whistlin dixie there fricks

Alrighty! Question, question.

I think it would be harder for the "Others" to break them if they altered between both. Naturally, they'll be worried about one another, but if they're kept seperate, given no evidence that the other is being harmed, taking care of themselves is something both are quite capable of doing. King and queen of manipulation would be attuned to the head games, which could be good or bad depending on what happens.

Of course, if they're allowed to see one another, all bets are off. Any advantage they may have had in matching wits with these people is compromised. Concern for the other would inevitably override rational thought, especially if the "Others" are trying to use the one against the other. In fact, that's exactly what I think the "Others" will use in regards to breaking these two down.

Do you think that The Others could break James & Kate better by separating them, keeping them together, or alternating both?



great quesiont STH thanks for asking..

On one hand i think if they were together or near eachother, it would allow for them to use ones pain against the other to get what they want. And it would certainly make it pretty to clear to eachother how they feel about one another. But i'm telling you i wouldn't want be them if they hurt Kate in any way and Sawyer gets loose..

But on the other hand separtating them has it's perks too in the sense of they don't know A) where the other is and B) what's being done to them. That can be it's own form of torture i suppose. And car's right, you 'd defintaly see Sawyers protective mode come into play here. Something tells me..
when he gets out of that cage, he'll waste very little time in trying tof find her


Of course, if they're allowed to see one another, all bets are off. Any advantage they may have had in matching wits with these people is compromised. Concern for the other would inevitably override rational thought, especially if the "Others" are trying to use the one against the other. In fact, that's exactly what I think the "Others" will use in regards to breaking these two down.

STH, in answer to your question, I agree with what the others here have said too -
It seems to me that no matter what, their protectiveness of each other could become apparent again whether they're separated or kept together - if separated, they most likely won't know what's happening to the other and we'll see their concern over that and if together, they could be worried about any effects which they see the Others have on each other too - I'm not even sure if the Others can break these two regardless of whether they're together or not, I can't see it happening and
as the spoilers seem to suggest that they will be separated, I can't see Sawyer running off on his own if he's freed, am sure he won't leave without Kate - as Car88 said - if they 'hurt a hair on her head' and all that, then they better watch out, there's no telling what Sawyer would do!

I'm hoping the writers have plans to let Sawyer to go buck stupid on just a few "Others". Throw a couple of punches, knee someone in the nads, elbow someone in the face, some pay back for getting shot and nearly dying. Work out some of that aggression. ;)

Hey peeps,
Can I be an outkast? Im 110% Skate!!!!!!!!

Would definitely be entertaining Darbi if that happened - even if he didn't get the chance to do any of that, what he'll say to the Others will be entertaining enough too I think - if he remains true to his character ;)
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Hey peeps,
Can I be an outkast? Im 110% Skate!!!!!!!!

I'm sure you can boones_the _boss - Girlspy will give you a no. when she comes along! :)

Hey peeps,
Can I be an outkast? Im 110% Skate!!!!!!!!

WELCOME BOONES_ THE_ BOSS TO THE BEST SHIP ON THE OCEAN OF MYSTERY. :boat:

THANKX!and every1 calls me boones!:biggrin:

Would definitely be entertaining Darbi if that happened - even if he didn't get the chance to do any of that, what he'll say to the Others will be entertaining enough too I think - if he remains true to his character ;)
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Oh, I'm definitely looking forward to the one-liners that will be thrown back and forth between him and "Zeke". Better yet the nickname he'll come up with for Fenry. :laughing:

I'm hoping the writers have plans to let Sawyer to go buck stupid on just a few "Others". Throw a couple of punches, knee someone in the nads, elbow someone in the face, some pay back for getting shot and nearly dying. Work out some of that aggression. ;)

Darbi: I am thinking that the Others got no idea what a mistake they made in taking Sawyer. IMO they will live to regret it and very quickly be willing to pay a great deal to have the castaways just take him back.

:biggrin: I think our boy is more then a match for that manipulative, sneaky little Henry Gale, who has never tangled with anyone who made his living running cons. The confrontation between the two of them should be entertaining and will more than likely drive Henry completely nuts. Sawyer's mouth alone would test the patience of a saint and beneath that snarky exterior is a fine tuned ability to read people. Sawyer has street smarts and is willing to fight dirty. Just what is needed in a desperate situation.

:rolleyes: I believe this could be where the Sana sex comes out, I think Sawyer will use it to deny any emotional connection to Kate. Toss it out to prove he was after only one thing and when he didn't get it from Kate....he went elsewhere. That could also be the "catalyst" for the blow up between Sawyer and Kate that will lead to .....

:redface: In any case, the Others are going to have their hands full dealing with an angry, pissed off Sawyer! Paybacks are hell!

WELCOME to OutKaSts Boones!

Darbi: I am thinking that the Others got no idea what a mistake they made in taking Sawyer. IMO they will live to regret it and very quickly be willing to pay a great deal to have the castaways just take him back.

:biggrin: I think our boy is more then a match for that manipulative, sneaky little Henry Gale, who has never tangled with anyone who made his living running cons. The confrontation between the two of them should be entertaining and will more than likely drive Henry completely nuts. Sawyer's mouth alone would test the patience of a saint and beneath that snarky exterior is a fine tuned ability to read people. Sawyer has street smarts and is willing to fight dirty. Just what is needed in a desperate situation.

:rolleyes: I believe this could be where the Sana sex comes out, I think Sawyer will use it to deny any emotional connection to Kate. Toss it out to prove he was after only one thing and when he didn't get it from Kate....he went elsewhere. That could also be the "catalyst" for the blow up between Sawyer and Kate that will lead to .....

:redface: In any case, the Others are going to have their hands full dealing with an angry, pissed off Sawyer! Paybacks are hell!

WELCOME to OutKaSts Boones!

Forgive me, but can you just picture Fenry observing Sawyer in complete fascination while he's in full snark thrashing, kicking, spitting, acting a complete and utter donkey before saying: "You are a vile, foul-mouthed and insufferable individual, and somehow you've survived being stabbed, shot twice, left to adrift at sea, and I understand your stay with the inhabitants that crashed on the other side of the island wasn't at all pleasant. Amazing. (then with a creepy smile) I like you, but please don't test my patience. Now, keep in mind, you'll pay for that little display you just put on. You did spit on me afterall. However, if your keep your fluids and that unruly tongue of yours in check, I'll see about letting you see her. You do want to see her, right James?" :rotflmao:

Hey, Lisa! :wavey: When do we get back to Vegas?

Oh darlin, we arrive tonight...

Do you think that The Others could break James & Kate better by separating them, keeping them together, or alternating both?

(How's that for a question?)

:clap: Excellent question, STH. You done good hon!

Okay I believe the only possible way they could break them would be to keep them apart. The only element of control they could have over Sawyer would be to let him think that something was happening to Kate or, God forbid, hurt her in front of him.

With out benefit of that, I don't think there's a chance in this world they could control Sawyer. And losttvfan, I agree with you totally. They're gonna be so sorry they ever messing with him.

I'm hoping the writers have plans to let Sawyer to go buck stupid on just a few "Others". Throw a couple of punches, knee someone in the nads, elbow someone in the face, some pay back for getting shot and nearly dying. Work out some of that aggression. ;)

Yea, Darbi...You got that right hon, just let him go off on 'em...I mean this man could make Rambo look like Little Mary Sunshine!!!

Hey peeps, Can I be an outkast? Im 110% Skate!!!!!!!!

WELCOME BOONES, glad to have you here.

Here you go, Darbi:

Sawyer:
"Well now, Sigmund Frued, whatever gave you that idea? I just like to whoop up on people for no good reason. Are you always this stupid, or is this somethin' new?"

:laughing: That would probably earn him a knee to the stomach.

I'm hoping the writers have plans to let Sawyer to go buck stupid on just a few "Others". Throw a couple of punches, knee someone in the nads, elbow someone in the face, some pay back for getting shot and nearly dying. Work out some of that aggression. ;)

That would be great and cathartic and just downright entertaining i think, esp if they allow him to win a fight for once :biggrin:

Oh, I'm definitely looking forward to the one-liners that will be thrown back and forth between him and "Zeke". Better yet the nickname he'll come up with for Fenry. :laughing:

Dr. Lecter :roflmao:

:rolleyes: I believe this could be where the Sana sex comes out, I think Sawyer will use it to deny any emotional connection to Kate. Toss it out to prove he was after only one thing and when he didn't get it from Kate....he went elsewhere. That could also be the "catalyst" for the blow up between Sawyer and Kate that will lead to .....



defintatly think that's a distinct possibility there lost it would take something probably like that for the inevitable blow up that will occur.. Kate lays into him, he throws it back at her, gettin in eachothers faces, maybe a couple of slaps thrown, culminating in the 'screw you' followed by... 'let's screw' type of thing teeheee. I really REALLY want this to happen.. Things can only build up for so long and them... BAM something happens.. something good :naughty:

Forgive me, but can you just picture Fenry observing Sawyer in complete fascination while he's in full snark thrashing, kicking, spitting, acting a complete and utter donkey before saying: "You are a vile, foul-mouthed and insufferable individual, and somehow you've survived being stabbed, shot twice, left to adrift at sea, and I understand your stay with the inhabitants that crashed on the other side of the island wasn't at all pleasant. Amazing. (then with a creepy smile) I like you, but please don't test my patience. Now, keep in mind, you'll pay for that little display you just put on. You did spit on me afterall. However, if your keep your fluids and that unruly tongue of yours in check, I'll see about letting you see her. You do want to see her, right James?" :rotflmao:

:biglaugh: Darbi i can actually HEAR Henry saying that too, that man can irriate the most patient person on the planet :biggrin:

Oh darlin, we arrive tonight...

Yea, Darbi...You got that right hon, just let him go off on 'em...I mean this man could make Rambo look like Little Mary Sunshine!!!

Here you go, Darbi:

Sawyer:
"Well now, Sigmund Frued, whatever gave you that idea? I just like to whoop up on people for no good reason. Are you always this stupid, or is this somethin' new?"

:rotflmao2: you guys are cracking me up here honest to God.

and welcome boone to Outkasts :biggrin: .

I'm sure Sawyer and Fenry's interaction will be one memorable exchange. At least I'm hoping it will be.

A Sawyer/Fenry confrontation has potential (though I see it as a battle of wits rather than anything physical), but I'll be waiting for Sawyer's showdown with Zeke ... I'm hoping for a fight of *The Quiet Man* proportions. :)

I am thinking that the Others got no idea what a mistake they made in taking Sawyer. IMO they will live to regret it and very quickly be willing to pay a great deal to have the castaways just take him back.
:24:, losttvfan!!

I'm not as sure as you folks that James would pour out the invective against Fenry. He realizes that the guy played Locke & Jack just as well (if not better) than HE did back in TLC. Their conversation may well play out as two mind-game players dancing around each other with grudging respect.

Now, when James and Tom meet again. . .BWA HA HA HA HA! :chair:

Okay for those who would like to read...please help yourself...

Chapter 2 of the Battlefield 2 is up at the UK board...

www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk)

Hope you enjoy it!!

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

So--who is she, Lisa? Ana Lucia? Libby? Shannon? Danielle? TALK!! :71:

Darbi: I am thinking that the Others got no idea what a mistake they made in taking Sawyer. IMO they will live to regret it and very quickly be willing to pay a great deal to have the castaways just take him back.

:24:, losttvfan!!

I'm not as sure as you folks that James would pour out the invective against Fenry. He realizes that the guy played Locke & Jack just as well (if not better) than HE did back in TLC. Their conversation may well play out as two mind-game players dancing around each other with grudging respect.

Now, when James and Tom meet again. . .BWA HA HA HA HA! :chair:

:devil2: STH, that is exactly what I am expecting.....two master players messing with each other's minds! Henry, ice cold, emotionless and annoying and our boy, red hot mad, pissed off and annoying. A match for sure.

:furious: As for Sawyer and Tom, no mind games there, that will get physical, don't ya think?

So--who is she, Lisa? Ana Lucia? Libby? Shannon? Danielle? TALK!! :71:


Hehehe, all in good time darlin :bonk: ...you'll find out in Chapter 3...

Hey peeps,
Can I be an outkast? Im 110% Skate!!!!!!!!

Welcome boones!!! Youve come to the right place ;). I beleive your number Outkast #218, very happy to have you aboard :D.

Okay, looks like I have some serious catching up to do, lol. So Ill start reading. Oh and Darbi, ITA. I think Sawyers due for a smackdown stick em all up rampage, lol. Got to channel that anger and rage. And no way do I think he will just sit back and let them do their thing. No way at all.

I've heard rumors that in Entertainment Weekly or some such, Josh makes a comment that indicates it's Jate not Skate. Something to the effect that Sawyer isn't the romantic kind or not the romantic lead or something. Anyone else hear that?

I've heard rumors that in Entertainment Weekly or some such, Josh makes a comment that indicates it's Jate not Skate. Something to the effect that Sawyer isn't the romantic kind or not the romantic lead or something. Anyone else hear that?

I heard something similar

I heard it was in US weekly where he says that Sawyer isn't romantic

I heard something similar


Spoiler:
I heard it was in US weekly where he says that Sawyer isn't romantic





I guess if Josh is content with the way his character is developing, so should all of us be. Right?:down:

I guess if Josh is content with the way his character is developing, so should all of us be. Right?:down:

Hey everyone... unfortunately I'm back to work (I'm a teacher) which leaves me w/zero time for posting... but these posts pulled me out of lurker mode... because I almost had a heart attack... I went fishing on the ew.com site & found this... made me just the slightest bit happier...

The producers also intend to finally pair Kate with either Jack or Sawyer. ''I'd like to see Sawyer and Kate come to either a full blowout of 'F--- you!' or 'Let's get it on!''' offers Holloway. ''[But] if she chooses me, you'd better believe I'll piss her off down the road.''

I'm hoping those other things said were said early on... & Josh just likes to speculate...

I guess if Josh is content with the way his character is developing, so should all of us be. Right?:down:

Well, Josh may believe Sawyer isn't romantic, but does he have to be to have a great angst-ridden, passionate relationship with Kate?? :)

I've heard rumors that in Entertainment Weekly or some such, Josh makes a comment that indicates it's Jate not Skate. Something to the effect that Sawyer isn't the romantic kind or not the romantic lead or something. Anyone else hear that?

I think what you might be picking up on is Josh's comments from the DVD, S3 release party. Whatever that was a few weeks back where he said something about Sawyer can't be all sappy. His stock would fall. Plus he added, "Why does the woman always get to choose? What if I say no? Tell her she should have chosen the other guy?" Jokingly. Then he mentions that he'd love for his character to explore a relationship with Kate, but if not, Sawyer as a free agent would be fine too.

At least that's my take.

I've heard rumors that in Entertainment Weekly or some such, Josh makes a comment that indicates it's Jate not Skate. Something to the effect that Sawyer isn't the romantic kind or not the romantic lead or something. Anyone else hear that?

I still say that if that was going to be the case,
he wouldn't have said anything about it at all.

Just my little token of advice regarding the spoiler and interview stuff.

Take it all with a grain of salt. We know how much they like to spin stuff so out of proportion in those things and mislead. They want to have us all spun around, flipped over sideways, turned upside down, so we cant see straight anymore, lol.

Little over 3 weeks now. :D

Oh and I got chapter 3 of my fict, Sum of A Whole posted. Heres the link incase your interested....

http://kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1495&i=1

Enjoy. ;)

Hmmm what happened to the five stars, I guess someone didn't want us to have them. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo...

Sawyer not being romantic. I'm cool with that. He seems too cynical to truly be a schmooper. However, I guess it also depends on what you mean by 'romantic'. In the traditional sense? Hell, no. Even if he made his living pretending to be that, I think he's not the kind to write sonnets, pine, gift seeds or flowers, suggest walking hand and hand along the beach. ;)

Hmmm what happened to the five stars, I guess someone didn't want us to have them. :rolleyes:



Please please-- this can't be another "US Weekly Hot Body Poll" thing- :crying:

Why does the rating fall once it's reached five stars? :confused:

Why does the rating fall once it's reached five stars? :confused:

:mad: I don't get that either, and actually don't understand the significance. Do you need to vote each time you log in or can you only vote once per thread? I noticed it first thing when I signed on, we were back to four hearts. I checked the FAQ and found nothing there on this rating system for the threads. I give up, does anyone know?

:mad: I don't get that either, and actually don't understand the significance. Do you need to vote each time you log in or can you only vote once per thread? I noticed it first thing when I signed on, we were back to four hearts. I checked the FAQ and found nothing there on this rating system for the threads. I give up, does anyone know?


To be honest, I hadn't noticed the rating system until someone brought it up the other day. :redface: I'm just happy someone finally explained how multi posting works. ;)


So, it looks like we're in dire need of a subject change, so...how about a best guess question for one and all, eh?

We know that Kate sat up overnight, foregoing any sleep to watch over Sawyer upon his return. Other than her putting on some Patsy Cline while meshing up fruit, and telling him about the horse she saw, what do you think Kate talked to Sawyer about during the night?

Well, one thing, she sure had a hold of his hand tight too, when he was shivering from infection.

Hmmm what happened to the five stars, I guess someone didn't want us to have them. :rolleyes:

Anyhoo...

Sawyer not being romantic. I'm cool with that. He seems too cynical to truly be a schmooper. However, I guess it also depends on what you mean by 'romantic'. In the traditional sense? Hell, no. Even if he made his living pretending to be that, I think he's not the kind to write sonnets, pine, gift seeds or flowers, suggest walking hand and hand along the beach. ;)

there seem to be several threads that dropped down to 4 stars including the Couch i believe it's like someone when through and voted negativly or soemthing LOL

anywho

I tdon't think of Sawyer as a romantic, he's not, like Zoriah says, the hearts and flowers, walks on the beach type of guy. He's more like the throw you down on the bed (or his case, airline chair :biggrin: ) and do ungodly things to you type. :naughty: . He may hurt your feelings from time to time but god forbid anyone even threaten the one he loves. That may not be typical romantic, but that's fine enough for me... A guy dosen't have to do all the typical crap, as long as he loves the hell outta me that would be more than enough :biggrin:
besides...
Josh has also said he mind exploring the relationship aspect with Kate as well, he says so many different things, but the truth is he dosen't know much more than we do. He just likes to play around, and god love him for that..


We know that Kate sat up overnight, foregoing any sleep to watch over Sawyer upon his return. Other than her putting on some Patsy Cline while meshing up fruit, and telling him about the horse she saw, what do you think Kate talked to Sawyer about during the night?

hmmmm good question.... maybe she was fillin him in on what's been goin on since he'd been gone.. How silly everyone has been, and how Locke and Jack have been fighting non-stop, those sorta things. In between bouts of reassurances that he's gonna be just fine, wiping his forhead and looking at him lovingly. Or maybe that's just what i wish happened.. :biggrin:

We know that Kate sat up overnight, foregoing any sleep to watch over Sawyer upon his return. Other than her putting on some Patsy Cline while meshing up fruit, and telling him about the horse she saw, what do you think Kate talked to Sawyer about during the night?

Oooooh Darbi, excellent question.

Okay here's my take.

I would imagine that she did everything she could do to keep a connection with him. It was possible that through his sickness he couldn't hear her, but she more than likely kept touching him or holding his hand, anything that would connect her to him and let him know, however subconciously, that she was there.

But the real question here is not that she took care of him, but why did she? She didn't take care of him like that and lose all that sleep and worry so much unless she felt something for him, and I just can't imagine that she would do that for some guy she got conned into kissing or some guy that just happened to be following her to a waterfall and went swimmin' with her or some guy who just might have written something and put it in a bottle on the far off chance that she might actually find it. That would be ridiculous. You don't take that kind of time and worry about someone unless you care...and the point is she cares.

Now the level of how much she cares is what worries me...I think that's the key because there are some issues here folks. I think she does love him, but I think there's a serious issue about love here. As a child the man she thought of as her father was pretty much taken away by her mother who wanted to be with Wayne, and we all have a pretty good idea how that turned out, so there was no one there to show her how to love. And as we know, children learn for the most part by observation. Kate has never had a model for love that was there for her, so how could she possibly know anything but to push it away. Both of them associate love with hurt because of their pasts and the things that happened to them in their childhoods.

So it's not only about what she did to take care of him or even why she did it. It's also about how much level of feeling does she have and how deep does that go. It could be that Kate herself doesn't even know how much she loves Sawyer because she's never felt that. I remember a line from a movie once that said, "I've been married to men I haven't felt this comfortable with." That could very well be how Kate sees her relationship with Sawyer, because we know she has been married.

At least that's how I see it.

Well, one thing, she sure had a hold of his hand tight too, when he was shivering from infection.

She certainly did and I have watched that scene I couldn't tell you how many times.

James not romantic?

Tell THAT to all the women he's conned over the years! :D

He can be as romantic (or not), as caring (or not), as helpful (or not) as he chooses!

As for that Chapter 3, how many days have passed since the first time James & Kate made love in captivity? It only took about a week for Sun to have morning sickness; with the stress Kate's been under (not to mention the Predictive Dream)--is she carrying James' child?

And why are we making Danielle evil? I are confused! :dizzy:

As for that Chapter 3, how many days have passed since the first time James & Kate made love in captivity? It only took about a week for Sun to have morning sickness; with the stress Kate's been under (not to mention the Predictive Dream)--is she carrying James' child?

Oh yes, she's still pregnant darlin', absolutely, the whole Civil War story, though it was 25 chapters only covered about 8 says in island time...Battlefield 2 will probably cover a little shorter period of time but she'll definately still be pregnant...there might be a period of about 2 weeks in island time but that's it.

first off Lisa awesome post on Kate :clap:

It would be presumptuous of either side to say that Kate is 'in love' with either of these guys. I don't think she's all that sure of how she feels about either one of them. She loves them both in some capacity i'm sure but the nature of those feelings are hard to decipher for her as well as for us.

But the care she showed him when he was sick was a definate indicator of very stong feelings, as Lisa pointed out, you don't do that for just anyone. Or for someone you consider just a friend. She stayed up with him all night, holding his hand, trying to cool him off and assuring him that was in fact there and wasn't going anywhere. Jack had a hard time getting her to leave him for anything. That's a hell of devotion to give to just anyone. Strong feelings that caused major upheavel for her as we all noticed. What was wonderful was when she finally went back to his bedside and realized it wasn't Wayne it was just Saywer, and that he was in fact ok and his snarky self again. The relieved way that she smiled showed how she was reallly beginning to accept those feelings without reservation. It was just plain wonderful to see her happy again. And that Sawyer was a good part of the reason for that

Of course our boy just had to get freaked out and mess that up now didn't he? But the very fact that she was so hurt by what he did was a pretty good confirmation of just how strong she really feels for him. Whether she'll ever stop fighting and acknowledge it is something yet to be determined, in other words, will she follow what her heart tells her about him, or will she allow her head to dictate her desicion here..

go for the usual merry go round or try out the rollercoaster ride? :biggrin:

hope this made sense i'm like wired right now..

They'll come 'round, fricksgurl, they'll come 'round. :love:

We know that Kate sat up overnight, foregoing any sleep to watch over Sawyer upon his return. Other than her putting on some Patsy Cline while meshing up fruit, and telling him about the horse she saw, what do you think Kate talked to Sawyer about during the night?

Well, we know that the last thing she said to Sawyer while he was unconscious was about, "whenever I start to have feelings Sawyer . . . ." That causes me to think that her true feeling of affection for Sawyer is what she was talking about when the Wayne voice started."

first off Lisa awesome post on Kate :clap:

It would be presumptuous of either side to say that Kate is 'in love' with either of these guys. I don't think she's all that sure of how she feels about either one of them. She loves them both in some capacity i'm sure but the nature of those feelings are hard to decipher for her as well as for us.

But the care she showed him when he was sick was a definate indicator of very stong feelings, as Lisa pointed out, you don't do that for just anyone. Or for someone you consider just a friend. She stayed up with him all night, holding his hand, trying to cool him off and assuring him that was in fact there and wasn't going anywhere. Jack had a hard time getting her to leave him for anything. That's a hell of devotion to give to just anyone. Strong feelings that caused major upheavel for her as we all noticed. What was wonderful was when she finally went back to his bedside and realized it wasn't Wayne it was just Saywer, and that he was in fact ok and his snarky self again. The relieved way that she smiled showed how she was reallly beginning to accept those feelings without reservation. It was just plain wonderful to see her happy again. And that Sawyer was a good part of the reason for that

Of course our boy just had to get freaked out and mess that up now didn't he? But the very fact that she was so hurt by what he did was a pretty good confirmation of just how strong she really feels for him. Whether she'll ever stop fighting and acknowledge it is something yet to be determined, in other words, will she follow what her heart tells her about him, or will she allow her head to dictate her desicion here..

go for the usual merry go round or try out the rollercoaster ride? :biggrin:

hope this made sense i'm like wired right now..

:shesaid: Well said Fricks and she did tell him he "was home". Loved that!

BTW, I posted Chapter 11 of Obsessions and Fantasies on the UK site last night, here's the link:

http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1278

Once attempted to write a country love song. Chorus went something like this:

We are home
We are home
Whenever we're together
We are home

Whereever life may lead us
Whereever we may roam
Long as we have each other
We are home.

Reading the above post about "home" just brought that back to mind. It does seem to fit James & Kate, doesn't it? :love:

Both of them associate love with hurt because of their pasts and the things that happened to them in their childhoods.

Lisa, I think you hit the nail on the head here. Love for both Sawyer and Kate is vulnerability. And I assume all Sawyers ever known of love is hurt, and same for Kate. They both associate it with eventual abandonment and betrayal. Which is why I think they both are so guarded. Sawyers example is more clear with pulling the Long Con. We know he did it partially to push Kate away. But Kate also has been protective of her heart, not really letting Sawyer think he could have her, and same for Jack. She dances around the issue because she is also afraid of getting attached. So I can understand the confusion for all parties involved.

And Lisa and Ann, great chapters! Both of you have such a knack for writing. ;)

As for that Chapter 3, how many days have passed since the first time James & Kate made love in captivity? It only took about a week for Sun to have morning sickness; with the stress Kate's been under (not to mention the Predictive Dream)--is she carrying James' child?

And why are we making Danielle evil? I are confused!

STH, I think you are speaking about chapter 3 of Sum of a Whole, yes?

Anyway in answer to your question...

4 days have passed. I cant tell you yet about whether or not she is pregnant. But you should know for sure in the next chapter or 2. LOL, and Danielle being evil is a plot twist that deviates us from the greater evil. Its just my take on things, and not even necessarily what I think, but for the sake of the story, Danielle has a hidden agenda.
Hope that helps. ;)

Oooooh Darbi, excellent question.

Okay here's my take.

I would imagine that she did everything she could do to keep a connection with him. It was possible that through his sickness he couldn't hear her, but she more than likely kept touching him or holding his hand, anything that would connect her to him and let him know, however subconciously, that she was there.

But the real question here is not that she took care of him, but why did she? She didn't take care of him like that and lose all that sleep and worry so much unless she felt something for him, and I just can't imagine that she would do that for some guy she got conned into kissing or some guy that just happened to be following her to a waterfall and went swimmin' with her or some guy who just might have written something and put it in a bottle on the far off chance that she might actually find it. That would be ridiculous. You don't take that kind of time and worry about someone unless you care...and the point is she cares.

Now the level of how much she cares is what worries me...I think that's the key because there are some issues here folks. I think she does love him, but I think there's a serious issue about love here. As a child the man she thought of as her father was pretty much taken away by her mother who wanted to be with Wayne, and we all have a pretty good idea how that turned out, so there was no one there to show her how to love. And as we know, children learn for the most part by observation. Kate has never had a model for love that was there for her, so how could she possibly know anything but to push it away. Both of them associate love with hurt because of their pasts and the things that happened to them in their childhoods.

So it's not only about what she did to take care of him or even why she did it. It's also about how much level of feeling does she have and how deep does that go. It could be that Kate herself doesn't even know how much she loves Sawyer because she's never felt that. I remember a line from a movie once that said, "I've been married to men I haven't felt this comfortable with." That could very well be how Kate sees her relationship with Sawyer, because we know she has been married.

At least that's how I see it.



She certainly did and I have watched that scene I couldn't tell you how many times.

This is an absolutely beautiful post, Lisa. :thumbsup:

When Mr. Eko walked up with an unconscious Sawyer slung over his shoulders, my heart truly went out to Kate. The expression on her face just floored me. You could have placed a sign over her head in bold letters reading, 'WOMAN GOING INTO FULL EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD.' :shock: It was like every emotion within her was jocking for position as to which one felt she needed to act upon first. Shock won out, but only kept its spot momentarily before it got stampeded by stronger emotions. ;)

After all the thrashing and cold sweats abated, I always pictured her staring at him for a long time saying nothing, but continuing to hold his hand and touch his face, brushing his hair back--anything to reassure him she was there.

During that quiet period, I can imagine she may have offered a silent apology for not saying goodbye, or saying she was sorry for her part in how things ended before he left. Mostly, I think she came to terms (for the most part) about whatever it is that she feels for Sawyer.

The rest of the time, I imagine she talked to him about everything and nothing in particular. I can see her telling Sawyer about the message bottle, laughing at herself for thinking she would find something from him. Sun losing her wedding ring. Playing golf. She may have told him about the smoke monster, the slave ship, Dr. Artz blowing up, the hatch, the candy bars she might share with him when he woke up...just random things for comfort. :biggrin:

She may have told him about the smoke monster, the slave ship, Dr. Artz blowing up, the hatch, the candy bars she might share with him when he woke up...just random things for comfort. :biggrin:
Given the way she was scarfing that candy bar in "Adrift," I think you may have nailed that one, Darbi! :laughing:


What do you MEAN, you can't tell me yet, girlspy?! What the heck ELSE could be that wrong with her? Hummmmmmmmm? :sneaky2: (j/k, of course! ;) )

Forgive me, but can you just picture Fenry observing Sawyer in complete fascination while he's in full snark thrashing, kicking, spitting, acting a complete and utter donkey before saying: "You are a vile, foul-mouthed and insufferable individual, and somehow you've survived being stabbed, shot twice, left to adrift at sea, and I understand your stay with the inhabitants that crashed on the other side of the island wasn't at all pleasant. Amazing. (then with a creepy smile) I like you, but please don't test my patience. Now, keep in mind, you'll pay for that little display you just put on. You did spit on me afterall. However, if your keep your fluids and that unruly tongue of yours in check, I'll see about letting you see her. You do want to see her, right James?" :rotflmao:

Darbi - I think that is perfect! I really hope the writers give these guys a chance to interact. I think it would totally go down like that. And darn it girl...I need you to write my next Sawyer/Fenry interaction in my fic. ;)

:devil2: STH, that is exactly what I am expecting.....two master players messing with each other's minds! Henry, ice cold, emotionless and annoying and our boy, red hot mad, pissed off and annoying. A match for sure.

:furious: As for Sawyer and Tom, no mind games there, that will get physical, don't ya think?

ITA on the Tom/Sawyer show down losttvfan. I really do think that one's gonna come to blows. :chair: Hopefully with Sawyer getting the upper hand this time.

Woo Hoo! I'm so excited someone explained the multi-quote! Hee...:biggrin:

If anyone is interested in having a discussion focused on Kate and her culpability, I direct you to this thread I started here ;): How long would Kate spend in prison for her crimes? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1162202#post1162202)

Once attempted to write a country love song. Chorus went something like this:

We are home
We are home
Whenever we're together
We are home

Whereever life may lead us
Whereever we may roam
Long as we have each other
We are home.

Reading the above post about "home" just brought that back to mind. It does seem to fit James & Kate, doesn't it? :love:

Thanks for the warm welcome Outkasts, I look forward to getting stuck in to your Skate based convo's in the future. Cool song by the way,lol!:thumbsup:

I don't think I saw where anyone posted a link to this new promo vid, but I may have missed it so forgive me if I did. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-d4yjWhG7s

:mad: I don't get that either, and actually don't understand the significance. Do you need to vote each time you log in or can you only vote once per thread? I noticed it first thing when I signed on, we were back to four hearts. I checked the FAQ and found nothing there on this rating system for the threads. I give up, does anyone know?

I'm fairly sure you can only vote once per thread Losttv. There must have been a no. of more negative votes since we voted our five stars. :frown:


We know that Kate sat up overnight, foregoing any sleep to watch over Sawyer upon his return. Other than her putting on some Patsy Cline while meshing up fruit, and telling him about the horse she saw, what do you think Kate talked to Sawyer about during the night?

I agree with everyone else here too Darbi - I'd say Kate would have told him about the stuff he had missed since leaving on the raft, all the while holding onto his hand to let him know there was someone there mixed in with taking care of what he needed e.g. trying to bring his temp. down with cool cloths on forehead etc. I feel as if I'm repeating all of you here with all that, but that's just what I can imagine would have happened too.
I do think it's a very strong sign about her feelings for Sawyer too, I can't imagine watching over a guy all night long unless it was something I really wanted to do that for, it wasn't as if there wasn't anyone else around to help Kate out - I think the very re-appearance of Sawyer and the state he was in, shook Kate up badly, she made me believe that she had realized how much he meant to her - for one thing she was so worried about his wellbeing and for another she looked so happy to see him alive and coming around again to his old self when his consciousness returned.


But the real question here is not that she took care of him, but why did she? She didn't take care of him like that and lose all that sleep and worry so much unless she felt something for him, and I just can't imagine that she would do that for some guy she got conned into kissing or some guy that just happened to be following her to a waterfall and went swimmin' with her or some guy who just might have written something and put it in a bottle on the far off chance that she might actually find it. That would be ridiculous. You don't take that kind of time and worry about someone unless you care...and the point is she cares.


Absolutely agree to the above Lisa - pretty much what I was trying to say too ;)

James not romantic?

Tell THAT to all the women he's conned over the years! :D

He can be as romantic (or not), as caring (or not), as helpful (or not) as he chooses!


Totally agree STH, exactly right I reckon - I had thought Sawyer isn't the typical romantic type, and would be ok with me if he isn't - but he would have had to bring some romance into it when he conned all those women wouldn't he? Well, maybe not all - considering that maybe all they wanted was one thing from him :lol2: - but not all women may have been as easily led astray in the beginning, he probably would have had to do some wooing some of the time anyways ;)


It would be presumptuous of either side to say that Kate is 'in love' with either of these guys. I don't think she's all that sure of how she feels about either one of them. She loves them both in some capacity i'm sure but the nature of those feelings are hard to decipher for her as well as for us.

But the care she showed him when he was sick was a definate indicator of very stong feelings, as Lisa pointed out, you don't do that for just anyone. Or for someone you consider just a friend. She stayed up with him all night, holding his hand, trying to cool him off and assuring him that was in fact there and wasn't going anywhere. Jack had a hard time getting her to leave him for anything. That's a hell of devotion to give to just anyone. Strong feelings that caused major upheavel for her as we all noticed. What was wonderful was when she finally went back to his bedside and realized it wasn't Wayne it was just Saywer, and that he was in fact ok and his snarky self again. The relieved way that she smiled showed how she was reallly beginning to accept those feelings without reservation. It was just plain wonderful to see her happy again. And that Sawyer was a good part of the reason for that

Of course our boy just had to get freaked out and mess that up now didn't he? But the very fact that she was so hurt by what he did was a pretty good confirmation of just how strong she really feels for him. Whether she'll ever stop fighting and acknowledge it is something yet to be determined, in other words, will she follow what her heart tells her about him, or will she allow her head to dictate her desicion here..

go for the usual merry go round or try out the rollercoaster ride? :biggrin:

hope this made sense i'm like wired right now..

You definitely made sense Fricks! :biggrin: Showing complete devotion for him first of all, rewarded by Sawyer coming back around again to her, then her sense of hurt when he pulled that con on them all indicating she must have been feeling something more for him 'cos otherwise it wouldn't have mattered that much to her, she would have been just shocked like everyone else but she saw right through him then too while at the same time Sawyer managed to push her away a bit again to keep himself protected from those scary feelings he had for her too - it was all getting a bit too much for those two souls, they were suddenly getting too close to be able to deal with it - they need time to adjust to realizing those feelings too.
I'd go for the rollercoaster ride anyday - there may be lows at first, but the highs will end up being so worth heading for ;)

whew quite a bit to catch up on teehee

Once attempted to write a country love song. Chorus went something like this:

We are home
We are home
Whenever we're together
We are home

Whereever life may lead us
Whereever we may roam
Long as we have each other
We are home.

Reading the above post about "home" just brought that back to mind. It does seem to fit James & Kate, doesn't it? :love:

STH i love that, very nice very Skate :biggrin:

Lisa, I think you hit the nail on the head here. Love for both Sawyer and Kate is vulnerability. And I assume all Sawyers ever known of love is hurt, and same for Kate. They both associate it with eventual abandonment and betrayal. Which is why I think they both are so guarded. Sawyers example is more clear with pulling the Long Con. We know he did it partially to push Kate away. But Kate also has been protective of her heart, not really letting Sawyer think he could have her, and same for Jack. She dances around the issue because she is also afraid of getting attached. So I can understand the confusion for all parties involved.



damn girlspy once again you manage to make me feel dumb reading your posts LOL
you summed that up so beautifully there. They have both tried to avoid emotional involvement for fear of the potential hurt and possible loss. Kate saw what happened to her mother when she went with her heart and ended up in a bad situation. Never mind the fact that the last man she loved she got killed. And the last people that Sawyer truly loved got violently taken away from him at a young, essentially abandoning him. He's not gonna allow that again himself. With love for both of them comes the potential for betrayal and loss, it's no wonder like you said that they'd be hesitant to get too attached. And Kate keeps playing both sides of the fence and eventually somebodies gonna call her on that.



When Mr. Eko walked up with an unconscious Sawyer slung over his shoulders, my heart truly went out to Kate. The expression on her face just floored me. You could have placed a sign over her head in bold letters reading, 'WOMAN GOING INTO FULL EMOTIONAL OVERLOAD.' :shock: It was like every emotion within her was jocking for position as to which one felt she needed to act upon first. Shock won out, but only kept its spot momentarily before it got stampeded by stronger emotions.



oh me too Darbi she looked like she struck with a big time Reality stick there. Poor girl, was just out goofin around, playin golf and stuff and here comes Eko carryinig Sawyer and all the baggage he brings with him. Her's and his matching luggage :eek2:
No wonder she had an emotional breakdown of sorts, i would too with all that to deal with. I saw so many different reactions from her during those 2 epis, like Evi was giving an acting class on how to show the processes of a nervous breakdown. Yet she someehow managed to come out of all that with that big goofy smile she gave, completly for Sawyers benefit when he woke up mind you. It was nice to know all that pain and emotional upset led to something good like that. Made it all worth it :biggrin:

And darn it girl...I need you to write my next Sawyer/Fenry interaction in my fic. ;)

TA on the Tom/Sawyer show down losttvfan. I really do think that one's gonna come to blows. :chair: Hopefully with Sawyer getting the upper hand this time.

Woo Hoo! I'm so excited someone explained the multi-quote! Hee...:biggrin:
Multi-quote is nice isn't it? :biggrin:

Honey it is sooo much fun to write Sawyer/Fenry interaction, i had fun doing it as you know..

and i definatly want to see Sawyer beat the tar out of Tom :bash: that would be great theater...

Totally agree STH, exactly right I reckon - I had thought Sawyer isn't the typical romantic type, and would be ok with me if he isn't - but he would have had to bring some romance into it when he conned all those women wouldn't he? Well, maybe not all - considering that maybe all they wanted was one thing from him :lol2: - but not all women may have been as easily led astray in the beginning, he probably would have had to do some wooing some of the time anyways


Don't think it took an awful lot to get some of those women in bed LOL, look at the guy :biggrin:

But like i said before, he's not the typical romantic type, but that can be a overrted sometimes. And everyones idea of romance is different too. It's not gonna be hearts and flowers type of romance, him loving her is more than enough. Besides they are on an island, it's not like we are talkin dinner and a movie date here, unless you count boarmeat by the fire, with a tiny bottle of vodka and Hurley doin shadow puppets :lol2:

You definitely made sense Fricks! :biggrin: Showing complete devotion for him first of all, rewarded by Sawyer coming back around again to her, then her sense of hurt when he pulled that con on them all indicating she must have been feeling something more for him 'cos otherwise it wouldn't have mattered that much to her, she would have been just shocked like everyone else but she saw right through him then too while at the same time Sawyer managed to push her away a bit again to keep himself protected from those scary feelings he had for her too - it was all getting a bit too much for those two souls, they were suddenly getting too close to be able to deal with it - they need time to adjust to realizing those feelings too.
I'd go for the rollercoaster ride anyday - there may be lows at first, but the highs will end up being so worth heading for

I'm glad someone understood me Midnight i worry that my late night babbling will make no sense to anyone but me LOL

i love the rollercoaster ride myself, the merry go round is nice, it keeps you firmly on the ground, not too fast and you can pick the moving horse or the stationary one. But all it does is go around in a circle, same thing over and over. But the rollercoaster now, that'll turn you upside down, spin you around take you up to dizzying heights and drop you to the lowest of lows. You'll fear for your life but at the same tim will scream with joy the whole way. That's life, and that's the ride i prefer :biggrin:

They may be scared but if they take the chance, it could be the greatest thing that ever happened to them, life is all about risk. It's not tried if you stand outside the fire as the man says...

first off Lisa awesome post on Kate :clap:

It would be presumptuous of either side to say that Kate is 'in love' with either of these guys. I don't think she's all that sure of how she feels about either one of them. She loves them both in some capacity i'm sure but the nature of those feelings are hard to decipher for her as well as for us.

But the care she showed him when he was sick was a definate indicator of very stong feelings, as Lisa pointed out, you don't do that for just anyone. Or for someone you consider just a friend. She stayed up with him all night, holding his hand, trying to cool him off and assuring him that was in fact there and wasn't going anywhere. Jack had a hard time getting her to leave him for anything. That's a hell of devotion to give to just anyone. Strong feelings that caused major upheavel for her as we all noticed. What was wonderful was when she finally went back to his bedside and realized it wasn't Wayne it was just Saywer, and that he was in fact ok and his snarky self again. The relieved way that she smiled showed how she was reallly beginning to accept those feelings without reservation. It was just plain wonderful to see her happy again. And that Sawyer was a good part of the reason for that

Of course our boy just had to get freaked out and mess that up now didn't he? But the very fact that she was so hurt by what he did was a pretty good confirmation of just how strong she really feels for him. Whether she'll ever stop fighting and acknowledge it is something yet to be determined, in other words, will she follow what her heart tells her about him, or will she allow her head to dictate her desicion here..

go for the usual merry go round or try out the rollercoaster ride? :biggrin:

hope this made sense i'm like wired right now..

:cheerleader:

Fricks: Makes perfect sense to me because I want to skip the usual merry go round (we have been on that too long already) and go for the roller coaster ride that Sawyer and Kate will take us on!

Anyone else want a ticket for that?

:wavey::wavey::wavey:

Okay outKaSters,

We need some very sexy SKATE love...and since I am the self proclaimed keeper of the sexy SKATE love videos (hehehehe...like we don't all claim that title :biggrin: ), I decided to do up one...so here ya go...

Is it October 4 yet, I really need new slips to work with...

Hope you like it anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWPuHDjnK0

Huggs ya'll,
Lisa ;)

Okay outKaSters,

We need some very sexy SKATE love...and since I am the self proclaimed keeper of the sexy SKATE love videos (hehehehe...like we don't all claim that title :biggrin: ), I decided to do up one...so here ya go...

Is it October 4 yet, I really need new slips to work with...

Hope you like it anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWPuHDjnK0

Huggs ya'll,
Lisa ;)

:naughty: Lisa that was amazing! All my favorite sexy Skate moments and great shots of our boy......could that man be any more attractive? That smile lights up even a tiny screen! Great video! (Runs off to watch again)

Hope you like it anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWPuHDjnK0

Huggs ya'll,
Lisa ;)


Jezebelle, great video. :clap:
Kate and Sawyer are always perfect together. :crush:


Tv Guide.com ran a poll.Here are the results.

Which Lost character should die next?

Bernard. 22%
Charlie.. 16%
Eko...... 13%
Claire... 8%
jaq....... 6%
Rose.... 6%
Locke.... 6%
Hurley... 5%
Kate...... 5%
Sayid..... 4%
Sawyer.. 4 %
Jin......... 3%
Sun....... 2%

Don't think it took an awful lot to get some of those women in bed LOL, look at the guy :biggrin:

Heehee, wouldn't have been too difficult at all for the most part I'd imagine :biggrin:


But like i said before, he's not the typical romantic type, but that can be a overrted sometimes. And everyones idea of romance is different too. It's not gonna be hearts and flowers type of romance, him loving her is more than enough. Besides they are on an island, it's not like we are talkin dinner and a movie date here, unless you count boarmeat by the fire, with a tiny bottle of vodka and Hurley doin shadow puppets :lol2:

Romance can indeed be overrated at times - I could still imagine Sawyer doing the occasional little thing which could be termed romantic, especially for someone he loves too - but it wouldn't be the whole shebang either knowing what we know of him of course - what I would put way over and above the romance is the side of him that I think you mentioned before Fricks - that protectiveness element of his personality, he'd look after the woman he loves so well and God help anyone who would put her in danger in any way, shape or form :sweety:

Okay outKaSters,

We need some very sexy SKATE love...and since I am the self proclaimed keeper of the sexy SKATE love videos (hehehehe...like we don't all claim that title :biggrin: ), I decided to do up one...so here ya go...

Is it October 4 yet, I really need new slips to work with...

Hope you like it anyway...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIWPuHDjnK0

Huggs ya'll,
Lisa ;)

Loved your vid Lisa - never get tired of any of those clips but will be great when the new ones come along soon too :biggrin:

I'm surprised noone has brought this spoiler over yet, skaters at the LF are going nuts over it:


From Kristin Online:

I can tell you that at some point in the first four episodes, she does confess that she loves someone on the island. [Editor's note: This differs from what I said in the actual chat--sorry! I had it wrong at first.] It is one of the most heart-wrenching (in every single possible meaning of the phrase) scenes you will ever witness. Prepare to freak.

Also she confirmed that the first eppy, A Tale of Two Cities will be Jack centric, not Kate.

I'm very excited about Kate finally admitting some of her feelings. Note the wording. I would speculate that she either is forced into a confession somehow by Fenry playing mindgames with her, she might not even say who, just admit to the feelings themselves. Or...Jack and Sawyer both get chances to see her, and Kate tells one of the guys how she truly feels about the OTHER ONE. How more heart-wrenching could that be?

Note also she uses the word wrench and adds that little aside. It may be a silly notion on my part but think about it:

Before May Sweeps we heard the following -
Sawyer and Kate were going to steam it up, possibly have sex
There would be a wrench put in the Jack/Kate ship
Kate would find out about the Sana sex and have a reaction.

None of this eventuated. But the PTB have admitted since then that they had to put some things on hold because of the demands and changes of the finale run of eps, but now they were hoping to get to those things they delayed, the romance/relationship stuff.

This makes me cautiously optimistic that they are simply retooling what they intended all along - which is Sawyer and Kate becoming a bonafide couple. :biggrin:

I'm surprised noone has brought this spoiler over yet, skaters at the LF are going nuts over it:
All I can think is
by "heart-wrenching", she means some kind of confrontation over the Sana sex. Kate HAS to find out about it, and she'll be upset...and maybe then come the realizations and confessions of love...?

Though the comment about "every single meaning" is worrysome. If Kate flatlines, and Jack has to heroically revive her a'la Charlie from S1, while spewing his confessions of love for her all over the place... :puke:

All I can think is
by "heart-wrenching", she means some kind of confrontation over the Sana sex. Kate HAS to find out about it, and she'll be upset...and maybe then come the realizations and confessions of love...?

you know what? that sounds on the level right there....

and would certainly qualify as heart-wrenching now wouldn't, esp when you consider that Evi specifically said she had filmed scenes with Sawyer as well as Fenry already 'good' ones... she made a point of mentinong thing.. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic here.. but i think i'm with Zoriah maybe they are doing what they intended to last year this year... we can only hope

i'll have more to say later after work.. :biggrin:

you know what? that sounds on the level right there....

and would certainly qualify as heart-wrenching now wouldn't, esp when you consider that Evi specifically said she had filmed scenes with Sawyer as well as Fenry already 'good' ones... she made a point of mentinong thing.. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic here.. but i think i'm with Zoriah maybe they are doing what they intended to last year this year... we can only hope

i'll have more to say later after work.. :biggrin:

Oooooh, maybe SAWYER is the one that saves her this time! :biggrin:

It was a wonderful video Lisa, perfect lyrics for those 2 ;)

I'm surprised noone has brought this spoiler over yet, skaters at the LF are going nuts over it:



Also she confirmed that the first eppy, A Tale of Two Cities will be Jack centric, not Kate.

I'm very excited about Kate finally admitting some of her feelings. Note the wording. I would speculate that she either is forced into a confession somehow by Fenry playing mindgames with her, she might not even say who, just admit to the feelings themselves. Or...Jack and Sawyer both get chances to see her, and Kate tells one of the guys how she truly feels about the OTHER ONE. How more heart-wrenching could that be?

Note also she uses the word wrench and adds that little aside. It may be a silly notion on my part but think about it:

Before May Sweeps we heard the following -
Sawyer and Kate were going to steam it up, possibly have sex
There would be a wrench put in the Jack/Kate ship
Kate would find out about the Sana sex and have a reaction.

None of this eventuated. But the PTB have admitted since then that they had to put some things on hold because of the demands and changes of the finale run of eps, but now they were hoping to get to those things they delayed, the romance/relationship stuff.

This makes me cautiously optimistic that they are simply retooling what they intended all along - which is Sawyer and Kate becoming a bonafide couple. :biggrin:

Spoiler chat...
At first I was worried about the heart-wrenching terminology, especially when we thought it was one of the 2 men who professed their love, but I like that its Kate, and I like the idea, that shes forced to confess infront of Jack, or that it comes before or after she finds out about the Sana sex. I think that would be very interesting.

I like the idea too that they pick up where they left off last year. I know Im not alone in feeling that we were ripped off. I was highly dissatisfied at the end of s2, cause we were told certain things and they didnt happen. Would be good to keep that storyline in motion.

And remaining cautiously optimistic, as always. :)

Do you guys ever feel like we're selling ourselves out to the highest bidder when it comes to spoilers or just the tinsiest bit of shipper news? ;)

Kristin, who has proven herself time and again to be a flake manages to work shippers up into a frenzy each week with information with just a tiny bit, and I do mean tiny bit more than what we can speculate and come to conclusions on ourselves given what TPTB have stated and the recent promos. Why do we do this to ourselves every week?

I, for one, am exhausted.

Hehe Darbi, I know. I guess I have always been one for spoilers, so I accept the emotional rollercoaster ride that inevitably comes with it.

For me, I like to be prepared for major disappointments. Buffy taught me that lesson.

General speculation but spoiler fonting just in case:

As to the development of our lovely couple, and what the future may bring for them: I am strongly in favour of the PTB stepping off the fence and finally letting one pairing have a chance to go full steam ahead. I want to see commitment from the writers to make it organic, real, believable and conducive to moving the main story arcs forward, which ever way they ultimately go as the series progresses.

I, as a devout skater fan, would not want Sawyer and Kate put together as a ratings stunt if the essential elements of their characters were sacrificed in the process. I have no desire to see our couple reduced to a sappy mushy interaction. These kids are passionate, headstrong, damaged, and in a perilous situation. There is no time for cheesy romance. As long as the PTB don't compromise Sawyer's edge, and Kate's desire to remain 'free' I will be happy. I can even stomach a Jack/Kate pairing IF they give Kate back her fire and don't let her be subservient to his desires and approval. However, I still feel putting them together would lead to more boring traditional romantic scenes and not really add anything to the other story arcs. I mean Sawyer having to deal with commitment, and having someone else more important in his life than himself, Jack having to let go of his feelings and sense of entitlement over Kate...much more interesting IMO.

Ausiello released a new order of flashbacks.

2nd episode Locke
3rd episode Sun/Jin
4th episode
SAWYER
I hope that is good news for us.

Wow, we were just speculating over at the LF that (due to the admittance by Gregg that foilers on the casting sides were released) Episode 4 actually looked more like a Sawyer centric ep than a Desmond. Woohooo!

If what Kristin says is true that Kate will confess her feelings for one of the guys in the first four eps, what do you think the chances are it will be ep 4? :biggrin: That could still mean she's telling Sawyer she has deeper feelings for Jack than him, but still the casting sides about a boxing partner makes me wonder if Sawyer finds himself in a dangerous fight/match as part of his captivity experience, which could mean he is hurt enough for Kate to make her feelings known.

Not that I'm disputing the possibility, but...

Wouldn't that be a retooling of S2 with Sawyer returning to Kate near death, evoking an avalanche of what I can only assume were suppressed feelings?

Good point Darbi, however...

I was trying to make sense of the fact that there were casting sides for a large latino guy who was meant to be a boxing expert. Now this last part may be false too, and he may only figure in the flashbacks as a crim. I don't know.

I was trying to imagine what kind of tests Sawyer might be put through, and I could see something along the lines of Sawyer being fed up and royally mind screwed by the others, I had envisioned a situation where Sawyer was refusing to yield, and letting himself get pummeled but still getting up for more punishment, and Kate begging him to just quit and admit defeat. *shrug* Just random speculation :)

Good point Darbi, however...

I was trying to make sense of the fact that there were casting sides for a large latino guy who was meant to be a boxing expert. Now this last part may be false too, and he may only figure in the flashbacks as a crim. I don't know.

I was trying to imagine what kind of tests Sawyer might be put through, and I could see something along the lines of Sawyer being fed up and royally mind screwed by the others, I had envisioned a situation where Sawyer was refusing to yield, and letting himself get pummeled but still getting up for more punishment, and Kate begging him to just quit and admit defeat. *shrug* Just random speculation :)

Ahh...

See, this is why spoilers are bad. Evil threads of possible truths that get woven in with speculations, hopes, fears, resentments and a host of other emotions that we end up getting far too worked up about.

However, since we are speculating here, ;) I have no doubt that if Sawyer's being tortured, given that he's a bit of a masochist, he's not going to yield. Also, depending on what type of mind benders they send him through, his simply taking the punishment may be his way of trying to keep the "Others" from hurting Kate and Jack. Especially if he feels he deserves the punishment anyways.

so we are definatly getting...
a Sawyer epi now? That makes me happy for many reasons :biggrin: so we can safely assume that Kate will have either 5 or 6 as her epi then. I'd imagine seeing as how those 2 are in a sweeps month that the chocie would be then.... and i 'm thinking the confession could be in Sawyers? sounds very plausible to me..

and something else occured to me, about the casting foilers, remember the description originally for Ms. Klugh for 3 minutes was 'a smart, edgy businesswoman in her mid 40's.'. and she turned out to be an other.. so as far as the guest stars, they aren't always what they are made out to be.. so we'll see...

i hate this speculation hehehehe
damn i can't wait for Oct hurrry up!!!!:hissy:

It was a wonderful video Lisa, perfect lyrics for those 2 ;)



Spoiler chat...
At first I was worried about the heart-wrenching terminology, especially when we thought it was one of the 2 men who professed their love, but I like that its Kate, and I like the idea, that shes forced to confess infront of Jack, or that it comes before or after she finds out about the Sana sex. I think that would be very interesting.

I like the idea too that they pick up where they left off last year. I know Im not alone in feeling that we were ripped off. I was highly dissatisfied at the end of s2, cause we were told certain things and they didnt happen. Would be good to keep that storyline in motion.

And remaining cautiously optimistic, as always. :)

Thank you GS, I'm glad you liked it...

I'm remaining cautiously optimistic too but my optimism is up to about 93% right now, but I'm keeping a 7% possibility just on the far off chance that we get thrown a curve ball.

Do you guys ever feel like we're selling ourselves out to the highest bidder when it comes to spoilers or just the tinsiest bit of shipper news? ;)

Kristin, who has proven herself time and again to be a flake manages to work shippers up into a frenzy each week with information with just a tiny bit, and I do mean tiny bit more than what we can speculate and come to conclusions on ourselves given what TPTB have stated and the recent promos. Why do we do this to ourselves every week?

I, for one, am exhausted.

Oh absolutely Darbi, I am such a spoiler lover, I have to find them all even if it drives me nuts...I know they'll put me in the spoiler "rubber room", er, rubber cage, before too long...hehehe :biggrin:

Ausiello released a new order of flashbacks.

2nd episode Locke
3rd episode Sun/Jin
4th episode
SAWYER
I hope that is good news for us.

Can i get a collective SQUEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Like I said y'all...I'm remaining about 93% sure...I'm sure by episode #4 I'll be about 115% sure, but for right now I'll hang on to just the twinge of doubt, just so I'm not completely blindsided...Also y'all, don't forget we still haven't gotten the flashback from last season that we were supposed to get...so maybe we'll see it this season...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

Hi guys,

I'm a Jater but, in the spirit of sharing, there's a link in the Jater thread to a promo for a show called "ABC Sneak Peeks" which has some "LOST" on it and is supposed to be on tonight after "Dancing with the Stars"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1qVSXkZVoU

Hugs

Originally Posted by addicted2much http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/images/FuselageGreen/buttons/viewpost.gif
Ausiello released a new order of flashbacks.

Spoiler:
2nd episode Locke
3rd episode Sun/Jin
4th episode
SAWYER
I hope that is good news for us.

Can i get a collective SQUEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:

Like I said y'all...I'm remaining about 93% sure...I'm sure by episode #4 I'll be about 115% sure, but for right now I'll hang on to just the twinge of doubt, just so I'm not completely blindsided...Also y'all, don't forget we still haven't gotten the flashback from last season that we were supposed to get...so maybe we'll see it this season...
Sounds good enough to me for a SQUEEEEEEEE Lisa ;)
I'm remaining very cautiously optimistic too, have to have those doubts 'cos we never can tell 'til it happens.....

Wish I could see the 'sneak peeks' too Dani_E but living in the wrong country :unhappy: - will have to rely on hearing all about them here :)

I saw a LOST promo on the sports station at this hamburger joint I ate at today! :biggrin:

As for the latest "spoiler," all I can say is:
TAMPA JOB! TAMPA JOB! TAMPA JOB!

Howdy Y'all!!

I just finsihed watching the special on LOST and I think that our dear Losttvfan and I have it figured out. Are you ready for our theory?

Okay, now this is purely speculation based on what I saw in the little thing they had on ABC tonight, and as expected, LOST was, of course, the last one, gotta save the best for last. Here's my take on it...and I have to say it was filled to the brim with Sawyer and actaully had a whole Sawyer only scene.

The scene opened with Sawyer testing the limits of the "cage". There are various levers in the cage, which to me remind me of something relatied to the idea of negative reinforcement that seems to be so prevelant in psychological theory.

As Sawyer attempts to try the various levers and basicially familiarize himself with his surroundings, he notices a button with a knife and a fork on it which, is so textbook y'all. I mean it's obvious this is an attempt to get him to adhere to certain behaviors in order to elicit a certain response. Anyway, he pressed the button 3-4 times, I think 4, (which would follow along with the numbers) and is shoved backwards by some sort of forcefield, this also being negative reinforcement.

Sawyer speaks to some guy names Carl, whose face we do not see, but Carl tells him not do that, as he pushes the button the last time and flies across the cage and hits the bars.

Now here's where Losttv's and my theory comes in. We know from the current spoilers that we've seen that there is suppose to be a heart wrenching scene. Well we think it's not going to be Kate confessing to jack that she loves Sawyer or even Kate confessing to Sawyer, though her confession is, in my opinion, going to happen.

Where we think the heart wrenching part comes in, is when Kate tells him she loves him he'll tell her he doesn't deserve her love and that he's not worthy of it. We also think this is where SAWYER will be the one to break down and hit his "emotional rock bottom".

In our speculation, he could be the one to crack as we have not seen that.
We have seen Kate crack a couple of times and we have seen Jack breakdown, but we have never ever seen Sawyer crack. This could very well be what happens.

Also, we have never seen the flashback on the Tampa Job which has been said is about Sawyer's distrust of women, so what better time to use that FB than in an episode where Kate confesses her love for him and he doesn't trust it, no does he think he deserves it. What could possibly be more heart wrenching than that?

Now, please don't take this as fact because it is absolutely not, and absolutely not grounded in anything but mine and Losttv's own deductive reasoning abilities.

Just my thoughts,
Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Lisa:

Chapter 3, please! :grin:

STH,

Losttvfan just told me on the phone that she was surprised you hadn't asked me for it yet...SKATE minds!!!!!

Huggs darlin!

Lisa, Lost...wonderful theory. Very plausible. I have a few theories too, but I'll have to pm you both later. I'm too sleepy to type the whole thing out tonight.


I do have a question though...



Who does Kate confess her feelings to if not Jack or Sawyer?

Howdy Y'all!!

I just finsihed watching the special on LOST and I think that our dear Losttvfan and I have it figured out. Are you ready for our theory?

Okay, now this is purely speculation based on what I saw in the little thing they had on ABC tonight, and as expected, LOST was, of course, the last one, gotta save the best for last. Here's my take on it...and I have to say it was filled to the brim with Sawyer and actaully had a whole Sawyer only scene.

The scene opened with Sawyer testing the limits of the "cage". There are various levers in the cage, which to me remind me of something relatied to the idea of negative reinforcement that seems to be so prevelant in psychological theory.

As Sawyer attempts to try the various levers and basicially familiarize himself with his surroundings, he notices a button with a knife and a fork on it which, is so textbook y'all. I mean it's obvious this is an attempt to get him to adhere to certain behaviors in order to elicit a certain response. Anyway, he pressed the button 3-4 times, I think 4, (which would follow along with the numbers) and is shoved backwards by some sort of forcefield, this also being negative reinforcement.

Sawyer speaks to some guy names Carl, whose face we do not see, but Carl tells him not do that, as he pushes the button the last time and flies across the cage and hits the bars.

Now here's where Losttv's and my theory comes in. We know from the current spoilers that we've seen that there is suppose to be a heart wrenching scene. Well we think it's not going to be Kate confessing to jack that she loves Sawyer or even Kate confessing to Sawyer, though her confession is, in my opinion, going to happen.

Where we think the heart wrenching part comes in, is when Kate tells him she loves him he'll tell her he doesn't deserve her love and that he's not worthy of it. We also think this is where SAWYER will be the one to break down and hit his "emotional rock bottom".

In our speculation, he could be the one to crack as we have not seen that.
We have seen Kate crack a couple of times and we have seen Jack breakdown, but we have never ever seen Sawyer crack. This could very well be what happens.

Also, we have never seen the flashback on the Tampa Job which has been said is about Sawyer's distrust of women, so what better time to use that FB than in an episode where Kate confesses her love for him and he doesn't trust it, no does he think he deserves it. What could possibly be more heart wrenching than that?

Now, please don't take this as fact because it is absolutely not, and absolutely not grounded in anything but mine and Losttv's own deductive reasoning abilities.

Just my thoughts,
Huggs,
Lisa ;)

wow Lisa :eek2: fantastic, and scary threory there...
but oh so plausible..
sounds an awful like negative reinforcement to me, a conditioned response to various stimulis, they are definatly doing some psyhological stuff here it seems, and i could definatly see a terrible probabilty of him cracking here, esp if he's allowed to see kate at all.
and Darbi i would certainly like to hear yours too..

and i realized that i forgot to add my SQUEEEEEE :biggrin: about
Sawyer's upcoming epi

Okay everyone,

Chapter 3 is up at the UK board.

www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk)

Lisa, Lost...wonderful theory. Very plausible. I have a few theories too, but I'll have to pm you both later. I'm too sleepy to type the whole thing out tonight.


I do have a question though...



Who does Kate confess her feelings to if not Jack or Sawyer?

Sorry Darbi, I might not have clarified that...Mine and Losttv's theory think Kate will confess to Sawyer to keep him for allowing the other to keep trying to break him. That maybe the only way they can get him to go along, and when she does, he'll tell her he's not worthy of her loving him.

Now here's another thought I just now thought about, remember at the DVD release party when Josh said, "why does the woman get to chose, why can I say, 'no, you shoulda chose the other guy'." Maybe that's not so far off the mark? Interesting, huh?

Huggs,
Lisa

:clap:, Lisa!

So this sleazeball Jack "owns" Kate, does he? And how did this come about? Yeah, I know, I know--wait and see. :rolleyes:

Like how James' and Kate's eyes met in this chapter. Kewl!

James has a kid by this Susan woman? THAT'S gonna make an interesting story, too--when you get around to telling it! :10:

How soon before James makes his con on Jack? We don't get to see James & Kate together until that happens, I know! So HURRY UP, already! :D

Lisa, Lost...wonderful theory. Very plausible. I have a few theories too, but I'll have to pm you both later. I'm too sleepy to type the whole thing out tonight.


I do have a question though...



Who does Kate confess her feelings to if not Jack or Sawyer?

Darbi: Can't wait to hear what you think. Your theories are always wonderful. As for your question:


Kate's confession WILL be to Sawyer, but Lisa and I think he will be the one with the "gut wrenching" moment. Our boy won't surrender to any kind of pain or torture....and Kate will have to convince him to quit hurting himself, she is the only one who can. Remember the scene with Sayid? Saywer enjoys pain, believes he deserves it. He has been punishing himself for a long time, all the better if he can get someone else to do it!

Before he is injured or killed; Kate will have to convince him there IS something worth living for...her. His reaction to her confession will be gut wrenching! Can he believe her? Trust her? He doesn't feel he deserves love. And it scares him to death, love has never brought him anything be pain. He fears loving and being loved. All that emotion, fear, desire, the anger he carries, all that pain is going erupt in a powerful meltdown......and Josh could put that on the screen in a raw, real moment (and yes, gut wrenching). Can you imagine Sawyer coming apart? Darbi, there's your "beautiful mess".

We know Sawyer, he will try to push her away, but we know Kate too, she ALWAYS pushes back. Keeps him honest, sees beneath the surface, touches him in a way he let's no one else. He will deny his feelings, probably try to hurt her but in the end, she will push him over the edge,,,,,,and take him, kicking and fighting, somewhere he has never been.....and maybe home and (sigh) finally in her arms.


I can't wait! BTW, I think Kate has always regreted not giving him a reason to stay on the Island and letting him leave on the raft....the consequenses were painful. I don't believe she will make that mistake again or miss that opportunity if it comes back around.

Have we seen this yet????!


Lots of Sawyer in the cage, and a little Karl, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1GocGVIkb4

Kate's confession WILL be to Sawyer, but Lisa and I think he will be the one with the "gut wrenching" moment. Our boy won't surrender to any kind of pain or torture....and Kate will have to convince him to quit hurting himself, she is the only one who can. Remember the scene with Sayid? Saywer enjoys pain, believes he deserves it. He has been punishing himself for a long time, all the better if he can get someone else to do it!

Before he is injured or killed; Kate will have to convince him there IS something worth living for...her. His reaction to her confession will be gut wrenching! Can he believe her? Trust her? He doesn't feel he deserves love. And it scares him to death, love has never brought him anything be pain. He fears loving and being loved. All that emotion, fear, desire, the anger he carries, all that pain is going erupt in a powerful meltdown......and Josh could put that on the screen in a raw, real moment (and yes, gut wrenching). Can you imagine Sawyer coming apart? Darbi, there's your "beautiful mess".

We know Sawyer, he will try to push her away, but we know Kate too, she ALWAYS pushes back. Keeps him honest, sees beneath the surface, touches him in a way he let's no one else. He will deny his feelings, probably try to hurt her but in the end, she will push him over the edge,,,,,,and take him, kicking and fighting, somewhere he has never been.....and maybe home and (sigh) finally in her arms.



:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

That's exactly how i want it to be!!!

Darbi: Can't wait to hear what you think. Your theories are always wonderful. As for your question:


Kate's confession WILL be to Sawyer, but Lisa and I think he will be the one with the "gut wrenching" moment. Our boy won't surrender to any kind of pain or torture....and Kate will have to convince him to quit hurting himself, she is the only one who can. Remember the scene with Sayid? Saywer enjoys pain, believes he deserves it. He has been punishing himself for a long time, all the better if he can get someone else to do it!

Before he is injured or killed; Kate will have to convince him there IS something worth living for...her. His reaction to her confession will be gut wrenching! Can he believe her? Trust her? He doesn't feel he deserves love. And it scares him to death, love has never brought him anything be pain. He fears loving and being loved. All that emotion, fear, desire, the anger he carries, all that pain is going erupt in a powerful meltdown......and Josh could put that on the screen in a raw, real moment (and yes, gut wrenching). Can you imagine Sawyer coming apart? Darbi, there's your "beautiful mess".

We know Sawyer, he will try to push her away, but we know Kate too, she ALWAYS pushes back. Keeps him honest, sees beneath the surface, touches him in a way he let's no one else. He will deny his feelings, probably try to hurt her but in the end, she will push him over the edge,,,,,,and take him, kicking and fighting, somewhere he has never been.....and maybe home and (sigh) finally in her arms.


I can't wait! BTW, I think Kate has always regreted not giving him a reason to stay on the Island and letting him leave on the raft....the consequenses were painful. I don't believe she will make that mistake again or miss that opportunity if it comes back around.

And I do want my beautiful mess. :thumbsup:

I pm'd you and Lisa with my thoughts, but I wanted to comment on the point you made about Sawyer having a meltdown.

In watching that clip of him in that cage with the levers and buttons (pure psychological experiment) and the negative reinforcement after pushing the button (continuincy from S2?) too many times, I think our boy is in for a serious skull hump while captive. Truth be told, it's about darn time.

This may be a stretch, but remember in 'THP' when Locke asks Sawyer why he chose that particular name, then proceeds to call him James from that point on? Well, we know that Sawyer's reaction was negative to the probing, and use of that name. ("His momma named James, I'ma call 'em James.") Sorry. 'Coming To America flashback. :blush:

Anywho...it may have simply been a non-threatening prickling of his conscious coming from Locke, someone he doesn't necessarily trust, but who has reached out to try and help him at a particularly troublesome time a few weeks back. The option for him to reconnect with James, or at least come to terms with how he erroneously allowed Sawyer's persona to dictate his life plan, to finally start forgiving himself and accepting that he's worthy of love. But Sawyer being Sawyer he rejects all notions of the idea by pushing everyone away once again with the gun heist. The only problem with that is he's beginning to like these people just a little bit, kind of, and it's not quite as easy to keep up the act of wanting to be hated.

Then there's Kate. Always a darn woman gumming up the works, isn't there? :laughing:

With the "Others", I think where he had a choice to make a change, to choose a different path when he returned near death, this time the choice is being made for him. In typical Sawyer fashion he's going to fight it tooth and nail. The idea of someone else taking the decision out of his hands, stripping him of any control isn't one he's going to accept at all.

As I mentioned in my pm, I believe Sawyer is going to face something while captive that has such a profound effect on him it's going to shake him to his very core. While we may see him dealing with the situation in typical Sawyer fashion, as the season unfolds, we'll understand his decision to push everyone and everything away is key in how his character grows, but for the better.


At least, that's my hope.

I've not added much of anything to the discourse, but I just wanted to let y'all know that I'm having a great time reading it. :)

I've not added much of anything to the discourse, but I just wanted to let y'all know that I'm having a great time reading it. :)

LOL, Im right there with ya Sheebs ;). Found myself speechless as to the brilliant theories and discussion going on. So keep it up, great theories so far...:D

P.S. Lisa, great chapter.:)

Eek, Sawyer has a kid? is there a significance to 8 years?

Love the angst, cant wait for the next chap. Good work!

Hey everyone!!! I'm back! My house I moved into was supposed to have the internet when we moved in but the company screwed us over and we only just got it today! I really missed this forum! How is everybody? I would be here forever if I rtead every page since ive been gone, so I've been reading the recent thoughts!

As for these new spoilers

Firstly I'm so excited about the possibility os sawyer having his flashback in episode 4! I think it should either be about the tampa job or who brought him up/who taught him to cin etc because it seems silly to just show us something new and leave those massive questions we have about those evets as thery seem to be resolving osme of the character back stories, like why locvke was in the wheel chair and jack's tatoo's etc. But then you never know with the writers, the do like to gove us more questions rather than answers!

As for the new scene from season 3, again I was so pleased that it was sawyer (and is it just me or has he got even more gorgeous, or have I just been having withdrawels with no new scenes?) and I hope this marks the fact that his character will be more significant this season!

As for the cage, it automatically reminded me of the kind of cages that gorillas/monkeys are kept in in zoo's, wirth the different levels and the shape, which got me thinking that the cage could have originally been a testing zone for monkey's, because wasn't there supposedly a zoo-ology hatch hence the polar bear. And with the levers and the button, it reminded me of the thing you used to see in experiments on conditioning monkey's and negatice re-inforcement that i did in my psychology A level!

I thought that the fact theres a guy in a another cage is totally cool as well! Is he a tallie who wouldn't co-operate with the others? ois he an other who has been naughty? Is he an other posing as a prisioner for some kind of experiment or surveillence? What I thought was the most interesting is that in the spoilers for kate's flashback it mentioned an attractive 20 something year old called Karl would be in it. Is thisd the same Karl? Or is Karl some kind of rude nickname we arn't aware of that sawyer made up, who knows? But I thought the possible cpnnection might be cool. Is this the guy kate was married too?

As for the kristen spoiler, I don't really trust her at all, but it is still cool. I like the fact that she does actually love one of them, which we couldn't really be sure of before.
I think it was obvious any scene with any of them admitting their feelings would be heart wrenching! I thought it wasd interesting she emphasised "every sense of the word."

I love all of the scenario's everyone has suggested and all I can say is I wish that they would happen, and hopefully they will! It almost seems too awsome to imagine them giving us a kate/sawyer pairing but I genuinely believe that it would be the more interesting from a writing perspective. But I do just want them to choose one pair and stick with it and develop it, and if she chooses jack, for them to make is amazing and show us that the couple do make sense, where I think most of us atm based on what we see in the show don't really believe!


Well thats gthe end of my rant, especially considering the fact that I accidently deleted half of this post and had to re-write it! Oh and I am going to start writing more of my fan fic tmrw, I've just been so knackered with my new job, its awsome, but so tireing!

Hi everyone!
I don't know where to put this i hope it's the right place i think you're gonna love it!:biggrin:
Both jack and sawyer had confess Kate didn't let them indifferent:
For sawyer it was in Born to run and for jack in SOS...
now you just have to compare the fire between them in those scenes...i think it says everything...:p
jack/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x19-sos/7/normal_sos-cap668.jpg
sawyer/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x22-born/normal_borntorun820.jpg

Hi everyone!
I don't know where to put this i hope it's the right place i think you're gonna love it!:biggrin:
Both jack and sawyer had confess Kate didn't let them indifferent:
For sawyer it was in Born to run and for jack in SOS...
now you just have to compare the fire between them in those scenes...i think it says everything...:p
jack/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x19-sos/7/normal_sos-cap668.jpg
sawyer/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x22-born/normal_borntorun820.jpg

I wonder if the fire itself in these scenes does symbolize something too? If so, then no doubt the Skate fire looks a lot warmer :inlove:

Love all your recent speculations everyone - think I'm too tired to add any of my own, so just going to enjoy reading for now & hoping that maybe one of your scenarios can happen :biggrin:

:clap:, Lisa!

So this sleazeball Jack "owns" Kate, does he? And how did this come about? Yeah, I know, I know--wait and see. :rolleyes:

Like how James' and Kate's eyes met in this chapter. Kewl!

James has a kid by this Susan woman? THAT'S gonna make an interesting story, too--when you get around to telling it! :10:

How soon before James makes his con on Jack? We don't get to see James & Kate together until that happens, I know! So HURRY UP, already! :D

Well my dear STH, let me answer you...

I'm not sure how the child is going to play out, probably not a whole lot. James's daughter doesn't even know he's her father, so that may not come out much at all.

The con will happen pretty soon...

Susan won't be figuring much more into the story. It's going to be come more about him trying to get to Kate and her hating Jack, which based on the sex scene I wrote last night gives her a lot of reason...hehehe

LOL, Im right there with ya Sheebs ;). Found myself speechless as to the brilliant theories and discussion going on. So keep it up, great theories so far...:D

P.S. Lisa, great chapter.:)

Eek, Sawyer has a kid? is there a significance to 8 years?

Love the angst, cant wait for the next chap. Good work!

That's a good question, GS.

other than the fact that 8 is one of the numbers and James' father killed himself, 8 doesn't really have any significance here. But if you have something you think I should add, by all means, suggest it.

I've not added much of anything to the discourse, but I just wanted to let y'all know that I'm having a great time reading it. :)
:shesaid:

hi OutKaSts!
I'm back after a long vacation,I missed you :kiss:
I'm avoiding spoilers so I feel like I have nothing to say :crybaby: except that I share Lisa's optimism about Skate in S3.I found this old article last day and JJ's comment about the skate kiss strengthens my belief

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-27708

I also found some hilarious stuff about LOST
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47813

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47814
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47815
the mixed FB:lol1:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47816
Kate suturing Jack's back is priseless:rotflmao2:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47817
I hope you enjoy this as much as I did ;)

great speculations guys, i'd love for any of those to come true...not sure if i had much to add to that...

as for
the whole Karl thing, that looked like another one of those casting foilers they threw out, apparently theres a been a few of those. Kinda like the Mrs. Klugh one that described her as an 'edgy, successful businesswoman in her mid 40's' and she turned out to be an Other... I wonder who this guy is. Certainly adds an interesting element though...

and Raven that was the first thing i thought of when i saw it, it looked like one of those cages used to train animals with negative reinforcement, don't really like the sound of that all that much. Seein as how we all know much Sawyer responds to that, by askinig for more. Such a mascohist that one.. And i'm tellin ya i'm not liking that one promo pic where he's layin on the ground, that bugs me just a bit.

and lost that whole thing you and Darbi wrote about the breaking down of Sawyer, something like that's gonna take alot and be very painful to see, but i think it will happen, i just hope Kates there when it does.

damn is it Oct 4th yet?

Hi everyone!
I don't know where to put this i hope it's the right place i think you're gonna love it!:biggrin:
Both jack and sawyer had confess Kate didn't let them indifferent:
For sawyer it was in Born to run and for jack in SOS...
now you just have to compare the fire between them in those scenes...i think it says everything...:p
jack/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x19-sos/7/normal_sos-cap668.jpg
sawyer/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x22-born/normal_borntorun820.jpg

the Skate fire is a bit bigger no? very interesting, i do wonder about the symbolic nature of that... :biggrin:

aaaaaaaaaaaaand Leah Kate updated :biggrin:
it's unbelieable... extraordinary.. just plain beautiful.. i squeeeeed my little head off...

Makes me want to break out into a chorus of "Ring of Fire." How 'bout you? :laughing:

Lisa--Chapter 4! ASAP!

Hi everyone!
I don't know where to put this i hope it's the right place i think you're gonna love it!:biggrin:
Both jack and sawyer had confess Kate didn't let them indifferent:
For sawyer it was in Born to run and for jack in SOS...
now you just have to compare the fire between them in those scenes...i think it says everything...:p
jack/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x19-sos/7/normal_sos-cap668.jpg
sawyer/kate:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x22-born/normal_borntorun820.jpg

:wub: Calypso: Great catch, hum sort of like the flashlight thing we all noticed (and no I am not going to explain that, but most OutKaSters will remember). We need Perdue's thoughts on the difference in the size of the fires.....she is our resident expert in symbolism!

question about this screencap-

Sawyer is so beautiful in this pic, but why do you suppose his chest/collarbone area is so much darker than his neck? Is it make-up for filming?? http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=73554&fullsize=1

question about this screencap-

Sawyer is so beautiful in this pic, but why do you suppose his chest/collarbone area is so much darker than his neck? Is it make-up for filming?? http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=73554&fullsize=1


Its just the lighting and shadows

Ravenmoon, I agree with everything you said ;). Wonderful rant as usual. Happy to have you back and glad you like your new job. :)

Calypso, I definately think your onto something with the fire analogy. Symbolism in everything, and I know I thought the intensity of the two scenes was reflected in the size of that fire.

Sk8, those comics were awesome. Great find! :D

Lisa, very interesting about your fict. Those darn numbers are everywhere :p.

So excited to read Leah Kates update, I hear its a hot one. Phew.

And I got chapter 4 of my fict Sum of a Whole up. Heres the link....

http://kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1526&i=1

Enjoy :D

Have a great weekend Skaters!!!

question about this screencap-

Sawyer is so beautiful in this pic, but why do you suppose his chest/collarbone area is so much darker than his neck? Is it make-up for filming?? http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=73554&fullsize=1

It looks like a line from where the bag was over his head. Like maybe he gets really dirty for some reason and the bag keeps his head and neck from getting dirty.

Well, it looks like we've hit another lull in conversation yet again, so...time for a question?


S3, according to the TPTB will be filled with adventure, action and romance. Now, if my intuition is anything to go by that's a nice, nifty package to disguise the mythology we know they plan to interweave into the storyline. ;) On that note, what are your predictions or hopes for Sawyer and Kate individually, and hopefully as a couple this season in regards to the shows mythology? What will they discover about themselves?

That's pretty much what I think, too, Luanne.

Poor James! Shoulda known better than to push The Others' buttons! :D

question about this screencap-

Sawyer is so beautiful in this pic, but why do you suppose his chest/collarbone area is so much darker than his neck? Is it make-up for filming?? http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=73554&fullsize=1

He's so pretty when he's sleepin'...

S3, according to the TPTB will be filled with adventure, action and romance. Now, if my intuition is anything to go by that's a nice, nifty package to disguise the mythology we know they plan to interweave into the storyline. ;) On that note, what are your predictions or hopes for Sawyer and Kate individually, and hopefully as a couple this season in regards to the shows mythology? What will they discover about themselves?

From WKD:

Sawyer: Are we saved?
Kate: No Sawyer. Not yet.

I hope that this is what they'll be working towards, and doing it together. Not saved as is rescued from the Island, but saved as in they'll finally be able to put their demons to rest, and forgive themselves for their past mistakes. They are both victims of circumstances beyond their control; in response, both took their own forms of "vigilante control", and ended up as rather unwilling murderers. Sawyer has verbalized that he doesn't think he's a good person; Kate has as well. They need each other to help prove themselves wrong.

I believe redemption & human salvation are at the heart of the show's mythology, and Sawyer & Kate are on the same road, coming from a similar place - - they have major baggage, and major issues to deal with, much larger than any sort of "my daddy didn't understand me" stuff. Together they'll be stronger, they'll help each other find their own forgiveness and salvation, and make peace with their pasts.

At least, that's what I'm hoping for in S3. :)

:wub: Evangeline Lilly will be on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on Wednesday, September 27th.

That's in about two weeks, so they should probably be done filming most, if not all the first six episodes.

It should be interesting what she has to say about the upcoming season and the resolution of the triangle (AKA Kate’s choice).

The date is significant because it is exactly ONE week before the start of Season Three!

:wub: Calypso: Great catch, hum sort of like the flashlight thing we all noticed (and no I am not going to explain that, but most OutKaSters will remember). We need Perdue's thoughts on the difference in the size of the fires.....she is our resident expert in symbolism!

OMG the flashlights... you baaaaaaaad girl you just had to bring that up again didn't you? :naughty:

anyways just wanted to check in and i'll do my best to answer Darbi's question later when i get back..

and to whomevers interested, my fics updated at UK... so much to do and so little time to do it seems, its a wonder i can keep up with anything... :biggrin:

He's so pretty when he's sleepin'...

Don't think that that got past me!

I post a question and realize that I haven't formed an answer or even a thought as to what I'd like to see for these two in S3.

I suppose one thing I am happy about is they will both be a part of the action this season in a major way whether they're a "couple" or not. As cool, even if slighty geeky for Sawyer to have such a fine appreciation for good literature, I'd like to see him doing more than sitting around on his duff reading books, shooting off snappy one-liners to passer-bys.

I also want to see sassy, self-assured, resourceful Kate return in full force. Her "big sister" role in 'ML' and commando act in 'LTDA' really has me excited to see what's in store for her character this season with or without a man.

I post a question and realize that I haven't formed an answer or even a thought as to what I'd like to see for these two in S3.

I suppose one thing I am happy about is they will both be a part of the action this season in a major way whether they're a "couple" or not. As cool, even if slighty geeky for Sawyer to have such a fine appreciation for good literature, I'd like to see him doing more than sitting around on his duff reading books, shooting off snappy one-liners to passer-bys.

I also want to see sassy, self-assured, resourceful Kate return in full force. Her "big sister" role in 'ML' and commando act in 'LTDA' really has me excited to see what's in store for her character this season with or without a man.

:shesaid: Yes, I really want the strong, feisty Kate we all love back in Season Three!


Just picked this up off of ABC Media Net:


"A NEW LOOK AT THE LIVES OF THE SURVIVORS OF OCEANIC FLIGHT 815 WILL BRING NEW VIEWERS UP TO DATE -- AND BE A SOURCE OF ILLUMINATION FOR CURRENT VIEWERS. IN ANTICIPATION OF THE THIRD SEASON PREMIERE OF LOST, LOST: A TALE OF SURVIVAL WILL AIR ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH ON ABC"

Here is the link to the story:

http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=091106_09

Oh, man...we've hit another lull, and I don't have another question to get folks to talking again. :(

Darbi: I post a question and realize that I haven't formed an answer or even a thought as to what I'd like to see for these two in S3.

I suppose one thing I am happy about is they will both be a part of the action this season in a major way whether they're a "couple" or not. As cool, even if slighty geeky for Sawyer to have such a fine appreciation for good literature, I'd like to see him doing more than sitting around on his duff reading books, shooting off snappy one-liners to passer-bys.

I also want to see sassy, self-assured, resourceful Kate return in full force. Her "big sister" role in 'ML' and commando act in 'LTDA' really has me excited to see what's in store for her character this season with or without a man.

What do I want to see? A resolution to the triangle in a way that is plausible and true to the characters. The whole Sawyer/Kate hook up has been brewing for two years now in terms of development and I would like to see some kind of pay off. However, I do not want these two crazy kids to be thrown into couple status merely for a ratings stunt, but because for them it will develop more storylines and allow them to grow and be challenged as characters.

I want to see Sawyer forced to face his feelings for Kate. Confronted with the fact that he can't remain terminally aloof from people any longer, that he cares deeply about his Freckles and is involved whether he likes it or not. And that he can't just sit by and be a wisecracking observer of all the goings on on craphole island but he has to finally get off his arse and participate. Not saying he hasn't done so in the past, but it's time he stop being the self-proclaimed social pariah and actually step up to the plate. The stakes are too high now, and he's coming to realise that. To trust others more with his feelings.

As for Kate, I am desperately awaiting the return of feisty, stubborn independent Kate. I am tired of the mopey, needy, attention seeking co-dependent Kate we have seen in season 2. I want her to stop letting people like Jack make her feel bad or like 'damaged goods' because of what she did in her past. I want her to decide she is good, is worthy to be loved, and realise she can become a better person on her own terms. To not seek approval externally but just...start to regain her confidence again in her own abilities. To trust herself more.

Obviously I want these two to find some of their salvation in each other, and to embark on a new (admittedly rather scary) level of intimacy in their dynamic/relationship. Lets see them watching each other's backs, supporting and challenging each other in the way we know only Sawyer and Kate can.

oh man Zoriah i wish i could say it that good :shesaid:

He's so pretty when he's sleepin'...

he certainly is...:biggrin:
as for that line looks like where the bag was, as if he was out in the sun and that part of him got tan and his face didn't cause they had the bag over his head. I'm sure there's a reason for it, but it does look like a tan line to me could be wrong thoguh

I post a question and realize that I haven't formed an answer or even a thought as to what I'd like to see for these two in S3.

I suppose one thing I am happy about is they will both be a part of the action this season in a major way whether they're a "couple" or not. As cool, even if slighty geeky for Sawyer to have such a fine appreciation for good literature, I'd like to see him doing more than sitting around on his duff reading books, shooting off snappy one-liners to passer-bys.

I also want to see sassy, self-assured, resourceful Kate return in full force. Her "big sister" role in 'ML' and commando act in 'LTDA' really has me excited to see what's in store for her character this season with or without a man.

Amen Darbi i'd love for them to get back to butt kicking Kate that we saw in those 2 epies and at the beginning of the season. There was too much of this 'which guy do i like today' stuff goin last season, she's alot more than that. She's more than just the so-called 'prize' in this triangle. She's strong and fiesty and indepedant, with that air vulnerabilty and compassion that rounds her out. Not the moony little girl we saw on more than a few occasions. I want to see her have a more proactive role this coming season, a plot-line that doesn't revolve around whatever man she happens to chose and on that note...

i really do hope that this Juliet chick is not there to make Kate jealous cause that would demeaning to her character and it would be her story to once again :rolleyes: try to get Jack's attention or whatever.. i fail to see the character growth there for her in that case... and something tells me Evi wouldn't go for that.


and your right about Sawyer too, he needs to do more and i'm glad he's going to be more active in the story rather than a piece of eye-candy sittin around spouting one-lines (even though he looked damn hot doin it, but that's just the shallow part of me talkin here :biggrin: ). I love the fact he's smart and a royal pain in the butt and i want to see more of that . And that man could wreak some serious havoc for the Others if and when..
he gets out of that cage

and we definatly need a new question.. i agree.. it's slow today

What do I want to see? A resolution to the triangle in a way that is plausible and true to the characters. The whole Sawyer/Kate hook up has been brewing for two years now in terms of development and I would like to see some kind of pay off. However, I do not want these two crazy kids to be thrown into couple status merely for a ratings stunt, but because for them it will develop more storylines and allow them to grow and be challenged as characters.

I want to see Sawyer forced to face his feelings for Kate. Confronted with the fact that he can't remain terminally aloof from people any longer, that he cares deeply about his Freckles and is involved whether he likes it or not. And that he can't just sit by and be a wisecracking observer of all the goings on on craphole island but he has to finally get off his arse and participate. Not saying he hasn't done so in the past, but it's time he stop being the self-proclaimed social pariah and actually step up to the plate. The stakes are too high now, and he's coming to realise that. To trust others more with his feelings.

As for Kate, I am desperately awaiting the return of feisty, stubborn independent Kate. I am tired of the mopey, needy, attention seeking co-dependent Kate we have seen in season 2. I want her to stop letting people like Jack make her feel bad or like 'damaged goods' because of what she did in her past. I want her to decide she is good, is worthy to be loved, and realise she can become a better person on her own terms. To not seek approval externally but just...start to regain her confidence again in her own abilities. To trust herself more.

Obviously I want these two to find some of their salvation in each other, and to embark on a new (admittedly rather scary) level of intimacy in their dynamic/relationship. Lets see them watching each other's backs, supporting and challenging each other in the way we know only Sawyer and Kate can.


:ntworthy: That was beautifully written Zoriah! I think you just put all our hopes for both Kate and Sawyer individually and as a couple in to words! BRAVO!

Sawyer does need to step up to the plate and is maybe going to be forced to if he really wants Kate. He is going to have to take a chance and put his "heart on the line". I too want the feisty, independant, tough Kate back, enough already of the puppy dog attitude and seeking approval from a man who has his own issues.

IMO their salvation is in how they deal with one another, it will take courage to take that step forward; but the payoff is likely to be beyond their wildest dreams. I hope they overcome their fears and find the potential happiness together they both deserve so much.

On a slow Saturday, I did get the new chapter of my story posted, here's the link:

http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1278

The thing is, we have seen Kate use some of the talents she picked up while on the run in a positive way - her bravery, her gun skills, her resourcefulness, her tracking etc.

I want to see how Sawyer's life as a conman (while deplorable) could actually contribute to the current situation. I can only pray that the writers realise that Sawyer's cunning, use of psychology and empathy, his stubborn resilience to pain and suffering could be ASSETS when one is being held captive by people such as the Others.

I do love the tagline of the promo 'Who will I be?'. I think we may see our poor lostees really broken down, and forced to look in the mirror a bit. This could ultimately lead to some transformation and inner growth. However, I am wary of having too much faith, since the Long Con repercussions were slight and Sawyer just reverted back to being Mr Sideline until the whole incident with Ana and Libby.

ok i looked at that picture again and now something else is bugging me...

there's a bandaid on his arm, just under his sleeve, like someone took blood or something, it's right in the crook of his elbow where you would take blood from, it's doubtful they'd let that show unless it was something done to his character...

just something i noticed in the big pic...

What do I want to see? A resolution to the triangle in a way that is plausible and true to the characters. The whole Sawyer/Kate hook up has been brewing for two years now in terms of development and I would like to see some kind of pay off. However, I do not want these two crazy kids to be thrown into couple status merely for a ratings stunt, but because for them it will develop more storylines and allow them to grow and be challenged as characters.

Nothing would tick me off more if a Sawyer/Kate hook up is done just for ratings.
Not only would it be a disservice to the characters, but the actors as well.

Yes, the sexual tension between the characters is electric and pliable and loads of fun to watch, but there's a lot more to these two than that crazy dynamic they share, and hopefully it will continue to be explored.

I want to see Sawyer forced to face his feelings for Kate. Confronted with the fact that he can't remain terminally aloof from people any longer, that he cares deeply about his Freckles and is involved whether he likes it or not. And that he can't just sit by and be a wisecracking observer of all the goings on on craphole island but he has to finally get off his arse and participate. Not saying he hasn't done so in the past, but it's time he stop being the self-proclaimed social pariah and actually step up to the plate. The stakes are too high now, and he's coming to realise that. To trust others more with his feelings.

That in itself should be ever so fascinating to watch. Just seeing Josh pull off those moments of vunerability for Sawyer, blended when he slips back behind that ever crumbling emotional barrier he erects...should be worth its weight in gold.

As for Kate, I am desperately awaiting the return of feisty, stubborn independent Kate. I am tired of the mopey, needy, attention seeking co-dependent Kate we have seen in season 2. I want her to stop letting people like Jack make her feel bad or like 'damaged goods' because of what she did in her past. I want her to decide she is good, is worthy to be loved, and realise she can become a better person on her own terms. To not seek approval externally but just...start to regain her confidence again in her own abilities. To trust herself more.

Obviously I want these two to find some of their salvation in each other, and to embark on a new (admittedly rather scary) level of intimacy in their dynamic/relationship. Lets see them watching each other's backs, supporting and challenging each other in the way we know only Sawyer and Kate can.


I'll be the first to admit that I'm a lot tougher on Kate in this whole triangle nonsense than I am the guys. Granted, part of the reason stemmed from me simply not thinking much of Kate's character for a long while, but partly because it bugs me when women put themselves in this type of position, (caught between feelings for two men) then claim victim when the situaition begins to implode. But mostly, Kate's character, for better or worse has almost completely been defined by her relationship with these two men

But, in an effort to try and see this from her point of view, I suppose I can see where her indecisiveness has been somewhat understandable.

Jack, bless his heart, he's a good guy, no denying that. She wants his friendship, his approval, his respect and there's nothing wrong with wanting those things from someone you value as a friend. However, Jack, unintentional or not, makes Kate feel inferior. Less than, and every bit the "damanged goods" she believes she is. Not a healthy outlook, and certainly not one that fosters a positive change, because she's continuing to look for an external fix to an internal issue.

Sawyer on the other hand, isn't he just a ball of barely contained emotional energy? Everytime she tries to get close, he pushes her away. Then he'll turn around and do or say something that reminds her that yeah, he's mucked up, but there's still a human being trembling like a scared child behind all that snark, sarcasm and anger. It's got to be difficult to know which person she's likely to encounter. Plus the fact that they are so similar in many ways, making them extremely vunerable to one another, which I would imagine pisses the both of them off to no end.

So, yeah, despite my reservations about Kate, I can sympathsize with her predicament. For now. ;)

hi all; new to the fuselage and a definite skater/outKaSter, whatever you prefer ... i haven't read this thread yet, but with a 5-month old baby I'll do as much as i have time for!

actually, i must admit, i am a very recent Lostie ....when my daughter was a week old, we bought the first season and watched it every night, and i tried to watch the summer reruns of season 2 but i couldn't wait and downloaded the whole season. [don't worry, we bought season 2 as soon as it came out] and i can't wait for the next season!

Hello KatieFord, nice to meet you. And welcome. ;)

Just came by to read and say :wavey: and check to see if Lisa had Chapter 4 up.

Thanks for the fanfic, losttvfan. I get :shy: reading the sex scenes, but you are a good writer! :hug:

Hello KatieFord, nice to meet you. And welcome. ;)

Thank you muchly:biggrin:

welcome Katie to Outkasts :biggrin:

What do I want to see? A resolution to the triangle in a way that is plausible and true to the characters. The whole Sawyer/Kate hook up has been brewing for two years now in terms of development and I would like to see some kind of pay off. However, I do not want these two crazy kids to be thrown into couple status merely for a ratings stunt, but because for them it will develop more storylines and allow them to grow and be challenged as characters.

I want to see Sawyer forced to face his feelings for Kate. Confronted with the fact that he can't remain terminally aloof from people any longer, that he cares deeply about his Freckles and is involved whether he likes it or not. And that he can't just sit by and be a wisecracking observer of all the goings on on craphole island but he has to finally get off his arse and participate. Not saying he hasn't done so in the past, but it's time he stop being the self-proclaimed social pariah and actually step up to the plate. The stakes are too high now, and he's coming to realise that. To trust others more with his feelings.

As for Kate, I am desperately awaiting the return of feisty, stubborn independent Kate. I am tired of the mopey, needy, attention seeking co-dependent Kate we have seen in season 2. I want her to stop letting people like Jack make her feel bad or like 'damaged goods' because of what she did in her past. I want her to decide she is good, is worthy to be loved, and realise she can become a better person on her own terms. To not seek approval externally but just...start to regain her confidence again in her own abilities. To trust herself more.

Obviously I want these two to find some of their salvation in each other, and to embark on a new (admittedly rather scary) level of intimacy in their dynamic/relationship. Lets see them watching each other's backs, supporting and challenging each other in the way we know only Sawyer and Kate can.

What she said, lol. (inside joke to all those Office fans out there, teehee) But Z. once again, you put so well into words what my thoughts and wishes for Kate and Sawyer in s3 are. Thank you. Brilliant. :D

hi all; new to the fuselage and a definite skater/outKaSter, whatever you prefer ... i haven't read this thread yet, but with a 5-month old baby I'll do as much as i have time for!

actually, i must admit, i am a very recent Lostie ....when my daughter was a week old, we bought the first season and watched it every night, and i tried to watch the summer reruns of season 2 but i couldn't wait and downloaded the whole season. [don't worry, we bought season 2 as soon as it came out] and i can't wait for the next season!

Welcome KatieFord!!! Very happy to have you here.:) Ill add your name right away. And dont worry about the time thing, most of us jump in whenever, no need for formalities here. ;)

So, do you guys think the writers are going to go for a time jump while the three amigos are captive? Say, three weeks at the least before a successful escape is accomplished?

S3, according to the TPTB will be filled with adventure, action and romance. Now, if my intuition is anything to go by that's a nice, nifty package to disguise the mythology we know they plan to interweave into the storyline. ;) On that note, what are your predictions or hopes for Sawyer and Kate individually, and hopefully as a couple this season in regards to the shows mythology? What will they discover about themselves?

I think I have just realised why I sometimes find it hard to answer any questions posted here and that's simply because I agree with everyone else's answers too - how do I add to the thoughts?!
So yes, I do want to see more of the feisty independent Kate and I do want to see Sawyer contributing more than he has done (even if this only means we get to see more of his wonderful character & more of the wonderful actor who plays this character too ;)) I want to see them both accept that they can be loved & the realisation that they love one another of course - and if they become a couple I want to see each of them continue to display their own characteristics independently of the other but also together too - with the result of a unique entertaining, passionate relationship which I can't wait to see more of from one week's episode to the next :mushy: :love: :42:
100%
So, do you guys think the writers are going to go for a time jump while the three amigos are captive? Say, three weeks at the least before a successful escape is accomplished?

I'd imagine they will, this going on what they've done so far throughout the series with timeframes on the island. It may take time for the trio to decipher exactly what's going on in their surroundings & the best way to overcome any problems with trying to escape - all of this could take more than a few days to work out if this was reality - who knows? :unsure:

By the way, am loving the updates so far to your fics, still trying to catch up since everyone has updated over the last day or two - losttv's & leah kate's are as brilliant as ever :79: :79: - and am on my way to reading the rest now... :1:

hi all; new to the fuselage and a definite skater/outKaSter, whatever you prefer ... i haven't read this thread yet, but with a 5-month old baby I'll do as much as i have time for!


Hello Katie :wavey:

Welcome to the Best Ship on the Ocean of Mystery. :boat:


I hope you raise :baby: to be a SKating outKaSter.:)


Damn, my avatar is mesmerizing . :43: I can almost taste that KISS.

Hmm as far as time jumps, I can see a week or two but no longer than that. Mainly because I can't believe the other lostees wouldn't be trying to mount some kind of rescue/ recon mission. *shrug*

Could be wrong. :)

Hello Katie :wavey:

Welcome to the Best Ship on the Ocean of Mystery. :boat:


I hope you raise :baby: to be a SKating outKaSter.:)


Damn, my avatar is mesmerizing . :43: I can almost taste that KISS.

Thanks - you betcha she will! (btw, baby's name is Lily - which I picked before ever having seen lost, lol)

and now that you mention it, you can almost taste that kiss! :redface:

Hmm as far as time jumps, I can see a week or two but no longer than that. Mainly because I can't believe the other lostees wouldn't be trying to mount some kind of rescue/ recon mission. *shrug*

Could be wrong. :)

Oh, I'm sure they will, but I was thinking if the Losties have absolutely no place to even begin their search...a few weeks could pass before they have something to start a sucessful search with.


Just a thought.

Oh, I'm sure they will, but I was thinking if the Losties have absolutely no place to even begin their search...a few weeks could pass before they have something to start a sucessful search with.


Just a thought.

well how far from the fake village and hatch where they? i guess we don't know 'cos the Others darted them all and could have dragged them anywhere. i want jin and sun to pick up sayid and then they will figure it out.
i just watched the end of LTDA and that look btwn Jack and Kate, and Sawyer glaring .... will we find out what that meant, i wonder?

Oh, I'm sure they will, but I was thinking if the Losties have absolutely no place to even begin their search...a few weeks could pass before they have something to start a sucessful search with.


Just a thought.

and never mind the fact that the others have pretty much shown very little inititve when it comes to anything. Can't do anythig without asking Jack it seems :rolleyes:

The big planners seem to be missing and if they are gone for a significant amout of time i could see a little chaos going. It could be weeks before they get anything done. So maybe the Others kidnapping those 3 is a way of dividing the camp in a sense. Not too many with enough sense to do anything else.

*shrugs* who knows? but i defintaly think some time will pass, it kinda has to.. would make it much more dramatic i think..

Sadly, that was part of my thinking as well. The "deconstruction" of the Lostie camp, if you will, while Sawyer/Kate and Jack are captive. If Sayid, Sun and Jin are gone for a while, and Locke, Mr. Eko and Desmond perhaps being injured...and people just sick of all the confusion period...who steps up and how much time passes before they start turning to a new "leader"?

Say, three weeks at the least before a successful escape is accomplished?
:24:

Darbi, the whole of Season 2 ran from Day 45 - Day 67--which is barely over three weeks!

Ain't no way.

Bet we don't spend more than 2 days covering the events of Eppys 1-3 ALONE--from several viewpoints!

67 days = 2 months, 1 week. So the average time lapse per season is slightly over a month. No reason to believe TPTB will be changing that. Stuff happens quickly on this Island! :shock1:

Sadly, that was part of my thinking as well. The "deconstruction" of the Lostie camp, if you will, while Sawyer/Kate and Jack are captive. If Sayid, Sun and Jin are gone for a while, and Locke, Mr. Eko and Desmond perhaps being injured...and people just sick of all the confusion period...who steps up and how much time passes before they start turning to a new "leader"?

and not only that.. who woudl be the new leader? Someone set in place when the others come back, if they come back anytime soon.. I'm trying to think of who would be the most likely candidate for that. I'm willing to be whoever is, will be pretty damn dangerous. Cause in the confustion they'll look to anyone won't they?

I think that's part of the reason those 3 were taken, i'm sure there were other reasons as we'll find out but it does significatly weaken the camp now dosent' it? Esp with like you said, Sayid gone and Locke, Eko and Desmond in some bad shape.

all of which has nothing to do with Skate speculation but yet it does...
is it Oct 4th yet?
*checks calender* sadly no... :frown:

Hey guys!

Someone posted this over on the abc forum about the spoilers over the summer

"The battle between LOST producers and that faction of entertainment media known as "spoilers" has been epic! In the beginning, loose lips leaked major plot lines with exhuberance. Kristin and Ausiello, to name a few, were ready willing and able to drop their goods at the drop of a hat. Then, something strange happened. Suddenly Kristin and company are getting set visits, munchy bags, personal cell phone numbers, all of a sudden the spoilers start getting more vague, and more vague until...

Meet the press of the internet's 3rd world. Suddenly message boards like televisionwithoutpity, 4815162342, thetailsection (yes, moi), and abc's own message boards became the hot place to look for spoilers. Using a combination of wits, skilled conjecture, and friend of friend networking, we all became the source for exclusive spoilers. But alas, yet another era has come to an end.

It is my sad duty to report to you that most of what you have heard about season three is the result of a purposeful campaign by LOST's production staff to keep season three's secrets safe. I have it on good authority that only roughly 2-3 spoilers are in existence right now that bare any resemblance to the truth, which really isn't saying much. No boxes of cookies, set visits, or the occasional phone call involved, just flat out spoiler guerilla war-fare. The LOST producers plugged all the leaks and poisened the waters. Our high-tech voodoo of spoiler research will no longer bare any fruit.



But I ask you folks, isn't it all for the better? Really? Don't you want to be surprised? Spoiler nuts know that sinking feeling of tuning in at 9/8c on Wednesdays knowing there won't be a single surprise in store for you. Hoping that somebody missed something. Well, thanks to some expert anti-intelligence, if you can keep yourself away from the spoilers over the next few weeks, that sinking feeling will be a thing of the past. At least for now."

It;s from the tail section. So I was thinking does this mean ate may not actually choose anyone at all!!!!!! Iy also makes me quite nervous because most of the spoilers make it look good for skate and if they are false, then does this mean that juliet may not be a love interest for jack, and he may not stay witrh the others? Who knows!

Hey guys!

Someone posted this over on the abc forum about the spoilers over the summer

"The battle between LOST producers and that faction of entertainment media known as "spoilers" has been epic! In the beginning, loose lips leaked major plot lines with exhuberance. Kristin and Ausiello, to name a few, were ready willing and able to drop their goods at the drop of a hat. Then, something strange happened. Suddenly Kristin and company are getting set visits, munchy bags, personal cell phone numbers, all of a sudden the spoilers start getting more vague, and more vague until...

Meet the press of the internet's 3rd world. Suddenly message boards like televisionwithoutpity, 4815162342, thetailsection (yes, moi), and abc's own message boards became the hot place to look for spoilers. Using a combination of wits, skilled conjecture, and friend of friend networking, we all became the source for exclusive spoilers. But alas, yet another era has come to an end.

It is my sad duty to report to you that most of what you have heard about season three is the result of a purposeful campaign by LOST's production staff to keep season three's secrets safe. I have it on good authority that only roughly 2-3 spoilers are in existence right now that bare any resemblance to the truth, which really isn't saying much. No boxes of cookies, set visits, or the occasional phone call involved, just flat out spoiler guerilla war-fare. The LOST producers plugged all the leaks and poisened the waters. Our high-tech voodoo of spoiler research will no longer bare any fruit.



But I ask you folks, isn't it all for the better? Really? Don't you want to be surprised? Spoiler nuts know that sinking feeling of tuning in at 9/8c on Wednesdays knowing there won't be a single surprise in store for you. Hoping that somebody missed something. Well, thanks to some expert anti-intelligence, if you can keep yourself away from the spoilers over the next few weeks, that sinking feeling will be a thing of the past. At least for now."

It;s from the tail section. So I was thinking does this mean ate may not actually choose anyone at all!!!!!! Iy also makes me quite nervous because most of the spoilers make it look good for skate and if they are false, then does this mean that juliet may not be a love interest for jack, and he may not stay witrh the others? Who knows!

Yeah I saw that raven. Thanks for posting the link here :).

And although I dont invest much stock in spoilers, in the case of a few particular plot lines, namely revolving around the love triangle, I dont know why they would tell us one thing and do the opposite. I mean I know that if Kate does indeed make a choice one side is bound to be dissapointed no matter what. I just have a hard time beleiving that they would further rub the salt in the wounds of one ship by misleading them yet again. So as usual will take it all with a grain of salt, but I dont think they are all lies. Some of that stuff just makes too much sense to be made up.

And this topic has been touched on, but I thought it might make a good discussion question.

Why do you think the Others wanted Sawyer, Kate, and Jack? Is this part of the island power play? Do they have working intentions for the 3? Is it part of an experiment?

Ill make my answer short and sweet, lol. But I think The Others want them to play each person off one another. Like a game off chess, what one character does or thinks influences anothers decision. And since those 3 seem to be very influential with one another, that makes them quite vulnerable.

I also like the idea that they could be using them as part of a Big experiment, or that they took the 3 to break up the stability of the camp so they could ambush.

Definately think The Others arent the baddies we want them to be though. I think its going to be much more complicated then that and people, perhaps even some of our Losties, will question which group is right/good and which group is wrong/bad. ;)

Hey guys!

Someone posted this over on the abc forum about the spoilers over the summer

"The battle between LOST producers and that faction of entertainment media known as "spoilers" has been epic! In the beginning, loose lips leaked major plot lines with exhuberance. Kristin and Ausiello, to name a few, were ready willing and able to drop their goods at the drop of a hat. Then, something strange happened. Suddenly Kristin and company are getting set visits, munchy bags, personal cell phone numbers, all of a sudden the spoilers start getting more vague, and more vague until...

Meet the press of the internet's 3rd world. Suddenly message boards like televisionwithoutpity, 4815162342, thetailsection (yes, moi), and abc's own message boards became the hot place to look for spoilers. Using a combination of wits, skilled conjecture, and friend of friend networking, we all became the source for exclusive spoilers. But alas, yet another era has come to an end.

It is my sad duty to report to you that most of what you have heard about season three is the result of a purposeful campaign by LOST's production staff to keep season three's secrets safe. I have it on good authority that only roughly 2-3 spoilers are in existence right now that bare any resemblance to the truth, which really isn't saying much. No boxes of cookies, set visits, or the occasional phone call involved, just flat out spoiler guerilla war-fare. The LOST producers plugged all the leaks and poisened the waters. Our high-tech voodoo of spoiler research will no longer bare any fruit.



But I ask you folks, isn't it all for the better? Really? Don't you want to be surprised? Spoiler nuts know that sinking feeling of tuning in at 9/8c on Wednesdays knowing there won't be a single surprise in store for you. Hoping that somebody missed something. Well, thanks to some expert anti-intelligence, if you can keep yourself away from the spoilers over the next few weeks, that sinking feeling will be a thing of the past. At least for now."

It;s from the tail section. So I was thinking does this mean ate may not actually choose anyone at all!!!!!! Iy also makes me quite nervous because most of the spoilers make it look good for skate and if they are false, then does this mean that juliet may not be a love interest for jack, and he may not stay witrh the others? Who knows!
Raven this is what i heard regarding that..

The producers leaked a TON of foilers for casting, episode information and flashback order in an attempt to find a leak. The Juliet stuff has put out there by the producers themselves into magazines and websites and according to Gregg we can trust the info that's coming from Damon and Carlton. I'm 99% sure that the Juliet stuff is not a foiler, esp considering its in the ABC press releases and has been cited by DL and CC on numerous occasions.. So i don't worry foilers with regards to the trirangle cause there has been surprsingly little of those. And i agree with girlspy that would be terribly awful of them to set us up like that yet again.. and besides its pretty much confirmed that that Skate was supposed to happen last season but got pushed back for storyline reasons. And i still beleieve that :biggrin:

Why do you think the Others wanted Sawyer, Kate, and Jack? Is this part of the island power play? Do they have working intentions for the 3? Is it part of an experiment?



I think they were strategic in taking those 3 cause of the chaos that's results from it back at camp, but i also believe there is some sort of experiment in a sense too. Esp considering the
behavoural modificatin cage Sawyer seems to be in, as well as that very obvious band-aid on his arm, where someone would draw blood. Never mind the fact that Kate's on an exam table from what we know and is possilby drugged

as to the nature of the experiment we your guess is as good as mine but i think like girlspy said the Others may not be the all around baddies either, there might be some serious grey here.

Thanks Fricks thats made me feel a bit better,

although I am still not convinced skate will definetly happen, I hate the idea that the writers would make it look really good for skate and then don't do any of the stuff that they said they were going to. I love the idea of jack staying with the others and having a possible connection with this juliet woman, not because it means skate will happen, for all we know kate chooses jack and then for some reason jack is forced to stay which separates them, which the jaters seem keen on happeneing, but then at least what we have been fed wont be a pile of rubbish!

I am still optimistiuic for skate though, I just think that they could do so much with the pairing writing wise, and although the hard-core jaters don't see it, their incredible chemistry n screen would be stupid to waste!

I am still optimistiuic for skate though, I just think that they could do so much with the pairing writing wise, and although the hard-core jaters don't see it, their incredible chemistry n screen would be stupid to waste!
I don't think there's a need but I'll spoiler-font just in case -
Absolutely Ravenmoon, I can't see Skate being totally thrown away whatever happens and if Kate chooses Jack. TPTB must see the chemistry Sawyer & Kate have together, they hardly want to forget about it after all this time. Maybe I don't want to face otherwise, but I just can't see Jack being Kate's choice - I'll be like this smilie if that happens :huh: .... :p