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fricksgurl75

10-01-2006, 01:32 AM

ok gonna spoiler font, just in case here..

I will respect the decision whichever way it goes simply cause i do feel the writers know what they are doing here. Wahtever decision Kate makes will hopefully be made for the right reasons and reflect what she needs right now. What she wants and who she loves. I want it to be Sawyer but if she picks Jack i think i can live with it. I'll be dissapointed but i'll survive.

But i have to agree with others on this thread that i can't see them emphasizing Sawyers feelings for her and all the develpment between them and just let it drop all of a sudden. This guy has come a long way in terms of his emotional development here for that not to be given at least a chance. They have made it so damn clear that he loves her, it's painfully obvious to anyone, i don't think they'd emphasize that unless they were planning on doing something about it.

Does Kate love him back? I don't get why it's so impossible to believe that she might

. I was talking to someone about this today.. about why she was so hurt by what he did in TLC.. read her words there. "you played us.. you played me.." That second part is what hurt her, not that he conned everyone but that he conned her. She could've dealt with it otherwise, might have let it go , but it hurt her that he used her. This goes with the adage of the idea that it's the people you love that can hurt you the most. That wasn't just about friendship anymore there. She was putting herself out there emotionally for him. And he got typically scared and pushed her back by using her just like everyone else. Making her look like she was just another mark, someone he didn't care about, when she was anything but. He'd love to pretend that she dosen't matter, 'she ain't in my head Doc" but saying that he proved that she is.

And it looks like in..

Season 3 it's gonna be become more obvious to her how he feels. And maybe if she see that side of him, she'll allow herself to feel for him what's she's been fighting herself.

Thought of something else as well, while i'm rambling a bit here :biggrin: Someone told me about the movie "The Village" and about a scene where the blind girl tells the guy, can't remember his name that she knows he cares about her because he would never touch her, cause if he did others would know how he felt about her. "Sometimes we don't do things we want to do so that others won't know we want to do them." After Sawyer got back from the raft, he pretty much had Kate there, and never made any kind of real move with her. He could've but didn't. Why? cause with her it's different, he crosses a certain line with her and he can't go back, cause it means something now..

I don't know what i was trying to get across with this pointless ramble.. just random thoughts in my head..

Darbi

10-01-2006, 01:54 AM

fricks, not so random.

I believe you're right about why Kate was so hurt by what Sawyer had done in 'TLC'. In their own dysfuctional way, they had let by-gones be by-gones regarding what happened before the raft sailed. Or, at least Kate had. Sawyer was still apprehensive, obviously, and for good reason.

Emotionally, I believe Kate was ready to make a move with Sawyer, but he pulled the con, giving her reason to pause. Giving her reason to believe he didn't care. Although she still hung around him, the air between them had changed up until "?" where Sawyer put aside his pride and jealousy to comfort Kate after Libby's death.

I think, (and now I'm rambling) Kate knew Sawyer would back her play during 'LTDA', but still looked to Jack at the end for reassurance that whatever plan he had would work.

Like you, I believe S3 will place both men in a new light for Kate. Dezdamona made the comment over on LF that whatever realization Kate comes to, it will bookend her daddy issues that were partially addressed in 'WKD' with Kate coming to a resolution about her "good dad" Sam, and the hell he allowed Kate to remain in despite his knowledge of the violence and abuse in that home.

Save The Humans

10-01-2006, 03:36 AM

Ghost963

10-01-2006, 05:13 AM

ravenmoon

10-01-2006, 08:21 AM

October 1st - Official Waikiki Spoiler for Tale of Two Cities - EP: Tale of Two Cities - Source: Jay 279 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58728)

In case anyone is interested. . . .

Oh, and
Kate IS the one who will suffer most in this one. Scary.

Hmm, those spoilers were interesting, and quite disterbing. It does sound like poor old kate gets the rough end of the deal. Sounds like we see a bit of whata happens at her breakfast with henry but then when we see her next she is considerably more messed up than when we saw her last, which would imply more went on at that breakfast than we will be shown. Poor Kate. I don't know if this is accurate but its interesting if when kate asks about sawyer and jack she does it in that order and then fenry questions why she chose sawyers name first. Maybe we wern't far off when we all thought it was because ocf the trinagle that they got caught.

Sounds like sawyer is going to be suitably wound up by trying to get food, it sounds like he spends the whole episode trying to get food then when kate is put in the cage next to him he shares it with her and compliments her on her dress. Aww bless him, this sounds like a sweet scene.

I'm so excited about this episode! The stuff isn't too spoilery I dont think, so I'm still really hyped for the episode!!!!!!!

I wish it was October 4th now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100%
I've just been thinking about the spoiler we got about sawyer

"We see Sawyer as a bona fide wuss (for good reason) -- and learn a secret that reveals he has an entirely different role in life than we (or he) ever knew."

and wondered what peoples take on it was?

I was thinking that maybe he is wuss because for him to fight or something would harm kate, or it would somehow benefit kate if he doesn't. Maybe this shows us that he finally might be moving away from his self destructiveness. And the second part must be related to the sawyer flashback in episode 4. Maybe we see that some of his actions he previously thought was bad, had a good result for someone. I think this is definetly hinting that we are going to be seeing a different side of sawyer inb his flashback episode, and I for one can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dezdemona

10-01-2006, 10:35 AM

girlspy15

10-01-2006, 11:57 AM

Still hangin tough here and tryin to avoid those new Hawaii spoilers. I think come this week though, especially moments before the show they will become mighty tempting to look at, lol.

And the general consenses about...

Who Kate chooses. Its Skate or nothing for me. Weve been jerked around long enough, and Im at the end of my patience rope, lol. So I hope its Sawyer, and if its Jack, then I will be disappointed and hope that they allow Sawyer to take a more prominent role on his own. Not a likely scenario, IMO but Im ready for whatever they toss out. Just hope she picks the right guy. ;)

I was talking to someone about this today.. about why she was so hurt by what he did in TLC.. read her words there. "you played us.. you played me.." That second part is what hurt her, not that he conned everyone but that he conned her. She could've dealt with it otherwise, might have let it go , but it hurt her that he used her. This goes with the adage of the idea that it's the people you love that can hurt you the most. That wasn't just about friendship anymore there. She was putting herself out there emotionally for him. And he got typically scared and pushed her back by using her just like everyone else. Making her look like she was just another mark, someone he didn't care about, when she was anything but. He'd love to pretend that she dosen't matter, 'she ain't in my head Doc" but saying that he proved that she is.

Thought of something else as well, while i'm rambling a bit here :biggrin: Someone told me about the movie "The Village" and about a scene where the blind girl tells the guy, can't remember his name that she knows he cares about her because he would never touch her, cause if he did others would know how he felt about her. "Sometimes we don't do things we want to do so that others won't know we want to do them." After Sawyer got back from the raft, he pretty much had Kate there, and never made any kind of real move with her. He could've but didn't. Why? cause with her it's different, he crosses a certain line with her and he can't go back, cause it means something now..

I don't know what i was trying to get across with this pointless ramble.. just random thoughts in my head..

:clap: for fricksy. I love that scene. You can really see how raw and hurt Kate felt after Sawyer pulled the long con. And she kept asking him Why? That was the saddest part, cause you could see the frustration and anger in her eyes. Like she was asking him, why he had to do this to himself cause she wanted to care about him. Hoping Sawyer gets past some of those demons in s3.

And I love The Village fricks :D. I think thats an excellent example. Up until now Sawyer has played women and used them. With Kate its different because he sees her as something more, a real person, a real woman, and not just a mark. Which I agree is why he hasnt made a clear move on her. I imagine this is the first time in his life that hes ever lacked the self confidence to go for it. Partially to, I think its cause he takes down some of his walls when hes around her, and the self confidence part goes more with his Sawyer persona, not James.

Anyway, great discussion people! I look forward to reading more. Eek, 4 more days!!!!

SawyersGirl88

10-01-2006, 01:15 PM

I think that Kate and Sawyer show so much promise together.. but if if it turns out to be Jate, I'd be really upset. Character-wise, I think that if they end up together instead of Skate, it'll be like a total u-turn in personality growth for Sawyer, you know? He's learning to open up and trust people around him, to trust his heart and his feelings instead of keeping them bottled up inside, to trust Kate to be open and honest with him.. if Jate were the ending result, I think he would be so upset or angry that his trust issues could never be resolved and he'd go back to being the complete meanie (used in place of a slightly meaner word) and there would be no fun in seeing him with all his walls up again.. It hurts me to see his self-destructiveness. I think he deserves a chance at happiness. Not to mention Kate and Jack being in a volatile relationship.. Everything I've seen is so 'rollercoaster' (not in the good way) with them. First he's giving Kate attention, then he's lecturing her or pissy at her. That's not a good foundation for a strong pairing. This story is about growth and redemption, but I just think the Jate storyline wouldn't work.

okay, rant over!

Perdue

10-01-2006, 01:39 PM

Up until now Sawyer has played women and used them. With Kate it's different because he sees her as something more, a real person, a real woman, and not just a mark. Which I agree is why he hasnt made a clear move on her. I imagine this is the first time in his life that hes ever lacked the self confidence to go for it.

I don't think it's lack of confidence exactly. I think it's more that if he got her into bed he would actually feel something, be emotionally involved and he is scared to death of that. I agree he actually sees Kate as a person, not just a mark and because underneath the "Me first, second and always" personna he has developed there still is a person capable of love. It's almost like, for the first time in his life, he cares about someone else's feelings as much, maybe more, than his own. If this were just about sex, he'd have the confidence to try and the confidence to shake off a rejection.

The other thing is that he really hasn't made any attempt on any of the women on the island. Yes, he had sex with Ana Lucia, but she literally made the move on him. He didn't come on to her. It's almost like he can't become that intimate with anyone who is going to remain in his life for any length of time. He has to be able to love 'em and leave 'em. And on the island, he can't leave 'em even if he wanted to.

car88win

10-01-2006, 03:50 PM

he can't leave 'em even if he wanted to.Oh, the agony of just the thought :rolleyes:

Ghost963

10-01-2006, 04:04 PM

Interesting thought Perdue. I think what's an interesting trend with Sawyer is the concept of time spent. If he's able to keep his time spent with a woman to the minimum, he can walk in and walk out without a second thought. But it's when he's forced to spend time with them (whether for a long con or stuck on an island) that his feelings start to creep in. In the episode TLC when he was forced to spend all that time with the target and then ends up saving her life, not just because of the money, but because he legitimatly cared about her wellbeing. I even saw this Confidence Man when Sawyer backed out of the con because of the little boy.

Kate is absolutly no different. Sawyer conned Kate along with everyone else in TLC and when suddenly this woman who he used for the con is still standing in front of him feeling hurt that he did it, Sawyer feels horrible. To forgive and forget is an amazing thing, but unfortiunatly sometimes if you can't forget something, there's no way to forgive it or yourself. And it's hard to forget something if you're crashed on an island of mystery with it... :smile:

Hi! I just woke up and this is my first rant of the day!

fricksgurl75

10-01-2006, 04:33 PM

emmadoggy

10-01-2006, 05:48 PM

that's the thing in a nutshell he can't cut and run here. He's stuck. It was always funny to me that he used the run line on her, cause he does the exact same thing here. And the tinng with Ana, he had actually to stick and see the consquences of his actions for once. The fallout, the destruction that he believes, rightly or wrongly that he caused here.

Like Perdue and others have said it would be real to him, an emotional involvement that you can't back away from. You cross that line and you can't go back again. This isn't just another woman here it's Kate, and she matters to him. It's always amazing to me that he can do all these things and say all these things to womenn he dose't give a damn about, but the one he does he can barely bring himself to touch sometimes. I think the thing with Sawyer is he wants Kate around him too, but on his terms, at a safe emotional distance so to speak, and that's getting harder and harder to do. She has totally dug herself a place in his heart, which he didn't believe still existed until now. And it's frankly scaring the crap outta him.

And bringing up the lack of effort toward the other woman on the island. No involvment whatsover. Almost zero interest too. Ana jumped him, he showed no inclination otherwise, just reacted in the moment. He knew exactly what to do there, nothing complicated about it. But around Kate he's treading new, dangerous waters. It's confusing and there's a lack of the control he so desparatly wants. Hehehe, welcome to the world of humanity again Sawyer.. :biggrin:

Hi, everyone. I've been MIA for quite a while and when I am here, I mostly lurk. But I've decided to jump in. I have a few of my own thoughts regarding Sawyer. I agree with the above and much of the other analysis everyone has discussed here.
I would like to add that I also feel that in addition to the walls Sawyer has built around himself in self-protection and self-hate, when it comes to Kate I think he is so drawn to her he can't help himself, but he keeps trying to keep her at a distance in order to PROTECT her as well. Maybe he feels he is guaranteed to do something to hurt her if he gets close to her and he is trying to keep himself at a distance so as not to do that - because he DOES care. He doesn't want to hurt her and knows that he will, no matter how much he doesn't want to.
I also think that despite Sawyer's background and the type of person he became - a conman, manipulator, and user of people - that underneath all that, there is a person who actually cares about people. Like others here have said, in the past he has always been able to use people and then toss them away, move on, and not have to deal with or think about them again - they are out of his life. He's lived a transient life and has never formed deep attachements with anyone.
Now he is trapped on an island and living within a small community of people on a daily basis - something he's never done - and the time spent with these people and the dangers they've faced have forced Sawyer into developing lasting relationships with people - most especially Kate. He is emerging as a vital part of that community - despite trying to be the anti-hero, he has actually become the hero on a number of occasions. He presents a selfish and self-motivated front to people, but his actions, at times, contradict that. He tried to protect/save Walt, he gave up (what was it again?? Can't remember...) for the baby when they came to him and asked. As soon as they said it was for the baby, he was like, "well, why didn't you say so" and willingly handed it over. He gave Sun a little inquisition, but pretty easily gave her the pg test. He followed Kate around the jungle, secretly trying to "protect" her. He jumped right in to help and was on the front line to help put out the fire. He gave Kate the gun she asked for in Maternity Leave. He, apparently, is the self-appointed wood chopper for the group.
For the first time since he was a small child, Sawyer has a family/community. He's fighting it because that's all he knows, but that instinctive response to protect your family or community is coming through in him. It's there.
And he is in deep with Kate and he is afraid for his own self-preservation, but also for hers. He doesn't want to fall in love with her and then hurt her or have to give her up, the way he did with Cassidy.

Ok, sorry for rambling on so much. There was some other point I wanted to make, but now I've lost my train of thought.

I am practically bursting at the seams waiting for Wednesday night!! I can't WAIT to see what juicy goings-on happen with Kate and Sawyer (and ok, Jack too, I suppose. lol.)! :jump:

MidnightSawyerfan

10-01-2006, 06:18 PM

For the first time since he was a small child, Sawyer has a family/community. He's fighting it because that's all he knows, but that instinctive response to protect your family or community is coming through in him. It's there.
And he is in deep with Kate and he is afraid for his own self-preservation, but also for hers. He doesn't want to fall in love with her and then hurt her or have to give her up, the way he did with Cassidy.

Ok, sorry for rambling on so much. There was some other point I wanted to make, but now I've lost my train of thought.

I am practically bursting at the seams waiting for Wednesday night!! I can't WAIT to see what juicy goings-on happen with Kate and Sawyer (and ok, Jack too, I suppose. lol.)! :jump:

That's so true Emmadoggy - Sawyer does instinctively protect his 'community' - he does have such an endearing likeable side to him - he just can't help but help out when it is really needed - though his being-awkward streak seems to be what people remember him for.
I'm gonna spoiler-font the rest just in case anyone takes this as anything going to happen -
I think that with Kate he must be so scared to admit his feelings to himself apart from admitting them to her - he has so much to lose - i.e. a - if Kate doesn't react positively to his feelings and b - if they do get together and he has to lose her further down the line because of his own actions (what he fears) or for other reasons he has no control over. This must be the first time in his life since his parents died, that someone has meant so much to him - what a naturally scary thought - would make anyone want to stay in that comfort zone where nothing is said to rock the boat. It's easier to keep quiet and do nothing about it than say something and risk losing the other person completely.

Of course, it seems that Kate is going to be making the decision this time around, so he doesn't have to think about it too much - let's hope she makes the right one - the man with dimples who loves her like no other :biggrin: :mushy:

....Can't wait for the whole first 6 episodes of Season 3!

car88win

10-01-2006, 06:21 PM

Heya Emma, glad to have you out of lurkdom. And NICE point MSF.

Save The Humans

10-01-2006, 07:05 PM

Well, after
learning what Jack can be like, in his FBs this week,
I'd recommend that Kate get as far from him, and as close to James, as humanly possible!

Jack's swings from caring to domineering and back again have always disturbed me, especially in relation to Kate,
but they make SO MUCH MORE sense now!

Choose James, Kate!

Where is Lisa? :sob:

Perdue

10-01-2006, 07:11 PM

losttvfan

10-01-2006, 07:15 PM

MidnightSawyerfan

10-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Aw Midnight I had to pop in to say I love that line and two little smileys are perfect for our couple! :biggrin: :mushy:

:blushing: Thanks Losttv.

Everyone, please help raise the vote for SKate here, their votes are currently dropping:

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/kate-poll/topic/11431-501355/msgs.html

Thank you :biggrin:

Save The Humans

10-01-2006, 07:59 PM

HOW CAN THEY BE VOTING AGAINST SKATE?! :wacko:

I just gave 'em my vote, Midnight! :thumbsup:

MidnightSawyerfan

10-01-2006, 08:05 PM

God bless your little SKating heart STH! :laugh:

girlspy15

10-01-2006, 08:10 PM

HOW CAN THEY BE VOTING AGAINST SKATE?!

Hehe, yeah the very thought is preposterous STH. ;) Any way voted too. :D

Oh and I have chapter 5 up of Sum of A Whole, heres the link...

http://kateandsawyer.co.uk/viewstory.php?sid=1577&i=1

Its kindof a filler chapter and I promise theres more twists to come along the way, just have to be patient.

IceKat55

10-01-2006, 08:22 PM

I've just been thinking about the spoiler we got about sawyer

"We see Sawyer as a bona fide wuss (for good reason) -- and learn a secret that reveals he has an entirely different role in life than we (or he) ever knew."

and wondered what peoples take on it was?

I was thinking that maybe he is wuss because for him to fight or something would harm kate, or it would somehow benefit kate if he doesn't. Maybe this shows us that he finally might be moving away from his self destructiveness. And the second part must be related to the sawyer flashback in episode 4. Maybe we see that some of his actions he previously thought was bad, had a good result for someone. I think this is definetly hinting that we are going to be seeing a different side of sawyer inb his flashback episode, and I for one can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: the above spoiler, I think it could possibly turn out to mean that Sawyer's "different role in life" is as a daddy. Maybe that Carl kid is his son from waaaaaay back, Sawyer knocked up some girl he was conning, and never knew about it...but the Others did/do (since they seem to know every tiny detail about Jack...why not Sawyer as well?) They've somehow got hold of Carl and put him in the cage next to Sawyer to see how they'll interact. Carl "escaping" is a set up...they wanted to see if he'd help Sawyer escape as well.

Wouldn't that be an interesting situation to thrust Sawyer into? He's always looked out for Number One...but having a son would change his perspective entirely!

Darbi

10-01-2006, 08:58 PM

Where is everyone tonight?

lisagwilkins

10-01-2006, 10:01 PM

I'm here Darbi...

Howdy dear OutKaSts,

Hope everyone is fine tonight. Okay here's something for us to think about between now and the Heaven that will begin on Wednesday...

List your favorite Sawyer and Kate moments...and let's come up with something a little more than the kiss and the hug and the pill scene...they are moments that prove without a doubt how they feel about each other, but what about some of the others...

Okay so here are some of mine...

Kate: "I thought you were taking me to the guns."
Sawyer: "Do you have to make everything so damn difficult? Just go in."

and,

Kate: "What do you want, Sawyer?"
Sawyer: "Freckles, I got so many answers to that question, I wouldn't even know where to start."

and,

Kate: "So you decided to join us?"
Sawyer: "I'm a complex guy, sweetheart."

Anybody else, wanna list theirs...

And as for the comment about Sawyer being a wuss, that is a distortion. The direct correct wording is "we see Sawyer as a wuss..." Key words, people are "see Sawyer as", which in no way makes him one. Perhaps if he's being seen in this light, then there must be a reason for it. My personal choice, this is the reference to the emotions he's going to have to deal with when Kate choses him...

But as usual Kristin has chosen a not so nice choice of words...

:cheerleader: Okay folks, I have to say this, I don't think I've ever been as positive or excited about the new season and how much these two love each other as I am now. I can't wait to see what happens, and I think we should just forget all about sleeping on Wednesday night.

I am now 98.9% sure that everthing is going to turn out for us, so let's get ready folks...we won't get a whole lot on Wednesday I don't think but by Epi 4 I would say it'll be champagne time. And my darlin's, I think Dom Perignon is in order here...this one's been a long time comin'. :biggrin: :mushy:

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

Darbi

10-01-2006, 10:18 PM

Favorite moment or quotes?

"Hot oil death match, my money's on you, Sheena."
"Thanks for the vote of confidence."

:biglaugh:

"What? Are you serious?"
"Baby, I'm tied to a tree in the jungle of mystery. I just got tortured by a damn spinal surgeon and a genuine Iraqi. 'Course I'm serious. You're just not looking at the big picture, Freckles. You really gonna let that woman suffocate because you can't bring yourself to give me one little kiss? Hell, it's only first base. Lucky for you I ain't greedy." (He's totally greedy) ;)

"Okay."

"Okay."

"You see that?"
"If you mean the big *** horse standing in the middle of the jungle...then yeah."

:biggrin:

Perdue

10-01-2006, 10:20 PM

Oh, Lisa Lady, I love you, darlin'. I can't help but be optomistic when I read what you have to say. Whatever happens, it's goin' be a hellova ride.

KatieFord

10-01-2006, 10:28 PM

I've been up half the night trawling for spoilers based on the Hawaii premiere, which I will NOT bring here because I don't want to spoil anyone who doesn't wish to be. (It's just too easy to make a mistake here, or to convey feelings about something, and so on.) However, for those who might be interested, I wanted to let you know that the LF Skate Forum has a thread entitled "Episode 1: 'A Tale of Two Cities'" with tons of stuff in it.

If your spoiler interest is Skate only (i.e. Sawyer, Kate, Sawyer/Kate), then look for posts that specify "Skate Spoilers" before highlighting the spoilers. Almost everything that's on the internet anywhere is in that thread somewhere because CSI:Skate is very thorough. Keep in mind, however, that if it doesn't clearly say "Skate Spoilers", it probably relates to other stuff. So you can decide what you want to highlight to make visible ...or not.

Spoiled rotten or pure as the driven snow, I wish you each and all a very fine day. I'm going to have a nap now! :p

Thanks for the info Dez!!! I'm staying unspoiled; it's so close to Oct 4 now that I can handle it. Plus, I've got my b-day the day before to distract me!

:blushing: Thanks Losttv.

Everyone, please help raise the vote for SKate here, their votes are currently dropping:

http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/kate-poll/topic/11431-501355/msgs.html

Thank you :biggrin:

:frown: I already voted before. :frown:

I'm here Darbi...

Howdy dear OutKaSts,

Hope everyone is fine tonight. Okay here's something for us to think about between now and the Heaven that will begin on Wednesday...

List your favorite Sawyer and Kate moments...and let's come up with something a little more than the kiss and the hug and the pill scene...they are moments that prove without a doubt how they feel about each other, but what about some of the others...

Okay so here are some of mine...

Kate: "I thought you were taking me to the guns."
Sawyer: "Do you have to make everything so damn difficult? Just go in."

and,

Kate: "What do you want, Sawyer?"
Sawyer: "Freckles, I got so many answers to that question, I wouldn't even know where to start."

and,

Kate: "So you decided to join us?"
Sawyer: "I'm a complex guy, sweetheart."

Anybody else, wanna list theirs...

Yaaay, good one Lees! :cheerleader: ::attempts a high kick and thinks better of trying out for the squad:: ;)

ummmm, I have to think about it ...

Kate: "...and every time that I look at Sawyer, every time I feel something for him - I see you, Wayne, and it makes me sick!"
Sawyer: "mmm...that's about the sweetest thing I've ever heard. And who the hell's Wayne?"

I'll think of more soon! and now i'm off to bake!

Loves, y'all! :heart:

fricksgurl75

10-01-2006, 11:10 PM

That's so true Emmadoggy - Sawyer does instinctively protect his 'community' - he does have such an endearing likeable side to him - he just can't help but help out when it is really needed - though his being-awkward streak seems to be what people remember him for.
I'm gonna spoiler-font the rest just in case anyone takes this as anything going to happen -
I think that with Kate he must be so scared to admit his feelings to himself apart from admitting them to her - he has so much to lose - i.e. a - if Kate doesn't react positively to his feelings and b - if they do get together and he has to lose her further down the line because of his own actions (what he fears) or for other reasons he has no control over. This must be the first time in his life since his parents died, that someone has meant so much to him - what a naturally scary thought - would make anyone want to stay in that comfort zone where nothing is said to rock the boat. It's easier to keep quiet and do nothing about it than say something and risk losing the other person completely.

Of course, it seems that Kate is going to be making the decision this time around, so he doesn't have to think about it too much - let's hope she makes the right one - the man with dimples who loves her like no other :biggrin: :mushy:

....Can't wait for the whole first 6 episodes of Season 3!

OMG Midnight i love that last line...
and it's so damn true. It's easier to do nothing, cause you risk nothing in that sense. How times do we crawl back into a comfort zone instead taking that risk? And i agree wth you and Emma, nice to meet you btw :biggrin: ,about the idea that he is maybe protecting her from himself as well. It's a very possible. He knows his own destructive tendencies and the damage he can cause to people, he's done it his whole life. And we've always noticed that the good things he does with little thought, it's only when he thinks to hard that he gets himself into trouble.

As for the spoiler question i think i agree with Lisa cause we were just talking about this werent' we? ;)

I think it's very possible that 'wuss' statement could have alot to with showing emotion that he rarely shows. Some sort of breatkdown or maybe not putting up a fight to protect someone. And either way, and for whatever reason i will never consider him one.

What it comes down to for me is that by loving Kate Sawyer has been changed. Even if she ends up with Jack, Sawyer has still been changed. And I can't see how having him changed by love and then destroyed again when that love isn't recirocated can possibly be redemptive.
And on the flip side, how has Jack been changed by Kate's love? He seems to be the exact same person he was before with regards to intimate relationships--always fixing, never engaging.

Totally true Perdue i think Jack has remained static in that sense and while Sawyer changed due to Kate's influence..

and i can't see how her rejecting him in favor of Jack is supposed to help with his growth in any kind of way. It would feed the negative opinion he has of himself. He could reject her, on the basis of the things we've discussed but i can't see the benefit of the rejection, it would just be yet another person not wanting him..

List your favorite Sawyer and Kate moments...and let's come up with something a little more than the kiss and the hug and the pill scene...they are moments that prove without a doubt how they feel about each other, but what about some of the others...

Sawyer: "What you got an appointment or somethin?"
Kate: (reading the magazine)"how to tell if he's a sensitive man.."
Sawyer "this outta be good..."

Kate:(while cutting Sawyers hair) "you don't have be belligerent for belligerence sake.."

Kate (referring to Claire's diary) you didn't really read it did you?"
Sawyer: "hadn't got around to it yet.."

i'll think of more later :biggrin:

Darbi

10-01-2006, 11:14 PM

"What? You some no fun, navel gazing mopey type?"

losttvfan

10-01-2006, 11:18 PM

Darbi

10-01-2006, 11:27 PM

"Oh, I don't neeeed protection. Me Kate. Me throw rock." :biglaugh:

Perdue

10-01-2006, 11:32 PM

"Oh, I don't neeeed protection. Me Kate. Me throw rock." :biglaugh:
That has got to be one of my all time favorite lines between them.

Darbi

10-01-2006, 11:36 PM

That has got to be one of my all time favorite lines between them.

What I loved about that entire exchange is Sawyer's bumbling attempt to not only protect Kate but to get to know her a little better. Get her to loosen up. For a guy who made a living seducing women, you'd think his approach would be a lot smoother. Yeah, not so much. :winkkiss:

Perdue

10-01-2006, 11:40 PM

What I loved about that entire exchange is Sawyer's bumbling attempt to not only protect Kate but to get to know her a little better. Get her to loosen up. For a guy who made a living seducing women, you'd think his approach would be a lot smoother. Yeah, not so much. :winkkiss:

Well, clearly this is what happens to Sawyer when someone "doesn't get under his skin." He loses his old charm. And that's what I loved about it as well. He was the furtherest thing from the sauve con man he could get. He was almost sweet.

fricksgurl75

10-01-2006, 11:44 PM

"Oh, I don't neeeed protection. Me Kate. Me throw rock." :biglaugh:

Darbi that line makes me laugh like this --> :biglaugh: everytime i hear it... just the way he says it...

"protection from what? Southern perverts?" :biggrin:

"from one outkast to another, i'd try making more of an effort.."
that's ones just cute..

and of course 'i'll take that action" :biggrin:

Well, clearly this is what happens to Sawyer when someone "doesn't get under his skin." He loses his old charm. And that's what I loved about it as well. He was the furtherest thing from the sauve con man he could get. He was almost sweet

he just stumbles and bumbles with her sometimes its so dam cute. It was almost like he was a little kid with a crush :biggrin: .

Luanne

10-01-2006, 11:46 PM

What it comes down to for me is that by loving Kate Sawyer has been changed. Even if she ends up with Jack, Sawyer has still been changed. And I can't see how having him changed by love and then destroyed again when that love isn't recirocated can possibly be redemptive.
And on the flip side, how has Jack been changed by Kate's love? He seems to be the exact same person he was before with regards to intimate relationships--always fixing, never engaging.

Good point Perdue

I think its obvious that Kate has had a positive effect on Sawyer. Lets assume for argument sake that Kate loves both Jack and Sawyer. How is Jack changed because of Kate? I am not sure he is. I think he still has a need to "fix", still can't let go, has to control and do everything himself, and he certainly doesn't know when to lighten up and have fun. I have said this elsewhere, but I am not sure why have Sawyer put himself out there emotionally for Kate and express his true feelings, if she is just going to say to Sawyer "well, Sawyer that was a nice speech, but I love Jack". If that is what is going to happen then what is the point of Sawyer admitting his feelings. Just so he can feel rejectioin? Is the point to reset Sawyer back to the loner and angry person he was on the first day of the crash. I believe his redemption should not only be because he loves someone, but they love him in return and not because the first choice wasn't available, but also to know that no matter what you have done in the past there is going to be a person that will love you and won't let you push her away.

Perdue

10-01-2006, 11:51 PM

believe his redemption should not only be because he loves someone, but they love him in return and not because the first choice wasn't available, but also to know that no matter what you have done in the past there is going to be a person that will love you and won't let you push her away.

:shesaid:

Darbi

10-02-2006, 12:04 AM

Well, clearly this is what happens to Sawyer when someone "doesn't get under his skin." He loses his old charm. And that's what I loved about it as well. He was the furtherest thing from the sauve con man he could get. He was almost sweet.

Almost? Kate could have actually develop a instant cavity if she bit into him at that moment. ;)

fricksgurl75

10-02-2006, 12:08 AM

Good point Perdue

I think its obvious that Kate has had a positive effect on Sawyer. Lets assume for argument sake that Kate loves both Jack and Sawyer. How is Jack changed because of Kate? I am not sure he is. I think he still has a need to "fix", still can't let go, has to control and do everything himself, and he certainly doesn't know when to lighten up and have fun. I have said this elsewhere, but I am not sure why have Sawyer put himself out there emotionally for Kate and express his true feelings, if she is just going to say to Sawyer "well, Sawyer that was a nice speech, but I love Jack". If that is what is going to happen then what is the point of Sawyer admitting his feelings. Just so he can feel rejectioin? Is the point to reset Sawyer back to the loner and angry person he was on the first day of the crash. I believe his redemption should not only be because he loves someone, but they love him in return and not because the first choice wasn't available, but also to know that no matter what you have done in the past there is going to be a person that will love you and won't let you push her away.

once again Luanne you share your brilliance with us..:biggrin: ITA

lisagwilkins

10-02-2006, 12:31 AM

Here's a couple more that I thought we'd like, now granted it wasn't a Sawyer and Kate line but still a good one.

Sawyer: "So a tribe of evil natives planted a ringer in the camp to kidnap a pregnant girl and a reject from VH1 Hasbeens, yea, fiendishly clever."

and,

Kate: "What kind of person do I think you are? I don't think this has anything to do with guns, or getting your stash back. I THINK YOU WANT PEOPLE TO HATE YOU!!"

Sawyer: "Good thing you don't hate me, Freckles."

and,

Sawyer: "You're so worried about me, why doncha gimme the clip back?"
Kate: "Put your gun back in your pants Sawyer."

and, this one isn't Kate and Sawyer, but Sawyer and Jack.

Jack: "I'm here because no one else wants to have anything to do with you."
Sawyer: "She does."

Gosh, I could go on with this all night...hehehe...

Nice to meet you Emmadoggy, you can let me or girlspy15 know if you'd like to be a member so that we can get you a number!!!

Darbi

10-02-2006, 12:48 AM

"I've got a two tubes of sun screen and a flashlight that says he chokes." (the man does know how to make an entrance) :biggrin:

"I'll take that action."

fricksgurl75

10-02-2006, 01:12 AM

"did you just throw a banana at me?" :biggrin:

Darbi

10-02-2006, 01:13 AM

"Couldn't find any rocks." :lol:

You know, we always talk about Sawyer's bumbling attempts to get to know Kate better, protect her...whatever. But we never really talk about Kate's quirky way of flirting with Sawyer.

She's almost...shy. Like she's unsure of herself, and how to flirt, or at least intiate flirting with Sawyer. Bantering with him while keeping her emotional distance is one thing, but flirting...something I'm sure Kate's quite capable of suddenly becomes new, uncharted territory with him.

lisagwilkins

10-02-2006, 01:17 AM

"There's nicer ways to wake a man up, Freckles."

At this rate we'll just type up the whole scene...:biggrin:

fricksgurl75

10-02-2006, 01:19 AM

and don't forget... the sexiest word he ever said to her....

"thanks...." :biggrin:

Perdue

10-02-2006, 01:23 AM

I've been thinking, always dangerous. :) and I've decided the reason that I greatly prefer Sawyer to Jack with Kate is because I can see not only what both men are, but what they can be. Yes, Jack is the good guy, the physician, the take-charge fixer person. Yes, Sawyer is the womanizing con man who looks out for himself only.

However, Jack has the potential for being verbally if not physically abusive, arrogant, self-centered, demanding and harsh. Sawyer has the potential for being loving, self-sacrificing, gentle, and courageous.

Will Jack become the negatives? Will Sawyer become the positives? I don't know--hopefully TPTB know--but when I look at the two relationships and what could happen in them, I like the potential for Skate better than Jate. If Jack remains the good guy through and through to the end and Sawyer remains a donkey's behind, well, then Kate would be better off with Jack. It's just that would make for rather dull viewing and I don't think that's going to happen.

lisagwilkins

10-02-2006, 01:23 AM

and don't forget... the sexiest word he ever said to her....

"thanks...." :biggrin:

and let's not forget the uneasy breath she took right then and the way she looked up at him before she grinned and said, "come on."

Oh and how about this one....

Kate: "You come to say you're sorry, Sawyer?"
Sawyer: "Heh, sorry don't suit me."

and the zinger,

Kate: "Why is it so important for you to be on that raft."
Sawyer: "'Cause there ain't anything on this island worth stayin' for."

Raise your hand if you were yelling at the TV going "TELL HIM!!!!!"

Perdue

10-02-2006, 01:24 AM

Besides, Sawyer makes her laugh.

fricksgurl75

10-02-2006, 01:34 AM

and let's not forget the uneasy breath she took right then and the way she looked up at him before she grinned and said, "come on."

Oh and how about this one....

Kate: "You come to say you're sorry, Sawyer?"
Sawyer: "Heh, sorry don't suit me."

and the zinger,

Kate: "Why is it so important for you to be on that raft."
Sawyer: "'Cause there ain't anything on this island worth stayin' for."

Raise your hand if you were yelling at the TV going "TELL HIM!!!!!"

*raises her hand frantically*

and all she says is "be safe Sawyer" :frown:
next time she sees the guy he's half dead..

"are we saved?"
"not yet Sawyer"
*sigh* i love that...
and "your home" :biggrin:

You know, we always talk about Sawyer's bumbling attempts to get to know Kate better, protect her...whatever. But we never really talk about Kate's quirky way of flirting with Sawyer.

She's almost...shy. Like she's unsure of herself, and how to flirt, or at least intiate flirting with Sawyer. Bantering with him while keeping her emotional distance is one thing, but flirting...something I'm sure Kate's quite capable of suddenly becomes new, uncharted territory with him.

that's because Sawyers different, the usual stuff dosen't work on him... so it makes her unsure cause she can't play the normal 'flirty innocent girl' routine with him.

lisagwilkins

10-02-2006, 01:46 AM

*raises her hand frantically*

and all she says is "be safe Sawyer" :frown:
next time she sees the guy he's half dead..

"are we saved?"
"not yet Sawyer"
*sigh* i love that...
and "your home" :biggrin:

And you know what Fricks, he said the same thing, "well lookey there, the current brought us back...we're home."

Perdue

10-02-2006, 02:08 AM

I also like in "I Never" when Kate says she never had a one night stand and Sawyer coughs/choaks on his drink and she says, "Drink up!" and he says something like "Gotta drink for each one?" I doubt the cough was intended; he probably actually swallowed wrong in that take, but it worked perfectly.

Save The Humans

10-02-2006, 02:12 AM

:wavey:, Lisa! I was wondering where you'd gotten to!

I've been thinking, always dangerous. :) and I've decided the reason that I greatly prefer Sawyer to Jack with Kate is because I can see not only what both men are, but what they can be. Yes, Jack is the good guy, the physician, the take-charge fixer person. Yes, Sawyer is the womanizing con man who looks out for himself only.

However, Jack has the potential for being verbally if not physically abusive, arrogant, self-centered, demanding and harsh. Sawyer has the potential for being loving, self-sacrificing, gentle, and courageous.

Will Jack become the negatives? Will Sawyer become the positives? I don't know--hopefully TPTB know--but when I look at the two relationships and what could happen in them, I like the potential for Skate better than Jate. If Jack remains the good guy through and through to the end and Sawyer remains a donkey's behind, well, then Kate would be better off with Jack. It's just that would make for rather dull viewing and I don't think that's going to happen.
Perdue, I think you may turn out to be psychic. . . .

TRoss

10-02-2006, 02:38 AM

Hello fellow skaters. :hug: Long time no see. Getting REALLY EXCITED about the preview!

SawyersGirl88

10-04-2006, 09:25 PM

It says I'm no longer subscribed to this thread.. what happened?

fricksgurl75

10-05-2006, 12:39 AM

Starrox

10-05-2006, 12:44 AM

It says I'm no longer subscribed to this thread.. what happened?

Did you subscribe to the thread after the server move? If yes - the reason is that the board is using an old copy of the database right now, so all posts made after the move are gone right now, as are all things you changed in your profile in the past two days.

Kristina

10-05-2006, 04:09 AM

ok let me the first to post and say.... spoiler fonting for now..

the epi was fantastic... the fact that she not once but TWICE said Sawyer's name first IS significant. And that Henry picked up on it made it more so. The Skate scene we got at the end was beautiful and cute beyond words.. you can tell just how much Sawyer has fallen for her.. it's written on his face when he first sees her, complements the dress and makes her smile and laugh.. and in his obvious thought that they did something to her. But to me the biggest thing, other than him asking if she's ok :biggrin: is that he gives her the food he's worked hard to get. If that's not love i don't know what is. The synopsis of this scene does not give it justice at all.

oh and it appears the kiss will be in the next epi SQUEEEEE but anyways.. :biggrin:
i really did like this epi and felt bad for Jack, honestly.. and Juliet and his scenes were really good too

I KNOW!!!!!!!! I was so excited I almost screamed out loud........ I totally agree with you, and I have a feeling that his season will be very interesting.

BTW Does anyone know when we can we stop spoilerfonting info on the eppi???

EDT: OMG!!!!! I just saw the preview for 3x2 and it was ....... AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!! This might very well be a great, wonderful, amazing, fantastic and stunning season (I'm running out of worlds :))

Ghost963

10-05-2006, 06:48 AM

i just wanted to stop by and share in the excitement about next weeks promo! Oh yes, that rocked!
that promo had my long time Jater friend hanging her head and admitting defeat :wink1:
When exactly is that event-that-must-not-be-spoken-of? Is it in 3.2 or a later one? Oh boy oh boy, I hope it's next week... After months of waiting, you would think waiting a week for the next episode would be cake, but it's killing me... again!!

Save The Humans

10-05-2006, 07:28 AM

Anything that happened in Eppy 3.1 is now NOT spoiler material, and doesn't have to be fonted--isn't that right?

Still have to spoiler font for stuff about future eppys, and stuff that hasn't happened yet, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, mods.

And can someone TELL me what the heck happened here yesterday? WHY The Lage was inaccessible? WHY all the stuff from October 3 is gone?

This have anything to do with the move? I was just :crybaby: and :wallbash: over this!

And yes, it does appear that The Others have similar plans for James and Kate. That's why they are now in the same place. Maybe
they're a package deal to Them? Both re-moldable criminals who could be coupled?

We shall have to wait and see--but at least not wait as long as we have been! :D

girlspy15

10-05-2006, 09:24 AM

Let me just say again.....

WOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!! :party:

:D:D:D

Omg, was that just not the sweetest thing ever? He gave her his fish biscut--swoons. And that look at the end. Sighs. Okay Im gonna be a total girly girl today. lol, Reveling in that moment. ;)

Oh man I love Skate!!! :heart:

So cant wait for next week. :eek:

Myha

10-05-2006, 09:26 AM

Anything that happened in Eppy 3.1 is now NOT spoiler material, and doesn't have to be fonted--isn't that right?

Still have to spoiler font for stuff about future eppys, and stuff that hasn't happened yet, though.

Correct me if I'm wrong, mods.

And can someone TELL me what the heck happened here yesterday? WHY The Lage was inaccessible? WHY all the stuff from October 3 is gone?You're right about spoiler font. 3.1 is aired, and stuff from that epi does not need to be spoiler fonted EXCEPT stuff from the preview. Preview material is still counted as spoilers.

as to what happened to the posts, look here (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1190850&postcount=2)

Kristina

10-05-2006, 09:54 AM

You're right about spoiler font. 3.1 is aired, and stuff from that epi does not need to be spoiler fonted EXCEPT stuff from the preview.

But isn't there a rule about spoilerfonting stuff about the eppi until it has aired on the west coast as well as the east coast?

Myha

10-05-2006, 09:59 AM

But isn't there a rule about spoilerfonting stuff about the eppi until it has aired on the west coast as well as the east coast?
It aired on the west coast a good 10 hours ago... but yeah that's true...

Starrox

10-05-2006, 10:07 AM

As soon as an episode has aired for the first time on the East Coast, it is fair game and you don't have to use spoiler font on the Threaded Board anymore. The Linear Board, on the other hand, is a different story, you have to use spoiler font there until noon EST on Saturday.

Kristina

10-05-2006, 10:13 AM

It aired on the west coast a good 10 hours ago... but yeah that's true...

Ok, but remember, I'm in Europe and I can never really get the time difference :)
And I guess some parts of the US is almost 10 h after Europe, so....... ;)

Starrox - thanks for the clarification!!!

mangopie

10-05-2006, 10:29 AM

First off, what an awesome episode!!! So much wonderful Skate to go around! He just looked so amazingly adorable and sexy. Now here's one of my thoughts, do you think they put Kate in the dress and in the cage across from Sawyer to make her seem vulernable to him? There is a lot of talk on the boards about some kind of "mating" ritual set up by the Others....
I felt so bad for Kate. She looked so extremely shell-shocked. It was so beautiful to see him trying to cheer her up!! :mushy:

lisagwilkins

10-05-2006, 11:45 AM

Is anybody else still shell shocked...I mean, I'm like barely functioning today...we've been waiting so long and to get something this great...I have to admit I've gone back and rewatched it all again already...

First off, what an awesome episode!!! So much wonderful Skate to go around! He just looked so amazingly adorable and sexy. Now here's one of my thoughts, do you think they put Kate in the dress and in the cage across from Sawyer to make her seem vulernable to him? There is a lot of talk on the boards about some kind of "mating" ritual set up by the Others....
I felt so bad for Kate. She looked so extremely shell-shocked. It was so beautiful to see him trying to cheer her up!! :mushy:

Etrainor darlin, I had to say this but you really ought to think about spoilering the middle part of your post...The easiest way is just to select the part you want and click on the spoiler button...

So now in answer to what you said. I don't think you have to worry about it being some kind of mating thing, I do however think it was some kind of mind game that Henry is playing. I think it's just another sick control issue he's got.

I must say that I am more convinced than ever, the look on Sawyer's face when she ate the fish biscuit showed all we needed to know...
Huggs,
Lisa

losttvfan

10-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Is anybody else still shell shocked...I mean, I'm like barely functioning today...we've been waiting so long and to get something this great...I have to admit I've gone back and rewatched it all again already.

I must say that I am

more convinced than ever, the look on Sawyer's face when she ate the fish biscuit showed all we needed to know...

Huggs,
Lisa

:biggrin: :mushy: The scene between Sawyer and Kate was everything we could have wanted it to be. It was sweet and so sad. Just watching his face -- his relief at seeing her, his concern for her, his desire to lessen her fear, to make her smile, and his own fears for her were written clearly in his changing expressions. As he watched her eating the food he gave her you could see everything he was feeling and it broke my heart. Evi and Josh put it all on the screen with very few words and it was breathtaking.

The entire episode was unbelievable, I can't wait for next week. Lost continues to be compelling to watch and IMO the best show on television....Bravo to TPTB for such a stunning season opener!

addicted2much

10-05-2006, 06:06 PM

I didn't watch the episode, but I saw the Kate and Sawyer scene on you tube and I'm sure that was the best part.

We need a fish biscuit smilie.:)

I saw the promo for the next episode and I will probably watch

for the smokin' hot SKate KISS.

lisagwilkins

10-05-2006, 06:57 PM

Hello, my dear outKaSts where are you?? A2M, so good to see you here hon...

Okay my darlin's, and STH this means you...for those of you who have been waiting for Chapter 5, it is up... www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk)

I hope you enjoy it

My goodness looks like everybody just took off today...I realize we're all breathing a collective sigh of relief that the premiere has come and gone and now we can relax and settle in to the season but, come on folks, let's get to talkin'...we have discussions to have.

:cheerleader: Okay, so let's get the discussion going. What did you think? How do you feel? What are you pleased about? What aren't you pleased about? And given what we've seen in the priview for next week, what do you think is the situation?

So here we go, I'll go first.

I was thoroughtly pleased with the show and I really loved the Skate moments. True, there were few but I think as the season goes on, and certainly as the first 6 go by we'll see lots of good SKATE moments. The more I keep watching the show over and over, the more convinced I am that everything is going our way.

Okay now another thing about what I'm not pleased about would have to be the obvious...I would have liked to have seen more of Sawyer and Kate but to be quiet brutally honest, that look on his face when Kate was eating the fish biscuit said it all. That said everything he needed to say and everything she needed hear. The only thing that's left now is what does SHE need to say and what does he need to hear. That will be interesting to see as it goes along.
Now as for what I can see happening in the future, I do see that smokin' hot kiss in the promo happening, but I'm a little concerned about it not being what it seems. I have seen where there is a theory that the kiss is to pass her a key but as our dear honeypoppy and girlspy15 pointed out, it's really hard to do that with your tongue down someone's throat so, the next question would be exactly what that kiss means.
So what do you all think?

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

car88win

10-05-2006, 07:14 PM

Hey, AtM, I'm glad you at least got to see the biscut scene, he was such a sweetie. He so would have kept it for himself way back when. Our guy is changing. Ever so slightly.

Save The Humans

10-05-2006, 09:40 PM

:hug: Thank you, Lisa, thank you! :hug:

Jack's a bit TOO brutal, but I guess that's the way he has to be written in a tale like this, huh? You gonna tell us anything about WHY he was interested in buying her? (Yeah, she's a looker, but there are a lot of lookers a dude like Jack could've paid for.)

Sayid AND Eko? YAY!! :clap: :happy_bounce:

Oh, and all my theories of why the kiss may not be all it appears to be are too depressing, so I won't go into them.

lisagwilkins

10-05-2006, 09:44 PM

Perdue

10-05-2006, 09:48 PM

Ghost963

10-05-2006, 11:13 PM

My speculation on the kiss is that it's an exchange. Like, Sawyer has a key in his mouth or something that he needs to give to Kate.
after seeing the promo after last nights eppy, I'm more convinced than ever that while Sawyer may have pulled her in, Kate is being kissed on her own free will
so I doubt that there's any sense of Sawyer's kissing her and then her pulling away. I dunno, I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Charmqn

10-05-2006, 11:14 PM

New promo pics of 3x02 are up and half of them are SKATE:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-75552

I think
the pics where it looks like skate are talking to each other in their cages id post-kiss, Kate looks dirty and her hair is up-when in the beginning it was down and sawyer has new cuts and bruises that weren;t there before

Moriane

10-05-2006, 11:30 PM

w00t! I'm back! I know it's been forever, and probably no one remembers me anyway ;) But I'm here to show my support for Skate and my excitement about the new season. Looking forward to next week...especially for certain reasons :p

lisagwilkins

10-06-2006, 12:32 AM

I like that idea Ghosty, and Lord knows the "cloak and dagger" part of me just loves that idea, but I don't know. but at least we only have a bout 5 days to wait to find out.

w00t! I'm back! I know it's been forever, and probably no one remembers me anyway ;) But I'm here to show my support for Skate and my excitement about the new season. Looking forward to next week...especially for certain reasons :p

I remember you Mori, it's been a long time though, but welcome back...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Myha

10-06-2006, 01:10 AM

Yes, I'd like to hear the theories why the kiss isn't what we think it is too. Depressing or not, I'd like to hear the speculation. Do I have to spoiler this since it was in the preview? If so, someone let me know and the next time I'm back here I'll take care of it.
Yes you do, but don't worry.. I took care of it.

people... this is not only for you Perdue...

SPOILERFONT EVERYTHING FROM PREVIEWS!!!!!!
ALWAYS!!!!!

*steps off soap box and puts megaphone away*

I will shout again though... if people "forget"... because seriously... this has been said a MILLION times.. and unless you joined last week, there can't be any way you can have missed this... and again.. this goes for ALL of you... < /rant>

ETA: FYI... Next time you "forget" to spoiler font... posts WILL be reported and points WILL be handed out.

fricksgurl75

10-06-2006, 01:20 AM

ok first of all it's nice to talk on a new epi without spoiler fonting LOL
my theory on the i't's not what it seems' thing in a minute...

I love this epi, i really did. Not just the Skate scene (which i'll get to) but i liked the whole creepy feel to it sometimes. And i liked Juliet, alot. She seems very interesting and i'm looking forward to her interactions with Jack more. Now on the Skate scene, i think i mentioned sometning about it last night, i was delirious so i didn't go in any depth there but to me it sums things up rather nicely.

They way he looked when he first saw her i can't describe it quite right. Maybe relief that she was relativly ok, or maybe just seeing her popped something loose in him. Whatever the reason it was done well. His little banter with Tom was funny but what i love was how he switched gears when he talked to her, asking her first and formost, 'you ok Freckles?' Not Kate, Freckles. Puts her at ease automatically. And then she asks if he is, and he cracks a joke, typical, but it makes her smile which was most likely what he intended.

And then complemnets her on the dress and when she tells him that 'they made me wear it' you could just tell by the look on his face that he worries what else they might have done.. but in typical Sawyer fashion, when dealing with her, dosen't press it. Instead offers her the food he worked hard to get. I love the way he looked at her when she was eating it too, like he didn't care if he didn't eat, only that she did. There was a time when he probably wouldn't have given up his own food, but he does now. And i think when she looked at him, she picked up on that. His feelings for her are becoming obvious to her now. And i do think it was damn obvious to anyone just how much that man loves that woman now, no denying it. Not that we ever did mind you :biggrin:

And not once but twice when she asks about the men, she used Sawyers name first, which is significant, considering Henry picks up on it the second time. It's unconcious but it's essetially putting one before the other. This is not a throwaway remark. It betrays alot. And also when she asks Tom the first time.. note that she says 'Where is Sawyer and Jack?' Nat 'are' the proper use of the plural but 'is' i doubt that was accidental either. Maybe i'm getting too deep here.. i think it's cause i'm tired.. but anyways.. onto to speculation..

as far at the kiss we see in the 'intial' promo before the season starts not 'being what it seems, it may be as simple as it's not 'indicative of the choice yet' which i believe is coming later.. while i believe with maybe 98% sureity that she's picking Sawyer i'm leaving the room for doubt. Maybe they are just saying it doesn't mean she's made a 'choice' yet cause at the time of those particular spoilers i don't think that they had begun filming the final 2 epis.. just a theory.. maybe a duck is just a duck and the simplest explanaion is the most obvious cause let me tell you from the looks of it.. if he's slipping her something, he's taking his damn time doing it that's for sure. :biggrin:

Anyways... i think i've wasted enough space :laughing:

Save The Humans

10-06-2006, 01:53 AM

I think
the kiss is because Pickett and Colleen have ordered them NOT to talk to each other, on pain of getting shocked. Kate is distressed, and James wants to reassure her--but he can't SAY anything. So he "says" it with a kiss--and she willingly "listens" to him! Pickett and Colleen, being an item themselves, probably are amused by James' "solution," and for the first time that day, James avoids a shock! :rolleyes:

And those pix of them in their cages that night (post kiss?) speak volumes, don't they?

Is it Wednesday yet?

Zoriah

10-06-2006, 03:21 AM

Wow STH I love that idea

It would be so sweet for Sawyer not to be able to comfort and rally Kate with words so he gives her a bracing kiss instead. Let's his lips and tongue do the talking another way. Hehe. And clearly Kate gives him a message of her own. *giggles*

Can I just say that the premiere was fantastic. Bestill my skater heart for that wonderful sweet reunion. I've been rewatching that part like mad. The looks they exchange just say it all. Heartbreaking because you know they are happy to see each other, but it's under the worst conditions and Kate's trying so hard to be brave and not let her distress show. So bittersweet! And I LOVE Sawyer's smile at the end like he's thinking 'that's my girl', so in love the poor guy. And her covering her mouth as she ate. :inlove:

Just wonderful.

People think Jack called out for Kate. I am not convinced at all of that. I've rewatched it, and with headphones on and I am 95% sure he's just yelling 'Hey' three times. Guess we'll have to wait till the scripts come out on that one, or closed captioning. *shrug*

The new promo pics look amazing!! So much skate promotion that I am a bit giddy actually. I love that Kate is stubborn, wanting to see Jack and they tazer SAWYER, love the stricken look on her face that Sawyer is being hurt because of her. And apparently in the GMA segment and Jack is seen being lead past Kate and Sawyer with a hood on, BOTH Kate and Sawyer call out Jack's name! I love that they are both concerned for him.

TRoss

10-06-2006, 04:13 AM

Can I just say that the premiere was fantastic. Bestill my skater heart for that wonderful sweet reunion. I've been rewatching that part like mad. The looks they exchange just say it all. Heartbreaking because you know they are happy to see each other, but it's under the worst conditions and Kate's trying so hard to be brave and not let her distress show. So bittersweet! And I LOVE Sawyer's smile at the end like he's thinking 'that's my girl', so in love the poor guy. And her covering her mouth as she ate. :inlove:

Just wonderful.

Me too! I think I wore out that part of my tape . . .

Save The Humans

10-06-2006, 05:03 AM

Dezdemona

10-06-2006, 08:15 AM

GMA showed Jack being led past James & Kate! FANTASTIC! I was wondering if they'd EVER see each other again. And if James is calling out Jack's name, too, even better! This JuSter is reassured! :grin:
Hope to see a promo showing this, too!
Actually, if you listen for it you can hear Sawyer call out Jack's name too. It's just that his voice is blending with Kate's.

I'm thrilled with the direction this all seems to be heading. The media has been all over the Skate love story, even THEY can see where it's going!

I love the way they set it up, too, with Ben picking up on the order of the men's names in her question when she asked about them. It's an unconscious thing, but he's a psychologist, so of course it has signficance to him. Now we need to see Kate become aware of her feelings on a conscious level, and I think that's exactly what we will see over the next few episodes.

Talk about an excellent week! Not only is Lost back, but it looks like Skate is the Big Romance for the first part of the season. Coincidence that half the promotional photos released for The Glass Ballerina are Skate when it's a Jin/Sun episode? No coincidence at all since there has been Skate mirrored in every Jin/Sun episode to date. I'm really looking forward to next week! :D

KatieFord

10-06-2006, 11:30 AM

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!! I was out all day yesterday and didn't have a chance to post, but my sentiments pretty much echo that of girlspy's, hee hee ... I looooved the new eppy and the Skate moment was so wonderful! You could tell that they did something to Kate that has her really shook up (I'm not saying that like noone knows it; just saying), but yet when Sawyer is all "Nice dress" she can't help smiling a little. It was so tender, that moment between them! I had to watch it again yesterday just so I could goggle over it and rewind and rewind w/o hubby being like, "Ummmmm..."!!!

Let me just say again.....

WOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!! :party:

:D:D:D

Omg, was that just not the sweetest thing ever? He gave her his fish biscut--swoons. And that look at the end. Sighs. Okay Im gonna be a total girly girl today. lol, Reveling in that moment. ;)

Oh man I love Skate!!! :heart:

So cant wait for next week. :eek:

No kidding! Is it Wednesday yet?

Is anybody else still shell shocked...I mean, I'm like barely functioning today...we've been waiting so long and to get something this great...I have to admit I've gone back and rewatched it all again already...

I must say that I am more convinced than ever, the look on Sawyer's face when she ate the fish biscuit showed all we needed to know...
Huggs,
Lisa

I think so, too, Lees!

Actually, if you listen for it you can hear Sawyer call out Jack's name too. It's just that his voice is blending with Kate's.

I'm thrilled with the direction this all seems to be heading. The media has been all over the Skate love story, even THEY can see where it's going!

I love the way they set it up, too, with Ben picking up on the order of the men's names in her question when she asked about them. It's an unconscious thing, but he's a psychologist, so of course it has signficance to him. Now we need to see Kate become aware of her feelings on a conscious level, and I think that's exactly what we will see over the next few episodes.

Talk about an excellent week! Not only is Lost back, but it looks like Skate is the Big Romance for the first part of the season. Coincidence that half the promotional photos released for The Glass Ballerina are Skate when it's a Jin/Sun episode? No coincidence at all since there has been Skate mirrored in every Jin/Sun episode to date. I'm really looking forward to next week! :D

It is SO an excellent week!!!! It was my bday on the 3rd:party: , Lost on the 4th:lost:, and my mum is coming tonite for Thanksgiving weekend:1turkey: :canada: !!! Squeeee! I posted on my Birthday, right before the Fuse shut down and I got all sad that noone said anything ... but everyone is so darling here, it must have been because noone ever got to read the post! ;) (at least i hope so! :rolleyes: )

girlspy15

10-06-2006, 12:38 PM

Aw, Happy belated Birthday KatieFord!!! :party: :kiss:
Hope you had a great one. ;)

etrainor, I actually find your theory very interesting and have been wondering that myself. If ot was to push Kate and Sawyer together for mating purposes, that would explain the dress and their close but not touching proximity to one another. In other words, why did they put Kate next to Sawyer and not Jack? Why is Jack on his own? I doubt that is just a coincidence.

Ive also been thinking about the marks on Kates hands and wondering whether or not they are real. Im leaning more towards real, but what if they werent and they want Sawyer to think something happened to her to test his reaction? Test his weaknesses?

There is just so much that could be going on here, I cant even begin to fathom whats really happening, but Im just thinking along the lines of the Kristin spoiler...

About the kiss not being what it seems. Im thinking they could be using Sawyers safety as blackmail for Kate which in turn forces her to hide something from him. That would put the kiss under false pretences, but would still allow for them to display there emotions openly to one another. I havent heard anything about a key, and dont think at this point Sawyer would have gotten one off the others. If he did kudos to him, lol. ;) But I do like the idea that since he cant talk to her, he kisses her. :D

I loved the premeire too. Could have used one or two more answers, but the Skate reunion stole my heart. It was so sweet, and you could see plainly on Sawyers face that he was concerned and worried about her, but he wanted Kate to feel as comfortable as possible and lightened things up for her. And after trying so hard to get food out, of that mechanism, one look at her and he gives it all away. Didnt even try to break it in half. I think thats a clear indication of where his heart lies.

I just love the sublety in Josh and Evis facial expressions and how they play off one another. Seriously, they are both phenominal actors, but the chemistry between the two is practically radiating off them. Im a big fan of the show, and think the ensemble cast is wonderful. All the characters are really compelling. But its that chemistry that Josh and Evi generate which keeps me coming back for more and more. They light up the screen together.

I think this season could be one of the best yet if they finally decide to listen to their hearts. :heart:

Hehe, okay, enough of the sap talk. Skate has turned me into a squeeing giddy fan girl. ;) But I dont care. :D

ravenmoon

10-06-2006, 12:50 PM

HEY OUTKASTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so glad I can FINALLY get on this forum, all yesterday it wouldn't let me!

Wow, what do I say about the first episode of the new season...

LOVED the first 5 minutes, if I hadn't already read the spoilers like a silly person I would have totally been like WTF!!!!

I officially LOVE Juliet, such an awsome character and I can't wait to see more of her! I also think with what we have seen so far she might just make a good match for jack!

The Jack flashbacks were a bit dull, but then I rarely enjoy jack flashbacks, and apart from showing us that jack blames himself for his father drinking again and therefore he thinks his death is pretty much his fault, I thought the rest was kinda like, we already know jack is a tad manic and obsessive. But it wasn't as bad as tghe last jack flashback I guess.

When Sawyer got the combination right and the music came on I laughed so hard when he started dancing and stuff! Bless him!

Then the skate moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What can I say, it was pure skatey loveliness. The look on his face really reminded me of the look on kate's face when she saw sawyer slumped over mr ekos shoulder in s2. A mixture of relief and fear. He was evidently so relieved and pleased to see her, and afraid because firstly shes in a dress and secondly she is crying.
I love the way he doesn't bombard her withy questions about where shes been, whats happened to her (as I think a certain doctor would) just says "you okay Freckles?"
And the way he just tries to make her smile, which works. I also love the way he says "nice dress" so sweet and teenagery if you know what I mean. And when she says "they made me wear it" you can tell all the horrible things that are going through his mind just as to how and why they made her wear it, but again he doesn't push the issue, he knows that she will talk about it if she wants. Then after struggling with that he asks her if she's hungry and then throws her the biscuit. The looks on their faces when she eats it and when he realises he is prioviding for her, and he obviously loves the way it makes him feel.
Then they cut to a shot of how far away the two cages are which I thought was interesting because it shows how far apart they are and they would both probablly like to be closer to one another!

as for the promo

I think that what was meant by the kiss not being what it seems is that some people will assume that means she has made her choice and that its sawyer. I don't think this is the case, I think that her choice wont come until at least sawyers episode if not kate's episode. I love the idea that they can't talk and she's upset so he comforts her in the only way he can.

Or maybe one of them is getting taken away and its a spur of the moment thing (although with the promo pics it seems that they are both in the same cages after it all).

I definetly don't think it means that she pushes him away or anything. She is really into it and slips him the tongue.

I do like the idea that hes passing her something though, doesn't have to mean that they both don't want to kiss each other, or that they don't both prolong it. OR that kate doesn't leave the kiss realising that sawyer loves her and that its him she wants. Just because they may have ulterior motives for the kiss doens't mean it wont work out the way we want it to!

I WISH it was wednesday now!!!!!!!!!!!!

halfrek

10-06-2006, 01:10 PM

let me make one thing perfectly CLEAR. the minis are working their collective arses off spoiler fonting ALL of the "mistakes" made by posters that "post too fast". they are tired of it. they come in, remind you, edit posts, remind again, and finally report the posts so that one of the UMODs can hand out points. there is NO excuse for "posting too fast". there is a really COOL feature called the PREVIEW FUNCTION. use it.

addicted2much

10-06-2006, 02:26 PM

My wild speculation.

It probably won't happen, but I would love to see Sawyer choose to stay with the Others and Kate say , 'she has a reason to stay '. It would tie back into the goodbye before the raft sailed.

fricksgurl75

10-06-2006, 02:56 PM

i'm gonna spoiler this just to be safe...

here's what i don't want to happen. I don't want Kate to pick Jack and spend the rest of the season duking it out with Juliet for his attention and love. That would be terribly demeaning to Kate as a character to have her do this AGAIN and i really don't think Evi would go for it iether. Having her story revolve around this yet again. Esp seeing as how Jack seems unable to give Kate his undivided attention for the time being. It would bug me if she turned away from a guy whose completly in love with her to pursue that angle, i think it would bug alot of poeple to be honest. Now i'm not saying life with Sawyer would all that easy, cause in no way will it be. Be very difficult in fact. But i want a decisive decision here, and if, well when she picks Sawyer :biggrin: if things get difficult she needs to stick by it and not turn her attenion back to Jack and be jealous of Juliet.

It makes no sense to dissolve one triangle and start another. It's time to just cut this nonsense and move everyone forward and forvgive me for thinking that Kate fighting it out with another woman for Jack's affections does nothing for her growth as a character. Seeing her in a relationship with a dificult man, IMO would be much better.

*end of rant*

I'm still squeeing over the 'biscuit' scene i think i've watched it a million times. One review said that Sawyer looked 'stupid happy' to see her and emphasis on 'stupid' LOL
Just among the annals of great Skate scenes IMO

as for the promoe

in Kristens spoiler she emphasized that it's not exactly what it seems, she didn't say it wasn't what it seemed. And that there's another kiss as well, and i think that means it could one of 2 they have... maybe that's just the hopefullness in me.. but that's what i read into it..

anyways, once again i've gone on longer than i planned to hehehehe

IceKat55

10-06-2006, 03:01 PM

as for the promoe

in Kristens spoiler she emphasized that it's not exactly what it seems, she didn't say it wasn't what it seemed. And that there's another kiss as well, and i think that means it could one of 2 they have... maybe that's just the hopefullness in me.. but that's what i read into it..

That's pretty much my take on the promo and Kristin's comment. That kiss that we see in the promo is NOT the moment that Kate makes her choice, and that is what's "not what it seems". Her actual choosing (of Sawyer!) will come in a later episode. We know that the kiss happens next week...and that's too soon for any declaration from Kate and/or Sawyer. So, they'll kiss, she'll ponder, then she'll choose Sawyer. :biggrin:

mangopie

10-06-2006, 03:14 PM

A kiss is
still a kiss, right? And I'm sure I'll love it under any circumstances. As for the "mating" experiment, I just don't know at this point what to think. Everything is sooo strange regarding Kate and Sawyer's situation. I can't really settle on a realistic theory for this at all.
And I completely agree with fricksgirl, If the whole Juliet/Jack/Kate thing happens. I will be livid. I think that would really be a lousy path for the storyline to go down. Plus, I love Juliet. Elizabeth Mitchell plays her so amazingly well and I think Jack and her make a good couple. He just looks better with blondes.:biggrin:

**MOD edited to spoiler font the WHOLE post**
100%
Sorry about that^^^. I was careful, but I will be super-careful from now on...:embaras:

lisagwilkins

10-06-2006, 04:57 PM

Good afternoon dear OutKaSts!

My goodness it sure is nice to see everyone back today. I was beginning to get worried. I see so many good thought and good ideas.

I also thought Juliet was wonderful. I thought she had really good screen presence and chemistry with Jack. I'm excited to see where that's going to go on there.

And yes, the look on our dear Sawyer's face said it all. I mean the way he was trying to make her feel comfortable, the way he gave her the fish biscuit he got. There is an old concept in psychology that says that when you give away the last bit of what you have to some one else, that's an expression of love...at least I think that's the way the thought goes.

Though I would like to know what the rest of that stuff was. I thought it might be more some kind of feed but I don't know. I couldn't really tell...

Oh man, I am so ready for the next show and we still 5 days...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

losttvfan

10-06-2006, 05:44 PM

Good afternoon dear OutKaSts!

And yes, the look on our dear Sawyer's face said it all. I mean the way he was trying to make her feel comfortable, the way he gave her the fish biscuit he got. There is an old concept in psychology that says that when you give away the last bit of what you have to some one else, that's an expression of love...at least I think that's the way the thought goes.

Oh man, I am so ready for the next show and we still 5 days...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

I loved the entire Kate and Sawyer scene....everything he feels for her was right there on his face but he kept his words light and comforting. The fact that he was more concerned about her hunger than his own has reminded me for days of the song "Love Can Build a Bridge" by the Judds. How perfect is this:

I’d gladly walk across the desert
With no shoes upon my feet
To share with you the last bite
Of bread I had to eat
I would swim out to save you
In your sea of broken dreams
When all your hopes are sinking
Let me show you what love means

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

Is it Wednesday yet?

Ghost963

10-06-2006, 05:50 PM

Hey everyone! Had some pretty bad seperation anxiety when I couldn't get on the board yesterday... it was bad!

Anyway, I first want to also express my love for the charactor of Juliet. I thought that the actress who played her did a great job and I'm incredibly excited to see where her and Jack's relationship goes to.

IN ORDER to keep Kate's attention where it should be! Did everyone watch the Behind The Scenes that they put up over on Lost-Media? Hehe, it's pretty funny. More SKate talk from Evie and Josh and no interview with Matthew Fox... hmm :smile: Inner meaning on that one? I think it's safe to say that love triangles really are all the rage right now huh?

And I'm sitting back to enjoy watching each one of them play out!

Darbi

10-06-2006, 05:58 PM

I remember watching some show a few years back where this older guy was giving a younger man who was trying to make up his mind about a woman he had been dating, and whether taking the next step in their relationship was the right decision. Well, long story short...the older guy adviced the young man that he could tell if the woman was worth the effort if she shared her cheesecake (her favorite dessert) with him, and left the last bite for him. Needless to say...that's what she did later on in the episode.

Whether Sawyer's actions were a psychological tell-tell sign, I don't know, but I believe it was significant as something the writers wanted us to take notice of.

After working so hard to get what was probably stale and rather tasteless, Sawyer willingly offers Kate all he had to give...and she accepts it without reservation although she had been offered a tasteful meal earlier. It was such a touching scene, and I don't think we've ever seen Sawyer's face so open, touching and loving towards Kate...ever.

It was nothing short of beautiful.

MidnightSawyerfan

10-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Hi all, was away for a couple of days & just back now - glad to see I haven't missed too much, if you can say it isn't too much to miss all the talk about Epi 1 :p Anyway, I haven't yet seen the epi, but I had to get a taste of what happened so I came straight to OutKaSts first & I have to say I'm liking it all so far....

The scene between Sawyer and Kate was everything we could have wanted it to be. It was sweet and so sad. Just watching his face -- his relief at seeing her, his concern for her, his desire to lessen her fear, to make her smile, and his own fears for her were written clearly in his changing expressions. As he watched her eating the food he gave her you could see everything he was feeling and it broke my heart. Evi and Josh put it all on the screen with very few words and it was breathtaking.

:shesaid: *Sigh* I can't wait to see that scene :biggrin::mushy:

They way he looked when he first saw her i can't describe it quite right. Maybe relief that she was relativly ok, or maybe just seeing her popped something loose in him. Whatever the reason it was done well. His little banter with Tom was funny but what i love was how he switched gears when he talked to her, asking her first and formost, 'you ok Freckles?' Not Kate, Freckles. Puts her at ease automatically. And then she asks if he is, and he cracks a joke, typical, but it makes her smile which was most likely what he intended.

And then complemnets her on the dress and when she tells him that 'they made me wear it' you could just tell by the look on his face that he worries what else they might have done.. but in typical Sawyer fashion, when dealing with her, dosen't press it. Instead offers her the food he worked hard to get. I love the way he looked at her when she was eating it too, like he didn't care if he didn't eat, only that she did. There was a time when he probably wouldn't have given up his own food, but he does now. And i think when she looked at him, she picked up on that. His feelings for her are becoming obvious to her now. And i do think it was damn obvious to anyone just how much that man loves that woman now, no denying it. Not that we ever did mind you :biggrin:

:shesaid: This sounds fantastic :biggrin:
I think
the kiss is because Pickett and Colleen have ordered them NOT to talk to each other, on pain of getting shocked. Kate is distressed, and James wants to reassure her--but he can't SAY anything. So he "says" it with a kiss--and she willingly "listens" to him! Pickett and Colleen, being an item themselves, probably are amused by James' "solution," and for the first time that day, James avoids a shock! :rolleyes:

And those pix of them in their cages that night (post kiss?) speak volumes, don't they?

Is it Wednesday yet?

:shesaid: I like this version of possible events STH :biggrin:

After working so hard to get what was probably stale and rather tasteless, Sawyer willingly offers Kate all he had to give...and she accepts it without reservation although she had been offered a tasteful meal earlier. It was such a touching scene, and I don't think we've ever seen Sawyer's face so open, touching and loving towards Kate...ever.

It was nothing short of beautiful.

:shesaid: OMG, I can't wait to see this - hopefully will get to tomorrow :biggrin: Great reading all the analyses since Epi 1, already can't wait for Epi 2 :winkkiss:

Save The Humans

10-06-2006, 11:40 PM

and my mum is coming tonite for Thanksgiving weekend:1turkey: :canada: !!!
Oh, yeah. Happy Canadian Thanksgiving, Katie! Eat lots of turkey for us! :biggrin:

Thanks for everyone's support of my
reason for the kiss!
It's great to get positive reinforcement! Or is that sounding too Other-y?

Skate 4-evah!!

fricksgurl75

10-07-2006, 01:47 AM

and ok first of all i want to share my agreement about Juliet, i think the casting was very well done on her, and i'm already fascinated by this character. She seems to have gone over well for the most part from what i've seen, much better than Ana that's for sure. I really would like to see where they take her, and maybe a possilbe relationship (down the line) with Jack, cause i saw good chemistry there.

That's pretty much my take on the promo and Kristin's comment. That kiss that we see in the promo is NOT the moment that Kate makes her choice, and that is what's "not what it seems". Her actual choosing (of Sawyer!) will come in a later episode. We know that the kiss happens next week...and that's too soon for any declaration from Kate and/or Sawyer. So, they'll kiss, she'll ponder, then she'll choose Sawyer. :biggrin:

I think i agree totally with that idea. I think it's exactly what they meant by that.

Whether Sawyer's actions were a psychological tell-tell sign, I don't know, but I believe it was significant as something the writers wanted us to take notice of.

After working so hard to get what was probably stale and rather tasteless, Sawyer willingly offers Kate all he had to give...and she accepts it without reservation although she had been offered a tasteful meal earlier. It was such a touching scene, and I don't think we've ever seen Sawyer's face so open, touching and loving towards Kate...ever.

It was nothing short of beautiful.

I think your right Darbi, i don' think anything in this show is put in there completly without purpose, such as the mentioning of Sawyers name first not once but twice. And the fact that he gave her is only food is siginficant. He could've broken in half but he gave her all that he had left. There's the selflessness element but also the element of him sort of 'providing' for her as well. The male getting the food and giving it to the female.

And I totally love Josh's acting in that scene, as well as Evi's too. Sawyer had so emotions going back and forth over his face. His love and concern for her were plainly visible for everyone to see, his relief that she was in fact ok, and his worry that they might have hurt her. And with Evi, you could see Kate trying to hide how upset and scared she really was from him, not wanting to worry him, to be strong in other words.
She didn't want to look at him directly for fear he'd see right through her. And he would.

Your right, it was beautiful with so little vocalized, they said it all with their faces.

:shesaid: OMG, I can't wait to see this - hopefully will get to tomorrow :biggrin: Great reading all the analyses since Epi 1, already can't wait for Epi 2 :winkkiss:

Midnight they actually the scene up on Youtube by itself as well...right here so we can watch it as many times as we want :biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqWQ-jP-ilY

i don't know about you guys but i can't get enough of it myself :biggrin:

Perdue

10-07-2006, 01:59 AM

Where is the cut off line for watching it too many times? 5? 50? 500? LOL.
I agree it was very touching and I think it was significant that he gave her the whole fishcuit and didn't just share it.
As for saying Sawyer first, well, she *could* have done it to mislead Benry as to where her feelings lie. Or she could have done it subconsciously. Or something else all together.
I can't quite tell what Kate was thinking, but it was clear Sawyer is smitten.

TRoss

10-07-2006, 02:54 AM

Midnight they actually the scene up on Youtube by itself as well...right here so we can watch it as many times as we want :biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqWQ-jP-ilY

i don't know about you guys but i can't get enough of it myself :biggrin:
Thanks fricksgurl!

ravenmoon

10-07-2006, 08:12 AM

Morning Outkasters!!!!!

Just watched that scene again and I just can't get enough. I think it's the sweetest skate scene ever!

I don't think anyone can now deny that sawyer doesn't have VERY strong feelings for her. So lets hope the view that sawyer is only after her for sex that some has is now out the window. We can't really tell kate's feelings as of yet, but what we can tell is that she was pleased to see him (i loved her little smile when he called her freckles) that she appreciated that he tried to make her laugh and that he didn't ask her any questions about what happened to her, and that she was touched that he gave her his buiscuit.

I am SO glad that sawyer did all these things. It MUST be pretty evident to kate that sawyer has feelings for her, and if its not, im sure that

after the kiss next week and im sure subsequent skate scenes after that it will be. Maybe this will make all the difference to her making a decision, because jack was always the safe option beause she could never be sure of what nature sawyers feelings were. But I think that that man has definetly got his priorities straight now, and that being in captovoty will make him realise that he's got to take a chance, maybe he will get hurt, but I think he knows he's got to try. (or maybe he just can't fight his feelings for her anymore)

I for one am intrigued as to what this offer fenry will make to jack next week that he will find so difficult to refuse?
I'm also more convinced than ever than we are going to see a much darker path for jacks character this season, and I dont see that happeneing if kate was going to declare her undying love for him.

And I also would like to think that the writers arn't stupid enough to set up another triangle between jack/kate/juliet. This would compleately demean her character and would anger both jaters and skaters which seems incredibly pointless to me! I woudl rather her choose jack and be happy any day than have to put up with a triangle like that!

.

car88win

10-07-2006, 08:44 AM

Ah, lovely. Was hoping we would have just that clip. Added it to the volumes of Dimples / SKate clips I've collected. I'll have to add the link in my siggy so everyone can check out the other vids. If you know of one to add that I don't have, let me know. Hugs to all!

:kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

MidnightSawyerfan

10-07-2006, 09:58 AM

And I totally love Josh's acting in that scene, as well as Evi's too. Sawyer had so emotions going back and forth over his face. His love and concern for her were plainly visible for everyone to see, his relief that she was in fact ok, and his worry that they might have hurt her. And with Evi, you could see Kate trying to hide how upset and scared she really was from him, not wanting to worry him, to be strong in other words.
She didn't want to look at him directly for fear he'd see right through her. And he would.

Your right, it was beautiful with so little vocalized, they said it all with their faces.

Midnight they actually the scene up on Youtube by itself as well...right here so we can watch it as many times as we want :biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqWQ-jP-ilY

i don't know about you guys but i can't get enough of it myself :biggrin:

Thanks Fricks, have already watched it a few times, great to have the link to it here! Perdue, I reckon we may as well stop counting the times we watch it too, we won't be able to keep track ;)
As for the scene itself, OMG - I thought it was 'heartwrenching' itself - it seems it was done in such a way that all the worst thoughts come to mind when we see Kate being brought back to that cage *shiver* - I really felt for her at that moment, Evie played the scene very well - and I really hope Kate is not playing any games enforced on her by the Others for Sawyer
As for Josh, so glad to see his excellent acting through his eyes again - he can say so much with them without having to say a word at all :biggrin::mushy:

IceKat55

10-07-2006, 11:21 AM

As for saying Sawyer first, well, she *could* have done it to mislead Benry as to where her feelings lie. Or she could have done it subconsciously. Or something else all together.
Nah, I don't buy that. She's in a terrifying, tense situation. These people are trying to disarm her with a nice dress and breakfast, but she knows what they're capable of, and she has no idea as to their intentions for her. Her brain, at that point, isn't thinking "Gotta protect Jack at all costs, screw Sawyer, I gotta make them think I want HIM, so I'll say his name FIRST to throw them off Jack's scent!" She's scared, she wants to know where her friends are...and Sawyer's the first one on her mind. Not only does she ask first for him with Ben, but she did it with 'Zeke' as well. It was totally subconscious. And then she knew what Ben was trying to do when he asked her "Why Sawyer?", so she gave him that bitter smile and told him "You don't know me". She locked him out, and wasn't going to let him dissect her feelings for either man.

But the seed is planted. I believe that Ben calling her on the order of names was just another small hint for the viewing audience. Millions of people don't go online, don't read spoilers...so that exchange between Kate and Ben, as well as the fish-biscuit scene (the way it was filmed, especially) and the kiss in the promo, is setting up the Skate ship. Casual viewers are now supposed to recognize the budding romance between Sawyer & Kate. :smile:

mangopie

10-07-2006, 11:31 AM

Car88win thanks for the video link, those are just awesome! :biggrin:

Zoriah

10-07-2006, 12:38 PM

car88win

10-07-2006, 12:49 PM

Car88win thanks for the video link, those are just awesome! :biggrin:

Just aiding in the promotion of Skaters love everywhere. :kiss:

lisagwilkins

10-07-2006, 12:53 PM

Nah, I don't buy that. She's in a terrifying, tense situation. These people are trying to disarm her with a nice dress and breakfast, but she knows what they're capable of, and she has no idea as to their intentions for her. Her brain, at that point, isn't thinking "Gotta protect Jack at all costs, screw Sawyer, I gotta make them think I want HIM, so I'll say his name FIRST to throw them off Jack's scent!" She's scared, she wants to know where her friends are...and Sawyer's the first one on her mind. Not only does she ask first for him with Ben, but she did it with 'Zeke' as well. It was totally subconscious. And then she knew what Ben was trying to do when he asked her "Why Sawyer?", so she gave him that bitter smile and told him "You don't know me". She locked him out, and wasn't going to let him dissect her feelings for either man.

But the seed is planted. I believe that Ben calling her on the order of names was just another small hint for the viewing audience. Millions of people don't go online, don't read spoilers...so that exchange between Kate and Ben, as well as the fish-biscuit scene (the way it was filmed, especially) and the kiss in the promo, is setting up the Skate ship. Casual viewers are now supposed to recognize the budding romance between Sawyer & Kate. :smile:

IceKat, your analysis and your words are truer than anything I've ever heard said. I bow to the master dear, you nailed it!! :hug:

Now, as for my thoughts, though yours are definately a hard act to follow, I have to say that in my opinion, there is absolutely no way to mistake Kate's feelings. Anyone who has taken Psychology 101 knows that when a person lists people in a situation like that, the one that is most cared about is the one that is mentioned first.

The only reason Kate responded with "You don't know me" is because Ben knows enough about psychology to know this concept. Kate immediately shut down and went on the defensive, because he called her on it. This is exactly what TPTB wanted to have happen simply because, as you said, they know the casual viewing audience is not reading spoilers and blogs and what have you.

:cheerleader: I am so excited about the direction the show is going in and I can't wait to see what comes up next. It believe totally that the show is laying the groundwork and to me it was never more obvious that it was in the look in Sawyer's eyes when Kate ate the fish biscuit. I have said before, that man loves that woman and of this I am certain.

For some time, my only question was how did Kate feel about him. I think even for a time, she didn't take him seriously. I think she thought all his comments and whatever were just jokes and showed no feeling, but now she knows differently and we really started to see her begin to change and move toward him more last season.

I believe this season is the culmination of what's been building for the last two seasons. So keep the faith people, we can see the light at the end of the tunnel now...I know I've been saying it all this time, and I absolutely believe it'll go our way. We just have to stay positive and believe in what we know to be true. That's what I'm stickin' with.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

losttvfan

10-07-2006, 02:55 PM

News about Sawyer’s episode:

Wednesday, October 25, 2006
9:00 PM - LOST - Episode: Every Man for Himself
Sawyer discovers how far his captors will go to thwart his and Kate's escape plans; Jack must scrub up to save an Other's life; Desmond's behavior perplexes the survivors when he starts constructing an unknown device.

BTW, I stopped by the Southern Pervert Mini Mart this morning and the owner's not wearing a shirt today....if that isn't enough to convince you to stop by, he also has a two for one special on those tasty new Fish Biscuits.

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

Zoriah

10-07-2006, 03:10 PM

Interesting! Don't you just find this cool?

That it's both Sawyer AND Kate's plan of escape? They are doing things together!!! Like Bonnie and Clyde (although with a better outcome I hope.) I am soooo loving this deliberate 'coupling' of our two outlaws by the PTB.

Just like when they BOTH scream out after Jack when he's led past them. It's not just Kate being concerned.

They are so on the same page and practically joined at the hip already in terms of their predicament.

And I am seeing Every Man for Himself as being a true turning point for Sawyer. When he will finally eschew that philosophy and put himself out on an emotional and literal limb for Kate. Possibly even for Jack. Who knows.

Darbi

10-07-2006, 08:01 PM

I think your right Darbi, i don' think anything in this show is put in there completly without purpose, such as the mentioning of Sawyers name first not once but twice. And the fact that he gave her is only food is siginficant. He could've broken in half but he gave her all that he had left. There's the selflessness element but also the element of him sort of 'providing' for her as well. The male getting the food and giving it to the female.

And I totally love Josh's acting in that scene, as well as Evi's too. Sawyer had so emotions going back and forth over his face. His love and concern for her were plainly visible for everyone to see, his relief that she was in fact ok, and his worry that they might have hurt her. And with Evi, you could see Kate trying to hide how upset and scared she really was from him, not wanting to worry him, to be strong in other words.
She didn't want to look at him directly for fear he'd see right through her. And he would.

Your right, it was beautiful with so little vocalized, they said it all with their faces.

:biggrin:

Right before the premiere I asked my sis-n-law who doesn't ship or go on-line behind the show who she thought Kate should choose. She chuckled for a second, and I thought she was going to ask me who I thought I she should choose but she goes, "Well, she may as well pick Sawyer. They're both hood." :biglaugh:

Eh...anyways...yeah, that scene was wonderful. Although we've been watching Josh stretch out in his portrayal of Sawyer for two seasons now...I'm still absolutely amazed on how well he's able to convey so many emotions across his face at once when Sawyer's struggling with feelings that are pretty foreign to him. However, there was no mistaking the look on his face as Kate ate the fish biscuit. That man is in love with that woman. And I would assume that he was able to make her smile, and provide nourishment even if it wasn't very tasty that she accepted what he had to offer and showing her gratitude with her almost shy expression.

jennylee27

10-07-2006, 08:01 PM

Hi everyone! I took a break from shipping during the off-season, but I am back to share in the great Skate scene. He was just so tender to her - I thought it was amazing. No big words of wisdom from me, just happiness at a good episode with our favorite people having a wonderful scene. :smile:

Moriane

10-07-2006, 09:12 PM

Perdue

10-07-2006, 10:49 PM

However, there was no mistaking the look on his face as Kate ate the fish biscuit. That man is in love with that woman
Yep, the last time he shared his food, it was with Vincent, and not all that willingly.

fricksgurl75

10-08-2006, 12:08 AM

BTW, I stopped by the Southern Pervert Mini Mart this morning and the owner's not wearing a shirt today....if that isn't enough to convince you to stop by, he also has a two for one special on those tasty new Fish Biscuits.

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

:biglaugh::rotflmao:
i was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up again...
i really should stop there then, i hear it's got quite the view :naughty:
Fish biscuits... yummy :biggrin:

Interesting! Don't you just find this cool?

That it's both Sawyer AND Kate's plan of escape? They are doing things together!!! Like Bonnie and Clyde (although with a better outcome I hope.) I am soooo loving this deliberate 'coupling' of our two outlaws by the PTB.

Just like when they BOTH scream out after Jack when he's led past them. It's not just Kate being concerned.

They are so on the same page and practically joined at the hip already in terms of their predicament.

And I am seeing Every Man for Himself as being a true turning point for Sawyer. When he will finally eschew that philosophy and put himself out on an emotional and literal limb for Kate. Possibly even for Jack. Who knows.

that should be VERY interesting..

i too love the idea of the fact that they are working together to escape, and that they are both concerned for Jack. I also am interested to see the flashback cause it's about when Sawyer was in jail.. at least that's what it says.. I wonder about what put him in there, if it had anything to do with the Tampa Job and why he's so po'd about that. He said there's 'nothing that could make up for that' makes me wonder...

and i do think it's a very pivotal epi for him and his development. To see if he can put himself out for other people, not just for Kate cause we know he'd do that anyways but for others as well.

Right before the premiere I asked my sis-n-law who doesn't ship or go on-line behind the show who she thought Kate should choose. She chuckled for a second, and I thought she was going to ask me who I thought I she should choose but she goes, "Well, she may as well pick Sawyer. They're both hood." :biglaugh:

Eh...anyways...yeah, that scene was wonderful. Although we've been watching Josh stretch out in his portrayal of Sawyer for two seasons now...I'm still absolutely amazed on how well he's able to convey so many emotions across his face at once when Sawyer's struggling with feelings that are pretty foreign to him. However, there was no mistaking the look on his face as Kate ate the fish biscuit. That man is in love with that woman. And I would assume that he was able to make her smile, and provide nourishment even if it wasn't very tasty that she accepted what he had to offer and showing her gratitude with her almost shy expression.

i like your sitster in law.. she funny.. and smaat too :biggrin:

and ITA on Josh, he's highly underrated for the work he does with Sawyer, he brings out the human aspect of a character that if anyone else had played would've been a cardboard cutout character, a bad seed with little depth. He's made Sawyer infinatly likable in spite of the things he's done. Sawyer is a deeply complex character, a person who is finding out that he is still capable of love in spite of the way he has lived his life. He's met his match in Kate, and that scene is evidence of them finding acceptance and comfort in eachother, even in trying times.

Did anyone notice btw that the cages were probably about 15 feet apart at least, and were both roomy yet the 2 of them were right up next to the bars? Either one of them could've sat down and talked to eachother but they didn't. They stood right out in front almost as if they were trying to get as close as they could possibly get to eachother. The camera went from closeup shots of them to a wide angle and showed how far apart they were physically from eachother.. but the scene showed them bonding emotionally.

That man is very much in love with that woman and i do hope for his sake, she loves him back just as much.

Save The Humans

10-08-2006, 12:58 AM

I'm so :happy_bounce: that you fellow Skaters have found that Eppy 4 spoiler! Isn't it GREAT?!

Of course, it scares me to think of the lengths (or depths?) The Others will go to to keep them from escaping. That's real :eek:!! Especially seeing what They've done (and are about to do in Eppy 2) to poor James already!! I hope Jack can negotiate something for them in exchange for his doing the surgery on that Other!

Yes, as horrible as things are looking for James and Kate on the captivity level, it sure is looking good on the COUPLE level, isn't it? :biggrin:

ravenmoon

10-08-2006, 07:29 AM

losttvfan

10-08-2006, 10:05 AM

Oh Wow

I'm so excited about the episode description for sawyer episode! Him and Kate are still together, and presumably separated from Jack still, which is a very good sign. And maybe something happens to sawyer or kate that forces them into admitting their feelings? I have a feeling her choice might come in this episode, or maybe it would make more sense to come in her episode. Who knows! I just hope they don't hurt them too much!

And the info on jack just strengthens my belief that jack is going to stay with the others. He's now performing surgery for them.

Just had a random thought actually about kate's choiuce being "heart wrenching" what if jack agrees to stay with the others if kate and sawyer are let go or something. There could be some heartwrenching scene between kate and jack where she tells him that she loves sawyer etc, maybe they are allowed to see each other quickly. maybe its heart wrenching because jack gives them his blessing so to speak or wishes them luck or something and kate doesn't want him to stay behind but he does.

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

Ravenmoon: Well said......
I too have been thinking that the "heart wrenching" moment may involve Jack,

but I think it could just be just between Jack and Kate. The key to this scene is that Jack finally tells Kate that Sawyer told him that he loves her. The only person who heard that "I love her" is Jack, even Sawyer doesn't remember saying it (although Jack reminded him of it once). The writers of Lost seldom put anything on the screen without a reason, Sawyer's confession to Jack has been kept a secret, but it could come out now.

In the context of what Jack learned about himself last episode and his final question "Is she happy?" there is a significant recognition of how he has interacted with Sarah and does with Kate, choosing them because they needed to "be fixed", not because he wanted them or loved them. Perhaps this understanding will allow him to step away from Kate and encourage her to pursue a relationship with a man Jack can see she is drawn to and who he knows loves her. Now that would be a "heart wrenching" moment.

:devil2: BTW, I posted Chapter 16 "Reunion" yesterday.

lisagwilkins

10-08-2006, 01:21 PM

Did anyone notice btw that the cages were probably about 15 feet apart at least, and were both roomy yet the 2 of them were right up next to the bars? Either one of them could've sat down and talked to eachother but they didn't. They stood right out in front almost as if they were trying to get as close as they could possibly get to eachother. The camera went from closeup shots of them to a wide angle and showed how far apart they were physically from eachother.. but the scene showed them bonding emotionally.

That man is very much in love with that woman and I do hope for his sake, she loves him back just as much.

Ooooh Fricks, that's an excellent observation. I saw that of course, but I didn't realize that about how close they were trying to get to each other. You so smart!! :ntworthy:

but I think it could just be just between Jack and Kate. The key to this scene is that Jack finally tells Kate that Sawyer told him that he loves her. The only person who heard that "I love her" is Jack, even Sawyer doesn't remember saying it (although Jack reminded him of it once). The writers of Lost seldom put anything on the screen without a reason, Sawyer's confession to Jack has been kept a secret, but it could come out now.

In the context of what Jack learned about himself last episode and his final question "Is she happy?" there is a significant recognition of how he has interacted with Sarah and does with Kate, choosing them because they needed to "be fixed", not because he wanted them or loved them. Perhaps this understanding will allow him to step away from Kate and encourage her to pursue a relationship with a man Jack can see she is drawn to and who he knows loves her. Now that would be a "heart wrenching" moment.

Losttv, you're on to somethin' here darlin'. I agree with you totally on this one too, I am intersted to see what happens when Jack finally does put that "tasty tidbit" on the table. I think
it'll be what helps Kate realize her feelings for Sawyer. I think she's never really taken any of Sawyer's comments seriously. I think she's always thought Sawyer's just been messing with her and being cute or funny or whatever, but she never really thought he loved her. So now that Jack's come to the this realization then I expect that Kate will finally be able to put her own feelings out without worrying about whether or not Sawyer felt the same .

I think it's very interesting that at the end of the episode Jack would ask Juliet if Sarah was happy. That was very telling for him as he appeared to be coming to the realization of how he had handled his life with Sarah.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

:devil2: BTW, I posted Chapter 16 "Reunion" yesterday.

Y'all gotta go read Losttv's Chapter 16, it's outstanding!!

losttvfan

10-08-2006, 09:02 PM

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

The owner of the Southern Pervert Mini Mart is on the cover of the November issue of Men’s Journal:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?&pos=-75647

http://www.mensjournal.com/toc/index.html

and looking really good!

lisagwilkins

10-08-2006, 10:32 PM

car88win

10-08-2006, 10:35 PM

lisagwilkins

10-08-2006, 10:45 PM

girlspy15

10-08-2006, 10:46 PM

car88win

10-08-2006, 10:55 PM

What would you like to see the most in Wednesday's episode?

Ah, no kiss eh? Let's see then. I would like to see most is Sun being more in charge. I know she's pregnant but it's not a disease. I would like to see Locke safe and sound, I miss him very much. I hope that Desmond, gets some clothes (have you seen the promo?) LOL

Zoriah

10-08-2006, 11:12 PM

I do not want anyone to think that I'm posting this to single out anyone, I can not see any reason to even bring this up. But, in light of the rising hostilities, I continue to ask that you as a member of the Fuse and a shipper, remember that we continue to always post with others in mind (not just James) and that everyone get along. I know we do our best to follow the golden rule, not just the lage rules, so I say this only out of respect of the mods and their difficult job of dealing with reported posts etc. and that I'd hope that we can help each other keep this a wonderful and fun place to be. Just keep that in mind. I love you all. That is the only reason I post this.

Couldn't have said it better, sweetheart. :group: Let's keep things mature, positive and respectful of all posters on this wonderful board.

What would you like to see the most in Wednesday's episode?

I would like to see Sawyer and Kate really watching each other's backs and concerned for each other. I would love to see Sawyer being belligerent or kicking butt to protect Kate or distract from Sayid scouting them. I would like to see Sawyer and Kate bond more, period. I don't care how, it can be over who is more 'dirty' or something. ;) I can't wait to see driven/darkly revengeful Sayid. And Sun perhaps stand up to him? I have a feeling we won't get so much Jack/Juliet this time but I definitely would like to see more of that too.

car88win

10-08-2006, 11:17 PM

Couldn't have said it better, sweetheart. :group: Let's keep things mature, positive and respectful of all posters on this wonderful board.

What would you like to see the most in Wednesday's episode?

I would like to see Sawyer and Kate really watching each other's backs and concerned for each other. I would love to see Sawyer being belligerent or kicking butt to protect Kate or distract from Sayid scouting them. I would like to see Sawyer and Kate bond more, period. I don't care how, it can be over who is more 'dirty' or something. ;) I can't wait to see driven/darkly revengeful Sayid. And Sun perhaps stand up to him? I have a feeling we won't get so much Jack/Juliet this time but I definitely would like to see more of that too.

I like your want to see list too. And thanks for supporting me here. I from day one of the OutKaSt creation have always wanted this ship to be sailing on smooth waters and sipping mojitos, kicked back and enjoying what TPTB have to give us. That is why we are here. That and the people we now call friends.

I wanted to say good night to those that can't sleep, I wish you all a great season, and may all your Wednesdays be phone call free, neighbor quiet, and no crying screaming kids under foot, and dinner done by 6 at the latest so that you may enjoy Lost and all it has to offer. That and James. :kiss:

lisagwilkins

10-09-2006, 12:14 AM

I like your want to see list too. And thanks for supporting me here. I from day one of the OutKaSt creation have always wanted this ship to be sailing on smooth waters and sipping mojitos, kicked back and enjoying what TPTB have to give us. That is why we are here. That and the people we now call friends.

I wanted to say good night to those that can't sleep, I wish you all a great season, and may all your Wednesdays be phone call free, neighbor quiet, and no crying screaming kids under foot, and dinner done by 6 at the latest so that you may enjoy Lost and all it has to offer. That and James. :kiss:

Don't you worry, Car88, you have my unwavering support darlin'!!

And I have my own way of dealing with interruptions. I simply print out a sign on my front door that says,

It is Wednesday night, if you knock on my door,
ring my bell or bother me in anyway shape or form,
I will pull a Sawyer on your a:censored:

That seems to work...hehehe

oh yea, one more thing, the idea of Desmond without much clothes on gives me the heebee jeebees in general...don't think I even want to go there.

fricksgurl75

10-09-2006, 12:36 AM

Alright OutKaSters!!! Role Call!!!

Where is everyone tonight...it's Sunday night, or Monday morning depending on where you are...so I know you're not out partyin'...

Girlspy15?
Dezdemona?
Midnight?
Darbi?
Zoriah?
STH?
Ravenmoon?
Car88?
Friks?
IceKat?
KatieFord?

Where are you all? Have I been so positive that we've gotten complacent and gotten too comfortable? Come on folks!!! :kiss:

See this is what happens when you spend way too long at cheerleader camp...

Alright, now you're all in trouble and you're getting an essay question for homework. It must be typed and doublespaced and you must use more than 12 words, and yes, spelling and a grammar count...(yes, I taught English at one time...hehehe)

What would you like to see the most in Wednesday's episode? And no the kisscannot be one of them. That's too easy!! And besides, we all want that.

Oh yea, and don't forget you get bonus points if Jack cries. :hypocrit:

See what happens when I'm here alone twiddlin' my thumbs.

Huggs,
Lisa

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey i had an excuse i was working a 12 hour shift, i should be excused for the essay question on those grounds.... but i'll be a good student and answer it anyways :biggrin:
oh and speaking of spelling, you spelled my name wrong teacher :lol: but i'll let that slide...

so the answer to the essay question...

i would LOVE to see Sawyer kick some booty myself, i'm getting tired of him getting the crap kicked out of him. I would love to see some more Jack/Juliet interaction cause i absolutly love that. I love Juliet in fact. I want to Kate and Sawyer talk more and work together as only they can :biggrin: . I want to see Sun kicking some butt of her own in spite of the fact she's pregnant but only as long as she and the baby don't get hurt.. and i agree, find Desmond some clothes please, Sawyer is the ONLY one allowed to walk around sans attire. It's a special honor for our favorite Southern Pervert and a treat for us as well:naughty:

I do not want anyone to think that I'm posting this to single out anyone, I can not see any reason to even bring this up. But, in light of the rising hostilities, I continue to ask that you as a member of the Fuse and a shipper, remember that we continue to always post with others in mind (not just James) and that everyone get along. I know we do our best to follow the golden rule, not just the lage rules, so I say this only out of respect of the mods and their difficult job of dealing with reported posts etc. and that I'd hope that we can help each other keep this a wonderful and fun place to be. Just keep that in mind. I love you all. That is the only reason I post this.

absoulutly agree Car i've always tried to behave that way myself and if everyone follows that we should have no problems shall we?

And I have my own way of dealing with interruptions. I simply print out a sign on my front door that says,

It is Wednesday night, if you knock on my door,
ring my bell or bother me in anyway shape or form,
I will pull a Sawyer on your a:censored:

That seems to work...hehehe

.
i like that, i may implement that same policy... people know better than to interrupt me while i'm watching my show..

just gotta rembember to stop by the Southern Pervert Mini-Mart and get my supplies hehehehe :biggrin: among other things..:naughty:

SawyerKicksButt

10-09-2006, 12:46 AM

lisagwilkins

10-09-2006, 01:16 AM

My dear OutKaSts,

I was sent something through DIMPLES and I think you all should know about it. There is video that can be seen at www.justyellfire.com (http://www.justyellfire.com). Josh starts and ends the show with Evi speaking in the middle. It's and instructional video that teaches teenage girls to to be safer and not a target to predators, or as Josh says, "learn to fight like a girl."

I watched it tonight and if you haven't seen it, you need to. And please, make sure the young ladies in your lives watch it to. It's very important.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

P.S. I have to tell you this, we all know that Josh and Evi are wonderful people, and to me, this just proves how kind the two of them really are. This was something very special for them to do and it just might save lives.

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

Perdue

10-09-2006, 01:20 AM

on the subject of INTERUPTIONS i ALWAYS gt interupted, my parents seem 2 annoy me MORE on wednesday night. The note on the front door doesnt seem to work as they take it off. i try to take the phone off the hook but then they call on my mums cell and i even try knockin my self in the tv room but god that STILL doesn't work

They sense it, like sharks sense blood in the water, and are immediately attracted. Cousins I haven't heard from in 5 years choose 9 pm Wednesday to call. Friends who would never drop by just happen to be in the neighborhood at 9 pm on Wednesday and spot the tiny slit of light under the drapes. The dog suddenly decides that he is incontinent at 9 pm on Wednesday. My boss, who NEVER calls me at home, has a sudden immediate urge to discuss a project at 9 pm on Wednesday.

lisagwilkins

10-09-2006, 03:04 AM

Good morning OutKaSters,

For those of you who are keeping up with Battlefied, chapter 6 is now posted at www.kateandsawyer.co.uk (http://www.kateandsawyer.co.uk). I hope you enjoy it.

Now back to our question. Here is what I would like to see from Wednesdays episode. I would basically like to see as much as you all would. Particularly Sun taking a big part in what's going on, this I think is critical. I also think it's important for Jin's deveopment for him to be the type of husnband that doesn't hinder her for trying to protect her.

And I want to see this new guy Pickett get his tushie just tore up for abusing our Sawyer. God forbid one of those hateful people do something to Kate, Sawyer really would lose it, which would be more dangerous for him that it would be for them. We know how he is about what happens when people hurt him, but let someone hurt the person he loves and all bets are off...scary thought huh?

Okay that's it for me, my bed is calling and I have to be up because of the dang cable people...

Good night everyone!!!

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Save The Humans

10-09-2006, 04:03 AM

Sayid and Susan, huh? Kewl! :love:

but I think it could just be just between Jack and Kate. The key to this scene is that Jack finally tells Kate that Sawyer told him that he loves her. The only person who heard that "I love her" is Jack, even Sawyer doesn't remember saying it (although Jack reminded him of it once). The writers of Lost seldom put anything on the screen without a reason, Sawyer's confession to Jack has been kept a secret, but it could come out now.

In the context of what Jack learned about himself last episode and his final question "Is she happy?" there is a significant recognition of how he has interacted with Sarah and does with Kate, choosing them because they needed to "be fixed", not because he wanted them or loved them. Perhaps this understanding will allow him to step away from Kate and encourage her to pursue a relationship with a man Jack can see she is drawn to and who he knows loves her. Now that would be a "heart wrenching" moment.

I :heart: this scenario!! And it would go a long way toward Jack & James being able to be friends, too! (You knew I was gonna get that in there, right? :D)

car88win

10-09-2006, 04:05 AM

Of course, now I can't sleep. :undecide:

That seems to work...hehehe

oh yea, one more thing, the idea of
Desmond without much clothes on
gives me the heebee jeebees in general...don't think I even want to go there.

Ah, yeah, not too kind of a picture eh?

One thing, I've always loved about this ship, I know everyone will step up to the plate. I have never doubted a one. We sometimes may get a bit rowdy, heck blame the one we love. But deep down, your all a great bunch of people, and anyone just cruisin or lurking, I'd want them to be impressed with the lot, I know I am. Group hug in order!!

:pile:

ravenmoon

10-09-2006, 11:45 AM

Hey everyone!

How is everyone on this fine day?

As for what I would like to see happen between kate and sawyer next episode

Well for a start I would like to see sawyer showing more of this sweet and unsure side of himself to kate, I think that she recognised what he was trying to do for her in the last episode, and I would like the writers to show us that she recognises this. I would also like to see sawyer defending kate, or showing her even further that he will always try anf protect her, showing her his feelings for her further. I would also like the kiss to be a comforting gesture, or a moment of pure passion. I'm sure we will find out a reason behind why it happens, but I hope it shows the genral no-shipping viewers that there is passion and love between them. Evi and Josh have so much chemistry I'm sure the genral viewers will be in no doubt afterwards :)

As for the rest of the episode, I want this offer fenry is going to make to jack that he's goi9ng to find difficult to refuse will indicate further that jack may be staying with the others. I Can't wait to see sayid (who I love) and I would also like to see sun kicking some butt, lol, but not getting hurt!

Am I the ohnly one that doesn't find the thought of Desond naked repellant? I think desmond is quite hot actually, especially with the long hair, but then I just love a man with long hair so I'm biased lol!

IceKat55

10-09-2006, 12:10 PM

:heart: this scenario!! And it would go a long way toward Jack & James being able to be friends, too! (You knew I was gonna get that in there, right? :D)
I really like it, too! This scenario would be great in allowing more growth in Jack's character. We saw a bit of it in the premiere, when he learned to "let go" of Sarah, and finally realized the only thing that mattered was whether or not she was happy. That was an incredibly selfless moment for Jack. And when he realizes that Kate is in love with Sawyer, it will be that much easier for him to accept that Sawyer makes her happy, and he'll be able to let her go.

And hopefully he will then turn to Juliet! :biggrin:
:)

Ghost963

10-09-2006, 01:28 PM

Good morning Outkasts! I'm sitting here debating if I should call into work today, I got a wicked cold that totally knocked me on my :censored:. But, I had to take time to answer that awesome question posted about what I want to see this week.
I want to see more Juliet and Jack! I think Juliet is intriguing and I really like her charactor so far. Plus, if she keeps distracting Jack, then he won't have time to interrupt Kate and Sawyer's fishy progress... :w00t:
I also want to see Sun shoot someone.
Ah yes, two more days. Very exciting! I hope everyone's having a bit of a better day than I am... :smile:

lisagwilkins

10-09-2006, 01:38 PM

I :heart: this scenario!! And it would go a long way toward Jack & James being able to be friends, too! (You knew I was gonna get that in there, right? :D)

I'd actually like to see Sawyer and Jack get closer. It don't know if they'll ever become friends, probably not, but I would like to see them learn to have a mutual trust for each other. I like both characters, I just didn't care for Jack, last season.

I really like it, too! This scenario would be great in allowing more growth in Jack's character. We saw a bit of it in the premiere, when he learned to "let go" of Sarah, and finally realized the only thing that mattered was whether or not she was happy. That was an incredibly selfless moment for Jack. And when he realizes that Kate is in love with Sawyer, it will be that much easier for him to accept that Sawyer makes her happy, and he'll be able to let her go.

And hopefully he will then turn to Juliet! :biggrin:
:)

I thought so too IceKat, I thought it was an incredible breakthrough on Jack's part, I fully expected him to ask who the man was, but he didn't, he asked if she was happy...that was very telling and just another nail used to build up what we know is coming...

IceKat55

10-09-2006, 02:21 PM

Just saw this on LF, it's casting info/guest stars for Sawyer's flashback - -

http://www.abcmedianet.com/DNR/2006/pdf/dnr100906.pdf
Its on page 16 of the pdf file.

Guest Stars:

Nikki
Paulo
Mr. Friendly
Pickett
Ian Gomez as Munson
Bill Duke as Warden Harris
Ariston Green as Jason
Dustin Geiger as Matthew
Kim Dickens as Cassidy
Dorian Burns as Prison Guard
Peter Ruocco as Agent Freedman

So Cassidy is back! I wonder if Sawyer lands in prison because of her...and maybe she comes to visit him, give him a hellacious guilt-trip...

fricksgurl75

10-09-2006, 02:23 PM

I really like it, too! This scenario would be great in allowing more growth in Jack's character. We saw a bit of it in the premiere, when he learned to "let go" of Sarah, and finally realized the only thing that mattered was whether or not she was happy. That was an incredibly selfless moment for Jack. And when he realizes that Kate is in love with Sawyer, it will be that much easier for him to accept that Sawyer makes her happy, and he'll be able to let her go.

And hopefully he will then turn to Juliet! :biggrin:
:)

I so agree with all of this, i was highly impressed with Jack being able to finally let go of Sarah and that in the end he just wanted her to be happy. That's a big step for him.. and i'm off the belief that..

if in fact Kate chooses Sawyer, what do i mean if? When heehehe it may be mirrored there too, that maybe he'll be able to let go of her too, if he feels she's happy with her choice, that she truly does love Sawyer he'll want her to be happy. It has always been about letting go for Jack. I do believe it come into play there as well. And he does know who the guy is this time, and he knows he loves her, even if Sawyer acts like a jerk most of the time. Jack does know that Kate is the one thing that means anything to Sawyer at all.

And i so wonder what that offer Henry(still have a hard time calling him Ben heheeh) makes to Jack that he finds difficult to refuse? hmmmm

Both Jack and Juliet, and Sawyer and Kate in that epi proved that you didn't need to be able to touch to make a connection. For the former, a glass wall separates them, sort of mirroring the wall Jack always has around him. And for the latter, pyhsical distance mirroring Sawyer's attempt to keep emotional distance. But in the end neither worked did they? Eventually you get through the wall, or bridge the distance. It's all about the emotional bonds being made here.

God I love this show :biggrin:
is it wednesday yet?

Zoriah

10-09-2006, 02:44 PM

Another spoiler scoop re: Ep 4

Sawyer gets tortured!!! Poor baby. Let's hope Kate isn't forced to watch, I would be such a mess if that happens. Maybe this is why her declaration of feelings happens? They did say it would be heartwrenching.

Both Jack and Juliet, and Sawyer and Kate in that epi proved that you didn't need to be able to touch to make a connection. For the former, a glass wall separates them, sort of mirroring the wall Jack always has around him. And for the latter, pyhsical distance mirroring Sawyer's attempt to keep emotional distance. But in the end neither worked did they? Eventually you get through the wall, or bridge the distance. It's all about the emotional bonds being made here.

Beautifully said. I love the parallels and the symbolism.

Luanne

10-09-2006, 03:06 PM

Another spoiler scoop re: Ep 4

Sawyer gets tortured!!! Poor baby. Let's hope Kate isn't forced to watch, I would be such a mess if that happens. Maybe this is why her declaration of feelings happens? They did say it would be heartwrenching.

That is what I was thinking

Sawyer getting totured and maybe Kate doesn't see it, but maybe hears it and begs for his life and out comes her confession. I think this scenerio would count as heartwrenching

fricksgurl75

10-09-2006, 03:14 PM

wow.. although i must say...

i'm getting a bit sick of Sawyer getting hurt all the damn time, but i think that yes.. that could definatly qualify as heart-wrenching.. and if that what it takes to get her to admit how she feels, then forward ho...And since i guess her confession is supposed to come in that epi too... hmmm wonder what triggers that?;)

and i've been told that Cassidy is listed as a guest star.... very interesting..

and of course i'll be away that week :frown:

Save The Humans

10-09-2006, 03:32 PM

TORTURED?! :crybaby: Well, the Eppy 4 spoilers DID say James would learn what lengths The Others would go to to keep him and Kate from escaping. I do hope all this "James as Others' punching bag" plotline is for more reasons than thinking They could beat James into submission!

I really do hope
there's a happier ending for all three of them than they've indicated so far. This story arc is already setting itself up to be darker than any other since the show began!

Yeah, reading
that Eppy 4 cast listing--seeing Cassidy's name there--I was :shock:!! Is she just there to identify James? Or are these James-is-a-daddy rumors accurate? One thing I know: Cassidy was the LAST person I expected to show up (again) in a James FB!

He really was beside himself with worry about what They might have done to her, wasn't he? Everything but a neon light proclaiming "I LOVE HER"!

Charmqn

10-09-2006, 06:50 PM

mangopie

10-09-2006, 07:22 PM

I don't know if you guys saw this one or not. But it's a new promo/clip. http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

MidnightSawyerfan

10-09-2006, 08:02 PM

Alright OutKaSters!!! Role Call!!!

Where is everyone tonight...it's Sunday night, or Monday morning depending on where you are...so I know you're not out partyin'...

Girlspy15?
Dezdemona?
Midnight?
Darbi?
Zoriah?
STH?
Ravenmoon?
Car88?
Friks?
IceKat?
KatieFord?

Where are you all? Have I been so positive that we've gotten complacent and gotten too comfortable? Come on folks!!! :kiss:

See this is what happens when you spend way too long at cheerleader camp...

Alright, now you're all in trouble and you're getting an essay question for homework. It must be typed and doublespaced and you must use more than 12 words, and yes, spelling and a grammar count...(yes, I taught English at one time...hehehe)

What would you like to see the most in Wednesday's episode? And no the kisscannot be one of them. That's too easy!! And besides, we all want that.

Aww, sorry you felt all lonely here last night Lisa - was probably curled up & fast asleep when you posted - here's my homework (though have already read everyone else's, so nothing new here, spelling & grammar may be the best point so that might just bring my marks up teacher!) -
I like everyone else's thoughts already on what would be good for Wednesday's episode, spoiler-fonting just in case - I would like to see more bonding with Sawyer & Kate, more events to reveal the true feelings of one for the other as well as the kiss of course. Also would like to see more of Sayid, Sun, Locke & the rest of the group to see exactly what they're getting up to! More Jack & Juliet scenes would be interesting too, want to see any developments there if any at all ;)

One thing, I've always loved about this ship, I know everyone will step up to the plate. I have never doubted a one. We sometimes may get a bit rowdy, heck blame the one we love. But deep down, your all a great bunch of people, and anyone just cruisin or lurking, I'd want them to be impressed with the lot, I know I am. Group hug in order!!

Well said Car - I love all here too, besides all the interesting posts, there is a good sense of camaraderie no matter what :group:

Am I the ohnly one that doesn't find the thought of Desond naked repellant? I think desmond is quite hot actually, especially with the long hair, but then I just love a man with long hair so I'm biased lol![

I have to say I agree with you here too Ravenmoon - don't find the thought of a naked Desmond disagreeable at all,:winkkiss: but he'll still never quite match another of our favourite's here either will he?! :5:

New Kristen spoilers, very skatey!!!:inlove:

Kristen reported that Jaters will not be happy throughout the six episodes. There's going to be some crazy skate stuff in episode 3 and 4. Plus, in episode 4- everything is very much skate YAY!!

Bring it on

Oooo, can't wait - especially as I'll be Stateside to view these epis - I might just have to contain myself though in the presence of friends & family, trying not to scream out loud is gonna be tough if any good SKatey moments happen :biggrin::mushy:

I don't know if you guys saw this one or not. But it's a new promo/clip. http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

Wow, that's a long one, thanks for showing this Etrainor - I love the mischievous grin on Sawyer's face when he looks at Kate when she's told she can always remove the dress and I love the horrified look on Kate's face when Sawyer is 'shocked' when she asks about Jack

losttvfan

10-09-2006, 08:02 PM

Evening OutKaSters:

I want to say something about the perception I am seeing being put out there on some threads and boards that the average viewer needs to be brought up-to-date on the relationship between Sawyer and Kate which is, for the most part, IMO is nonsense. It underestimates the intelligence of the audience and the wonderful way the writers have slowly developed these two characters, showing us over two seasons how powerfully drawn they are to each other. Let’s review what even the non-shipping Lost audience has seen on the screen:

The kiss – rated the “hottest kiss” on television that year by the viewing audience (not just the Skate shippers)

Kate’s interest in Sawyer’s letter (remember she not only read it, but figured out that he had written it)

The “I Never” game, does anyone believe that either of them had ever reveled that much to anyone else?

The Waterfall, where they threw aside their inhibition (and a few of their clothes) and for a few minutes; just enjoyed each other as they played like children.

From almost that point on the relationship between them was full of teasing, flirting and obvious sexual chemistry.

The pill scene and Kate’s emotional response to his injuries, one that she couldn’t and didn’t hide from Jack.

Sawyer’s delirious question to Jack “Where is she?” and his declaration “I love her”. Really think the audience (and Jack) didn’t know who he was talking about?

The honeymoon period after that, including the walk outside the Hatch, the haircut and the banana scene, as they grew even closer.

Sawyer’s concern for her when she was caught by the Others, while Jack bargained for time and the guns, his focus was on Kate ("If you touch a hair on her head") and she ended up in his arms.

How upset Kate was with Sawyer after the con for the guns, she was hurt by his actions and took it very personally.

Sawyer’s concern and obvious jealousy when she went off with Jack and spent the night in the jungle.

The hug scene, even when he thought she and Jack had been “caught in the net” he was the one who offered her comfort and with little hesitation she was, again, in his arms.

When they set out to confront the Others, along the way when Kate spotted the two men following them, who did she turn to? Bingo, the man she knew would trust her judgment, ask no questions, and back her move.

You don’t have to be a Skater to see that they “get” one another, he makes her laugh and she keeps him honest. The chemistry between them cannot be denied and it has been there from day one.

Is the average viewer surprised to see this relationship move forward? I don’t THINK so!

Is it Wednesday yet?

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

MidnightSawyerfan

10-09-2006, 08:13 PM

You don’t have to be a Skater to see that they “get” one another, he makes her laugh and she keeps him honest. The chemistry between them cannot be denied and it has been there from day one.

Is the average viewer surprised to see this relationship move forward? I don’t THINK so!

Is it Wednesday yet?

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

I love your list of SKate moments Losttv - and your comment on the 'average viewer' reminded me of what a friend just said recently about this - she's a casual viewer & thought that Jack and Kate were the intended couple from the start but commented that Sawyer & Kate seemed to suit each other more - they reminded her even back in Season 1 of one of all her all-time favourite 'pairs' on TV, that of Doug & Carol on ER & their great chemistry too.

Fingers crossed then that SKate is gonna happen sometime in the next 5 epis :biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

Zoriah

10-09-2006, 08:16 PM

You don’t have to be a Skater to see that they “get” one another, he makes her laugh and she keeps him honest. The chemistry between them cannot be denied and it has been there from day one.

Is the average viewer surprised to see this relationship move forward? I don’t THINK so!

So very very well said. I love that you posted all those moments that show their evolution towards coupledom.

Amen sister! You are so right. This is not a left field thing. If and when Kate finally admits her feelings for Sawyer are real, it will be a culmination of everything the writers have been carefully building for over two seasons.

car88win

10-09-2006, 08:26 PM

Hello my loves! Evolution, now there's a word not thrown around like confetti.

lisagwilkins

10-09-2006, 08:27 PM

So very very well said. I love that you posted all those moments that show their evolution towards coupledom.

Amen sister! You are so right. This is not a left field thing. If and when Kate finally admits her feelings for Sawyer are real, it will be a culmination of everything the writers have been carefully building for over two seasons.

:shesaid: You got that right darlin'...

SKATE for ever!!!!

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

fricksgurl75

10-10-2006, 12:01 AM

New Kristen spoilers, very skatey!!!:inlove:

Kristen reported that Jaters will not be happy throughout the six episodes. There's going to be some crazy skate stuff in episode 3 and 4. Plus, in episode 4- everything is very much skate YAY!!

Bring it on

:biggrin: That made my day... thank you so much for bring that here...

sounds pretty good, and the confession is supposed to be in that epi too so that's good news i tell ya. But ugh i don't want to see Sawyer keep on getting hurt.. it's gonna be painful to watch. But if it leads to something good, then i suppose it's worth it huh? :biggrin:

I don't know if you guys saw this one or not. But it's a new promo/clip. http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost

omg i love this.. esp..

that look Sawyer gives her right after that jerk says she can work without the the dress and turns back to the guy and says, protectiviely 'how dare you?" can't wait for this epi..

Losttvfan i can't believe there's poeple suggesting that the audience needs to be 'brought up to speed' on the Skate relationship, have they had their head under a rock for the past 2 seasons? All those moments you mentioned were just most obvious ones around. They have spent 2 seasons building up this relationship too and i think most are capable of seeing it. Some just don't want to i guess. :rolleyes:

Starrox

10-10-2006, 12:25 AM

I'm beginning to feel like a broken record...

All comments about spoilers
and reactions to spoilers
MUST
be spoiler fonted!

And if you still don't know what a spoiler is, then go and read the FAQ and that announcement at the top of this section NOW! (And shame on you for not reading them earlier!)

TRoss

10-10-2006, 03:11 AM

Ghost963

10-10-2006, 04:44 AM

Another spoiler scoop re: Ep 4

Sawyer gets tortured!!! Poor baby. Let's hope Kate isn't forced to watch, I would be such a mess if that happens. Maybe this is why her declaration of feelings happens? They did say it would be heartwrenching.
I'm pretty sick of him getting hurt all the time too, but you gotta admit, I doubt the Others have anything on a trained Iraqi... he'll be fine! :wink1: I love the idea that Kate hears it and that leads to the confession. I may shed a tear or two if that happens. And then celebrate of course...
New Kristen spoilers, very skatey!!!:inlove:

Kristen reported that Jaters will not be happy throughout the six episodes. There's going to be some crazy skate stuff in episode 3 and 4. Plus, in episode 4- everything is very much skate YAY!!

Bring it on
Thank you for that Charmqn! Always good to get more Kristen spoilers.
that gave me a serious happy feeling in my tummy! While I'm happy that Kate and Sawyer might being to develop a 'different' relationship, ironically my heart is still with Jack and I hope that he's moving in a different direction as well.
I don't know if you guys saw this one or not. But it's a new promo/clip. http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost
Oh boy... thank you very much for posting that one!!!
That rocks. Not in a cool way, but have I mentioned how much I love the two of them and their chemistry? That look that Sawyer gives her after the dress and then like a little boy he realizes that his joke isn't funny and then backtracks like a madman with the "how dare you?!" line. CLASSIC!! :clapping: Way to go Sawyer. Leave it to him to try an keep things lighthearted. Good job!

::checks watch:: Wow, you would think after waiting months for the premire, a measly week wouldn't be that hard, but my Lordy! :wallbash:

Zoriah

10-10-2006, 05:26 AM

This latest promo clip:

What I love about it is that they are already acting like a couple. I just get this vibe of her being the missus giving him the evil eye for not defending her honour. I love him just being such a guy, and not immediately realising how unfunny his response is, but then trying to rectify it. The writers were obviously trying to make it go from lighthearted to actually downright tense and disturbing, and they achieved that. Pickett is certainly a piece of work.

Sawyer will always be a insensitive jerk at times, and I am not sorry that he maintained that in the scene, but at least realised where he erred and reacted accordingly. He's not a knight in shining armor who will bristle at every slur thrown Kate's way, after all he thinks she can take care of herself most of the time, and to expect that of him is to not understand the beauty of that kind of 'politically incorrect' character. He is a scoundrel, a rogue and NOT a chivalric champion. Are we supposed to admire him for not valiantly jumping to Kate's defense at the mere thought of her having to take off the dress? No. I think we are meant to chuckle at him for so obviously missing the mark and trying to make up for it after Kate gives him the stare of 'no nookie for like forever'. If Kate WERE in serious trouble and being victimised or hurt, I have am very certain he would step up to the plate in her defense. In fact at this point, I am pretty sure he would lay down his life for her without thinking twice.

So far the spoilers are looking good, but part of me hopes that Kate does get to spend some time with Jack. I want her to realise who she wants completely, and not to choose by default. Jack has some positive qualities, but I am still pretty sure that she will be forced to face her very real and conflicted feelings about Sawyer in episode 4 and beyond. :biggrin:

losttvfan

10-10-2006, 06:14 AM

This latest promo clip:

So far the spoilers are looking good, but part of me hopes that Kate does get to spend some time with Jack. I want her to realise who she wants completely, and not to choose by default. Jack has some positive qualities, but I am still pretty sure that she will be forced to face her very real and conflicted feelings about Sawyer in episode 4 and beyond. :biggrin:

Zoriah: Exactly, only a clear choice will resove the triangle and I do believe TPTB are as anxious as we are to finally put this monster to bed and get on with the many other storylines they have to tell.

I am looking forward to a new, stronger Sun, our Losties becoming a "commando force" to rescue their friends, Sayid assuming a leadership role and having S1 Locke back and more of Jack and Juliet (finally a Jack relationship I can get on board with). The chemistry there was very apparant. The writers did a great job on their scenes and I am not at all surprised to see a Jack/Juliet ship or the new fiction and videos being done that are dedicated to this interesting new pairing.

Is it Wednesday yet?

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

car88win

10-10-2006, 07:53 AM

The Partyman

10-10-2006, 08:23 AM

Yikes, I did not know the reactions had to be spoilerfonted as well, but I can see your point. I have read the rules several times, but I guess this is in the FAQ's? I shall read them too as well. I know a lot of people have been gone this summer, myself included, so we may not be up-to-date. Thanks for the heads-up, Starrox. Well it's really because such reactions are spoilery in themself. :) The vast majority of responses and reactions to spoilers pretty much give away what the actual spoiler is about. This is particularly so in 'shipper and character threads, where the majority of posters favour particular characters or pairings.

A good example is maybe when people in the "we hate Ana-Lucia" type threads would openly respond to spoilers about her imminent death with comments such as "HOORAY! I CAN'T WAIT! AT LAST!!!" and stuff. Such comments made it blatantly obvious what the spoiler was.

Similarly, replying unfonted to a Hidden Spoiler in a Skate-type thread, whether expresing Joy or Sadness, can give huge clues as to what a spoiler might be.

IceKat55

10-10-2006, 12:02 PM

Well it's really because such reactions are spoilery in themself. :) The vast majority of responses and reactions to spoilers pretty much give away what the actual spoiler is about. This is particularly so in 'shipper and character threads, where the majority of posters favour particular characters or pairings.

A good example is maybe when people in the "we hate Ana-Lucia" type threads would openly respond to spoilers about her imminent death with comments such as "HOORAY! I CAN'T WAIT! AT LAST!!!" and stuff. Such comments made it blatantly obvious what the spoiler was.

Similarly, replying unfonted to a Hidden Spoiler in a Skate-type thread, whether expresing Joy or Sadness, can give huge clues as to what a spoiler might be.
Which is exactly why, I believe, separate Shipper-Specific Spoiler threads in the spoiler section (as Maj suggested on the Jater couch) would be most welcome. Ban spoilers in here, 100%. Then folks who want to remain totally unspoiled don't feel like they have to avoid these ship threads and their friends; and folks who (like me!) are spoiler whores can chat and speculate to their hearts' delight. Everyone wins. :smile:

girlspy15

10-10-2006, 12:03 PM

Losttv, that Skate moments list you posted was wonderful. Seriously, I was more shocked at the end of last season for having almost no resulution...

than I am at the potential for Skate hookup this season. It definately hasnt come out of left field. And I hope they continue to build on it. I think its obvious that both Sawyer and Kate have grown individually and together. So Kate picking Sawyer doesnt seem that far fetched. Total great potential here for something epic.:love:

Thank you Charmqn for bringing those Kristin spoilers over here....

And I love that clip about the dress. LOL, kinda makes me think Kates just not wearing it for her own purposes ;).

What I love about it is that they are already acting like a couple. I just get this vibe of her being the missus giving him the evil eye for not defending her honour. I love him just being such a guy, and not immediately realising how unfunny his response is, but then trying to rectify it. The writers were obviously trying to make it go from lighthearted to actually downright tense and disturbing, and they achieved that. Pickett is certainly a piece of work.

Sawyer will always be a insensitive jerk at times, and I am not sorry that he maintained that in the scene, but at least realised where he erred and reacted accordingly. He's not a knight in shining armor who will bristle at every slur thrown Kate's way, after all he thinks she can take care of herself most of the time, and to expect that of him is to not understand the beauty of that kind of 'politically incorrect' character. He is a scoundrel, a rogue and NOT a chivalric champion. Are we supposed to admire him for not valiantly jumping to Kate's defense at the mere thought of her having to take off the dress? No. I think we are meant to chuckle at him for so obviously missing the mark and trying to make up for it after Kate gives him the stare of 'no nookie for like forever'. If Kate WERE in serious trouble and being victimised or hurt, I have am very certain he would step up to the plate in her defense. In fact at this point, I am pretty sure he would lay down his life for her without thinking twice.

So far the spoilers are looking good, but part of me hopes that Kate does get to spend some time with Jack. I want her to realise who she wants completely, and not to choose by default. Jack has some positive qualities, but I am still pretty sure that she will be forced to face her very real and conflicted feelings about Sawyer in episode 4 and beyond.

Wow Zoriah, again you sure said a mouthful, lol...

And again, I agree. ;) Its not about Sawyer having to mold himself into this valiant defend her honor hero role for Kate, nor should she have to try to be anything shes not with Sawyer. And I love his reaction as I said before to the dress thing too :). Im sure his first reaction to Picketts naked comment was his natural one :D and then seeing Kates reaction, he immediately jumped on the defense train. I think the struggle with her is there and she challenges him, which is one of the reasons I love Skate. Its not about the hero saving the heroine, nor does it have to be. Its about the raw struggle of jumping over day to day hurdles together. Much more interesting if you ask me. ;)

Also, I concur with wanting Kate to see Jack again as well. If they do this, if they do Skate, I want them to do it for real, and that means Kate has to address her Jack/hero issues. Cause we dont want her running off to Jack when something bad happens, needy and desperate for his approval. I would like to see some resolution here. Not Sawyer winning by default. So I also hope we have a Jate confrontation. And heck, throw in a Skate one too. Might as well get it all out on the table. ;)

that gave me a serious happy feeling in my tummy! While I'm happy that Kate and Sawyer might being to develop a 'different' relationship, ironically my heart is still with Jack and I hope that he's moving in a different direction as well.
Ghost,

ITA with you here. I love all this great Skate, and seriously dont want to see Jack come out the loser in all of this. I think he can find happiness too, on his own path. IMO, he needs a strong woman, who can fend for herself and doesnt need his fixing, cause only then can he ever truly know that he is loved and can love back fully, with no strings attached. I think Juliette offers that potential. I still dont fully trust her yet, gotta see her featured in a few more epis, but I definately find her intriguing.

Anyway, Just trying to breathe here while waiting for that next epi. Getting close now. :D

halfrek

10-10-2006, 12:19 PM

not to rain on your parade (this will be posted in the Jaters thread as well) we are considering limiting your spoiler discussion in this thread. as with any group it is NOT fair to the other members who choose to be spoiler free to have to scroll through/around these spoilers, esp when so many members keep forgetting to use the spoiler font. please try to move your discussion to actual aired eppys, future spec that is not based on spoilers, and general SKATE anaylsis. thank you.

and NO we will not be having a seperate discussion thread in the spoiler section. learn to use the font and limit your discussions on the spoilers so that EVERYONE can participate.

ravenmoon

10-10-2006, 12:21 PM

Afternoon Outkasters!

NOOOO poor Sawyer, getting tortured AGAIN! That's going to be difficult to watch! Lets all hope that this is the push kate needs to finally admit her feelings!

That new clip is so cool! I also love the way they seem to interact as a couple in that episode! That is such a sawyer look he flashes her when Picket (what a nasty piece of work he is) suggests she takes the dress off. And although she appeared outraged, she does like that aspect of his personality! I thought it was so cute the way he mentally kicked himself for his comment afterwards and then tried to recover by saying "how dare you" it just reminds me why I LOVE his character so much!

I also thought it was interesting the way when she mentioned jack they shocked sawyer in retaliation. Bet she wont do that again! It does make me wonder is what context this kiss is in though. The theory that he kisses her to comfort her is out the widow because he said "if you touch each other" you'll get shocked. Maybe he does it for the hell of it, or comforts her anyway then he gets shocked but says something like "it was worth it freckles" that would be so hot and so like him!

I'm thinking from the promo pictures that we have some retrospective skate talk at the end of the eppy (as they look all dirty and it seems to be getting dark) s hopefully they might talk about the kiss!

I'm SOOOOO excited!

I still stand by my belief that if the writers are giving us all these skate scenes just to have her choose jack they are mean and cruel. But the paranoid side of me thinks there is every chance they could be giving us all these skate scenes as a parting gift so to speak. A final few episodes of skatey stuff plus a kiss so we have something to hold on to when she chooses jack.

I hope this isn't the case, and I know that personally them doing this would make it so much worse for me. It just seems to be looking SO good for our little ship atm. I desperately hope this is so when she chooses sawyer the jaters have kind of thought it was coming anyway so as to not be as upset.

IceKat55

10-10-2006, 12:25 PM

as with any group it is NOT fair to the other members who choose to be spoiler free to have to scroll through/around these spoilers, esp when so many members keep forgetting to use the spoiler font.

Which is precisely why Skate- and Jate-only spoiler threads are needed, and would be welcome by several members of these threads. I don't understand...why is the modding team so against this idea? It would alleviate several problems at once. As far as starting ship-wars...well, they seem fairly mild on this particular site (compared to ABC and, at times, LF), but don't you/we already have to deal with those? So really, what is a spoiler-only thread going to add/change? The same rules would certainly apply to the Skate-and Jate-only spoiler threads...to each their own ship, just a discussion for the spoiler-folks.

and NO we will not be having a seperate discussion thread in the spoiler section. learn to use the font and limit your discussions on the spoilers so that EVERYONE can participate.
"Learning to limit our discussions" is a rather blatant form of censorship, don't we all think? The spoiler enthusiasts and theorists have free run in their threads/section...why should the shippers be censored in our discussions??

:confused:

I really do think the mod staff needs to consider all angles and come up with a helpful solution that benefits everyone. Shipper-spoiler threads would accomplish that.

halfrek

10-10-2006, 01:05 PM

Which is precisely why Skate- and Jate-only spoiler threads are needed, and would be welcome by several members of these threads. I don't understand...why is the modding team so against this idea? It would alleviate several problems at once. As far as starting ship-wars...well, they seem fairly mild on this particular site (compared to ABC and, at times, LF), but don't you/we already have to deal with those? So really, what is a spoiler-only thread going to add/change? The same rules would certainly apply to the Skate-and Jate-only spoiler threads...to each their own ship, just a discussion for the spoiler-folks.

"Learning to limit our discussions" is a rather blatant form of censorship, don't we all think? The spoiler enthusiasts and theorists have free run in their threads/section...why should the shippers be censored in our discussions??

:confused:

I really do think the mod staff needs to consider all angles and come up with a helpful solution that benefits everyone. Shipper-spoiler threads would accomplish that.

okay so you WANT us to make a new spoiler thread for each group. mkay...and then you want us to close down the existing thread? b/c our policy is to only have ONE thread per group. as for censorship, this is a private site. there is censorship already b/c we limit talk about the VIPs private lives, language and other subjects. said censorship is not up for "democratic" discussion and neither is the spoiler issue.

the mods have discussed this ad naseum and have not come up with an action that will benefit all parties involved or one that will make our jobs easier. just making a "new" thread for spoiler discussion will not eliminate the need for the minis to monitor existing threads b/c new posters and old alike will probably continue to post spoilers unfonted. just making a new section wont help that at all.

it is a simple thing to just move the discussion away from the spoilers...seriously what did you all do this summer BEFORE the spoilers were leaked? um yeah discuss SKATE. dont really think that the spoilers are necessary to analyse SKATE.

IceKat55

10-10-2006, 01:24 PM

okay so you WANT us to make a new spoiler thread for each group. mkay...and then you want us to close down the existing thread? b/c our policy is to only have ONE thread per group. as for censorship, this is a private site. there is censorship already b/c we limit talk about the VIPs private lives, language and other subjects. said censorship is not up for "democratic" discussion and neither is the spoiler issue.
I never implied shutting down anything. I merely suggested a separate ship-specific spoiler thread in the Spoiler section.

Look, Lost is huge. It's number of viewers is constantly growing, which means all aspects of the Fuselage "policies" should consider having to grow with them. We've got hundreds of shippers in these threads, some want to talk spoilers, some don't. Why should non-spoiler folks feel like they have to avoid this thread to remain unspoiled? And why should the spoiler folks be silenced or limited in their potential discussions? That's not necessary, and it's not fair to any of us...so we just need our own thread! Of course we all want to make sure that folks who want to remain unspoiled have that option. They can avoid the spoiler thread, and chat in Skater peace in here. This thread would become a spoiler-free haven for them...no annoying/tempting "spoiler buttons" for them to have to avoid.

it is a simple thing to just move the discussion away from the spoilers...seriously what did you all do this summer BEFORE the spoilers were leaked? um yeah discuss SKATE. dont really think that the spoilers are necessary to analyse SKATE.
Before the spoilers were leaked, we discussed what we had. Now, we have Skate spoilers, included with current info. Why wouldn't some of us want to use them to analyze and theorize about Skate?

This is not a problem on the other boards I frequent. Every ship has it's own section, or at the very least, it's own spoiler-centric thread. I just don't understand why the Fuselage seems to be so adamantly against that concept. Growth and adaptation is part of these sorts of things...and Lost is certainly growing.

Ah well...Halfrek, I certainly don't envy you your job, that's for sure, and I'm sure the mod team will sort it out as they see fit. I'm just of the opinion that digging in your heels on this issue with your current "policy" intact isn't going to solve anything for anyone. Newbies will come along, and talk spoilers in these threads. Human nature, unfortunately, will prevail every time, and you guys will have to continue micro-managing, handing out your points and warnings, tensions and headaches and tiredness will remain high. Perhaps separate spoiler threads will make the mods lives a bit easier. We certainly won't know unless we try.

Just throwing my buck-o-five into the ring, as far as what seems to make the most sense to me. :smile:

girlspy15

10-10-2006, 03:02 PM

I dont usually comment about this stuff cause I think it speaks for itself. Spoiler font spoilers, etc. Makes sense. And I understand the mods have alot of frivolous cleaning up to do when people arent careful. But Im sortof feeling like were caught between a rock and a hard place here. Cause on one hand, weve been told to be careful about spoilers, so I know for me personally, I have been trying to be good about that and spoiler font even things that are questionably theory. On the other hand, now were being told that we should limit our spoiler discussion cause there has been too much spoiler fonting? Maybe Im the only one, but it just seems like we cant catch a break no matter what we do. Again, I have no idea what the mods and mini-mods have to do or how much they have to clean up after us, and Im assuming its alot, based on the level of frustration expressed. But I think there has to be some give on both ends. I enjoy my time spent discussing skate here and the theories and plot speculations and spoilers. Everything skate. Not just 2/3rds skate, or 3/4s. Anyway, thats just my humble opinion. Not trying to make waves, just trying to understand.

mangopie

10-10-2006, 03:13 PM

KatieFord

10-10-2006, 03:51 PM

Can everyone see that I have an infraction next to my name? I never see it on anyone else's...??? Just wondering if you all could....

As for the promo...

Why do you ladies think they are being forced to work? I can't possibly think that's why they wanted them....to perform farming tasks?!? Another possibe mind game on the Others' part? And I agree, that dude Picket is creepy.

Also, I'd just like to say, that being new here, this is a lovely, intelligent ship to be a part of. Everyone here is very bright and sweet. I hope everything gets worked out. :thumbup:

Nope, can't see it ... I have an infraction, too :redface:(for which i was not punished, yay) I had an avi of something that aired in a promo but not in an actual eppy - i guess LF's rules about that stuff is somewhat different, 'cos that pic is in so many peoples sigs and avis....and anyway. I'm sure noone judges us for it ;)

Ghost963

10-10-2006, 04:07 PM

Can everyone see that I have an infraction next to my name? I never see it on anyone else's...??? Just wondering if you all could....
etrainor - what do you mean by 'an infraction?' your name looks the same as everyone else's to me... :smile:

As for the promo...

Why do you ladies think they are being forced to work? I can't possibly think that's why they wanted them....to perform farming tasks?!? Another possibe mind game on the Others' part? And I agree, that dude Picket is creepy.

I think PIcket is cool! Creepy, yes, but still cool! I think that the farming activites are just a way for the Others to break them down physically which leads to breaking them down mentally. It also instills a large sense of dominance to be forced to do manual labor of any sort. For example, when Picket says that they can't talk to each other, that's just another example of him showing total control in that situation by limiting something as basic as comunication.
This is the reason that I feel Sawyer is going to have a 'hard time' in 3.3. People like him are incredibly difficult to break down. Take Jack for example. Take some food from him and then talk friendly, he'll sit down and shut up to get a sandwich. Sawyer would have passed out from hunger with his middle finger stuck in the air. Which is why we love him! :smile:

Also, I'd just like to say, that being new here, this is a lovely, intelligent ship to be a part of. Everyone here is very bright and sweet. I hope everything gets worked out. :thumbup:
:shesaid: I think that discussing spoilers is here is just a regular part of the timeline. For about 4 days after the episode airs, we talk about the episode and what SKatery things that happened in it and for the next couple of days, we talk about potential SKatery spoilers. That's just what I've seen happen. I have also noticed that many of the posts consist mostly of spoiler font right now, but can you blame us?! :smile:
The spoilers have been juicy!

lisagwilkins

10-10-2006, 06:14 PM

People like him are incredibly difficult to break down. Take Jack for example. Take some food from him and then talk friendly, he'll sit down and shut up to get a sandwich. Sawyer would have passed out from hunger with his middle finger stuck in the air. Which is why we love him! :smile:

Ghosty, my dear, you are a genious!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Good afternoon my dear OutKaSts, :wavey:

I wish my post was a little more "chearleader-y" today but I'm sorry it's not as much as I would like. I agree that we should make sure that all we have to say that might be considered spoilery is put in spoiler font, however, I must also admit that I too think policy should be changed to allow for OutKaSts and a spoiler thread.

Durig the summer, girlspy15 and I decided that we would try to start building up OutKaSts so we took the shows we already had from Season 2 and Season 1 and started talking them up and what not. Before too long we got more members and we went on from there.

At that time we had nothing but the previous shows and the DVD sets to talk about. It stands to reason that we would be using the current shows and the upcoming information to formulate the discussion questions and our responses to them that we use now. This really is the only way to formulate the intelligent responses that we like to create.

I also hope that everything can be worked out, and I agree totally that there will be new people coming on who won't know the rules and won't have the same experiences we have and I think that there will always be a significant amount of spoiler posts until at least this upcoming hiatus, and then again during next summer.

And another thing that concerns me is the idea that all the spoilers may be upsetting readers. I have not heard of any of our readers being displeased. So, I'm wondering if this is actually happening or is it a concern that it might happen. For the most part OutKaSts is posted on by primarily the same group of people and most of us know each other through the fuselage, so I would think that if there is too much spoilering and someone has a convern about it, it would have been voiced by know and we would have known about it.

Perhaps it is time for policy to be reevaluated. Just my thoughts.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

car88win

10-10-2006, 06:40 PM

I'm all for a seperate thread if it will help. Anything to cut down on the spoiler fonting here. The only concern is that we continue to be diligent in making sure here, we do not post anything spoilerish or our responses to said spoilers. I know it would be more work for mods concerned, but I do think it would be an opportunity for us to show that we can handle both. If anyone has voiced concern over spoilers, we do have a few that try to remain on their spoiler diets, it's like dangling a carrot in front of them. It can't be easy. That part of it, I understand.

ETA: Reading Half's post. Now I'm at a loss. So, I don't have any clear thoughts on it now. During the summer, I think a lot of chatter was more about what we might get, which in essence was "spoilerish" plus you would find a news article here or there. I think this whole SKate, Jate, and all the other ships out there, puts us in a bind. We love to talk about what spurs on those ships and keeps each a float. It's the nature of the beast. I wish there was something we could do. The bit about limiting spoilers, that probably could be done for a while, but with each episode, comes more anticipation and everyone is bound to get wound up all over again. :undecide: If anyone can come up with a workable solution, let everyone in on it. Anything to help.

Myha

10-10-2006, 07:04 PM

Lisa:

considering that there are a LOT of posters in outkasts, but only a few of them post... maybe not wanting to read spoilers has something to do with it.

It's no fun going into a thread, not wanting to read a spoiler, and then everything you see is fonted except a few words in each post....

mangopie

10-10-2006, 07:42 PM

etrainor - what do you mean by 'an infraction?' your name looks the same as everyone else's to me... :smile:

It says under number of posts "infractions 1/0" but if no one else can see it, then I guess I can stop feeling like Hester Prynne. :hypocrit:
erin.

car88win

10-10-2006, 07:44 PM

No one can see that but your own eyes. It's just for your info only.

chellly

10-10-2006, 08:03 PM

And another thing that concerns me is the idea that all the spoilers may be upsetting readers. I have not heard of any of our readers being displeased. So, I'm wondering if this is actually happening or is it a concern that it might happen. For the most part OutKaSts is posted on by primarily the same group of people and most of us know each other through the fuselage, so I would think that if there is too much spoilering and someone has a convern about it, it would have been voiced by know and we would have known about it.

Lisa:

considering that there are a LOT of posters in outkasts, but only a few of them post... maybe not wanting to read spoilers has something to do with it.

It's no fun going into a thread, not wanting to read a spoiler, and then everything you see is fonted except a few words in each post....

Lisa,

Myha's point sums it up best for me. (This is a poster comment, not a "mini" comment). If you check out the member list for outkasts, I'm on it. I joined well before I ever became a mini. I am also a member of the spoiler board and don't mind being spoiled. However, I joined and then stopped coming to this thread (as well as a couple of others) because there were many times that pages of conversation, with the exception of a couple of words, were spoiler fonted. I use the spoiler board to discuss spoilers. I do not wish to revamp the same stuff in another thread and deprive those that aren't spoiled (or are trying really hard not to be spoiled) of having a great conversation.

I didn't complain about it, I just left. I'm sure you'll find that many members don't post. I would ask those that created this thread to take a step back and wonder why. Sure there are those that haven't logged on for a while, there are those that mainly lurk, but I think it would be remiss of those that created and try to keep order in the threads to not take a step back and wonder if there is something they can change to promote participation by everyone.

I don't think it's a matter of the mods changing their policies. I think it's a matter of those that created the thread revisiting the original purpose of the thread and to try to get back to their roots so to speak.

Just my thoughts on the matter. :biggrin:

car88win

10-10-2006, 08:09 PM

I don't think it's a matter of the mods changing their policies. I think it's a matter of those that created the thread revisiting the original purpose of the thread and to try to get back to their roots so to speak.

Just my thoughts on the matter. :biggrin:So funny you mention that Chelly. I just posted to a few the other day somewhere else and gave them the link to the original OutKaSt thread that started it all. They found it interesting and I got all misty. Was nice revisiting the old days. It's just gotten to be such a roller coaster. No getting off. It's like one that Steven King himself could have built.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=6117 - the first OutKaSt ship

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=16783 - the second

It does make you pause for thought. I myself try not to get all worked up, but it happens. I don't fault anyone for getting excited. I do see both sides of this. Maybe for our fellow OutKaSters we can certainly try.

This is posted in each new ship as it embarks:

If you're new to outKaSts, let me give you the low down. This group was made to celebrate the pairing of the bad boy and girl of the Island of Mystery. Kate and Sawyer have weathered the storm of what we know as Season 1. There have been bad times and good times, but every time they tend to find their way back to each other. Evi and Josh have created these two characters so well, that it wouldn't make sense for them not to end up together as characters. If you agree, then you have found you place here with the outKaSts.

girlspy15

10-10-2006, 08:23 PM

car88win

10-10-2006, 08:42 PM

I just have one thing to say. I was on the original ship too and I think we have evolved into a more discussion based ship, which I personally love. We are moving faster than we have since this place started, and I am thankful for all the great reading. I prefer this to chit chat. JMPO.

I challenge those of you who feel like they cant post to start a new topic or conversation. This thread isnt about people following a leader, its about the people in it. I was never aware till now that people were reluctant to post here because of spoilers. Infact, I think this is the highest number of posters weve had come together in a long time. I remember the days when it was one or two posts a day. This is a breath of fresh air to me. And I challenge any person who wants to be a part of this ship and wants to discuss things about Skate spoiler or non, and things pertaining to the show to do something about it. Were not mind readers. Get out and post!!! :)

I agree girlspy. Completely. I love the discussion. I've always been about the discussion. Even when it's about something I'm not seeing eye to eye with someone on. It's all about our communicating with each other and enjoying it while were doing it. It was fun at times back then, but yeah, it could get a bit slow. It's picked up, due to events, and I love it how busy it is now. This is the type of chatter we craved back then. It was a lot of Happy Birthdays etc. We still do that but not for posts/days on end. Still have to have a tentbanger party too btw. :rolleyes: I guess, what I look for when I come here isn't always the spoilers, and I do skip over most of that stuff anyway. But depending on the small comments before or after,then I'll open them up. It just depends. That and my mood. Sometimes, I just have to have it. Other times, I'm just ok reading and enjoying the banter that goes on.

MidnightSawyerfan

10-10-2006, 08:52 PM

Too tired to post anything other than to say hope everyone enjoys the second epi tomorrow eve!
Good night :biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

car88win

10-10-2006, 08:54 PM

NIght MSF. See ya later gator. Happy Wednesday - for you sooner!

Luanne

10-10-2006, 09:36 PM

So funny you mention that Chelly. I just posted to a few the other day somewhere else and gave them the link to the original OutKaSt thread that started it all. They found it interesting and I got all misty. Was nice revisiting the old days. It's just gotten to be such a roller coaster. No getting off. It's like one that Steven King himself could have built.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=6117 - the first OutKaSt ship

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=16783 - the second

It does make you pause for thought. I myself try not to get all worked up, but it happens. I don't fault anyone for getting excited. I do see both sides of this. Maybe for our fellow OutKaSters we can certainly try.

This is posted in each new ship as it embarks:

Woah, that was like taking a walk down memory lane. I didn't realize that I have been here since the first OutKaSts thread. Now that I think of it, back then there was alot of chit chat. I do like how this thread has progressed into an intelligent discussion.

car88win

10-10-2006, 09:49 PM

Woah, that was like taking a walk down memory lane. I didn't realize that I have been here since the first OutKaSts thread. Now that I think of it, back then there was alot of chit chat. I do like how this thread has progressed into an intelligent discussion. It is quite a difference isn't it? I mean we had our deep thought times, but for the most part it was just really nothingness. It has much more meaning now, the last few ships. I do hope that this just gives us a breather, and makes us realize about the whole spoiler/non spoiler posting. Maybe we do go over the top sometimes. It's our Sawyer nature.....:rolleyes:

Dezdemona

10-10-2006, 10:21 PM

Lisa,

Myha's point sums it up best for me. (This is a poster comment, not a "mini" comment). If you check out the member list for outkasts, I'm on it. I joined well before I ever became a mini. I am also a member of the spoiler board and don't mind being spoiled. However, I joined and then stopped coming to this thread (as well as a couple of others) because there were many times that pages of conversation, with the exception of a couple of words, were spoiler fonted. I use the spoiler board to discuss spoilers. I do not wish to revamp the same stuff in another thread and deprive those that aren't spoiled (or are trying really hard not to be spoiled) of having a great conversation.

I didn't complain about it, I just left. I'm sure you'll find that many members don't post. I would ask those that created this thread to take a step back and wonder why. Sure there are those that haven't logged on for a while, there are those that mainly lurk, but I think it would be remiss of those that created and try to keep order in the threads to not take a step back and wonder if there is something they can change to promote participation by everyone.

I don't think it's a matter of the mods changing their policies. I think it's a matter of those that created the thread revisiting the original purpose of the thread and to try to get back to their roots so to speak.

Just my thoughts on the matter. :biggrin:

I appreciate your comments, chelly. None of us want to make any Skate fan feel unwelcome. However, the conversation here has been wonderful of late, a mix of discussion about ship moments to date and excited speculation about what the spoilers might, or might not be bringing for us. That's simply the direction the thread has taken, and there isn't any other place on the board that we could continue that kind of exchange. If we even tried to do so in the Spoilers Forum, we'd be overrun with non-OutKaSters and the Mods would be spending their time putting out flame wars. I think it's a safe bet that it would be an unsatisfying result for everyone, posters and mods alike.

I can appreciate what a dilemma this presents for the mods, who are trying to be fair to all and who don't want to make a whole lot of additional work for themselves. Are you envisioning a huge increase in the actual number of posts you'd have to monitor? My suspicion is that there wouldn't be very much of an increase, more a case of posts that would have been here now being in another zone instead, with the total number not too much higher. There is already a proliferation of clubs in this forum, would two or three more (Jate, Skate, C/C) make that big a difference, especially if the policing of them were simplified to a black and white "With Spoilers" and "Without Spoilers"? A clear warning in the thread title and first post - "DO NOT ENTER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED" would let any potential poster know where he or she stands right up front. If needs be, in order to respect the strict letter of the rule for threads outside the Spoiler Forum, the "With Spoilers" thread could still require the use of spoiler tags. That way, if somebody slipped up, at least it wouldn't mean that someone got spoiled who really didn't want to. They had fair warning in the thread title. While not a perfect solution, this arrangement seems to work very well at LF. The mod pops in about once or twice a week to remind people about spoiler tags when it's an excitable period and the posts are flying by, but her main job seems to be to remind posters to keep non-spoiler "chat" in the thread specifically for that. With "chat" not frowned on here, your monitoring burden could end up being much lighter than it is now. Anyhow, those are my thoughts on the matter.

Add me to the list of OutKaSters with a warning. I know that none of us meant to slip up, but what a little bunch of "outlaws" we've turned out to be! I had thought to withdraw from this thread and confine myself to the Spoiler Forum, but it seems I've been banned from the Spoiler Forum. Of all places, that seems counter productive to me, particularly after a single lapse... and yes, I actually went back and checked every damned post I've ever made on the Fuse to see if I'd been sloppier than I realized. There was only the one spoiler goof. In any case, I'd appreciate if someone would tell me how long I can expect that ban to last.

And while we're on this subject, I must say I agree with some posts that I've seen in the last couple of days on the subject of rudeness. It shouldn't be tolerated from one poster to another, but I also don't think that being a mod is a license to be rude either. IMO, it reflects badly on the mods and on the board as a whole.

I am soooooo looking forward to the new episode tomorrow so that we can have fresh material to discuss! See you all after the show. :)

halfrek

10-10-2006, 11:04 PM

we HAVE A SPOILER policy. it is very clear. you choosing to PUT SPOILERS outside of the spoiler section just because you can is not acceptable. you are making it hard for the non-spoiled to participate. that means that they are excluded. there is not to be any place outside of the spoiler that should be excluding anyone. ever.

the choice to be spoiled is a personal one and the members here must make that choice, but you spoiler lot are MAKING that choice for them and it is not fair. we created the spoiler section for the spoiler people, now the spoiler people are overrunning the site. so should we make this whole site a spoiler site? the answer is no. we have ONE section for it. and that is where it should stay. you want to discuss spoilers then do it in the spoiler section under the heading of the recent spoilers.

or you know, we could just close the OutKaSts thread completely. :eek2:

ETA: i defer to Karri on this one as far as the spoilers go. for now i think that the spoiler section is the best place for such discussions. thank you.

Save The Humans

10-10-2006, 11:29 PM

:hug: to Dezdemona. You aren't alone.

So, Lisa--how's the next chapter of the Vegas fanfic coming along?

GaGa4Sawyer

10-11-2006, 12:35 AM

Regarding a lesser contribution of posters (new) in this thread (and even on the board in general) compared to other Lost-related sites/forums, it is likely a combination of two things: a small insular clique of posters chatting away among themselves, plus the overall environment of censorship.

When one is at the point of being told what they can talk about in regards to a TV SHOW...a fictional show with fictional characters, one needs to examine why they would choose to embrace such a censored environment and continue posting.

The board owners and managers have made themselves crystal clear over time and have remained consistent -- the very nature of what you can talk about (and not just on which thread) is tightly controlled. The members do NOT have a say.

The good news is that there are many, many places on the Internet where groups can form to talk to their heart's content about anything and everything...yes, even a fictional TV show.

Perhaps something to keep in mind.

Unless you like having those handcuffs on really tight.

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 12:47 AM

Well guys, the mods have spoken. All shipping comments regarding recent spoilers must now head to the spoiler section. That is where we will now be allowed to discuss in detail any spoilery shipping stuff like promos, interviews, casting etc. I suggest you make use of the spoiler theories section for any speculation.

Just be aware that we will be sharing space with other spoiler shipper groups and non-shippers. No thread is strictly appreciation oriented there, so be prepared for debate.

Let me just respectfully point out that Majandra actually asked the people on the Jater Couch their opinion on whether they thought a separate shipping spoiler thread in the Spoiler section would be a good idea. We were not given that courtesy.

ETA: I also presume that the Jater Couch people will also be informed it is not acceptable to post spoiler fonted spoilers outside of the spoiler section, period. And the Jackets..and well...everyone.

Anyways....on to non spoilery discussion.

Anyone have any ideas why Benry has decided to allow Sawyer and Kate to interact and be put in cages close to each other? And Jack is kept separate? It does seem a bit calculated, and I wonder if Kate's ' Where's Sawyer and Jack' thing prompted which way the decision went. Or did the Others know prior to that, through surveillance the feelings simmering under the surface between the two of them.

Dezdemona

10-11-2006, 12:53 AM

Ghost963

10-11-2006, 02:05 AM

or you know, we could just close the OutKaSts thread completely. :eek2:
Oh please don't do that! I would be very sad. :sadwalk:

Can one of us create a thread in the spoiler section? I thought we could start one at will... I did read what one of the MODs said about not having more than one thread for each subject, but could we do it that way and still not be breaking the rules?

Are the outKaSts really the worse at breaking the rules? Wow... and we all seemed so pleasent on here! I'm ashamed of all of you!!! :wink1: :hug:

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 02:24 AM

In the official spoiler section, there must only be one thread per spoiler, and the spoiler must have the date and the source in it.

However, you are free to post spoiler speculations in the Spoiler Theories section, which is where I suggest people go if they want to talk about some shipping spoilers in depth.

Ghost963

10-11-2006, 02:51 AM

Well there you go! Can't we just start a spoiler thread in that section and just run about 200 pages on it like we do on here?

Save The Humans

10-11-2006, 03:11 AM

If you can go to Spoiler Theories, you should, folks. Too late for me--I'm banned--but you should be able to keep discussing these things, if it's allowed.

As I've mentioned before, I think James & Kate are separate from Jack because Benry has very different intentions for them in this "community."

Will he let them become a couple? I don't know. That's about as far as I think I can safely go here.

Wouldn't worry about James starving, though. He still has that grain that poured out from that compartment, remember? Still, the fish biscuit gift to Kate was TOO sweet!

Ghost963

10-11-2006, 03:22 AM

Nah, Sawyer figured out the fun grain and fish dance so he should be able to provide for himself and his girl... :wink1:

Kristina

10-11-2006, 07:23 AM

A question, is there or will we be allowed a thread in the "soiler theories" section designated to SKate and Skate-discussions? Or will the mods remove it due to the rule about only one thread for every subject???

Secondly, I do understand that a lot of people don't want to be spoiled however, personally, I'm not very interested in visiting this thread if no spolers, reactions to spoilers or such things are allowed in here. I know they are "allowed" but if the mods state that spilers should be limited, at least I interpret that as "should be avoided"......
I also understand that it might not be very fun to come here wanting to stay unspoilered, and the only things in the posts are spoilers. BUT as long as we spoilerfont spoilers we don't spoil people not wanting to be spoiled.......

And finally, I seriously don't think sopoilers are the reason for the number of regular posters in this thread, compared to the membership numbers. More likely, a lot of people don't spend as much time here as some others :), and some others probably want to state their opinions, but are not extremely interested in always discussing them......

Anyway, that's just my thoughts on the subject. I hope I offend no one, at least I don't intend to ;).

car88win

10-11-2006, 07:28 AM

Not much else can be said now can it. Spoilers in the spoiler area. Period. No using that spoiler button. Don't even look at it. If you can't say it here go there. I need a break from this place now.

Kristina

10-11-2006, 07:33 AM

Not much else can be said now can it. Spoilers in the spoiler area. Period. No using that spoiler button. Don't even look at it. If you can't say it here go there. I need a break from this place now.

Well at least that is a clear rule, and easy to remember.

See you in the "spoiler theories" section???

car88win

10-11-2006, 07:35 AM

Yeah. Easy enough. I may wander in there later. So post show is here, pre show or pre pre next show, is in there. Feels like Football. :redface:
But don't forget this rule either: In the FAQ

How long should information be considered a spoiler after it airs? On the linear board the information is considered a spoiler for three days, until 12 noon (EST) on the Saturday after a new episode airs. Spoiler font should be used until that time.

On the threaded board it is a spoiler until after the episode airs. Previews are considered spoilers until the ep they pertain to airs.

FYI for everyone that will end up going in there:
This is posted as the Spoiler Rules. Figure I'd give everyone a heads up, in case they miss it.

The following Spoiler Rules MUST be followed for everyone posting on the Threaded Board:
NOTE: Any topic or post found to break these rules may be deleted without notice.

Future Episodes (including Previews):
Information obtained from any source, including, but not limited to, ABC MediaNet, future episode previews and radio spots, are considered spoilers. Do NOT post this information without using the Spoiler Tag/Font.

Press:
Information obtained from any source that contains information about future plot lines, story arcs, character changes, etc., are considered spoilers. Do NOT post this information without using the Spoiler Tag/Font.

Topic Titles:
Topic titles must not contain any information deemed as a spoiler under these spoiler rules unless the topic is being created in the Spoiler or Spoiler Theory boards. Any topic started with a title that is deemed a spoiler will be moved to the Spoiler Theory board AND a redirected link will not be made.

The following rules MUST be followed for everyone posting in the Spoiler board:
NOTE: Any topic or post found to break these rules may be deleted without notice.

New Topic:
Only start a new topic in the Spoiler board if you have information on a NEW spoiler. Do NOT start a new topic there based on your theories.
Any topic started within that board that does not follow this rule WILL be moved to the Spoiler Theory board with or without a redirection link to it's new location.

Topic Titles:
Topic titles must contain specific information about the new spoiler using as much detail as possible.
This is to reduce the number of repeated spoiler topics on the same topic. Any topic found not giving detailed titles will be moved to the Spoiler Theory board without a redirected link.

Replies:
You may post speculation about a spoiler WITHIN the topic started on that spoiler or you may take it to the Spoiler Theory board and start a new topic there.

We are trying to keep this Spoiler Board as neat as possible. Imagine coming into this section looking for the latest spoiler information and having to wade through all the "This Person Dies Because...!", "I think Vincent is the Polar Bear" and my favorite, "OMG! Charlie can't die because he needs to woo Claire!" topics.

Thank you,
Huskie

joemamaah

10-11-2006, 08:38 AM

I don't think the new thing will be much easier. Say in the midst of some serious discussion here, clicking the spoiler font button isn't going to interrupt the flow like clicking my way over to the spoiler thread. If I had a spoiler thought to support a story line going on already, I'll have to make an announcement to go elsewhere. Once there you'll have the scroll all over the place to locate which post I'm referring to. That interrupts the flow for people there as well. Can you imagine being out for a couple of days & trying to catch up?

Possible? Yes. Easier? No. I could be all wrong, but I might resort to lurking -- to be safe.

Myha

10-11-2006, 09:11 AM

How long should information be considered a spoiler after it airs? On the linear board the information is considered a spoiler for three days, until 12 noon (EST) on the Saturday after a new episode airs. Spoiler font should be used until that time.

On the threaded board it is a spoiler until after the episode airs. Previews are considered spoilers until the ep they pertain to airs.This is for the LINEAR BOARD only!!!!!!

And the spoiler THEORIES are different than the actual spoiler board....

QueenElessar

10-11-2006, 09:23 AM

I have something to say on the spoiler situation...

And please understand that even when I disagree...I mean everything I say in a completely respectful manner...but I DO have very strong opinions on things.

I understand why there is a spoiler button...and I always make use of it. I understand that occasionally people make honest mistakes and forget...but people are really good about catching that and trying to correct the mistake as soon as possible. No one wants to intentionally spoil someone and ruin something they've been trying to be kept in the dark about. At first we used that old spoiler highlighting system where everything was blacked out. That made it very hard for people to scroll down if they weren't interested in reading that stuff. So we switched to the spoiler button, which makes the pages flow much better. If you don't want to read spoilers, it's much easier to skip them entirely. It's not as if the people who DO read spoilers have no concern for those who don't.

But when have we compromised enough? Now we're not supposed to have spoiler discussions in our ship threads at all? If we take them elsewhere they won't be able to remain in the community who supports and cares about those ships. They'll probably just turn into inter-ship arguments...or get completely off topic because of non-shippers. It's impossible to make everyone happy. It's all about choice. Everyone has the choice to read spoilers...some choose not to. And I think that non-spoiler people need to realize that they will be missing out on some discussions by doing that...and most do. It's not a bad thing...they don't WANT to be part of those discussions because they don't want to be spoiled. For the most part...this ship has always avidly discussed current Lost happenings...but as some people mentiond it ocassionally gets spoiler heavy because when there are no episodes...what else do we have to talk about besides rumours about upcoming Skate moments? We throw in games, and "what if" scenarios...and we DO actively include everyone...but should people who enjoy spoilers be the ones who always have to give them up simply because other people stay away from them. That's like saying that if a bunch of people are on a diet...no one should be allowed to eat candy around them. The end result being everyone is that everyone is forced into a diet...unless they want to go eat candy in a corner without their friends ;)

All I'm saying is that I think the current method works. If people are complaining that there are too many spoilers...I think that they're just being difficult. Because they don't have to read them. I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that. I find that the more people complain, the more this site becomes homogenized. If you try to please EVERYONE...then the site may become accessible to everyone...but FUN for no-one. Compromise has to exist in order for people to truly enjoy themselves and feel like they're not being incredibly constrained in discussion.

KatieFord

10-11-2006, 10:24 AM

I appreciate your comments, chelly. None of us want to make any Skate fan feel unwelcome. However, the conversation here has been wonderful of late, a mix of discussion about ship moments to date and excited speculation about what the spoilers might, or might not be bringing for us. That's simply the direction the thread has taken, and there isn't any other place on the board that we could continue that kind of exchange. If we even tried to do so in the Spoilers Forum, we'd be overrun with non-OutKaSters and the Mods would be spending their time putting out flame wars. I think it's a safe bet that it would be an unsatisfying result for everyone, posters and mods alike.

I can appreciate what a dilemma this presents for the mods, who are trying to be fair to all and who don't want to make a whole lot of additional work for themselves. Are you envisioning a huge increase in the actual number of posts you'd have to monitor? My suspicion is that there wouldn't be very much of an increase, more a case of posts that would have been here now being in another zone instead, with the total number not too much higher. There is already a proliferation of clubs in this forum, would two or three more (Jate, Skate, C/C) make that big a difference, especially if the policing of them were simplified to a black and white "With Spoilers" and "Without Spoilers"? A clear warning in the thread title and first post - "DO NOT ENTER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED" would let any potential poster know where he or she stands right up front. If needs be, in order to respect the strict letter of the rule for threads outside the Spoiler Forum, the "With Spoilers" thread could still require the use of spoiler tags. That way, if somebody slipped up, at least it wouldn't mean that someone got spoiled who really didn't want to. They had fair warning in the thread title. While not a perfect solution, this arrangement seems to work very well at LF. The mod pops in about once or twice a week to remind people about spoiler tags when it's an excitable period and the posts are flying by, but her main job seems to be to remind posters to keep non-spoiler "chat" in the thread specifically for that. With "chat" not frowned on here, your monitoring burden could end up being much lighter than it is now. Anyhow, those are my thoughts on the matter.

Add me to the list of OutKaSters with a warning. I know that none of us meant to slip up, but what a little bunch of "outlaws" we've turned out to be! I had thought to withdraw from this thread and confine myself to the Spoiler Forum, but it seems I've been banned from the Spoiler Forum. Of all places, that seems counter productive to me, particularly after a single lapse... and yes, I actually went back and checked every damned post I've ever made on the Fuse to see if I'd been sloppier than I realized. There was only the one spoiler goof. In any case, I'd appreciate if someone would tell me how long I can expect that ban to last.

And while we're on this subject, I must say I agree with some posts that I've seen in the last couple of days on the subject of rudeness. It shouldn't be tolerated from one poster to another, but I also don't think that being a mod is a license to be rude either. IMO, it reflects badly on the mods and on the board as a whole.

I am soooooo looking forward to the new episode tomorrow so that we can have fresh material to discuss! See you all after the show. :)

Dez. as always. well said ;)

I have something to say on the spoiler situation...

And please understand that even when I disagree...I mean everything I say in a completely respectful manner...but I DO have very strong opinions on things.

I understand why there is a spoiler button...and I always make use of it. I understand that occasionally people make honest mistakes and forget...but people are really good about catching that and trying to correct the mistake as soon as possible. No one wants to intentionally spoil someone and ruin something they've been trying to be kept in the dark about. At first we used that old spoiler highlighting system where everything was blacked out. That made it very hard for people to scroll down if they weren't interested in reading that stuff. So we switched to the spoiler button, which makes the pages flow much better. If you don't want to read spoilers, it's much easier to skip them entirely. It's not as if the people who DO read spoilers have no concern for those who don't.

But when have we compromised enough? Now we're not supposed to have spoiler discussions in our ship threads at all? If we take them elsewhere they won't be able to remain in the community who supports and cares about those ships. They'll probably just turn into inter-ship arguments...or get completely off topic because of non-shippers. It's impossible to make everyone happy. It's all about choice. Everyone has the choice to read spoilers...some choose not to. And I think that non-spoiler people need to realize that they will be missing out on some discussions by doing that...and most do. It's not a bad thing...they don't WANT to be part of those discussions because they don't want to be spoiled. For the most part...this ship has always avidly discussed current Lost happenings...but as some people mentiond it ocassionally gets spoiler heavy because when there are no episodes...what else do we have to talk about besides rumours about upcoming Skate moments? We throw in games, and "what if" scenarios...and we DO actively include everyone...but should people who enjoy spoilers be the ones who always have to give them up simply because other people stay away from them. That's like saying that if a bunch of people are on a diet...no one should be allowed to eat candy around them. The end result being everyone is that everyone is forced into a diet...unless they want to go eat candy in a corner without their friends

All I'm saying is that I think the current method works. If people are complaining that there are too many spoilers...I think that they're just being difficult. Because they don't have to read them. I'm sorry, but it's as simple as that. I find that the more people complain, the more this site becomes homogenized. If you try to please EVERYONE...then the site may become accessible to everyone...but FUN for no-one. Compromise has to exist in order for people to truly enjoy themselves and feel like they're not being incredibly constrained in discussion.

I totally agree!

So, back to Skate ....

mangopie

10-11-2006, 11:13 AM

I'm sorry..I'm confused about something. Do we have to go to the spoiler board with what we think will happen in upcoming episodes? Not any information obtained from promos or "official" spoilers like Kristen/Ausiello. Like speculation and such. For instance if I said "I think Skate will blah blah blah soon." Is it my understanding we can only discuss what has already happened and that's it? :confused:

Other than that, IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!! :jump: Anyone have any plans to watch tonite?

Kristina

10-11-2006, 11:18 AM

QueenElessar - I totally agree with you, 110%, although I'm not as great at expressing myself as you are :) :thumbup:

I'm sorry..I'm confused about something. Do we have to go to the spoiler board with what we think will happen in upcoming episodes? Not any information obtained from promos or "official" spoilers like Kristen/Ausiello. Like speculation and such. For instance if I said "I think Skate will blah blah blah soon." Is it my understanding we can only discuss what has already happened and that's it? :confused:
If I understand the mods correctly, basically yes

Other than that, IT'S WEDNESDAY!!!! :jump: Anyone have any plans to watch tonite?

Watch what???
Seriously though, unfortunately I have to wait until tomorrow since I'm 7-9 h ahead of you ;)

Starrox

10-11-2006, 11:47 AM

If it's speculation only based on what has already happened in an episode, no, you don't have to go to the Spoiler section since it's not a spoiler! ;)
But if your speculation is based on the fact that Kate is making a choice this season, then it is a spoiler and has to be treated as such.

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 12:50 PM

sheba

10-11-2006, 12:53 PM

*SKates into the thread ... starts to speak ... looks around ... shuts up*

hmmm ... I guess I'll just have a drink instead. ;)

Here's hoping for a SKate-a-licious eppy tonight!

addicted2much

10-11-2006, 01:02 PM

I hope Kate and Sawyer have some nice scenes tonight. :)

I hope this thread can get back to Kate and Sawyer interaction at some point. :)

I loved the fishbiscuit scene. Sawyer works so hard to get food and then he gives it to Kate. Awwwwwww.

Majandra

10-11-2006, 01:10 PM

So...when do the Jater Couch people (and all the other group threads) get notified that they can't post spoilers or spoiler speculations in their thread? Because I notice that no such announcements have gone out, and people are still merrily spoilerfonting and spoilering away out side of said spoiler sections. :confused:

I can assure you, the Jater Couch (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1203585&postcount=1230) got the same announcement from Halfrek you guys did.

You are all treated equally here. Don't worry.

We are only trying to make The Fuselage a pleasant experience for everyone and I don't understand why you should disagree with that.

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 01:11 PM

addicted2much

10-11-2006, 01:16 PM

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 01:17 PM

QueenElessar

10-11-2006, 01:19 PM

Did you ever watch Pleasantville Maj? ;)

No disrespect intended...but there are much better things to experience than 'pleasant'. Anger, excitement, etc...The problem with pleasant is that it's boring. By making everything uniformally pleasant for everyone, it take away from people being able to TRULY enjoy themselves. We can't argue...we might offend people. We better have seperate boards for people with different opinions. We can't talk racy, people might consider it non PG. We better make sure all language is suitable for 13 year olds. We can't talk spoilers...we might make people feel left out...We better limit where people can hint at certain things. In the end...we'll have a board that is being so careful to ensure that no one is ever offended or upset, or feeling left out...that no one ever laughs or gets excited or feels passionately about any subject. When you try to please everyone, you please no one.

Anyway...I don't want Skate to be associated with malcontent...so that's really all I have to say on the subject. I'm just dissapointed that the Fuse has slowly fallen prey to the disease of overmoderation. It's no one's fault...but it takes away from the spirit of the board :frown:

SKATE ON SISTERS!!!!! :biggrin:

fricksgurl75

10-11-2006, 01:34 PM

The thing that struck me was how that last skate scene was shot. Close ups on their faces through the bars, connecting through their eyes...and then suddenly a wide shot, to remind us how far away physically they are from each other which contrasts the emotional closeness of the interaction. :biggrin:

i love that too Zoriah, that was done delbiratly too i 'm sure. It looked like they were closer than they actually were physically. I love that both of them were right up against the bars too, as close as they could possilby get to eachother in spite of being at 15 to 20 feet away from one another. They were bridging the distance emotionslly, in spite of the fact that they were far apart. It was just a lovely scene.

sheba

10-11-2006, 01:52 PM

i love that too Zoriah, that was done delbiratly too i 'm sure. It looked like they were closer than they actually were physically. I love that both of them were right up against the bars too, as close as they could possilby get to eachother in spite of being at 15 to 20 feet away from one another. They were bridging the distance emotionslly, in spite of the fact that they were far apart. It was just a lovely scene.

*gets all teary thinking about the old Frankie Valli song ...*

~~My eyes adored you ... like a million miles away from me, you couldn't see how I adored you ... so close ... so close and yet so far~~

*sigh*

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 01:52 PM

The writers are certainly giving Skate some sweet moments, like the hug last season, and his 'I woulda done the same thing' pep talk in THP.

And now we have the glorious fishbiscuit scene this season. Showing Sawyer trying to ease Kate's distress, to cheer her up and make her feel better. Giving her his hard won meal.

The symbolism of them reaching through the bars for each other. *melts* I think the PTB are doing a great job of communicating there is connection here between the too of them. And how can you not feel for them being put into those situations. It does intrigue me though that they have been allowed to be together, in fact purposely caged in close proximity to each other by the Others. Is it because they are both criminals who shot one of their own? Because the Other's know they can control them better through each other perhaps (Ben picking up on Kate's choice of name first)?

fricksgurl75

10-11-2006, 02:19 PM

I do wonder about that.. i wonder if they think they can control Jack better by isolating him and control Sawyer and Kate better by having them together. The mere threat of violence against the other is used to curb disobience. Cause we know Sawyer is highly uncooperative, they can use how they know he feels about her to keep him ln line better than if he was by himself. Kate's unconcious use of his name first twice may have been a factor in the decision but i think they want to islolate Jack from them anyways. But i'm sure we will get more of an explanation.. or maybe we won't LOL

And yes they have certainly shown some very sweet moments in what is, to put it mildly, a rocky relationship. It's one of those where they get closer to eachother in spite of being physiclly separted. And as long as they can see eachother, they are ok, and of course he gives her the fish biscuit, a perfect toss that she catched effortlessly, completly in sync once again.

*gets all teary thinking about the old Frankie Valli song ...*

~~My eyes adored you ... like a million miles away from me, you couldn't see how I adored you ... so close ... so close and yet so far~~

*sigh*

damn Sheba.. i thought about that song too:biggrin:

sheba

10-11-2006, 02:27 PM

damn Sheba.. i thought about that song too:biggrin: [/I]

SKate minds ... :biggrin:

Majandra

10-11-2006, 04:24 PM

Majandra, we were not asked if a shipping spoiler thread would be a good idea while the Jater Couch was. In fact we were even berated strongly for bringing it up and discussing it here. We have been told under no circumstances is it acceptable to post any spoilers or spoiler speculations AT ALL outside of the Spoiler section.

Okay...

There seems to be a big misunderstanding.

It is not completely forbidden to post spoilers outside the spoiler section. We just ask everyone to cut down with the spoiler talk... if you don't have anything to say BUT a spoiler, then please post it in the spoiler section. It is absolutely okay to post little spoilers, bit of promo talk IF it's properly hidden under spoiler tags. We just ask you to move the big spoiler discussions over to the section where they belong.

The Jater couch was asked about a spoiler thread... well... just because I'm a Jater and I try to stay spoiler free. I didn't like going in the thread and see only spoiler talk, so I asked them if they want their own spoiler thread, so that ppl like me wouldn't feel left out and the discussion about the actual episodes gets buried under hundreds of spoiler posts.

Yes, I happen to be a mini-mod but my question to the Jaters was kinda "private" and not in my function as a mini-mod. It was no "official survey" on the topic.

So, I'm sorry no one asked you but I'm not a SKater, I never read this thread here but if I would, I might have asked you, too.

Btw... and please don't quote me on that because I'm not a mod in the spoiler section and I'm not even subscribed for the spoiler section but afaik everyone can open a new thread in the spoiler section... you don't need a mini to ask you if you want one. ;)

Did you ever watch Pleasantville Maj? ;)

Several times actually. ;) (Tobey Maguire :38: )

No disrespect intended...but there are much better things to experience than 'pleasant'. Anger, excitement, etc...The problem with pleasant is that it's boring. By making everything uniformally pleasant for everyone, it take away from people being able to TRULY enjoy themselves.

Okay, maybe I chose the wrong word... I'm sorry that my English is not perfect. :(

However, what I meant was that we want everyone to have fun her, to enjoy themselves. It was probably easier when the Fuselage was a much smaller board and before we pesky meanie mods started patrolling the boards but it's not that different from real life. The more ppl live together in one place, the more complicated it gets.

When I joined the Fuselage at the end of S1, we had about 15k users... I think we're close to 50k now...

Just imagine you're organizing a kid's party for a group of 5-year-olds (not saying all posters here are or act like 5-year olds ;) just using this as an example). When you have 15 of them, it might be okay and you'll sit in the corner watching them, smiling about their sillyness and let them run around screaming.
When you have 50 of them, the scenario is a tadbit different. ;)
At one point you probably will have to shout at them, make them cut down with the noise and do "boring stuff". They won't like it and whine and curse you for spoiling their fun but you really don't want any of them to get hurt.

So, please, have a little understanding for the mods... and we're only human, too and we do make mistakes, we do have bad days when we're less patient. (Uh oh... I so just didn't say that... :eek2: ;) )

We still want you to have fun, to enjoy yourselves, be angry, be passionate, be silly... just within a few limits. Okay? :)

Friends?

*stretches out hand*

:sawyer:

QueenElessar

10-11-2006, 04:59 PM

Zoriah

10-11-2006, 05:00 PM

MidnightSawyerfan

10-11-2006, 05:46 PM

Majandra, thank you for the clarification. :hug: I am relieved that it's not a total banning of spoiler discussion, per se. We'll just have to be much more careful and circumspect, and try not to let the spoilers dominate the thread. Which is a fair enough request, and lord knows your jobs are hard enough as it is.

I think everyone here just wants to have fun, enjoy the show, enjoy our ship and enjoy posting here on the board. :biggrin:

Here's hoping that tonight's episode sparks even more discussion and passion for all things Lost.

Whew! I'm so relieved there's no outright ban on spoilers here. Thanks Majandra for the clarification too. I think it should be easy enough to try containing the spoilers so that they don't take over - we can be busy discussing what just aired and either scratching our heads in confusion why certain things have happened and/or grinning the rest of the way through the thread here - not saying what's gonna happen now, just speculating what we'll say here if things happen one way or the other in any aspect of the show as well as between Sawyer/Kate/Jack :laugh:

Enjoy the show tonight everyone - hope it will be a good one! :biggrin:

ravenmoon

10-11-2006, 06:25 PM

Hey there fellow Ooutkasters!!!

Woah! Seems like I missed a bit of an arguement, lol, but I'm pleased to see it settles now!

Personally I really only go on this site for this specific thread! I used to posty all the time on the ABC forum, but the shipping wars just got to brutal and nasty that there was nothing but jate vs skate discussion wherever you went. Then losttvfan suggested I came over here because its just a skate thread (sdo I can actually talk to people where I dont have to constantly defend my opinion) but also because I had been tols pf the level of thoughtful discussion that there is over here!

I ocasionally go on the spoiler threads, mainly just to lerk and see what spoilers are going down so I know personally I would hate it if for ANY spoiler discussion that we had to go over there, because although this board is MILES better than the abc one for bashing etc, its still not something I want to leave myself open to.

But now that we have had clarified that wecan still [post spoiilers, just not have massive essay like speculation is spoiler font and nothing else, or to keep spoiler discussion to a minimum or only mention a few sentaces etc, at least thats my understanding on this, please tell me if I'm wrong lol!

I think we have all been getting a little spoiler excited over here because of the

promo showing a SKATE KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as a result of this we may not have realised that constant sopiler discussion was putting fellow skaters off, which I know is something no posters here wants!

As for tonights episode (well I can't watch it til thursday) I'm so excited, I feel the first episode was kind of setting the scene and the players and that this next one will be spectacular. And I'll look forward to discussing it (spoiler free!) with you all tmrw!!!!!!!

Night Night ;)

Majandra

10-11-2006, 06:44 PM

awww Maj...that was never intended as a dig against YOU!! I know you're only looking out for everyone's best interests...and I DO appreciate that. :)

You and I will probably never agree on this issue...because I'm a vehement non conformist, and a very opininated...dedicated arguer ;).

But I think you're a fantastic mod...and you do your job very respectfully :hug:

Majandra, thank you for the clarification. :hug: I am relieved that it's not a total banning of spoiler discussion, per se. We'll just have to be much more careful and circumspect, and try not to let the spoilers dominate the thread. Which is a fair enough request, and lord knows your jobs are hard enough as it is.

Whew! I'm so relieved there's no outright ban on spoilers here. Thanks Majandra for the clarification too.

Awww... :blushing: thank you guys :hug: I'm glad we sorted this out. :)

Happy LOST Day, Skaters!

lisagwilkins

10-11-2006, 07:55 PM

:clap: Happy LOST day, my darlin' OutKaSters!!!:clap:

Good evening to everyone!!!

I have to tell you all that I am completely and immensely and in every other way, pround of each and every one of you. You have all made my little Sawyer heart swell with pride and I cannot tell you what you all you mean to me.

:cheerleader: Are ya'll ready? Hang on, my dears, it's gonna be a bumpy night!! Let's get ready because we have to really pay attention what comes up tonight and personal for me, I really feel like we won't wait have to wait for the love scene or the decision to know for sure. We'll know tonight, whether it's voiced or not.

I love you all so much and I'm so glad that all of you are a part of my life.

And to my dear Maja :love: Thank you so much for you help and explanations today sweetie. It is very much appreciated...

Buckle in y'all,
Let the games begin!!

Love,
Lisa ;)

car88win

10-11-2006, 08:21 PM

Ditto Lisa! :clap: :kiss:

losttvfan

10-11-2006, 08:37 PM

:wub: Finally Wednesday and we have a lot to look forward to tonight! Personally this is the moment for me:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1184&pos=15

(http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1184&pos=15)

:biggrin: :heart: :mushy:

lisagwilkins

10-11-2006, 11:25 PM

Okay outkasters,

Here we go!!!

Tonight's questions...

What did you think of tonight's episode?
What was your favorite SKATE moment, since there were several to choose from?
What was the worst moment (SKATE or otherwise)?
What did you think about all the information Sawyer got so quickly from such a short amount of time?
How do you think he'll use it?

Feel free to come up with more your own...

Come on folks, let's get those answers comin'...

Huggs,
Lisa

Moriane

10-11-2006, 11:38 PM

What did you think of tonight's episode?

I loved the Othersville parts of tonight's episode, but Jin and Sun, while interesting, have never fascinated me the way some of the other (small "o" :p) characters do. In general, I liked 3.01 better, but there were some jaw-dropping moments in this one as well, specifically the last five minutes or so. "My name is Benjamin Linus, and I have lived on this island all my life." And the Red Sox bit made me LOL at first and then go, "awww."

What was your favorite SKATE moment, since there were several to choose from?

While the kiss was smokin', and I'll have to rewatch it (:thumbup: :love:), I actually think I liked the moment immediately before the kiss the best. That long, lingering shot of Sawyer looking incredibly concerned and conflicted, yearning, with his hair all in his face...that melted me in all sorts of different ways. :D Josh and Evi were great tonight, as was the writing for their characters.

What did you think about all the information Sawyer got so quickly from such a short amount of time?

I wouldn't expect any less from Sawyer. He made a living, and lived, by his ability to read people when he was a part of the "real world." He always has his eyes and ears open, and I'm not at all surprised that he was able to have collected a list of weak spots and other information a mile long by the time they pitched him back into his cage. However:

How do you think he'll use it?

I'm sure he's going to come up with some elaborate, and no doubt would-have-been-effective, escape plan. My concern is that, rather than strolling over to the cages and letting them know that he overheard their discussion, Benry is going to wait until they actually make a break for it to let them know he's known about it all along, and it's going to be that much more painful for them.

Fantastic episode tonight! Looking forward to more--and delighted that the Skate relationship continues to mature. "You taste like fish biscuits" was the best line in a while, and possibly the best Skate-themed line ever. :lol: :D

car88win

10-11-2006, 11:41 PM

What did you think of tonight's episode?
Shows Sawyer loves his girl in a dress, swinging an axe. Anyone got a shovel?

What was your favorite SKATE moment, since there were several to choose from?
The way he caressed and held her face as he kissed her.

What did you think about all the information Sawyer got so quickly from such a short amount of time?
He is a lot smarter then most gave him credit for. Street smarts, whatever you want to call it, he's got it and is quick.

How do you think he'll use it?
I hope he gets the chance. Didn't like that Benery was watching, Creepy Benery, although we love him, still creepy.

Not what we had been hoping for. Ah, yeah. And I gotta bridge.

I'd like to officially throw "You taste like fish biscuits" as our next ship too by the way. It's too perfect.

The Partyman

10-11-2006, 11:43 PM

So I gotta give props to the awesomeness that is Majandra, because her helpful post earlier has saved me a lot of time, typing, and multiquote madness! :D

Hi OutKasts!

I hope it's okay to refer to y'all as Skaters for the purpose of this post. It's a little easier to type than OutKaSts with the whole spooky capital thing going on.

Please Note: Any gross generalisations I make in reference to Skaters, Jaters, or 'shippers in general are for ease of clarifcation. Myself and the rest of the Staff are fully aware that the issues and problems we have been facing recently do not involve all of the active posters in these 'shipper Groups. However, as I am sure you have noticed, we feel that things have reached a point where we need to address the Group/Thread as a whole, so as to best ensure understanding and compliance. :)

So.... Majandra has already explained to you all that this notion that we have somehow "banned" all Spoilers outside the Spoiler Section is erroneous.

This means that I don't have to waste time pointing out some of the gross overactions and mind-boggling misunderstandings that have been posted by some here recently, and can get right to the point. Which is to clarify in my Lovely Blue Text something that a great many Skaters are either not understanding, or for one reason or another are refusing to acknowledge...

What exactly is the problem here regarding Spoilers?

I'll break this down in what could reasonable be taken to be a rough order of concern:

1) Posters have been posting Spoilers without the Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags

2) Posters have been posting spoilery references and reactions to Spoilers without the Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags.

3) For a Thread that is not within the Spoiler Section, there is a ridiculous ammount of Spoilers being posted.

A nice and easy one, two, three. :)

Additionally, we have noticed recently that there appears to be a worrying attitude among some 'shippers who appear to think that, because this is "their" Group Thread, that they are entitled to some kind of Special Treatment, such as not having to follow the same rules and guidelines as the rest of the forum, and that maybe it's okay for them to bend some of the rules, because nobody else comes to "their" Thread.

Hopefully all we have to do about that is post something like the paragraph above, and trust that those who may feel that way choose to change their behaviour of their own volition. :)

Let's look at those numbers (no, not those numbers!) in detail:

1) I know it's easy enough for the Staff to say something like "we are getting loads of reported posts for unfonted Spoilers", but believe me, we are not kidding. :(

To be blunt, the number of edits and reminders we've had to do in the Jater and Skater threads recently are shocking. What makes it worse is that they kept happening after friendly reminders from the Mods, and numerous comments in a number of Edit Footnotes. This has obviously made the Mods very frustrated, and to be honest, a little annoyed. :(

Everybody knows that any and every Spoiler posted outside the Spoiler Section has to be hidden with Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags. Every Poster using our site should be aware of this rule, and if they have not read the rules, then they should not be submitting posts to the site. So there is no excuse for not following this rule, and no excuse for being ignorant to it.

Yes, genuine mistakes can be made, but genuine mistakes can also be a) avoided by using the preview button before posting, and b) corrected quickly after posting by using the Edit button.

Admittedly this is perhaps an area that the Mods have been a little relaxed with in the past. Sometimes allowing benfit of the doubt, we might use discretion and simply edit Spoiler Tags to the offending posts, rather than issue an actual Warning or Infraction. We do take responsibilty for what may have been generously lenient moderation, and this is something that I assure you we have already begun working more dilligently on. While it may mean that genuine and innocent mistakes might incur Infraction Points and Posting Penalties, it is important that the rules be undertsood and followed.

2) Just as bad as point 1 really. It is vital that everybody understands that any reaction, reference or response to a Spoiler can in a majority of cases give away information on what the actual Spoiler is. Therefore such reactions/refernece/response needs to be hiden with Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags, just as the Spoiler itself would.

To give you a solid example of this, cast your minds back to when the Spoiler about Ana-Lucia's impending death was floating around, and many AL-haters were excited by the news. In anti-AL Threads, we were getting a huge ammount of posts such as this (for example):

Ana-Lucia is going to die! They are killing her off!OMG YAY! That is AWESOME NEWS!!! AT LAST!

*happy dance*I am sure you can all appreciate how the non-hidden text blatantly gives away what the Spoiler is about.

If you translate such an example into comments on any Skate or Jate Spoilers, I am sure you can all appreciate how important it is to understand and accept that many non-fonted comments are actually very spoilery. Within a 'shipper Group/Thread, even seemingly innocent expresisions of sadness or joy at reading a Spoiler can give away the content of the hidden information.

Just to check... what is a Spoiler? (Actually, if you don't know that already, please go and read the Rules right now. Thanks).

It's the single most simple and straighforward rule that we have, and it's not even one that we created, it is pure common sense, and universally accepted in media fandom. Anything that has not yet aired in an actual episode of the show is a Spoiler. Previews, flashbacks, dialogue, casting, TV Guide descriptions, press relaases, script pages, photos, interview comments... the list goes on. If it's going to be in a future episode of Lost, it is a Spoiler until it has aired.

Please forgive me for the patronising lesson there. I am sure all the 'shippers know what a Spoiler is already.

You certainly seem to post enough of them.:biggrin:

3) This is a Group Thread.

This Thread is not within the Spoiler Section. Therefore, the discussions within the Thread should not be predominantly spoilery, and any posting of Spoilers here should be kept to a reasonable minimum. While Spoilers can certainly be posted here (so long as they are correctly hidden), Spoilers should not be the majority content of the Thread. This is common sense, and applies throughout the whole TB. There is no point having a regular Thread that is full of Spoilers - even if hidden, such discusions belong in the Spoiler Section, and is in fact why we have a Spoiler Section.

If there are pages and pages of posts full of Spoilers within any Thread ouside of the Spoiler Section, there is a clear and present danger that the thread could be determined to be a Spoiler Thread, and need to be closed or relocated to the Spoiler Section.

There are several occasions where we have had to close and/or move Threads for turning into predominantly Spoiler discusions. Some of you may have even posted in them. Having to take that kind of action is no fun for anybody, but common sense and posting guidlines must be followed.

The simple logic behind this is... if a Thread is basically just discusing Spoilers, then why was it not created in the Spoiler Section in the first place? :undecide:

There have been patches, and then chunks of this Thread recently that have caused us great concern in this area, as the topic of conversation has gotten dangerously close to basically being nothing but an ongoing Spoiler discussion. In fact, it may already have - but that is something we are trying to avoid having to take action on for the time being, as closing or moving it would surely cause an uproar, right? ;)

Just to emphasise that none of what I am saying is anything "new", here is a post I had to make a while ago, on very similar issues: SPOILER REMINDERS (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=931728&postcount=1250)!

Jaters, Skaters, Ana-haters, it doesn't matter what Group/'ship/Character posters or groups love/hate - EVERYBODY should be posting responsibly and following the Rules. :)

We totally appreciate that many 'shippers do not ever visit the Spoiler Section, and only want to read spoilers specific to their 'ship of choice, and enjoy being able to do so here. This is completely fine so long as the Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags are used correctly. However, if the Thread is nothing but post after post of Spoilers then it may as well just be in the Spoiler Section.

The Partyman

10-11-2006, 11:43 PM

What can we do to tackle the problems?

When posting Spoilers, always use the Spoilerfont/Spoiler Tags. Always.

Ditto for any references/reactions/responses that may be spoilery.

As far as returning Spoiler posts to a safe level within the 'shipper Threads, perhaps the ongoing discussions of the Staff and/or ideas made to Site Suggestions might yield a Magic Solution that pleases everybody. :undecide:

Though should we really have start changing forum policies just because a couple of Threads have gotten over-eager in their Spoiler talk? Maybe. Though it would be nice to think that Big Changes are not neccesary.

I am personally surprised that I haven't seen any Spoiler Theory Threads with titles such as Kate chooses Jack Kate chooses Sawyer What the Skate kiss means for the future of Skate What the Skate kiss means for the future of JateEven something more vague such as "The Future of Skate" or "Theory on the Jate Spoilers" might be a valid Topic in the ST Board.

What you think might happen with your 'ship in the future, is essentially expressing a Theory, and if that Theory is based on - or makes any reference to Spoilers, then it is a Spoiler Theory. So the Spoiler Theories Board is the most sensible place for such discusions.

Anybody is completely entitled to create a new Spoiler Theory Topic to discuss any spoiled theories they like (so long as it's not a duplicate discussion to existing ST Threads). I suggest that if any of the 'shippers do feel a great urge to make every post in here a Spoiler Post (as we have seen evidence of recently) that they simply go and start a Topic in the Spoiler Theories Board.

I'm not issuing a directive, or announcing any "You can never ever ever post Spoilers here again, even if they are hidden". I'm just pointing out that there is already a perefectly logical place for Spoiler talk on any speculative subject - including 'ships.

Something to thing about perhaps, before anymore cries of "we need a Spoiler Thread!" are heard (I know not all of you have been demanding such a thing, but there have been many posts about it, and much contemplation by the Staff).

So.. ya got all that? ;)

All we are asking, is that the 'shippers behave more sensibly and responsibly when it comes to posting Spoilers. If everyone can make a focused effort to do so, then I am hopeful that we can avoid any Big Changes or New Rules. Though please understand that if an effort is not made, then our patience might get wafer-thin pretty fast.

Now I totally appreciate that the general posting behaviour (for want of a better word) in the 'shipper Threads has improved over the last 24 hrs or so, and I may have covered some material here that some of you may feel is now obselete or irrelevant, or has already been clarified. However, it is important that everyone understands these issues, both so that the Posters can do what they can to return their Spoilery talk to sensible levels, and so that any future actions by the Mods (if deemed neccesary) are met with co-operation and understanding, rather than confusion and complaining. :)

I feel like I should say "Namaste" or something, but I guess that would be cheesy. :D

*** Due to an observed concern that any Imporatnt Comments made by Mods to 'shippers involved in the perceived "Triangle" be made to both groups, I shall be posting an edited version of this post to the Jater Couch.

car88win

10-11-2006, 11:46 PM

ok, that's enough for me then. I thought this whole thing was settled. I'm tired of it now. Did we do something wrong again?

The Partyman

10-12-2006, 12:01 AM

ok, that's enough for me then. I thought this whole thing was settled. I'm tired of it now. Did we do something wrong again? Nope. I just type really slowly. :redface:

Ghost963

10-12-2006, 12:04 AM

I think the MODs are just clarifying on that one car88win. :smile: I'd rather them clarify (thanks for that, by the way) then for us to get in more trouble. We're feisty ones! :wink1:

I'll be back in a bit with my amazing responces to the questions posted by Lisa!

Zoriah

10-12-2006, 12:39 AM

Good lord that was mammoth Partyman! *grins* Okay, now that things are cleared up...

Lisa, I love your questions. I just need to sorta get myself down from squeeing heaven and process things before I answer. Just sorta Lost and Skate overload at present. :biggrin:

fricksgurl75

10-12-2006, 12:40 AM

wow Lisa GREAT questions... and i love to answer this stuff..

What did you think of tonight's episode? I loved it of course. Actually all the parts not just the Skate ones.. esp the mention of my 2004 World Champion Red Sox :biggrin: I just love seeing that footage again.. the icing on the cake..

What was your favorite SKATE moment, since there were several to choose from? Well i love the kiss, the way he caressed her face while he was doing it too, and the smile he gave her afterward, and the way she she looked at him too. But i also love the scene at the end when he tells her 'you taste like strawberries' :biggrin: oh yeah and the 'stop looking at my :censored: ' line was great.

What was the worst moment (SKATE or otherwise)? hmmm i would have to say seeing Sawyer sick in his cage.. that was upsetting. But i saw nothing bad in the epi.. i liked it for the most part..

What did you think about all the information Sawyer got so quickly from such a short amount of time? that was fantastic, showed how smart he was, picking all that up from observation. He dosen't miss a thing that one. He sure as hell isn't a stupid redneck, those conning skills come in handy that's for sure. And i absolutly loved his fighting skills here, let no one say that he dosen't know how.. he chooses his battles. Sometimes it's smarter not to fight.

How do you think he'll use it? Well if Henry hadn't been listening i'd say he'd have found a way out but i presume that cause they know.. well could be bad news esp since i'm hearing that he is probably gonna be tortured again in Epi 4 :frown:

but anyways... i'm gonna squee my little head off all night about this epi..
and to me although the kiss was used as a distraction he so very obviously meant it. He wanted to kiss her, and just by the way he did it you could tell it was no chore for him to kiss her, he after all loves her. :biggrin:

and Partyman thanks for explainng all of that, appreciate it, and hope we can just get onwith things now... Peace ya'll