Interesting picture of Sawyer, Kate, and Jack in this weeks Entertainment Magazine. When discussing the charactors, the big question for Kate in the third season is obviously which guy will she choose. The prediction from the staff is that she'll pick Sawyer but then jealousy will raise it's ugly head when Jack looks elsewhere.


My opinion is that jealousy can head-butt our girl for all I care, Sawyer is still the better man :smile:

I agree completely. I can see where she might get jealous if she chooses Sawyer and Jack finds someone else. But then again, if she really looked into the core of her being before choosing a guy, I don't think she'd care, much less mind should Jack have a new love interest.. I mean, she'd be too happy (or as happy as she would let herself get) with Sawyer to let something like that really get to her.



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IMO:

Kate's choice will END the triangle! I think TPTB are as tired of this monster they created as we are. They will resolve it and move on, creating new relationships and potentially new triangles...but this one will have run its course. There are a lot of other issues they have said they want to focus on in S3 and many other characters who's stories need to be further developed...and there are several new characters to introduce. This is an ensemble cast with terrific actors and a huge storyline. The triangle arc has already spanned more than two seasons....time to move on.

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The point I've always stood behind. It of course has got to be the white knight and the damsel in distress. Well, ya know, in King Arthur, he didn't get the girl and the "bad" Lancelot did. He didn't follow constraints, rules or his king. He followed his heart. It beats in everyone even Sawyer. To say he can't love or be loved is wrong. His heart is the same as Jacks, he can show love and give it just as any other person can. Just because what happened to him and what he has done in his life up to this point does not make him unworthy or any less of a human being that wants, needs that kind of connection.

Ann...I think you're absolutely right. The love triangle between J/K/S was always meant to be supplementary to the primary storylines, yet, it's turned into it's own monster, and it's darn near crippled each of the characters involved in one aspect or another.

It's time to move on, and I, for one, am really looking forward to seeing what the new characters are bringing to the show. I'm excited to see how characters we didn't get to see a lot of last season will be involved. Hopefully, they will remain heavily involved throughout the season, and not just in the mini arc. I'm excited to find out something surprising, good and bad about the characters we already know. I want to be in intriged and in fear of the island itself again...because last season...kind of just became a back drop where these people lived, not nearly the mysterious, ominous character it seemed in S1.

After a season of feeling stagnant, confused and frustrated with being stuck in the god forsaken hatch...I'm ready to stretch out and enjoy the run again. ;)

and I, for one, am really looking forward to see what the new characters are bringing to the show.
I'm especially interested in seeing the contributions of Desmond and Fenry!

And they can start by telling us Fenry's real name, thank you very much! :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, I'd be delighted to see James and Kate together at last--with Jack free to continue his self-discovery without them. (Personally, how much those two could contribute to Jack's "journey" had gotten WAY too compromised by the triangle stuff, anyway.) To me, James and Kate's "journey" to "redemption" is best continued together. Jack's best off on his own.

Maybe that's why they'll have Jack opting to stay with The Others, while James and Kate work out THEIR lives among their OWN "people." Absence makes the triangle fizzle faster, yeah?

:biglaugh: STH...so true.

Good evening my dear OutKaSters...

It's so great to see everyone so excited about impending events. My goodness such wonderful posting and I agree completely with what our own A2M said about how Jack knows that Sawyer loves Kate and he knows about Sawyer and Ana. That cannot help but have an effect. The question is what will the effect be.

Now personally I see absolutely no possible or plausible way (and I'm spoilering just to make sure I don't get in trouble), Kate could chose Jack. Let's look at this situation purely from evidenciary support. Let's assume for the moment that this was a courtroom and this was a case. We have the prosecution (Jate) on one side and the defense (Skate) on the other. A verdict is based solely on a decision supported by evidence. Nothing is real with our evidence and examples to back it up. Now I am not say that there is no connection between Jack and Kate and I certainly won't deny that there are feelings there. But we must prove beyond the shadow of a doubt to a moral certainty that what we have is what we think we have, and so must the prosecutor. So if all evidence is equal, the case would obviously go to a jury and the jury would have to decide who ultimately has the strongest case.

So let's argue this "case" based on the evidence we know to be true at this time. Let's leave out Season 3 since it hasn't happened and as much as we believe wholely and completely that what we've seen is absolutely going to happen, we still don't know for sure until those episodes air.

Okay so let's list the prosecutor's merits and the defense's merits.

Presecutor (and I'm starting here because in criminal cases the prosecution opens first)
1. Kate sewed up Jack's back after the crash.
2. Jack got buried in the cave in and Kate helped dig him out and hugged him.
3. Jack saved Sawyer's life after the knife wound.
4. Something about Guava seeds that I don't even remember.
5. Jack came to get Kate to help him find Michael.
6. Jack saved Sawyer's life again after he was shot.
7. Jack threatened to withhold his medication if Sawyer didn't give him the case.
8, Jack made Kate cry over the toy plane.
9. Kate lied to him about the key.
10. Jack used Kate to follow Sawyer to get the guns.
11. Jack pulled away from Kate complaining about his shoulder when he came out of the cave.
12. Jack was angry at her when she was taken by the others.
13. Jack told her she was damaged goods and that's why the other's didn't want her.
14. I'm sure there are a bunch more but that's all I can think of at this time.


Defense
1. The others pushed Kate right into Sawyer's arms.
2. Sawyer said he loved Kate (yes, this is still open for discussion as he did use the pronoun "her" but given responses from TPTB we have to assume he meant Kate).
3. Sawyer basically told Zeke after what he'd done to Kate that his days were numbered.
4. Kate stayed with Sawyer 24/7 while he was sick.
5. Kate took care of him while he was sick.
6. Sawyer would only take the medicine for Kate, he refused to take it for Jack.
7. Sawyer did tell Jack that he had sex with Ana.
8. Sawyer did con jack and Locke out of the guns.
9. The kiss ('nuff said)
10. Kate stayed with Sawyer after his knife wound.
11. Kate said, "I never got to say to goodbye." when she was talking to Sun.
12. Kae confessed her feeling for Sawyer when he was sick.
13. Kate walked him through the hatch.
14. Kate cut his hair
15. Kate worked with him on physical therapy.
16. Sawyer held Kate and let her cry.
17. I'm sure there are more but this is all I can remember.

Okay so now that the evidence has been listed, please feel free to add your own and explain your own examples. Remember nothing is real with out evidence. This is the evidence and it is undisputed.

Any thoughts?

Huggs,
Lisa

Good evening my dear OutKaSters...

It's so great to see everyone so excited about impending events. My goodness such wonderful posting and I agree completely with what our own A2M said about how Jack knows that Sawyer loves Kate and he knows about Sawyer and Ana. That cannot help but have an effect. The question is what will the effect be.

Now personally I see absolutely no possible or plausible way (and I'm spoilering just to make sure I don't get in trouble), Kate could chose Jack. Let's look at this situation purely from evidenciary support. Let's assume for the moment that this was a courtroom and this was a case. We have the prosecution (Jate) on one side and the defense (Skate) on the other. A verdict is based solely on a decision supported by evidence. Nothing is real with our evidence and examples to back it up. Now I am not say that there is no connection between Jack and Kate and I certainly won't deny that there are feelings there. But we must prove beyond the shadow of a doubt to a moral certainty that what we have is what we think we have, and so must the prosecutor. So if all evidence is equal, the case would obviously go to a jury and the jury would have to decide who ultimately has the strongest case.

So let's argue this "case" based on the evidence we know to be true at this time. Let's leave out Season 3 since it hasn't happened and as much as we believe wholely and completely that what we've seen is absolutely going to happen, we still don't know for sure until those episodes air.

Okay so let's list the prosecutor's merits and the defense's merits.

Presecutor (and I'm starting here because in criminal cases the prosecution opens first)
1. Kate sewed up Jack's back after the crash.
2. Jack got buried in the cave in and Kate helped dig him out and hugged him.
3. Jack saved Sawyer's life after the knife wound.
4. Something about Guava seeds that I don't even remember.
5. Jack came to get Kate to help him find Michael.
6. Jack saved Sawyer's life again after he was shot.
7. Jack threatened to withhold his medication if Sawyer didn't give him the case.
8, Jack made Kate cry over the toy plane.
9. Kate lied to him about the key.
10. Jack used Kate to follow Sawyer to get the guns.
11. Jack pulled away from Kate complaining about his shoulder when he came out of the cave.
12. Jack was angry at her when she was taken by the others.
13. Jack told her she was damaged goods and that's why the other's didn't want her.
14. I'm sure there are a bunch more but that's all I can think of at this time.


Defense
1. The others pushed Kate right into Sawyer's arms.
2. Sawyer said he loved Kate (yes, this is still open for discussion as he did use the pronoun "her" but given responses from TPTB we have to assume he meant Kate).
3. Sawyer basically told Zeke after what he'd done to Kate that his days were numbered.
4. Kate stayed with Sawyer 24/7 while he was sick.
5. Kate took care of him while he was sick.
6. Sawyer would only take the medicine for Kate, he refused to take it for Jack.
7. Sawyer did tell Jack that he had sex with Ana.
8. Sawyer did con jack and Locke out of the guns.
9. The kiss ('nuff said)
10. Kate stayed with Sawyer after his knife wound.
11. Kate said, "I never got to say to goodbye." when she was talking to Sun.
12. Kae confessed her feeling for Sawyer when he was sick.
13. Kate walked him through the hatch.
14. Kate cut his hair
15. Kate worked with him on physical therapy.
16. Sawyer held Kate and let her cry.
17. I'm sure there are more but this is all I can remember.

Okay so now that the evidence has been listed, please feel free to add your own and explain your own examples. Remember nothing is real with out evidence. This is the evidence and it is undisputed.

Any thoughts?

Huggs,
Lisa

:cheerleader: Bravo Lisa! I just want to add a couple of comments (evidence):

Let not forget two occasions when Jack stepped back and Sawyer stepped up.

When Kate was taken by the Others, Jack was less concerned about her well being than angry at her for costing him his precious guns. Sawyer was focused on getting her back and it was his arms she ended up in.

When the killings happened in the hatch, Jack was so self-absorbed that he failed to even notice Kate’s distress, Sawyer (who at the time thought she had been “caught in the net with Jack) was there for her, and once again she was in his arms.

I think these two scenes are key!

I would also add that Jack ordered Kate to spy on Sawyer, I don’t remember Sawyer EVER asking (or ordering) her to do anything like that.

Dang Ann, you just had to go all "Law and Order: Criminal Intent, SVU, Crime and Punishment, Divorce, Moral Peoples Court" on us, didn't you? :laughing:


You know, in Jack's defense, I have to cut the brotha' some slack in '?' after Libby died. He stood there and watched a woman struggle as she took her last breath, not to mention Hurley's grief. Regardless of how touching the moment was in Sawyer putting aside his jealousies, and heart-break by coming to comfort Kate as she brokedown in tears, Jack not being there to comfort her instead...pretty understandable.

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The point I've always stood behind. It of course has got to be the white knight and the damsel in distress. Well, ya know, in King Arthur, he didn't get the girl and the "bad" Lancelot did. He didn't follow constraints, rules or his king. He followed his heart. It beats in everyone even Sawyer. To say he can't love or be loved is wrong. His heart is the same as Jacks, he can show love and give it just as any other person can. Just because what happened to him and what he has done in his life up to this point does not make him unworthy or any less of a human being that wants, needs that kind of connection.

:thumb_up: Car88win: Just dropped in to say that this is the first time I have seen this classic come up in relation to Skate and it's pretty on target and I loved what you had to say about Sawyer....he does want and need that connection and it is something he has never had.

Darbi posted this on the FF, but is having trouble bringing it over so:




And on top of this I found a fabulous post by Duffy in the Spoiler section which brings up some great intelligent points as well:




Fantastic post Darbi - very well thought out & explained and I totally agree with all you said (surprise, surprise :biggrin:) Great post from Duffy too.

IMO:

Kate's choice will END the triangle! I think TPTB are as tired of this monster they created as we are. They will resolve it and move on, creating new relationships and potentially new triangles...but this one will have run its course. There are a lot of other issues they have said they want to focus on in S3 and many other characters who's stories need to be further developed...and there are several new characters to introduce. This is an ensemble cast with terrific actors and a huge storyline. The triangle arc has already spanned more than two seasons....time to move on.

I do hope you're right Losttv - hopefully Kate will end the 'triangle' as we've seen it. It does make sense to move on to the plenty of other important things that TPTB have to tell yet in their storyline. On top of this, if Kate chooses Sawyer, that alone will provide plenty of interesting scenarios in itself & a lot for the PTB to work with.... IMO of course ;)


Absence makes the triangle fizzle faster, yeah?

Very good STH :laugh:


Okay so let's list the prosecutor's merits and the defense's merits.

Presecutor (and I'm starting here because in criminal cases the prosecution opens first)
1. Kate sewed up Jack's back after the crash.
2. Jack got buried in the cave in and Kate helped dig him out and hugged him.
3. Jack saved Sawyer's life after the knife wound.
4. Something about Guava seeds that I don't even remember.
5. Jack came to get Kate to help him find Michael.
6. Jack saved Sawyer's life again after he was shot.
7. Jack threatened to withhold his medication if Sawyer didn't give him the case.
8, Jack made Kate cry over the toy plane.
9. Kate lied to him about the key.
10. Jack used Kate to follow Sawyer to get the guns.
11. Jack pulled away from Kate complaining about his shoulder when he came out of the cave.
12. Jack was angry at her when she was taken by the others.
13. Jack told her she was damaged goods and that's why the other's didn't want her.
14. Jack and Kate were caught in that net and nothing came of it other than freeing themselves as quickly as possible.
15. Kate kissed Jack & ran away straight after it ('nuff said too)
16. I'm sure there are a bunch more but that's all I can think of at this time.


Defense
1. The others pushed Kate right into Sawyer's arms.
2. Sawyer said he loved Kate (yes, this is still open for discussion as he did use the pronoun "her" but given responses from TPTB we have to assume he meant Kate).
3. Sawyer basically told Zeke after what he'd done to Kate that his days were numbered.
4. Kate stayed with Sawyer 24/7 while he was sick.
5. Kate took care of him while he was sick.
6. Sawyer would only take the medicine for Kate, he refused to take it for Jack.
7. Sawyer did tell Jack that he had sex with Ana.
8. Sawyer did con jack and Locke out of the guns.
9. The kiss ('nuff said)
10. Kate stayed with Sawyer after his knife wound.
11. Kate said, "I never got to say to goodbye." when she was talking to Sun.
12. Kae confessed her feeling for Sawyer when he was sick.
13. Kate walked him through the hatch.
14. Kate cut his hair
15. Kate worked with him on physical therapy.
16. Sawyer held Kate and let her cry.
17. Kate going after Sawyer when he went after the boar just because she 'wanted to spend time with the only person on the island that just don't belong' (I Never game)
18. Sawyer threatening Zeke "if you touched a hair on her head.." when Kate was captured by the Others
19. Kate asking Sawyer to help her when she spotted the Others and Sawyer agreeing.
20. I'm sure there are more but this is all I can remember.

Okay so now that the evidence has been listed, please feel free to add your own and explain your own examples. Remember nothing is real with out evidence. This is the evidence and it is undisputed.

Any thoughts?

Huggs,
Lisa

OK, this is good Lisa - I posted my additions to your list above - am trying to stick to facts here too and not assumptions - just like in a court of law right?

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The point I've always stood behind. It of course has got to be the white knight and the damsel in distress. Well, ya know, in King Arthur, he didn't get the girl and the "bad" Lancelot did. He didn't follow constraints, rules or his king. He followed his heart. It beats in everyone even Sawyer. To say he can't love or be loved is wrong. His heart is the same as Jacks, he can show love and give it just as any other person can. Just because what happened to him and what he has done in his life up to this point does not make him unworthy or any less of a human being that wants, needs that kind of connection.

Bravo!!!


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Well said STH, and I think that is exactly what is going to happen. There is obviously a "reason" the Others have taken these three, some psychological game playing perhaps? They choose the three people involved in the triangle, that doesn't appear random, it appears very deliberate! Are they exploring relationships, testing how far these characters will go for "love", attempting to turn them against one another?? The questions are endless.....and October 4th is still too far off!

As for Kate, IMO the posts here about her have hit the nail on the head! Kate is no fairytale princess, she is tough, damaged, feisty, selfish, and has made awful choices. She is also generous, caring, flawed, confused and terribly hurt. She's a real human being who has a chance on the Island to examine her life, make better choices and maybe, just maybe find real love. She doesn't need to be made to feel "unworthy" or like "damaged goods", she needs the support of someone who understands how she got where she is and can stand beside her as she makes the journey she needs to take in order to heal herself. Someone who can love all of her, the black, the white and shades of gray that blend together and create such fascinating and complex woman. I think Leah Kate was the one who said "Kate needs a partner, not a coach".

I've been thinking alot about

the context of the kiss in the promo. Based on what we've seen and heard in spoilers, you would assume that it occurs after they have escaped, so for arguements sake I wou;ld say this is probablly from episode 3 at the earliest if not episode 4 (as im not sure how many episodes they have filmed yet). It appears they are both running through the jungle and on a spur of the moment thing sawyer grabs her a kisses her. They both seem dirty, kate's hair is in her no nonsense bun, rather than hanging loose and pretty as we have seen in it the promo, and both appear to be wearing the same clothes.

I agree with what quite a lot of people have been saying that this isn't the moment kate decide's. I tghink this kiss is either because they are in dier danger and sawyer just grabs her on a impulse and kisses her because he's worried they mayt get captured and separated again, or maybe this comes after she has already chsen him. Maybe whilst they are in captivity together (and hopefully after many lovely skatey scenes) she admits she loves him etc, and then they escape and he just grabs her and kisses her because they have now admitted their feelings for each other and he can do it freely etc.

I was also thinking of this heart wrenching aspect of it, and I don't see why it necessarily has to be kate admitting her love for saaywre to jack or vise vera. Would it not be a heart wrenching scene if kate admitted her feelings for sawyer then he tells her he doesn't deserve her and isn't worthy of her love, she tells him he shouldn't put himself down, and that she is as bad as him, and he is all like, no you dont understand I had sex with ana just before she died. Kate is all shocked, sawyer is devistated because he thinks hes ruined everything. Then the others come and separate them, leaving sawyer thinking he's lost kate forever but in a final attempt he calls out that he loves her after her, then when we see them together again she asks him to explain his actions and he tells her he thought she would never want him over jack and thought she had already chsen him etc and then kate will forgive him because its not like she wasxnt carrying on with the two of them.

I don't see why jack has to be involved at all if it was sawyer she was fgoing to choose!

Anyway that's enough speculation for one post anyway!

You all have my opinions down to a tee.. I could never understand what arguments are plausible to make Jate work. I've always noticed that while Kate might have an attraction to Jack, it seemed as if there was a lot of frustration towards him on her part, and even a tiny bit of resentment for his patronising manner towards her.. while Sawyer has always ever gave her the benefit of the doubt.. and Skate has better chemistry..

On with the fireworks! (God I love Skate :biggrin: )


*sigh* everyone seems to say it better than I can, and it's depressing when you're a writer! (well, in passion only, not career!) buuuuut, i blame it on the mommy brain:3: :35:

Is it October 4th yet???

Sorry to change horses in mid gallop, but, has anyone else realized that the Sawyer's character has only had four, five (kind of) different (somewhat lengthy) scenes where he hasn't had to deliver a one-liner or use a witty nickname?

'CM'...confession about the letter.
'Outlaws'...'I Never' (kind of)
'Exodus'...Chat with Jack about Christian
'TLC'...New sheriff in town speech.
'Three Minutes'...confession to Jack about Ana Lucia



I'm hoping the writers reason for this is meant as a compliment meant to Josh's acting ability in delivering his lines so fluridly, and in a way that they don't just come off as him spewing one-liners.


Random/

Bravo!!!


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Everyone has been just putting their thoughts together beautifully. I applaud you all.

What about in Tabula Rasa? His exchanges with Kate regarding offing the Marshall and then argument with Jack would seem to be more serious and less of oneliner territory ;).

Since some people seem to have forgotten it again...

The following things are still spoilers:


Kate makes a choice
there will be new characters
Henry Ian Cusick and Michael Emerson are regulars now


So guess what you have to do when you mention those things? Yes, exactly, USE SPOILER FONT!

guys, seriously...we have less than two weeks to go. can you NOT be posting spoilers out in the open? come on. i really do not want to start handing out points. it is NOT funny how much work the mods have been having to do to cover up YOUR mistakes. talking about "new cast members" and anything that is rumored to be happening in S3 is A SPOILER. how much more do we need to tell you about this? :wallbash:

from now on...i am not kidding this time. your post gets reported for HAVING UNFONTED SPOILERS i WILL HAND OUT POINTS. P E R I O D.

so be careful. very careful and USE THE PREVIEW b/c i will not be swayed by the "ooops i must have missed that" excuses.

that is all.

I know this was probably already brought up, but just one more thing to add to the 'court case'... on their way to the Others, Kate approached Sawyer about shooting the Others that were following them, not Jack. He walked right past her before she said anything. I think that says a lot

What about in Tabula Rasa? His exchanges with Kate regarding offing the Marshall and then argument with Jack would seem to be more serious and less of oneliner territory ;).

Oh, snap...how could I forget about that one? Okay...six scenes. :)

Darbi, do this Skater a favor and don't say snap.....LOL, I can't take it. :rotflmao2:

Really, it's just an inside joke, I had to say it. :rolleyes:

Lisa? Hello? Next chapter? :down:

Darbi, do this Skater a favor and don't say snap.....LOL, I can't take it. :rotflmao2:

Really, it's just an inside joke, I had to say it. :rolleyes:

Okay, now you've piqued my interest. What's the joke, Snappy? :laughing:

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The point I've always stood behind. It of course has got to be the white knight and the damsel in distress. Well, ya know, in King Arthur, he didn't get the girl and the "bad" Lancelot did. He didn't follow constraints, rules or his king. He followed his heart. It beats in everyone even Sawyer. To say he can't love or be loved is wrong. His heart is the same as Jacks, he can show love and give it just as any other person can. Just because what happened to him and what he has done in his life up to this point does not make him unworthy or any less of a human being that wants, needs that kind of connection.

i love that analogy... very nice..


Sorry to change horses in mid gallop, but, has anyone else realized that the Sawyer's character has only had four, five (kind of) different (somewhat lengthy) scenes where he hasn't had to deliver a one-liner or use a witty nickname?

'CM'...confession about the letter.
'Outlaws'...'I Never' (kind of)
'Exodus'...Chat with Jack about Christian
'TLC'...New sheriff in town speech.
'Three Minutes'...confession to Jack about Ana Lucia



I'm hoping the writers reason for this is meant as a compliment meant to Josh's acting ability in delivering his lines so fluridly, and in a way that they don't just come off as him spewing one-liners.


Random/
interesting about that. I think that shows that he's not JUST about delivering snappy one-liners but that he is also serious when needs be and shows his dramatci depth which is considerabe. I love the fact that he is capable of being sarcastic and funny but also very dramatic and tragic. I've never seen a character that could make me laugh one second and then cry the next. That takes considerable skill to be able to do both, many times in the same epi. Sawyer is about as fleshed out a character in i've seen. The showing of the comedy and tragedy masks, of the yin and yang, light and darkness in great balance to one another. It's all shown so very well.

as for...

all the hoopla surrounding this 2 second clip reminds me alot of the chaos around the Sana 'incident' only the ships positions were reversed. It's really insane how bad it's gottne really.

as far as the 'forced' aspect, Luanne posted a scene from the movie 'The Notebook' in which the character Noah grabs the girl Allie and kisses her the exact same way. I've seen numerous scenes like that in movies and TV shows and none of them were called forced in any way.. and someone said earlier today, and forgive me for not remembering who, there were so many posts that they made my head spin.. or maybe that's just the Bailey's i drank at the wedding today.. who knows? :redface: But anyways they said that they were glad that Sawyer was taking an iniative considering Kate was the one who was the iniator of both her original kisses in a sense. Sawyer expressing his feelings directly to her via action rather than words is exactly what i would like to see, regardless of how this turns out.. get it out on the table in a sense..


wow i 've got a headache now...

Good evening outKaSts! I just wanted to drop this video by from our good people over at LVI (http://www.lostvideo.net/). I figured, given all the recent excitment, this video
is extremly appropriate :) and
shows how Jack really has just been a 'boy of summer' for Kate and she's ready to get back to her real man. Seriously, everyone really needs to check this video out. It is extremly well done and is one of the best SKate videos I've seen so far.

Boys of Summer (http://www.wasted-love.com/mvcollection/Videos/boysofsummer.wmv) by Polarbear (http://www.lostvideo.net/vidderprofile.php?vidder=Polarbear). Video courtesy of Lost Video Island (http://lostvideo.net/)

10 MORE DAYS!!! :Jumpy: :cheers:

As far as Skate vids go, I do like this one.. the transitions are a bit choppy but overall very good!

Morning fellow outkasters!

Another reason I was thinking about regarding kate's choice was the fact that around sawyer she has fun! Sure they hyave their angsty moments, of course they do, its skate, but she is always joking/flirting/messing around with him. I genuinely think that no other character let alone jack makes her smile so fully and so real and genuine as kate smiles when she is around sawyer.

I don't see this same sense of fun in kate around jack, and again this is one of the reasons I prefer skate. To do jate justice I think I can think of 2 instances where they have appeared to be messing around and have fun, and I think the only 2 moments of jate that I liked, the clip when they first get the food from the hatch where jack and kate are eating and laughing together at the end, and the dialogue leading up to them playing the game of golf just before they see sawyer half dead with a bullet hole in his shoulder.

I don't think fun and messing around is soething kate has been able to do for a long time, and I know if I was her, picking a partner that I can have this with would be pretty high up on my list!

And as for lisa's skate evidence, I have to say that I think the ultimate skate moment for me was in the finale when she lets jack walk by and asks sawyer to go in on her little turning the guns on the other's scheme. To me that shows her trust of sawyer despite everything and she knows that she can rely on him and that he trusts her. Just pure skate brilliance!

Okay, now you've piqued my interest. What's the joke, Snappy? :laughing:

You'd have to join us on the LLL for me to tell you dun dun dun. Like my version of drama? :biggrin: I'll PM you. ;)

Yes, Kate does relax and have FUN around Sawyer! IMO, that's no small thing.

Sorry I haven't been by for a bit. I was offline for a week due to RL issues and have just come back in time to enjoy all the squeeing over the kiss!

Yesterday, we were talking on LF about how Skate could reach a 'consomation' in only six episodes. Zoriah was kind enough to suggest I post my take on it here. What do you think?

They gave the original Jack/Kate story away - i.e. the "opposites attract/two people who would never meet and be attracted to each other in normal life" story. They gave that story away to Sayid and Shannon. I think THAT was the start of the Jate death knell right there, only we didn't see it at the time. For the rest of the season, Kate TRIED valiantly to resist Sawyer and stay focused on Jack, but she kept being drawn back to Sawyer, in spite of herself.

When he was injured, and so very ill, her defences fell - she was tender with him, wouldn't leave him for 24 hours straight, and if that's not devotion, I don't know what is. Her feelings for him were strong enough to precipitate a full-blown psychological crisis fergawdsake! Yes, she kissed Jack, out of sheer desperation to find some sanity, to go with what her head tells her is the better man. She cares about Jack, but it's not strong enough to restore her sense of balance. In the end, she's right back at Sawyer's bedside, trying to free herself from him because she can't accept herself having feelings for someone who reminds her of Wayne. And THAT is more than understandable. However, right in the middle of her rambling on at Wayne, Sawyer wakes up... and all her pain goes away, and he's just... Sawyer, asking her who the hell is Wayne, and looking to her for explanations about whether they've been "saved". That was a beautiful moment, and I loved her meta-answer. "Not yet, Sawyer." "Not yet" implies the possibility that they might be saved someday, it contains hope for both of them. Walking through the hatch and sitting outside together afterward, she was more relaxed with him than I've ever seen her, and they were both enjoying being together again, something neither of them expected. That lingering little hand-holding was sweet and showed how much they appreciated just being able to be with each other again.

After that,we had the Skate honeymoon, with Kate giggling over the haircut and helping him with his physio. Considering how many people there are on the island, it's telling that she keeps finding herself back with Sawyer... reading a magazine and hanging out. Even after TLC, even when she's telling herself he's hopeless, that he just doesn't want to change or be a better person, she's STILL hanging out playing cards with him because she just can't resist... she NEEDS to be around him. She's in total denial about the reasons, of course, but she keeps succumbing to the Sawyer-gravitational force all the same.

After TLC, she put her emotional walls back up against him, went back to flirting with Jack and fostering THAT relationship instead, but I think everything began to change for her again after they found Ana and Libby. Sawyer was helpful and cooperative about getting the heroin, and then we had the hug, with Sawyer asking nothing of her, just wanting to give her comfort. I think that gave her something new to think about. I think he surprised her with his tenderness, and the way she watched his quiet and somber demeanor at the graveside afterward, it was like she was trying to understand this new side to him, to fit it in with what she already knew. Then Sawyer was quiet and cooperative in planning the mission to rescue Walt, and there was even a little flirting over the whole "caught in a net" misunderstanding. She let Jack walk by and counted on Sawyer to back her play against the Others who were followiing them, simply because she knew she could. She has self-confidence in her relationship with Sawyer. She doesn't have that with Jack, she's always uncertain, which is probably why she didn't tell him her plan. He'd just argue and question her instincts. Sawyer would just plain have her back, and leave any questions for later.

Now they're all in captivity. If you were Kate, which one's fate would you be more worried about, after your own? The guy who has a reasonable attitude and medical skills that might be valuable to their captors, or the guy with no obvious value and a rebellious attitude that would make a saint want to kill him, on a GOOD day? She's going to be worried about all of them, but frantic over Sawyer opening his big mouth at the wrong time to the wrong person, IMO. Being imprisoned and in handcuffs is going to tear down all her defences again, leaving her raw and desperate. In that state of mind, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she reveals her feelings for Sawyer. She'll care intensely about Jack too, of course, but I think that worrying about Sawyer is going to take her recognition of her feelings for him to a whole new level. That's why I think it's more than possible for them to start a real relationship in just six episodes from where they left off. Sawyer will be equally frantic worrying about her, and once they have revealed their feelings for each other, it will simply be impossible to go back, even though they both might want to. I think the idea of them being together is something that will terrify both of them, that neither will feel ready for, that both will try, at times, to sabotage. However, once they are together, I think the reality of trying to be apart again will be just unthinkable, so they'll end up back together again. Sawyer will have no choice but to try to measure up, with all the uncertainties that brings for him. Kate will have to try to stop running. There are huge challenges ahead for both, but I do think it will be compelling to watch.

Honestly, if they go with the paternalistic Jack/Kate when they have this exciting option on their plate, I would be immensely disapponted.

I might add that someone made an excellent comparison last night on TWoP between Skate and Doug/Carol on ER. There's another case where a womanizing bad boy had to step up and straighten out his act in order to be with the woman he loved. They finally got together in S4, and the writers managed to make it anything but boring. In fact, I suspect that they are still THE couple of that show, even after all these years. There are plenty of ways to write Skate as a passionate, interesting, complicated, even conflicted relationship and still keep it interesting, IMO.

Dezdemona (I love your name btw) - I compleately agree with everything you said, great post!

I think your right and kate if course is going to worry about both men, but she will be more worried about sawyer because she knows better than anyone about his tendancy to deliberately provoke people into hurting him, and the fact he can never keep his mouth shut!

I think thatnit is perfectly plausible for kate to make a choice, and a definitive choice as well. She needs the kind of push that being captured by the others will give her to finally accept her feelings for sawyer and sort out where he feelings for jack lie, to try and get passed the hero worship and father figure and realise that as far as romantic and sexual feelings, there arn't any there. At least not like they are with sawyer.

Another thing that makes me really optimistic for skate is the fact that it seems the writers are heading towards the "hero has dark secrets" angle, and personally I think this would make a alot of sense based on jack's actions towards the end of season 2, where i truly believe he is beginning to loose it slightly, which is hardly suprising consiodering the amount of stress he puts himself under. I think that showing jack turn into a much darker character would be a truly intriguing path for the writers to go down, and many things seem to point that this is the way they are going to go with his character.

I think the writers are tierd of the love triangle and have always said the writing team themselves are conflicted with who she should choose, I think they decided the jack storyline before they would decide the love triangle because as much as internet shippers like to talk and analyse it, its not a huge part of the show to most people. I can just imagine the writers being like, we'll do this with jack, then as a result we'll pair kate with sawyer, for the moment at least and see how it all plays out. I don't think the love triangle was something that has been constantly planned, I think they have changed and adapted it constantly, and made both pairing make sense with what we have seen. All they are left to do is pick one or the other, and lets face it, making sawyers character even darker etc making him stay with the others wouldn't exactly make much sense would it.

Plus like people have said, the general public who watch the show, not just the shippers or even the internet fans would probablyl consider kate and sawyer the "hotter" couple, mainly because their relationship has constantly oozed sexual tension, which is always watchable.

I am feeling more and more optimistic, and I try and ignore the flash of nerves that I feel in the pit of my stomach when I think of the possibility of jate lol!

Dezdamona, that is a beautiful name, btw. I already commented on your post over on LF yesterday, but it bares stating again how well stated, and spot on it is. ;)

Here is another promo that ran on ABC last night:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_tX8-wmGXM

It’s is a briefer version than the one from last week and a bit different, but in it you can see the whole gang is going to show up and try to rescue Jack, Kate and Sawyer...it's about time our Losties banded together, acted as a group and got some "payback"! You can clearly see Locke and Charlie, looks like they are where Sawyer is being held and notice that Sawyer is loose and making tracks! The shot of Sayid indicates at least a two prong attack on the Others (we have already seen Jin and Sun are involved, they may be with Sayid).



OMG, bring on October 4th.

Thanks Darbi for the advice - gonna spoiler-font the whole lot just in case...

She's in total denial about the reasons, of course, but she keeps succumbing to the Sawyer-gravitational force all the same.
:laugh: What a perfect way of describing it Dezdemona!
Loved your post - and I do think that if Kate is gonna worry about one guy more it would have to be Sawyer - she knows he'd say or do anything when he's mad with his captors & not care about the consequences when it comes to himself - maybe this will be exactly what's required to make her realise her true feelings & lead to her making a 'choice' between the two - oooh, I just can't wait for October 4th!



I might add that someone made an excellent comparison last night on TWoP between Skate and Doug/Carol on ER. There's another case where a womanizing bad boy had to step up and straighten out his act in order to be with the woman he loved. They finally got together in S4, and the writers managed to make it anything but boring. In fact, I suspect that they are still THE couple of that show, even after all these years. There are plenty of ways to write Skate as a passionate, interesting, complicated, even conflicted relationship and still keep it interesting, IMO.

That is an excellent comparison - and the Doug/Carol relationship was great to watch when they finally got together too - an example of how it's very possible to keep the momentum going when 2 characters become a couple on a show & not lose any of the initial reasons for wanting them to become an item i.e. they suit each other so much they can't be anything but interesting to watch :love:

I don't know if this makes any sense or not but personally I've always felt that Ana Lucia was meant to be Jack's love interest, had she not get written off. I saw her as someone Jack could be with and relate to, as far as "one authority figure to another" type deal goes. I'm really not at all sure why she's no longer on the show, but I was told she got written off entirely (hence her death). I think that as far as season 2 goes, there was Jana potential there. Do you remember when Jack and Kate went into the jungle together and Ana Lucia made the comment something along the lines of "dont get pissy with me because jack took your girlfriend out somewhere" I think that by her saying that, it might have also been a viewpoint of many of the survivors, that Skate were an item, or something very close to it. wishful thinking, I suppose...

dont really think thats a spoiler, but just in case.

midnight, you should probably spoiler tag your post just in case, hon. :)

I just want the triangle to END! Pick someone, Kate. Get it over with and let's get on with other stuff. It's not like the most important thing these folks have to do on the island is hook up with somone.

And with all the warnings about spoiler font, I'm a bit concerned, but I don't think this requires a spoiler. Hope not.

I just want the triangle to END! Pick someone, Kate. Get it over with and let's get on with other stuff. It's not like the most important thing these folks have to do on the island is hook up with somone.

And with all the warnings about spoiler font, I'm a bit concerned, but I don't think this requires a spoiler. Hope not.

you have NO IDEA how sick i am of the triangle. no really :24: i agree with your comments. ;)

I wonder why?!

you have NO IDEA how sick i am of the triangle. no really :24: i agree with your comments. ;)

You have my sympathy. At least we have the choice to stay in our own ship and the jaters in theirs - but you have to read everything! I'll bet there are times when it can be pretty exasperating.

I don't know if this makes any sense or not but personally I've always felt that Ana Lucia was meant to be Jack's love interest, had she not get written off. I saw her as someone Jack could be with and relate to, as far as "one authority figure to another" type deal goes. I'm really not at all sure why she's no longer on the show, but I was told she got written off entirely (hence her death). I think that as far as season 2 goes, there was Jana potential there. Do you remember when Jack and Kate went into the jungle together and Ana Lucia made the comment something along the lines of "dont get pissy with me because jack took your girlfriend out somewhere" I think that by her saying that, it might have also been a viewpoint of many of the survivors, that Skate were an item, or something very close to it. wishful thinking, I suppose...

dont really think thats a spoiler, but just in case.

Let's just spoiler font everything until Kate makes her choice, shall we? ;)
You could tell from their interaction at the bar that there was some flirting going on btwn Jack and Ana, and I don't know if that was officially the writers' intention, and then they wrote her off **MOD edited ** And even though I would bet my paycheck on Kate choosing Sawyer - especially because of the kiss in the promo and how intense it seemed - I am nervous, a tiny bit nervous about Jate happening, instead. But I think we've all concluded that, Juliet or not, Kate would be better off with Sawyer, not Jack.

But for heaven's sake, no more triangle! And Dez, your posts always seem to merit a repeated "Well said." I used to be eloquent, too. And then I had a baby. :35:
10 days, 5 hours, people! :biggrin:

Evening Outkasters!

Looks like everyone has caught a case of the "let's move on-itus" bug. I couldn't agree more. It's time for Kate to make a choice, and for the love of Pete, let that decision stay.

I was just reading a comment over on TWoP about the triangle, and the poster made the statement that part of the reason they couldn't get into the J/K/S triangle was one...they didn't think of Evi as being a very good actress, and she took up far too much time than her acting talents deserved. That's arguable, but I had to agree that with the disproportionate number of females on the cast, it would be nice to see more of Yunjin and Emilie De Ravin applying their craft. They're stellar actresses, and deserve quality screen time as well.

Primarily, the posters issues with the love triangle comes from the fact that they feel D & C (they call them Demon & Curse. It shouldn't be funny, but it is. :laughing: ) will only drag this handicaped storyline out in some capacity or another until the series end. :rolleyes:

Say what you like about the people on TWoP, over-the-top, brutal, snarky for the sake of snark...you never have to guess exactly how they feel about a particular show. They'll give praise where it's warranted, but rip the writers, actors/actresses and storyline a new hole whether it's necessary or not. Sadly, in some cases in regards to 'Lost' this past season...it's been more than warranted.

Hopefully, once the episodes start back up again in February (?) the notion of whether Kate will be flip flopping back and forth again won't be given a second thought.

I wonder why?!
:24: is it that obvious? yeah just want it over ASAP

You have my sympathy. At least we have the choice to stay in our own ship and the jaters in theirs - but you have to read everything! I'll bet there are times when it can be pretty exasperating.
yeah i do read a lot, but i personally am tired of the snipping between the ships. that has calmed down a lot for which i thank both ships for trying to play nice. there are some good people in all the ships on this site. it is just the few that make it not fun. ;)
Let's just spoiler font everything until Kate makes her choice, shall we? ;)
You could tell from their interaction at the bar that there was some flirting going on btwn Jack and Ana, and I don't know if that was officially the writers' intention, and then they wrote her off **MOD edited ** And even though I would bet my paycheck on Kate choosing Sawyer - especially because of the kiss in the promo and how intense it seemed - I am nervous, a tiny bit nervous about Jate happening, instead. But I think we've all concluded that, Juliet or not, Kate would be better off with Sawyer, not Jack.

But for heaven's sake, no more triangle! And Dez, your posts always seem to merit a repeated "Well said." I used to be eloquent, too. And then I had a baby. :35:
10 days, 5 hours, people! :biggrin:
um, you are new. discussing VIPs private life and/or speculation on the hiring/firing practices for LOST are against site rules. i have edited your post.

Remember in "CM," just before they kissed, James' face was just CRYING out in need of this kiss. Then, as it happened, they found they couldn't just end it. . .they kept it going and going. As it ended, they were both amazed at the power of their feelings.

I have the feeling that
we're about to see that again, in this Season 3 kiss. He's pulling him to her, needing her, and she's not resisting, needing him. And they just keep it going and going
. . .and this time, I think they're gonna realize WHY. As such, this coming scene is the perfect parallel AND conclusion to the first kiss scene!

If I'm right, the LOST writers are BRILLIANT. If I'm wrong, well. . .the LOST writers are still terrific! :biggrin:




WHERE ARE YOU, LISA?! :crybaby:

Evening Outkasters!

Looks like everyone has caught a case of the "let's move on-itus" bug. I couldn't agree more. It's time for Kate to make a choice, and for the love of Pete, let that decision stay.

I was just reading a comment over on TWoP about the triangle, and the poster made the statement that part of the reason they couldn't get into the J/K/S triangle was one...they didn't think of Evi as being a very good actress, and she took up far too much time than her acting talents deserved. That's arguable, but I had to agree that with the disproportionate number of females on the cast, it would be nice to see more of Yunjin and Emilie De Ravin applying their craft. They're stellar actresses, and deserve quality screen time as well.

Primarily, the posters issues with the love triangle comes from the fact that they feel D & C (they call them Demon & Curse. It shouldn't be funny, but it is. :laughing: ) will only drag this handicaped storyline out in some capacity or another until the series end. :rolleyes:

Say what you like about the people on TWoP, over-the-top, brutal, snarky for the sake of snark...you never have to guess exactly how they feel about a particular show. They'll give praise where it's warranted, but rip the writers, actors/actresses and storyline a new hole whether it's necessary or not. Sadly, in some cases in regards to 'Lost' this past season...it's been more than warranted.

Hopefully, once the episodes start back up again in February (?) the notion of whether Kate will be flip flopping back and forth again won't be given a second thought.

spoiler font just in case...


Ive been over and read TWOP and your right, they are snarky to tenth level but raise some very interesting points. I actually think Evi is a pretty good actress, it's just her story lately revolved aournd the guys for the most part and that can get annoying. I would like to see Yurjin and Emilie get more screen time myself, cause they are good but anyways..

I'm hoping when Kate chooses it's for good, either way.. i don't want her to make a decision and then start flp-flopping again. Like if she picks Sawyer, she's dosen't start up with the jealousy when she sees Jack with Juliet. Or having her running back to Jack if Sawyer hurts her, which he probbably will from time to time. She needs to make a choice and stick with it no matter how hard it might get for her sometimes. None of this flip flopping anymore.

And i was thinking of something in regards to things i've heard with regards to Kates feelings and getting hurt, but the biggest thing people lose sight of here is that Kate's not the one that's gonna get hurt in the triangle, she wins either way. It's the guys that are gonna get hurt here.

I was thinking about that kiss in the promo, the way he pulls her to him, and someone said it was desperate and maybe it was. But in the sense of maybe finally showing her how he feels. That's a tremendous risk for anyone, but esp for someone like him, with the obvious severe trust and intimacy issues that he has, and esp in the situation he's in with this. If he reveals any feeling for her to her, he takes a considerable risk that she could still choose Jack. The potential for rejection is very high.

I think it would be a terrible blow to his emotional growth to find that he took the chance on her and she didn't want him. I don't think that's the case though. I think she just might. And that's why i like the idea of him just layin it out there, and taking the risk. Cause she just might love him back..



oh and Dez absolutly brilliant post per usual. :biggrin:

Excellent thought Fricks!!

I see that happening too. I think it's important for Sawyer's growth and eventual (though still a long way off) redemption.

Another thing that losttvfan and I were talking about on the phone is that all this could still be a ploy by the other's to study how much a man and a woman love each other and how far each will go for the other one. I mean, we know they've been watching what went on in the hatch, who's to say they didn't know what was happening when Kate sat with Sawyer and nursed him when he was recovering. They've seen the way Sawyer held her, hell they pushed her right into his arms.

Who's to say this isn't the way they want it to be and are influencing the "study" of these two. The only thing they won't bargain on is what's going to happen when he gets her out and they're back at their own camp. This man will stop at nothing to get to her and keep her alive. For heaven's sake look what he did to get back to her.

I'm here, STH, I'm workin' on it hon.

Huggs,
Lisa

Thank you, Lisa! :hug:

What'd you think of my theory, in my last post?

Dezdemona, that post is just superb, as I said before. I totally agree on your assessment of Kate's dilemma.

Why is it that people often say Kate needs Jack to lift her up to his level? To challenge or inspire her to be good, or do good? She was already trying to do that without his influence. Her desire to be seen as a good person has been ongoing and independent of Jack. However, the sad part is that she has become caught up with the idea of taking a shortcut in terms of her self development and quest for the new improved Kate. Of gaining approval and salvation through gaining an obviously good/respected man's admiration and love - rather than taking the longer, harder road herself, on her own. Hopefully she is coming to realise that this is not a realistic expectation or tenable situation to strive for.

Onto more a more serious topic, and I hope no one is offended, but I am speaking from personal experience here, so...

I find it interesting that Skate's give and take relationship, their overt physicality and sexual banter has been linked to the controlling and abusive relationship Kate's mother may have had with her father Wayne. However, in my opinion that is an erroneous comparison.

Kate has always given as good as she got, (she even tackled him first if you recall when he was falsely accused of stealing water) and there has always been a sense of equality and mutuality to their interactions. Sawyer is not out to destroy Kate's self esteem nor increase her dependence on him. Quite the contrary. He seems more of an enabler, not trying to control her decisions, or what she does or thinks. He respects her opnions and doesn't hold her back from getting involved, or contributing to the more dangerous missions. He's not the one telling her what she can or can't do. He's not the one being overly possessive of her time or attention. If anything Jack's domineering behaviour in the latest season (although he did also do things in season one like argue with her over the dynamite and subsitute the packs), the way he makes her feel inadequate or not able measure up, the way he makes her run after him for crumbs of attention or forgiveness (however inadvertant on his part) is much closer to the way borderline co-dependent abusive relationships start. In my opinion and experience.

Now I am not saying that Jack is by any means destined to become a Wayne. Good lord no. However, I do see more signs in how disrespectfully he has treated Kate when being angry, over-protective and jealous, than I have with Sawyer's overtly sexual badinage and moments of physical confrontation. That man Jack, when feeling stressed and betrayed is a powder keg waiting to explode.

From what I understand, abusive/co-dependent relationships often start with emotional manipulation, then move to verbal put downs and belittlement and so forth, then finally escalates to physical violence. The end result being that the victim's self esteem is rock bottom and they feel they need to improve or appease the other in order to 'fix' the problem rather than standing up to the person and calling them on their behaviour. They are conned into thinking they are at fault and it's their behaviour which needs to change for things to run smoothly. Then of course you have the kinds of situations where the person is only abusive when drunk. But the being drunk is a symptom of deeper seated emotional problems, and a way to allow those insecurities/possessive tendencies/frustrations with their partner or life be unleashed.

I really don't see how this fits with the way the Sawyer/Kate relationship has developed or is developing at all. If anything, Sawyer is well aware he's a screw up, and is holding back from pursuing Kate fully because he does actually fear he will hurt Kate, and believes Jack may treat her better (though I think he's mistaken). But the poor boy is still hopelessly in love regardless (as Josh has revealed in that French magazine) and thus still wishes she would reciprocate and love him back. Even though he believes he doesn't really deserve it. ;)

Halfrek, you have my sympathies. It's only going to worse before it gets better especially after the triangle ends and whichever ship is disappointmented yowls like demented cats in heat.And the ship that prevails sends up fireworks and rocket ships.

wow Zoriah was good...

i think the reason that his does happen, esp with Sawyer in that comparison is really because of that physicality more than anything else. It can make some people uncomfortable in a sense. And some believe any contact that is not gentle is abuse and that simply isn't the case. Sawyer has not shown the signs of an abuser here. esp the ones you listed above. And i just think it's easy to throw Sawyer under that bus, cause he looks the part. But he's nothing like that, and nothing in his history indicates that he is. Can he be a violent person, yes of course. But i've never seen any sign of him directing it toward someone with the intent of stablishing any kind of control over them. Most of his violence is directed at specific targets, one of which, and the most frequent target unfortunatly, is himself.

I think the confusion rests on the fact that, superficially at least, Sawyer reminded Kate of Wayne. Certain mannerisms and attributes such as his occasional boorishness, and the fact that he wasn't always gentle. It's the reason she had to deal with her Wayne issues through Sawyer. That whole thing, as Dez pointed out on Just, was classic transferrance. But she is worried, legitimatly so, about repeating her mothers mistakes and choosing the man she loves, the so called bad-man and ending up like her mom. That' isn't the case here. Kate like Sawyer equates love with bad things and it's hard to get past that assumption. But i think she actually feels good around him for the most part, and just maybe she'll recognize that.

I agree Fricksgurl, and the lovely Perdue pointed out to me today that by loving and accepting Sawyer, Kate may just be finding a way to work through her issues with Wayne. Instead of running away from her baggage, she's looking it square in the eye and coming to terms with what she did, what Wayne was, and the fact that Sawyer is NOT Wayne at all. Talk about pulling down the veil. It would be about her realising that she's been projecting Wayne onto Sawyer (just as she admitted in WKD), and that this flawed, screwed up, passionate, all or nothing man is not her bad, drunk daddy. And Jack is neither a sweet tragic Tom, nor her disapproving stepdad who wouldn't save her because she had murder in her heart. As soon as she faces the reality of who these two men really are and how they've been relating to her, I think she will come to a better understanding of who is right for her at this time in her life.

I agree Fricksgurl, and the lovely Perdue pointed out to me today that by loving and accepting Sawyer, Kate may just be finding a way to work through her issues with Wayne. Instead of running away from her baggage, she's looking it square in the eye and coming to terms with what she did, what Wayne was, and the fact that Sawyer is NOT Wayne at all. Talk about pulling down the veil. It would be about her realising that she's been projecting Wayne onto Sawyer (just as she admitted in WKD), and that this flawed, screwed up, passionate, all or nothing man is not her bad, drunk daddy. And Jack is neither a sweet tragic Tom, nor her disapproving stepdad who wouldn't save her because she had murder in her heart. As soon as she faces the reality of who these two men really are and how they've been relating to her, I think she will come to a better understanding of who is right for her at this time in her life.

That was spot on.

We all know that Kate is going to "make a choice" this season. Obviously, there has to be more to it than that. We all know that Kate had become accustomed to just thinking about herself before the crash. She had to for survival. I think she truly belongs with Sawyer, for all the many reasons that are pointed out here. Her icy exterior really began to crack when she showed her compassion for Sawyer in WKD. It was something much deeper than the flirty interactions she had with Jack. WKD vocalized what we all were hoping and thinking, that they had feelings for one another. But I think one thing that's holding her back from succumbing to her feelings from Sawyer is that she is projecting Tom on Jack. Many comparisons to make between the two both doctors, "good" guys, etc. I don't think she is truly attracted to Jack as she is to Sawyer. But what I feel is going to happen is
If Jack at some point in S3 gains a new love interest, she is going to get very jealous. She knows Jack pines for her, even if she doesn't necessarily feel the same way. As anyone knows, it's flattering and self-empowering to know someone wants you. I just hope she doesn't leave her feelings for Sawyer on the back burner while she tries to earn back Jack's interest for herself. Like I said, she is selfish. Her selfishness is definitely improving, but it's still there.

Zoriah, I really hope Kate does what you say, realize who these two men really are. But can she?

You ladies are killing me here. I have absolutely nothing else to add. Just want to say, ITA. :)

Great discussion, ladies. Zoriah, I loved your post... much to think about.

Why is it that people often say Kate needs Jack to lift her up to his level? To challenge or inspire her to be good, or do good? She was already trying to do that without his influence. Her desire to be seen as a good person has been ongoing and independent of Jack. However, the sad part is that she has become caught up with the idea of taking a shortcut in terms of her self development and quest for the new improved Kate. Of gaining approval and salvation through gaining an obviously good/respected man's admiration and love - rather than taking the longer, harder road herself, on her own. Hopefully she is coming to realise that this is not a realistic expectation or tenable situation to strive for.

I think the root of Kate's problem with regard to Jack is that she is emotionally immature, still looking outside herself for validation, exactly the way a child looks to a parent for approval to know if they're on the right track. We've seen that time and again with Jack, and she's such a pathetic little thing when Jack thinks she's fouled up and he gets all cold and distant with her. He acts like a controlling parent, she acts like little girl... it's all very unappealing as part of some potential romantic scenario... not healthy at all.

Whatever complaints can be made of Sawyer, there has always been a sense of mutuality and equality about them. Both have lived with a deep, life-long pain. Both have a hole in their souls that desperately needs repair, but such can only be repaired by the individual. Dr. Jack isn't going to heal all that's wrong for Kate just by association or example, or some such tripe.

Both Sawyer and Kate hate their pasts, regret the things they've done, hate themselves for the roads they've taken. The major difference between Kate and Sawyer is that Kate keeps trying to be good, here and now, in whatever situaton she finds herself - at least to the best of her ability, without getting caught and sent to jail. She values "good", and wants to contribute positively to the overall situation. She also enjoys and seeks out human connections, at least to some extent. Sawyer, OTOH, has given up all hope of redemption and has closed himself off to meaningful human connection. He wears his anger and bitterness like a shield, keeping everyone at a safe distance He has internalized his bad deeds and believes himself incapable of doing good, or being good. That runs every bit as deep in him as Kate's fears that her very birthright means she can never be good. Neither can risk being fully known by anyone else, but despite this, they somehow "get' each other, instinctively... and neither judges or rejects the other, and the level of "real" in their relationship is something rare for both. .

Kate and Sawyer have both been on the move because of their lifestyles, never staying in one place long enough to be tempted to form serious or signficant connections. Now both are stuck.... unable to run from the consequences of their actions and inter-actions within this one group of people. Unable to run from each other, as well, or from the growing realization that the person reflected back to them by the mirror that is the other... might not be as bad as they fear... might even have some real good in them. IMO, what Kate and Sawyer have together has parity and could be a place of genuine comfort and healing while each learns to come to terms with the demons they've been running from all their lives, and now might have no choice but to face and conquor. Sawyer would never put himself in the position of trying to "fix" Kate, but he would support her in whatever she feels she needs to do to lessen her pain. Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.

Sawyer would never put himself in the position of trying to "fix" Kate, but he would support her in whatever she feels she needs to do to lessen her pain. Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.

You can say these things so much more eloquently than I ever could..

Thank you, Lisa! :hug:

What'd you think of my theory, in my last post?

I think you hit the nail on the head darlin'.


My goodness, y'all, I can't even begin to come up with anything as great as what's been said. I am so in awe of the concepts y'all have come up with. :biggrin:

Huggs,
Lisa

Wow, what a delicious, thought-provoking topic of discussion to be greeted to this morning. Wish I had the time to add my thoughts, but work beckons me. Boooo!


But, I wanted to say bravo ladies for such well thought out comments. :clap:

Halfrek, you have my sympathies. It's only going to worse before it gets better especially after the triangle ends and whichever ship is disappointmented yowls like demented cats in heat.And the ship that prevails sends up fireworks and rocket ships.

:shakehead: oh please no :crying: i think i need to schedule a vacation. :sadwave: oh wait...i have and it wont be pretty. i may have to recruit back up....ack! what was i thinking? OTOH i hope that TPTB will hold off on their "choosing" eppy until after i get back. seriously i will be on a plane the night of the second eppy of the season. maybe i should call and try to have that eppy preemted? :24:

no i do not know what happens in that eppy. i am really trying to remain spoiler free. :undecide: so far it is not working so well. but my speed reading has gotten better...i can now just scan over the RPs and pick out the offending parts all the while trying to ignore the bulk of the spoiler info. it is a cool trick. :biggrin:

I agree Fricksgurl, and the lovely Perdue pointed out to me today that by loving and accepting Sawyer, Kate may just be finding a way to work through her issues with Wayne. Instead of running away from her baggage, she's looking it square in the eye and coming to terms with what she did, what Wayne was, and the fact that Sawyer is NOT Wayne at all. Talk about pulling down the veil. It would be about her realising that she's been projecting Wayne onto Sawyer (just as she admitted in WKD), and that this flawed, screwed up, passionate, all or nothing man is not her bad, drunk daddy. And Jack is neither a sweet tragic Tom, nor her disapproving stepdad who wouldn't save her because she had murder in her heart. As soon as she faces the reality of who these two men really are and how they've been relating to her, I think she will come to a better understanding of who is right for her at this time in her life.

damn Zoriah once again you hit the nail on the head right there :shesaid:

But what I feel is going to happen is
If Jack at some point in S3 gains a new love interest, she is going to get very jealous. She knows Jack pines for her, even if she doesn't necessarily feel the same way. As anyone knows, it's flattering and self-empowering to know someone wants you. I just hope she doesn't leave her feelings for Sawyer on the back burner while she tries to earn back Jack's interest for herself. Like I said, she is selfish. Her selfishness is definitely improving, but it's still there.

Zoriah, I really hope Kate does what you say, realize who these two men really are. But can she?

i've seen situations like this before actually..
Even if they are not as interested in some guys some girls feel the need to have their attention anyways and Kate is no exception. When she was hanging around Sawyer she showed visible jealousy at the fact that someone slse, meaning Ana was spending time with Jack. And she's been hanging out with Jack and saw some girl hanging out with Sawyer she'd be po'd. In a sense it wanting your cake and eating it too. A sort of thing where your used to having both these guys falling all over you and when one stops doing it you get upset. I've seen women play these games all the time. And it's usually a sign of needing some sort of validation for yourself by a having both mens attentions squarely on you. And it allows to not really have to make up your mind eithe. Now when..


Kate makes her choice, she can't be getting upset when the other guy shows another girl some attention, she has to make her decision and stick with it.


Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.

i loved your entire post Dez but esp this part..

i saw someones signatrue once and it said, 'no one walks in darkness, there's just and absence of light'. I have often thought of them as lights for eachother, or as Girlspy said once as lighthouses for one another. And those who live in the darkness want the light, but are also completly terrified of it too, after all they are comfortable where they are, and sometimes have to dragged kicking and screaming out of it. I think they do that for eachother, force eachother to face the damons head on in that light, instead of hiding from it. And i think Josh said once that Sawyer wants to be a better person for Kate, that being there is halping with that. And she can be his inspiration for that but he has to do that for himself too.

Josh is on the cover of TV Guide October 2-8

HE HAS NEVER LOOKED HOTTER!!!!!! :drool:



Before the end of the first episode, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's . The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair , since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

"slowly he's been falling for this girl , Holloway says. "And when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feeling even more.

Be back with more when I read the article.

Josh is on the cover of TV Guide October 2-8

HE HAS NEVER LOOKED HOTTER!!!!!! :drool:



Before the end of the first episode, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's . The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair , since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

"slowly he's been falling for this girl , Holloway says. "And when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feeling even more.

Be back with more when I read the article.

AWESOME! Thanks for this, a2m - - I can't wait to see this pic!!

That's awsome.. now I definitely can't wait! :LockeOranges:

Josh is on the cover of TV Guide October 2-8

HE HAS NEVER LOOKED HOTTER!!!!!! :drool:



Before the end of the first episode, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's . The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair , since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

"slowly he's been falling for this girl , Holloway says. "And when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feeling even more.

Be back with more when I read the article.

a2m - You have absolutely made my day with this! :ntworthy: :ntworthy::ntworthy:

ETA - Leah Kate is in the process of scanning the article in on LF. Here's a link to her post over there. Click on the scanned page, then click again on the bottom right corner to enlarge it still more. Note: There are 5 pages in all, and she's still scanning as I type this so pls be patient till she gets all the pages up. Thanks!
****MOD edited: Removing link to another Lost forum

Josh is on the cover of TV Guide October 2-8

HE HAS NEVER LOOKED HOTTER!!!!!! :drool:



Before the end of the first episode, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's . The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair , since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

"slowly he's been falling for this girl , Holloway says. "And when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feeling even more.

Be back with more when I read the article.

Uhm, A2M, I love you!!!!!!!!!! :sweety:

I love my TV so much!!!!

Huggs my dear outkasters,
Lisa :biggrin:

Regarding posting scans of that article I suggest that you read this (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58294)...

Regarding posting scans of that article I suggest that you read this (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58294)...
Ooops! Sorry about that!

Am I allowed to say where people can find it on another board, i.e. the name of the thread and the post number? That wasn't quite clear to me in the rule.

Thanks for your help! :D

Ooops! Sorry about that!

Am I allowed to say where people can find it on another board, i.e. the name of the thread and the post number? That wasn't quite clear to me in the rule.

Thanks for your help! :DThis site does not allow posting of copyrighted material.

You may say what site the scans are on and say to do a search there or give people a general area to look for it in.

Wow this TVGuide article with Josh is sooo pro-skate!!! I'm thrilled!



About how if Sawyer lets his guard down on the island at all it's with Kate -

Josh: "She sees right through him, she's the little chisel that broke down his first wall."

TV Guide talks about the opening episode of the season -

...before the episode ends, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's. The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

Josh: "Slowly, he's been falling for this girl, and when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feelings even more."

Then TV guide confirms the producers promised Kate will make a choice between Jack or Sawyer.

Is there ANY doubt now that Sawyer has been steadily falling in love with Kate since those early days of Season one? I think we all know for sure now who the 'I love her' was referring to.

Remember in "CM," just before they kissed, James' face was just CRYING out in need of this kiss. Then, as it happened, they found they couldn't just end it. . .they kept it going and going. As it ended, they were both amazed at the power of their feelings.

I have the feeling that
we're about to see that again, in this Season 3 kiss. He's pulling him to her, needing her, and she's not resisting, needing him. And they just keep it going and going
. . .and this time, I think they're gonna realize WHY. As such, this coming scene is the perfect parallel AND conclusion to the first kiss scene!

If I'm right, the LOST writers are BRILLIANT. If I'm wrong, well. . .the LOST writers are still terrific! :biggrin:


We all know that Kate is going to "make a choice" this season. Obviously, there has to be more to it than that. We all know that Kate had become accustomed to just thinking about herself before the crash. She had to for survival. I think she truly belongs with Sawyer, for all the many reasons that are pointed out here. Her icy exterior really began to crack when she showed her compassion for Sawyer in WKD. It was something much deeper than the flirty interactions she had with Jack. WKD vocalized what we all were hoping and thinking, that they had feelings for one another. But I think one thing that's holding her back from succumbing to her feelings from Sawyer is that she is projecting Tom on Jack. Many comparisons to make between the two both doctors, "good" guys, etc. I don't think she is truly attracted to Jack as she is to Sawyer.

Zoriah, I really hope Kate does what you say, realize who these two men really are. But can she?


Kate and Sawyer have both been on the move because of their lifestyles, never staying in one place long enough to be tempted to form serious or signficant connections. Now both are stuck.... unable to run from the consequences of their actions and inter-actions within this one group of people. Unable to run from each other, as well, or from the growing realization that the person reflected back to them by the mirror that is the other... might not be as bad as they fear... might even have some real good in them. IMO, what Kate and Sawyer have together has parity and could be a place of genuine comfort and healing while each learns to come to terms with the demons they've been running from all their lives, and now might have no choice but to face and conquor. Sawyer would never put himself in the position of trying to "fix" Kate, but he would support her in whatever she feels she needs to do to lessen her pain. Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.

STH, Etrainor, Dezdemona & Zoriah (sorry, didn't quote your post here but your's is brilliant too :biggrin: - and to anyone who hasn't read it yet, make sure you go back & read it!) - I love everything all of you have said - STH, they did appear amazed after that kiss & Kate after all had only to give him a peck in the first place, she didn't have to continue the way she did... she just couldn't help herself could she?!
Etrainor, Kate did reveal more feelings for Sawyer than we had ever seen her do before during WKD, just as Sawyer appeared to reveal his feelings for Kate to Jack even if he said it when he was out of it (reminded me of the saying 'the truth often comes out when you're drunk'!) - and I think that it was around this time and just after this that I really thought they looked like a couple already too.
Dez - I love your 'chink of sunlight in his darkness' - so poetic! ... and so true too!


i've seen situations like this before actually..
Even if they are not as interested in some guys some girls feel the need to have their attention anyways and Kate is no exception. When she was hanging around Sawyer she showed visible jealousy at the fact that someone slse, meaning Ana was spending time with Jack. And she's been hanging out with Jack and saw some girl hanging out with Sawyer she'd be po'd. In a sense it wanting your cake and eating it too. A sort of thing where your used to having both these guys falling all over you and when one stops doing it you get upset. I've seen women play these games all the time. And it's usually a sign of needing some sort of validation for yourself by a having both mens attentions squarely on you. And it allows to not really have to make up your mind eithe. Now when..


Kate makes her choice, she can't be getting upset when the other guy shows another girl some attention, she has to make her decision and stick with it.




I agree with you Fricks that it could be this way with Kate but if Kate finds herself falling head over heels (if she isn't already) with Sawyer then I'd hope she'd get over any other events which may have upset her to begin with - trying to put myself in her shoes and I think if I realised that I loved one guy then I wouldn't mind so much if the other guy found someone nice to be with too!
Josh is on the cover of TV Guide October 2-8

HE HAS NEVER LOOKED HOTTER!!!!!! :drool:

Before the end of the first episode, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's . The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair , since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

"slowly he's been falling for this girl , Holloway says. "And when you come into danger from outside forces, it reveals your feeling even more.


Yay a2m! I hope I can get a copy of this and I totally love what Josh said too - sounds promising ... :biggrin: :biggrin: :inlove:

Zoriah,

About how if Sawyer lets his guard down on the island at all it's with Kate -
Quote:
Josh: "She sees right through him, she's the little chisel that broke down his first wall."HeeHee - it crossed my mind that Losttvfan already made an analogy of the breaking down of 'the wall' - I like the way Josh thinks too ;)

Wow this TVGuide article with Josh is sooo pro-skate!!! I'm thrilled!



About how if Sawyer lets his guard down on the island at all it's with Kate -


TV Guide talks about the opening episode of the season -

...before the episode ends, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's. The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

OMG

I'm so thrilled that's awsome news! At least we get a sweet skate scene, even if she doesn't choose him if we get lovely skate scenes it mught make up for that ever so slightly! I'm so glad! This makes me think even more than if the wrfiters now make jate happen they have been very mean indeed to us poor skaters by giving us all this inof! OMG im mega excited now, even more so! Why isn't it october 4th yet! And I actually wont be ablet to watch it until thursday afternoon whyen i get back from wok because of the time difference, so I'll have to catch up on all the SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEing I'm sure we will be doing!

Where can I find a scan or copy of some of that article!



Then TV guide confirms the producers promised Kate will make a choice between Jack or Sawyer.

Is there ANY doubt now that Sawyer has been steadily falling in love with Kate since those early days of Season one? I think we all know for sure now who the 'I love her' was referring to.

OMG

I'm so thrilled that's awsome news! At least we get a sweet skate scene, even if she doesn't choose him if we get lovely skate scenes it mught make up for that ever so slightly! I'm so glad! This makes me think even more than if the wrfiters now make jate happen they have been very mean indeed to us poor skaters by giving us all this inof! OMG im mega excited now, even more so! Why isn't it october 4th yet! And I actually wont be ablet to watch it until thursday afternoon whyen i get back from wok because of the time difference, so I'll have to catch up on all the SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEing I'm sure we will be doing!

Where can I find a scan or copy of some of that article!

Is it October 4th yet?

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

*snickers* Looks like we have figured out the deeper meanings behind those shared "looks" with Jack!

:24:

The title of the Josh article is Josh Goes Deep. :)

from tv guide

Producers say Kate will choose within the first 6 episodes. ( could it be in the October 25 Sawyercentric episode Every Man For Himself)

I say, TV Guide knows she sexes Sawyer in the October 25 episode.

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

Lol that cracked me up! I always have found the idea that kate and jack are showing their love for each other through that final glane a bit siolly, I mean based on that sawyer would have to love him too right?

Not sure why I just spoiler fonted that but oh well teehee!

Lol that cracked me up! I always have found the idea that kate and jack are showing their love for each other through that final glane a bit siolly, I mean based on that sawyer would have to love him too right?

Not sure why I just spoiler fonted that but oh well teehee!

ITA. Had that scene been filmed differently, then I think there'd be a solid argument for the Jate-implied-ness of it. However, as it is...not so much. No swirling music, no longing looks, no tears, etc...just anger and grim determination from both Jack and Sawyer, and Kate trying to be brave. I've never seen anything shippy, in any direction, from that entire scene.

Except Jurley, of course. :biggrin:

*snickers* Looks like we have figured out the deeper meanings behind those shared "looks" with Jack!

:24:

The title of the Josh article is Josh Goes Deep. :)

from tv guide

Producers say Kate will choose within the first 6 episodes. ( could it be in the October 25 Sawyercentric episode Every Man For Himself)

I say, TV Guide knows she sexes Sawyer in the October 25 episode.

I certainly hope you're right! Ooooh a skate sex scene its almost to amazing to imagine! I think we will all need some serious calming down if or when that happens! I think my eyes may finally go square from re-watching it continuously lol! :biggrin:

Oops almst got inot trouble then! That's the trouble wi9th multi-tasking! My housemates have some dodgy arnold swarzeneger (wow thats so spelled wrong) on called hercules in new york...8its seriously dodgy! lol!

Both Sawyer and Kate hate their pasts, regret the things they've done, hate themselves for the roads they've taken. The major difference between Kate and Sawyer is that Kate keeps trying to be good, here and now, in whatever situaton she finds herself - at least to the best of her ability, without getting caught and sent to jail. She values "good", and wants to contribute positively to the overall situation. She also enjoys and seeks out human connections, at least to some extent. Sawyer, OTOH, has given up all hope of redemption and has closed himself off to meaningful human connection. He wears his anger and bitterness like a shield, keeping everyone at a safe distance He has internalized his bad deeds and believes himself incapable of doing good, or being good. That runs every bit as deep in him as Kate's fears that her very birthright means she can never be good. Neither can risk being fully known by anyone else, but despite this, they somehow "get' each other, instinctively... and neither judges or rejects the other, and the level of "real" in their relationship is something rare for both. .

Kate and Sawyer have both been on the move because of their lifestyles, never staying in one place long enough to be tempted to form serious or signficant connections. Now both are stuck.... unable to run from the consequences of their actions and inter-actions within this one group of people. Unable to run from each other, as well, or from the growing realization that the person reflected back to them by the mirror that is the other... might not be as bad as they fear... might even have some real good in them. IMO, what Kate and Sawyer have together has parity and could be a place of genuine comfort and healing while each learns to come to terms with the demons they've been running from all their lives, and now might have no choice but to face and conquor. Sawyer would never put himself in the position of trying to "fix" Kate, but he would support her in whatever she feels she needs to do to lessen her pain. Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.


When I read this part of your post earlier, I couldn't help think of two people forced to take a cross country trip where one person is relatively excited about the prospect of just being on the move because that's all they really know. The other person is going along begrudingly, (and because they don't have anything better to do) stating very early that no matter how fantastic the scenery, how enjoyable the company...they're just not going to enjoy this trip. Period. But they continue to drive, both taking turns at the wheel...the person who was more willing to take the trip finds themself overly anxious to simply reach their destination, and wants to start taking shortcuts (as Zoriah mentioned) not to mention, they have yet to take much time to just enjoy the scene they're driving through.

The other person who started off grumbling about everything at first, eventually begins to warm to the idea of this long and necessary trip, making the other person (begrudingly) stop and just take in the sights. Rest stop areas where they pick up pointless souveneirs marking each mile they're further away from another bad memory. Where they're able to breathe in the fresh air of some obscure town in Wisconsin that doesn't even have a Wal-Mart, but where every person they meet wears a smile anyway. ;)

The road isn't always easy. In fact, some times it's down right tiring, narrow, and cramped in unexpected places. The two companions argue about what detours to take, or if they should take any at all. Many times they simply want to give up...go their seperate ways, because neither one of them is very good at following directions. And it's so much easier to go it alone, less things to worry about. But the idea of going it alone again is more terrifying than not making their destination at all. And somewhere along the way they've come to realie that they kind of like each others company, and they like the fact that they have more than just their otherwise selfish reasons to keep moving. So, comcing to a compromise, an aspect neither were aware they even possessed, or cared before now to even entertain, they forge on, reestablishing the rules of the road that were never really set to begin with...thankful to peak a new hill to see the next little town spread before them, that has a really cool souveneir shop and even a Wal-Mart. :biggrin:


Or so that's my goofy little take on things...

Oh my goodness Darbi, that was so beautiful and such a great analogy for the Skate relationship. :clapping: :ntworthy: :hug:

In homage to Leah Kate and you: They are on the road finally, and maybe together they'll reach their destination. However, if nothing else the journey will be one hell of a ride.

Great discussion, ladies. Zoriah, I loved your post... much to think about.

Kate, OTOH, has something unique with Sawyer.. he needs her, far more than Jack ever could or would. She's the chink of sunlight in his darkness, the promise that maybe, just maybe there's more light out there if he just moves out of the dark corner he'd condemned himself to. She offers him hope that maybe redemption is possible... even a little. She values him and his potential, and would want to help him ease his pain, just as she needs to ease her own. So much potential for depth with this couple.

:wub: Dez: That was SO perfect I nearly fainted when I read it! I have always said that to Jack she is just a girl, but for Sawyer she is the girl....if not her, he won't ever risk his heart again.

Oh my goodness Darbi, that was so beautiful and such a great analogy for the Skate relationship. :clapping: :ntworthy: :hug:

In homage to Leah Kate and you: They are on the road finally, and maybe together they'll reach their destination. However, if nothing else the journey will be one hell of a ride.

Indeed it will be one hell of a ride. :grin:

Zoriah, I got your PM thanks but can't reply to it, you're over the limit on PMs it seems!
Anyway, have to head off - good night everyone, happy Skating!

Hi guys! I just wanted to pop in and say thank you to all the exceptionally kind Skaters who have been leaving such nice messages over on the Jate Couch. :group:

Even though we obviously want totally different things and interpret scenes in totally different ways, we are all Lost fans and should treat each other nicely. I've seen some awful shipping wars before, so it's really heartening that for the most part, both our ships keep it about our couple and don't drag the other fans throw the mud, so go us! :smile:

I think that no matter what happens this season, they are all living on a small island and Kate will still be interacting plenty with both Jack and Sawyer.

Thanks again, my dears!

The title of the Josh article is Josh Goes Deep. :)

from tv guide

Producers say Kate will choose within the first 6 episodes. ( could it be in the October 25 Sawyercentric episode Every Man For Himself)

I say, TV Guide knows she sexes Sawyer in the October 25 episode.


Dear ATM, please refrain from making overtly ahem, suggestive comments. Unless you, ah jeeze just make them. :kiss: :biggrin: I'm just jealous you said it first.

Except Jurley, of course. :biggrin:


I absolutely love that. Jurely.....haha.

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

Oh, now that's what a look looks like.

I had forgotten totally about it!

Thanks for dropping by Zoe. No problem, I don't think everything's a done deal at present and some people needed cheering up. As always each side has their optimistic moments and pessimistic ones. It swings one way then the other. As long as we remain open to the possibility of things not going our way, I think we are more prepared and less bitterly disappointed should that worst case happen.

So...I think there is still reason for optimism on both sides and as they say it ain't over till it's over. And I think everyone can agree that Lost has some seasons in it yet. ;)

Zoe, thanks. And I'm sure you're absolutely right. Here's to everyone looking forward to a fascinating season. :biggrin:

I third that Zoe.

Wow this TVGuide article with Josh is sooo pro-skate!!! I'm thrilled!



About how if Sawyer lets his guard down on the island at all it's with Kate -


TV Guide talks about the opening episode of the season -

...before the episode ends, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's. The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.

Then TV guide confirms the producers promised Kate will make a choice between Jack or Sawyer.

Is there ANY doubt now that Sawyer has been steadily falling in love with Kate since those early days of Season one? I think we all know for sure now who the 'I love her' was referring to.
i am very skeptical. i think it is all fake. this is too big of a major spoiler even for TV guide, therefore i think it is not going to happen as they say it. sorry to rain on the parade but my gut tells me it is too good to be true. :( i for one wont be all *squee* over any of this until i actually see it.

The title of the Josh article is Josh Goes Deep. :)

from tv guide

Producers say Kate will choose within the first 6 episodes. ( could it be in the October 25 Sawyercentric episode Every Man For Himself)

I say, TV Guide knows she sexes Sawyer in the October 25 episode.
i almost sporfled all over my computer with that title. are they now using our corn title generator or something? what i want to know is how many smut!fic writers saw that and went "oooh i have just the story for that title". :24:

i am very skeptical. i think it is all fake. this is too big of a major spoiler even for TV guide, therefore i think it is not going to happen as they say it. sorry to rain on the parade but my gut tells me it is too good to be true. i for one wont be all *squee* over any of this until i actually see it.

I think the points below can pretty much be accepted as being based on fact and not rumour, but I agree that things are looking so positive that it's rather scary, isn't it?:

Sawyer has fallen for Kate. (whether she has though is up for debate) - source from Josh's own mouth in TVguide, and he also said Sawyer was secretly in love with Kate in an interview for a french mag. Plus onscreen evidence in WKD and confirmed in ABC episode summary and on the season 2 DVD set episode summary.

Sawyer will be in a cage, and at some point Kate will be put in a cage next to him. (presumably not adjacent) - source ABC Promo, early set pics and now TV guide.

Sawyer and Kate will have a sweet reunion in episode one. -source TV Guide.

Kate is kissed by one of the island boys. And according to Kristin her heart is with this boy. And so far we have evidence that Sawyer kisses her. -source Kristin, and ABC promo.

Kate is going to confess her feelings about someone on the island. But we don't know who to and it is said to be heartwrenching in every way. -source Kristin.

Kate is going to choose between Sawyer and Jack by the first six episodes. -source DL and CC at Comic con and various other interviews, including Kristin scoop about 'sex- oops six episodes'.


What we don't know for sure:

Is how Kate really feels about either man.
How the kiss comes about, and what it means in terms of her 'choice'.
How Jack is going to compete for Kate if he's isolated from the pair.
Who Kate chooses.

I choose be be very optimistic. However, of course there is still a heck of a lot of room to allow for some kind of twisty plot where Kate chooses Jack, or chooses Sawyer who rejects her etc.

From TV Guide:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1537755_3||1045714|1_0_,00.html

BURNING QUESTION FOR SEASON 3 ''Until now,'' says Lindelof, ''he's been the No. 1 con man on the island. What happens when he meets his match?'' Adds Cuse: ''Is he willing to put himself out there emotionally for another human being?''



So, the question of the night is: Can he?

Okay dear OutKaSts,

I must go a little hog wild here. I have seen and read the TV Guide article and I cannot even begin to tell you all how SQUEEEEEE I feel right now. How freakin' wonderful is this? I keep the TV on ABC all the time now, even through shows I thoroughly can't stand simply to get another glimpse of what it looks like we've waited so long to get.

I can't say that anything is absolutely going to happen, all we can go by is what we can see or have seen, and who knows if by the end of the show our dimpled darlin' and his little outlaw with the heart of gold will stay together, and frankly I'm not even all that worried about it now.

Let's remember one thing, they will always have some kind of connection and will always be "together" in a sense simply because they are so closely connected. What I feel in my heart right now is that man loves that woman and she loves him. Whether it stays that way from now on, I can't say and I don't want to imagine.

But we can be assured of one thing, and that one thing is that no matter what happens between Sawyer and Kate, he's Sawyer, for cryin' out loud, he's imperfect, he's hurt, he's flawed, he's dangerous, and he's in love. But he's also gonna screw it up because that's what he does best.

So my dears, just wait and watch and see what happens. Remember, Josh said last year that Sawyer's only motivation for getting back across the jungle was to be with Kate, and he's also said that she's got him, no matter what he does, she's got him. And then in the recent TV Guide, he says Sawyer's been slowly falling for Kate...now that looks pretty good for us. So just hang in there, my darlin's, it's gonna happen...my certainly percentage has gone up to about 98% now...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

Thanks for dropping by Zoe. No problem, I don't think everything's a done deal at present and some people needed cheering up. As always each side has their optimistic moments and pessimistic ones. It swings one way then the other. As long as we remain open to the possibility of things not going our way, I think we are more prepared and less bitterly disappointed should that worst case happen.

So...I think there is still reason for optimism on both sides and as they say it ain't over till it's over. And I think everyone can agree that Lost has some seasons in it yet. ;)

I liked your post also, Zoe. Keeping things nice feels better to me regardless of the outcome. I'm keeping a closer eye on how I come across as I support Skate.

From TV Guide:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1537755_3||1045714|1_0_,00.html

BURNING QUESTION FOR SEASON 3 ''Until now,'' says Lindelof, ''he's been the No. 1 con man on the island. What happens when he meets his match?'' Adds Cuse: ''Is he willing to put himself out there emotionally for another human being?''



So, the question of the night is: Can he?

:biggrin: Josh sure seems to think so:


“Slowly he’s been falling for this girl.” Holloway says. “And when you come into danger from outside forces, it revels your feeling even more.” Source TV Guide October 2-8


:redface: Let's remember that Lost has always had a great relationship with TV Guide (the recent DVD included on the cover is just one example). TV Guide also appears to love Sawyer...our boy's on their cover pretty often. IMO, TPTB would be very unlikly to leave this important industry magazine with "egg on it's face", so I am going to choose to believe their take on S3 and celebrate my little Skater heart out!

So, how is everyone feeling this evening? Nice article on Josh. He seems like a true sweetheart. Love the way he speaks about his wife. Very cool.

Yessie is one lucky lady. That's for sure. He's so in love. I think it's wonderful. I'm glad things have gone so well for him too. Makes it all worth the trouble....

:redface: Let's remember that Lost has always had a great relationship with TV Guide (the recent DVD included on the cover is just one example). TV Guide also appears to love Sawyer...our boy's on their cover pretty often. IMO, TPTB would be very unlikly to leave this important industry magazine with "egg on it's face", so I am going to choose to believe their take on S3 and celebrate my little Skater heart out!
Josh is on the cover a lot b/c he SELLS more mags than any other cover. that was quoted last year by the TV Guide peeps. ;) the bottom line is selling more magazines. and it works. i for one will be picking up extras for prizes for the Lost Radio show. :lol:

TV Guide has been known to be wrong. we just dont make a big deal about it b/c they are so close that we "forgive" their inaccuracies. they get it so close that we may not really notice. besides who can forget their hype last season over Ana and Jack that didnt happen. it was all over the press. Ana = love interest for Jack. :24: yeah we know how that turned out.

that aside...yes. it could happen. yes i would be happy but i will still be wary that TPTB arent setting us up for a great big fall. i just wish my TV guide would hurry up and get in my mailbox ;)

Isn't love wonderful? :love:

Lisa--can we get some preview of "sweetness" between our twosome from ya before October 4?

I :heart: Skate.

I :chair: The Others.

:lost:

i just wish my TV guide would hurry up and get in my mailbox

I warned the hubby, he will be on the lookout now. He always picks me up two. Such a good guy.

Isn't love wonderful? :love:

Lisa--can we get some preview of "sweetness" between our twosome from ya before October 4?

I :heart: Skate.

I :chair: The Others.

:lost:


Well actually STH, this next chapter is more background into how Jack got Kate from the marshall, and the way Jack treats her which isn't good. Subsequent chapters will be about the card game and the way that "James" treats her when he gets her...which, trust me, will make you happy.

Huggs,
Lisa :biggrin:

which, trust me, will make you happy.

Huggs,
Lisa :biggrin:
um Lisa, your siggy is slightly spoilery. please edit that. i dont want to have to officially warn you, mkay?

um Lisa, your siggy is slightly spoilery. please edit that. i dont want to have to officially warn you, mkay?


Thanks Halley, Myha just told me...it's done now. :love:

Sorry :redface:

Have we run out of things to talk about again? Quick, someone think of a good topic for discussion question?

How about this... hypothetical question...
If Ana Lucia hadn't died... What do you think would have happened between her and Sawyer??

Good question. I think they would have been absolutely horrid to each other. Vitriolic. It wasn't exactly as if they were pals before they got together. Ana would have denied anything ever happened and done all she could to make out Sawyer as a liar. He would have struck back with all the venom he possesses. The rest of the Losties would be wondering what the h was going on because the level of animosity would be racheted up so high it would have been impossible to ignore.

And then, what if Ana had gotten pregnant? Didn't seem to be much protection being used in that scene. LOL.

I think all in all it's better she died when she did.

ok as far TV Guide goes..

The Jack/Ana was supposed to happen, the producers confirmed that so TV Guide wasn't neccearily wrong on that. In fact that particular spoiler was leaked to quite a few outlets at the outset of Ana's character on the show. It just didn't work due to various reasons and therefore scrapped. As far as what was said in the most recent issue...


They didn't say or confirm anything with regards to who Kate chooses or loves, the only thing they mentioned was what was happening in the first epi.. I got no reason to believe that's not the truth there seeing as how they've probably already seen that epi. The only other things that were mentioned and or confirmed where that 1) that there will in fact be a Sawyer centric epi, it will be #4 which most of us already guessed 2) and how Sawyer feels about Kate.. which btw is something we've already known around here. There was nothing major that would lead us in any direction. They made no suggestions on who she was choosing. So as far what TV Guide says i tthink that stuff is on the level..

But i do worry about the Sana, that is hanging over everything and could very well cause some serious angst, as it was meant to. I worry what effect that would have the potential relationship they could have. It's the one thing that scares me..


and thanks Zoe for stopping by too, I'm glad we can stay relativly peaceful around her for the most part..

Lisa i do love that you are our little cheerleader all the time always with the postive vibes:biggrin:



If Ana Lucia hadn't died... What do you think would have happened between her and Sawyer??


oh that's a good one.. i'll have to think on that...

Good question, Myha. And I'd be happy to answer it just as soon as these muscle relaxers and wine (deadly combination, I know. But my back hurts, dang it!) wear off.


Whew...can hardly keep my eyes open.


Night all.

Y'all ready for some Skate love?

Here's a new video for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm_Kqxf9RpI

Good question, Myha. And I'd be happy to answer it just as soon as these muscle relaxers and wine (deadly combination, I know. But my back hurts, dang it!) wear off.


Whew...can hardly keep my eyes open.


Night all.

Night Darb!!

Excellent question Myha!!!! Good to see you posting hon!!

I think if Ana had lived, there never would have been a Sana scene. She would have been the love interest for Jack that she was supposed to be and Sawyer and Ana would have never had anything happen between them, and I also believe that would have put an end to the triangle.

Wow, I just love it when a question makes me think...

Huggs,
Lisa :biggrin:

I believe that she was originally meant for Jack, and if things had happened any different, then either the Sana scene wouldn't have happened, or it would've just been more drama between Sawyer and Kate/Jack.. but I really think she would've been good for Jack, leaving Sawyer and Kate in peace long enough for them to realize their feelings for each other without all this triangle nonsense that we ended up with instead.

I have more to say on this, but my 3 mo. old is crying and I am her slave, attending to her every beck and call.. (or cry and scream, in this case) lol :wub:

on the Sawyer and Ana question i think that it would've gone one of 2 ways. Way #1 She and Sawyer never have sex, in fact she ends up with Jack, if the story had gone the way the writers had originally planned. Which would've allowed Sawyer/Kate stuff to happen sooner as a result.

Way #2 If they had sex and she still survived, this would definatly have created some serious drama. Not only would Ana have made Sawyer not tell anyone but she sure as hell would've held it over his head as well. I could see her using it as some sort of means of getting whatever she wanted, by threatening to tell Kate or something. The tension would've been ramped up that's for sure. Those two would be even more hateful than normal i'd imagine.

All in all i think her dying was probably the best thing, but i hated the way she was killed, think she deserved a bit better to be honest. Mike:mad:

Ed Mars is gonna show up in the next chapter, Lisa? Oh, goody!! :clap:

And since you're such a good Skater, OF COURSE there's gonna be a happy ending to this FAN FIC of yours!

One of my fave Skate scenes is when James hadn't found his new pair of glasses yet, so was forced to have Kate read the magazine to him--and she chose the "How Sensitive Are You" quiz! :24:

I prefer not to think about Sana at all, thank you! :sick:

I think the thing with Sawyer was a "one jungle stand". She just used him really to get the gun.

She just used him really to get the gun.
was that double entendre intended or not? :24: b/c really that is ONE way of putting it. :naughty:

what? :innocent:

:biggrin:

was that double entendre intended or not? :24: b/c really that is ONE way of putting it. :naughty:

what? :innocent:

:biggrin:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH halfrek!!

So tell me the other way. . . :dgrin:

Wow there's so much to catch up on after the weekend! Well said by so many; Dez, Darbi, Zoriah - there are probably more of you who said something brilliant but I haven't time to go back and find them again! Anyhow...

Wow this TVGuide article with Josh is sooo pro-skate!!! I'm thrilled!



About how if Sawyer lets his guard down on the island at all it's with Kate -


TV Guide talks about the opening episode of the season -

...before the episode ends, Kate has been moved to a cage next to Sawyer's. The two share a sweet reunion that will thrill fans who've been rooting for the pair since they shared a hungry kiss during season 1.



Then TV guide confirms the producers promised Kate will make a choice between Jack or Sawyer.

Is there ANY doubt now that Sawyer has been steadily falling in love with Kate since those early days of Season one? I think we all know for sure now who the 'I love her' was referring to.

squeeeeeee!

i almost sporfled all over my computer with that title.

"Sporfled"???? :roflmao: sorry 'bout the edit you had to do on my post, btw :down:
Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

:rotflmao2: :rotflmao: :lol: I think I sporfled when I watched that. I think. Depends what "sporfling" is ;)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH halfrek!!

So tell me the other way. . . :dgrin:
:naughty: well i could tell you but if i elaborate any more i would have to ban myself for adult content and hey! that sounds lovely. a vacation :24:

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

After Jack gives Hurley the "look", Hurley's face says, "uh . . . ooo-kay".

Possibly spoilery:

Icekat figured out who Jack's other potential new love interest will be. If sharing 'the look' is anything to go by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EeGme2ktLA

:lol: Haha, i love that theory IceKat ;). Thanks for the link Zoriah. :)

Okay I have some serious catching up to do. Man it was a busy night here. And also wanted to thank A2M for the beautiful tv guide quotes. Muchas gracias babe! :D

And before I lose my chain of thought while reading all these phenominal posts, I just wanted to put out a notion I had last night, and Im afraid its based on spoiler discussion so I will be spoiler fonting it, but here goes....

So, we know that Kate will definately be making a choice right. About which man she wants...But what if the choice she makes is not only telling of where her heart lies, but also, she is forced to make a choice determining Jack and Sawyers fate? I think that could be an interesting twist. Like perhaps she has to strike a deal with the others and Ive seen variations of this in a few fan fictions, but ultimately this could be when we find out where Kates heart lies, and what she is willing to sacrifice. She looked mighty broken up in those previews, and Im thinking she wouldnt be so visibly distraught if it was a rehashed backstory. I think there was a reason she covered her face while walking away from Sawyer, trying to hold it in. What if she was the bargaining factor in who the Others keep? I think theres gonna be alot of guilt on her part. And am wondering if for the good of the camp she picks Jack as the one to go free, and Sawyer as the one to stay? I mean we know from the previews that they appear to breakout, but Im just thinking outloud. Wondering what that heartwrenching part is gonna be, lol.

Okay, back to reading now. ttyl. ;)

After Jack gives Hurley the "look", Hurley's face says, "uh . . . ooo-kay".

:lol: Haha, i love that theory IceKat ;). Thanks for the link Zoriah. :)

Well, I've often heard theories about how "a look" from Jack can mean true love, Love, LOVE! And while re-watching LTDA the other night, it hit me and I realized...hey, Hurley got "a look" first. So shove over Kate, and make some room!

:24:

Well, I've often heard theories about how "a look" from Jack can mean true love, Love, LOVE! And while re-watching LTDA the other night, it hit me and I realized...hey, Hurley got "a look" first. So shove over Kate, and make some room!

:24:

ROFLMAO! I get it now. Kate's long look and weird blinking thing all stemmed from her insecurity!!! Here she'd thought she had Jack (and Sawyer) wrapped around her little finger with her feminine wiles, only to discover that maybe Jack... has a more tender spot for the other gender, shall we say, and that Hurley is the one who's really his type!

Gotta give the girl credit for trying though. It's not easy trying to vamp a man when you're both bound and gagged, as well as stuck on your knees and being held at gunpoint. She gave it a good try though, with the whole blinking thing. Gotta love feisty Kate!

:24::24::24::24:

ROFLMAO! I get it now. Kate's long look and weird blinking thing all stemmed from her insecurity!!! Here she'd thought she had Jack (and Sawyer) wrapped around her little finger with her feminine wiles, only to discover that maybe Jack... has a more tender spot for the other gender, shall we say, and that Hurley is the one who's really his type!

:24::24::24::24::24:

oh my! :biglaugh:

Dez - Like always..awesome post!


Hey anyone else having trouble getting on LF?

Darn it! I hate it when I get so behind on reading posts over here. Wonderful discussion going on...keep it up!



I think if Ana had lived, there never would have been a Sana scene. She would have been the love interest for Jack that she was supposed to be and Sawyer and Ana would have never had anything happen between them, and I also believe that would have put an end to the triangle.

Wow, I just love it when a question makes me think...

Huggs,
Lisa :biggrin:

ITA Lisa!! And beautiful vid by the way. :)


I prefer not to think about Sana at all, thank you! :sick:

I could not agree with you more!! I'll vote double :sick::sick:!

Well, I've often heard theories about how "a look" from Jack can mean true love, Love, LOVE! And while re-watching LTDA the other night, it hit me and I realized...hey, Hurley got "a look" first. So shove over Kate, and make some room!

:24:

LOL! That is great IceKat!!!:roflmao:

was that double entendre intended or not? :24: b/c really that is ONE way of putting it. :naughty:

what? :innocent:

:biggrin:

Y'all are killin' me here!!!

I believe that she was originally meant for Jack, and if things had happened any different, then either the Sana scene wouldn't have happened, or it would've just been more drama between Sawyer and Kate/Jack.. but I really think she would've been good for Jack, leaving Sawyer and Kate in peace long enough for them to realize their feelings for each other without all this triangle nonsense that we ended up with instead.

I have more to say on this, but my 3 mo. old is crying and I am her slave, attending to her every beck and call.. (or cry and scream, in this case) lol :wub:

Excellent thought SG...

Ed Mars is gonna show up in the next chapter, Lisa? Oh, goody!! :clap:

And since you're such a good Skater, OF COURSE there's gonna be a happy ending to this FAN FIC of yours!

One of my fave Skate scenes is when James hadn't found his new pair of glasses yet, so was forced to have Kate read the magazine to him--and she chose the "How Sensitive Are You" quiz! :24:

I prefer not to think about Sana at all, thank you! :sick:

Well he's not actually gonna show up and not have any dialog or anything but there might be some references to him.

LF and FF are acting crazy today. :(

I have more to say on this, but my 3 mo. old is crying and I am her slave, attending to her every beck and call.. (or cry and scream, in this case) lol :wub:

You have a baby, too!? Wondering: Do you also find it hard to vocalize your thoughts on all this, only to find that everyone on here has said what you're thinking, and twenty times more eloquently than you are able to? (re:mommy brain?) lol. and does your baby love Lost like my Lily does? ;)

:lol: Haha, i love that theory IceKat ;). Thanks for the link Zoriah. :)

Me too. Love the theory that is and thanks Zoriah and IceKat too :laugh:

Okay I have some serious catching up to do. Man it was a busy night here. And also wanted to thank A2M for the beautiful tv guide quotes. Muchas gracias babe! :D

And before I lose my chain of thought while reading all these phenominal posts, I just wanted to put out a notion I had last night, and Im afraid its based on spoiler discussion so I will be spoiler fonting it, but here goes....

So, we know that Kate will definately be making a choice right. About which man she wants...But what if the choice she makes is not only telling of where her heart lies, but also, she is forced to make a choice determining Jack and Sawyers fate? I think that could be an interesting twist. Like perhaps she has to strike a deal with the others and Ive seen variations of this in a few fan fictions, but ultimately this could be when we find out where Kates heart lies, and what she is willing to sacrifice.This thought scares me actually - deciding the fate of the guys would definitely be a heartwrenching moment in itself. Never mind what the actual fate will be :fear3:Not sure I wanna even think about it :hide:
She looked mighty broken up in those previews, and Im thinking she wouldnt be so visibly distraught if it was a rehashed backstory. I think there was a reason she covered her face while walking away from Sawyer, trying to hold it in. What if she was the bargaining factor in who the Others keep? I think theres gonna be alot of guilt on her part. And am wondering if for the good of the camp she picks Jack as the one to go free, and Sawyer as the one to stay? I mean we know from the previews that they appear to breakout, but Im just thinking outloud. Wondering what that heartwrenching part is gonna be, lol.
I wonder why Kate appeared so upset in the previews we've seen? Maybe just to do with the way she's being treated by the Others? If it is to do with having to choose Sawyer's/Jack's fate then it makes sense that she'd be upset then. As Kate appears more dishevelled when the Skate kiss happens though, I wonder if this could be because she did choose Sawyer to either remain behind or await some form of torture and then Sawyer escapes and on seeing him, she runs into his arms?? Didn't Kate look almost like she was running to him in that promo as if the kiss was a mutually timed decision on both their parts?

You have a baby, too!? Wondering: Do you also find it hard to vocalize your thoughts on all this, only to find that everyone on here has said what you're thinking, and twenty times more eloquently than you are able to? (re:mommy brain?) lol. and does your baby love Lost like my Lily does? ;)

Now Katie, don't you dare say that...everything you say is just as valuable as anything the rest of us say, there's just some of us who have been here longer and there are some people who have been here even longer than I have. :hug:

It won't be long and you'll be just as comfortable as the rest of us...:biggrin:

Huggs darlin',
Lisa

Now Katie, don't you dare say that...everything you say is just as valuable as anything the rest of us say, there's just some of us who have been here longer and there are some people who have been here even longer than I have. :hug:

It won't be long and you'll be just as comfortable as the rest of us...:biggrin:

Huggs darlin',
Lisa

Awww, thanks Mama! (heh heh)
Don't you just always say the right thing. :sweety:

Now Katie, don't you dare say that...everything you say is just as valuable as anything the rest of us say, there's just some of us who have been here longer and there are some people who have been here even longer than I have. :hug:

It won't be long and you'll be just as comfortable as the rest of us...:biggrin:

Huggs darlin',
Lisa


In other words, some of us are oldskaters but not oldtaters ;)


Welcome Katie!

You have a baby, too!? Wondering: Do you also find it hard to vocalize your thoughts on all this, only to find that everyone on here has said what you're thinking, and twenty times more eloquently than you are able to? (re:mommy brain?) lol. and does your baby love Lost like my Lily does? ;)


Mommy brain? I love that. I have a 9 month old, very active, lil boy. And I COULDN"T agree more!! Sometimes I feel as if I lost all my vocabulary except for baby talk. Tim watches LOST w/me , too. :hypocrit:

Mommy brain. Oh man do I remember that. One time my son was crying and I couldn't for the life of me remember if I was going in to pick him up, had just put him down, if I had just changed him or if he needed changing. I used to say my brain turned into raspberry jello those first months. But fortunately it isn't permanent. And welcome to Skating!!!

was that double entendre intended or not? :24: b/c really that is ONE way of putting it. :naughty:

what? :innocent:

:biggrin:
:biglaugh::lol1:
omg Halfrek you took the words right outta my mouth. :biggrin: she got the gun alright... n more ways than one... :naughty: *shuts up before she goes to far*

ROFLMAO! I get it now. Kate's long look and weird blinking thing all stemmed from her insecurity!!! Here she'd thought she had Jack (and Sawyer) wrapped around her little finger with her feminine wiles, only to discover that maybe Jack... has a more tender spot for the other gender, shall we say, and that Hurley is the one who's really his type!



you guys are seriously killing me here you know that? :rotflmao2: i'm gonna have to get myself over to that Southern Pervert Mini-Mart and get whatever drugs you all are on...:biggrin:

I wonder why Kate appeared so upset in the previews we've seen? Maybe just to do with the way she's being treated by the Others? If it is to do with having to choose Sawyer's/Jack's fate then it makes sense that she'd be upset then. As Kate appears more dishevelled when the Skate kiss happens though, I wonder if this could be because she did choose Sawyer to either remain behind or await some form of torture and then Sawyer escapes and on seeing him, she runs into his arms?? Didn't Kate look almost like she was running to him in that promo as if the kiss was a mutually timed decision on both their parts?

Midnight it did seem that way...


i rhought she was moving toward him a bit myself too, definatly a distinct possiblity..

although i did read something interesting over on ABC from ABC media.net...
check it out.. just released i guess

“The Glass Ballerina” – Sayid's plan to locate Jack places Sun and Jin's lives in grave danger. Meanwhile, Kate and Sawyer are forced to work in harsh conditions by their captors, and Henry makes a very tempting offer to Jack that may prove difficult to refuse, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11 (9:00-10:01 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.

Editors Note: This episode replaces “Further Instructions” which moves to Oct. 18



sounds interesting to say the least...

hav u guys seen these yet? gosh 7 more sleeps till S3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails.php?album=1162&page=1

I hope that if she picks Sawyer, it's not because she's being forced to choose/decide the other's fate..

That'd make for good drama, but not fair to whomever she does pick, whether it be Jack or Sawyer.
:undecide:

hav u guys seen these yet? gosh 7 more sleeps till S3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://gallery.lost-media.com/thumbnails.php?album=1162&page=1

Very awesome! Thanks for posting that link. Oh yes, seven more days! :happy_bounce: :Jumpy: Very exciting...

:jump1: Along with the recap episode that ABC will air tonight, Evi will also be on NBC this evening, she is scheduled to appear on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno.


ONLY ONE WEEK left.

Tonight's episode might give us some clue as to which direction the triangle relationships are going, depending on the narration and choice of clips.

The last one, aka The Jack Show, had ALL Jate and not one single Skate scene. The show damn near lost me with that one - everything from Jack's POV as though the other characters were little more than set dressing for his personal adventure. Ugh! (I can't believe they don't know how much dislike and disinterest there is for that character out there now!)

Anyhow, the way they frame the relationship scenes for tonight's show will probably give us the most substantial clue yet as to the direction they plan to take! :42:

Not that I plan to watch the re-cap show, but I hope it covers the scope of the characters and storylines, giving little attention to the "love triangle" situation. It already gets enough over hyped mention via media outlets and internet sites like this one. There are other more interesting aspects of this show.

I swear, TPTB have got us so conditioned. We're like Pavlov's dogs salivating at the trigger ring "triangle" right now. :laughing:. So ridiculous.

Hey there outkasters!

Just read a scan of the tv guide article and it just makes me love Josh's character even more, he is such a lovely guy! I'm loving the way it is looking that sawyer and kate are eventuyally re-united by the end of the first episode, and it appears the others have deliberately isolated jack. I am also loving the description of episode 2 that henry gale has an offer for jack that he may find difficult to refuse! I wonder\ what this could be, culd it have anything to do with jack staying behind with the others.

I've also been thinking what people have been saying about kate being so upset because she is forced to choose someone to remain with the others. What if she chose jack to stay? What if it is this that pushes him to the "dark side" which has been hinted at that we may see a darker side toi jack.

Whatever happens I'm hyped about the amount of skate scenes we must be getting!

Oh and the latest chapter of my fanfic is up finally if anyone's interested :)

The last one, aka The Jack Show, had ALL Jate and not one single Skate scene. The show damn near lost me with that one - everything from Jack's POV as though the other characters were little more than set dressing for his personal adventure
I felt the same way. I don't dislike Jack and I see that his presence is important for the story arc, but I nearly quit watching too when it looked like it was going to become Jack's Island Adventures.

And the recap show might give us clues...or not. If I were doing the recap show, I would make sure that people were as confused as possible by the juxtaposition of the promos and the recaps. Leave everyone wondering is it Jack or is it Sawyer as long as possible.

I'll watch it just because I'm craving for even the tiniest bit of Lost.. and Sawyer lol

Howdy my dear OutKaSts,

I just saw a new promo. Our darlin' boy was still in the cage but he had his arms up and he was whoopin', don't know what that means, but I'm still thinkin' everything's goin' our way.

:cheerleader: Today's cheerleader post...I mean seriously do we really believe that after nearly 2 years of cute little touches, innuendo, the hottest kiss on TV ever and nursing and caring for each other, that TPTB wouldn't put these two together. I mean come on folks...we have the whole season to speculate and I'm still swearin' up one side and down the other that it'll be Skate. It's gonna work out y'all, I believe it in my soul. And so what if it's the Jack show!! I don't particularly care for that, but it doesn't mean that Jack wins, actually it's good for us, because that keeps Josh and Evi on the show that much longer since their stories will take longer to unfold. So it's a win/win either way. And I personally believe that Josh will be there until the last breath of the last show, if for no other reason than Sawyer was one of the only characters actually created when they started the casting. I have always believed that Jack's character was doomed since they had planned to kill him in the pilot...I don't know but that just seems plausible to me.

So don't you worry, my dear OutKaSters, all is well in Skaterville and the natives are having a good old time!!

Huggs,
Lisa

I say we take a mental break and do something fun like...re-write a favorite S/K scene. It can and should be as wheel's off as your imagine can make it. What do you say? Bonus points if you can work Jack crying into the re-write. :biggrin:

Okay y'all, I just had a thought, dangerous I know, but I did...what if him whoopin' and hollerin' with a smile on his face is because she's already told him she loves him. I think they've already taken her from the opposite cage. I think she's told him and he's happy because he's not angry or scared or hurt when he's yellin'.See this is what you catch when you have the TV on soap operas you hate just so you can see if you see anything.

I say we take a mental break and do something fun like...re-write a favorite S/K scene. It can and should be as wheel's off as your imagine can make it. What do you say? Bonus points if you can work Jack crying into the re-write. :biggrin:

Excellent idea Darbi, here goes...

Take the Medicine

Kate and Jack are trying to get Sawyer started on anitbiotics. Jack puts the pill in Sawyer's mouth and he coughs it right back out.

Kate: I can do it.

Jack: No Kate.

Kate: I can do it.

Jack: (heavy sigh)

Kate: Sawyer, it's me Kate. You have to listen to me, okay. The only way that you'll ever get better, is if you take this pill. Okay? Now come on, swallow.

Sawyer takes the medicine and swallows the pill. Kate holds him and cradles his head.

Kate: That's good.

Jack: (watching all this) Good job, I never learned the whole whisper in the ear thing in med school.

Jack walks away and leaves Kate holding Sawyer. Jack walks out of the hatch, tears streaming down his face. He collapses to his knees, sobbing.

Jack: (sobbing) I've lost her. She loves him.

Locke: (coming out of the hatch and hearig Jack) You never had her Jack. Sawyer had her from first time he layed eyes on her. It's fate. They love each other, no matter what, they love each other, and we all know it.

Jack: Yea, John, I know. I don't have to like it though.

Okay how's that?

EDITED to make losttvfan smile...:biggrin:

haha locke "its their destiny"

And the recap show might give us clues...or not. If I were doing the recap show, I would make sure that people were as confused as possible by the juxtaposition of the promos and the recaps. Leave everyone wondering is it Jack or is it Sawyer as long as possible.
Exactly. And this is precisely why I'm not too jazzed to watch the recap show tonight. I'm fully expecting it to turn into the Jack-hour...and I'm just not interested. :rolleyes:

Do you think we're being too optimistic about the outcome of Skate? I'm worrying. Someone make me feel better..
:sob:

I felt the same way. I don't dislike Jack and I see that his presence is important for the story arc, but I nearly quit watching too when it looked like it was going to become Jack's Island Adventures.

And the recap show might give us clues...or not. If I were doing the recap show, I would make sure that people were as confused as possible by the juxtaposition of the promos and the recaps. Leave everyone wondering is it Jack or is it Sawyer as long as possible.


I don't put too much stock into the recaps. They are there to bring in new viewers and act as a refresh for the established fans. The last recap was very Jack heavy and I expect tonights to be very Jack heavy cause the second season was all about Jack. He was everywhere last season which got to be annoying, to put it nicely. I'll be watching for a new promo.

you guys are seriously killing me here you know that? :rotflmao2: i'm gonna have to get myself over to that Southern Pervert Mini-Mart and get whatever drugs you all are on...:biggrin:

:biglaugh: i was wondering about that; whether anyone was going to bring it up again soon!

I hope that if she picks Sawyer, it's not because she's being forced to choose/decide the other's fate..

That'd make for good drama, but not fair to whomever she does pick, whether it be Jack or Sawyer.
:undecide:
I'll watch it just because I'm craving for even the tiniest bit of Lost.. and Sawyer lol

I agree with both these posts entirely!

Howdy my dear OutKaSts,

I just saw a new promo. Our darlin' boy was still in the cage but he had his arms up and he was whoopin', don't know what that means, but I'm still thinkin' everything's goin' our way.

:cheerleader: Today's cheerleader post...I mean seriously do we really believe that after nearly 2 years of cute little touches, innuendo, the hottest kiss on TV ever and nursing and caring for each other, that TPTB wouldn't put these two together. I mean come on folks...we have the whole season to speculate and I'm still swearin' up one side and down the other that it'll be Skate. It's gonna work out y'all, I believe it in my soul. And so what if it's the Jack show!! I don't particularly care for that, but it doesn't mean that Jack wins, actually it's good for us, because that keeps Josh and Evi on the show that much longer since their stories will take longer to unfold. So it's a win/win either way. And I personally believe that Josh will be there until the last breath of the last show, if for no other reason than Sawyer was one of the only characters actually created when they started the casting. I have always believed that Jack's character was doomed since they had planned to kill him in the pilot...I don't know but that just seems plausible to me.

So don't you worry, my dear OutKaSters, all is well in Skaterville and the natives are having a good old time!!

Huggs,
Lisa

Thanks as always, Lisa! (ha ha - rah! rah! rah!) :cheerleader:

Do you think we're being too optimistic about the outcome of Skate? I'm worrying. Someone make me feel better..
:sob:

see above ^^ Don't worry!

thanks! I do feel a little bit better.. I'm just being paranoid I suppose.. It's so soon to the firt real epi, my mind is going into overdrive!

Lisa, you forgot to have Locke say, "And we all know it!" :biglaugh:

Do you think we're being too optimistic about the outcome of Skate? I'm worrying. Someone make me feel better..
:sob:

Oh my dear SG88, do you really believe that after anearly 2 seasons of everything that's happened between our dear Sawyer and Kate and the writers and all the creators would play with us like that. If you listed every incident of cuteness and "love" between Jack and Kate and then listed every one of Sawyer and Kate, guess which list would be longer.

I have no crystal ball hon, and I don't know any more than any one else, but I sure don't see how we could be that far off. So chin up hon...it'll be okay....Keep the faith!!

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

P.S. Okay Darb, I edited...hehehe

Here's today's new promo for tonight's recap episode:


Note Sawyer's huge whoop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luyYGUxk44

Okay OutKaSters,

Everybody sing the Sara Lee bread song with me...

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy Joy!!!!! :group:

Huggs,
Lisa

Well, shoot. I just went to watch the recap, and they aren't showing it here (Atlanta)...however, I DID get to see the Kauffman Close-Up special with Matthew Fox, and they addressed Jack's new love interest (showing a picture of Juliet). He got a smile on his face at the mention of her, and said that she is "definitely potential" for a new Love Interest for Jack. She's the first person he meets in captivity, but the circumstances under which they meet are so intense and there's so much going on, that the potential would come "further down the road". I'm paraphrasing, I scribbled some notes.

From all these different spoilers/angles, it really looks to me like Kate's choice is becoming clearer and clearer...and it's going to be Sawyer!
Foxy looked great...talked about how happy he & his family are in Hawaii, his kids love it there.

I don't put too much stock into the recaps. They are there to bring in new viewers and act as a refresh for the established fans. The last recap was very Jack heavy and I expect tonights to be very Jack heavy cause the second season was all about Jack. He was everywhere last season which got to be annoying, to put it nicely. I'll be watching for a new promo.

totally agree Luanne it's all about promotion for new viewers. And probbably will be Jack heavy cause the season was Jack heavy to a high degree. I see no point in watching it anyways cause i saw last season and don't need a damn recap teeeheee

:biglaugh: i was wondering about that; whether anyone was going to bring it up again soon!
!

well Katie it was just too good not to bring up again, can never visit that store enough ;)

Lisa, you forgot to have Locke say, "And we all know it!" :biglaugh:

:rotflmao: i can hear Locke saying that too :biggrin:

Okay OutKaSters,

Everybody sing the Sara Lee bread song with me...

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy Joy!!!!! :group:

Huggs,
Lisa
OMG your enthusiasm knows no bounds Lisa, you will always be our best cheeleader :biggrin:
all i can thnk of is that Ren and Stimpy episode when Ren's doing this --->:bonk: while singing that song, cracks me up everytime :biglaugh:

i'm one someonee else's computer tonight so i''m not on Yahoo, so *waves to her Yahoo mates*

And the only way for me to rewrite a scene is to have the transcripts and i don't :frown: but i'll think of something..
Losttvfan ;) you need to get yourself over to the role play and have Kate smack some sense into Jack and Sawyer LOL They're fighting again...

Well, shoot. I just went to watch the recap, and they aren't showing it here (Atlanta)...however, I DID get to see the Kauffman Close-Up special with Matthew Fox, and they addressed Jack's new love interest (showing a picture of Juliet). He got a smile on his face at the mention of her, and said that she is "definitely potential" for a new Love Interest for Jack. She's the first person he meets in captivity, but the circumstances under which they meet are so intense and there's so much going on, that the potential would come "further down the road". I'm paraphrasing, I scribbled some notes.

From all these different spoilers/angles, it really looks to me like Kate's choice is becoming clearer and clearer...and it's going to be Sawyer!
Foxy looked great...talked about how happy he & his family are in Hawaii, his kids love it there.

What a terrific post!! I'm glad to hear all is well!
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Here's today's new promo for tonight's recap episode:


Note Sawyer's huge whoop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luyYGUxk44


I can't wait to find out what that's all about!

OMG your enthusiasm knows no bounds Lisa, you will always be our best cheeleader :biggrin:
all i can thnk of is that Ren and Stimpy episode when Ren's doing this --->:bonk: while singing that song, cracks me up everytime :biglaugh:

Thank you Fricks!!! I just love being a cheerleader...I didn't make it in high school...

Okay everyone here's a little bit of information about the recap show.

Thankfully it was not the Jack show. There was an even amount of Jate and Skate but I did notice that the Jate scenes they picked did not show anything that was particularly romantic. The Jate scenes were primarily the way he talked to her after the others took her, the "damaged goods" comment, the kiss and a couple of others that I can't remember right now. There was nothing particularly romantic.

As far as the Skate scenes, we had the "weak in the loins" scene from Season 1. Unfortunately there was no shot of the season 1 kiss, which doesn't really surprise me as I didn't really expect it to be there. We got the banana scene and most importantly after the Season 1 kiss...we got the pill scene. There was no mention of the Sana sex though, which I was pleased about.

That's about all I can remember right now, so if anyone else has anything to add, please speak up...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

apoiler fonting just in case...


They put the pill scene and the banana scene in SQUEEEEE :biggrin: that's a far cry from from the last one where we barely got any Skate at all :frown: but it just sounds like something to get the new viewers caught up and refresh the old ones. Not that we need refreshing at all. I am glad there was no mention of the Sana sex though.. that's the only thing that bugs me, like a big old anvil hangin over their heads, and ours as well. Oh Sawyer you stupid, stupid man why'd you do that? oh what i know why, cause he's a guy that's why :rolleyes:


ok i think i got a scene...
silent scene at the end of 23rd Pslam :biggrin:
*Sawyer looks at himself in the mirror*
KATE: Sawyer will you stop primping you look fine...
SAWYER: damn Freckles what did you use? Garden shears, cause i think one sides shorter than the other..
KATE (reaches up) says with indignance: It is not...
*starts to tussle with Sawyer for the mirror*
KATE: give it back if your not gonna be nice..
SAWYER: (grabbing her wrists) since when am ever nice darlin?
*cut to Jack walking up, squinting even though it's not that sunny*
*Jack thinking* why can't she cut my hair like that? oh yeah...
*Sawyer and Kate thinking* Damn it'shim..gotta let go of eachother..
JACK(handing Sawyer the pills) here ya go, think you can remember to take em in the middle of all your sittin around doin nothin?
SAWYER: when you put it that way Dr. Quinn, you make it sound so difficult and all..
Jack simply glares at Sawyer and walks off unhappy..
KATE: thought he'd never leave..
SAWYER: (picking up Kate's wrists again) where were we? oh yeah, your barber skills darlin, they leave much to be desired..
KATE: (smiling in spite of herself) your lucky your cute...
SAWYER: am not.. esp with this haircut..

well i know it sucks but it was the best i can do teehee

It's on right now! and I did see his whoop of joy... I;m going to squeee myself to death right now...
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They showed the Jate kiss, but not the Skate kiss.. I'm only 20 minutes into it.. so :/

I have to say that after watching the recap that I am not encouraged about Skate. By my count there were at least 8 scenes of Jate and 3 of Skate. But it's possible that we are being lead astray so that the general public will be surprised. But I don't feel very encouraged. I am very happy that we are beginning a new season.

It could just be a matter of the story lines they chose to focus on had a lot of Jack and Kate involvement, you know. Or
they were trying to counteract the avalanche of "it's gonna be Skate!" declarations.

Hard to know. Glad that by this time next week, this forum's gonna be SIZZLING with posts about Eppy 3.1! :clap:

It could just be a matter of the story lines they chose to focus on had a lot of Jack and Kate involvement, you know. Or
they were trying to counteract the avalanche of "it's gonna be Skate!" declarations.

Hard to know. Glad that by this time next week, this forum's gonna be SIZZLING with posts about Eppy 3.1! :clap: I agree STH.

I was thrilled Henry was narrating but I was none too impressed by all of it. Don't get me wrong I loved it but I was like jeeze already just get the season started. So I wasn't impartial. :rolleyes:

I was ready to cut my throat after the last recap show, but I was really happy with this one. I thought it did a really good job of establishing the triangle, which is what we want going into the new season. (Isn't it?)

Of course, there were several Jate scenes, establishing the mutual attraction of Jack and Kate from the start: the stitching up scene; the exchange of names; the shower flirtation; the kiss; Jack refusing to let her come along in THP; Jack asking if she's OK after she's released; the invitation to go along with him in SOS; "I'm flattered" (gag!); "I'm sorry I kissed you." "I'm not.", Jack carrying Kate after she's hit by the dart and The Look/Blink.

They clearly established that Jack and Kate care about each other, but the voice-over introducing their kiss said something along the lines of "their issues are just beginning."

The Skate scenes were somewhat fewer, but I think they showed an interesting progression. We had: Sawyer asking what was it makes her so "weak in the loins" about Jack in The Moth, getting defensive and saying he and Jack aren't so different, Kate calling him a "pig" (very high school - hee); Kate seeing an unconscious Sawyer over Eko's shoulder; the pill scene intimacy and tenderness; the flirty banana scene; Sawyer's reactions to Kate threatened by Zeke in THP; his "Don't beat yourself up over it, Freckles." pep talk at the end of THP; Kate's distress over him being hit by the dart in LTDA.

Most interestingly, the voiceover setting up the flirty banana scene (after the pill scene) said, "Relationships evolved." Everything after that showed the more mature and caring Sawyer, and I think they clearly established that he has real feelings for her, and she for him. Kate's feelings for Sawyer, or his for her, were also alluded to in some of the Jate scenes, IMO, just by the way they were cut. For example, Jack yelling at her that she can't come along in THP included the apologetic look from Sawyer before he turned and headed off with Jack. The Jate kiss sequence included Jack telling her he'd gotten back to the hatch and found Sawyer on the floor and her gone, with Kate immediately jumping up and asking if he's alright, turning to go back to him, before Jack grabbed her arm etc.

Contrast this to the last clip show, which included not one single Skate scene, and for which the voice-over for the Jate kiss was something along the lines of "What do you do when you want to stay but are scared..blah-blah. Do you follow you head or your heart?" Something all angsty and emotional, in any case. From that episode, you would have thought Skate was a trivial flirtation, if that, since no actual flirting was even shown. Not this time. IMO, they've put Skate and Jate on something of an equal footing in terms of showing that both men having real feelings toward Kate, and that Kate is attracted to both and has real feelings for both. In the last recap show, they showed only ONE "significant relationship", in this one they clearly established the credibility of TWO, and I'm very pleased about that. :D

They've set the stage to show the next step in the evolution of Skate, growing closeness in life-threatening circumstances. The clip show clearly set that up to be believable by giving Skate a credibility it had not gotten from the clip shows before... this seems like a HUGE advance to me! :D

ETA - I found this little post by pacejunkie over in the spoiler threads. It made me smile, so I thought I'd bring it over here.
Talking about what a relationship between Kate and Sawyer might look like, pacejunkie posted:
If she gets with Sawyer, I can't imagine anything will change. They've seemed like a couple to me lately anyway. Kate hangs at his tent, helps him with his physical therapy, brings him food, reads him magazines, plays poker with him. He protects her from bad Others, pulls her inside when it rains, gives her a shoulder to cry on when someone dies. I mean, aren't they essentially like a couple already?

I was ready to cut my throat after the last recap show, but I was really happy with this one. I thought it did a really good job of establishing the triangle, which is what we want going into the new season. (Isn't it?)

Of course, there were several Jate scenes, establishing the mutual attraction of Jack and Kate from the start: the stitching up scene; the exchange of names; the shower flirtation; the kiss; Jack refusing to let her come along in THP; Jack asking if she's OK after she's released; the invitation to go along with him in SOS; "I'm flattered" (gag!); "I'm sorry I kissed you." "I'm not.", Jack carrying Kate after she's hit by the dart and The Look/Blink.

They clearly established that Jack and Kate care about each other, but the voice-over introducing their kiss said something along the lines of "their issues are just beginning."

The Skate scenes were somewhat fewer, but I think they showed an interesting progression. We had: Sawyer asking what was it makes her so "weak in the loins" about Jack in The Moth, getting defensive and saying he and Jack aren't so different, Kate calling him a "pig" (very high school - hee); Kate seeing an unconscious Sawyer over Eko's shoulder; the pill scene intimacy and tenderness; the flirty banana scene; Sawyer's reactions to Kate threatened by Zeke in THP; his "Don't beat yourself up over it, Freckles." pep talk at the end of THP; Kate's distress over him being hit by the dart in LTDA.

Most interestingly, the voiceover setting up the flirty banana scene (after the pill scene) said, "Relationships evolved." Everything after that showed the more mature and caring Sawyer, and I think they clearly established that he has real feelings for her, and she for him. Kate's feelings for Sawyer, or his for her, were also alluded to in some of the Jate scenes, IMO, just by the way they were cut. For example, Jack yelling at her that she can't come along in THP included the apologetic look from Sawyer before he turned and headed off with Jack. The Jate kiss sequence included Jack telling her he'd gotten back to the hatch and found Sawyer on the floor and her gone, with Kate immediately jumping up and asking if he's alright, turning to go back to him, before Jack grabbed her arm etc.

Contrast this to the last clip show, which included not one single Skate scene, and for which the voice-over for the Jate kiss was something along the lines of "What do you do when you want to stay but are scared..blah-blah. Do you follow you head or your heart?" Something all angsty and emotional, in any case. From that episode, you would have thought Skate was a trivial flirtation, if that, since no actual flirting was even shown. Not this time. IMO, they've put Skate and Jate on something of an equal footing in terms of showing that both men having real feelings toward Kate, and that Kate is attracted to both and has real feelings for both. In the last recap show, they showed only ONE "significant relationship", in this one they clearly established the credibility of TWO, and I'm very pleased about that. :D

They've set the stage to show the next step in the evolution of Skate, growing closeness in life-threatening circumstances. The clip show clearly set that up to be believable by giving Skate a credibility it had not gotten from the clip shows before... this seems like a HUGE advance to me! :D

ETA - I found this little post by pacejunkie over in the spoiler threads. It made me smile, so I thought I'd bring it over here.
Talking about what a relationship between Kate and Sawyer might look like, pacejunkie posted:



:thumbup: Amazing post as usual Dez!

What I found most interesting about last night:


was the four negative encounters between Kate and Jack. His telling her "you're not coming" (and Sawyer's glance of apology), his obvious anger when she was captured, the way he turned away from her even as he asked "are you OK", and the dismissive way he walked past her when they returned to the beach, ignoring her attempt to explain her actions.

These scenes do not paint Jate in good light and that is what surprised me. They made Jack look paternal, controlling, and pissy when his orders aren't followed. He treats her like a wayward child and cuts her out when he doesn't approve of her actions. And we saw a bit of Kate's desire for his approval and how needy she becomes when he treats her this way. This not healthy, not attractive, and IMO not romantic!



There was a better balance of Jate and Skate last night than ever before, but the emphasis seemed to be on the real emotions Kate has for Sawyer (the pill scene), the flirty, sexy, fun they have together (the banana scene) and the contrast they showed in the clips of Jack being Jack and trying to control her was pretty amazing. The VO even suggested one relationship was ending and the other was growing and evolving and would be explored and developed even further in S3. That, taken with the promos we are seeing, IMO sets the stage for next Wednesday!


I did love the post you brought over from the spoiler thread,


that opinion, the preception that Kate and Sawyer are already a "couple" may be more common than we realize among the average, non-shipping fans.....and good new for us!

:

There was a better balance of Jate and Skate last night than ever before, but the emphasis seemed to be on the real emotions Kate has for Sawyer (the pill scene), the flirty, sexy, fun they have together (the banana scene) and the contrast they showed in the clips of Jack being Jack and trying to control her was pretty amazing. The VO even suggested one relationship was ending and the other was growing and evolving and would be explored and developed even further in S3. That, taken with the promos we are seeing, IMO sets the stage for next Wednesday!


Right losttv, I always say, its better to....

Have more quality over quantity. I think even though there were fewer Skate scenes they were much deeper. Kate still even when she told Jack she was sorry she kissed him, if it was indeed a lie, has trouble being real around him. She still ran from that kiss and I have yet to see the 2 of them really open up to one another (i.e.the Skate I never scene) I still wonder if Jack knows half the things Kate has done on the island, or what shes really capable of. Im pretty sure hes clueless on the whole poison thing, and the lengths she went to to get the Marshalls case back from Sawyer. Not to mention I doubt he knows the whole reason why Kate went with Claire to the other hatch. She only told him some of that.

While on the other hand the skate scenes shown, were portraying Sawyers jealousy, Kates growing concern for him, her fear for his life, their growing attraction to one another, the mutual respect. One of these couples seem more adult to me and Im beginning to think more and more that Jate if it ever got enough wind to blow steam would be very short term, and Skate has more long term potential now.

Desdemona, Wonderful rant as usual, and I have to say I agree with pacejunkie...

ETA - I found this little post by pacejunkie over in the spoiler threads. It made me smile, so I thought I'd bring it over here.

Talking about what a relationship between Kate and Sawyer might look like, pacejunkie posted:

If she gets with Sawyer, I can't imagine anything will change. They've seemed like a couple to me lately anyway. Kate hangs at his tent, helps him with his physical therapy, brings him food, reads him magazines, plays poker with him. He protects her from bad Others, pulls her inside when it rains, gives her a shoulder to cry on when someone dies. I mean, aren't they essentially like a couple already?
Spoiler reply...
Yeah, my mom and a couple other people I know have said the same thing. Infact my mom whos not an avid viewer catches the show from time to time asked me 'arent they already a couple?' lol.

And on a side note, I find it interesting, and maybe Im speaking from a biased perspective here, that s2 started to go downhil after Skate broke up. After TLC, things seemed to fall apart. Now that right there tells me, a recipe for success has Skate as an ingredient. ;)

:thumbup: Amazing post as usual Dez!
Thanks! :D

What I found most interesting about last night:


was the four negative encounters between Kate and Jack. His telling "you're not coming" (and Sawyer's glance of apology), he obvious anger when she was captured, the way he turned away from her even as he asked "are you OK", and the dismissive way he walked past her when they returned to the beach, ignoring her attempt to explain her actions.

These scenes do not paint Jate in good light and that is what surprised me. They made Jack look paternal, controlling, and pissy when his orders aren't followed. He treats her like a wayward child and cuts her out when he doesn't approve of her actions. And we saw a bit of Kate's desire for his approval and how needy she becomes when he treats her this way. This not healthy, not attractive, and IMO not romantic!
I think you're spot on in this observation. I really did get a sense of the one relationship was either stagnating or winding down... no forward progress after a certain point, while the other was still evolving, still had potential. The only negative scene they showed for Skate was the one from The Moth, but even that demonstrated Sawyer's interest in her from early on (while showing an immaturity to it). It also set it up for us to see Kate's attitude go from uninterested and dismissive in that scene to receptive and very interested in the banana scene, so a progression was established. . :D

There was a better balance of Jate and Skate last night than ever before, but the emphasis seemed to be on the real emotions Kate has for Sawyer (the pill scene), the flirty, sexy, fun they have together (the banana scene) and the contrast they showed in the clips of Jack being Jack and trying to control her was pretty amazing. The VO even suggested one relationship was ending and the other was growing and evolving and would be explored and developed even further in S3. That, taken with the promos we are seeing, IMO sets the stage for next Wednesday!

I totally agree! I'm more than ever looking forward to the start of the new season!

I feel like the worst 'Lost' fan ever. I never watch the re-cap shows. The thought of trying to compact two seasons and represent ALL the characters, the thrust of the show and the more significant events that have happened properly, just gives me tired head. :blush:

I'm glad they showed the pill scene, not only did they show Kate's apparent tenderness and concern for Sawyer, it also showed Jack's jealousy/almost bordering on disgust. I think that's a good sign for us Skaters in Season 3!

Hey Outkasters!

Just watched the re-cap show and I for one am quite pleased.

Firstly I was glad that the love triangle reallyt wasn't emphasised much at all. There were a few jate scenes and a few skate scenes but most of it was talking about desmond, the hatches and the others. Infact the relationship that seemed to get more focus was the charlie/claire one. I was glad of this because although who kate picks is a massive deal to us shipers, I'm glad the writers are still showing it to only be a sub-plot of the show.

For me there were three things that I found encouraging. Firstly they showed the scene that has always stuck in my min fron the moth sawyer saying in regards to Jack "the difference between us aint that big sweetheart." I thought this was really interesting thing to show, and the fact that they cut it straight after he had said that rather than continuing the scene with kate running off to help get jack out. I really think that the writers have been hinting that we are going to see a change is jack's character and I tyhought that this line further emphasied this. I've a;lways thought they were going to align the two characters more whenever kate decides between them (I thought this even before we heard she wqould choose in the first 6 episodes). I've always thought that the premise jack is the good guy and sawyer the bad guy was far to simplistic, and whilst showing a darker side of jack they will show more reeming qualities of sawyer, maybe through him caring for kate in captivity, beinbg more heroic etc. Its the old nature vs nurture debate, are the way the two characters are down to their upbringing. If jack had gone through the same childhood as sawyer would he be just as messed up and vise versa with sawyer. I've always found the jack/sawyer relationship intriguing and I hope it is explored more in s3.

The second thing I was really pleased about was the skate scenes they chose to show. They were sweet, tender and flirty (I would have liked to see kate admitting she had feelings for him scene and the hug, but like I saisd the emphasis wasn't really on the trinagle.) They didn't show any of TLC angst or her subsequent anger at him or the sana incident which made me pleased. I thought the fact the voice over said "and new relationships evolved" or something along those lines during the kate throwing a banana scene was really interesting as well.

I thought the choice of jate scenes was interesting as well. The majority of scenes showed jack's displeasure etc with her during and after THP and obviously they would show the kiss, but I really can't see how an objective viewer I(and I'm talking a non-shipper) wouldn't think that she was plain freaked out by what she just did after she kissed him. People can interpret it how they want but I thought it then and I think it now that she instantly thought "what have I done" when she looked atr him after kissing him. I thought the only nice jate scene they showed was the shower one, that aways cracks me up, but again, there is nothing to indicate kate has feelings for him then only jacks attraction to her.

I would say that this is the first re-cap episode that shows both couples on an equal footing. Infact if I had to choose which came across better I would have to say skate because of their choice of jate scenes.

As for the preview afterwards sawyer's "whoop" is a bit out of place lol, but I'm gladc we see him happy at some point!

All in all the re-cap made me no less optimistic about skate and maybe slightly more than I was before!

It appears that the recap last night from beginning to end, was showing the relationship between Jack & Kate gradually fall apart, while at the same time, it was presenting the positive development of the relationship between Sawyer and Kate.

And I watched more closely the kiss between Jack and Kate. She started off fighting Jack off. I focused in on Kate's face. She looked very confused and pre-occupied, then after the kiss, she looked shocked and afraid. All she could do was run, just as she tends to do. It was obvious that Jack was worried about her - he didn't expect that kiss.
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Glad that by this time next week, this forum's gonna be SIZZLING with posts about Eppy 3.1! :clap:

I imagine it's going to be impossible for me to even log on for several days after Wednesday night! :irked:

Bringin up the 'The Moth' was interesting cause it was the last epi before CM, It might have been the last 'true' Jate epi in terms of Sawyers influence on that relationshp. Cause after that he became a pretty big distraction for her, she was around him more and more. it set up CM.. In that epi you had Kate at her hypocritical worst, being a little snooty and condennsnding towards Sawyer, in other words, judgemental. You got Sawyer being rather immature at getting back to her, although i had to admit at the time that i loved when he hit her back with the Jack thing, i thought after the way she was acting she had it coming but still very immarture on his part. It's a good point to start with. And you saw Kate's perception of him gradually change starting in CM with the letter. She's the only one who knew the contents and that's a huge amount of trust to show someone that, even it was to inspire the wrong impression. The kiss, the revelation, a solid foundation to start a rocky relationship.

They've always seem to have a comfort level with eachother that seems to be lacking a bit with Jate. Jate is awkard but maybe it's supposed to be that way. But to me i would think in any relationship, it's not all about the angst and not being able to relax 'the omg i can't trink straight around him, don't know what i should do' stuff. But the times when you can sit with eachother and just do silly little things, or just hang out. It shouldn't always be about stressing out all the time. Like Kate said to Jack 'fun is good' And i do agree with this..

If she gets with Sawyer, I can't imagine anything will change. They've seemed like a couple to me lately anyway. Kate hangs at his tent, helps him with his physical therapy, brings him food, reads him magazines, plays poker with him. He protects her from bad Others, pulls her inside when it rains, gives her a shoulder to cry on when someone dies. I mean, aren't they essentially like a couple already?



It's funny cause i've always seen them that way myself..

If they got together i could see them having the same type of relationship, the banter the horsing around, and even the issues would be the same, they are a couple in every way but one critical one and maybe it's time that they got that part out of the way too. They should just give into the inevitbable here.

And i've heard some on the other side say that non-shippers and off-line people prefer Jate and don't even recognize Skate exists.. i think that's been proven wrong. Kate and Sawyer act more like a couple than she and Jack do and it's starting to show.


damn it's less than a week now.....:biggrin:

Well, you all gave me much to think about regarding the recap show. At the very least, whoever did the editing did a great job of keeping all of us still wondering which direction the triangle will go and who Kate will choose. I'm clearing my calendar for next Wednesday and the only phone calls I'll accept had better involve blood and/or a genuine emergency. Whatever happens, it looks as if S3 is going to be a much wilder ride than S2. (Insert Sawyer whoop from promo here!)

Howdy OutKaSts,

Losttvfan and I are on the phone right now...yes, we're plotting again. And here is what we've come up with.
Here's a thought for us to ponder in this last 6 days until the new season...:Jumpy:

Before you answer this, please watch this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luyYGUxk44

Okay now that you've seen it, what do you suppose the "whoop" represents?

Choose from the list below or you may come up with one of your own. I'll list the options in spoiler, just in case.1. Kate just told him she loves him.

2. The "cavalry" is comin' to save the day.

3. Room service has arrived.

4. Jack is crying again.

5. Zeke just had a heart attack and dropped dead at Sawyer's feet.

6. The Astro's won the World Series.

This is obviously a happy sound he's making. Anybody got any other ideas??

:cheerleader: And now for today's cheer...I can't believe we only have 6 days left. Is anybody even going to be able to breathe on Wednesday? I probably won't leave the house. I am so pleased with the recap show, it had the perfect balance of Skate and Jate, which we must acknowledge so that was good. And how much better could it get, we had the pill scene and the banana scene, though I would have liked to have seen a comparison in the kisses, and of course the hug scene would have been good. But in my never to be quiet or humble opinion, I think they didn't show those scenes because it would have been giving too much away.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

Lisa, I second the nomination that you are the official cheerleader. :clapping: I just love your enthusiasm, girl. :group: Thanks for being you!

I have gotten to the point where I don't really care who Kate picks. Just pick someone and let's get on with the show. I'm sooo anxious to see what happens with Sayid and I'm curious about Jin and Sun and their baby and Charlie and his addictive personality and well, just all of it. Jate or Skate is a good part of the reason I watch LOST but the recap showed me all the other reasons. I am putting in my stock of Dharma chips and dip now for the premier.


1. Kate just told him she loves him.

2. The "cavalry" is comin' to save the day.

3. Room service has arrived.

4. Jack is crying again.

5. Zeke just had a heart attack and dropped dead at Sawyer's feet.

6. The Astro's won the World Series.




Wonderful ideas, Lisa

Personally I think it's more of a "Bring it ON!!!" whoop. Sort of a war cry to get pumped up for battle.

Howdy OutKaSts,

Losttvfan and I are on the phone right now...yes, we're plotting again. And here is what we've come up with.
Here's a thought for us to ponder in this last 6 days until the new season...:Jumpy:

Before you answer this, please watch this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luyYGUxk44

Okay now that you've seen it, what do you suppose the "whoop" represents?

Choose from the list below or you may come up with one of your own. I'll list the options in spoiler, just in case.1. Kate just told him she loves him.

2. The "cavalry" is comin' to save the day.

3. Room service has arrived.

4. Jack is crying again.

5. Zeke just had a heart attack and dropped dead at Sawyer's feet.

6. The Astro's won the World Series.

This is obviously a happy sound he's making. Anybody got any other ideas??

:cheerleader: And now for today's cheer...I can't believe we only have 6 days left. Is anybody even going to be able to breathe on Wednesday? I probably won't leave the house. I am so pleased with the recap show, it had the perfect balance of Skate and Jate, which we must acknowledge so that was good. And how much better could it get, we had the pill scene and the banana scene, though I would have liked to have seen a comparison in the kisses, and of course the hug scene would have been good. But in my never to be quiet or humble opinion, I think they didn't show those scenes because it would have been giving too much away.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

Lisa: You know I am going with -- 2. The "cavalry" is comin' to save the day.

:rolleyes: I think we have seen enough to know,


that the whole gang is comin' to rescue their friends. About time this group banded together and got some payback. It appears that Locke, Hurley and Charlie are there. Sayid, Jin and Sun are on board and...I believe that Eko and Desmond are going to take part. This is exciting! Everyone has complained that this bunch doesn't share information or really unite as a group.....looks like they finally have and they are going into "commando" mode and Sawyer just saw the cavalry arrive!


:redface: Less than a week to go!

Well, you all gave me much to think about regarding the recap show. At the very least, whoever did the editing did a great job of keeping all of us still wondering which direction the triangle will go and who Kate will choose. I'm clearing my calendar for next Wednesday and the only phone calls I'll accept had better involve blood and/or a genuine emergency. Whatever happens, it looks as if S3 is going to be a much wilder ride than S2. (Insert Sawyer whoop from promo here!)

:1smiling: It all sounds good. Haven't seen the recap but I'm not even sure if it would even affect what's gonna happen in Season 3, maybe it is literally just a recap - and in that sense shows us the more positive elements of the Skate 'relationship' compared to the Jate.
Wish I could join you Perdue and everyone else too in watching the first epi live, don't know if anything would get me to answer the phone if I was :laugh: - anyway, I'll hopefully see it by the weekend, sadly I'll be away from Thursday morning until Friday night so won't even know what you're all saying here - is gonna kill me having to wait!

I think Season 3 already looks like it's gonna be better than last season too :biggrin:

omg i cant wait

she better pick sawyer

I don't know how y'all can watch those preview shows! I mean, I watched it for about 3 minutes before I got fuzzy in my stomach and had to turn it off. Its bad enough that we have to wait 6 more days, but to watch something that is going to drive me to having a seizure with anticipation is a little bit more than I can handle. :smile: thanks for all the recaps of the recap though!

6 MORE DAYS!!! :Jumpy: :happy_bounce:

How about "none of the above," Lisa? What if
he throws that big ol' rock he grabbed in the promo pix at the button over and over again, until food shows up--without him getting electrocuted?
That'd be a :toot: moment for ME!






WHY isn't it Wednesday yet? :crybaby:

What a wonderful idea Lisa and Losttv, you 2 are so creative...

Well I think Im gonna go with one not on the list too...

Think Sawyers whoopin cause he just broke the lock on his cage...Otherwise I think hes doing it to mock his cell mate, that other guy, cause we all know how Sawyer digs the sarcasm.

Either way, very interested in that scene, cause I dont see much he can be happy about then and there short of Kate telling him she loves him ;).

Just my take. :)

I don't know how y'all can watch those preview shows! I mean, I watched it for about 3 minutes before I got fuzzy in my stomach and had to turn it off. Its bad enough that we have to wait 6 more days, but to watch something that is going to drive me to having a seizure with anticipation is a little bit more than I can handle. :smile: thanks for all the recaps of the recap though!

6 MORE DAYS!!! :Jumpy: :happy_bounce:

Hang in there Ghosty, you'll make it hon...just be glad it's not 8 days or 15 days...

How about "none of the above," Lisa? What if
he throws that big ol' rock he grabbed in the promo pix at the button over and over again, until food shows up--without him getting electrocuted?
That'd be a :toot: moment for ME!
WHY isn't it Wednesday yet? :crybaby:

It's funny you should say that STH, I actually thought that might be an option too...

Just think ya'll, this time tomorrow it'll only be 5 days. :Jumpy: Okay who's planning on not even trying to get any work done next Wednesday? And, I suggest we all play hookey on Thursday because nobody is gonna be coherent enough to actually go to their jobs.

Guess it really is a blessing that I'm unemployeed at the time.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

PS. Chapter 5 is almost ready...

Interesting spoiler/foilers over at the Jate thread. I think I'm allowed to bring them here. If not, Hafrek or one of the other mods, accept my apologies and just delete, please

http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristi...06/060929.html (http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2006/060929.html)

Lost Tease-o-Rama: Lost fans, get ready. 'Cause as executive producer Bryan Burk puts it, "We're opening up a whole new world for you in season three." And he isn't kidding.

There are enough holy crap! moments in only the first handful of episodes of the new season to make you realize that (a) the show just keeps spiraling into completely new and unexpected territory and (b) you'll need a lifetime supply of Charmin on hand to watch it.

Not only do we dig deep into the Others' storyline (the main focus of the first six episodes), we also meet the red-hot (like, seriously, don't look directly at them, or your eyes will burn) newbies Rodrigo Santoro and Kiele Sanchez, whose onscreen chemistry just might make you forget about ol' Jack and Sawyer and what's her name. Okay, maybe not, but still. Quote:

Now, here are the Lost teases I can share:

1. Two people close to Sun die (note: they are "close" to her in very different ways).
2. That kiss you've seen in the promos isn't exactly what it seems.
3. There is going to be another kiss.
4. Two Losties have sex in Jack's bed.
5. We see Sawyer as a bona fide wuss (for good reason)--and learn a secret that reveals he has an entirely different role in life than we (or he) ever knew.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I leave for a few hours and I come back and all hades has been loosed.

Talk about spin control. Is the kiss between Sawyer and Kate really that big a deal where we have everyone from Gregg to Ausiello to Kristen tossing out "not what you think" confusers? Not to mention it was yanked out of that promo for 'Lost' probably minutes after it originally aired?

Man alive...they are milking this bad boy for everything it's worth...and it's working, because it sure has folks in quite the tissy behind it. :rolleyes:

Oct 4th can't come quick enough.

Howdy OutKaSts,

Losttvfan and I are on the phone right now...yes, we're plotting again. And here is what we've come up with.
Here's a thought for us to ponder in this last 6 days until the new season...:Jumpy:

Before you answer this, please watch this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7luyYGUxk44

Okay now that you've seen it, what do you suppose the "whoop" represents?

Choose from the list below or you may come up with one of your own. I'll list the options in spoiler, just in case.1. Kate just told him she loves him.

2. The "cavalry" is comin' to save the day.

3. Room service has arrived.

4. Jack is crying again.

5. Zeke just had a heart attack and dropped dead at Sawyer's feet.

6. The Astro's won the World Series.

This is obviously a happy sound he's making. Anybody got any other ideas??



omgoodness how to pick... think i'm gonna have to go with #2 but #4 is funny, mean but funny.. :biggrin: although part of me hopes it would be #1, not likely though..
as far as

Zeke dyiing, i think
Sawyer would more po'd about that cause he didn't get to do it himself..

but another 2 scenarios...
it's cause he just figured something out with opening his cage and all... or he just saw Kate get free herself...

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I leave for a few hours and I come back and all hades has been loosed.

Talk about spin control. Is the kiss between Sawyer and Kate really that big a deal where we have everyone from Gregg to Ausiello to Kristen tossing out "not what you think" confusers? Not to mention it was yanked out of that promo for 'Lost' probably minutes after it originally aired?

Man alive...they are milking this bad boy for everything it's worth...and it's working, because it sure has folks in quite the tissy behind it. :rolleyes:

Oct 4th can't come quick enough.

Darbi i agree.. and far as..

the whole thing is very intriguing, ok we get from Kristen this thing aobut 'the guy kissing her is the one she loves, and BANG the promo airs.. ok euphoria for a couple of days, having to do with the kiss.. and then like a richochet we get Ausiello and Kristen taking the air out of our tires.. and guess what folks, kiss is no longer in the promo.. just cut right out.. We get basically the same promo with no kiss in it.. hmm :rolleyes: . me thinks it was a BIG oopsie putting it in there.. wasn't supposed to be shown i don't think. And now this very weird stuff from Kristen...

i'm about to blow a gasket waiting for this season to arrive now...:eek2:

I LOVE Evie! And I LOVE Jimmy Kimmel!

Evie was sparkling and delightful. She also confirmed that she starts shooting ep. 6 next week,
and that it will be Kate centric.

The she told us her theory that the producers test even the actors for leaks, and hooking up with either Jack or Sawyer was the example she used. She explained that the producers told her at the end of last season that this season she would be hooking up with X. Then, when she actually got the script, it turns out she's hooking up with Y! Her theory is that they lied to her on purpose to see if she'd leak the (wrong) info.

Now, think back to the statements she was making at the end of the season and into early summer - Sawyer better as friend; Kate more confident and mature now; what Sawyer would have to offer wouldn't be enough, etc. All pointed to a hook-up with Jack. But it turns out, she's actually hooking up with the OTHER guy!!!!!!! That would be OUR guy!!!!!!! Most positive clue we've had yet. :D

Whoop!!!!!!!!

I LOVE Evie! And I LOVE Jimmy Kimmel!

Evie was sparkling and delightful. She also confirmed that she starts shooting ep. 6 next week,
and that it will be Kate centric.

The she told us her theory that the producers test even the actors for leaks, and hooking up with either Jack or Sawyer was the example she used. She explained that the producers told her at the end of last season that this season she would be hooking up with X. Then, when she actually got the script, it turns out she's hooking up with Y! Her theory is that they lied to her on purpose to see if she'd leak the (wrong) info.

Now, think back to the statements she was making at the end of the season and into early summer - Sawyer better as friend; Kate more confident and mature now; what Sawyer would have to offer wouldn't be enough, etc. All pointed to a hook-up with Jack. But it turns out, she's actually hooking up with the OTHER guy!!!!!!! That would be OUR guy!!!!!!! Most positive clue we've had yet. :D

Whoop!!!!!!!!


Dez i could kiss you for bring that over...:biggrin: it's starting to make sense now... i think Evi just gave us a clue here...


I remember thinking what the? when she started the Jate pimping at the end of last season and into the summer. and wondered what was goin on here.. if that's the case then i'm almost convinced now... still got some doubt but omg...

Dez i could kiss you for bring that over...:biggrin: it's starting to make sense now... i think Evi just gave us a clue here...


I remember thinking what the? when she started the Jate pimping at the end of last season and into the summer. and wondered what was goin on here.. if that's the case then i'm almost convinced now... still got some doubt but omg...

Yeah, all those little interviews in late Spring and early Summer seemed like such an about face. All of a sudden
Sawyer was like a brother. What he had to offer wasn't enough because Kate had matured and grown past that. Lots of :confused: as to why the change in her tone.

It's looking really good for us right now. :D

see what i think is...


she was told it was gonna be Jack, so she played it that way on the show and started basically saying all that stuff about Sawyer bein like a brother and that Kate is more mature now and Jack and Kate understand eachother more now.. i think they were all told this..esp her though. It was like she was preparing herself for it in a sense. Like she'd accepted that reality.

and now she's saying that its the 'other' guy.. and there's only one other guy :biggrin: since i didn't hear her saying anything positive about Skate over the summer.. this is an amazing piece of detective work here..


now if the season would just hurry the hell up and get here... :mad:

Thanks for the news about
Eppy Six,
Dezdemona!

Hope TPTB confirm this soon! :biggrin:

Guess it really is a blessing that I'm unemployed at the time
YOU, TOO, Lisa?

Of course, we ARE employed--posting here, and all that--but we ain't being PAID for it! :D

Any chance for the next chapter before the season premiere next week? (please, please?)

The WORST thought I had with those new "spoilers" was
that she was telling us that James makes a deal with Fenry to romance Kate so They could study her reactions, in exchange for his own freedom.
But he wouldn't do that. Would he?

I'm really getting scared that I'm gonna end up hating characters I love, here. . . .

Oh good Lord! We've actually been reduced to studying the dialogue of the actors while on Jimmy Kimmel!!! Is anyone else close to curling into a little ball and just crying until Wednesday? CAUSE I AM!!! :wallbash: This is driving me crazy!

Oh, and as far as StH newest terrifying theory...
That would suck. I mean, seriously, suck. I don't think Sawyer would buckle and do it though. I think he would pretty much tell them to shove it and take his lumps. Not only because he cares about Kate, but because he just kind of has that 'shove it' sort of personality, and that is why we love him! :smile:

FIVE DAYS!!! Cue the happy dance!! :happy_bounce: (that is seriously my favorite smiley recently. It's so cute!)

.. and guess what folks, kiss is no longer in the promo.. just cut right out.. We get basically the same promo with no kiss in it.. hmm :rolleyes: . me thinks it was a BIG oopsie putting it in there.. wasn't supposed to be shown i don't think. And now this very weird stuff from Kristen...


That was also my first thought. Can anyone tell me what other reason the kiss would be taken out? IF she was to choose Jack, wouldn''t they have kept it in to mislead us into thinking that Sawyer would be her choice? Then they could "do the opposite" and surprise us with jate.

By taking the kiss out tells us that she WILL pick Sawyer, unless there is a whole different reason for taking that out - but what other reason could there be?

That was also my first thought. Can anyone tell me what other reason the kiss would be taken out? IF she was to choose Jack, wouldn''t they have kept it in to mislead us into thinking that Sawyer would be her choice? Then they could "do the opposite" and surprise us with jate.

By taking the kiss out tells us that she WILL pick Sawyer, unless there is a whole different reason for taking that out - but what other reason could there be?

:mad: Maybe to drive you, me and everyone else completely NUTS! This morning I am feeling like I have had my chain pulled one too many times, been jerked around, spoiled, foiled, lied to, mislead, over promo'd, and read way too much into unreliable gossip from vague sources and spin doctors! I am just plain frustrated.....

I think other then them having one more promo type clip to show, they have to mix it up a bit. Why keep playing the same one. Remove something, add something. Means nothing.

I had the sense that the recap was framed perfectly to set up Skate. We saw the ups and downs of Jate, and they made a point of putting in the negative aspect that seems to draw the most complaints, i.e. the way Jack berates her. OTOH, Sawyer was shown as this guy who was interested from the start, but began with an immature attitude (in The Moth) and later became the guy who's just there for her, who's supportive. Add in "relationships evolved" and they show the banana scene. It's the perfect scene to mark the evolution aspect because Kate is all smiling and receptive, in contrast to The Moth scene in which she was dismissive and disinterested. Add in her tenderness when he was wounded and her reaction to him being shot with the dart, and it shows that even though she still has a thing for the Doc, she's developed some very serious feelings for the other guy, i.e OUR guy. After everything we saw in S2, I don't know how anyone can deny that she has real feelings for Sawyer. However, she's still operating with her original assumptions, i.e. that Jack is a sensible relationship choice and Sawyer isn't. But the heart wants what it wants, and more and more she's developed these feelings for Sawyer... in spite of his determination to remain an outcast.

That sets things up perfectly for the dangerous circumstances they're facing in the early S3 episodes to make her re-examine her feelings for this man, and to question what that means in terms of her feelings for Jack, to whom she was originally attracted and for whom she still has feelings of another kind. I can't wait to see how they're going to develop the Kate/Sawyer relationship this season!

Of course, there's always got to be a cloud in the sky somewhere, and right now what concerns me is Kristen's spoiler about Kate's choice being heart-wrenching in every possible way. I don't even have a clue how that could factor in!

Oh good Lord! We've actually been reduced to studying the dialogue of the actors while on Jimmy Kimmel!!! Is anyone else close to curling into a little ball and just crying until Wednesday? CAUSE I AM!!! :wallbash: This is driving me crazy!

Oh, and as far as StH newest terrifying theory...
That would suck. I mean, seriously, suck. I don't think Sawyer would buckle and do it though. I think he would pretty much tell them to shove it and take his lumps. Not only because he cares about Kate, but because he just kind of has that 'shove it' sort of personality, and that is why we love him! :smile:

FIVE DAYS!!! Cue the happy dance!! :happy_bounce: (that is seriously my favorite smiley recently. It's so cute!)


I rewinded my Tivo twice for that interview on Kimmel last night. So, yes, I've been reduced to this. :sweatdrp:
With the outake of the kiss in the promo, and from what Evie said last night, I feel more confident about our situation. I would love to know who has sex in Jack's bed, even if it's not Skate (which would be fantastic). Those spoilers just threw me for a loop. And as far as the Whoop! theories, I don't think it could be because rescue is coming, because how could Sawyer know that if he's in a cage?

I LOVE Evie! And I LOVE Jimmy Kimmel!

Evie was sparkling and delightful. She also confirmed that she starts shooting ep. 6 next week,
and that it will be Kate centric.

The she told us her theory that the producers test even the actors for leaks, and hooking up with either Jack or Sawyer was the example she used. She explained that the producers told her at the end of last season that this season she would be hooking up with X. Then, when she actually got the script, it turns out she's hooking up with Y! Her theory is that they lied to her on purpose to see if she'd leak the (wrong) info.

Now, think back to the statements she was making at the end of the season and into early summer - Sawyer better as friend; Kate more confident and mature now; what Sawyer would have to offer wouldn't be enough, etc. All pointed to a hook-up with Jack. But it turns out, she's actually hooking up with the OTHER guy!!!!!!! That would be OUR guy!!!!!!! Most positive clue we've had yet. :D

Whoop!!!!!!!!


Thanks Desdemona ;). All I gotta say is....

Whoop there it is :D

Anyway....

Oh good Lord! We've actually been reduced to studying the dialogue of the actors while on Jimmy Kimmel!!! Is anyone else close to curling into a little ball and just crying until Wednesday? CAUSE I AM!!! This is driving me crazy!

Ghost those are my sentiments exactly, lol. They've definately got us chompin at the bit, and Im sure they are enjoying every minute.

Wednesday cant come soon enough, but If I possibly can, Im gonna try to go spoiler cold turkey till the premiere, lol. Cause as weve seen, things seem very contradictory. I wouldnt put it past the writers/producers to release 2 scripts, one for the press and one for the cast, lol. I mean we see the lengths they are willing to go.

So my advice, guys, just breathe, we dont know anything till it airs. I think they are trying to do some serious clean-up work right now. Theres no doubt in my mind that there will be a twist, but I got faith in Skate.

YOU, TOO, Lisa?

Of course, we ARE employed--posting here, and all that--but we ain't being PAID for it! :D

Any chance for the next chapter before the season premiere next week? (please, please?)

I think that can be arranged STH...:biggrin: And yes, I've been unemployed pretty much since April and while it's not pleasant, it seems to be okay for the moment, hopefully something will come up soon...

Very well said, GS and I couldn't agree more....:clap:

Okay folks, let's go back just a bit and think this through. What is the one thing we have all seen since before the end of Season 2? Hmm, any takers? Okay here's the answer we have been seeing everything everywhere that pointed to Skate. Now since we have seen that and I continue to believe in my heart that it will be, we have to realize that there must be some spin the other way to balance everything. That's what all this is, my dears, it's all spin control.

We know "the kiss" isn't showing any more in any promos and I too believe that's a very positive thing. The more things are covered up the more possible they become and Evi's comments last night, pretty much prove it.

So I suggest we continue to enjoy the fact that the new season is only 5 days away.

How about we do this? Y'all worry about the start of the new season and I'll worry about the spin control. I mean come on folks, do we really believe that they would spend roughly 2 seasons building the Skate relationiship only to throw it all away? I just don't see that and I don't think they'd do that to us.

So keep the faith, my dears. We know what the situation is!! Okay now, everybody take a deep breath...inhale...exhale...okay, now do it again.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

I think other then them having one more promo type clip to show, they have to mix it up a bit. Why keep playing the same one. Remove something, add something. Means nothing.

Whatever the reason, we know for certain. . . they kissed. And that can only be a good thing.

And regarding these relationships over the last two years, and what was presented on the recap episode, Kate's relationship with Sawyer clearly grew, while hers with Jack gradually became filled with mistrust, disappointments and uncertainties. That relationship will become even more distant when Jack discovers more about her past. I don't think Jack will be as accepting as Sawyer already is.

Hey Outkasters!

man I've had a stressful day! Damned kids! Some days I just think I'm mad wanting to train as a teacher!

As for the

new Kristen spoilers...I don't trust a single thing that wmoan says tbh. She said that one man would get to kiss kate again and that one man who kisses her will be the one she loves. Then for whatever reasons we see a skate kiss! It all seems too good to be true, but maybe someone messed up somewhere! Then suddenly Kristen is back tracking, there will be another kiss apparenmtly and the one kiss we did see isn't what it seems. And I'm sure the jaters are loving every second of it and in a way I'm glad because its been looking pretty bleak for them.

I try and take the spoilers with a pinch of salt, especially those from someone like kristen who the writers probablly use to leak all kinds of foilers anyway. But I am convinced that they are taking Jack's character to a much darker place this season and I don't see why that would happen if he's all loved up with kate. I'm even more convinced of this fact since the clip show played sawyers comment about there not bieng a big difference between him and Jack and also what kristen herself said about us seeing something different about sawyers character. Could this mean we are seeing something from his past that puts him a good light whereas in the fuirst eppy jack's flashback we may see the phukett/tatoo story that i think will show that good ol' jack aint as perfect as everyone would like to think.

The wrters don't care who kate ends up with. They are gonna please one bunch of fans and upset another either way. they are gooing to put her with someone who as a couple they can develop and have an interesting stoyrline and have this have a very specific effect on the rejected guy. If kate rejects sawyer what do we get? No character development for sawyer, all we will se is him retreating even more into his self-loathing. Whereas having kate reject him for someone like sawyer may be the final push we need to see javks character takes a tyruly interesting turn storyline wise.

This rather than any other spoilers/foilers/promos or whatever makes me thoughrally optimistic about skate happening.

And if it doesn't happen I also believe that Evi and Foxy do not have enough on screen chemistry to keep a romance interesting for the general oubklic (obviously whatever happens the hard core jaters will still love as would we if the roles were reversed) but the writers arn't just focusing on us smalll shipper groups, more the demographic as a whole. I am convinced if jate was going to happen it would ultimately fail, and then maybe we would get skate, maybe sawyer moves on who knows. but either way it will make for compelling tv!

:mad: Maybe to drive you, me and everyone else completely NUTS! This morning I am feeling like I have had my chain pulled one too many times, been jerked around, spoiled, foiled, lied to, mislead, over promo'd, and read way too much into unreliable gossip from vague sources and spin doctors! I am just plain frustrated.....

I totally agree! I'm ready to be done with the speculating and for the season to start already!! This waiting and wondering is getting old. :mad:

And to answer Lisa's question: I think he's whooing because he either just broke the lock on his cage or figured out how to get the darn food.

Ah, good morning, my fellow emotionally, unstable Outkasters. :laughing: How are thee? Emotional, huh? ;)

Guys...let's remember that this isn't a contest. To the winner go the spoils, or some such. And Kate, bless her murderess heart isn't to be had as any prize.

Whatever Kate's choice, let's try and be happy that she's actually chosen a guy, and all three are moving on.

I believe S3 is going to be a blast, and I while I will be disappointed if my ship preference isn't her decision, I'm more than thrilled about getting to know the "Others" and finding out what their agenda is all about. Juliet, Fenry, Zeke, Ms. Bea, Alex...and whomever else. I'm hoping for a more involved Jin/Sun. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that Sayid and Locke are back in the thick of things. Mr. Eko remains an enigma to me, so I excited to see more of his story.

I'm praying I'll regain some semblance of interest in Charlie again. I hope Claire is a bigger player in events this season, as I do Hurley. Desmond...well, he could just lean against a tree all season and I'll be happy. :biggrin: And although I have no real opinion about the new hot couple, Kiele and Rodrigo...if they add something significant to the show, I'm sure I'll appreciate what they have to bring.

So, have good cheer, Outkasters. Take joy in what we have to look forward to, not in what might not be. :)

oh Lisa our lovely cheerleader at it again... :biggrin:

I think those comments on Kimmel

convinced me more than ever that she's gonna pick Sawyer... i keep thinkin aobut all the Pro-Jate stuff she said at the end of the season and it makes so much sense now if that's what they told her was gonna be the case.

Any takers o nthe idea that the love declaration happens in epi #4? i think so, of course i'll be in Ireland that week :frown: the week of the Sawyer epi...but i'll have the laptop and download it off Itunes, no way i'm missin that...

hurry up Wednesday come NOW :hissy:
aaaagh work aweaits... I wish i could just Skate all day but :biggrin:

Guys...let's remember that this isn't a contest. To the winner go the spoils, or some such. And Kate, bless her murderess heart isn't to be had as any prize.

Whatever Kate's choice, let's try and be happy that she's actually chosen a guy, and all three are moving on.

I believe S3 is going to be a blast, and I while I will be disappointed if my ship preference isn't her decision, I'm more than thrilled about getting to know the "Others" and finding out what their agenda is all about. Juliet, Fenry, Zeke, Ms. Bea, Alex...and whomever else. I'm hoping for a more involved Jin/Sun. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that Sayid and Locke are back in the thick of things. Mr. Eko remains an enigma to me, so I excited to see more of his story.

I'm praying I'll regain some semblance of interest in Charlie again. I hope Claire is a bigger player in events this season, as I do Hurley. Desmond...well, he could just lean against a tree all season and I'll be happy. :biggrin: And although I have no real opinion about the new hot couple, Kiele and Rodrigo...if they add something significant to the show, I'm sure I'll appreciate what they have to bring.

So, have good cheer, Outkasters. Take joy in what we have to look forward to, not in what might not be. :)

Couldn't have said it better if I had tried, Darbi! Especially the part I bolded.

Alright, I just have to toss this out there
as to why Kate and Sawyer would be kissing if it wasn't a declaration of true love :smile: If it was anything else, it would simply be Sawyer kissing Kate and Kate pulling away. And considering we haven't seen any sort of evidence of severe insanity on her part, I don't know why that would be.
::takes deep breath:: This sucks. :wallbash: But Darbi, you have a very wise opinion and I thank you for it. :smile: My enjoyment of the charactor of Kate will not change no matter who she picks. My opinion of her as a person my be altered... but not my enjoyment. It is, however, the outKaSt within me who gets nauseous thinking of her with anyone else. But wise thoughts nonetheless. :smile:

Hi Outkasters! I usually pop in sometimes and see all the nice skate stuff here. But now i just finished season 2 here i finally catched up with you guys until wednesday!! Only a few people in the uk didn't like it complaining about everything about it. But i loved it! I loved the Skate part!(Bonnie and Clyde)I'll spoiler this incase, just reading all the Skate spoilers make me positive Skate is going to happen. i will be devestated if it don't but i will still watch it.

That was also my first thought. Can anyone tell me what other reason the kiss would be taken out? IF she was to choose Jack, wouldn''t they have kept it in to mislead us into thinking that Sawyer would be her choice? Then they could "do the opposite" and surprise us with jate.

By taking the kiss out tells us that she WILL pick Sawyer, unless there is a whole different reason for taking that out - but what other reason could there be?

I can't think of any other reason either Joe however it's hard to know with this show - anything could happen 'til it happens - let's hope it's because she is choosing Sawyer :heart:



Any takers o nthe idea that the love declaration happens in epi #4? i think so, of course i'll be in Ireland that week :frown: the week of the Sawyer epi...but i'll have the laptop and download it off Itunes, no way i'm missin that...


Fricks, can't believe it.... you'll be here while I'll be in the U.S. hopefully enjoying watching Epi 4 live for the first time :biggrin:


What a wonderful idea Lisa and Losttv, you 2 are so creative...

Well I think Im gonna go with one not on the list too...

Think Sawyers whoopin cause he just broke the lock on his cage...Otherwise I think hes doing it to mock his cell mate, that other guy, cause we all know how Sawyer digs the sarcasm.

Either way, very interested in that scene, cause I dont see much he can be happy about then and there short of Kate telling him she loves him ;).


I like your take on that Girlspy - any of those scenarios sound plausible - can't think of anything else to add as an answer Lisa ...

I simply can't wait to hear about Epi 1 and all your comments on it :Jumpy:

That was also my first thought. Can anyone tell me what other reason the kiss would be taken out? IF she was to choose Jack, wouldn''t they have kept it in to mislead us into thinking that Sawyer would be her choice? Then they could "do the opposite" and surprise us with jate.

By taking the kiss out tells us that she WILL pick Sawyer, unless there is a whole different reason for taking that out - but what other reason could there be?
Ah, but they did NOT take it out. They just recut some of the footage from it to recombine with other footage to make more versions of the promo. They are running it a zillion times every evening at this point - big time promotion, - and they probably needed as many versions as they could get from the footage.

Oh, and when I said they did NOT take it out? Check the official ABC website -
the promo with the kiss in it is right there on the official site. Just click on the picture that shows Sawyer's pretty blue eyes. :)

http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

Hope you feel better about it now. :D

Ah, good morning, my fellow emotionally, unstable Outkasters. :laughing: How are thee? Emotional, huh? ;)

Guys...let's remember that this isn't a contest. To the winner go the spoils, or some such. And Kate, bless her murderess heart isn't to be had as any prize.

Whatever Kate's choice, let's try and be happy that she's actually chosen a guy, and all three are moving on.

I believe S3 is going to be a blast, and I while I will be disappointed if my ship preference isn't her decision, I'm more than thrilled about getting to know the "Others" and finding out what their agenda is all about. Juliet, Fenry, Zeke, Ms. Bea, Alex...and whomever else. I'm hoping for a more involved Jin/Sun. I can't begin to tell you how happy I am that Sayid and Locke are back in the thick of things. Mr. Eko remains an enigma to me, so I excited to see more of his story.

I'm praying I'll regain some semblance of interest in Charlie again. I hope Claire is a bigger player in events this season, as I do Hurley. Desmond...well, he could just lean against a tree all season and I'll be happy. :biggrin: And although I have no real opinion about the new hot couple, Kiele and Rodrigo...if they add something significant to the show, I'm sure I'll appreciate what they have to bring.

So, have good cheer, Outkasters. Take joy in what we have to look forward to, not in what might not be. :)


Darbi, I completely agree. I am just excited that they are finally gonna resolve this triangle business and concentrate more on other characters. Skate is the icing on the cake. I cant wait to find out more about Sun and Jins storyline and also more about who these other people really are. I have a feeling they are gonna blow our minds :D.

Haha, Midnight, thats so funny about you being here during epi 4. LOL, like you and fricks traded places ;). Wonder if I could do that, hehe. Would be a cool trick. :D

Dez, You bring up an excellent point. And I dont think cutting out the kiss means anything either. Commercials are bought time. You see commercials shortened all the time. It doesnt mean that the information is irrelevant. It just means that they cut the clips that would best fit the time frame and kept the ones that got the message across the most plainly. I think thats all there really is too it.

Ah 6 more days of agonizing bliss. Sits back and watches the clock. :)

Haha, Midnight, thats so funny about you being here during epi 4. LOL, like you and fricks traded places ;). Wonder if I could do that, hehe. Would be a cool trick. :D

Crossed my mind about trading places with Fricks too :laugh: If we could just trade places that easily I'd also be trading places with a certain female character on Lost too :laugh: (spoiler-fonted in case anyone takes the wrong - or should I say - the right - meaning from that ;) :biggrin:)
I almost said that I'd miss seeing Fricks here - then I realised that I haven't even met you Fricks - just feels like I know everyone here :)

Dez, You bring up an excellent point. And I dont think cutting out the kiss means anything either. Commercials are bought time. You see commercials shortened all the time. It doesnt mean that the information is irrelevant. It just means that they cut the clips that would best fit the time frame and kept the ones that got the message across the most plainly. I think thats all there really is too it.I agree with you on this too - I have to say I am still afraid to believe that it absolutely 100% WILL happen for SKate - just gonna remain hopeful for now 'til I hear otherwise :lookarn:

I agree with you on this too - I have to say I am still afraid to believe that it absolutely 100% WILL happen for SKate - just gonna remain hopeful for now 'til I hear otherwise :lookarn:
Well, I've never been known as one of the biggest optimists on LF - in fact, I stepped away from the spoiler thread there in August for a couple of weeks because I didn't want to bring any of the others down. And I can tell you this... I bought the champagne on the way home from work today, and I intend to pop it on October 4th, because this gorgeous little ship of ours is really going to sail! :D

Aside from all the bits and pieces we already had from the producers and so on, including Kate will make her choice in the first 6 (including having sex with her guy, and the producers are ready to live with the fall-out), Juliet is a possible new love interest for Jack, etc. etc. etc.

- Evie got played by the producers, hence the worrisome 180 degree turn toward Go!Jate is explained.

- Hot Skate kiss #2 is on the official ABC web site for all to see.

- Josh Holloway, who NEVER talks Skate seriously, is all about Skate in this week's TV Guide.

- Cuse and Lindelhof have an article in USA today (online) talking about how they follow where they show wants to lead them... they're fluid. So much for Jate being carved in stone, fate-wise! Pffft!

Hard to believe, I know, seeing as how we really were the underdog ship for two years, but I really do believe it's going to happen! :D

:mad: Maybe to drive you, me and everyone else completely NUTS! This morning I am feeling like I have had my chain pulled one too many times, been jerked around, spoiled, foiled, lied to, mislead, over promo'd, and read way too much into unreliable gossip from vague sources and spin doctors! I am just plain frustrated.....
My feelings EXACTLY, losttv! I'm just sooooo :down: these days. As I said in another forum (yeah, I post at other forums--naughty me!), I've never looked forward to watching something that's gonna depress me so much!

Seeing the actual eppy is gonna be such a RELIEF.

We've all been looking forward to the six-eppy run, and now I find myself looking forward to the other side of it (even with that long 13-week hiatus to get thru) just cuz I will finally know what happens!! :rolleyes:






Lisa, :hug: on your promise to get the next chapter up. I need something diverting from living over at the Spoilers Forum!

It's gotten so bad for me that I'm reduced to
wishing that Amelia would come by with some coffee and brownies and reassuring words! :10:
and THAT is BAD! :eek:

Well, I've never been known as one of the biggest optimists on LF - in fact, I stepped away from the spoiler thread there in August for a couple of weeks because I didn't want to bring any of the others down. And I can tell you this... I bought the champagne on the way home from work today, and I intend to pop it on October 4th, because this gorgeous little ship of ours is really going to sail! :D

Aside from all the bits and pieces we already had from the producers and so on, including Kate will make her choice in the first 6 (including having sex with her guy, and the producers are ready to live with the fall-out), Juliet is a possible new love interest for Jack, etc. etc. etc.

- Evie got played by the producers, hence the worrisome 180 degree turn toward Go!Jate is explained.

- Hot Skate kiss #2 is on the official ABC web site for all to see.

- Josh Holloway, who NEVER talks Skate seriously, is all about Skate in this week's TV Guide.

- Cuse and Lindelhof have an article in USA today (online) talking about how they follow where they show wants to lead them... they're fluid. So much for Jate being carved in stone, fate-wise! Pffft!

Hard to believe, I know, seeing as how we really were the underdog ship for two years, but I really do believe it's going to happen! :D



:shesaid: :shesaid: :shesaid: :shesaid: :shesaid: :shesaid:

Dez: Lean over here -- I want to give you a big HUG! I have bought the bubbly too and I am looking forward to "popping the cork" on Wednesday night!

I bought the champagne on the way home from work today, and I intend to pop it on October 4th, because this gorgeous little ship of ours is really going to sail! :D

Aside from all the bits and pieces we already had from the producers and so on, including Kate will make her choice in the first 6 (including having sex with her guy, and the producers are ready to live with the fall-out), Juliet is a possible new love interest for Jack, etc. etc. etc.

- Evie got played by the producers, hence the worrisome 180 degree turn toward Go!Jate is explained.

- Hot Skate kiss #2 is on the official ABC web site for all to see.

- Josh Holloway, who NEVER talks Skate seriously, is all about Skate in this week's TV Guide.

- Cuse and Lindelhof have an article in USA today (online) talking about how they follow where they show wants to lead them... they're fluid. So much for Jate being carved in stone, fate-wise! Pffft!

Hard to believe, I know, seeing as how we really were the underdog ship for two years, but I really do believe it's going to happen! :D



:cheerleader: My very dear Dez...I am hereby cermoniously handing you a brand-spankin, shiney, new pair of pom poms, as I no longer am the unofficial OutKaSts cheerleader and this is job that I take a lot of pleasure in.

Welcome to the cheerleader squad, hon...:cheerleader:

Dez, I have to admit...

when I first started to see your articulate and well thoughtout posts, during the last season, here, over on TWoP and LF, I never took you for much of a shipper, let alone an excitable fangirl. But I must say, your enthusiasm about S/K becoming a couple is catching...and I'm just tickled beyond words when I read your recent posts.

So, hey...pour me a glass of that bubbly too, and let's get ready to celebrate, or drink in our sorrow...whichever. :laughing:


Lisa, Ann...haven't gotten any covert pm's today. ;)

:cheerleader: My very dear Dez...I am hereby cermoniously handing you a brand-spankin, shiney, new pair of pom poms, as I no longer am the unofficial OutKaSts cheerleader and this is job that I take a lot of pleasure in.

Welcome to the cheerleader squad, hon...:cheerleader:

That's what I was thinking, too, Lisa!!! But you are still captain of the squad, methinks! ;)

Is everyone else biting their nails in anticipation? My hubby thinks I have problems, lol.
5 days, 4 hours and 47 minutes left! SQUEE!

I cannot wait. Next Wednesday, I will be shutting off my phone, and ignoring or strangling everyone who attempts contact with me between 9 and 10. My bf is a huge Lost freak, too, so that works out well. And I can't wait to get on this ship afterwards and talk about how happy we all are!!!! :group:
Now, if someone can refresh my memory, do we know what episode that Skate kiss is from?

Well, I've never been known as one of the biggest optimists on LF - in fact, I stepped away from the spoiler thread there in August for a couple of weeks because I didn't want to bring any of the others down. And I can tell you this... I bought the champagne on the way home from work today, and I intend to pop it on October 4th, because this gorgeous little ship of ours is really going to sail! :D

Aside from all the bits and pieces we already had from the producers and so on, including Kate will make her choice in the first 6 (including having sex with her guy, and the producers are ready to live with the fall-out), Juliet is a possible new love interest for Jack, etc. etc. etc.

- Evie got played by the producers, hence the worrisome 180 degree turn toward Go!Jate is explained.

- Hot Skate kiss #2 is on the official ABC web site for all to see.

- Josh Holloway, who NEVER talks Skate seriously, is all about Skate in this week's TV Guide.

- Cuse and Lindelhof have an article in USA today (online) talking about how they follow where they show wants to lead them... they're fluid. So much for Jate being carved in stone, fate-wise! Pffft!

Hard to believe, I know, seeing as how we really were the underdog ship for two years, but I really do believe it's going to happen! :D



Thanks for all those points Dez -
I really want to believe this and I do agree that Cuse & Lindelof's article does seem to scream SKate, they have to mean SKate - "they follow where the show wants to lead them" does seem to say that while Jate were planned originally as the couple, SKate took over naturally as they've been so fantastic on-screen together - something TPTB never expected perhaps and now just have to use that great 'connection' they've got going.

Josh talking about SKate seriously too? Oooo, I hope that uncle of mine in the U.S. has bought me that TV Guide :laugh:

My wishes for y'all Stateside are - enjoy your bubbly Wed. eve! ;)


100%
That's what I was thinking, too, Lisa!!! But you are still captain of the squad, methinks! ;)

Is everyone else biting their nails in anticipation? My hubby thinks I have problems, lol.
5 days, 4 hours and 47 minutes left! SQUEE!

I love any & all of the cheerleaders here :biggrin:

Katie, my friends & work colleagues think I have problems too - funny how it can take over your life at times :laughing:

Katie, my friends & work colleagues think I have problems too - funny how it can take over your life at times :laughing:

:laughing: no doubt! and yet my house is reasonably clean, PLUS i started dinner, too ... i feel so proud :biggrin: one of my new-mom friends called me Little Ms Martha today. Ha ha. So I guess I'm not doing so badly. Anyhow. I don't know how much more patience I have left; I'll have to try really hard to stay away from the spoilers after the Hawaii premiere tomorrow! EEEEK! :lost:
Hubby will be home soon, so have a great weekend, my friends!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

:cheerleader: My very dear Dez...I am hereby cermoniously handing you a brand-spankin, shiney, new pair of pom poms, as I no longer am the unofficial OutKaSts cheerleader and this is job that I take a lot of pleasure in.

Welcome to the cheerleader squad, hon...:cheerleader:
*blushes* Why, thank you, Lisa! These pom-poms are adorable. I'd be happy to join you in this lovely little cheerleading squad. I'm thinking if we just keep the bubbly flowing for everybody, they won't notice if we're a little out of step here and there, now will they? :D

Now, remind me, is it left foot first....?
Lisa ---> :cheerleader: :cheerleader: <--- Dez

*looks around* Now where's the rest of the squad?

MidnightSawyerFan

Re Josh in TV Guide (and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to spoiler-tag this, but I will just in case...
Josh is on the cover of the US TV guide for the week of Oct. 2-8 (and Evie is on the cover of the Canadian TV Guide for the same week, LOL - gorgeous photos for both) and there's an article on the Lost premiere with some quotes from Josh. I can't remember all of it (if I can find a link later, I'll bring it over) but I do remember a couple of things. He said all along, Sawyer "has been slowly falling for this girl", and "Kate is the little chisel that broke through his(Sawyer's) first wall." Nice stuff!

Darbi

when I first started to see your articulate and well thoughtout posts, during the last season, here, over on TWoP and LF, I never took you for much of a shipper, let alone an excitable fangirl. But I must say, your enthusiasm about S/K becoming a couple is catching...and I'm just tickled beyond words when I read your recent posts.

So, hey...pour me a glass of that bubbly too, and let's get ready to celebrate, or drink in our sorrow...whichever. :laughing:


Thank you for the too kind words!


I didn't set out to ship any couple on the show, believe me! Even though I found Sawyer and Kate's interactions intriguing right from the start, rooting for them crept up on me over the first half of season 1, but I was also a big fan of Jack, as well as Sawyer and Kate, at that time so I was reluctant to root for one guy against the other. They sucked me in, however, bit by bit.

Sawyer asking Kate's opinion about the caves brought the cute and flirty. Then CM totally blew me away (like lots of other people!) Sawyer's backstory, her determination to figure him out, the sheer intensity of his anger and despair, and that kiss! Whoa! Soooo many layers of emotion going on between them, and finally, her prying him open afterward and him finally shutting the door. Then Solitary, and I became even more intrigued because of the way they regrouped so simply from the intensity of CM. I loved the little pep talk Kate gave him about making an effort, and his reactions to that nailed down almost any resistance I had left. The way he looked at her as she walked away, and then he took her advice and went to the golf game... and of course, she took his bet, thereby throwing him a lifeline.

WTCMB... her wandering alone in the jungle, him following her to make sure she didn't get in trouble, fun at the swimming hole... and that was only the beginning! I totally fell for their playfulness with each other. Even though we came to learn that the case was really vital to her, she can't help having fun with him over it...him up a tree and her grabbing the case and running with a HUGE Gotcha! grin on her face. Outlaws is the episode that totally nailed it down for me. Even though I still liked Jack, I had to say, "Too bad, Doc, these two really need to be with each other. Tough luck!" Sawyer's backstory... wow, and Josh was soo good in this episode. I'm a total sucker for a good redemption story, and this is a really good one, for both Sawyer and Kate IMO. The "I never" game was awesome, but what really did it for me was the way he finally put the gun down on his own, but then called for Kate... like he really needed to see her face right then. All through that episode, there's something about the way they watch each other, I'd even say study each other, like it's really important for each of them that they learn to understand the other one better... the way Kate was watching him from behind the tree. She needs to know him, you know? .

Anyhow, I could sit here all evening, analyzing every little nuance, but let's just say that from there on, I was really pulling for these two to become a couple. They're both deeply wounded and severely dysfunctional... any relationship between them is bound to be bumpy in the extreme.. but probably very entertaining as well! The bottom line, though, is that they really "get" each other in ways I doubt either has experienced before, and they can be so at ease together when they're not fencing that it's downright enviable. So yeah, I guess I'm a fangirl now... even have the pom-poms to prove it! :D :cheerleader:

:shesaid: :jump:

Howdy OutKaSts,

Losttvfan and I are on the phone right now, and yes we're plotting...and guess what? Josh has the cover of American TV Guide and Evi has the cover of the Canadian one.

So exactly what is it that tells you? Hehehehe, like we don't know!!

Crack open another bottle Dez, or better yet, let's get us a keg. We're celebratin' all night!!! :wine: :drunk: :beer: :gathring:

Insert Sawyer whoop here!

Josh has the cover of American TV Guide and Evi has the cover of the Canadian one.

So exactly what is it that tells you? Hehehehe, like we don't know!!


Um--that Josh is American, and Evie's Canadian? :D

Howdy OutKaSts,

Losttvfan and I are on the phone right now, and yes we're plotting...and guess what? Josh has the cover of American TV Guide and Evi has the cover of the Canadian one.

So exactly what is it that tells you? Hehehehe, like we don't know!!

Crack open another bottle Dez, or better yet, let's get us a keg. We're celebratin' all night!!! :wine: :drunk: :beer: :gathring:

Um--that Josh is American, and Evie's Canadian? :D


:clapping: Well, that too, good one STH!!!!!

Um--that Josh is American, and Evie's Canadian? :D
Ooops! *accidentally bumps into wiseguy STH while practicing high kicks* :cheerleader:

The CORRECT answer is that theirs are the faces that sell, and that they are each one half of the couple everybody wants to see! :D

Awww, Dez you truly are a fan girl. :biggrin:

Like you, I had no intention, none, to ship anyone on this show. But, from the start, I was more than a little intrigued by Sun/Jin. I can't really say it was a "shipper" interest, I just wanted to know their story. What happened to their marriage? Why was Jin so cold one mintue towards Sun, then so gentle and caring the next? I'm still intrigued by them, because something tells me that there is a lot more to Sun and her ever expanding bag of secrets besides learning English from her ex.

Talk about a woman of mystery. She's got Kate beat by a mile.

Anyways, as I've mentioned here before, I never really thought about Sawyer and Kate as a couple until 'Outlaws', and it didn't slam home until after the 'I Never' scene ended. Like you mentioned in your post, there was something about the way they watched one another. Although the thought of sharing the dark, ugly secrets they hold was terrifying, they couldn't help themselves. They needed to know those truths. It was highly fascinating to watch. And I can recall sitting there on my couch feeling this quirky little "a ha" smile quip my lips at the thought that a) the two actors nailed that scene, and b) I really liked the two characters together. Something was truly different about their interactions. Plus, it was the first time I connected with Kate's character, something I had been trying to do all season long.

Can't say that I signed up for the pep squad right then and there, although the two looking for one another in Exodus tugged at my heart strings pretty hard. No...it took the better part of the summer, a bored day a work, and a well-known fan fic titled 'In Hiding' (you know the one) to get me to sign up. I've been a goner since then. ;)

:71:, Dezdemona! I just wanted to bring a little levity to things, that's all!

And that kick HURT! OUCH! :crybaby:

:wink3:

I
Fricks, can't believe it.... you'll be here while I'll be in the U.S. hopefully enjoying watching Epi 4 live for the first time :biggrin:


OMG the irony is not lost on me here Midnight... i'm the one that's gonna hve to wait to see it now.. :frown: and i agree with you in that if i could trade with someone else i'd know exactly who that'd be...

Kate... sometime in the next 6 epis :biggrin:


All these posts once again made my head spin hehehehe:eek2:

but i had a thought i found rather interesting today.. wondered if anyone noticed this in WKD..
In the first flashback we see Kate helping Wayne inside, she's struggling quite a bit.. he appears to be dragging her down, not helping her out at all. In fact being a jerk. And she puts him to bed. And blows the house up.

Juxapose this with the scene at the end with Sawyer. After blowing herself up emotionally, Sawyer wakes up and she helps him out of bed and walks him outside and dosen't appear to be burdened at all by it. And he is, in his own way helping her support his weight a bit. It's like a healing renewal.. the scene is reversed in a sense. There is a definate symbolism there i think.

The 2 scenes are almost polar opposite.. in one she can't stand the burden, and in the other she willingly accepts it. She has in fact, seen the difference between the 2 men, He's not Wayne, he's just Sawyer and he's not a burden to her in the slightest.

just one of those weird thoughts i had...

but i had a thought i found rather interesting today.. wondered if anyone noticed this in WKD..
In the first flashback we see Kate helping Wayne inside, she's struggling quite a bit.. he appears to be dragging her down, not helping her out at all. In fact being a jerk. And she puts him to bed. And blows the house up.

Juxapose this with the scene at the end with Sawyer. After blowing herself up emotionally, Sawyer wakes up and she helps him out of bed and walks him outside and dosen't appear to be burdened at all by it. And he is, in his own way helping her support his weight a bit. It's like a healing renewal.. the scene is reversed in a sense. There is a definate symbolism there i think.

The 2 scenes are almost polar opposite.. in one she can't stand the burden, and in the other she willingly accepts it. She has in fact, seen the difference between the 2 men, He's not Wayne, he's just Sawyer and he's not a burden to her in the slightest.

just one of those weird thoughts i had...


WHOA!!! Fricks...what a cool thought I swear I never thought of that before...:thud: Gosh, girl, you got that one nailed. I'll have to sleep on it though as my eyes closed a few minutes and I'm about fall asleep at the keys.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

I'm sorry, my head just exploded...
When did we decide that Kate and Sawyer are going to have sex in Jack's bed?! I mean, don't get me wrong, that would be quite possibly one of the best things that's ever happened to me, but still.
I think I'm going to do a little booty shaking just in case... ::does the 'Milkshake' dance by Kelis:: :kicking:

Oh, and Fricks, that is an amazing observation! I mean, I always loved how in a sense by thinking that Sawyer was somehow channeling Wayne throughout the episode and by helping him out of the hatch that she was somehow coming to terms with Wayne and her hatred for him, but funny how it never crossed my mind that she was also coming to terms with her and Sawyer and how he makes her feel and who he is to her. And I call myself an outKaSt... :headslap: I'm ashamed...

Fricks, that is BRILLIANT!! :hug:

Those LOST writers are really good, ain't they? :thumbsup:

Those LOST writers are really good, ain't they? :thumbsup:
You know what, they really are. And you know the worst part? THEY KNOW IT!! That's the only reason that I'm sitting in my dad's computer room at 3 a.m. reading about thories and spoilers of this show. Grr...

:wink1:

OMG. I just saw the promo with Skate.

What the hell is up with the kiss? That's amazing!!!! I know I'm coming into this one late, but lets just say I don't get to stay in much. Work and school can do that. Grr. Forget my major in Social Work....Lost is coming back on! I just hope Skate is in the leader board for best new couple of Season 3. Best new official couple. lol

:71:, Dezdemona! I just wanted to bring a little levity to things, that's all!

And that kick HURT! OUCH! :crybaby:

:wink3:
Aw, I didnt' mean to hurt you! And I was just continuing with the levity track... only in a clumsier way, evidently. :hug:


Fricksgirl - but i had a thought i found rather interesting today.. wondered if anyone noticed this in WKD..
In the first flashback we see Kate helping Wayne inside, she's struggling quite a bit.. he appears to be dragging her down, not helping her out at all. In fact being a jerk. And she puts him to bed. And blows the house up.

Juxapose this with the scene at the end with Sawyer. After blowing herself up emotionally, Sawyer wakes up and she helps him out of bed and walks him outside and dosen't appear to be burdened at all by it. And he is, in his own way helping her support his weight a bit. It's like a healing renewal.. the scene is reversed in a sense. There is a definate symbolism there i think.

The 2 scenes are almost polar opposite.. in one she can't stand the burden, and in the other she willingly accepts it. She has in fact, seen the difference between the 2 men, He's not Wayne, he's just Sawyer and he's not a burden to her in the slightest.

just one of those weird thoughts i had..

Excellent observation, fricks! I had never remarked the mirroring of the physical imagery. She helps Wayne inside, and consigns him to hell. She helps Sawyer outside, into the sunlight.

I loved that episode! Once her crisis has resolved itself, she's so relaxed with Sawyer physically. Such an important change!

Hawaii premiere today! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Aw, I didnt' mean to hurt you! And I was just continuing with the levity track... only in a clumsier way, evidently. :hug:



Excellent observation, fricks! I had never remarked the mirroring of the physical imagery. She helps Wayne inside, and consigns him to hell. She helps Sawyer outside, into the sunlight.

I loved that episode! Once her crisis has resolved itself, she's so relaxed with Sawyer physically. Such an important change!

Hawaii premiere today! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

:gossip: Wonder if we can expect some "spoilers" from the Hawaii premiere? A few leaks to drive all of us further over the edge! I would love to see some photos of the cast members who attend this event.

Check out my "countdown clock".....is running towards Wednesday (but not fast enough).

:gossip: Wonder if we can expect some "spoilers" from the Hawaii premiere? A few leaks to drive all of us further over the edge! I would love to see some photos of the cast members who attend this event.

Check out my "countdown clock".....is running towards Wednesday (but not fast enough).
There will definitely be spoilers from the Hawaii premiere on both LF and L-TV, and I'll be pouncing on all of them. I'll bring over the links once I find them.

Counting down.... oh yes! Still too far away, though. :D

fricks, that's an interesting observation. I never thought much about the symbolism of the physical burden of aiding Wayne into the house, and ultimately to his death. Versus aiding Sawyer out of that dreary hatch out into the sunlight, to life, back to their "home", while simultaneously releasing her burden of guilt.

:heart: The new Bryan McFadden Lost music video is posted on the ABC network website!

This will totally blow you away....a professionally done Lost S3 music video that is so damn beautiful it is just amazing....we are going to see this on TV -- I am sure -- before Wednesday night! It has to have ABC's blessing. Go to ABC, just click on "Primetime", then "Lost", then on "Lost-Demons Video".

ENJOY, it is awesome!

That video is very cool. Nice song, too. ;)

Wow Fricks that's an amazing analysis, I'd never thought of that specific symbolism. I've always thought that that episode shows kate being able to put aside some of her wayne issues. And this is because of the way she has aligned sawyer and wayne.Because sawyer contains some aspects that remind her of wayne (such as mannerisms etc) BUT there are aspects of sawyers own character that she likes a lot if not loves. I think all along this has been part of her fascination with sawyer. We bknow kate killed wayne because she couldnh't stand that he was a part of her and as a result she could never be good. Then she meets someone who has many characteristics that remind her of wayne (obviously minus the wife beating/incestuous aspects) ansd at foirst thisd repulses her (along withy sawyers own actions) but theres something about this man, despite reminding her of wayne that she just can't stay away. Then she finds out inn CM that he has a softer side, a tortured side. He is capable of feeling genuine emotions, he is just as messed up as her, if not more so. Suddenly this guy who reminds her of wayne has redeeming qualities, and she is even more fascinated with hihm than shge was before.

I think as their relationship grew she saw less of wayne and more of sawyer himself. Then he leaves on the raft and they sever their ties emotionally not thinking they will see each other again. Then when he returns to her she is confronted by this guy half dead. God knows the different kinds of emotions that were gfoing through her head when she first saw him. Then she stays by his bedside, willing and preying for him to wake up. Then the first thing she hears from him is "why did you kill me" coupled with him tryinging to strange her. (again this is probablly all in her mind). The poor girl is terrified, all the wayne aspects of sawyer come back to haunt her, banishing the sawyer she knows and loves. Shes confused, doesn't know how she's feeling, thinks she's going mad. Then she sees jack, and that brings up a whole load of emotional upheavel on top of what shes already feeling. With wayne fresh in her mind her feelings of self loathing are more apparent then ever. She lashes out at jack, resents him for being good, something she thinks she will never be, never thinks she will be good enough. He grabs her and she still fights against him. Then she manically looks into his eyes, desperate for some kind of escape, some kind of reassurance that her father, the man she killed isn't inside the man she might love, the man she thought she'd never see again. She wats reassurance, that its all going to be okay, that maybe its not all happeneing and she can still be good. So she kisses him, and she puts every effort into desperately kissing him, trying to mnake it all go away, trying to make herself feel like she's good.

Then she breaks away and instantly realises she has made things 10 times worse. her plan has backfired, she feels more disgusted with herself than ever, and with a look of confussed terror she ruhns away back to the hatch and back to wayne/sawyer.
Then she does something she never thought she'd be able to do, she talks to her dead father, or believes she is. She admits to him and herself the reason why she killed him, admits that she can't help seeing him when she looks at sawyer and that it makles her sick. Shes more desperate and emotionally distraught that ever, not knowing what she's going to do. Then she hears those words spoken in that rough southern voice that melts her heart "who the hell's wayne."

Suddenly wayne's gone, she's not even thinking about him. In thoise few seconds all she cares about is the man that is gazing up at her, sawyer, not wayne, just sawyer, displaying everything she loves about him. He's returned to her, and wayne is the last thing on her mind. She breaks out in possibly to most genuine smile we have ever seen on her face, pure relief and joy.

Then as you say Fricks she helps him on with his clothes (shame we wern't shown that particular scene) and helps him out of the bed, suppoting his weight and takes him out inot the sunlight, still not being able to help her massive grin. She even keeps hold of his hand once they've sat down. When sawyer questions why shes grinning at him she replies with the usual banter between them "you need a haircut" he replies, then suddenly the moent is broken and we see the horse, a further representation of wayne. All the viewer routing for them are like "way to spoil the moment" but to our suprise kate approaches the horse, although she is cautious she has the feeling that maybe the horse ighyt not hurt or reject her. She is right, it tentatively lets her stroke it before trotting away. meanwhile sawyer is looking at her with puzzlement, "you know that horse freckles," "yeah, I do," is her reply with a slight smile. She certainly knows that horse and she is realising for perhaps the first time that she might be on her way to making peace with it and everything it represents. And she knows who she has to thank for that, sawyer.

I think this was truly the moment she knew her feelings for him, and wee see this develop ever so sweetly for a few episodes afterwards, almost as if they are starting anew with each other. Then sawyer freaks out (in a very sawyer like fashion) nand pushes her away (which could also have to do with her reaction to jack ignoring her).
But she just can't keep away, even though he really has hurt her, and tentatively she hanfs out with him again, although nothing like the level they were before, but its a start. Then they suffer anolther set back, sawyer thinks kate has chosen jack and in a moment of stupid and very male desperation he falls for anas advances. Then theres the whole ana and libby dying and all that is pushed to the sidelines along with the plan to take out the others. Then of course they are captured.

I believe that in season three they are going to start anew with each other much like they did after WKT. The situations they are put in will force them to show to each other the feelings they are both desperately trying to conceal. This will mark the start of a new chapter is their amazing rollercoaster of a story and something teels me its going to be better than any skate stuff we have seen before!

Oh der I appear to have gone on another rant! I guess I was inspired by Fricks comments!

raven, if you're still around...you might want to spoiler tag the last part of your post. Just in case. ;) Btw, nice post. :clap:

wow Raven i'm glad i could inspire you :biggrin: that was a great rant ITA

That epi was chock full of that stuff, with hidden meanings and symbolism. I like what both Darbi and Dez said about sending Wayne to hell and taking Sawyer out of the dark as well. Lifting a burden literally and figurativly in a sense as well.

It was said that Sawyer's return unleashed 'a tidal wave of emotion' as i believe DL and CC said in the Podcast for that epi. I think with Kate the idea of loving someone is scary in that it was quite obvious that her mother loved Wayne, and obvously enough to give up a good man for him. If she did in fact love Sawyer, and i think she does, she would worry about becoming her mother in that sense. And when she confessed to him she told him how disgusted she was with the idea that he wouldn't allow her to feel those things without feeling bad about it, without seeing him. That he'd never let her have anything good, or feel anything good, for Sawyer or anyone else.

That epi was beautiful at the end when she was able to let go of that erroneious perception of Sawyer being Wayne and to let go of her guilt over that. Walking outside with Sawyer into the light of a new day, with a big old smile plastered on her face. All that pain and suffering led to that release and happiness. It made it worth it.

And Raven i wish we'd seen that scene too :naughty:

Excellent interps of symbols, folks. As I've said before, I came late to LOST so haven't seen all the epis and the one where Kate takes Sawyer out of the hatch is one I've missed. But from the clips I've watched, I'd say your take is right on. I think we have to look at the symbols. For instance, Jack and Kate were caught in a net not of their own choosing...what does that mean? I'm not entirely sure, but I sense it has symbolic meaning.

raven, if you're still around...you might want to spoiler tag the last part of your post. Just in case. ;) Btw, nice post. :clap:

Thanks Darbi, I just did just to be on the safe side :)

I wish it was october 4th now!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder if there are going to be any major spoilers floating around after the premier in hawai tonight?

Well, if someone posts after seeing the premier in Hawaii, it may be in spoiler font, but it won't really be a spoiler anymore, will it? More a report in spoiler font. :lipsseal:

Excellent interps of symbols, folks. As I've said before, I came late to LOST so haven't seen all the epis and the one where Kate takes Sawyer out of the hatch is one I've missed. But from the clips I've watched, I'd say your take is right on. I think we have to look at the symbols. For instance, Jack and Kate were caught in a net not of their own choosing...what does that mean? I'm not entirely sure, but I sense it has symbolic meaning.


If it does have symbolic meaning, then I wonder what Kate stopping Sawyer from getting caught in the net has any meaning?

Yes, I think it does have meaning. Remember the net is triggered by a doll...which can represent family, home, hearth, white picket fence and all that. I think that's what Kate thought she wanted with Jack but when it happened wasn't quite so sure. But she knew that Sawyer would never would belong in that position so stopped him from even going there.

As I see it, the net represents the lure (or the trap, if you will) of normal, domestic life triggered by a child's toy which represents motherhood etc. Kate thinks that's what she wants. And perhaps she does. Certainly she has the best shot (pun intended here) with Jack and yet she "missed the shot" in the net. It is Jack who bring the net crashing down. Does that say he is the one who ruins the dream? I don't know. It could. But the fact remains that Kate, who is clearly an ace shot, misses while the doctor, who presumably isn't Olympic quality marksman, makes it on the first try.

When Kate sees Sawyer approaching the doll...going to pick it up...which could be symbolic of his "picking up a normal sort of life" she stops him. Why? I don't know. Because she knows that it would truly be a trap for him? Because she doesn't want to get caught in that sort of life with him? I don't know.

Sort of rambling this morning in between laundry and other Saturday chores. But yes, the net has symbolic significance for both Jack and Sawyer, but exactly what that is will depend on the final outcome, I think.

WOOOTTT GO SKATE :grin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin ::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Perdue, that's an interesting take. I'll have to ponder on it for a while before I can attempt a reply.

In the meanwhile, I'm off to hang with some friends.


Ciao!

I'm posting this on both boards, just so you all know.

I am truly hoping that whatever happens among Kate, Jack and Sawyer this season, we can all accept her choice and have a little confidence that the writers are developing the characters in a way that will show the most growth and potential. That the creators haven't made this engaging fictional people just for the sake of a love affair, but that they have destinies and purpose for the overall story. And whichever man ends up with Kate, it's because his relationship with her is essential to both of their growth

. So have faith, if not in your ship's exact destiny, but in the writers and creators and development of the entire premise.