I don't think there's a need but I'll spoiler-font just in case -
Absolutely Ravenmoon, I can't see Skate being totally thrown away whatever happens and if Kate chooses Jack. TPTB must see the chemistry Sawyer & Kate have together, they hardly want to forget about it after all this time. Maybe I don't want to face otherwise, but I just can't see Jack being Kate's choice - I'll be like this smilie if that happens :huh: .... :p

It's so strange how jaters feel as strongly about jack and kate as we do about kate and sawyer. I do see the fact that they both care about each other, and especially on kate's behalf there are all kind of psychological reasons behind her attraction be iun friendly or sexual towards jack, such as him reminding her of a normal life she cpuld have had, or reminds her of tom. I DO get that there are strong mutual feelings between them, and the majority of skaters see this as well, I think this is because sawyer was always the under-dog in the triangle and I for one doubted that they would ever end up together, until sawyer returned then i actually was like, well maybe theres a chance. But I still always thought the writers would go for what I consider the cliched pairing of kate and jack. With some jaters (definetly not all) I think don't consider that kate feels much for sawyer, apart from the fact that he reminds her of her past. They always thought jate would happen, because they were for most of the time the more favoured couple.
I think that many jaters would be conmpleately shocked oif skate would happen, so in away they have more to loose than us, because we always consider the possibility that skate may not happen.

Again this has turned into a confused rant, lol, and i forget why I oringinally posted, but oh well!

You just rant away, ravenmoon! If it's about Skate, that's what this thread is all about! :biggrin:

Warning, incredibly longwinded post. :biggrin: Thoughts inspired by recent conversations with my lovely fellow Skaters here on the Fuse.

About the triangle and it's possible resolution at some point:

My biggest issue - aside from the whole 'contest' aspect, is that I can't see how it helps Jack's journey as the tragic hero of the series to get the girl right now. This is of course coming from the premise that Jack IS the core character of the show, and that his growth/fate is what is of primary importance over the course of the series. If it's true that Jack is the life and breath of the show as some argue, then surely this season is the 'path of ashes' as far as archetypal myths go. Our hero needs to lose everything of value to him, he needs to hit rock bottom in order to examine his own life and determine what he really wants and what he stands for.

So...if that is so...how can Kate choosing him as her true love, and making sweet love (since it is confirmed in spoilers from the PTB) and basically giving him this huge ego boost over Sawyer help with what may be the larger story arcs? How does having them together move the other main storylines forward? I'm sorry but we've had enough separation/reunion stories already, including the Skate arc that started from Exodus and went through to What Kate Did. I do not think the writers are going to rehash it yet again with a 'Jack/Kate declare their love, have sex and then are tragically separated for half a season' scenario.

And also what will Sawyer be left with if he is rejected by Kate in favour of Jack? We already saw that he strongly believed he was second choice and it was Jack who she loved at the end of the season, so how will anything CHANGE by having his sense of self worth be dealt yet another blow, his fears that he's not good enough or worthy enough of being loved in return confirmed? Where is the transformation or growth in that? We've already seen him be jealous but grudgingly accept it, and not punish Kate over it.

And regarding Kate...I think her journey is about internal vs external growth. She needs to learn to love and accept herself and not go looking for it outside of herself. She needs to trust her heart and her instincts. And ironically by taking a chance with Sawyer and fighting for what she wants is more likely to break her habits of self abuse than if she were to look to Jack to give her love and acceptance IF she molds herself into his vision of her. Don't you think it would be more meaningful for her to get past her baggage with Wayne by truly accepting that Sawyer is not her father redux. He's Sawyer. And he loves her. And has shown that he would never willingly hurt her unless it was to protect her from himself. He knows he's a screw up. Contrast that to what Jack has put her through this season with his expectations and frustrations.

From what I can tell, this season is meant to be all about looking at yourself and facing what you like and don't like about yourself. Determining just WHO you really are.


Regarding official spoilers released by CC, DL and ABC (which, let me remind you, Gregg Nations has said to trust) vs recent foilers:

I may be a biased Skater, but I do think that the PTB are doing their best to prepare Jack fans to move on. I don't think they really want the romance part to be a shocking surprise like a death or revelation of an island mystery might be. What would be the point? Relationships and hook ups to have the best pay offs need to be developed and built up, not hit you upside the head from nowhere. Both Jack/Kate, AND Sawyer/Kate have been developing as romances since early season one. Skate has been made canon and grown over the past two years from something based out of mutual sexual attraction and common pasts into something so much deeper and more meaningful and heartwrenching too. Skate has been building just as much as Jate. So why release the details they have about Juliet unless they want you to be prepared for the possibility that Jack may be finding a different woman intriguing and more appealing and keep you tuning in to see how he deals with the fact that she's an Other.

Don't you think it's telling that they named her Juliet? They did say that names have significance in the show. They also want us to learn more about the Others, explore their perspective, and what better way to do this than have someone sympathetic and connected to a Lostee? The Danielle/Alex thing is close but not close enough. Having JACK of all people become conflicted about who or what the Others are would be what I call great story potential.

The foilers (according to Gregg Nations) were released specifically to track down one particular leak which was Secret Agent Man who normally gives us casting info on guest stars, episode titles and info on who's centric ep it is. As you well know the casting sides were deliberately misleadin but if you look carefully you can still see how the roles could fit with the new released spoilers. And there are some things you can't hide like the need for a korean or nigerian speaking/accented actor.

So yeah, the info such as casting sides, guest stars, centric episodes have been foilered to throw off the scent. Sightings and pics have been the only way we coudl get the real scoop, like Matt fox filming flash backs in scrubs and at the playground, Christian, Sarah, Boone etc being in Hawaii for filming.

On the other hand we have specific spoiler hints being given out by Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, which Gregg says we should trust. Such as the Comic con panel where it was revealed Kate would make a definite choice *cough* sex *cough*.

The stuff about Juliet has come through official industry channels: from CC/DL interviews, Entertainment Weekly article, ABC media release. So I would think this is much more a definite spoiler which is not setting us up for some big fake out. Why the hell would they put a fake out in a subscribed industry mag like the Hollywood Reporter?

Then you have Kristin and Ausiello who are dripfed stuff from the show through official channels and who have to be careful and vague about what they say.

From what it appears from reading various sources, the whole May sweeps skate hook up that never happened, the Jate 'wrench' and the finding out about Sana may have had to be put on the backburner for the final eps even though the writers planned to get to the romance stuff. They've all but confirmed this in recent interviews, and that Juliet will be a tool to dismantle the triangle and will fulfill the role Ana was intended to.

Longwinded but to the point. ;)

Zoriah, this is terrific. Even the angles that we may not have yet considered.
Rearding spoilers/foilers, industry release alone says a lot. You're right that he reputable mags aren't going to taint their image with a lie.

Ravenmoon, your 'rant' is so true - I think Skate fans generally don't take anything as a dead cert that Skate will happen 'cos Jate does seem like the originally intended pairing at beg. of the show. I think that Kate too hasn't shown her feelings as much as Sawyer has shown his feelings when it comes to the other - I thought the strongest hint that she felt more for him than just friendship was when he returned after the raft with his injury from being shot.
Everything you've just written Zoriah totally makes sense to me too when it comes to the reasons for any pairing next season :biggrin:

Zoriah, as always, well-stated. You already know my feelings on the matter, so I won't bog the thread down by repeating myself.

We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

September 17 does NOT = October 4! :mad: :sob:

Let's get this show--and Kate's choice--GOING, already!!

Let me guess. Patience is not one of your virtues, huh? ;)

Zoriah typical brilliance per usual :biggrin:
always managing to set us at ease girl thanks a bunch...


It's so strange how jaters feel as strongly about jack and kate as we do about kate and sawyer. I do see the fact that they both care about each other, and especially on kate's behalf there are all kind of psychological reasons behind her attraction be iun friendly or sexual towards jack, such as him reminding her of a normal life she cpuld have had, or reminds her of tom. I DO get that there are strong mutual feelings between them, and the majority of skaters see this as well, I think this is because sawyer was always the under-dog in the triangle and I for one doubted that they would ever end up together, until sawyer returned then i actually was like, well maybe theres a chance. But I still always thought the writers would go for what I consider the cliched pairing of kate and jack. With some jaters (definetly not all) I think don't consider that kate feels much for sawyer, apart from the fact that he reminds her of her past. They always thought jate would happen, because they were for most of the time the more favoured couple.
I think that many jaters would be conmpleately shocked oif skate would happen, so in away they have more to loose than us, because we always consider the possibility that skate may not happen.

Again this has turned into a confused rant, lol, and i forget why I oringinally posted, but oh well!

Ravenmoon, your 'rant' is so true - I think Skate fans generally don't take anything as a dead cert that Skate will happen 'cos Jate does seem like the originally intended pairing at beg. of the show. I think that Kate too hasn't shown her feelings as much as Sawyer has shown his feelings when it comes to the other - I thought the strongest hint that she felt more for him than just friendship was when he returned after the raft with his injury from being shot.
Everything you've just written Zoriah totally makes sense to me too when it comes to the reasons for any pairing next season :biggrin:

Midnight & Raven i totally agree with everything there.
See i don't get that particular philosphy by some on the other side here. I acknowledge there are stong feelings with Jack and Kate, always have but i don't understand why it's so hard for some of them (not all of them mind you) to acknowledged not only Sawyers strong feelings of love for Kate but the very idea that she might just reciprocate those feelings. It's like some are so sure she's totally in love with Jack that they can' see any other possibility. It's presumptious to say that she's in love with either of them, cause we dont' know. But to say after Kate basically took care of him, spent 24 hours at his bedside and wouldn't leave until Jack basically made her go get food, to me indicates some very strong feelings for the man. She even told Sayid that she couldn't be at the funeral cause she HAD to be with Sawyer. In fact to me i've seen more indications of true deep caring on the Skate side with Kate. But maybe that's just me who knows.. i could be just a delusional Skater...*shrugs*

September 17 does NOT = October 4! :mad: :sob:

Let's get this show--and Kate's choice--GOING, already!!

I'm not patient either! Hee hee -

Folks, I am really enjoying reading all your theories ... i have a little baby, and I only get free time when she's sleeping, and a good portion of that time I spend being a good housewife :biggrin:

. I acknowledge there are stong feelings with Jack and Kate, always have but i don't understand why it's so hard for some of them (not all of them mind you) to acknowledged not only Sawyers strong feelings of love for Kate but the very idea that she might just reciprocate those feelings. It's like some are so sure she's totally in love with Jack that they can' see any other possibility. It's presumptious to say that she's in love with either of them, cause we dont' know. But to say after Kate basically took care of him, spent 24 hours at his bedside and wouldn't leave until Jack basically made her go get food, to me indicates some very strong feelings for the man. She even told Sayid that she couldn't be at the funeral cause she HAD to be with Sawyer. In fact to me i've seen more indications of true deep caring on the Skate side with Kate. But maybe that's just me who knows.. i could be just a delusional Skater...*shrugs*

Fricks, I totally agree here. I know I would not act that way towards someone if I wasn't in love with them, whether or not i had acknowledged my feelings for them.

so that being said, this is then my question - and keep in mind that i haven't read that far back in the thread, so it may be here somewhere -

can someone explain the look at the end of ep 24 btwn Jack and Kate on the pier? in light of Kate's actions towards Sawyer and Jate's kiss (and why was she sorry for it?)

Zoriah - you put into words what we all hope will happen!

I agree with you that having a kate/jack pairing will not advance the storyline as we know it too far. The hero gets the poor convict and gets to change her and give her the life she always "wanted." One of the things I adore about lost is the fact that it doesn't use cliche's and stereotypes, and this probably makes me the most optimistic that they will make skate happen. The wealth of writing that the couple would create just seems to good an opportunity to give.

One of the reasons I've always been against the kate/jack pairing is that I genuinely believe based on what we have seen on the show that kate can never be compleately honest about all the things she has done. Not just killing her father, but all the things she has had to do on the run, seducing a guy inot helping her rob a bank then shooting him etc, how can people think that Jack wont judge her? Any time she has opened up about her past to him he has stropped off, such as when he screams at her until she admits the plane belonged to the man she killed, then just leaves her there in tears. I know ive mentioned this scene before, and I understand why jack behaved in that way because it fits with his character. But I don't believe that they are the actions of a man in love. Surely if you love someone and they open up to you and are obviously in distress you comfort them, even if what she says goes against your moral beliefs.
I don't think jack is a bad man, or that he means to be patronising and controling alot of the time. Think of the compleately opressive atmosphere he has been brought up in, the responsibility of having to check up on his father as a doctor to make sure he wasn't opporating sdrunk, and how terrible it must have been to have to betray your own father, then having the guilt of him drinking himself to death. I get that this guy has major issues as well. I just don't think that the love of kate will help him get through them as I do that kate's love will be a massive step in sawyer establishing some much needed self-worth and self-affirmation. Of course thats not the sole reason they should be together, but one of the reasons I believe more strongly in sawyer and kate.

I genuinely believe that both sawyer and kate's redemption lies in forgiving themselves for their past actions and moving on. And although the fact that they are both criminals is not the basis of a good relationship, in their case it is. I mean what are the chances of crashing on an island with someone with almost exactly the same baggage as you? Or someone who can relate to exactly what you have been through because they have been their themselves. Why would the writers emphasis this again and again if they wern't going to make any use of it?

I swear if kate and sawyer happen I will dance around with joy for at least 3 days, then just be filled with general rapture forever! lol!

Zoriah - you put into words what we all hope will happen!

I agree with you that having a kate/jack pairing will not advance the storyline as we know it too far. The hero gets the poor convict and gets to change her and give her the life she always "wanted." One of the things I adore about lost is the fact that it doesn't use cliche's and stereotypes, and this probably makes me the most optimistic that they will make skate happen. The wealth of writing that the couple would create just seems to good an opportunity to give.

One of the reasons I've always been against the kate/jack pairing is that I genuinely believe based on what we have seen on the show that kate can never be compleately honest about all the things she has done. Not just killing her father, but all the things she has had to do on the run, seducing a guy inot helping her rob a bank then shooting him etc, how can people think that Jack wont judge her? Any time she has opened up about her past to him he has stropped off, such as when he screams at her until she admits the plane belonged to the man she killed, then just leaves her there in tears. I know ive mentioned this scene before, and I understand why jack behaved in that way because it fits with his character. But I don't believe that they are the actions of a man in love. Surely if you love someone and they open up to you and are obviously in distress you comfort them, even if what she says goes against your moral beliefs.
I don't think jack is a bad man, or that he means to be patronising and controling alot of the time. Think of the compleately opressive atmosphere he has been brought up in, the responsibility of having to check up on his father as a doctor to make sure he wasn't opporating sdrunk, and how terrible it must have been to have to betray your own father, then having the guilt of him drinking himself to death. I get that this guy has major issues as well. I just don't think that the love of kate will help him get through them as I do that kate's love will be a massive step in sawyer establishing some much needed self-worth and self-affirmation. Of course thats not the sole reason they should be together, but one of the reasons I believe more strongly in sawyer and kate.

I genuinely believe that both sawyer and kate's redemption lies in forgiving themselves for their past actions and moving on. And although the fact that they are both criminals is not the basis of a good relationship, in their case it is. I mean what are the chances of crashing on an island with someone with almost exactly the same baggage as you? Or someone who can relate to exactly what you have been through because they have been their themselves. Why would the writers emphasis this again and again if they wern't going to make any use of it?

I swear if kate and sawyer happen I will dance around with joy for at least 3 days, then just be filled with general rapture forever! lol!

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Well said Ravenmoon, I swear I will take three days off work and celebrate with you! Welcome back, hope this means your internet problems are solved and you will be up and running and ready for for October 4th.

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Well said Ravenmoon, I swear I will take three days off work and celebrate with you! Welcome back, hope this means your internet problems are solved and you will be up and running and ready for for October 4th.

I think we should all have a 3-day long party to celebrate if Skate happens!! Break open the bubbly I'd say! Hey, and why 3 days? We could party for at least the rest of the season depending on what TPTB have up their sleeves for us!

:champagn: :wine: :beer: :cake: :cheers: Skate :fruitcake :chomp: :champagn: :wine: :drunk:

Yeah they are definetly sorted now which is excellant! Now I've just got to get back into writing my fanfic again! I've just been so tierd after work. It is such an adjustment going from uni to full time 5 day a week work especially dealing witrh hyper kids all day!

I know where I'm going in the next 2 or so episodes though, as a resolution to the kate and sawyer vs jack thing which has been going on, but after that I've been trying to think about where to go next. I know losttvfan has been saying about doing some more sweet/funny/funny chapters like I did in the begininng which I like the idea of, maybe involving aaron again and forcing them to have the baby discussion lol.

Anyone got any ideas/requests?

And I will definetly be celebrating BIG time! This thread will turn into a party thread lol! And if skate doesn't happen at least we have each other to talk our grievences out with!

I'm not patient either! Hee hee -
so that being said, this is then my question - and keep in mind that i haven't read that far back in the thread, so it may be here somewhere -

can someone explain the look at the end of ep 24 btwn Jack and Kate on the pier? in light of Kate's actions towards Sawyer and Jate's kiss (and why was she sorry for it?)

Hi Katie, I have to say I never thought anything much of that look until a lot of other people started talking about it - you have to bear in mind I only have Skate on my mind though :rolleyes: :biggrin: - anyway I thought that look was just Jack assuring Kate that there was a plan & maybe to tell her help was on the way and Kate's blink was in telling him she understood. I can't think it was anything romantic since they had just been captured & tied up. As they didn't even know what would be in store for them, I don't think it was a moment for any romance.
Don't forget too that Kate went to Sawyer for help when she spotted the Others following them - she knew she could trust him on that - and as for being sorry for kissing Jack, maybe all she meant was sorry for doing that when there wasn't any more meaning in it for her, at the time she appeared to be in quite a state emotionally didn't she? But maybe I am all wrong about this... time may tell perhaps :65:

can someone explain the look at the end of ep 24 btwn Jack and Kate on the pier? in light of Kate's actions towards Sawyer and Jate's kiss (and why was she sorry for it?)

This thread has more interpretations than you could imagine! http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53026

But I think Midnight is right - Jack is reassuring, and Kate is saying ok. Sawyer is thinking, "Is this part of your plan, Jack!?" :biggrin:

Afternoon Outkasters! (wave)

Hi Katie, I have to say I never thought anything much of that look until a lot of other people started talking about it - you have to bear in mind I only have Skate on my mind though :rolleyes: :biggrin: - anyway I thought that look was just Jack assuring Kate that there was a plan & maybe to tell her help was on the way and Kate's blink was in telling him she understood. I can't think it was anything romantic since they had just been captured & tied up. As they didn't even know what would be in store for them, I don't think it was a moment for any romance.
Don't forget too that Kate went to Sawyer for help when she spotted the Others following them - she knew she could trust him on that - and as for being sorry for kissing Jack, maybe all she meant was sorry for doing that when there wasn't any more meaning in it for her, at the time she appeared to be in quite a state emotionally didn't she? But maybe I am all wrong about this... time may tell perhaps :65:

thanks for answering my questiong Sawyerfan. you're probably right. I'm totally Skateminded but I just don't want to be disappointed, you know? although, I have to agree with ravenmoon:

Zoriah - you put into words what we all hope will happen!

I agree with you that having a kate/jack pairing will not advance the storyline as we know it too far. The hero gets the poor convict and gets to change her and give her the life she always "wanted." One of the things I adore about lost is the fact that it doesn't use cliche's and stereotypes, and this probably makes me the most optimistic that they will make skate happen. The wealth of writing that the couple would create just seems to good an opportunity to give.

One of the reasons I've always been against the kate/jack pairing is that I genuinely believe based on what we have seen on the show that kate can never be compleately honest about all the things she has done. Not just killing her father, but all the things she has had to do on the run, seducing a guy inot helping her rob a bank then shooting him etc, how can people think that Jack wont judge her? Any time she has opened up about her past to him he has stropped off, such as when he screams at her until she admits the plane belonged to the man she killed, then just leaves her there in tears. I know ive mentioned this scene before, and I understand why jack behaved in that way because it fits with his character. But I don't believe that they are the actions of a man in love. Surely if you love someone and they open up to you and are obviously in distress you comfort them, even if what she says goes against your moral beliefs.
I don't think jack is a bad man, or that he means to be patronising and controling alot of the time. Think of the compleately opressive atmosphere he has been brought up in, the responsibility of having to check up on his father as a doctor to make sure he wasn't opporating sdrunk, and how terrible it must have been to have to betray your own father, then having the guilt of him drinking himself to death. I get that this guy has major issues as well. I just don't think that the love of kate will help him get through them as I do that kate's love will be a massive step in sawyer establishing some much needed self-worth and self-affirmation. Of course thats not the sole reason they should be together, but one of the reasons I believe more strongly in sawyer and kate.

I genuinely believe that both sawyer and kate's redemption lies in forgiving themselves for their past actions and moving on. And although the fact that they are both criminals is not the basis of a good relationship, in their case it is. I mean what are the chances of crashing on an island with someone with almost exactly the same baggage as you? Or someone who can relate to exactly what you have been through because they have been their themselves. Why would the writers emphasis this again and again if they wern't going to make any use of it?

I swear if kate and sawyer happen I will dance around with joy for at least 3 days, then just be filled with general rapture forever! lol!

while i do think that there is a sweetness about Jate, it just isn't the same. ravenmoon nailed it for me, so i'm not going to attempt to put it any better! ;)
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'noon, Darbi!

hi all; new to the fuselage and a definite skater/outKaSter, whatever you prefer ... i haven't read this thread yet, but with a 5-month old baby I'll do as much as i have time for!

actually, i must admit, i am a very recent Lostie ....when my daughter was a week old, we bought the first season and watched it every night, and i tried to watch the summer reruns of season 2 but i couldn't wait and downloaded the whole season. [don't worry, we bought season 2 as soon as it came out] and i can't wait for the next season!

:wavey:Welcome KatieFord, we're very glad to have you here!! :wavey:

Check the first page of the thread for some useful info and the list of members for your memby number...

Just came by to read and say :wavey: and check to see if Lisa had Chapter 4 up.

Thanks for the fanfic, losttvfan. I get :shy: reading the sex scenes, but you are a good writer! :hug:

Yes, darlin' I put it up last night...sorry I couldn't let ya'll know last night, my cable, phone and internet are all connected and it went down for about 6 hours...I couldn't do anything but sleep....how boring is that?

So, do you guys think the writers are going to go for a time jump while the three amigos are captive? Say, three weeks at the least before a successful escape is accomplished?

Hmmm, now that's interesting, they might do a little one...

Why do you think the Others wanted Sawyer, Kate, and Jack? Is this part of the island power play? Do they have working intentions for the 3? Is it part of an experiment?

I do think a lot of it has to do with an experiment. At the beginning, I thought it might have something to do with getting the more influential people out of the way, so they could make some move on the camp, but now I think it's more of a study in the idea of how far will a man go for the woman he loves, and/or how far will a woman go for the man she loves.

What really concerns me is why it appears that they've taken blood out of him and what that means.

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Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?

Even though I don't have children, I'll definatley count myself as 95%, I'll allow 5% just for a little argument sake.

Thought we could use a little humor, so losttvfan and I thought it would be fun.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

HEHEHEHE, SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T POST FOR 3 DAYS.

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?

Even though I don't have children, I'll definatley count myself as 95%, I'll allow 5% just for a little argument sake.

Thought we could use a little humor, so myself and losttvfan and I thought it would be fun.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

HEHEHEHE, SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T POST FOR 3 DAYS.

OK, I am going with my next paycheck, can't give up the kids or the cat and I will admit the spoilers are making me nervous. However, I am making plans to join Ravenmoon's THREE day celebration and chilling the bubbly! Bring on October 4th!

Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

I'm almost afraid to say it Lisa - but I have to go with the 90-100% range, taking a few per cent off the total too to allow for those niggly little afraid they won't go with Skate feelings. Now, if it comes to how much I want Skate to happen, then I'd have to go with 100% plus!

Hmmm I think I would sacrifice my paycheck. But I'm like Midnightsawyerfan in terms of how much I want it. *chuckles*

Ahh, the joys of being an obsessed shipper. :redface: :kiss: ;)

I'm not MAKING a paycheck, so it's easy to offer it! :D

Thank you, Lisa. Now, let's get back to the ACTION, yeah? Chapter 5, please! :biggrin:

:Jumpy: STH, you're killing me here, hon!

Why are we offering up money, children and strappy expensive shoes? :confused:

Why are we offering up money, children and strappy expensive shoes? :confused:

:redface: Darbi: See Lisa's poll on the previous page! You will love it!

Ah...I see. Well, good thing for me, I possess none of those things, except my meager paycheck, and in order for me to watch whether Skate happens or not, I need every dime of said meager paycheck. :)

What really concerns me is why it appears that they've taken blood out of him and what that means.

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Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

HEHEHEHE, SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DON'T POST FOR 3 DAYS.

Lisa :biglaugh: :rotflmao2: :lol1: you are kilin me
i don't have any kids myself but i have to go for the first one too... i'll offer up my first born... or maybe my cate teeeheee allowing the 5% margin of error here...

and you know what they say about idle minds right Lisa? when you got too much time to think you start dwelling on things like this... and flashlights, and fenceposts.. :19:

and with regards to what you said
that bandaid worries me too... what are they doing to him???:shakehead:

and you know what they say about idle minds right Lisa? when you got too much time to think you start dwelling on things like this... and flashlights, and fenceposts.. :19:

and with regards to what you said
that bandaid worries me too... what are they doing to him???:shakehead:


Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!
Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!
Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!

hehehehe :biggrin:

Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!
Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!
Flashlights and fenceposts and bananas...oh my!!

hehehehe :biggrin:

you are an evil, evil, EVIL girl Lisa :rotflmao:
and we love it don't we?:naughty:

have a :banana: on me :biggrin:

You know, I'll have to bet my paycheck.

I don't make that much, but I have a wicked credit card bill so give me a little credit... :wink1:

Is it Oct. 4th yet?!

Hi Katie, - and as for being sorry for kissing Jack, maybe all she meant was sorry for doing that when there wasn't any more meaning in it for her
She probab;y doesn't remember very well that she even DID that! I think she apologized because she needed to confirm her suspicions that it happened - she was in such a fog. She also had just been with the man she has feelings for, she said it! The voice of Wayne spooked her - and the fear of that is what was in her head when she kissed Jack. Could it have been more obvious when she snapped out of it and SAW she had Jack there? Whoops!


Oh - Hi KatieFord! I responded to your post on the last page & forgot to say "welcome!" I have to warn you that this group is addictive ;)




[B][SIZE=4]How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?

Lisa


Of the whole list, all I have are three kids, (all boys) I seriously considered my 16 year - old, but he possesses some Sawyer-like traits and therefore I must hang in there!

But I did get a birthday check from my Dad on my birthday last month. I'll give that up and go with 80 - 89%.

I wish I could be up there with you guys, but I'm still about 50/50. I see all the indications of Skate and want Skate 100%, but I can also see that TPTB might feel Jate would garner higher ratings and Sawyer could still maintain a fan base without Kate. It all boils down to ratings and advertising money. Since Jaters seem to be younger and therefore the more desirable demographic for advertisers, the decision to go with Jate may be made by the bean-counters as much as the writers.

I wish I could be up there with you guys, but I'm still about 50/50. I see all the indications of Skate and want Skate 100%, but I can also see that TPTB might feel Jate would garner higher ratings and Sawyer could still maintain a fan base without Kate. It all boils down to ratings and advertising money. Since Jaters seem to be younger and therefore the more desirable demographic for advertisers, the decision to go with Jate may be made by the bean-counters as much as the writers.


A factor I don't think about much, but you're so right.

Kind of insulting when you think about it. The younger demographics of their audience is perceived to have a more shallow basis in watching the show. Who's going to hoo-up with whom? Will Sawyer be shirtless in this episode? When are Charlie and Claire going to kiss again...so on and so forth. Mystery, mythology, tension, drama...that's part of this show, too? Huh, hadn't noticed. Whoo Hoo! Jack has great muscle definition in his arms. :rolleyes:

Then there's the older viewers who may have an interest in the "romance" but who are generally more drawn in by the overall storyline, not who Kate's going to be sharing her goodies with. Granted they are a steady, valued demographic, but advertisers want those young, easier influenced, disposable dollars for however long they can influence it through this particular entertainment medium.

But hey...maybe the creators will continue to work organically, and do what they feel is best for their characters and the overall storyline.


We'll see.

My dear outKaSt friends.

Can we please talk about the show and not the fans? And please don't categorize like this:Since Jaters seem to be younger and therefore the more desirable demographic for advertisers,

The younger demographics of their audience is perceived to have a more shallow basis in watching the show. Who's going to hoo-up with whom? Will Sawyer be shirtless in this episode? When are Charlie and Claire going to kiss again...so on and so forth. Mystery, mythology, tension, drama...that's part of this show, too? Huh, hadn't noticed. Whoo Hoo! Jack has great muscle definition in his arms. :rolleyes:
This is INSULTING towards Jaters, who is a mixed group just like the skaters, and towards young fans of the show in general. I seem to remember this group squeeing over shirtless Sawyer and Skate kissing too.

Please stop doing this.

Thank you.

minimod me

:wavey:, Myha!

How loud will YOU squee when James and Kate kiss again? Hummmm? :71:

:wavey:, Myha!

How loud will YOU squee when James and Kate kiss again? Hummmm? :71::wavey:

How about like this:

SQUEEEEE
:5:

you've had a wonderful discussion going on the past few pages. I'm in awe over the stuff you guys take notice of and your speculations. Keep it up ladies!

How about like this:

SQUEEEEE
:5:


:24:

You're a great sport, Myha! Glad you're our Mod! :hug:

Hey there my lovelies!

I'd have to say I would bet my favourite shoes, I am really hoping that the writers will pick skate just because I fweel from a writing perspective it would offer far more. I also believe that the chemistry is too good to waste. However I am still worried about jate happeneing andf would definetly not say skate is a sure thing.

I'm cautiously optimistic, prepared mentally for jate to happen, but secretly planning my massive 3 day celebration!

Losttvfan's bringing the bubbly, I'll bake a massive chocolate cake, what's everyone else bringing lol!

Myha, you're right, it IS insulting the way advertisers target a particular demographic age group for television, and what influence they have over their spending dollars. Insulting or not, it's big business, and they're in this to make money. That doesn't change the fact that particular mindset does exist amongst ALL shipper groups be it on 'Lost' or some other show. My comments weren't directed at any specific group in connection to Lost at all. If anything, it was all inclusive to shipping in general.

However, as you asked, consider the matter dropped.

Myha, you're right, it IS insulting the way advertisers target a particular demographic age group for television, and what influence they have over their spending dollars. Insulting or not, it's big business, and they're in this to make money


Yep, having working in tv advertising, targeting demographic age groups is the bottom line. And the younger the age group, the more valuable it is to marketers. It still is insulting to anyone who doesn't "fit" the demographics and even more so when the "target" audience is so young they still are spending their (undesirable demographically) parents' money.

But to get back on the OutKaSts track here---even if Skate doesn't happen, there will remain some sort of tension with Sawyer and Kate. It's not THAT big of an island and it's not like Jack and Kate can move to some gated community and keep the riftraff (riffed-raft :)) out of their space.

:wub: Grab the new TV Guide and take a look:


Pages 46 and 47 "Can Lost Find its Mojo Again?", a full two page shot of the cast--and for the first time Kate is not standing between Jack and Sawyer, is there a hidden message here that the triangle is about to end?

and


Page 49, "Lost-Where We Left Off" -- in this recap and look ahead read the paragraph titled 'Kiss Me Kate' and I am quoting "Executive producer Carlton Cuse says Kate finally chooses Jack or Sawyer -- and they'll hook up within the first six episodes. Finally!"

What to guess who's sexy form is pictured next to this article? Yep our boy, looking good and with a caption that says "Will Sawyer win the girl?"

I might have to wager the cat instead of the paycheck! Is it October 4th yet?

:wavey:Welcome KatieFord, we're very glad to have you here!! :wavey:

Check the first page of the thread for some useful info and the list of members for your memby number...
yay! OutKaSter #219!!!!:redface:



Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?


well i don't make a paycheck anymore 'cos i'm home w/my precious Lily:biggrin: , buuut - i'd give up my maternity pay!

She probably doesn't remember very well that she even DID that! I think she apologized because she needed to confirm her suspicions that it happened - she was in such a fog. She also had just been with the man she has feelings for, she said it! The voice of Wayne spooked her - and the fear of that is what was in her head when she kissed Jack. Could it have been more obvious when she snapped out of it and SAW she had Jack there? Whoops!

Oh - Hi KatieFord! I responded to your post on the last page & forgot to say "welcome!" I have to warn you that this group is addictive ;).

i never thought of it that way, actually, joemamaah!
thanks for the welcome; i can see how it can get addicting. i will depend on y'all to do the deep thinking for me 'cos my baby keeps me up till midnite and wakes up at six!:)
100%

I'm cautiously optimistic, prepared mentally for jate to happen, but secretly planning my massive 3 day celebration!

Losttvfan's bringing the bubbly, I'll bake a massive chocolate cake, what's everyone else bringing lol!

i'm kinda with you there ....

i'll bake strawberry shortcake from scratch (with real butter and cream, mmmmm...)

But to get back on the OutKaSts track here---even if Skate doesn't happen, there will remain some sort of tension with Sawyer and Kate. It's not THAT big of an island and it's not like Jack and Kate can move to some gated community and keep the riftraff (riffed-raft :)) out of their space.

Ha! Craphole Island Estates. Huts starting at 250 coconuts or 50 bushels of bananas. Background screening provided by the islands security system. Buyer beware. ;)

Grab the new TV Guide and take a look:


Spoiler:

Pages 46 and 47 "Can Lost Find its Mojo Again?", a full two page shot of the cast--and for the first time Kate is not standing between Jack and Sawyer, is there a hidden message here that the triangle is about to end?

and


Spoiler:

Page 49, "Lost-Where We Left Off" -- in this recap and look ahead read the paragraph titled 'Kiss Me Kate' and I am quoting "Executive producer Carlton Cuse says Kate finally chooses Jack or Sawyer -- and they'll hook up within the first six episodes. Finally!"

What to guess who's sexy form is pictured next to this article? Yep our boy, looking good and with a caption that says "Will Sawyer win the girl?"

I might have to wager the cat instead of the paycheck! Is it October 4th yet?

Coming from TV Guide, this is not suprising

TV Guide has always loved JH/Sawyer/Skate.

Originally Posted by lisagwilkins
Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?


I wish I was in the top like most of you, but I think I fall in the 10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th. Everything seems to easy right now for Skate. Jack and Juliet and that leaves Kate and Sawyer. I would like to see Kate and Sawyer, but not sure if the writers are going to abandon a couple that has been set up from the beginning. Whatever happens, happens. Lost is more than Jate/Skate.

Page 49, "Lost-Where We Left Off" -- in this recap and look ahead read the paragraph titled 'Kiss Me Kate' and I am quoting "Executive producer Carlton Cuse says Kate finally chooses Jack or Sawyer -- and they'll hook up within the first six episodes. Finally!"

What to guess who's sexy form is pictured next to this article? Yep our boy, looking good and with a caption that says "Will Sawyer win the girl?"

I might have to wager the cat instead of the paycheck! Is it October 4th yet?
WHAT?!?! :blowup: ARGH!!! COMON OCTOBER!!!

I gotta say, I'm just waiting for that moment. That moment that the magic occurs between Kate and whoever she picks and I can just imagine that it will be ruined by a minor explosion coming from the outKaSt message board no matter who she choses. :lol:

I'm cautiously optimistic, prepared mentally for jate to happen, but secretly planning my massive 3 day celebration!


I have to say that I am remaining cautiously optimistic too - anything can happen on this show - and my 90-100% vote probably reflects my 100% want for Skate as well as the fact that I don't have any kids to offer up - HeeHee....

:wub: Grab the new TV Guide and take a look:


Pages 46 and 47 "Can Lost Find its Mojo Again?", a full two page shot of the cast--and for the first time Kate is not standing between Jack and Sawyer, is there a hidden message here that the triangle is about to end?

and


Page 49, "Lost-Where We Left Off" -- in this recap and look ahead read the paragraph titled 'Kiss Me Kate' and I am quoting "Executive producer Carlton Cuse says Kate finally chooses Jack or Sawyer -- and they'll hook up within the first six episodes. Finally!"

What to guess who's sexy form is pictured next to this article? Yep our boy, looking good and with a caption that says "Will Sawyer win the girl?"

I might have to wager the cat instead of the paycheck! Is it October 4th yet?

Ann, dear once again, you are my hero!!!! :ntworthy:

Ha! Craphole Island Estates. Huts starting at 250 coconuts or 50 bushels of bananas. Background screening provided by the islands security system. Buyer beware. ;)

Darbi, you never cease to crack me up hon... :biggrin:

Ha! Craphole Island Estates. Huts starting at 250 coconuts or 50 bushels of bananas. Background screening provided by the islands security system. Buyer beware. ;)

I don't have any of those cool smilies like y'all yet - and speaking of which, when can i use them, and when can i have an avatar? :frown: it's been more than ten days, now and i feel that i am contributing significantly! - but, i will respond in my best chatspeak:
ROFLMAO!!! Literally. hee hee. that's a gooder, Darbi :biggrin:


I wish I was in the top like most of you, but I think I fall in the 10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th. Everything seems to easy right now for Skate. Jack and Juliet and that leaves Kate and Sawyer. I would like to see Kate and Sawyer, but not sure if the writers are going to abandon a couple that has been set up from the beginning. Whatever happens, happens. Lost is more than Jate/Skate.

while this may be true, because am a Lostie to the Nth degree, The Great Jate or Skate Debate is definitely my favorite part ;)

I don't have any of those cool smilies like y'all yet - and speaking of which, when can i use them, and when can i have an avatar? :frown: it's been more than ten days, now and i feel that i am contributing significantly! - but, i will respond in my best chatspeak:
ROFLMAO!!! Literally. hee hee. that's a gooder, Darbi :biggrin:



while this may be true, because am a Lostie to the Nth degree, The Great Jate or Skate Debate is definitely my favorite part ;)

:redface: Welcome to to OutKaSts Katie! I checked and you need to be on the board a full ten days.....SO tomorrow you can activate your avatar, I can't wait to see what you choose.

:rolleyes: BTW, I agree that the Jate/Skate triangle has been an integal part of Lost for me and as a die hard Skater I am have my fingers (and everything else) crossed for Season Three.

WHAT?!?! :blowup: ARGH!!! COMON OCTOBER!!!

I gotta say, I'm just waiting for that moment. That moment that the magic occurs between Kate and whoever she picks and I can just imagine that it will be ruined by a minor explosion coming from the outKaSt message board no matter who she choses. :lol:

Haha, Ghost I think there will be definate celebration and outrage here the moment we find out who she picks. The writers were smart in investing so many people and not telling. Either way, youve got a captivative audience. ;)

Originally Posted by lisagwilkins
Okay folks, here's something for us to think about. Where do you fall on this list??

How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?

And Lisa, you and Ann are so brilliant, lol. What a wonderfully original idea. ;)
Um well since we probably cant sell off our unborn children, Ill probably do the paycheck thing ;). Im gonna stay safe since Im normally a glass is half empty person, but maybe if I had kids Id reconsider. Feeling pretty good about skate for s3. I think no matter what theres gonna be fireworks. I cant wait till it hits the fan. And I think in the past, Kate has been the most honest when she is upset. And Ive seen scenes where shes upset with both Jack and Sawyer, and maybe its the biased skater in me, but when shes with Sawyer, it seems to bother her a whole hell of alot more. (i.e. the fire scene in BTR, the scene in TLC when Sawyer took the guns) These are scenes when we see her nostrils flare. Something that bothered her so much is definately under her skin. And I definately feel optimistic (which is very rare for me, mind you) cautiosly optimistic ofcourse, but just think of the fire those two could ignite if they started putting stuff out on the table :D.

Evening Outkasters. Anyone around?

Ha! Craphole Island Estates. Huts starting at 250 coconuts or 50 bushels of bananas. Background screening provided by the islands security system. Buyer beware. ;)

:biglaugh:

Just make sure you purchase insurance in the event of 'barefoot native raids' and order noise statutes to keep out limey runt musicions..

Haha, Ghost I think there will be definate celebration and outrage here the moment we find out who she picks. The writers were smart in investing so many people and not telling. Either way, youve got a captivative audience. ;)



And Lisa, you and Ann are so brilliant, lol. What a wonderfully original idea. ;)
Um well since we probably cant sell off our unborn children, Ill probably do the paycheck thing ;). Im gonna stay safe since Im normally a glass is half empty person, but maybe if I had kids Id reconsider. Feeling pretty good about skate for s3. I think no matter what theres gonna be fireworks. I cant wait till it hits the fan. And I think in the past, Kate has been the most honest when she is upset. And Ive seen scenes where shes upset with both Jack and Sawyer, and maybe its the biased skater in me, but when shes with Sawyer, it seems to bother her a whole hell of alot more. (i.e. the fire scene in BTR, the scene in TLC when Sawyer took the guns) These are scenes when we see her nostrils flare. Something that bothered her so much is definately under her skin. And I definately feel optimistic (which is very rare for me, mind you) cautiosly optimistic ofcourse, but just think of the fire those two could ignite if they started putting stuff out on the table :D.

think your absoultly right girlspy her real anger shows up alot more with him... you can definatly tell she cares quite a bit. She was very hurt by what he did in TLC, that's about as po'd as i've seen her at anyone. And i've always been of the opinion that anything significant that happens between them is gonna come through a confrontaion and/or fight. And with those kind of emotions swirling around, anything can happen :biggrin: Talke a about a signal fire....

And like you i'm cautiously optimistic, i can never a 100% cause there's always that little ttwinge of doubt, just a normal thing for us i guess. But i'm feelin better and better and besides, this is what i hear..
now we can trust Kristin about as far as we can throw her,:rolleyes: but she said in her latest chat that the guy that Kate kisses, and does anything else with, is also the guy she loves... so it's all or nothing here... but if this declaration of love doesn't happen in the first epi, which we know is Jacks, they said within the first 4 and if we are correct the 4th epi is Sawyers, my money is on it happening in that one, it would have to be in an epi focusing on one of the 3 invloved.. and Kates i believe is probably the 6th... this dosen't guarantee anything, but it makes me feel much better..

but i've found i can accept it either way... i can live with it if idosen't go our way, i'll be dissapointed but whatever.. but if it does....

SQUEEEEEEEEEE
:biggrin: nuff said.....

Evening Outkasters. Anyone around?

:wub: Yep and Lisa and I are talking on the phone and we both love your new Avi...noticed it right away.

:biglaugh:

Just make sure you purchase insurance in the event of 'barefoot native raids' and order noise statutes to keep out limey runt musicions..

Tee Hee!

We also recommend that along with the "barefoot native raid" insurance, purchase of the symtomless, mystery illness vaccine reward package. There are no specific reasons for the vaccine that can be "officially" stated for the record, but documentation of the "unofficial" results are constantly being conducted in the islands Pearl monitoring station.

ETA: Aww...thanks. I thought it was time for a change. So, what are you two ladies conspiring about, hmmm?

Hey Darbi,

Check out your number of posts, "the numbers are bad, the numbers are bad"

Hehehe

And we're not conspiring, we're plotting!! :biggrin:

Huggs,
Lisa

Oh, those are bad numbers. Booooooo!!!!!


Plotting, huh? Can I join in? :devil2:

Tee Hee!

We also recommend that along with the "barefoot native raid" insurance, purchase of the symtomless, mystery illness vaccine reward package. There are no specific reasons for the vaccine that can be "officially" stated for the record, but documentation of the "unofficial" results are constantly being conducted in the islands Pearl monitoring station.



:rotflmao: just don't accept black market subsitutes from said limey runt.. as they are not 'official' vaccines.. although 'official' for what we are not allowed to say..

and for your shopping needs we highly recommend a visit to the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart, where all matters of simple comfort can found. And if you love snarky wit it will be found in abundance here. It has reopened twice after undergoing repairs after attacks from boars and one very disguntled customer..:lol2:



Hey Darbi,

Check out your number of posts, "the numbers are bad, the numbers are bad"

Hehehe

And we're not conspiring, we're plotting!! :biggrin:

Huggs,
Lisa

plotting about what dear Lisa?
wouldn't have anything to do with a certain southerner would it? :naughty:

:rotflmao: just don't accept black market subsitutes from said limey runt.. as they are not 'official' vaccines.. although 'official' for what we are not allowed to say..

and for your shopping needs we highly recommend a visit to the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart, where all matters of simple comfort can found. And if you love snarky wit it will be found in abundance here. It has reopened twice after undergoing repairs after attacks from boars and one very disguntled customer..:lol2:





plotting about what dear Lisa?
wouldn't have anything to do with a certain southerner would it? :naughty:


:rotflmao2: Oh, genius.

Now, who would possibly have a complaint against the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart?

:rotflmao2: Oh, genius.

Now, who would possibly have a complaint against the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart?

:crush: Well I for one would like to do all my shopping there. The prices are high, the merchandise a bit odd, lots of booze and Playboy magazines, but who cares. The owner has a sexy Southern drawl, green eyes, a killer grin and a pair of dimples that should be against the law. No complaints from me........sorry I'm headed back for something I'm sure I forgot.

and for your shopping needs we highly recommend a visit to the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart, where all matters of simple comfort can found. And if you love snarky wit it will be found in abundance here. It has reopened twice after undergoing repairs after attacks from boars and one very disguntled customer..:lol2:


And you must make sure and read the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart slogan...

"If I ain't got it, you don't need it, and if I do got it, it's gonna cost ya."

plotting about what dear Lisa?
wouldn't have anything to do with a certain southerner would it? :naughty:

*whistles innocently*

:rotflmao2: Oh, genius.

Now, who would possibly have a complaint against the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart?

Oh, certainly not I!!!

:rotflmao2: Oh, genius.

Now, who would possibly have a complaint against the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart?

thank you :biggrin:
Not me that's for sure but i heard a large gentleman didnt particulry care for the humor of the proprietor.. cause quite a bit of damage to the Mart and the ego but all is well now . :biggrin:

:crush: Well I for one would like to do all my shopping there. The prices are high, the merchandise a bit odd, lots of booze and Playboy magazines, but who cares. The owner has a sexy Southern drawl, green eyes, a killer grin and a pair of dimples that should be against the law. No complaints from me........sorry I'm headed back for something I'm sure I forgot.

:rotflmao:
in total agreement, it certainly has the best supply of goodies on the island and the view is pretty nice too, even when your not looking at the ocean... and i can certainly tell you that he dosen't adhere to the 'no shirt, no shoes, no service philsoply, which proably explains the popularity of the Mart among the female gender:biggrin:
And you must make sure and read the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart slogan...

"If I ain't got it, you don't need it, and if I do got it, it's gonna cost ya."

it certainly will, but i think it's price i'm willing to pay...:naughty:



*whistles innocently*

ummm somehow i think the word 'innocent' should never be used on this thread..:devil2:


as much as l love the convos, i love when we have fun too :biggrin:

ummm somehow i think the word 'innocent' should never be used on this thread..:devil2:


as much as l love the convos, i love when we have fun too :biggrin:


hehehehe, definately not in conversations that involve me and certain descriptions of said Southern Pervert Mini-Mart proprietor. :biggrin:

Wow, this talk is extremly entertaining! :lol:

Just popping on to see if anyone else is a suffering insomnic like myself this evening. I worked tonight with a die-hard Jater (the longest eight hours of my week so far). He and I seem to be at each other throats more than usual for the past two weeks, kinda starting to drive my boss nuts. He's an 'unbeliever.' :insane:

Got a quick question about a previous post...
There was talk forever ago about the love interest and when it is finally resolved as to what exactly that relationship would result in... physically. Now, my brain goes a little floppy thinking of Kate and Sawyer lip-locked so if in the case that anything *else* were to happen (like they get 'caught in a net') I think I might have a seizure. So, just wondering if there were any updates on this area or if we're not talking about it and I'm about to get in trouble from a MOD. (I love you guys!!! :wink1:)

Wow, this talk is extremly entertaining! :lol:

Just popping on to see if anyone else is a suffering insomnic like myself this evening. I worked tonight with a die-hard Jater (the longest eight hours of my week so far). He and I seem to be at each other throats more than usual for the past two weeks, kinda starting to drive my boss nuts. He's an 'unbeliever.' :insane:

Got a quick question about a previous post...
There was talk forever ago about the love interest and when it is finally resolved as to what exactly that relationship would result in... physically. Now, my brain goes a little floppy thinking of Kate and Sawyer lip-locked so if in the case that anything *else* were to happen (like they get 'caught in a net') I think I might have a seizure. So, just wondering if there were any updates on this area or if we're not talking about it and I'm about to get in trouble from a MOD. (I love you guys!!! :wink1:)

:naughty: Ghost963: As to the above, we may not be talking -- but we are sure as hell are hoping and my dear you would hardly be alone in having a "seizure", we have been waiting for two LONG years. A Skater's dream come true when (if) it finally happens!

And you must make sure and read the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart slogan...

"If I ain't got it, you don't need it, and if I do got it, it's gonna cost ya."






As long as you're willing to make a fair trade with the proprietor, which may include short stints (or long) of indentured service. The details of said servitude to be worked out privately, of course. ;)

:rotflmao: just don't accept black market subsitutes from said limey runt.. as they are not 'official' vaccines.. although 'official' for what we are not allowed to say..

and for your shopping needs we highly recommend a visit to the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart, where all matters of simple comfort can found. And if you love snarky wit it will be found in abundance here. It has reopened twice after undergoing repairs after attacks from boars and one very disguntled customer..:lol2:

:crush: Well I for one would like to do all my shopping there. The prices are high, the merchandise a bit odd, lots of booze and Playboy magazines, but who cares. The owner has a sexy Southern drawl, green eyes, a killer grin and a pair of dimples that should be against the law. No complaints from me........sorry I'm headed back for something I'm sure I forgot.

:rotflmao: too funny, people! i missed this last nite but i had to make din-din and spend time with hubby and daughter.

:naughty: Ghost963: As to the above, we may not be talking -- but we are sure as hell are hoping and my dear you would hardly be alone in having a "seizure", we have been waiting for two LONG years. A Skater's dream come true when (if) it finally happens!

i can guarantee i'm going to seize.

As long as you're willing to make a fair trade with the proprietor, which may include short stints (or long) of indentured service. The details of said servitude to be worked out privately, of course. ;)

Darbi ... naughty girl ;)

Anybody on this morning?
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yaaaaaaaaaaay, i have pictures! except i don't know why none of my signatures can be saved when they meet the size requirements. boo! can anyone help? my avi is a little crudely made; chopped up in paint from a banner but it's sooo funny!

i have many more, so stay tuned :biggrin:

Darbi - I like the way you think! I don't think any of us would object to short (or preferably long) stints of service to the propriator!

What was posted from the TV guide sounded cool! I like the way that kate was with sawyer! If the writers have madfe it good look for skate just to throw everyone off the scent for her to choose jack will make me very upset. I realise theres a 50/50 chance she could choose jack, but all these spoilers in favour of skate, you can't help but be optimistic! They are eithjer being cruel to the skaters, or preparing jate fans for jack not happening so it wont be too nmuch of a shock when it doesn't! I'd like to think its the latter, but you never know!

And I would definetly go into a fit of joy if they get together, and will probablly have to clam myself down after witnesing an actual skate sex scene!

And I would definetly go into a fit of joy if they get together, and will probablly have to clam myself down after witnesing an actual skate sex scene!
I think 'clam' is a bit of an understatement... do you think that the writers would actually go there? Wow... hmm... I suddenly have a very peculiar fuzzy feeling in my tummy right now... :biggrin:

As long as you're willing to make a fair trade with the proprietor, which may include short stints (or long) of indentured service. The details of said servitude to be worked out privately, of course. ;)

oh my Darbi the thoughts that went through my head with that one...:naughty:
and i would guess clothing was optional huh? :biggrin:


yaaaaaaaaaaay, i have pictures! except i don't know why none of my signatures can be saved when they meet the size requirements. boo! can anyone help? my avi is a little crudely made; chopped up in paint from a banner but it's sooo funny!

i have many more, so stay tuned :biggrin:

that option dosen't seem to work for anyone, don't know why so it's not just you
and i love your Avi Katie :roflmao: that's priceless

Darbi - I like the way you think! I don't think any of us would object to short (or preferably long) stints of service to the propriator!

What was posted from the TV guide sounded cool! I like the way that kate was with sawyer! If the writers have madfe it good look for skate just to throw everyone off the scent for her to choose jack will make me very upset. I realise theres a 50/50 chance she could choose jack, but all these spoilers in favour of skate, you can't help but be optimistic! They are eithjer being cruel to the skaters, or preparing jate fans for jack not happening so it wont be too nmuch of a shock when it doesn't! I'd like to think its the latter, but you never know!

And I would definetly go into a fit of joy if they get together, and will probablly have to clam myself down after witnesing an actual skate sex scene!

oh raven couldn't agree with you more, it does look good...
i would hope that they are not jerking us around again cause that would be very cruel to leak these kinds of spoilers and not have them be true.. and i personaly hope it's the latter myself, although i'm prepared for the outcome either way..

I think 'clam' is a bit of an understatement... do you think that the writers would actually go there? Wow... hmm... I suddenly have a very peculiar fuzzy feeling in my tummy right now... :biggrin:

yup i know that feeling too Ghost, that fuzzy, slightly dizzy feeling you get right before the rollercoaster hits the top and let's you go... it's accompained by this sound... SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :biggrin:

Fricks, clothing is always optional when dealing with the proprietor of Southern Pervert Mini-Mart. Hence the name of the store. ;)

And I would definitely go into a fit of joy if they get together, and will probably have to calm myself down after witnessing an actual Skate sex scene!

:crush: Raven: It might be a good idea to have oxygen available at that three day celebration as none of us may be able to breath and fainting is also a possibility. A large supply of fans as well -- its gonna get mighty hot on this thread!

:mushy: Katie: You got your avi, congratulations....love it, very unique and creative!

Fricks, clothing is always optional when dealing with the proprietor of Southern Pervert Mini-Mart. Hence the name of the store. ;)

the sign on the door says "no shirt, no shoe PLENTY of service' :naughty:

ok someones gotta come up with a question cause... well the flames of the eternal fire are starting to make it very warm in here... not that i'm complaining mind you..:biggrin:

:mushy: Katie: You got your avi, congratulations....love it, very unique and creative!

Thank you! Although I would love to, I can't really take the creative credit:
Toni's Art (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=43996)
She has some lovely Skate art. Also go here for others I love:
Iselin's Art (http://lost-forum.com/showthread.php?t=44504&highlight=iselin)
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i'm making cinnamon buns today. any takers?

I don't have a question today. :(

KatieFord - I love your avi!!!

:redface: Joemamaah: Good to see you girl.......you've been missing while we been messing....the last few days have been very funny here on OutKaSts, we can be almost as snarky as Sawyer LOL. Be sure and stop in at the Southern Pervert Mini Mart (clothing is apparently optional) and pick up a copy of the new TV Guide!

Okay...hypothetical.


Sawyer and Kate get together. Besides taking care of the obvious...let's give 'em a good week to burn off some of that tension, what do you think is the first thing they do as a "couple"?

Well I made my stop at the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart today and I got everything we need for the 3 day celebration and I got waited on by the proprietor himself. What a pleasant shopping trip!!! :biggrin:

I won't say how much I paid, but I will say it didn't cost me anything I wasn't willin' to part with...;)

Is it October 4th yet???

:redface: Joemamaah: Good to see you girl.......you've been missing while we been messing....the last few days have been very funny here on OutKaSts, we can be almost as snarky as Sawyer LOL. Be sure and stop in at the Southern Pervert Mini Mart (clothing is apparently optional) and pick up a copy of the new TV Guide!

I'm already there. Look out the window in the parking lot. I'm reading the "Guide", sitting in a Lazy Boy in the back of a pick-up truck. Great things, those pick-up trucks.

Well I made my stop at the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart today and I got everything we need for the 3 day celebration and I got waited on by the proprietor himself. What a pleasant shopping trip!!! :biggrin:

I won't say how much I paid, but I will say it didn't cost me anything I wasn't willin' to part with...;)

Is it October 4th yet???


Hmm...the Mini Mart has been awfully busy lately, so I've noticed. :) Wonder if he's running another special fish bait.









:blush:

Hmm...the Mini Mart has been awfully busy lately, so I've noticed. :) Wonder if he's running another special fish bait.
:blush:

Probably. I remember on Conan how concerned he was about his bait.

And you must make sure and read the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart slogan...

"If I ain't got it, you don't need it, and if I do got it, it's gonna cost ya."

Sounds like a Mini-Mart worth visiting me thinks... ;) :biggrin:

Okay...hypothetical.


Sawyer and Kate get together. Besides taking care of the obvious...let's give 'em a good week to burn off some of that tension, what do you think is the first thing they do as a "couple"?

I presume this question is on the premise that the two have escaped/been released from captivity with the Others... Well, just couldn't see that 'tension' fizzling out anytime soon, they may be busy for a while...:inlove: Perhaps they'd revisit 'their' waterfall to spend some time alone for their first date - make a day of it with plenty of Skating fun after all the stressful (?) time spent in captivity :serenade:

Okay...hypothetical.


Sawyer and Kate get together. Besides taking care of the obvious...let's give 'em a good week to burn off some of that tension, what do you think is the first thing they do as a "couple"?

Well with all the bait Sawyer gets at the mini-mart, they'd go fishing!

That was my idea. They'd find that waterfall again and go on an official "date". Basically, just another place for them to continue burning off some of that tension.

Doubt they'd play golf.

Doubt they'd play golf.

:naughty: or read to each other!

Reading is fundamental, people! :laughing:

Okay...hypothetical.


Sawyer and Kate get together. Besides taking care of the obvious...let's give 'em a good week to burn off some of that tension, what do you think is the first thing they do as a "couple"?

oooh! gooder, Darbi.
uuuum. i can't think of anything yet, but I look forward to hearing everyone else's hypotheses. ;)

There's a new promo out!

Here is the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjMfYCxqSiU&mode=user&search=

I love that Jack is yelling "Tell me where my friends are." Note the plural. Nice to see him concerned for both Kate AND Sawyer. ;)

And it looks like Zeke/Tom is leading Kate past Sawyer's cage (Sawyer's POV through the bars). She looks visibly distressed, even crying. Poor thing. No doubt this is the scene with Sawyer Evie mentioned. It's possible they don't get to talk to each other, but an exchange of worried, 'oh god I hope you are okay' looks would be just as good.:biggrin:

OMG! She SEES him in that cage! Poor Kate! Poor James!

And, YEAH, Others--tell Jack where his friends are! :mad:


A pity they had to waste perfectly good promo time on that, um, other program! :10:

I wonder why type of shoes Kate is wearing? Strappy sandals? Cute step ins? Barefoot?

Probably. I remember on Conan how concerned he was about his bait.

Now that was a fun conversation...something about things in the water off Hawaii that could bite his bait clean off.

Okay...hypothetical.


Sawyer and Kate get together. Besides taking care of the obvious...let's give 'em a good week to burn off some of that tension, what do you think is the first thing they do as a "couple"?

Wow that's an incredibly good question Darbi. I would imagine things aren't going to be all rose scented soap and all...it'll be tough and hard, but I think they'll make it work.

Don't think I'd see them setting up housekeeping or anything, at least not right away.

I'm already there. Look out the window in the parking lot. I'm reading the "Guide", sitting in a Lazy Boy in the back of a pick-up truck. Great things, those pick-up trucks.

Gosh, I miss my truck...wonder if I can get on at the mini-mart....hehehe...:cool:

Ha! Can you just imagine Sawyer suggesting that Kate to move in with him?

Everybody turn the TV on ABC and keep it there...I just saw the new promo...2 weeks from tonight...

SAWYER KISSED KATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw it with my own itty bitty eyes....SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I just saw the promo on TV and could swear I saw ummmm... a kiss....and it looked like something I've been REALLY wanting to see for a long, long time. Anyone else see such a thing?

Don't play with my emotions ladies. Are you serious? :thud:

I am TOTALLY serious. It went by in a flash but by George I SAW WHAT I SAW.

Don't play with my emotions ladies. Are you serious? :thud:


Darbi my dear, I am serious as a heart attack, as a matter of fact I think I just had one...You should hear losttvfan and me...we're screaming on the phone!!!!!

LisaG, I've been trying to IM you and am getting no response from either you or LostTVFan.

Please IM me....

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle, or a baboons aunt. Whatever. It's about time. :kiss:

Everybody turn the TV on ABC and keep it there...I just saw the new promo...2 weeks from tonight...

SAWYER KISSED KATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw it with my own itty bitty eyes....SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

OMG, OMG, OMG.....someone needs to post that promo! OMG, OMG, OMG

Don't toy with my heart. It's not that strong!!! A Skate kiss??? OMG!

Holy crap!

I am just...amazed.

However, that just means we may be first out of the gate. Remember May Sweeps guys.

She may well still choose Jack, confess her feelings about Jack, and have sex with...awh who am I fooling?

WOOHOO!!!!! I need to see this kiss for myself. And all the screencaps and replay it over and over!!!

:gora: Time to celebrate that we got another kiss. Who's with me???!!!:drunk: :cheers: :wine:

I'm with you. Then of course, I already had a glass of wine poured twenty minutes ago. :biggrin:

Okay, I'm not going to say I kept the faith from day one, I'm not going to say I told you so, and I'm not going to gloat....nope not me, I'm just not gonna do it....

I'm just gonna do my happy dance... :Jumpy:
Oh by the way, anybody wanna change their percentage vote... :thumbup:

Ladies ladies ladies! EVERYTHING FROM THE PROMOS MUST BE SPOILER FONTED!!!!!!

Holy crap!

I am just...amazed.

However, that just means we may be first out of the gate. Remember May Sweeps guys.

She may well still choose Jack, confess her feelings about Jack, and have sex with...awh who am I fooling?

WOOHOO!!!!! I need to see this kiss for myself. And all the screencaps and replay it over and over!!!

:gora: Time to celebrate that we got another kiss. Who's with me???!!!:drunk: :cheers: :wine:

:hug: Zoriah: I am already drunk with joy, but pour me a glass anyway, I may never go to bed tonight!

I saw the promo tonight too.

Obviously, I am totally jumping for joy. :jump1: The kiss looks hot. I'm very concerned for Kate though. She sees him in the cage and starts crying, and then later we see her writing on the ground, crying frantically. I hope nothing happens to her or Sawyer!! If anyone finds a link for this anywhere, please post it!! Also, we're analyzing it in spoilers and are dying for a link. So if you read the spoiler section, and find the link, please come post it. Thanks!

ok i got the promo vid...... be prepared..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yX-PDJGmo
theres a couple of Skate scenes in it.. but OMG

squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Just saw the promo...

Yay! Sun, Jin and Sayid are all in the action! I'm so happy about that. Locke's face is completely filthy and he looks pissed. Hurley just looks scared. Charlie...well, he just looks like Charlie.

Jack looks like the ever frustrated leader just before water behind a door knocks him back.

The the honey shot. Sawyer grabs Kate and kisses her. :thud: Oh, what a beautiful, beautiful scene. All two seconds of it. :laughing:

The scenes of Kate crying as the turns away from Sawyer's "cage" and I guess after they take her back to her cell. Poor baby. I just want to hug her. I wonder what they force her to do?

There's a new promo out!

Here is the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjMfYCxqSiU&mode=user&search=

I love that Jack is yelling "Tell me where my friends are." Note the plural. Nice to see him concerned for both Kate AND Sawyer. ;)

And it looks like Zeke/Tom is leading Kate past Sawyer's cage (Sawyer's POV through the bars). She looks visibly distressed, even crying. Poor thing. No doubt this is the scene with Sawyer Evie mentioned. It's possible they don't get to talk to each other, but an exchange of worried, 'oh god I hope you are okay' looks would be just as good.:biggrin:

Zoriah, you beat me to it!

ok i got the promo vid...... be prepared..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yX-PDJGmo theres a couple of Skate scenes in it.. but OMG

squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:hearts: Bless you Fricks, I have already watched it FIVE time. OMG! Going back to watch again!

:hearts: Bless you Fricks, I have already watched it FIVE time. OMG! Going back to watch again!

Twas my pleasure Ann and there's a pic too....
http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omgomgomgej3.png


it's for real.... :biggrin:

I just realized something...

Those handcuffs don't compliment Kate's beautiful dress in the least.

Do you know what I love about this new promo?

Aside from the obvious Skate kiss...the scene where Kate is being lead away from Sawyer and she's just breaking down in tears, like she's completely beside herself. Very heartwrenching.

Considering there is that pic of kate reaching out to someone from a cage, what if they put her in the cage next to Sawyer!!!? The two criminals. Can you imagine poor Kate being locked up, her worst fear. And Sawyer can't get close to comfort here. Remember there were set photos which had two iron cages next to each other but not close?

It looks like the show is going to be full of adventure and action, romance and intrigue - just as they said it would be. Bring on Season 3!!


And is a little goodie, a slowed down version of the kiss. You can see her tilting her face up to be kissed, and if am not mistaken it looks like her dress is grimy so it's probably not from ep one.

ETA: PM me if you want the file

Hey Z, the link doesn't work baby!!!

Hmmm apparently I am not allowed to link to yousendit from this forum. That's a nono. I guess if you want the slow mo clip, send me a pm and I will try to help you out.

*sighs*

Is youtube okay? I could probably put it up there I guess.

ETA: Interesting filter there.

I've used youtube Z, and it worked okay for me...but I'll sure take a PM that's for sure.

Zoriah, you need to go back and spoiler tag your post.

Okay guys, looks like I can't even send a pm with the URL. Just sit tight, I should have it up on youtube asap. :)

:crybaby:
I've looked and looked--and I can't see it!
Him in the cage. Her seeing him--and crying. But no kiss!

SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE TO LOOK!!

:crybaby:
I've looked and looked--and I can't see it!
Him in the cage. Her seeing him--and crying. But no kiss!

SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE TO LOOK!!

STH check out the pic i posted.. and i think...its just after where you see Sun on the ground and then Sawyer grabs Kate and kisses her... i'm not sure exactly where but it's quick you gotta catch it.. but i posted the link to the pic on the last page...

Which promo are you looking at? There were two. One was short and shared with that other program, and the other was much longer and gave away a lot, including the thing you looked for. You can't miss it hon. :)


Edited to add: Here you go!!! I've put it on youtube for your enjoyment.

Skate's second kiss, yep that's right, it ain't a joke or foiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH7Twb1ENwg).

As you can see, Kate is going for it too. It's hot, passionate, highly charged and oh so Skate in that frissony sorta way. Heeeee!

I think that's the problem, Zoriah. I only saw the shared promo. I couldn't fathom how I could miss THAT MUCH!

Could you please get me a link to that second promo. I wanna see it!!

Which promo are you looking at? There were two. One was short and shared with that other program, and the other was much longer and gave away a lot, including the thing you looked for. You can't miss it hon. :)


Edited to add: Here you go!!! I've put it on youtube for your enjoyment.

Skate's second kiss, yep that's right, it ain't a joke or foiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH7Twb1ENwg).

As you can see, Kate is going for it too. It's hot, passionate, highly charged and oh so Skate in that frissony sorta way. Heeeee!

:thud: :ntworthy: thank you Zoriah...
she is definatlly goin for it too... that's so beautiful and so hot at the same time....

Good God! Let me in on some of this action!
I go to work and Kate and Sawyer decide to get together?!?! oh my God, this is excellent... This is, i mean, this is kinda earth moving in a sense... Kate's so sad!! That's absolutly heartbreaking! They love each other!!! Oh, happy day for that lucious kiss though!!!
Someone serioously needs to slap me. I'm extremely flustered right now...

Lisa, may I join your happy dance? :smile: :Jumpy:

I don't post much but have to say...YES

I'm going to spoiler font my whole message. Just to be safe ;)

Good God! Let me in on some of this action!
I go to work and Kate and Sawyer decide to get together?!?! oh my God, this is excellent... This is, i mean, this is kinda earth moving in a sense... Kate's so sad!! That's absolutly heartbreaking! They love each other!!! Oh, happy day for that lucious kiss though!!!
Someone serioously needs to slap me. I'm extremely flustered right now...

Lisa, may I join your happy dance? :smile: :Jumpy:

it IS a luscious kiss, hee!

:Jumpy: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :Jumpy:
can i get a ....
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I'm kinda sad I missed out on the excitement as it happened, but i had my hubby and daughter to tend to ... anyhow, she woke up at 2 am and decided she wasn't going back to sleep. :rolleyes" so now i am up with her and i am so excited, i don't think i'll be able to go back to sleep!
ohhh, one more squee:
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ! :biggrin:

aaand i'm spent. :thud:

Here's one pix.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/ They sometimes move these pix around - but you know what to look for!!!

See the 6th and 14th pix. Is she still wearing that dress??

I'm spoiler fonting my reaction so I don't influence anybody.
I'm BEYOND ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's one pix.

http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/ They sometimes move these pix around - but you know what to look for!!!

See the 6th and 14th pix. Is she still wearing that dress??

I'm spoiler fonting my reaction so I don't influence anybody.
I'm BEYOND ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i wonder how long it will be before we can use that pic in our avvies? :clap: i'm so excited!

baby's still up (grr) but I wouldnt' be sleeping now, anyway. aw geez, i better get her before she wakes hubby up.

STH: I put up a clip of part of the promo on youtube, see above. There is likely the whole promo up on there too. I believe it's Season 3 promo 6.

Some speculation:

It would appear to me that the latest promo has footage up to at least episode 3, if not 4. I think this partly because Daniel Dae Kim reportedly mentioned he didn't have much action to do until eppy 3. And in the promo we see Sun and Jin on the boat, Sun crawling in some dark place underground and Sayid and Jin shooting guns at what appears to be the docks.

So...what does this mean for Skate?

I would bet that the kiss doesn't happen in episode 1. I think it happens in Sawyer's episode (Four) and I believe it's during an attempted escape, perhaps they have even succeed.

I think Kate is led past Sawyer's cage and put into the one adjacent. She's terrified and in despair because she fears captivity and is in cuffs etc. (No idea when this is gonna happen but since the dress looks clean I think it would be first eppy.)

There is that shot of Kate reaching through the bars, but at what? Perhaps a nice moment where they try to comfort each other verbally even though they are kept apart?

And we see Sawyer at some point manages to escape. And the kiss appears to happen when they are both out of the cages. Both looking much dirtier and scruffier. I still can't quite tell if it's the dress she is wearing, but it has the same neckline and straps, but has a tie cord hanging over her shoulder too. It's a dull creamy beige colour but is it just sweat dirt and grime, or another top altogether?

Anyways, I just wanted to get other people's impressions because it would seem the footage is not confined to one scene or one episode. This has me ecstatic indeed, and I hope we get quite a few bonding scenes before they manage to escape (if that is what happens) and then have that hot passionate kiss. :biggrin:

i'm so excited; all this has got me thinking that it would be pretty fun to write a fanfic, but then of course i'd have to read some others first to make sure i don't copy anyone unwittingly. and that in itself could take some time. Lisa, is it your fanfic everyone is chomping at the bit to read? ;) Where can I find the first chapter?

i think baby might actually be tired, now. which means i need to go ... see everyone later!

I still can't quite tell if it's the dress she is wearing, but it has the same neckline and straps, but has a tie cord hanging over her shoulder too. It's a dull creamy beige colour but is it just sweat dirt and grime, or another top altogether? Could it be the same dress only one shoulder was ripped somehow? And then she tied it to keep it on? Just a thought. I hadn't really looked closely enough at her clothes, I was too busy looking at something else! :kiss:

Z, your the best for slowing that down.:eek2:

I have to say it, I just looked at the slow version again, it really looks to me like the same dress, but the strap was broken and she tied it. That vid clip shows it pretty clearly. So, not a dream, she isn't wearing something else.

Reminds me of a song from a classic story-

"A dream is a wish your heart makes . . . the dreams that you wish, will come true!!"

Oh, you pretty babies have been quite busy during the night. Thanks for the clip, Zoriah. ;)

So, was anything good on tv last night. :laughing:

Lezario made an animation

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9241/gifskateww0.gif

I wonder , if Sawyer is groaning or moaning or if Kate is?

I think I felt the SKaters going crazy last night. I dreamed about SKate all night long. I dreamed they were walking in the jungle and I dreamed Josh and Evi had articles in TV Guide talking about SKate.

I am a very happy SKater right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, was anything good on tv last night. :laughing:

Lezario made an animation

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9241/gifskateww0.gif

I wonder , if Sawyer is groaning or moaning or if Kate is?

I think I felt the SKaters going crazy last night. I dreamed about SKate all night long. I dreamed they were walking in the jungle and I dreamed Josh and Evi had articles in TV Guide talking about SKate.

I am a very happy SKater right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, good one A2M ;). Thank You Lazario!!! :D

That reminds me a bit of that UK promo they did for s1, except the roles are reversed and Sawyer has his hand on Kates face :D. But staged like a dance.

So happy that his hands are free this time. :D:D:D And it was definately mutual :D:D:D.

eta: cant stop watching, am mesmorized by the kiss.:in_love:

Thanks to everyone else who put up links too. I had to see it again and again and again to beleive with my own eyes.

LOL, my reaction is stil HOLY SH:censored:!!!!

Should we just get a collective squeee out right now and get it over with ;)

Woohoo!!!! :party:

Haha, good one A2M ;). Thank You Lazario!!! :D

That reminds me a bit of that UK promo they did for s1, except the roles are reversed and Sawyer has his hand on Kates face :D. But staged like a dance.

So happy that his hands are free this time. :D:D:D And it was definately mutual :D:D:D.

eta: can't stop watching, am mesmorized by the kiss.:in_love:

Thanks to everyone else who put up links too. I had to see it again and again and again to beleive with my own eyes.

LOL, my reaction is still HOLY SH:censored:!!!!

Should we just get a collective squeee out right now and get it over with ;)

Woohoo!!!! :party:

Skaterville is a happy place this morning, I was wondering:


:naughty: Does anybody else think that maybe part of the reason TPTB have allowed them to get so damn dirty just could be partly as a set up for a stop at "their" waterfall on the way back to camp? A chance to wash all that dirt and the whole experience with the Others off themselves......and :censored:

Skaterville is a happy place this morning, I was wondering:


:naughty: Does anybody else think that maybe part of the reason TPTB have allowed them to get so damn dirty just could be partly as a set up for a stop at "their" waterfall on the way back to camp? A chance to wash all that dirt and the whole experience with the Others off themselves......and :censored:


losttvfan, from your lips to TPTB's ears. ;)

OMG! I go away for a few days and come back to a Skate kiss!!!!! I need to go away more often. Hee! Thank you to everyone who dropped off all the goodies! SQUEEEEEEE!!!!!!! :Jumpy: October better hurry up and get here fast!!

Another goodie . :Jumpy:


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/Sawyerwallpaper/Sawyer%20Kate/omgomgomgej3.png

I wonder-


Why would TPTB reveal such a big thing (SK kiss) two weeks early?

possible reasons -

1 maybe to them it's NOT as big a thing as WE think it is - so go ahead & show it--

2 It's not TPTB that puts together the promos - ABC does that. Is that right?

Reminds me of a song from a classic story-

"A dream is a wish your heart makes . . . the dreams that you wish, will come true!!"

lol - cute ;)

I wonder-


Why would TPTB reveal such a big thing (SK kiss) two weeks early?

possible reasons -

1 maybe to them it's NOT as big a thing as WE think it is - so go ahead & show it--

2 It's not TPTB that puts together the promos - ABC does that. Is that right?

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

I think I died and went to skate heaven! What a lovely thing to come back home from work too! Lol, I annoyed by boyfriend so much from screaming and bouncing up and down on the sofa with joy that he left for work without saying goodbye lol! That was so beautiful and hot! The way he just grabs her and pulls her too him, and I've watched the slow motion clip over and over and even asked the opinion of my male housemates and they all agree its definetly mutual!

But I have to agree that I am somewhat puzzled as to why they would show a skate kiss? It seems they have been on a pro-skate campaign with these spoilers all summer, but then we get ppl saying that most of the spoilers are fake, and now we get a skate kiss!

I can't believe the writers are so cruel to give us all those spoilers plus a skate kiss just to go "hahahaha arn't you suprised now kate has chosen jack." That seems compleately un-necesary, and I can't think what purpose it would serve to show all this skate stuff if it wasn't going to happen!

The only thing I can think about is that they are doing this to make it less hard for the jaters when skate happens, kid of a breaking it to them gently kind of thing. I was thinking that if it is the other way around, and skate didn't happen, I would rather have it broken to me gently. I don'ty know, are the writers that cruel, would they do it to us? I'm sure the jaters are saying that theyre sure that she breaks away from sawyer and says soemthing like, "I;m sorry but it's jack I love." But again, why would the writers have t show us this kiss already?

Although didn't Kristen say that the man who would be kissing her again would be the one she loves, but then we all know what kristen can be like!

I am in total rapture, but I'm still nervous, it just looks too good for skate! Now it will make it even worse if she chooses jack!

I'm still totally exstatic though, the way she was waiting to cry when she was facing away from him, knowing he'd be upset! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I am in total rapture, but I'm still nervous, it just looks too good for skate! Now it will make it even worse if she chooses jack!


Me too. But to quote one of our favorite characters, at the moment, Whoo Boy Howdy!!!

I still think I'm in shock lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

And I love everyone's party suggestions! I am SO excited for season 3!

Raven, where did you procure your icon?

Alright! I'm going to simply take a moment to breathe and think this through because I think Raven brought up some good points...
Kate obviously looks a little bit more ragged in the clip than she had looked when she was being led towards and away from Sawyer. If you look, she's not wearing anything over her right shoulder and her left shoulder appears tied on. a struggle? Post-escape passion? My first thought was that Sawyer had something to do with it, but I was drunk with Skater glee at the time... :wink1: somethings up though because I don't think they would just gift wrap such a pivotal moment for us if everything was all good.
::checks watch:: grr, still September :wallbash:

Raven, where did you procure your icon?

Darbi - I did a google image search for sawyer and kate images because I was sick of my rubbish advert, saw this pic and was like "yum yum" teehee! He does look mightly fine!

:sob:
It's soooooooooo beautiful!


*****

Hi guys,

Just visiting. I wanted to say thanks to Perdue and ravenmoon for their kind thoughts expressed over on the Jater ship. Love to you all.

lisagwilkins;:wavey:Welcome KatieFord, we're very glad to have you here!! :wavey:


How certain are you that SKATE will happen?

90-100% I'm betting my children on it.

80-89% You can have my next paycheck.

70-79% I'll sacrifice my favorite pair of Manolo Blahniks.

60-69% I'll give up my collection of Moonlighting Videos.

50-59% You can take the fence post I'm sitting on.

40-49% I'll give up my subscription to the LOST magazine.

30-39% I "might" be a Jater.

20-29% Oh my God, I'm a Jater, I've been found out.

10-19% I'm a SKATER with my head under the pillow until October 4th.

0-9% NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....lalalalalalalalalalala...NOT LISTENING!!!!!


So tell me my dear OutKaSters, where do you fall on this list?

Even though I don't have children, I'll definatley count myself as 95%, I'll allow 5% just for a little argument sake.


Hi ladies :wavey:
welcome KatieFord
I just changed my name from sk8tRvsj8tR to sk8 .100% pure skater ;)
Believe it or not I didn't read any spoiler since August 15th and it's hard to resist the temptation to read your hidden comments :crying: ,I feel like Charlie in "the moth",trembling and sweating .
Am I a fool for doing that? :nuts:
my reason is that I want to be surprised in s3,LOST is more exciting if you don't know what's going to happen.
I just allow myself to come here from time to time and watch your reactions,it cheers me up to feel it's gonna be party time at SKateville soon, are my feelings right?
I'm 100% confident about skate in s3.
LisaG,I don't have kids but I'll bet my life on it.:biggrin:

So, what are our predictions concerning why Kate looks so heartbroken...here's a thought posted by Leah Kate over on LF that's pretty interesting.


I just had another random theory for why the scene where Kate confesses her love is so "heartwrenching." If the Others did make her choose which man should live and which one die, I think she would choose Jack to live, regardless of her feelings, because he's a doctor, he's a good man, and it would be for the greater good of the castaways. They could take her to see Sawyer one last time, and she has to confess that she loves him, knowing she's sending him to his death. So sad! :(

Probably not, but ya never know

Also, here's my theory on based on what we've seen of the promo and spoilers we've gotten.


From the looks of the promo we saw where Sawyer kisses Kate. How Hans Solo was that, huh? :biggrin: Anyways, what if they're trying to go back in and save Jack, and they get seperated? Sawyer's captured again, which leads into his centric episode...and lord only knows what they do to him. Kate, having met with Sayid, Jin, Sun...perhaps Locke come up with a plan to try and get both men out, which they eventually do...well, Sawyer at least. If Kate hasn't made her confession (sorry, all the spoilers are starting to run together. can't keep them straight) by then, this could be when it happens. Their plan (or Kate's) could be her offering herself back up to the "Others". (yeah, I know, a bit farfetched) in order to get them both out. Depending on what goes down, she could confess her love for Sawyer to Jack. That way he knows of her decision which could effect Jack deciding to stay behind. The rescue takes place during the fifth episode and part of the sixth episode where Kate finally choses Sawyer...which leads to the sex we were promised.

Sorry for rambling...what do you guys think?

Hi just passing byJust want to say OMG how good is the promo the KISS!!! and Kate crying while walking away from the cage. I really want to watch it but i'll have a long wait in uk before it airs.

i'm so excited; all this has got me thinking that it would be pretty fun to write a fanfic, but then of course i'd have to read some others first to make sure i don't copy anyone unwittingly. and that in itself could take some time. Lisa, is it your fanfic everyone is chomping at the bit to read? ;) Where can I find the first chapter?

i think baby might actually be tired, now. which means i need to go ... see everyone later!

Katie,

I wouldn't say chompin' at the bit, but it has gotten some attention...

All of mine are posted on www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk) but there are also stories from our own losttvfan, girlspy15, fricksgurl75 and honeypoppy0212, not to mention the "Waterford Crystal" of fan fiction writers, our own LeahKate is there with her stories.

So please see what you think...

Hi guys,

Just visiting. I wanted to say thanks to Perdue and ravenmoon for their kind thoughts expressed over on the Jater ship. Love to you all.

Dear Dany,

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your kind words. Losttvfan and I had lunch today and we were talking about how many nice comments have come from the Jater ship and I personally want to say for both of us, you are are welcome to drop in and say howdy, whenever you wish.

After all, both groups love their ships, so you are all in our thoughts.

Huggs,
Lisa

How are we all this eve? I see everyone has been busy since I was last here.... here are my thoughts:

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOM G! Well.... I have to say that I did see some of your comments earlier when I checked into the Fuse briefly during my lunch hour - I couldn't post a response then, but OMG I really wanted to scream! I had the biggest grin on my face all afternoon , there was no way anyone was going to wipe that smile off my face!! :biggrin: I thought I'd never get back home to check in here again!
This is one great moment of Skateness - whether the rest of it goes well for us or not, I'm just going to enjoy my Skate feelings this eve - I do wonder too why they showed this kiss in the promo - after this eve, I'm still gonna remain cautiously optimistic not DEFINITELY optimistic - but HAPPY DAYS for now - I'll join in with the rest of you in a happy dance :happy_bounce:and the biggest SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE too! Ecstatic is definitely the word to describe me right now :biggrin:

:biggrin: :happy_bounce:

Hi folks,
Just wanted to stop by and share that sentiment of how nice you all have been to us poor confused (yet hopeful) Jaters on the Couch. And it occurred to me we as a collective audience sure are lucky it's such nice-to-watch people such as Jack and Sawyer forming the prongs of the triangle, instead of Fenry! :eek2: Kind of a win-win situation on the surface -- but as we know, it's all in the details, which we love to discuss.
You all seem rather calm today -- kind of like New Year's Day after the partying the night before, I guess :biggrin: . The Jater Couch has burned through nearly 20 pages and it hasn't even been 24 hours. Well there's a lot to sort out.
Either way it's going to be a LONG time till Oct 4! Thanks again for your hospitality.

Thanks for the kind words workingmom. And to all the Jaters that have popped in to say congrats. Thank you for your graciousness. :)

As far as the semi-subdued mood, I think we're all expressing our excitement but with caution. A decision hasn't been made yet and a lot could happen within those six episodes.

Ahem... do you guys even realize you are spoiling people simply by posting your reactions without using spoiler font?

Thanks for the kind words workingmom. And to all the Jaters that have popped in to say congrats. Thank you for your graciousness. :)

As far as the semi-subdued mood, I think we're all expressing our excitement but with caution. A decision hasn't been made yet and a lot could happen within those six episodes.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say nor mean to say "congrats";) Come on, now, I'm not THAT big a person.

allright SKATERS. spoilers are having to be covered up by the minis. this is NOT a good thing. and frankly is quite annoying. ALL COMMENTS, pics, promo talk, etc MUST BE SPOILER fonted.

the next report of unspoiler fonting in this thread WILL result in points. that would be 10 pts. and may cause you to lose you avatar.

so stop spoiling people with promo pics and related comments...b/c yeah getting old. thank you.

Sorry...I had no idea I wasn't being vague enough...:undecide: I'll be more cautious in the future. (leaves thru the back door)

[mother soap box]Yea guys, lets be careful. When in doubt spoiler. It's hard each season when promos come out. Have to keep a cool head when commenting or posting them. Just take a moment and preview your post before you submit it to be sure. Only takes a few seconds and save yourself some grief. [/mother soap box]

Now on with SKateness!

Good evening my dear OutKaSters...It's been almost 24 hours since we all got the best news we could have gotten, at least for a while, so I'm wondering how we all are doing.

Are you breathing yet? What do you think about it? What time did you go to bed last night?

Come on folks now that we've all picked ourselves up off the floor and are thinking rationally again...well at least for me, as rational as I usually am...let's get some analysis going...

So, personally, no I don't think I'm breathing again yet, but I am at least gasping for breath...hehehe. And the coolest thing was that girlspy15, losttvfan and myself were all seeing it on TV at the exact same time, and we had a collective heart attack and general "squeeing" fit. I couldn't even make my fingers dial losttv's phone number.

Oh one more thing...according to youtube, the promo's been viewed 9,730 times and favorited 159 times...how about that?

And as for what time I went to bed, losttv and I were still on the phone at 2:00 a.m.

Whooo hooo!!!! What a night!!!!

So what happened to you and when did you see it??

FYI, Josh will be interviewed on the TV Guide Channel at 8/7 central...check you cable company and find out what station it is for you...can't wait for that!!!

Huggs,
Lisa

So what happened to you and when did you see it??

FYI, Josh will be interviewed on the TV Guide Channel at 8/7 central...check you cable company and find out what station it is for you...can't wait for that!!!

Huggs,
Lisa

Don't know if you should re-check your post Lisa and spoiler-font some more - just thought I'd mention it in case!
I saw the promo here Lisa, wouldn't have heard about it otherwise more than likely. It's great to keep up-to-date with 'y'all' here :biggrin: :biggrin:

Please let me know about Josh's interview too, I'd love to see it - just in the wrong country as usual :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure I didn't say nor mean to say "congrats";) Come on, now, I'm not THAT big a person.


O-kay, well...

thank you retracted...? :confused:

O-kay, well...

thank you retracted...? :confused:

I'm sorry Darbi - I didn't mean to sound ungrateful for the thanks. It was just that you

thanked the Jaters who offerred "Congrats" and while I appreciated the sensitivity and concern we were shown, it doesn't mean that I've given up hope that things will work out the way I'd like them to.

It's hard to determine intent from posted words sometimes but that's why I put the wink in. I guess I thought that would make it clear.

Sorry again.

As far as the semi-subdued mood, I think we're all expressing our excitement but with caution. A decision hasn't been made yet and a lot could happen within those six episodes


:shesaid:

In celebration, Lisa, how about the next Chapter of the Vegas fan fic? (Hint, hint.)

Good evening my dear OutKaSters...It's been almost 24 hours since we all got the best news we could have gotten, at least for a while, so I'm wondering how we all are doing.

Are you breathing yet? What do you think about it? What time did you go to bed last night?

Come on folks now that we've all picked ourselves up off the floor and are thinking rationally again...well at least for me, as rational as I usually am...let's get some analysis going...

So, personally, no I don't think I'm breathing again yet, but I am at least gasping for breath...hehehe. And the coolest thing was that girlspy15, losttvfan and myself were all seeing it on TV at the exact same time, and we had a collective heart attack and general "squeeing" fit. I couldn't even make my fingers dial losttv's phone number.

Oh one more thing...according to youtube, the promo's been viewed 9,730 times and favorited 159 times...how about that?

And as for what time I went to bed, losttv and I were still on the phone at 2:00 a.m.

Whooo hooo!!!! What a night!!!!

So what happened to you and when did you see it??

FYI, Josh will be interviewed on the TV Guide Channel at 8/7 central...check you cable company and find out what station it is for you...can't wait for that!!!

Huggs,
Lisa



I thought 411 with Josh already aired last week?:confused: Maybe its a different one that I'm thinking of.

What happened to me...well I was watching some show at 9 pm then realized that abc was reairing the Grey's season finale, so I switched over to abc. I thought to myself, since earlier in the day we got a promo during some soap, I thought there was a good chance that another one would be shown. With that, I started to record Greys and about 10:30 the promo everyone is talking came on. I was excited because it was obviously a new one and then the moment happened. It happened so fast I wasn't even sure Sawyer was kissing Kate. I watched it again and the freak out happened. Hands shaking screaming and clapping like I won the lottery. I then raced to get it up on youtube so I could share the my joy with other Skaters. I think I finally made it to bed at 3:00 am.

In celebration, Lisa, how about the next Chapter of the Vegas fan fic? (Hint, hint.)

You got it STH, I'll have it done very soon.

I thought 411 with Josh already aired last week?:confused: Maybe its a different one that I'm thinking of.

What happened to me...well I was watching some show at 9 pm then realized that abc was reairing the Grey's season finale, so I switched over to abc. I thought to myself, since earlier in the day we got a promo during some soap, I thought there was a good chance that another one would be shown. With that, I started to record Greys and about 10:30 the promo everyone is talking came on. I was excited because it was obviously a new one and then the moment happened. It happened so fast I wasn't even sure Sawyer was kissing Kate. I watched it again and the freak out happened. Hands shaking screaming and clapping like I won the lottery. I then raced to get it up on youtube so I could share the my joy with other Skaters. I think I finally made it to bed at 3:00 am.

Lu, that definately made my night...I sure needed that hon.

ok i'm gonna spoiler font this whole thing just to be sure...

I
think i'm breathing now.... maybe LOL I want to find out whose in charge of what goes in the promos like that, if ABC decides or if the TPTB do, cause i just want to know why they'd show that in a promo... it is a rather big occurence, although they did show it rather quickly... maybe like i was just saying to Lisa the word was already out, and they figured 'what the hell?' But if it was ABC than they put it there knowing that would grab viewers.. who knows.. it's the only thing that bugs me...

but anyways on the promo, to me other than the kiss the part where they showed her walking away from his cage and she's trying not to cry until she's out of his view... that spoke volumes right there. And i keep watching that slo mo thingy again and i think i'm about to go into a squeeeeeing fit again... hang on..... SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

OK out of my system now, and it's time to go back to being calm and collected and cautiously optimistic again... not counting our chickens before they are hatched...
But one things for damn sure, we are getting another kiss, his hands are free and she's totally into it too..... i gotta stop..

God stop me before i squee again...:bonk:

I'm sorry Darbi - I didn't mean to sound ungrateful for the thanks. It was just that you

thanked the Jaters who offerred "Congrats" and while I appreciated the sensitivity and concern we were shown, it doesn't mean that I've given up hope that things will work out the way I'd like them to.

It's hard to determine intent from posted words sometimes but that's why I put the wink in. I guess I thought that would make it clear.

Sorry again.

Not a problem. But for the record...

I wasn't suggesting that you've given up hope about how things may work out. This is 'Lost', and things can change in a split second. I was just extending the same graciousness you and a few other Jaters that have stopped by with kind words back. That's all.

Promo discussion:



Some interesting fun things to note about the kiss scene in the promo:


Kate parts her lips to receive Sawyer's kiss.

Kate tilts her face upwards too.

Kate even appears to go on tip toe a little to get to the right height for the kiss.

Kate is giving Sawyer a heated gaze. (passion, anger, both?)

Sawyer is cupping her left cheek, his fingers threading through the hair at the nape of her neck and it looks like he brings up his other hand to mirror his right during the kiss.

If Kate didn't want to kiss him, why then does she remain pressed in a liplock with him in the close up part of the clip?

Kate does look like she's still in the dress, but it's dirty and looks like her straps broke on both sides, but she's managed to use a makeshift tie for the left one, the cord hanging down her shoulder.

Her hair is swept back, perhaps by a band, which is different from the cage footage. One can only assume that they are in a later episode when the kiss happens.

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


***Mod edited to add spoiler font***

DEFINITELY :shesaid:
yeah, I'm guilty of bragging to a Jater at work tonight. Wish I could have been the bigger person, but I wasn't... :devil:
still doin the happy dance though! :happy_bounce:

Got a question about the MOD post about the spoilers. I didn't know we had points to be taken away... maybe I'm just a good girl, but I wasn't aware of that. Hmm.

What Gregg Nations said about ABC promos:



http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1154704&postcount=2

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=893802&postcount=2


Very interesting. . . .




.

:wub: Morning OutKaSters:


Spoiler font just to be safe! Well here we are more than 24 hours after the promo aired and I am still numb with shock and still giddy with joy. How many times have we all watched that promo? Well here is the total views from YouTube as of a few minutes ago -- 39,996….and yes I just watched it again. Can you think of a nicer way to start the day?

:cheerleader: OK, so I am here this morning as a cheerleader…..let’s continue to celebrate. It was very quiet here yesterday; Skaters had little sleep as we all went crazy the night before, for hours, but we need to make sure our voices are heard, continue to support our ship and let TPTB see that we represent a fan base that IS delighted.

So let’s get back to some of our wonderful conversations, let’s speculate like crazy and dream about Season Three’s potential to exceed even our imaginations!:naughty:

BTW, as you watch the promo again (and I know you will), please leave a Skate comment…..who knows who may be reading all the little notes fans are leaving about this awesome promo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yX-PDJGmo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07yX-PDJGmo)


OMG is it October 4th yet?

Got a question about the MOD post about the spoilers. I didn't know we had points to be taken away... maybe I'm just a good girl, but I wasn't aware of that. Hmm.

Try the other way around, you get them for not following the rules. ;)
-> FAQ (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=points&match=all&titlesonly=0)

Joemamah that is interesting that Gregg confirmed:

What we suspected all along. That the PTB of the show have little to no control over what the ABC Promo department decides should go in the promo's to hype up the show and get people to tune in when the season starts. So the idea of the promo being some big fake out/mislead seems to not hold much water at all. Especially when other romantic scenes/kisses/sex scenes have already been leaked via promos before on Lost. It's not like it's an unusual precedent. :biggrin:

I love how it appears we are getting several Skate scenes and they don't all appear in the same episode. The kiss scene definitely shows them much more worse for wear.

My hope is that the kiss happens in Sawyer episode 'Every Man for Himself', and considering what the PTB said recently about Sawyer having to put himself emotionally on the line for someone, I think that person may well be Kate. My hope is that the title is ironic. That we are going to see Sawyer managing an escape and then despite his carefully constructed selfish persona, he's gonna try and rescue Kate, or both Kate and Jack. I think this episode may show Sawyer making a small step towards character growth. He's gonna be conflicted, but like Han with the Millenium Falcon, he's gonna change his mind and step up in a more heroic fashion. I presume the flashbacks will be about the Tampa job, how it went south and how Sawyer had to use that very philosophy: Every Man for Himself in order to survive/get out of that botched job. This will contrast with Sawyer being in a similarly dire situation with the Others, but choosing this time to put himself on the line for Kate. It seems they are quite keen to have these two bond over their ordeal. We shall see. I can't wait to see how Jack comes into the mix.

At least we know according to Kristen that whomever Kate tangles tongues with is supposed to have her heart as well. While I know that's not a dead cert that Kate will confess her feelings for and choose Sawyer, I think that the likelihood is greater than Jack. After all, whomever she chooses will also be who she has sex with. And quite frankly I just can't see Jack taking out time from being interrogated and chained up by Juliet to sex up Kate. It's more likely that Sawyer and Kate manage to escape and are on the run in the jungle when they finally consummate their love. ;)

Anyways, I should get to bed. Night skaters! *hugs*

Just in case....
I just saw the promo with the kiss....OMG!!!!!!!!!!! I am so excited! I usually TIVO Lost so I can fast forward the commercials, but in this case I don't know if I'll be able to. FINALLY!!!!!!!

Hello,

I'm new here and am so very excited that Season 3 is almost upon us. After seeing all the promos out there I'm even more excited. I am a huge Sawyer fan (Kate too).

Promo discussion:



Some interesting fun things to note about the kiss scene in the promo:


Kate parts her lips to receive Sawyer's kiss.

Kate tilts her face upwards too.

Kate even appears to go on tip toe a little to get to the right height for the kiss.

Kate is giving Sawyer a heated gaze. (passion, anger, both?)

Sawyer is cupping her left cheek, his fingers threading through the hair at the nape of her neck and it looks like he brings up his other hand to mirror his right during the kiss.

If Kate didn't want to kiss him, why then does she remain pressed in a liplock with him in the close up part of the clip?

Kate does look like she's still in the dress, but it's dirty and looks like her straps broke on both sides, but she's managed to use a makeshift tie for the left one, the cord hanging down her shoulder.

Her hair is swept back, perhaps by a band, which is different from the cage footage. One can only assume that they are in a later episode when the kiss happens.

Thank you Zoriah!

For that lovely morning wake up desription of 'the kiss' She doesnt look very conflicted to me anymore :D

Etrainor15, Welcome to Outkasts!!! Very happy to have you here! :D

And as far as what I thought of the Wednesday night abc promo....

Hehe, was in the middle of a YIM chat with Lisa and losttv, and I noticed Jack was on tv and it was a promo I hadnt seen before, so I turned up the volume, thought the voice/speaker part was cool. And then there was the kiss, I did a double take and then they did the close up, and I couldnt remember anything after that, lol. Probably rattled off every cuss word in the book. ;)

So thanks again, to all of you who posted links, screen captures, descriptions. Probably a scene thats gonna get alot of wear on my DVD's :D

eta: Welcome to GaGa4Sawyer too, let me know if you want to be a member ;). TTYL Skaters!!!:)

Hello,

I'm new here and am so very excited that Season 3 is almost upon us. After seeing all the promos out there I'm even more excited. I am a huge Sawyer fan (Kate too).

Hello GaGa4Sawyer :wavey:

Welcome to the best ship on the ocean of mystery! :boat:

Thank you for that warm welcome! I've been watching this show ever since the first summer reruns. I didn't watch during the regular season but got totally hooked during the summer of 2005. Now I'm looking forward to my withdrawl finally being assuaged. :biggrin:

But one things for damn sure, we are getting another kiss, his hands are free


Yep. For sure. :shesaid:

Hey there Outkasters!

Just watched the new promo again

and YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It still makes me so happy to see!

Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I'm still not convinced that this is the way the writers are going. I hope so badly that it is, but it just seems to easy that it all of a sudden looks so good for skate. Like I said before, all I can hope is that they have done it to break it to the jaters gently, because I don't see the point it would serve to show us ALL skate scenes and pro skate spoilers and show no scenes with jack and either sawyer or kate if skate wasn't going to happen. They've said many spoilers are false, but im beginning to think that either this is rubbish or the promo is also false. What we have seen in the promo fits in with the jack/juliet jack staying behind whilst sawyer and kate escape spoilers.

I don't know, I am so delighted with that kiss, but I do find it odd that the writers would show us a kiss, especially after apparently telling Kristen that the one that gets to kiss her is the one she loves. They definetly want us to think its sawyer she chooses it, and their purpose just worries me though! I know that gregg nations say its abc that shows the promos not the writers but it seems hard to believe they could leak something as important as a slkate kiss without the writers say after all the jate vs skate hype!

I really really really hope the writers arn't evil and just doing this to make everyone suprised when she chooses jack. That would make me loose faith in them. Whilst I would bve okay if jate happeed, i wont be okay if it happens after all they have shown and told us for 5 months!

I think being a skater i'm naturally cautious, skate has always been the underdog, so this is all strange, new and slightly giddy lol!

Thank you for that warm welcome! I've been watching this show ever since the first summer reruns. I didn't watch during the regular season but got totally hooked during the summer of 2005. Now I'm looking forward to my withdrawl finally being assuaged. :biggrin:

Welcome GaGa4Sawyer! I'm pretty new here, too, and became a Lostie [and an OutKaSt/Skate shipper] even more recently than yourself - in the last 5 months; needless to say I have been watching way more tv than a new mother ever should. :rolleyes:


But one things for damn sure, we are getting another kiss, his hands are free


Yep. For sure. :shesaid:

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I looove those kisses! Watch it again HERE! (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9241/gifskateww0.gif) Mrawwwwr!:biggrin: :thud: yum, cheesecake

Howdy OutKaSters...

Let's remember somethingthis is Sawyer and Kate, they are messy, beautiful, angry, imperfect and very very very much in love, more than either of them know, so it's not going to be perfect, and it's not going to be hearts and flowers and polka dots and all that silliness, but it is there...

We've been waiting for 2 seasons ever since he made his "birthday wish" in White Rabbit for this. It's been a long time coming and there is no way anyone can deny there is something between them. I don't think they would have the first kiss, the pill scene, the hug, the way the others pushed her right into his arms, and countless other instances and not do something with it.

Come on folks remember how happy we were the other night, let's keep it up...we know this is Lost and we know it's full of surprises and wierdness and strange twists and whatever but don't worry, at the very bare minimum we're getting another kiss and that alone is worth celebrating.

Huggs,
Lisa

Lisa, I'm sure you're right. I think I'm just tierd from work and don't have the friday night feeling tonight like I usually do lol!

I just get worried with HOW good it's looking for skate, butlike I've said, I can't imagine why the writers would make it look so good for skate just as a decoy, because TBH it's not like its a mystery who shes gonna choose it is either jack oir sawyer, just by making it look like its favouring one side over the other still doesn't mean that either side will be any more suprised, if you get my meaning.

I think I should just try to stay positive, but now a skate kiss as well...if it doesn't happen,if she pulls away from him and admits that she doesn't feel that way about him, it will be devistating. I think that's why I'm worried, because now if she doesn't pick him it will be that much worse!

But at least it looks like we will be having loads of skate scenes, and I for one can't wait. Even if god forbid she does pick Jack, I will just hope that like with ana and jack (and remember that the writers have said that there was no chemistry between jack and ana which is why they didn't make a romantic connection, and only a comrade one) the jate pairing will fizzle out and not work out making the writers have to switch their writing to skate. Personally I can't see how a jate relationship would work, but hen again, the writers could prove us all wrong.

Yay I feel a little more optimistic now :)

I'm really mad at myself, I keep avoiding writing my fanfic! Tmrw I'm going to physically make myself sit down and write it lol! I thnk it's living in my newhouse share, there are always loads of distractions!

Howdy OutKaSters...

Let's remember somethingthis is Sawyer and Kate, they are messy, beautiful, angry, imperfect and very very very much in love, more than either of them know, so it's not going to be perfect, and it's not going to be hearts and flowers and polka dots and all that silliness, but it is there...

We've been waiting for 2 seasons ever since he made his "birthday wish" in White Rabbit for this. It's been a long time coming and there is no way anyone can deny there is something between them. I don't think they would have the first kiss, the pill scene, the hug, the way the others pushed her right into his arms, and countless other instances and not do something with it.

Come on folks remember how happy we were the other night, let's keep it up...we know this is Lost and we know it's full of surprises and wierdness and strange twists and whatever but don't worry, at the very bare minimum we're getting another kiss and that alone is worth celebrating.

Huggs,
Lisa

I must admit, I was feeling a bit more like ravenmoon, like it's almost TGTBT, you know? But you're right; a kiss alone IS worth celebrating.
Check this out! :biggrin: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIrH76TrFrM) - a SKater from TLF put this together today
Another reason that Skate makes more sense is that Kate isn't her strongest when she's with Jack. Sure, she's still stubborn but not in the same way. Despite what Jack said to her ("it doesn't matter what you did ... we all died."), I feel like his emotion for her is a bit patronising. And after all, they wanted a strong Kate from the beginnning. Sawyer just 'gets' her more, there's no judgement because he's done a lot of things, too.

If this has been said, already, I apologize, and you're all probably thinking, 'well, duh,' but I have only recently had the time to rewatch the seasons and ponder all this- because of my baby - but this is helping me process in preparation for season 3 :biggrin: Anyhow I have to go wake up Lily, now, we're going to the Library.

Have a great day, everyone!!!

Hey there Outkasters!

Just watched the new promo again

and YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It still makes me so happy to see!

Maybe I'm just pessimistic, but I'm still not convinced that this is the way the writers are going. I hope so badly that it is, but it just seems to easy that it all of a sudden looks so good for skate. Like I said before, all I can hope is that they have done it to break it to the jaters gently, because I don't see the point it would serve to show us ALL skate scenes and pro skate spoilers and show no scenes with jack and either sawyer or kate if skate wasn't going to happen. They've said many spoilers are false, but im beginning to think that either this is rubbish or the promo is also false. What we have seen in the promo fits in with the jack/juliet jack staying behind whilst sawyer and kate escape spoilers.

I don't know, I am so delighted with that kiss, but I do find it odd that the writers would show us a kiss, especially after apparently telling Kristen that the one that gets to kiss her is the one she loves. They definetly want us to think its sawyer she chooses it, and their purpose just worries me though! I know that gregg nations say its abc that shows the promos not the writers but it seems hard to believe they could leak something as important as a slkate kiss without the writers say after all the jate vs skate hype!

I really really really hope the writers arn't evil and just doing this to make everyone suprised when she chooses jack. That would make me loose faith in them. Whilst I would bve okay if jate happeed, i wont be okay if it happens after all they have shown and told us for 5 months!

I think being a skater i'm naturally cautious, skate has always been the underdog, so this is all strange, new and slightly giddy lol!

You have to keep in mind...

Shippers are only a small, and I do mean small portion of the audience. The general audience who watch 'Lost' could care less who Kate picks, they just want her to pick already so we can all move on, and finally get back to what makes 'Lost' such an enjoyable watch...its mysteries.

Now, ABC, as I mentioned before is in this bad boy to make money, first and foremost. Sex sells, and if they can draw in an audience based off a hot kiss between two equally hot people...you better believe they're going to pimp that in their promos. They aren't ignorant to what would draw in certain viewers. Females, primarily.

Besides, at this point, I don't imagine the writers are all that concerned about ABC taking liberties in showing the kiss, because it's not like they haven't leaked specific spoilers concerning the situation and where Kate's heart lies. They've already commented that Jack could possibly be getting a new love interest in Juliet, so it's not really that surprising we're seeing a Skate kiss. Does that mean that Sawyer is Kate's choice? No, there's no evidence at this point that it is. We'll have to wait and see.

However, I think the writers are just as anxious to get this issue settle so they can focus on the aspects of the show that are meant to take precedent. The romance angle is cool, but it's not their primary focus, and never will be...thankfully.

But you're right; a kiss alone IS worth celebrating.


Indeed. No matter what happens, this is true. "Play it again, Sam."

You have to keep in mind...

Shippers are only a small, and I do mean small portion of the audience. The general audience who watch 'Lost' could care less who Kate picks, they just want her to pick already so we can all move on, and finally get back to what makes 'Lost' such an enjoyable watch...its mysteries.

Now, ABC, as I mentioned before is in this bad boy to make money, first and foremost. Sex sells, and if they can draw in an audience based off a hot kiss between two equally hot people...you better believe they're going to pimp that in their promos. They aren't ignorant to what would draw in certain viewers. Females, primarily.

Besides, at this point, I don't imagine the writers are all that concerned about ABC taking liberties in showing the kiss, because it's not like they haven't leaked specific spoilers concerning the situation and where Kate's heart lies. They've already commented that Jack could possibly be getting a new love interest in Juliet, so it's not really that surprising we're seeing a Skate kiss. Does that mean that Sawyer is Kate's choice? No, there's no evidence at this point that it is. We'll have to wait and see.

However, I think the writers are just as anxious to get this issue settle so they can focus on the aspects of the show that are meant to take precedent. The romance angle is cool, but it's not their primary focus, and never will be...thankfully.

Great post Darbi, and every word is spot-on!! We all definitely need to keep this info in mind! :biggrin:

yea all very true. wide open mind. ROAR can't sleep at nite

I just can't wait until the season starts already! (Hi, I'm new by the way!)
This also probably sounds a bit stupid, but I'm trying to figure out where to go to join this ship.. I'm not allowed to send messages and whatnot yet.

Well, that's it! Nice to meet you guys!
:sawyer:

I'm trying to figure out where to go to join this ship.. I'm not allowed to send messages and whatnot yet.

:sawyer:

congrats , you just joined.:)


Welcome SawyersGirl :wavey:

To the Best Ship on the Ocean of Mystery. :boat:

Hello there SawyersGirl! Welcome aboard! Alll the new people are kinda coming on in a little bit of a crazy time, but it's fun :smile: Welcome to all!!!

Oh, and Lisa, I gotta say that post was beautiful! Almost brought tears to my eyes. Definitely made me go back and watch the promo again... :Jumpy:

so the third episode is a Sawyer eppy? Very cool! You know what this means now right? We've waited so long for something like this to happen, and now we have to wait for the actual episode to air that it happens. WHY IS THE WORLD SO CRUEL?!?! :wink1: This is getting painful.
I hope all you outKaSts have a great day! It's snowing here in Colorado which makes for a beautiful afternoon on top of everything!

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

I just can't wait until the season starts already! (Hi, I'm new by the way!)
This also probably sounds a bit stupid, but I'm trying to figure out where to go to join this ship.. I'm not allowed to send messages and whatnot yet.

Well, that's it! Nice to meet you guys!
:sawyer:

Welcome to this thread SawyersGirl - and welcome to all the other newbies too! Some very worthwhile reading here, you won't be sorry you joined :biggrin:
Girlspy will give you an official OutKaSt number when she reads your post :)

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

One word: Bargaining. :biggrin:

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

I remember Sawyer said, something about gull crap and I think it applies here. :)

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

One word: Bargaining. :biggrin:

:mad: I have two words and two words only:


JATER SPIN

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

Pfftt...bullpuckey

One word: Bargaining. :biggrin:

:biglaugh:
just checking in and...
still squeeeing my little head off, i think i lost my voice... and i'm gonna concr with regards to the promo, ABC picks the clips for that not TPTB so they decided what clips to use, i doubt it's that big of a deal considering and all. I'm just happy to know we are getting one..

.we are getting ANOTHER kiss
just thought i'd say that again... and if he's forcing her then i concur with Isa on ABC, i want to be forced too..
if he was forcing her he'd have restrained her, her hands are free, she can get away at any time... but she don't want to from what i can see :biggrin:

and Sawyer is not dying.... that would be ratings suicide right there...
squeeees again just for the hell of it... :biggrin:

Okay everybody, I have something to say, scary thought I know, but I'm talkin' anyway....Two nights ago we got a glimpse into the idea that what we've been waiting on for two years is probably going to happen at the very bare minimum we have another kiss. Now you all know I love you and care about each and everyone of us, but my dear OutKaSts, I must say we have let the momentum and the excitement go right down the potty. Come on folks!! Where's the julbilation we had the other night?

Do we have so little faith in our dear Sawyer and Kate that we would worry so much. So what if they aren't together permanently or whatever, who know's what season 4 will bring and who knows what might happen? The point is we're bringing our own selves down and we DON'T need that. So let's get back to where we were the other night, let's enjoy what we have and stop second guessing. We know our Sawyer's going to be with Kate as long as possible and we know he loves her and we know she loves him. So let's just focus on that.

Do we really believe that after nearly 2 years of he-in' and she-in by those two and all the cute little looks and touches and innuendos and comments and all that the VIP's would pull it away from us? Come on, we don't really believe that. It's like someone's handing us a winning lottery ticket and we're saying, "no thanks I don't deserve it." Now we know better than that...Come on my darlin's...let's get it together and take care of business.

Some body post a good question and let's get away from the spoiler stuff and get back to enjoying the fact that we won!!! Even if it at least for the moment.

Huggs and love to everyone,
Lisa

I love your talkin'. Lisa, you're beautiful!

we are getting ANOTHER kiss
just thought i'd say that again... and if he's forcing her then i concur with Isa on ABC, i want to be forced too..

My response:
If that's forcing Fricks, I'd definitely want to experience that too :biggrin:

I remember Sawyer said, something about gull crap and I think it applies here. :)


Gull crap. . . yes, of course, it all makes sense, now. ;)

Okay everybody, I have something to say, scary thought I know, but I'm talkin' anyway....Two nights ago we got a glimpse into the idea that what we've been waiting on for two years is probably going to happen at the very bare minimum we have another kiss. Now you all know I love you and care about each and everyone of us, but my dear OutKaSts, I must say we have let the momentum and the excitement go right down the potty. Come on folks!! Where's the julbilation we had the other night?

Do we have so little faith in our dear Sawyer and Kate that we would worry so much. So what if they aren't together permanently or whatever, who know's what season 4 will bring and who knows what might happen? The point is we're bringing our own selves down and we DON'T need that. So let's get back to where we were the other night, let's enjoy what we have and stop second guessing. We know our Sawyer's going to be with Kate as long as possible and we know he loves her and we know she loves him. So let's just focus on that.

Do we really believe that after nearly 2 years of he-in' and she-in by those two and all the cute little looks and touches and innuendos and comments and all that the VIP's would pull it away from us? Come on, we don't really believe that. It's like someone's handing us a winning lottery ticket and we're saying, "no thanks I don't deserve it." Now we know better than that...Come on my darlin's...let's get it together and take care of business.

Some body post a good question and let's get away from the spoiler stuff and get back to enjoying the fact that we won!!! Even if it at least for the moment.

Huggs and love to everyone,
Lisa

Spolier-fonting again -
Indeed it is hard to keep the jubilation going here but I think it's very difficult to be 100% confident when it comes to Skate being the couple that the PTB might choose - not that I think in any way that they are not the couple, I just want to stay a wee bit nervous for them 'cos this is Lost and anything can happen.
Another reason for worrying so much about what will happen is because as someone said earlier Skate has been the underdog, they may have shown us so many reasons for Sawyer being Kate's choice but because of other factors I'm not having the 3-day Skate party just yet (only one bottle of bubbly opened so far :laugh:) - want to wait to hear/see what actually transpires ;) As for not feeling like we deserve to win the lottery ticket, I feel it's more a case of not believing we've won it/about to win it too!
Sorry for giving out a hint of negativity again - I'm trying not to be negative - more cautious than negative - and I still have quite a bit of positivity too after the latest promo, that's for sure :biggrin:
Lisa, I do think that we should focus on Skate's love - that is what we believe in after all.

I'll have to think about a new question for here - Darbi where are you? You're usually great for thinking of great questions!

Great post Darbi, and every word is spot-on!! We all definitely need to keep this info in mind! :biggrin:

of course this is true; and although this is about the only thread, Lost or otherwise, that I subscribe to, I love Lost because it's LOST, and if Skate didn't/doesn't happen, I'll still watch the show.

I just can't wait until the season starts already! (Hi, I'm new by the way!)
This also probably sounds a bit stupid, but I'm trying to figure out where to go to join this ship.. I'm not allowed to send messages and whatnot yet.

Well, that's it! Nice to meet you guys!
:sawyer:

Welcome! But I can't put it much better than:

Welcome SawyersGirl :wavey:

To the Best Ship on the Ocean of Mystery. :boat:

Has anyone even remotely heard that Sawyer's going to be dead by episode 3.6? Supposedly to give Kate back to Jack??

No!!! Really? I haven't heard anything about that ... and I don't really want to believe it ... I was gonna say that, although I love Lost for more than the Jate/Skate Debate, if one of them dies, I'm going to have a really hard time! Because :sawyer:

No!!! Really? I haven't heard anything about that ... and I don't really want to believe it ... I was gonna say that, although I love Lost for more than the Jate/Skate Debate, if one of them dies, I'm going to have a really hard time!

I think you can relax Katie -
pretty sure it isn't true now. Too many reasons for it not to be true anyway - a certain character is just way too popular to be killed off :biggrin:

One more thing OutKaSter's...

expect a video and Chapter 5 no later than tomorrow night.

Huggs,
Lisa

I think you can relax Katie -
pretty sure it isn't true now. Too many reasons for it not to be true anyway - a certain character is just way too popular to be killed off :biggrin:

I know, I know. :biggrin: I think I drank too much coffee and it's causing emotional overreactions. Plus, I'm waaaaaaaay too anxious for Oct 4th! I've never had to wait a week between episodes; I don't know how I'm going to contain myself! You guys are going to have to calm me down, hee hee ...

Deal, Katie!! Just as long as you share that raspberry cheesecake with me. :biggrin:

Deal, Katie!! Just as long as you share that raspberry cheesecake with me. :biggrin:

Okay, Lisa - deal ;) Hmmm, I should learn how to MAKE cheesecake!
So I cleaned my house this morning and baby is sleeping so I'm going to check out some fanfics, now. Then I'll make dinner. And ooh, someone at LostForum put up the Skate hug on youtube here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx6CsFds8Mc) . Ahh, bless. Sawyer is so tender with her there; I just love it.

Have a great nite, fellow OutKaSters!

Afternoon Outkasters! lisa, thanks for the pep talk. ;)

Just in case...

It could simple be my perception of things, but have any of you ever got the sense that the very idea of Kate even considering Sawyer as an option is like...deplorable?

Never mind the fact that Kate isn't exactly the poster child for purity and innocence. Can we say murderess, anyone?

I don't know...I just find that kind of odd.

It's snowing here in Colorado
SAY WHAT?!

I'm still using the A/C down here in Texas! Good grief! :rolleyes:

expect a video and Chapter 5 no later than tomorrow night.

Thank you, Lisa! :hug:

My dear OutKaSts,

Not that any of us have any doubt, but in case you ever did and you need some examples here's a new video.

This one is just done right now...

Enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e_vZLmuIOA

Chapter 5 is in the works...

Huggs,
Lisa

Afternoon Outkasters! lisa, thanks for the pep talk. ;)

Just in case...

It could simple be my perception of things, but have any of you ever got the sense that the very idea of Kate even considering Sawyer as an option is like...deplorable?

Never mind the fact that Kate isn't exactly the poster child for purity and innocence. Can we say murderess, anyone?

I don't know...I just find that kind of odd.

i'll spilerfont my response just in case..


deplorable huh? Like he's not worthy of being in any kind of relationship with anyone. Not worthy of being loved. He's the guy you screw before you settle down with a respectable guy. It's funny cause that attitude that some have is exactly the way he thinks of himself too. It's like Kate would cheapen herself by being with him or something. Sometimes Kate does get treated as more innocent then she actually is.

And it's like the very idea of the very distinct possibilty that she could love him is foriegn to some. God forbid she could consider him worthy of it.


i'll have more to say later... but i have so precious little time it seems :biggrin:

Great video, Lisa! :thumbup:

Lisa, just read some of your fanfic - made me blush! :blush: I've got a couple paragraphs of my own started; might take a while, tho. I'll let you know when i'm finished, whenever that is! ;) Anyhow, I'm out for the night, possibly most of the weekend, so, I hope I see y'all soon!
Happy Weekend my fellow OutKaSters!

i'll spilerfont my response just in case..


deplorable huh? Like he's not worthy of being in any kind of relationship with anyone. Not worthy of being loved. He's the guy you screw before you settle down with a respectable guy. It's funny cause that attitude that some have is exactly the way he thinks of himself too. It's like Kate would cheapen herself by being with him or something. Sometimes Kate does get treated as more innocent then she actually is.

And it's like the very idea of the very distinct possibilty that she could love him is foriegn to some. God forbid she could consider him worthy of it.


i'll have more to say later... but i have so precious little time it seems :biggrin:


I meant to say that some seem to think it deplorable, but I worded it incorrectly. My bad.

In reply to what you said...exactly.

It's that perception that Sawyer's unworthy of having anything. Love, respect or even a sense of self-worth. He's done so much wrong in the past, he's simply unredeemable. But first and foremost...he certainly isn't deserving of Kate. I mean, with Kate being the beacon of righteousness and upstanding morals...for her to lower her standards and be with such a low-life? :eek2: Perish the thought.

I just wonder at what point did Kate's misdeeds warrent a higher merit on the moral ambiguity chart than Sawyer's? Was it because her symbolic animal was more asthetically pleasing? :confused:

I just want to know why Kate opening her heart to love this man who just so happens to love her crazy tail too, viewed as such a dirty, forbidden thing? God forbide her squeeky clean reputation be tarnished any further. :rolleyes:


I don't know...

I meant to say that some seem to think it deplorable, but I worded it incorrectly. My bad.

In reply to what you said...exactly.

It's that perception that Sawyer's unworthy of having anything. Love, respect or even a sense of self-worth. He's done so much wrong in the past, he's simply unredeemable. But first and foremost...he certainly isn't deserving of Kate. I mean, with Kate being the beacon of righteousness and upstanding morals...for her to lower her standards and be with such a low-life? :eek2: Perish the thought.

I just wonder at what point did Kate's misdeeds warrent a higher merit on the moral ambiguity chart than Sawyer's? Was it because her symbolic animal was more asthetically pleasing? :confused:

I just want to know why Kate opening her heart to love this man who just so happens to love her crazy tail too, viewed as such a dirty, forbidden thing? God forbide her squeeky clean reputation be tarnished any further. :rolleyes:


I don't know...

I don't think this has be spoiler fonted but when in doubt...
I have never quite got that logic that Kate would be lowering herself if god forbid she got together with Sawyer cause you know she's the role model for high morality. I'm not sure why Kate, the same women who blew up her daddy and robbed a bank all for a toy plane would be lowering her standards and herself to be with Sawyer. I think ppl gloss over the fact that Kate did horrible things in her past and being Jack is her only saving grace.

:thumbup: great vid, Lisa! I like Dierks Bentley, he's a cutie pie.

And Luanne, I don't think that it needs spoiler font ...
I have never quite got that logic that Kate would be lowering herself if god forbid she got together with Sawyer cause you know she's the role model for high morality. I'm not sure why Kate, the same woman who blew up her daddy and robbed a bank all for a toy plane would be lowering her standards and herself to be with Sawyer. I think ppl gloss over the fact that Kate did horrible things in her past and being [with] Jack is her only saving grace.

but what do you mean? are you being sarcastic? .... EDIT: sorry. sometimes i overreact. :biggrin: i erased it all 'cos i'm embarassed :redface:. But i know no one will hold it against me ;)

I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic Katie. :)

Darbi, that amazing post you did over at the Hoolie thread from Kate's POV, it was inspiring. You should post it here too!!!

Lisa, just read some of your fanfic - made me blush! :blush: I've got a couple paragraphs of my own started; might take a while, tho. I'll let you know when i'm finished, whenever that is! ;) Anyhow, I'm out for the night, possibly most of the weekend, so, I hope I see y'all soon!
Happy Weekend my fellow OutKaSters!

Excellent Katie, we always need more fan fic writers.

I think basically there is a school of thought that says, some people fail to consider that Kate in many ways, and Damon said this too, is more dangerous than Sawyer ever thought about being, and these same people seem to put Kate into this revered, virginal, up on a pedestal way of thinking. Not that there's anything wrong with that, there isn't, but we have to remember that she's shot and/or killed at least 2 people and did blow up the house. She shot her boyfriend and his accomplice in the bank and she and Sawyer both shot and killed at least two of the others.

So this idea that Kate is guiltless and blameless is not correct. Now I'm not talking against her because Kate is one of my favorite characters, but I think the same people that see her in this virginal light, need to understand that she's not the precious sweet doctor's wife that they assume her to be. She is very smart, very intense and much smarter than certain other characters give her credit for being.

Just my thoughts,
Lisa

I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic Katie. :)


... yeah ... let's hope so, cos that would be silly to post if you were serious! :rolleyes:

some people fail to consider that Kate in many ways, and Damon said this too, is more dangerous than Sawyer ever thought about being, and these same people seem to put Kate into this revered, virginal, up on a pedestal way of thinking. Not that there's anything wrong with that, there isn't, but we have to remember that she's shot and/or killed at least 2 people and did blow up the house. She shot her boyfriend and his accomplice in the bank and she and Sawyer both shot and killed at least two of the others.

So this idea that Kate is guiltless and blameless is not correct. Now I'm not talking against her because Kate is one of my favorite characters, but I think the same people that see her in this virginal light, need to understand that she's not the precious sweet doctor's wife that they assume her to be. She is very smart, very intense and much smarter than certain other characters give her credit for being.

It's not that I think Kate is perfect, by any means. I just don't think that being with Jack will necessarily "save" her. I feel like maybe Jack is attracted to her because he thinks he can fix her .... but the way Kate is around him, I can't get excited about Jate. the reason I like her is because she's so IMperfect, and her character has so many facets.

but thanks for always trying to make us feel better. you're like the OutKaSt mum! :hug:

Darbi i knew exactly what you meant there, you Lisa and Luanne all were completly correct in these assessments here, and i didn't think they had to be spoiler fonted here but just to be safe once again..


my contention has always been that neither Kate or Sawyer are gonna find their salvation in someone else, you have to find that from within yourself, and live for yourself as well as others. And i've always said that if Kate chose to love Sawyer, and i'm thinking she does here, then that should not be questioned as the wrong choice for her, simply cause he's bad and reminds her of her past, blah blah blah. It's not going to lower her to some depraved level. In fact i think it would elevate both of them.

And as far as Kate goes i think women tend to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to things like this.. there has to be a reason why a woman would do this stuff, cause woman aren't percieved as violent, like men. Never mind the fact that if there is trauma that causes a woman to act out aggresivly and hurt epople or kill or whatever than there is for men who do these things too. Kate's childhood was bad yes, but so was Sawyers, it's not an exuse for either one's behavour at all, but it's a reason for it.

It think it's partly cause Kate was more helpful at the beginning, while Sawyer was antagonistic, but many completly ignore the fact that while many of Kate's actins were helpful, not all of them were selfless, some were a means to an end. Yes she is a good person in many ways, does good things, a criminall isn't all she is.. but it is part of who she is too. And one should not get less crap than the other for doing alot of the same things. Kate's crimes do compare with Sawyers, she has a laundry list of them, including Pre-Mediated Murder and Armed Robbery, these are not light crimes. They are felonies. Your talking serious jail time here. Please do not sell her short by saying that she meant well or was cornered into these, she chose to do those things knowing full well the consquences, no one forced her hand here. Kate is anything but a victim, and it's one of the many aspects of her that i love..

Unfortunately, Kate (along with Jack and James) IS a victim now--of The Others!

She's a strong person, but the idea that all this is happening to her as punishment for her past will HAVE to occur to her. . .with The Others encouraging the idea in her. Jack and James will have to wrestle with this, too.

Thus, the Fenry voiceover in that one promo about facing yourself being the most terrifying thing of all! :eek:

My personal opinion is that these three are gonna be stripped naked--emotionally and psychologically. Their time with The Others will leave deep scars. And bring them to self-revelations (NOT necessarily good ones, or correct ones!).

These eppys are NOT gonna be easy or fun to watch. When TPTB talk of a "lighter" season, with more romance and action. . .well, I tend to believe that we WILL see that. Even in these six eppys. But it'll be more in the remaining 17. And "lighter" could easily mean "lighter than the darkness we put you through in the first six eppys." Just saying.

We mustn't forget that the bonds J/J/K will be bound with are physical, psychological, and not very covalent at all! :eek1:

Kate's running from her past, but in order to really let go of it, she needs to face it. She needs to accept her flaws, her darker side as a part of her. No amount of whitewashing or excuse making is going to make what she did wilfully go away. Yes, I love the idea of having second chances and being able to have a clean slate, but she has proven that on the island she still reverts back to the criminal aspect of her character when she needs to. And let's face it, sometimes it's called for. The cunning, tough, resourceful, pistol shooting, facing danger side of her is a valuable part of her on the island, just as much as the nurturing, caring and compassionate side is. That's why Sawyer is so vital, in my opinion for her character progression forward.

Sawyer understands where she is coming from and won't judge what she did (the old throwing stones in glass houses analogy). He may remind her of her past and force her to look at and decide what she needs to change, BUT, and this is huge...he doesn't rub her nose in her doo doo like a bad puppy the way Jack seems to do. Even if it is inadvertant, it's Jack who makes Kate feel bad and unworthy about her past actions. He doesn't inspire her (she already on her own wanted to be good and do good) but instead undermines her confidence, her strength with his disapproval/cold shoulder/berating behaviour towards her. She needs to get her own groove back, her self esteem. And that has to come from within, not externally through Jack. Sawyer can offer her a safe harbour where her past does not matter or hold her back, it's simply who she was, a part of her. No more or less than who she is now or will be in the future. Kate can truly be herself with Sawyer. No need for masks, to play a role, she can just be Kate. No shame, no constant apologies, no 'if you could only be this, Kate, then you'd be good' attitude. And that's a gift, and the only way Kate can examine herself and who she is, and move on from that.

Sawyer's got her back. It's pretty obvious he does. Even when he was jealous about her netcapade with Jack, he still showed his unconditional support. That's what I call mature love. Look at the scenes in THP, and the hug when Libby died. When it really matters, Sawyer is behind her 100%. Not second guessing her abilities to protect herself, not forbidding her to participate or shutting her out of the decision-making process.
Sawyer is protective but he trusts Kate to look after herself, gives her a gun when she needs it, and respects her spunk, her courage and her skills. He is a partner, not a coach or a father figure trying to keep her in a glass cage. He LISTENS to her, askes her opinion and lets her make her own decision as a grown woman. AS SHE SHOULD. I can't stress enough that strong independent Kate will only emerge when her decisions are not constantly taken out of her hands by paternal figures like Jack. And Kate needs this to move forward. She needs to not feel as though she has to constantly prove herself to be in the boy's club, not be treated like a child who needs constant supervision and discipline. Quite frankly she needs to be allowed to make her own mistakes, and own them. With Jack, I often get the impression Kate's walking on eggshells, trying not to say or do the wrong thing, or to be the kind of woman that Jack might not like or respect.

I think Sawyer gives her that breathing space. Gives her room to grow on her own and doesn't try to stifle her, or make her grow a certain way like some overly pruned plant which ends up being stunted rather than flourishing into something strong, resilient and beautiful.

Anyway, that's how I feel. That's why I think Kate can and will grow as a person by taking a chance with Sawyer.

I have found it odd too that some people overlook or readily forgive Kate's past as if she were somehow already redeemed by the mere fact of being on the island. If you look at it objectively, she is actually worse than Sawyer. As far as we know, he conned several people and committed one murder. Kate, on the other hand, has what, three or four murders on her rap sheet, along with bank robbery, arson and a few other things? (I can't believe I'm actually saying that one murderer is better than another, but there it is.)

Will she be redeemed by the love of another murderer? Or is it the love of a good doctor that will truly save her? And is the "good doctor" really as good as he has been made out to be? That's the real question isn't it? And the reason we all are counting the days...

Hi everyone,

I'll try to post more here. I was in the spoiler section and I'm really surprised that some people think
she's not reciprocating the kiss or that the promo is misleading.
A kiss is a kiss no? :undecide:

I don't live in denial but I would find it weird if they show skate kiss in promos because it sells but she ends up choosing jack.:confused:
It's a Disney show after all, do you think they'll make her kiss both guys (one guy per day!?) especially if there's not a Kateback in the mini arc.

Boo, punkin you may want to spoiler font your question


:kiss: to Boo she probably wasn't around to edit her post, sorry myha.Tried lookin out for my girls!

Unfortunately, Kate (along with Jack and James) IS a victim now--of The Others!

She's a strong person, but the idea that all this is happening to her as punishment for her past will HAVE to occur to her. . .with The Others encouraging the idea in her. Jack and James will have to wrestle with this, too.

Thus, the Fenry voiceover in that one promo about facing yourself being the most terrifying thing of all! :eek:

My personal opinion is that these three are gonna be stripped naked--emotionally and psychologically. Their time with The Others will leave deep scars. And bring them to self-revelations (NOT necessarily good ones, or correct ones!).

These eppys are NOT gonna be easy or fun to watch. When TPTB talk of a "lighter" season, with more romance and action. . .well, I tend to believe that we WILL see that. Even in these six eppys. But it'll be more in the remaining 17. And "lighter" could easily mean "lighter than the darkness we put you through in the first six eppys." Just saying.

We mustn't forget that the bonds J/J/K will be bound with are physical, psychological, and not very covalent at all! :eek1:

Well said STH, and I think that is exactly what is going to happen. There is obviously a "reason" the Others have taken these three, some psychological game playing perhaps? They choose the three people involved in the triangle, that doesn't appear random, it appears very deliberate! Are they exploring relationships, testing how far these characters will go for "love", attempting to turn them against one another?? The questions are endless.....and October 4th is still too far off!

As for Kate, IMO the posts here about her have hit the nail on the head! Kate is no fairytale princess, she is tough, damaged, feisty, selfish, and has made awful choices. She is also generous, caring, flawed, confused and terribly hurt. She's a real human being who has a chance on the Island to examine her life, make better choices and maybe, just maybe find real love. She doesn't need to be made to feel "unworthy" or like "damaged goods", she needs the support of someone who understands how she got where she is and can stand beside her as she makes the journey she needs to take in order to heal herself. Someone who can love all of her, the black, the white and shades of gray that blend together and create such fascinating and complex woman. I think Leah Kate was the one who said "Kate needs a partner, not a coach".

Hey outkasters!

I compleately agree with what everyone has said about Kate's charater. I also find is bizarre that some people seem to see kate as this angelic figure, and oviously try and not think too hard about what she has done. Maybe they have to do this to try and make a jack and kate pairing make more sense to them. She is worse than sawyer, the writers have even said that. And another excuse people use to make kate's character seem more worthy than sawyers is the fact she wants to change. Yeah, in some instances she does appear to want to change, but I think this is more for appearences sake, which is why I believe that sshe attached herself to jack immediately. I'm not saying she didn't later develop feelings for him, but she knew that he was the one peoiple looked up to and she quickly established herself as his second in command. But when it comes down to it, when it suits her purposes she reverts back very easily and quickly to her criminal ways, such as in WTCMB and WKD she manipulated and lied and conned people. This is the woman who convinced sun to poison michael, I can just imagine her manipulating sun into thinking that it was the right thing to do when really it just suited kate's own needs.

And what also makes me so angry is the fact that alot of people don't think sawyer wants to change or has changed. What a load of rubbish. In his flashback's we see a conman who will screw his way around women heartlessly, who appears to be selfish, caring only about himself.
Now on the island despite his best efforts to be the outcast,m the loner and the hated one, when it comes down to it he has been seen to be reliable and caring. He got himself shot trying to save walt, he gave kate all his alcohol to try and save boone with not so much as a sarcy comment, he even offered to help. He sat down and read to a aaron just to help out and keep him quiet. If this isn't character growth and change I don't know what is. Are we supposed to think he would have done any of this before he crashed on the island? Yes, for every step taken forward there are usually two taken back, but at least he does try, and that's what we all love about him. He has the longest path to redemption to climb than any of the other character's even kate. We can't even begin to imagine the deep psychological scars that he has a result of witnessing both his parents death by the hands of his father.

I genuinely cannot even imagine how anyone can think that kate would be able to admit what she had done to jack and he be okay with it. There is no indication that we haveseen that jhe would understand. Kate and sawyer know that if only they were brave enough that they have found within each other a person that wiull never judge them, a person that can sympathise. And when youre character is defined so much by your past and these twp characters are I truly believe it is of the upmost importance.

Another thing I've been thinking about is Kate's gradual annopyance with jack that had been building throughout the last few episodes. For example the look of disgust on her face whgen jack ORDERED her to go with sawyer to get the heroin so he would know where the guns were. She was titally shocked that jack would come up with a plan like that. Also in the finale when she specdifically LET JACK WALK BY then turned to sawyer about shooting the others. She knew he wouldn't question her, wouldn't try and protect her from it or control it, he trusts her to know what to do, he respects her judgement and opinion. I just loved her line to him, "are you in" and he just nodded and they pulled out their guns. It just summed up what I love about skate. And lets also remember when jack again ORDERED her to stop when her and sawyer were going to go after the other that got away she had such a look of pure annoyance and fraustration on her face. And when sawyer got shot with the electric stuff in the finale she automatically ran back for him, it was Jack who grabbed her and thrw her over his shoulder, a lot of people seem to think that she didn't care so much that sawyer got shot with it then, bubt it was Jack who prevented her, nt her running away after jack leaving sawyer.
As for the "look" at the end of the season between jack and kate that of course automatically means that it was a psychic exchange of love between jack and kate. Oh come on, sawyer was looking at jack as well, I';m sure he was also trying to project his love to jack also. It wouldn't make more sense that they were both hoping this plan jack had promised them would materialise soon. And I'm sure kate wasn't too happy jack kept her in the dark about the plan as well.

I feel a bit better now actually. So many people keep saying that skate would make no sense in s3 b ecauswe the writers have set it up for jate to happen based on the finale, I just don't buy it. I believe the skate scene as well as kate's growing fraustration with jack's controlling tendacies have almost paved the way for skate to happen.

And as for the new skate kiss, I have read in so many places, mainly the abc forum thjat kate is being forced into kissing him yet again. Well she's not pulling away and she is tilting her head and parting her lips ready to be kissed. She doesn't look unwilling to me. That's not personal interpretation, that's just loking at the actual kiss and their action's. So if people want to delude themselves or make themselves feel better by thinking that he is forcing her into it, then fair enough, but that's all they're doing, deluding themselves.

Yay, my rant made me feel much better! Roll on s3 in all its skateiness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow...what a rich, thought provoking topic of discussion to wake up to this fine Saturday morning. You guys rock. ;)

Wish I had the time to add a few more thoughts right now, but I'll be back later to do so.

First off, let me just say WOW!!! Blown away by the outstanding discussion again in here ladies. :claps:

Hey outkasters!

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And as for the new skate kiss, I have read in so many places, mainly the abc forum thjat kate is being forced into kissing him yet again. Well she's not pulling away and she is tilting her head and parting her lips ready to be kissed. She doesn't look unwilling to me. That's not personal interpretation, that's just loking at the actual kiss and their action's. So if people want to delude themselves or make themselves feel better by thinking that he is forcing her into it, then fair enough, but that's all they're doing, deluding themselves.

Yay, my rant made me feel much better! Roll on s3 in all its skateiness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I havent read much of the abc commentary lately, seems its been hard to post over there lately, but just wanted to say...

I actually find the fact that Sawyer reaches out to Kate to be more refreshing. I mean in both the first Skate and Jate kisses, Kate initiated it, so this shows alot of growth on Sawyers part that he feels confident enough to express his feelings towards Kate. I can only hope that the spoilers are true and she reciprocates his feelings. I think its very promising though, cause she is crying alot around Sawyer, and the kiss looks like it takes place after all that cause she is more dirty, so I think that kiss will be the after effect of what they are forced to go through. After Kate has thought things out, and we know Sawyer has too.

The thing I hear some people say is that Kate will kiss Sawyer and then realize she loves Jack. Now doesnt this seem a bit repetetive? I seem to recall another scene back during S2, where she did the exact same thing to Jack. I dont think shed be that flip floppy. And c'mon, give the girl a little more credit then to need a kiss to make her final decision. It only makes sense to me that they are thrown in dire circumstances yet again, and just like in THP, it forces them to look beyond the walls and barriers.

As far as the Sawyer versus Jack debate, I think it all comes down to stereotypes. And I think alot of people see Sawyer as the resident bad boy, who will only drag Kate down with him. And Jack as the hero, who will lift Kate up when she is down. Only thing is, as many of you have all pointed out. Who has been more supportive and accepting of Kate? Who was there for her when AL & Libby died? Who got her a gun when they went after Ethan? Who gave her a weapon, when she went out with Claire and Danielle? He respects her independence and has never treated her like a child. IMO, Skate is where the real adult love is at. And we all know Kate has definately had an influence on Sawyers choices as well. I mean he has become more a part of the group thanks to her. I think in most ways they have only helped one another realize whats important. And I say help, cause I think especially in Sawyer and Kates cases, that for any personal growth they have to come to that decision to change on their own. They can be one anothers motivators, but I dont think either one is gonna like being lead around by the hand to be told what is right and what is wrong.

And I dont want to see them whitewashed either. I think thats unrealistic. Sawyer will most likely always struggle with his self hatred and the guilt over his parents and Ducketts death, but coming to terms with it, may make it easier on him....Same with Kate, shes never gonna be a Donna Reed type, who sits home waiting for her man, so she can do right by him. And I dont think she really wants that either. They each have to accept what they've done in their pasts, and perhaps by accepting one another, it will be less difficult for them to make peace with what happened. I think thats the best motivation someone can have. Just to know that when you've done something wrong, that the person who loves you, loves you unconditionally, no matter what.

Well said Rogue!

:toot: Wow, what great stuff to wake up to today...Now that's the kind of conversation we need...I'm so proud of all of us...

I have to go run my weekend errands so I'm off but y'all got it nailed today...I'm so happy, can't wait to answer all this...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

I've been thinking alot about

the context of the kiss in the promo. Based on what we've seen and heard in spoilers, you would assume that it occurs after they have escaped, so for arguements sake I wou;ld say this is probablly from episode 3 at the earliest if not episode 4 (as im not sure how many episodes they have filmed yet). It appears they are both running through the jungle and on a spur of the moment thing sawyer grabs her a kisses her. They both seem dirty, kate's hair is in her no nonsense bun, rather than hanging loose and pretty as we have seen in it the promo, and both appear to be wearing the same clothes.

I agree with what quite a lot of people have been saying that this isn't the moment kate decide's. I tghink this kiss is either because they are in dier danger and sawyer just grabs her on a impulse and kisses her because he's worried they mayt get captured and separated again, or maybe this comes after she has already chsen him. Maybe whilst they are in captivity together (and hopefully after many lovely skatey scenes) she admits she loves him etc, and then they escape and he just grabs her and kisses her because they have now admitted their feelings for each other and he can do it freely etc.

I was also thinking of this heart wrenching aspect of it, and I don't see why it necessarily has to be kate admitting her love for saaywre to jack or vise vera. Would it not be a heart wrenching scene if kate admitted her feelings for sawyer then he tells her he doesn't deserve her and isn't worthy of her love, she tells him he shouldn't put himself down, and that she is as bad as him, and he is all like, no you dont understand I had sex with ana just before she died. Kate is all shocked, sawyer is devistated because he thinks hes ruined everything. Then the others come and separate them, leaving sawyer thinking he's lost kate forever but in a final attempt he calls out that he loves her after her, then when we see them together again she asks him to explain his actions and he tells her he thought she would never want him over jack and thought she had already chsen him etc and then kate will forgive him because its not like she wasxnt carrying on with the two of them.

I don't see why jack has to be involved at all if it was sawyer she was fgoing to choose!

Anyway that's enough speculation for one post anyway!

You all have my opinions down to a tee.. I could never understand what arguments are plausible to make Jate work. I've always noticed that while Kate might have an attraction to Jack, it seemed as if there was a lot of frustration towards him on her part, and even a tiny bit of resentment for his patronising manner towards her.. while Sawyer has always ever gave her the benefit of the doubt.. and Skate has better chemistry..

On with the fireworks! (God I love Skate :biggrin: )


edit:: dunno if this is a spoiler or not but just in case


I almost forgot the whole Ana Lucia/Sawyer incident.. It occurred to me that Jack himself might bring it up just to throw a wrench in the Skate relationship.. Maybe things will be looking good for them then all of a sudden Jack comes in with something like "well your beloved Sawyer screwed Ana Lucia" which could upset her enough to run to Jack and do something she might regret later.. Just a speculation..

I guess I'm just not very optomistic about SKate these days. The kiss is wonderful and I'll take it, thank you very much. But it doesn't seem very "LOSTy" to give away the answer to the triangle in a promo. I have the feeling that since things are never what they seem, what we saw is NOT what we will get and Jack and Kate will indeed be the golden couple. If that happens, I just hope that Sawyer's story arc will continue to honor the character and his development and not deteriorate into Jack's comic sidekic.

jaq knows 2 things . Sawyer loves Kate or at least he assumes Sawyer was talking about Kate , when he said, "I love her" and jaq knows Sawyer screwed Ana.

I guess jaq could say " I love her" was doctor patient confidentiality . :rolleyes:

There may be a reason jaq knows these 2 things.

Darbi posted this on the FF, but is having trouble bringing it over so:

Originally Posted by Darbi
Okay, I've been thinking about Kate's declaration of love for either guy and how realistic it is at this point. And honestly, is there a time limit on how soon a person begins to have feelings for another person, even fall in love with them?

If you think about where Kate was mentally, emotionally as well as physically before she boarded that plane, I'm not so sure her falling in love with someone at this point is that implausible.

For three, four years Kate had been on the run, having cut off from all emotional ties from those she loved. Diane, Sam, Tom...perhaps a few other friends. Diane dies, Tom dies...there's only the suggestion that she communicates with daddy Sam via letters from time to time. In essence, she's isolated from the world in a sense. Relationships beyond what she's able to manipulate out of a person (ie. Jason and his croonies) her life is devoid of the things it seems she's always craved. Unconditional love and acceptance.

With the heightened state of emotions of being in the hands of the law again, her mortal fear now a reality. She will never be free. She will pay for all her crimes--the most unpredictable situation occurs, she survives a plane crash of all things, and Kate Austen, the fugitive gets a second chance to start again.

One of her first encounters is meeting a man who enlists her help with an act this is highly intimate, requiring a great deal of trust. He's handsome, confident, kind. What woman wouldn't be attracted? He tells her a story that settles her as she goes about stitching a gash in his side. Infusing her with confidence that she doesn't have to run, or be in fear anymore. Later, as their friendship begins to evolve, he tells her that everything about her past doesn't matter, they all have a second chance on this island to right their wrongs. Find salvation. And boy doesn't that sound delightful?

Her heart wants nothing more than to be receptive to everything he's saying, but her head...the caution that permeates throughout her, the very thing that triggers her need to run remains on alert. Can she trust what he's saying? Can she trust herself? She sure wants to...but she's cautious.

In the meanwhile, she's also encountered another man, and everything about him makes her want to run. Overt sexuality, tempermental, crude, sarcastic, cocky...why isn't she running at the mere sight of him? One thing...he sees her. Not only the woman she wants to be, but the woman she is. The person that lurks in darkened corners praying that no one notices the less then pleasant things about her. The shades of grey that can lighten or darken according to her mood. How does he do that? Why can't she move or run away? He can't mean her any good, right? She's dealt with this type of guy before. They're all the same.

No, not all the same.

He challenges her. Makes her accountable, right or wrong. Evokes in her those rather dark aspects of her soul, secrets that she'd just as soon ignore by bringing them out in plain sight. And he surprises her, because there's a lot more to this man than what meets the eye. There's a surprising tenderness and kindness even within his barbaric sense of honor that lurks underneath his angry, sarcastic shell. And yes, he's handsome and sexy and overwhelmingly manly at times.

The problem, however, lies in where exactly does Kate' heart lie? Granted, she may not have been looking for love after the crash, but it sure found her. Both men have their virtues as well as their shortcomings. Who does she choose, and why?

We'll find out in a few weeks.



And on top of this I found a fabulous post by Duffy in the Spoiler section which brings up some great intelligent points as well:


Sadly, the fact that people can see Sawyer as haunted and nearly irredeemable yet see Kate as "ready to make peace with her past" (paraphrasing), is really just a sign that the writers have failed to develop the female characters as organically as the males. No one gets a pass - morally, spiritually, legally or emotionally - from capital murder. This is the bond between the characters - a psychic wound like no other.

Of course they can be romantic together. In fact, that is their primary appeal. The two actors look fabulous together and play off each other with a lot of electricity. The two characters have an open vulnerability and honesty with each other that they can't have with anyone else on the island. I think this is one of those "happy accidents" that happens sometimes when actors are cast so perfectly, and of course the storylines should adapt to it and use it.

Kate and Sawyer were featured in this promo (in my opinion) because they are deliciously marketable right now. Having a hot couple on a tv show does a lot to keep the show in the papers and on people's minds. I'm not predicting the end of the series - and neither can anyone else - but right now this just looks like a great move for TPTB. From a storytelling AND a PR standpoint. It gives the writers and the actors lots of juicy stuff to work with. I think it adds a lot to the coming season.

As for preferring a Kate/Jack X files duo...I just don't think that honors the brilliant ensemble quality of the show, or takes advantage of the charisma or the potential of all the other actors.

Whether she ends up with one or the other, I'm seriously hoping she ends up with Sawyer. I'll watch the show regardless, because it's an AWESOME show.. but if she chooses Jack, I think I might cry.. a lot.:broken_heart: lol I'm so lame. :sob:

Whether she ends up with one or the other, I'm seriously hoping she ends up with Sawyer. I'll watch the show regardless, because it's an AWESOME show.. but if she chooses Jack, I think I might cry.. a lot.:broken_heart: lol I'm so lame. :sob:


My fellow 88 OutKaSter...don't fret. We're all in the same boat at one time or another.:rolleyes:

Zoriah, thanks for bringing that over. I don't know why I can't copy/post from other forums to this one.

Interesting picture of Sawyer, Kate, and Jack in this weeks Entertainment Magazine. When discussing the charactors, the big question for Kate in the third season is obviously which guy will she choose. The prediction from the staff is that she'll pick Sawyer but then jealousy will raise it's ugly head when Jack looks elsewhere.


My opinion is that jealousy can head-butt our girl for all I care, Sawyer is still the better man :smile:

The prediction from the staff is that she'll pick Sawyer but then jealousy will raise it's ugly head when Jack looks elsewhere.


My opinion is that jealousy can head-butt our girl for all I care, Sawyer is still the better man :smile:

I agree completely. I can see where she might get jealous if she chooses Sawyer and Jack finds someone else. But then again, if she really looked into the core of her being before choosing a guy, I don't think she'd care, much less mind should Jack have a new love interest.. I mean, she'd be too happy (or as happy as she would let herself get) with Sawyer to let something like that really get to her.



:redface: