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girlspy15

07-19-2006, 12:45 PM

K is for Kate, S for Sawyer

Howdy Outkasters,

Welcome to Chemistry A Tidal Wave Couldn't Extinguish. If you're new to outKaSts, let me give you the low down. This group was made to celebrate the pairing of the bad boy and girl of the Island of Mystery. Kate and Sawyer have weathered the storm of what we know as Season 1, 2 & 3. There have been bad times and good times, but every time they tend to find their way back to each other. Evi and Josh have created these two characters so well, that it wouldn't make sense for them not to end up together as characters. If you agree, then you have found you place here with the outKaSts.

This is also a place to discuss the actors as well as the characters. Anything goes as long as it has to do with either Evi/ Kate or Josh/ Sawyer.

If you aren't an outKaSter that's fine. Please find else where to discuss them. This is a group for people who enjoy the pairing. Thanks!!

Things To Do On The Ship Deck

1. Post Fan Fics for the two (They're fun to read)
2. Post any fan related art for the two. (Get creative!)
3. Discuss future or past episodes involving the couple. (Excited about that smile, or maybe a roll around in the dirt?)
4. Discuss Theories and or Spoilers. (Saw something we missed? [Make sure, if it's a big spoiler to use the HTML code to block it out...Not everybody might want to see it.])
5. Talk about the wonders which are Kate and Sawyer. (How I luv those bad girls and those bad boys)
6. Or....Just chit chat about anything else you think I missed. (Have fun with it people...that's what it's all about.)

Don't Stop Here, There's More

Our Slogan:From one outKast to another

Our Mascot: A Big Black Beautiful Horse

Our Fruit: The dancing Banana and the newly adopted Strawberry (which goes quite nicely with Bananas or shortcake ;) )

"I try to analyze the situation as realistically as possible and I can only see Kate and Sawyer growing closer from what's happened." If Sawyer gets back to the island, they should have a new sense of value in each other. They say if you love something, let it go, and then see what happens from there.Not only did they break physically, but they really broke ties emotionally before they left. You see them both gazing out across the beach before they left, looking for each other, so they clearly play a significant part in each other's lives.I also think that what Sawyer gives to Kate is a sense of normalcy and mutuality.When she is around Sawyer, suddenly who she is doesn't have to be hidden and I think she's less ashamed of it. I think she is more able to say, "This is who I am. Take it or leave it,buddy!'' That's a real gift. In real life, usually the people we feel the most in love with and attracted to are the people that allow us to be ourselves- faults and all.-Evangeline Lilly From Lost Magazine

"Sawyer will always screw it up because he's Sawyer. He's all caught up in it now and he's got feelings for her and there is nothing he can do about it. She's got him in a way....."- Josh Holloway, From Lost Magazine

OutKaSts Alliances
D.I.M.P.L.E.S: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=40535(fans of Sawyer get wild here!)
K.A.T.E. http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=11534(fans of Kate)
Sun Worshippers: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=11487 (Sun is a perfect role model for young women...talk about her here!)
JuSt: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=8570 (Sawyer and Jack fans unite....no....they aren't killing each other...check it out)

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Note: This ship was started by Tarrish our devoted Skater leader till the end. Our positive thoughts remain with her in this time of need. She will always be the hostess to this ship, and until she comes back, we will keep the signal fire burning for her and Skaters everywhere. ;)

:sawyer: :kate:

fricksgurl75

07-19-2006, 12:57 PM

*comes in and looks around*
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh new ship, i like it!!!!
it's all pretty and shiney, makes me feel all happy inside :biggrin:

and i gotta admit, i like the title :naughty:

girlspy15

07-19-2006, 01:01 PM

Hehe, yeah I know fricks, got a little creative with it. I just loved all of them, lol. K, now we just need some decorations, lol.

fricksgurl75

07-19-2006, 01:06 PM

i suggest some pretty pictures :biggrin:
or a video or 2, something visualy stimulating ;)

lisagwilkins

07-19-2006, 01:07 PM

whoo hoo...looky there...it's all new and pretty...cute as a baby's butt...

and there's Girlspy and Fricks...hi y'all...

Huggs,
Lisa

Perdue

07-19-2006, 01:13 PM

Nice new place, she says, checking out the paint and curtains.

honeypoppy0212

07-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Hey Ladies! The new ship looks nice! Great job girlspy! :biggrin:

halfrek

07-19-2006, 02:06 PM

*squee* new thread.
and ooh creative title combination. i like it. ;)

sk8

07-19-2006, 03:05 PM

I love my outKaSt n# 200 :happy: and the new title is great,explosive when wet :clapping: great work Girlspy15.

Darbi

07-19-2006, 03:11 PM

Nice thread title. ;)

sk8

07-19-2006, 03:36 PM

OutKaSts #5 it reminds me of my perfume Chanel n# 5 ;)

oh oh! did you read that? it looks like fiction is turning into reality :confused:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1092198#post1092198

joemamaah

07-19-2006, 04:28 PM

explosive when wet!!! I love it. No description could be better. My avi is already wet. . . .

wet pix - none are overly outstanding, but have good potential:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23218&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23228&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23174&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23220&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=59415&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=59434&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23328&fullsize=1

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=23327&fullsize=1

girlspy15

07-19-2006, 04:34 PM

Yey, joemamaah, those pictures definately spruce this place up. Thanks for the links. ;)

irish lost fan

07-19-2006, 04:38 PM

Just had to come in and say that the title is cool.. reminds me of chemistry in school.. :biggrin:

girlspy15

07-19-2006, 04:44 PM

Thanks irish, nice to see you around these parts. :)

joemamaah

07-19-2006, 05:06 PM

by girlspy15

What do you think Sawyer's backstories should cover the season, assuming he'll get aleast two? Definately want to see the Tampa job in there. I also want to know when he was in Tallahassee and how Hibbs screwed him. Also as it was pointed out before, more of his adolescence, did he really grow up in foster care after his parents died? And what happened when he was 19 to make him turn into Sawyer?

Great questions. Maybe more story about the fling his mother had with the Sawyer who conned her.

fricksgurl75

07-19-2006, 05:15 PM

oh jomamaah such lovely pictures, almost as nice as your avi ;)

*helps hang them on the on the walll, in prominent places so they can be seen clearly*

And they do go with the water them very well don't they? :biggrin:

oh and as far as the supposed 'thing' that was in that link, we had a discussion about it on ABC and i we covered it pretty well. I think something got blown out of proportion there that's all.

honeypoppy0212

07-19-2006, 05:55 PM

fricksgurl75

07-19-2006, 06:00 PM

i do like the water theme we have going so far. Going swimming, gettting caught out in the rain... or the way Sawyer shakes the water out of his hair as he's coming out of the ocean.... :naughty: There's so many things that could be said here but i'll stop now..:biggrin:

and guess what i just moved into Economy with this post :jump1:

*is a dork* :redface:

Perdue

07-19-2006, 06:21 PM

Zoriah

07-19-2006, 06:50 PM

Perdue

07-19-2006, 06:54 PM

'Too Late for Skate, missy.' and leave with dignity.

I hadn't thought of that, but I would prefer that to Sawyer's pining away while Jack and Kate walk hand in hand into the romantic sunset and all of us here alternatively crying and barfing.

lisagwilkins

07-19-2006, 07:07 PM

i suggest some pretty pictures :biggrin:
or a video or 2, something visualy stimulating ;)

Is that a request Fricks...hehehehe...I'm working on another one soon.

I love my outKaSt n# 200 :happy: and the new title is great,explosive when wet :clapping: great work Girlspy15.

She done good, didn't she?

Thanks irish, nice to see you around these parts. :)

Yea, Irish, come on back and see now, you hear?

Okay, I have a question. An unthinkable question I know, but nevertheless. If Jate happens as the Jaters are so certain it will, what should happen to Sawyer? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?
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And along with that, on a more cheery note, if we SKate to an ending (insert cheering and whistling here), what should happen to Jack? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?

Ooooh, great question Perdue!!!

Let's see...

If Jate happens instead of SKATE (God forbid), I think it would be more about what I wouldn't want to see. I would not want to see him pine away and suffer over it. He's better than that. Josh is a much better actor than that and it would be a waste of his character.

Now, if SKATE happens which of course makes all things right with the world, then I wonder if the monster is still hungry...hehehe...seriously though, I would also not like to see Jack pine away either...in all honesty I think Matt's character is better than that too.

Glad y'all like the new ship. It's real pretty, huh?

And as for that thing that's supposed to come out in In Touch Magazine...I don't believe it for anything. I think it's just to sell magazines.

Huggs y'all,
See ya soon,
Lisa

girlspy15

07-19-2006, 07:57 PM

Okay, I have a question. An unthinkable question I know, but nevertheless. If Jate happens as the Jaters are so certain it will, what should happen to Sawyer? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?
100%
And along with that, on a more cheery note, if we SKate to an ending (insert cheering and whistling here), what should happen to Jack? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?

Great question Perdue. I already said what I would do if Sawyer sacrificed himself for Jate :p. LOL. I dont want to see anyone sacrifice themselves for any pairing. Like Zoriah says, its been done. And I agree with Lisa, that I dont want to see them pining away either. Sawyer said that hes never been in love. Hes never let himself fall in love, so I want to see that happen for him, even if its not with Kate. Again, as Lisa says, Josh just has too much to offer. I wouldnt want to see him as some sidebar character who sets up the punch lines and takes all the hits. He deserves more. I want to see him have happiness.

And although I dont feel as passionately for Jack as I do Sawyer, Id want the same for him. I dont want to see him pine away. They are both above that stature of being Kates discarded man. They both deserve an equal chance at happiness. And although on a show like Lost happiness is not a likely occurence or short lived, a chance at it would suffice for me. :)

sk8

07-19-2006, 08:30 PM

I'm always the last one to know about everything :down:

And although I dont feel as passionately for Jack as I do Sawyer, Id want the same for him. I dont want to see him pine away. They are both above that stature of being Kates discarded man. They both deserve an equal chance at happiness. And although on a show like Lost happiness is not a likely occurence or short lived, a chance at it would suffice for me. :)

Jack is interacting with an Other woman in S3

that would be good for Skate and everyone is happy at the end.;)

MidnightSawyerfan

07-19-2006, 09:06 PM

Hey, I like the new ship's name Girlspy, good of you to start it & host 'til Tarrish returns. Thanks for my new outKaSt's # too :)

Okay, I have a question. An unthinkable question I know, but nevertheless. If Jate happens as the Jaters are so certain it will, what should happen to Sawyer? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?
100%
And along with that, on a more cheery note, if we SKate to an ending (insert cheering and whistling here), what should happen to Jack? What would be the best possible ending for him under those circumstances?

Jate happening would be too painful for words, but if it has to happen, I too don't want to see Sawyer suffering although he would have to suffer somewhat - after all, Kate is most likely the only woman he has ever been in love with. Wouldn't be right if he just skipped along his merry way! I can't see anyone else on the island taking Kate's place in his heart so the best ending for him in Jate circumstances would be that dealing with the pain of it makes him stronger as he has realized he can fall in love & be open to someone else loving him too.
If Skate happens - yay!! happy days all around for us - I don't want to see Jack suffer too much either but I do believe he'd be able to recover a lot quicker than Sawyer would if situation reversed. I think it would be possible for Jack to find love with someone else on the island too ;)

Losttvfan - of course, I'll post link for Skate/Jate poll as requested on to another site too - it seems to be steadily increasing for Skate, yippee!

Save The Humans

07-19-2006, 10:29 PM

Maybe The Others can clone Kate, and BOTH ships could sail! :D

Drugal97

07-19-2006, 10:48 PM

I would love, love to join!! Please do tell me how! =)

Perdue

07-19-2006, 11:24 PM

I honestly don't see Sawyer falling for someone else on the island unless he falls for an Other and that would turn him even more to the dark side, to mix my movie metaphors. If Jate happens, I can't really see anything for Sawyer but to sacrifice himself in some noble fashion to save either Kate and/or Jack. I think that at least some on the other side of this would find that to be the perfect solution. The noble anti-hero dying so that the perfect girl and perfect guy can be together.

If that's the way it's going to come down, I'm not going to be around to watch. Not only would it be so unbearably sad, it would make me downright angry that the show would cave in to the pressure of the "way things ought to be in tv-land."

fricksgurl75

07-19-2006, 11:32 PM

wee another question!!! :biggrin:

as far as that goes, i like the Gone with the Wind route, she comes to her senses, but too damn late for him. Cause i don't want to see him end up in the Tale of Two Cities route either, (and i was thinking about that other day, gotta be those Skate minds :lol2: ) making the sacrifice so she can be happy with that other guy. And as much as i hate seeing him alone, i just think it would be unrealistic, esp for him, to just fall that quickly for wnother girl. And i just can't see him with anyone other than Kate. I think she does complete him. But if she chose Jack, maybe letting her go would be part of his redemption, having loved and lost, and being the better for it.

And i certainly don't wish Jack any unhappiness, I would hope he could find someone for him if the opposite were the case. Cause i think he'd bounce back from it alot better that some give him credit for. I want them both to be happy, cause neither one deserves be a sloppy second here.

Maybe The Others can clone Kate, and BOTH ships could sail! :D

:roflmao: now theres a solution

and Druga, all you have to do to join is do what you just did, girlspy will add you next time she's here

welcome to OutKaSts!!! :hug:

Circle7

07-20-2006, 12:38 AM

I will so be disappointed if they do this. I'd rather they go the Gone with the Wind route, have Sawyer suffer through Jate, and then Kate come to her senses, and him say 'Too Late for Skate, missy.' and leave with dignity.

Well, I've always said Sawyer ain't no ones sloppy seconds, :wink1: so I could live with the GWTW scenario. But I don't like to think that far ahead. Just makes me aggravated. I just want this triangle to *go away*! One way or the other, just get it over with already. :disgust:

Perdue

07-20-2006, 12:57 AM

I think most of us would be very sad and disappointed if Jate happens. I sometimes get the feeling the other side would be very angry if Sawyer happened. I'm not sure why that would be, exactly, but speaking with my Jater friends, that's certainly the impression I get.

lisagwilkins

07-20-2006, 01:54 AM

I would love, love to join!! Please do tell me how! =)

you just did darlin'...let me echo our dear Fricks and give a welcome and a big ole HOWDY since that's what we Texans do...check out the first page for a list of the members and some other stuff we have too...

You also might want to check out the other outKaSt thread as well if you'd like to bone up a little...there some video and fan fic links in there and those are fun to read and watch, huh Fricks? hehehe

Again, welcome hon!

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

PS. Circle if you keep that avi up there much longer, I'm gonna have to buy a defibrilator!!! Every time I see it, my heart flutters...at least I think it's my heart...(oooh I'm going to hell for sure)

fricksgurl75

07-20-2006, 02:00 AM

Circle7

07-20-2006, 02:13 AM

PS. Circle if you keep that avi up there much longer, I'm gonna have to buy a defibrilator!!! Every time I see it, my heart flutters...at least I think it's my heart...(oooh I'm going to hell for sure)

Hee! See, see? It's the Bermuda Triangle. Sucks you in and never lets go. :biggrin:
And there are more. ;) http://apartment42.com/lost-avatars.html

fricksgurl75

07-20-2006, 02:25 AM

Hee! See, see? It's the Bermuda Triangle. Sucks you in and never lets go. :biggrin:
And there are more. ;) http://apartment42.com/lost-avatars.html

thanks for the link Circle7 cause i just borrowed one.... :biggrin:
and i do have a hard time looking away from yours...

addicted2much

07-20-2006, 05:02 AM

YAY! New thread.

I got my TV Guide for the week of July 24-30 and there is a card inside asking people to renew their subscription and the cover they are using to encourage people to re-subscribe is

KATE AND SAWYER from the May cover.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Josh Holloway .:hapybday: :hb2:

on the 26 of July, Lost is repeating Sawyer's episode from February . The only repeat I am even considering watching this summer.

Lindeloff about Sawyer for July 24-30 Tv Guide

" Sawyer is very much modeled on Han Solo, who was modeled on every great Western character , every outlaw who has to eventually defend the town. It got to the point last season when Sawyer was getting soft, like Han Solo did by the time "return of the Jedi" came around. So we had to get back to the outlaw Sawyer."

girlspy15

07-20-2006, 09:22 AM

Welcome to our new members!!!

OutKaSt #207: sarakat
OutKaSt #208: Drugal97

Very happy to have you both on deck. ;)

Circle, love the avi, thanks for the apartment42 link, I love that site. :)

And Wishing a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY to the man who makes all our hearts flutter and is one of the best parts of Skate, lol.

Josh Holloway!
:party: :party: :party:

Lindeloff about Sawyer for July 24-30 Tv Guide

" Sawyer is very much modeled on Han Solo, who was modeled on every great Western character , every outlaw who has to eventually defend the town. It got to the point last season when Sawyer was getting soft, like Han Solo did by the time "return of the Jedi" came around. So we had to get back to the outlaw Sawyer."

Yey a2m is back. :D We missed you girl. And I totally did get that western feeling with his new sheriff in town speech in TLC. He even strode of with his gun slung over his shoulder, and the last person to watch him walk away was, guess who? Yep, none other than Miss Kate. Looking all angry and ready to pounce him, but at the same time I think she was a little mystified and intrigued. ;)

Darbi

07-20-2006, 10:51 AM

Lindeloff about Sawyer for July 24-30 Tv Guide

" Sawyer is very much modeled on Han Solo, who was modeled on every great Western character , every outlaw who has to eventually defend the town. It got to the point last season when Sawyer was getting soft, like Han Solo did by the time "return of the Jedi" came around. So we had to get back to the outlaw Sawyer."

Yet the "Sheriff" speech ended up being a wash because Sawyer basically became comic relief for the rest of the season. Oh, wait...two people did die behind getting one of the guns he wasn't supposed to have in the first place. Yeah, so I guess that can be considered Sawyer going outlawish again, right? (shrug) Blasted rebel.

luv me_ luv lost

07-20-2006, 11:47 AM

I could remember ages ago i read on the other ship that everyone was saying who they thought Sawyer was talking about when he said ' I love her' in WKD, well i just brought the first part of season 2 and on WKD it has a summary and it says

The two groups of survivors are united at last. Kate has a strange sighting while gathering food. A delirious Sawyer confesses his feelings for Kate. After Shannon's funeral, Jack and Locke return to the hatch to find the clock dangerously close to zero. Michael makes a discovery that may hold the key to getting his son back.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

fricksgurl75

07-20-2006, 01:12 PM

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay a2m is back :clap:
said this on Dimples but i'll say it here too...
happy birthday Josh :hb2:

thanks for... well.... being you :biggrin:

A delirious Sawyer confesses his feelings for Kate.

was there ever any doubt? :rolleyes:

and i've said this before but as far as i'm concerned Han Solo was way cooler and way hotter than Luke. Give me a sarcastic, gun toting rogue any day of the week. And you know it's funny but i noticed something once. In HOTRS when Sawyer's tallking to Kate, she asked him what HE was gonna do and he says "well that's the trick isn't it?'
Han Solo says that exact same line in Star Wars. :biggrin: Just a little observation....

losttvfan

07-20-2006, 01:13 PM

Anything but A Tale of Two Cities, or Buffy.

I refuse to watch Sawyer be the unrequited love who redeems himself at the end by throwing himself on the proverbial hand grenade of love so that his hottie true love can have a normal life or be with her 'fated' other boyfriend.

:shesaid: I have always worried about TPTB making a "hero" out of Sawyer at the last minute by sacrificing his life to save either Kate or Jack. Don't want to see it, been there done that!

It’s as big a cliché as the hero gets the girl fairytale. I expect something more original, more powerful, more thought provoking from Lost. These character have layers and part of the drama of watching Lost isn’t just the mystery of the Island but seeing the characters react to each other and to the circumstances, seeing them deal with their pasts, learn and grown from the experiences.

Sawyer’s appeal is the depth of his pain, his struggle to overcome his fear of loving or being loved, and the possible redemption he could find on the Island. I for one want to see him live though that struggle and find happiness.

:crybaby: My DSL service is down, hope you guys missed me. Should be fix tomorrow, in the meantime I got on at work to check out the new digs (we need a new drink with an "explosive or water" theme) and the latest conversations. Oh and there are new videos I can't watch.....a pox on my DSL provider!

I will have to think about where I would like to see the Jack character to go (except maybe away:rolleyes: ).

Darbi

07-20-2006, 01:57 PM

:shesaid: I have always worried about TPTB making a "hero" out of Sawyer at the last minute by sacrificing his life to save either Kate or Jack. Don't want to see it, been there done that!

It’s as big a cliché as the hero gets the girl fairytale. I expect something more original, more powerful, more thought provoking from Lost. These character have layers and part of the drama of watching Lost isn’t just the mystery of the Island but seeing the characters react to each other and to the circumstances, seeing them deal with their pasts, learn and grown from the experiences.

Sawyer’s appeal is the depth of his pain, his struggle to overcome his fear of loving or being loved, and the possible redemption he could find on the Island. I for one want to see him live though that struggle and find happiness.

:shesaid: Amen to this.

fricksgurl75

07-20-2006, 02:00 PM

i'm with you darbi amen to that *holds the sign with Darbi*

anyways thought i'd bring this over, i posted it on Dimples too, in honor of Josh's birthday someone made a vid for him and here it is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkK1yBmW0Wo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkK1yBmW0Wo)

:biggrin:

joemamaah

07-20-2006, 02:49 PM

Zoriah

07-20-2006, 02:52 PM

A delirious Sawyer confesses his feelings for Kate

There you have it, the PTB have finally confirmed what many of us knew/suspected all along. :biggrin:

Darbi

07-20-2006, 02:55 PM

Perdue

07-20-2006, 02:56 PM

But do Kate's affections lie with Jack? That is THE question.

lisagwilkins

07-20-2006, 03:25 PM

they sure are lisa :biggrin: i love me some vids.

working on a few things myself right now.. seeing as how i have the next 2 days off and all.. so i might have a little something for you guys soon.

*goes off to work on her Skate projects* :biggrin:

I'm working on a couple my self there darlin'.

Hee! See, see? It's the Bermuda Triangle. Sucks you in and never lets go. :biggrin:
And there are more. ;) http://apartment42.com/lost-avatars.html

Lostinsandwich and I actually analyzed the picture of him that has the shirt open all the way in the front...it was the one that goes with the avi that says "built Ford tough", if y'all have seen that one...anyway she and I picked our favorites, uhem, spots, and mine was the one in the right hand corner of the "bermuda triangle"....hehehehe...yep, going to hell for my dirty thoughts for sure...:biggrin:

Okay, this is going to seem like a weird question but I'm curious...and bored, and well, just humor me. :blush:

If no potential romantic relationships had been established in the Pilot episode between Kate/Sawyer and Jack, would you still want the relationship between S/K to develop? Or do you think you would be pulling for Jack and Kate?

Well considering the fact that I didn't even start watching the show until Conf. Man, then I didn't know of anything at all except Skate...so as far as I was concerned there was nothing else to start with...how's that for having a one track mind....

Yea A2M...missed you so much darlin...

Losttvfan, check your pm's hon...

And of course the most important thing today...

:hapybday: :hb2: Happy Birthday Josh :bdaygrin: :party:

Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and you got born...

Talk about a good day!!!!

And finally, one more reason to celebrate...

I got a new job!!!! Assoicate Counsel for a law firm...I start Monday...so all is well...now I'm off to my nail appointment...

Huggs y'all,
Lisa

fricksgurl75

07-20-2006, 03:38 PM

If no potential romantic relationships had been established in the Pilot episode between Kate/Sawyer and Jack, would you still want the relationship between S/K to develop? Or do you think you would be pulling for Jack and Kate?

Well i really wasn't into the couples aspect of the show until CM so like lisa i'd have to say no as far as J/K are concerned on that one.

anyway she and I picked our favorites, uhem, spots, and mine was the one in the right hand corner of the "bermuda triangle"....hehehehe...yep, going to hell for my dirty thoughts for sure...:biggrin:

lisa your not the only one goin to hell here, trust me on that, cause i've studied several pictures of him and picked out my favorite spots. There are a quite a few... so i think i speak for all of us when i say that we are going in as a group, which is probably why it's so hot in here :naughty:

and congrats on your new job :clapping:

Perdue

07-20-2006, 03:52 PM

Or do you think you would be pulling for Jack and Kate?
No, I wouldn't be. I honestly don't think that Jack, the surgeon, and Kate, the crimimal, could ever truly be happy together. I think they are interesting but that's as far as it goes. It there were no Sawyer, I think I would have liked to see Jack and Ana Lucia together.

honeypoppy0212

07-20-2006, 04:05 PM

lisagwilkins

07-20-2006, 05:37 PM

Well i really wasn't into the couples aspect of the show until CM so like lisa i'd have to say no as far as J/K are concerned on that one.

lisa your not the only one goin to hell here, trust me on that, cause i've studied several pictures of him and picked out my favorite spots. There are a quite a few... so i think i speak for all of us when i say that we are going in as a group, which is probably why it's so hot in here :naughty:

and congrats on your new job :clapping:

I used to have a bumper sticker on my car that said "Heaven won't take me and Hell's afraid I'll take over." Hmmm, sounds like a few outkasters I know...:biggrin:

Thanks Fricks and Honey...I'm very excited except that for a while I'll have to do my posting in the evening when I get home...:sob:

at least until I find a way to do it when nobody's lookin'...hehehe

Huggs ya'll,
Lisa

lyly ford

07-20-2006, 06:07 PM

girlspy15

07-20-2006, 06:25 PM

Okay, this is going to seem like a weird question but I'm curious...and bored, and well, just humor me. :blush:

If no potential romantic relationships had been established in the Pilot episode between Kate/Sawyer and Jack, would you still want the relationship between S/K to develop? Or do you think you would be pulling for Jack and Kate? I dont think I was rooting for Kate and Sawyer really till Confidence Man. It was too early to make any assumptions at that point. I wasnt gung ho for Kate and Jack, but thought they would be the designated lead couple, the hero and his heroine, so I didnt really think anything of it. Until we got to know the characters a little better, I did not see their true potential. Jate definately didnt stimulate me like Skate did.

Thanks for the spoilers lyly, very interesting. :)

lyly ford

07-20-2006, 06:31 PM

yayyyyy ^^ I know I can't wait to see her :biggrin:

Save The Humans

07-20-2006, 06:31 PM

Why isn't it October 4 yet? :unhappy:

lyly ford

07-20-2006, 06:41 PM

Yeah just sad new:frown:
I love your ava^^ it's my desdes ^^:biggrin:

Save The Humans

07-20-2006, 06:44 PM

Yeah, with the words to "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" next to him!

I :heart: my Desmond avi! :biggrin:

halfrek

07-20-2006, 06:44 PM

I don't know if you know it but I posted it ^^ not really skate, but it's big spoiler but it's about love triangle read it :jump: :ntworthy: It's OUR day ^^

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lyly ford

07-20-2006, 06:48 PM

sorry:shy:

Perdue

07-20-2006, 06:48 PM

Woo Hoo!

MidnightSawyerfan

07-20-2006, 07:50 PM

First & foremost, Happy Birthday Josh! :bdaygrin: Gonna celebrate your birthdate now with a nice glass of vino!! :)

Okay, this is going to seem like a weird question but I'm curious...and bored, and well, just humor me. :blush:

If no potential romantic relationships had been established in the Pilot episode between Kate/Sawyer and Jack, would you still want the relationship between S/K to develop? Or do you think you would be pulling for Jack and Kate?

If I had thought about it, I would have thought that Jack & Kate were being set up at the beginning to be the potential 'couple' but again, it wasn't until I saw Sawyer & Kate on screen together & their great 'connection' with each other that I even thought about whom I wanted to get together romantically! My obsession with this & with Lost began from there ;)

Lyly - that's great news hopefully for Skate in your spoiler, both now & in the long-term too - fingers crossed :biggrin:

Lisa - congratulations & best of luck in your new job!

lisagwilkins

07-21-2006, 03:14 PM

Lisa - congratulations & best of luck in your new job!

Thank you hon, I'm really excited about it...

Okay outkasters...where is everybody today? It's just way to quiet in this place...Did we all celebrate Josh's birthday too much?

Perdue, would you please give us your take on the strategically place fence post that is in the banana scene in the hunting party. Seein' as you're the resident symbolism expert, I thought you might have a take on it. I've so come to love that fence post...hehehe...:biggrin:

So, how about the question of the day...Here goes...

What exactly do you think is the purpose for the others keeping Sawyer and Kate? I'm not really going to focus on Jack in this question, though he is a part of it. But my main interest is why they want Sawyer and Kate. So what do you think?

There are so many possibilities and obviously we won't know until sometime after the 4th of October, but I believe it has something to do with their relationship and the fact they might need Kate to keep Sawyer and Jack in line. Because we all know, Sawyer's not going to anything that's going to get Kate hurt. If he was alone, it wouldn't matter but if she's there he'll do whatever they want him to do, if he thinks it'll keep her alive and safe.

Just my thoughts...

Huggs,
Lisa

Perdue

07-21-2006, 03:38 PM

girlspy15

07-21-2006, 04:43 PM

What exactly do you think is the purpose for the others keeping Sawyer and Kate? I'm not really going to focus on Jack in this question, though he is a part of it. But my main interest is why they want Sawyer and Kate. So what do you think?

Great question Lisa ;). I like your answer too. I think overall those 3 are there cause they provoke some threat to the stability of the Others, their society, and how things are run on that island. I do however like the theory fricks presented in her latest chapter of her new fan fict, and I will spoiler font for those of you who havent read, but...

It would be interesting if the others took J/K/S so the rest of the camp would be left open for attack. I could see something like that happening. Take away the people who present the greatest threat for getting the troops riled up, or the people who can see a con coming a mile away (Sawyer) and see what happens to the rest of the camp when those assets are taken out of the equation.

Im sure there are alot of potential theories that could work with this. I just happen to like those two the most. :)

FrecklesLuvsCowboy

07-21-2006, 04:46 PM

Save The Humans

07-21-2006, 04:54 PM

Or, taking the idea of Other Others being on the Island, maybe Our Others didn't want them taking THESE lostaways. Sure, losing all those lab rats would be a pity--but They obviously VALUE J/J/K--as lab rats, or Tribe Members, or both.

I have a sneaking suspicion They know that Sayid, Locke, Eko, and Desmond would follow the group--and they value those four, too.

In short, They want the lostaways They want the MOST with Them! That entails getting those lostaways away from Beach Camp, where those in residence are sitting ducks (as well as lab rats)!

Of course, They could be setting up Their OWN attack on Beach Camp, too. They don't want another "Eko incident," so They'd rather have "the strong ones" NOT at Beach Camp, but already in Their clutches! :eek:

lisagwilkins

07-21-2006, 04:54 PM

I gotta go back and look at that scene. Which episode are we talking about? I'm a little distracted. It's 100 here and in my part of the world, it NEVER gets that hot so we are all combating heat stroke and buying fans because no one has ac.

It's The Hunting Party, at the very beginning...when Kate pulls Sawyer up and he says thanks....that's also the part when my heart stops beating...

It's always 100 degrees here darlin, I'm in Houston

Whoa, GS, I never thought of that idea before but I bet you and Fricks are right...I be that's exactly what they're thinkin'.

Hello nice ppl!! This is my first post EVER on this site, and I saw fitting that I post it on the Skaters thread being as I'm proud to be one. I'm still getting used to the features and navigating around the boards (I don't even have a pic) well I'll get better...I'm hoping to make friends around here :smile:

Welcome hon...we're very glad you're here and I think it's great that you made the Skate Ship your first post...I let girlspy know that you're hear so she'll give you a number soon...check out the first page of the thread for stuff we have and do...

Also you might want to check out the Avitar Gallery and find you one if you like...

Welcome Aboard, FrecklesLuvsCowboy!!!!

Huggs,
Lisa

girlspy15

07-21-2006, 05:09 PM

Hello nice ppl!! This is my first post EVER on this site, and I saw fitting that I post it on the Skaters thread being as I'm proud to be one. I'm still getting used to the features and navigating around the boards (I don't even have a pic) well I'll get better...I'm hoping to make friends around here :smile:

Welcome FrecklesLuvsCowboy, and I think I recognize you from over on abc right? ;) Very happy to have you aboard. Your Outkast Member # 209.:)

MidnightSawyerfan

07-21-2006, 07:39 PM

So, how about the question of the day...Here goes...

What exactly do you think is the purpose for the others keeping Sawyer and Kate? I'm not really going to focus on Jack in this question, though he is a part of it. But my main interest is why they want Sawyer and Kate. So what do you think?

There are so many possibilities and obviously we won't know until sometime after the 4th of October, but I believe it has something to do with their relationship and the fact they might need Kate to keep Sawyer and Jack in line. Because we all know, Sawyer's not going to anything that's going to get Kate hurt. If he was alone, it wouldn't matter but if she's there he'll do whatever they want him to do, if he thinks it'll keep her alive and safe.

Just my thoughts...

Huggs,
Lisa

That's a tough question Lisa! They could well come up with an answer to this which hasn't even been thought of here & there are always so many good ideas & thoughts here too!
Hmmm.... your idea of Kate being there to keep the other two in line is good. As well as Sawyer not going to do anything to get Kate hurt, I don't think Kate would want to do anything to risk getting Sawyer (or Jack) hurt either. So, it may be to play them all off one another.
Although they could be planning to attack the others at the beach too, I wonder - as far as we know, the Others don't know Sayid is on their trail too (sorry if I'm wrong about this, I'm only going to see the last hour of the finale this coming Monday) & Locke & Jin are also there too - they may not quite have the same force as Jack, Sawyer & Kate would have, but they'd still put up quite a decent fight I think!
It will be interesting anyways I'm sure to see how it will all pan out....

To FrecklesluvsCowboy & all the newbies here (welcome too!), please go & vote for Skate here -
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19602 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=19602)

We only need another 6 people to vote to just bypass the Jate votes - 398 for Skate & 403 for Jate right now.

fricksgurl75

07-21-2006, 09:14 PM

Great question Lisa ;). I like your answer too. I think overall those 3 are there cause they provoke some threat to the stability of the Others, their society, and how things are run on that island. I do however like the theory fricks presented in her latest chapter of her new fan fict, and I will spoiler font for those of you who havent read, but...

It would be interesting if the others took J/K/S so the rest of the camp would be left open for attack. I could see something like that happening. Take away the people who present the greatest threat for getting the troops riled up, or the people who can see a con coming a mile away (Sawyer) and see what happens to the rest of the camp when those assets are taken out of the equation.

Im sure there are alot of potential theories that could work with this. I just happen to like those two the most. :)

:eek2: wow girlspy i'm flattered you'd use my fic as example, i think as far the questioon goes, i'm going with the idea that they want Jack and Sawyer for some reason and need Kate for leverage. Cause they are aware of how both feel about her, and Sawyer made it patently obvious with the 'if you harm one hair on her head' line. I doubt that went unnoticed.. But i also think your theory is pretty close to the mark. It reallly makes the most sense.

And yes lisa i think we all had too many tentbangers last night :biggrin:

and to our newest member frecklesluvscowboy :hug: i hope i got that right hehehehe

losttvfan

07-21-2006, 10:55 PM

:badwords: OMG, I have missed so much while my DSL was messed up. I have been in internet hell and I couldn’t pass GO or collect my $200.

Fricksgurl75: I missed the Josh's birthday celebration but watching your video made up for it!

lisawilkins: Great news about the new job! Going to hell huh (oh yeah, count me in ‘cause I know I have spent way to much time “triangle gazing”). Since I live in Houston too can’t see how it could be much hotter there than here. If we are going as a group we might as well plan ahead. I volunteer to bring the margaritas? Skaters know how to party.

lyly ford: This quote is a little bit encouraging….Ana Lucia didn’t work; maybe they are going to try again.

“Are we talking Jack and Kate? Cuse: I think actually one of these new female characters is going to be a romantic interest, possibly for Jack.”

girlspy15: I am not even sure TPTB planned the Kate Sawyer relationship. IMO it could have developed because of the amazing chemistry Josh and Evi have on the screen….they just light each other up.

I guess I am Skate all the way because I still believe Kate is just A girl to Jack (and he could fall for someone else). But I think Kate is THE girl for Sawyer and if not her he won’t let himself fall that hard again. OK, hopeless romantic little me hangs her head.

FrecklesLuvsCowboy: Welcome…….you are going to love it here, it is always fun and we have some deep “Skate” conversations. Some pretty shallow ones as well but you can blame that on a certain very hot cowboy! I came over here from the ABC forum too.

MidnightSawyerfan: I checked the poll a few minutes ago—WOW it is getting close! A few more votes will tip it our way. Glad you posted the link again.

:wub: OK, I’ve caught up……………….damn good to be back.

Perdue

07-22-2006, 01:09 AM

hopeless romantic little me hangs her head.

Join the crowd.

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 01:31 AM

Whoo hoo!!!

losttvfan, glad you're back darlin...we missed you...

I'm about to go to bed in a little bit...can't seem to get that strategically placed fence post in The Hunting Party off my mind...:biggrin:

hehehehe

Huggs,
Lisa

fricksgurl75

07-22-2006, 01:50 AM

alright um lisa what is it about the fence post? i guess i'm gonna have to rewatch this :biggrin: *wonders if she missed something here*

and losttvfan nice to have you back.

I'm still wondering....

If what we hear is correct and Jacks supposed to be by himself, then where are Sawyer and Kate may i ask? are they together, cause i'm of the mind that would be very interesting, could get alot hashed out that way :biggrin:

anyway just a bit of spectulation teeeeheee

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 02:03 AM

Alrighty my dear Fricks...

go back and watch the banana scene in The Hunting Party, when Kate threw the banana at him...notice the location of the fence post to his left...Honeypoppy noticed it and told me and girlspy about it, and she's right...I just love that fence post...:biggrin:

and as for your spoiler, I'm wondering that same thing.

Huggs,
Lisa

fricksgurl75

07-22-2006, 02:21 AM

losttvfan

07-22-2006, 09:42 AM

grrrrrrrrrrr this is why i want Yahoo, so i can hear about these things earlier :mad:
ok i just watched and i see what you mean now.:eek2:.. i have been enlighteend....
wonder about the symbolism in that.. as if that scene needed anymore if you catch my drift :naughty: i that fence post too....

the mind wanders this late at night, we are all definatly goin to hell here, and losttvfan you can bring the marguaritas... i'll bring the marshmellows...:roflmao:

and yes i think we are all gonna wondering about the potential with THAT spoiler

:naughty: OK I have to re-watch that scene too, OMG we are all fence post viewing now! Can anyone say s'mores and served in hell too. Hell is look better and better.

It is going to be a LONG summer if this speculation keeps up...Kate and Sawyer alone together...time for a little chat about just exactly how Sawyer "lost his gun"? :pissed:

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 11:09 AM

Oh I make a killer queso dip so I'll bring that and some chips...we don't have to worry about a hot plate either, I'm sure it'll stay warm.

I mentioned to Perdue yesterday about the symbolism so I'm sure our resident symbolism expert will give us a take on it sometime soon.

I'm off to do my regular Saturday errands. See ya'll later today...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

PS. Fricks and Losttvfan, y'all just gotta get yahoo...Honey, Girlspy and I are having all sorts of stimulting conversations...hehehe

Perdue

07-22-2006, 01:07 PM

losttvfan

07-22-2006, 01:53 PM

;)

PS. Fricks and Losttvfan, y'all just gotta get yahoo...Honey, Girlspy and I are having all sorts of stimulting conversations...hehehe

:group: Raises hand, wants to play! Lisa, yahoo is my home email provider..and stimulating conversation, well you know if it involves Sawyer and stimulating anything that I want in! Especially when tagged "hehehe". Tell me more, tell me where, tell me how.

Chips and dip, oh my -- hell is getting better and better. BTW I loved your quote a few pages back that "heaven won't have you and hell is afraid you'll take over". Do you think the hell-bound Skaters could just run the place our way? Just imagine how we would decorate!

Darbi

07-22-2006, 02:04 PM

So, we're all going to hell for a party, huh? I brought Corona's...anyone want one? ;)

fricksgurl75

07-22-2006, 03:29 PM

*throws a mental fit* :taz: i want Yahoo!!!!!!!
i love stimulating conversations!! esp about Sawyer :naughty: *gets to wrok on that*

and darbi Coronas are good just need some lemons.

and hey we won't have to worry about having a grill either, plenty of fire around :biggrin:

girlspy15

07-22-2006, 03:59 PM

I'm sort of distracted with some personal issues at the moment, but as soon as I can I will view that section and give you some input. But yes, fence posts are certainly symbolic in the right places. LOL
100%
And, I still don't own Season 1 DVD's so that complicates things a bit. But if someone has a link to that clip I could review it sooner.

Perdue, I think this may be the scene in question. First one on the page. ;)
http://www.josh-holloway.com/lost/season2/211.php
HTH, and nice new avi. Very appropriate for this show. :)

I like your siggy line too fricks, "Am I too lost to be saved?" I recognize the song from Evanescence. Ofcourse fab avi too. ;)

So whats all this talk about hell? Arent we already there? lol. Maybe I just jumped the bandwagon on that one a little early :). Might as well party it up though right? I got the chips and salsa. :D

Perdue

07-22-2006, 04:48 PM

Darbi

07-22-2006, 05:52 PM

With regard to the fence post, I think it's exactly what all of you are thinking it is. LOL. It's too well placed in the scene to have been a mistake or an oversight and if it weren't intentional, they would have reshot, I'm sure. Besides, the fence (a masculine symbol if ever there was one in this context) is seen coming up out the water, which is always a female symbol.

Along with Sawyer's line, there are nicer ways to wake a man up and knowing how some men er, wake up, I think it was deliberately placed to highten the sexual aspects of that scene.

Then add Kate's tossing a banana for heaven's sake as well! They might as well have come right out and shouted this was intended to be a scene with a great deal of sexuality in it.

In the greater scheme of things, it may be saying that all there is between Sawyer and Kate is sex, not true love. And it could just be one of the little jokes TPTB like playing but in any event, the sexual symbolism could hardly be more obvious.

And yes, if it made you get out the cold cloth for your feverish brow, it was meant to, I'm sure.

Funny. I just posted the caps of the end of that scene when Kate helps Sawyer up over on FF and they're all molesting one another with their eyes. :blshing1: Hot.

Yeah, the phallic objects were popping up all over the place in that scene. Literally. Can't really blame them...I mean, look at them. They're insanely hot. Now, whether that's a subtle message from TPTB indicating S/K's relationship will only be sexual, who knows. Hope that's not the case. It would be such a disappointment. The characters, imo, have more going on individually and together than a steamy sexual relationship.

Perdue

07-22-2006, 06:18 PM

It would be interesting (in my spare time!) to look at what symbols predominate when Kate and Sawyer are together and what predominate when Jack and Kate are together.

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 06:37 PM

:group: Raises hand, wants to play! Lisa, yahoo is my home email provider..and stimulating conversation, well you know if it involves Sawyer and stimulating anything that I want in! Especially when tagged "hehehe". Tell me more, tell me where, tell me how.

Chips and dip, oh my -- hell is getting better and better. BTW I loved your quote a few pages back that "heaven won't have you and hell is afraid you'll take over". Do you think the hell-bound Skaters could just run the place our way? Just imagine how we would decorate!

hey hon, PM me and I'll give you my yahoo ID...I have mine on in the evenings...don't know if I have it at the new job yet...probably better if I don't...hehehe...but right now yahoo's completely down.

So, we're all going to hell for a party, huh? I brought Corona's...anyone want one? ;)

sure, Darbi, I love Corona, that's my favorite. I like mine lemon or lime...either one is fine with me....those little Coronita's are good too, the little bitty ones.

*throws a mental fit* :taz: i want Yahoo!!!!!!!
i love stimulating conversations!! esp about Sawyer :naughty: *gets to wrok on that*

and darbi Coronas are good just need some lemons.

and hey we won't have to worry about having a grill either, plenty of fire around :biggrin:

Awww, Fricks darlin, I sure hope you get it soon...it's not the same without you.

It would be interesting (in my spare time!) to look at what symbols predominate when Kate and Sawyer are together and what predominate when Jack and Kate are together.

now see, I'd like to know that too...I never really thought about it.

Thanks Perdue for your take on the fence. I was pretty much dead certain about the banana, not to mention the way he holds it, but it took our own Honeypoppy to make mention of the fence and make me notice it...can't believe my dirty mind missed that one.

Also when you ever do get the Season 1 DVD's go back and watch the scene in Walkabout, Episode 4, where the boars are rummaging through the fuselage, you'll see Jack walk past Kate with a tiny little pen light flashlight that he shows her, not 5 seconds later Sawyer will walk past her with a Q-beam...:bigrinan:

I noticed it and told my Mom about it and then when we watched that epi with the director's comments, Damon and JJ talk about how it was subtle and they hoped people noticed it.

Same thing in Tabula Rasa, Episode 3 Season 1, Jack's holding his little penlight flashlight looking for medicine and Sawyer puts the q-beam up to his chin and goes "boo" at Jack. :harhar1:

So those are definately worth seeing.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

lyly ford

07-22-2006, 06:55 PM

I don't know if you know it but Carlton Cuse said on coming con :

Kate will definitely "make her choice" within the first six eps of the season and Plus with new romance for Jack...I think it's good time for skate romance

:jump: :jump1:

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 07:55 PM

OMG, Lyly, where did you find that...SQUEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

lyly ford

07-22-2006, 08:27 PM

on Lost Forum Skater comes back on coming con and said that, I've a link if you want ;)

Perdue

07-22-2006, 09:21 PM

Well, we do need to remember that they like to play games with us. So it could just be a set-up for Jate, too, she says trying not to be too excited lest her hopes be dashed.

girlspy15

07-22-2006, 09:36 PM

Well, we do need to remember that they like to play games with us. So it could just be a set-up for Jate, too, she says trying not to be too excited lest her hopes be dashed.

Yeah, I agree Perdue. Id love for that to happen, and I think we could finally get our wish to break up the triangle,but the pessimist in me is saying...

its Jack.

Atleast that way if Im wrong Ill be pleasantly surprised. :)

Save The Humans

07-22-2006, 09:41 PM

It continues to be sooooo long until October 4! :unhappy:

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 09:56 PM

Yeah, I agree Perdue. Id love for that to happen, and I think we could finally get our wish to break up the triangle,but the pessimist in me is saying...

its Jack.

Atleast that way if Im wrong Ill be pleasantly surprised. :)

I'm afraid I'm going to have to stay with my optimism...since I'm such a romantic, I kind of feel like I have to.

And what bonehead decided to put a Miami Vice movie on TV tonight...OMG, pastels and 80's music...puh-leez!!!! WTF is that about?? :rant:

See I get like this when yahoo's down...

Huggs,
Lisa

Circle7

07-22-2006, 10:08 PM

And what bonehead decided to put a Miami Vice movie on TV tonight...OMG, pastels and 80's music...puh-leez!!!! WTF is that about?? :rant:

Hey! Where's the lurv for Vice, people?! Best show of the 80's. Little Donny Johnson. *swoon* Loafers without socks. *swoon* Elvis the alligator! Ah, good times. :biggrin:

About the Comic Con stuff: I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

MidnightSawyerfan

07-22-2006, 10:16 PM

Thanks Perdue for your take on the fence. I was pretty much dead certain about the banana, not to mention the way he holds it, but it took our own Honeypoppy to make mention of the fence and make me notice it...can't believe my dirty mind missed that one.

Also when you ever do get the Season 1 DVD's go back and watch the scene in Walkabout, Episode 4, where the boars are rummaging through the fuselage, you'll see Jack walk past Kate with a tiny little pen light flashlight that he shows her, not 5 seconds later Sawyer will walk past her with a Q-beam...:bigrinan:

I noticed it and told my Mom about it and then when we watched that epi with the director's comments, Damon and JJ talk about how it was subtle and they hoped people noticed it.

Same thing in Tabula Rasa, Episode 3 Season 1, Jack's holding his little penlight flashlight looking for medicine and Sawyer puts the q-beam up to his chin and goes "boo" at Jack. :harhar1:

So those are definately worth seeing.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Definitely gonna be re-watching those epis tomorrow, I did miss that with the torchlights - thats one of the things I love about Lost though - always miss something first time around & pick up on the 'little' things when I watch again! Have to see what this 'fence' thing is you're all talking about too! :confused:

I have to say this - y'all keep up my Skate spirits here :biggrin: - I love reading everyone's take on things related to Skate - otherwise I'd be going completely mental waiting for next season! ;)

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 10:58 PM

Hey! Where's the lurv for Vice, people?! Best show of the 80's. Little Donny Johnson. *swoon* Loafers without socks. *swoon* Elvis the alligator! Ah, good times. :biggrin:

About the Comic Con stuff: I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

Perhaps, I was a bit hasty...I guess MV isn't that bad...but then again I just loved Moonlighting too...so who am I to say...now, of course, if we were talking about Skate Vice or Skatelighting, I would imagine I'd feel differently...

Chapter 16 is coming folks...just not here yet...but hold on, think back during the "war" are about to get a little scary...

Huggs,
Lisa

losttvfan

07-22-2006, 11:29 PM

:rolleyes: Perdue: Once again you gave us a lot to think about….I know I will be paying more attention to the symbolism that shows up in many of the Lost scenes! I hope you do get a chance to see what the symbolism looks like when Jack and Kate are interacting on screen.

:biggrin: Girlspy15: Thanks for the link, it’s hard to remember the whole scene but seeing is, well seeing and I want to say WOW. I also found it interesting where Sawyer’s hands are and BTW nice hands (is there any part of this guy that isn’t damn fine?).

:crush: “I mean, look at them. They're insanely hot.” Darbi: Agreed! I couldn’t believe the way they are looking at each other and what woman could resist the voice Sawyer uses to say “thanks” – well I had to watch that scene more than once (the road to hell is paved with…).

:p Lisa: Are we using flashlights comparisons instead of rulers or is that just my dirty mind? Can’t wait to see what Perdue makes of that one!

:heart: lyly ford: OMG what a spoiler, I am going to choose to believe that one at least for today…puts a smile on my face and a song in my little romantic heart.

:teehee: MidnightSawyerfan: LOL fence posting watching is our new passion and now we have to check out the size the guys – flashlights! Tough job but someone has to do it!

NEWS: Ravenmoon has a new chapter of Just One Night posted!

lisagwilkins

07-22-2006, 11:52 PM

:p Lisa: Are we using flashlights comparisons instead of rulers or is that just my dirty mind? Can’t wait to see what Perdue makes of that one!

Oh yea, that reminds me of the ruler reference that Kate made during the poker game...

Okay folks, Chapter 17 of the civil story is up...

I hope you like it.

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Fuselage_Fiction/index.php?showforum=16

Huggs,
Lisa

Save The Humans

07-23-2006, 12:29 AM

:eek1:!!!!

But this is a rousing good yarn, Lisa!

fricksgurl75

07-23-2006, 01:56 AM

lyly ford

07-23-2006, 03:29 AM

Personally I don't think
that kate will choose a type to go to see another when that isn't appropriate to him, Kate isn't a wind vane and I think that if it's implied completely in the relation, it will not have a sexual intercourse with another. I think that if skate occurs (and I believe in it) one will be able to consider skate as the couple of the series bus despite everything, they will succeed in having a beautiful history, they will be mutually helped to change and that it's a beautiful thing :) when I hears kate needs a relation with jack to understand that she likes sawyer, I don't think, I think that it's necessary that she sees jack such which is him and also that she understands that sawyer feels for her. remember BTR the look between them with the corner fire was so intense, it awaited something to remain but kate couldn't say to him after she wanted to be some and when there returns omg it's no word, she deals with him, it takes care and it is thanks to its love which it swallows the pillule (pillule that jack has evil to swallow lol) ^^

ETA : :rotflmao2: :biglaugh:
On dvd and epi wkd during commentary :
They also say what great chemistry the three of them all have (and Evie thought they were talking about chemistry between the horse, Sawyer and Kate! - She was like WTF?!? - then the other guys said 'No, between Sawyer, Jack and Kate').
:clapping: great evie, You understand the real triangle :rotflmao: :105:

Tarrish

07-23-2006, 05:07 AM

Hey all, love the new ship. I wanted to say welcome to all the new members since I've been gone. What's up? If you don't know me yet I hope you will be able to get to know me soon. I'm a bleeding heart Skater so we've already got something in common. :)

Skipping through some posts I saw the Han Solo stuff. I've always said Sawyer reminded me of Han, and I love when I read it in the press. Knowing that Damon modeled him after Han just made my heart leap. (found that out during the Lost con, and he also mentioned Jack was his Luke..hehehe) There are more then a few lines they actually share between Lost/ Star Wars. People are worried that Sawyer might be used as the dying hero to save Kate so she can end up with Jack. It didn't happen in Star Wars, and I'm holding on to the hope that they won't do that to us here. I know these writers like big shockers (ie: death), but Skate is something way to special to throw to the dogs. It just wouldn't be right.

I'm glad you're still around a2m! **hugs** On your question, I never really bought into the whole Jack and Kate business. From the start I figured the writers were trying to pair them together, but it just didn't click for me. When Sawyer entered the fray he made so much sense. I saw the triangle and I choose. Sawyer was a yes when Jack never was.

Hope everyone is well, and I'm so glad we've made it to ship #5. Love ya guys, and thanks for making this for us GS. You're a great pal.

losttvfan

07-23-2006, 09:05 AM

omg that is a great spoiler but we've been burned so much, I want to be posive here but.. it's hard. God the season one come soon enought for.:hissy: i'm goin crazy here, i need to know one way or another. It's killing me.

And now we are talking about the flashlights again....:biggrin: along with the fence posts.. :rotflmao: we are all going to hell and couldn't be happier. If that's hell then sign me up...

damn i missed alot, but now i got ALOT to think about:naughty:
*runs off to check out that scene again...* :devil2:

and ok guys i have fantastic news..... *drum roll please*

I now have Yahoo!! :w00t: I'm such a dork hehehe

:blushing: Well I for one had never noticed the difference in the size of the "flashlights". However I do remember Jack putting the "little" flashlight in his mouth while he was examining Michael's gunshot wound right outside the hatch door after the shootings. OMG, if Perdue can't find some symbolism in that I will be surprised!

:devil2:I can Yahoo too! OK Lisa, you are converting us all....to Yahoo, we are still headed for hell!

MidnightSawyerfan

07-23-2006, 09:18 AM

ETA : :rotflmao2: :biglaugh:
On dvd and epi wkd during commentary :
They also say what great chemistry the three of them all have (and Evie thought they were talking about chemistry between the horse, Sawyer and Kate! - She was like WTF?!? - then the other guys said 'No, between Sawyer, Jack and Kate').
:clapping: great evie, You understand the real triangle :rotflmao: :105:
:rotflmao2: Ooooh, I can't wait to get Season 2 DVDs!

Welcome back too Tarrish! Hope life is better for you these days!

Girls, your references to hell make it sound like heaven to me, I'm going too of course!

fricksgurl75

07-23-2006, 10:13 AM

welcome back Tarrish we missed you :hug:
glad your doing better, Outkasts isn't the same w/o you :biggrin:

you gotta stop bringin up the flashlights you really do, its killing me here.. i'll have to use the big ole maglight at work and people will just not understand whats so funny :biglaugh: :lol1:

and my favorite Sawyer/Han Solo line "That's the trick, ain't it?" both deliver it perftectly :biggrin:

Perdue

07-23-2006, 10:31 AM

Now now, not ALL symbols are, um, provocative! And sometimes a flashlight is just a flashlight. I don't recall the flashlight moments at all, but they may be from episodes I didn't see. I think I told you all that I came late to LOST and because of my life there are several episodes from the 2nd season I didn't get to see or only saw parts of. I have to admit I really liked having the episodes on line so that I could see the parts I missed when my life called me away!

But now a question: are there certain scenes with Kate and Jack that stand out in your mind? I still would like to see what TPTB have placed in those scenes.

girlspy15

07-23-2006, 10:44 AM

Lisa your last chapter was wonderful. :clap:

Tarrish, Im so happy to see you back here. I only hope I can do half as good a job as you did hosting this ship, lol.

And Im releived that we have so many optimistic Skaters, lol. Its very encouraging and I hope your right. ;)

But now a question: are there certain scenes with Kate and Jack that stand out in your mind? I still would like to see what TPTB have placed in those scenes.

Hehe, okay Perdue, Ill start you out on a tough one. The Jate kiss?

honey_lulu

07-23-2006, 11:03 AM

hello to all Skaters or OutKaSt,
It's nice to be here.Add me to your list please.I'm a hardcoce skater.well,I lurk a lot,don't post very much but your posts are cheering me up cause the jate thing happenin in S3 is depressin.:cry:

swyroholic

07-23-2006, 11:49 AM

luv me_ luv lost

07-23-2006, 12:41 PM

Welcome honey_lulu and swyroholic.:hug:
honey_lulu: the jate thing could be a rumour. hopefully.

ravenmoon

07-23-2006, 12:44 PM

WOW! That's amazing about what carlton said, about kate making her choice! Even if )god forbid) she chooses Jack, i for one, will be glad to see the love traingle dealt with, and for all three character to move to different places. You would have to say in some ways it lookd good for Skate because of the possible romantic interest for Jack, which according to spoilerfix, would be this Juliet character who is presumably an other, check it out on the website but the fact that it may look good for skate, by carlton telling us this, makes me bervous because he may be leading people off the trail.

Personally, I can't imagine what on earth is going to happen with those three, but to actually have Kate and sawyer together...oh my god, its almost too much that I ever hoped for! Hoppefully she will choose sawyer, because I think Jack cares deeply for her, but I don't think he loves her, ior if he does, he doesn't love her as deeply as sawyer. for jack i think he could go on to love other women. For sawyer, if he didn't get with kate, I can't imagine him get with anyone else. They have made a massive deal about what a big thing it is for sawyer to care about someone else, so if kate doesn't choose him and he eventually finds someone else...I just can't see it happening!

KMG

07-23-2006, 12:49 PM

:hypocrit: Count me in, please! Thanks.

Theodoruh

07-23-2006, 02:04 PM

Me too?!!!! please!

Perdue

07-23-2006, 02:06 PM

I have watched the Jate kiss and still haven't figured it out to my satisfaction, but it's so painful to watch, it's difficult to be detached. LOL.

I'm not very optomistic about Kate and Sawyer. In fact, if truth be known, I'm very pessimistic. It has been said that Kate makes her choice and also that Jack and Kate remain with the Others while Sawyer leaves. Which seems pretty clear to me that she chooses Jack. I just hope that the writers have something planned for Sawyer that doesn't turn him into a bitter, moping tragic figure shoved to the sidelines for the sake of Jate. If that happens, I'll turn into a bitter, moping figure!!

Theodoruh

07-23-2006, 02:10 PM

But now a question: are there certain scenes with Kate and Jack that stand out in your mind? I still would like to see what TPTB have placed in those scenes.

In the Jate kiss, she wasn't in her right mind. When she came to, she said sorry and RAN!

Perdue

07-23-2006, 02:19 PM

Hmmm...I wonder if there is any subtle hint in there that would indicate we are supposed to think she is out of her mind...or finally in her right mind? Hmmm....

joemamaah

07-23-2006, 03:54 PM

Hmmm...I wonder if there is any subtle hint in there that would indicate we are supposed to think she is out of her mind...or finally in her right mind? Hmmm....

Sure she was not feeling level-headed - she just heard Wayne's voice come outta Sawyer! She freaks and runs, leaving Sawyer alone. Jack sees Sawyer on the floor and demands to know where Kate went to. Without speaking, she plants one on Jack, wakes up from some trance-like state of mind, and takes off. Strange timing for such a passionate kiss - I don't think romance was exactly in the air.

Zoriah

07-23-2006, 04:32 PM

To be fair, Kate did speak to Jack. Jack was all 'wtf? what did you do to Sawyer' and she was like 'I'm sorry...I'm sorry I am not as good and perfect as you.', she tries to leave, and he grabs her, she struggles, he sorta restrains/hugs her and then she looks at him like 'maybe I can escape this madness with Jack?'....so she kisses him and then has a rude awakening, either 'I felt nothing', or 'It's like kissing my brother,' or 'Man, I made a mistake, Sawyer's the one I'm jonesing for'.....hehe take your pick. It's obvious that she ran at that moment because her attempt to feel better and escape through Jack FAILED.

I don't know how anyone can interpret it as 'ohmygod, I am so in love with you' - it doesn't work in the context of why she kissed him at that particular, and why she ran from him with that awful horrified look on her face. He was there for her, and she DIDN'T want him. Why else do you think he was confused and pissy with her for several episodes afterwards.

Ellis

07-23-2006, 07:05 PM

She takes a lover in the first six episodes.

As stated, check out the spoiler thread for solid proof.
TIME FOR THE SHIPS TO CRASH.

Save The Humans

07-23-2006, 07:11 PM

Methinks we'll get our answers in October and November, folks! :D

Theodoruh

07-23-2006, 07:57 PM

She takes a lover in the first six episodes.

As stated, check out the spoiler thread for solid proof.
TIME FOR THE SHIPS TO CRASH.

I can't imagine Jack as a lover.

girlspy15

07-23-2006, 08:13 PM

OMGsh, leave for a little while and we have a plethora of new conversation topics and 3 new members!!! :D

Welcome...

OutKaSt # 210: honey_lulu
OutKaSt # 211: swyroholic
OutKaSt # 212: Theodoruh

Were very happy to have you all here. Hope you all make yourselves at home. ;)

LOL, and I second that Theodoruh, lol. I cant see it either. Infact its quite disturbing.:p

Perdue

07-23-2006, 08:21 PM

I'm going to have to look at the kiss with Jack again and see if there are any symbolic representations that would indicate something more is happening. Certainly, if you read the Jater take on it it is significantly different than a Skater take. One side sees total passion for Jack; the other madness on Kate's part. I'm guessing that there is something else hidden there that would give a clearer picture. And I honestly don't know. I don't remember more than they were in the jungle. I'll have to check it out.

Theodoruh

07-23-2006, 08:25 PM

MidnightSawyerfan

07-23-2006, 08:27 PM

:teehee: MidnightSawyerfan: LOL fence posting watching is our new passion and now we have to check out the size the guys – flashlights! Tough job but someone has to do it!

OK, I feel really stupid 'cos I watched the banana scene again & I can't figure out what I'm missing in relation to this 'fence'! Please could someone enlighten me?! :confused:
Losttvfan - well I've done it i.e. checked out the flashlights.... Hilarious :msn-wink:, don't know why I didn't think about that one the first time I watched!

Lisa - great update to your fanfic!

fricksgurl75

07-23-2006, 08:38 PM

*looks at all the posts and tries to make sense of it*

waaaaaaaah?:eek2:

frist of all welcome new members :hug:

All these spoilers are killing me, i can't afford to let myself get too high about the good ones or too low about the "dum da dum dum DUM" ones.

Ok as far as the kisses are concerned, i don't get why some have to compare the 2 considering they took place under entirely different cirmcumstances here. And neither kiss was done under normal circumstances. As far as the Jate kiss, my interpreation there has stayed the same. She was losing it a bit there, and he comforted her, having to forcibly restrain her to do so. She was suffering from sleep depravation and was seeing things. I just remember her looking at him in wonder and then kissing him, she seemed to be into a bit but pulled back and looked terrified. Of what i don't know. I think she thought all the madness would go away if she kissed him or something, but it didn't and that's not to say she didn't want it, but that is was for the wrong reasons there. And the Skate kiss we have definatly covered here.ALOT

I found it interesting that she ran away from Sawyer initally (cause of the Wayne thing maybe, or cause she was scared of what she felt, or both who know) kinda then ran to Jack in a sense, and then ran away from Jack back to Sawyer and for the most part seemed happy after she confessed to him. It was almost like he was the one that helped make all that craziness go away. She seemed very happy around him until after the Con, but that's a post for a different day.

*wipes brow* wow that was a bit long winderd there LOL

Theodoruh

07-23-2006, 08:47 PM

OK, I feel really stupid 'cos I watched the banana scene again & I can't figure out what I'm missing in relation to this 'fence'! Please could someone enlighten me?! :confused:

I think, the fence-post in the background is kind of phallic looking. :eek:

eta: after thinking about it, I'd feel terrible if I was totally wrong and just let everyone in on how warped I am - sorry

Perdue

07-24-2006, 12:08 AM

I read the Jate thread and am now completely dishearted believing that Kate will indeed choose Jack.

I just hope that it doesn't mean Sawyer will become a bitter, pathetic villain because of it.
100%
But then is unusually hot in my part of the world and everyone I meet is cranky, testy and pessimistic.

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 01:39 AM

*hugs Perdue* Don't worry mate, I have faith that Sawyer will be portrayed as a sympathetic and complex character even if they do decide to force kack upon us and leave poor Sawyer in the lurch.

Uncannily, I mentioned on this thread that I hoped they wouldn't go the Tale of Two Cities route a while ago and imagine my surprise to find out that that is the name of the first bloody episode! :eek2: It really got me freaking out that we are going to see Sawyer decide to do something stupidly noble and Sydney Cartonish to help Jack and Kate escape at the end of the mini arc. Not die, but at least let himself be captured, or maybe even make a nasty deal with the Others (for example if they are pushing for conversion).

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 01:48 AM

ok i was just thinknig that myself... i don't want that, i really don't.

are you telling me the name of the first bloody episode is a take on 'A Tale of Two Cities' cause no, Sawyer doing something stupidly herioc for the sake of Jack and Kate makes want to crawl into the corner and suck my thumb LOL That would be too damn much.

This stuff is gonna kill me honest to God.

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 01:59 AM

Fricksgurl: No, all we know is that is the title of the episode. But think about it, the first title of the season, which sets the tone of the first run of eps, I believe. It might just be literally about the two 'cities' - The Losties Camp, and Otherville, or Jack's Phuket and Otherville etc - but I wouldn't put it past the writers to be referencing the dramatic themes of the novel as well. The dissolute good for nothing character taking the 'good guys' place at the guillotine at the end so that his love can have happiness. It may not follow things that closely, but I know that is what I think of when I think of that particular book, the tragedy of unrequited love and yet how it enables the 'despised' character to make one final gesture to redeem himself. *sigh* Knowing Lost, it won't play out exactly like that, and will have some surprises, but if they are going to pay homage... then I am going to be very nervous for Sawyer and his heart this first mini-arc. Since apparently Kate takes a lover or makes her choice, she seems to get something out of whatever happens.

Still, I believe that there is more true emotional connection, understanding and mutual attraction than with the other pairing, and I stand by that, even if things play out this season in favour of the 'vanilla' couple. I do find it interesting and amusing that Jack is a huge disbeliever in fate (preferring self determination, and accountability) and yet that is part of the slogan for Kate/Jack.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 02:01 AM

Kack. I like that better. It sounds like what my cat does just before he throws up a giant hairball. Jate is too much like Fate. If it has to be, I'd rather be kacking over it.

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 02:22 AM

that's funny Z cause i was actaully thinking along those lines myself recently, and if i want a refresher on that all i have to do is pull the book out my bookcase LOL
It just scares me cause they have that tragic feel to them, the unrequited love=redemption type of thing. And the thing is that i don't consider Sawyer to be a worthless person, just like the rest of us don't. But some people do, and think he's not deserving of her love or something and that Jack is cause he's a so-called 'good' person. I have heard this said before.

I want 'A Talle of Two Cities' to be a literal take on the epi at hand and not a sign of things to come, i would hope they'd be more original than that. Cause it's been done, many times. And the thing is your right there, Kate's not the one that gets hurt here in a sense, cause if she choosees, takes a lover she gets something but someone else is left out in the cold here.

And i do sometimes find that irony about Fate rather amusing myself, like Jack i'm not a big believer in it, i believe we make our own fate myself. And i have noting against Jate personally, it's just not my cup of tea.

Tarrish

07-24-2006, 03:52 AM

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 06:19 AM

Kack. I like that better. It sounds like what my cat does just before he throws up a giant hairball. Jate is too much like Fate. If it has to be, I'd rather be kacking over it.

:shesaid: LOL, perfect.....my kitty does that too and it describes exactly how I feel about Jate (er Kack). The thought of Kate with Jack makes me want to cough up a big nasty hairball!

girlspy15

07-24-2006, 09:31 AM

In regards to the spoiler chat...

Since the tale of two cities is the first epi of s3, yes? I think it could be suggestive of whats going on with J/K/S as well as the literal sense in regards to the island politics. However, I think its a bit early for Kate to make her choice. I still dont think she would make a choice till the end of those six epis. I am also convinced that they decided to do that so the blow to whatever ship she kicks to the wayside will be softened with the 2 month hiatus. Nevertheless, we cant know till we see it. And I can totally see Sawyer sacrificing himself. But like my fan fict, that scenario doesnt necessarily mean things will bode bad for Skate. Kate could see this self-sarificing move by Sawyer as proof theat he really loves her. LOL, I know who am I kidding--the writers are totally capable of screwing us over so, Im not optimistic...
Just hopeful. :)

And this part isnt spoiler related, but I just want to say, Im impatient, lol. Id rather see Kate pair with Sawyer first cause if they let it sit too long, even the strongest fire can burn out. Id just rather see them strike while the iron is still hot and have their chance while they still can. I think all this waiting till the end is BS. We dont know whats gonna happen a season or 2 down the road, or if certain actors will still even be on the show, and Im tired of them leading us down the dummy trail. Its gotta be this season or just let Sawyer move on. LOL, sorry, end of rant. I just want Skate now. Its been 2 bloody seasons and nothing. :( We've waited long enough.

honeypoppy0212

07-24-2006, 10:43 AM

Oh yea, that reminds me of the ruler reference that Kate made during the poker game...

Okay folks, Chapter 17 of the civil story is up...

I hope you like it.

http://s11.invisionfree.com/Fuselage_Fiction/index.php?showforum=16

Huggs,
Lisa

Great update Lisa! Can't wait to see how this turns out.
100%
In regards to the spoiler chat...

Since the tale of two cities is the first epi of s3, yes? I think it could be suggestive of whats going on with J/K/S as well as the literal sense in regards to the island politics. However, I think its a bit early for Kate to make her choice. I still dont think she would make a choice till the end of those six epis. I am also convinced that they decided to do that so the blow to whatever ship she kicks to the wayside will be softened with the 2 month hiatus. Nevertheless, we cant know till we see it. And I can totally see Sawyer sacrificing himself. But like my fan fict, that scenario doesnt necessarily mean things will bode bad for Skate. Kate could see this self-sarificing move by Sawyer as proof theat he really loves her. LOL, I know who am I kidding--the writers are totally capable of screwing us over so, Im not optimistic...
Just hopeful. :)

And this part isnt spoiler related, but I just want to say, Im impatient, lol. Id rather see Kate pair with Sawyer first cause if they let it sit too long, even the strongest fire can burn out. Id just rather see them strike while the iron is still hot and have their chance while they still can. I think all this waiting till the end is BS. We dont know whats gonna happen a season or 2 down the road, or if certain actors will still even be on the show, and Im tired of them leading us down the dummy trail. Its gotta be this season or just let Sawyer move on. LOL, sorry, end of rant. I just want Skate now. Its been 2 bloody seasons and nothing. :( We've waited long enough.

I still think it's kind of early for her to make a choice, a final choice anyway. I remember Raggs saying something one time about maybe Kate will choose someone and then later choose someone else. I wonder if that is what's going to happen.

Girlspy, I kinda have to agree there. I'm seriously ready for some Skate and it's getting old waiting while Kate bounces back and forth.

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 11:10 AM

Perdue

07-24-2006, 12:02 PM

Well, the Kackers (you don't know how much that amuses me to write instead of Jaters) seem quite positive that Kate will choose Jack. Alas, I am growing that way myself. Not because I don't think Sawyer is the much better choice, but because I think Sawyer is a much more complicated (and troubled) character and I can see him sacrficing himself out of genuine love for Kate and allowing her to be with Jack aka Tale of Two Cities. I really don't see Jack sacrificing himself to let her be with Sawyer even if he thought she loved Sawyer. It would be more of a shrug and a whimper.
Not sure if I needed to spoiler these things so if I should have, let me know and I'll promptly make the change.

Save The Humans

07-24-2006, 12:04 PM

"The Long Con" reruns on Wednesday night.

Some Skate for you folks to look forward to! :3:

Darbi

07-24-2006, 12:18 PM

In regards to the spoiler chat...

And this part isnt spoiler related, but I just want to say, Im impatient, lol. Id rather see Kate pair with Sawyer first cause if they let it sit too long, even the strongest fire can burn out. Id just rather see them strike while the iron is still hot and have their chance while they still can. I think all this waiting till the end is BS. We dont know whats gonna happen a season or 2 down the road, or if certain actors will still even be on the show, and Im tired of them leading us down the dummy trail. Its gotta be this season or just let Sawyer move on. LOL, sorry, end of rant. I just want Skate now. Its been 2 bloody seasons and nothing. :( We've waited long enough.

Personally, I'll be glad when the writers finally do something with this ridiculous thing since the shelf life on it expired about mid way through S2.

It was entertaining, and intriguing initially. We were all a titter about who Kate will choose. Who's more deserving of Kate's tainted and wavering love. Ha! :laughing: Blah, blah, blah. But it's gotten to the point where it's just sits poorly on all the characters like a an expensive, yet ill-fitted suit, or an oversized hat that really doesn't compliment the outfit their wearing anyway.

More than anything, I want to see these characters grow as individuals, and the "love triangle" in my opinion, handicaps that growth. At least in any positive way. Kate flipping back and forth. Jack throwing hissy fits. Sawyer's bouts of jealousies. What are they, sixteen year olds in the midst of their adolescent hormone rages? :rolleyes: I know it's only been two months...so for them it's still relatively early. And I realize that they all have some pretty deep emotional scars, but for the love of Pete, they're adults! Get over yourselves and make a freakin' decision! It's not quantum psychics! And none of them are that dense where they don't realize that they aren't doing themselves any favors by continuing on with this madness, like ignorance is bliss. It's not.

Like you, I would love nothing more than for S/K to give it a go. Strike while the iron is hot, as you said. Even the best chemisty can be exhausted if you toy with it too long. (i.e Rachel & Ross. Did anyone care anymore once it was said and done?) I want to go through the good and bad, ups and downs with them. I know a union between these two would be fiery, and often times difficult simply because they're Sawyer and Kate...but it would be expected, and it's okay. Look what we've been through with them so far. No relationship is perfect. Besides, there's never going to be a perfect moment, especially on that island where they've worked through all their individual issues so they can contemplate pursuing a relationship. Life simply doesn't work that way.

If they choose to have Kate go with Jack...then fine. Who knows, I may end up enjoying their relationship. I'm willing to be optimistic. If not, their pairing certainly won't stop me from watching the show since I didn't get into 'Lost' due to the romantic aspect of it to begin with. And again, at least they've actually done something with the triangle. Sawyer can move on...K/J can move on...and maybe, since the romance isn't the main focus of the show as TPTB continue to reiterate, then the writers can focus on other more important things...and characters.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 12:29 PM

ravenmoon

07-24-2006, 12:30 PM

So much to think about here. First of all, welcome to our ship of wonders new members. Glad you found our lil family. Well...it's not so little anymore.

There is a lot of rumors, spoilers, and what have you floating around out the love triangle. Putting it all in perspective seems rather difficult. **sigh** I'm holding onto the hope that the writers see that Sawyer and Kate are just a better match. Hot, raw, chem, and so much more. Like you guys said before, Sawyer doesn't just fall in love with any random girl. For him to feel that emotion is extremely hard. If Kate does choose Jack I don't think Sawyer is going to be a lover anytime soon.

Then I was thinking this. Even if Kate does choose Jack how long could that really last? Think about the show Friends. How many times did Rachel and Ross break up? Although that couple might have not been the most exciting thing on TV, pretty much everybody could see that they should end up together. They made better ratings, and I really see all of that in Skate (Skate is fun!). Mix the love and passion in there and that is what makes a couple. Soooo, my point...I get lost sometimes...no pun intended. If Kack moves on I think the writers will see that it isn't everything it's cracked up to be. Skate is where it's at.
I totally agree with you!

Let's examin the worst case scenario. Kate chooses Jack. Obviously the jater's see something there that I don't. I like to think of myself as an objective person, having just done a bloody english literature degree you can't let your personal opinion effect your perception of a book, but look at it from all angles, which is what I try to do with Lost. And upon examining Kate's "feelings" for Jack, I see nothing more than the fact she desperately seeks his approval, because she sees him as a good person, she feels if he thinks she is "good" than it makes her feel good. She likes being included in the "in-crowd," and obviously staying close with jack enables her to do so. I can't get over the fact that the way he acts towards her is more like a condescending big brother or father than a lover. I've tried to see other feelings there...but I just can't!

If she does choose Jack, I will be devistated, mainly because I see nothing between the character that is interesting when they are together. BUT at least we can amuse ourselves by watching how the relationship will not work out, or the compleate lack of chemistry between the characters on screen make the whole scenario rubbish. I can't possibly see how jack and kate could have a relationship. She could never tell him what she's done in her past, jack is probablly the most judgemental person on the island. And if they got together, then I imagine Jack would get more controlling not less! I would laugh my a$$ off if they made them get together, and even some of the jaters were totally disapointed, because I can imagine the scenarios of how they would like to see it happen in the show, but I seriously doubt the characters together can live up to it!

I do really really really hope that they do not make sawyer do any stupid self sacrificing crape to help them be together, or I will actually puke onto my television. If they let jack and kate get together, I hope they have some really cool writing for sawyer. AND that a new woman is interested in him, which will really bother kaste, and eventually she will realise (after a few boring weeks/mpths) with jack (also full of boring, vanilla and totall un-satisfying sex) that sawyer is who she should really be with. or Jack can just get shot and she can run to sawyer for comfort...either one I can deal with...as long as they don't show a jate sex scene, cos again, I'd have to puke onto my tv set!

girlspy15

07-24-2006, 01:15 PM

I think I'm almost there myself. Let them have their Kack. Once they've gorged on it, what will there be left? Jack getting teary eyed and whiney when Kate pays attention to anyone else or acts like the ba*** she can be? Kate hanging on Jack's every word? They are the sort of couple that would settle down into a predictable coupledom, unlike Sawyer which would always crackle. So give them kack and let them eat it.

Thats my biggest fear. If Jate is the successor couple over Skate, I worry about becoming disinterested in Jack and Kate, and all the components that make up what Jate is. Although I dont think it will be long lived, either pairing actually at this point would not have a long shelf life, I dont care for Jack or Kate's behavior when they are together, and it could alienate me from their characters and specifically Kate. Then the question for me could become, is Kate worthy of Sawyer?

Darbi

07-24-2006, 01:21 PM

Thats my biggest fear. If Jate is the successor couple over Skate, I worry about becoming disinterested in Jack and Kate, and all the components that make up what Jate is. Although I dont think it will be long lived, either pairing actually at this point would not have a long shelf life, I dont care for Jack or Kate's behavior when they are together, and it could alienate me from their characters and specifically Kate. Then the question for me could become, is Kate worthy of Sawyer?

As time goes on, I'm beginning to feel she isn't good enough for either of these guys.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 01:26 PM

As time goes on, I'm beginning to feel she isn't good enough for either of these guys. You and me both!!!

Darbi

07-24-2006, 02:30 PM

You and me both!!!

I love your icon. Is it from a movie?

Perdue

07-24-2006, 02:38 PM

I love your icon. Is it from a movie? Thanks. No, I'm not entirely sure where it is from. I've had it on my computer for a long time because it fascinated me how much of the iceberg lies beneath the surface. And then when I read that quote from Damon (there isn't enough room to put his name behind the quote on my tag line) I knew it was just what I wanted for my avitar. So much is under the surface in this show.

ravenmoon

07-24-2006, 02:47 PM

As time goes on, I'm beginning to feel she isn't good enough for either of these guys.

Yeah me too. I think that it is so unfair of her to have built both their hopes up, because one of them is going to get their heart crushed! One of the reason I want her to choose sawyer is becuase I genuinely believe that he feels more for her then jack does, only because I don't think jack feels that deeply about anything. Everything always seems so measured with him.

Another thing that gives me hope that she will choose sawyer that I have just thought about, was the fact that the writers made a big deal of sawyer thinking that kate had slept with jack, and were an item. Then they showed his relief when he found out he was wrong. What would be the point in that, if after a few more episode, which may only be days in the time frame of the show, kate chooses Jack anyway.
Unless they did it to show sawyer dealt with it and moved on and screwed ana

Darbi

07-24-2006, 03:35 PM

Yeah me too. I think that it is so unfair of her to have built both their hopes up, because one of them is going to get their heart crushed! One of the reason I want her to choose sawyer is becuase I genuinely believe that he feels more for her then jack does, only because I don't think jack feels that deeply about anything. Everything always seems so measured with him.

Another thing that gives me hope that she will choose sawyer that I have just thought about, was the fact that the writers made a big deal of sawyer thinking that kate had slept with jack, and were an item. Then they showed his relief when he found out he was wrong. What would be the point in that, if after a few more episode, which may only be days in the time frame of the show, kate chooses Jack anyway.
Unless they did it to show sawyer dealt with it and moved on and screwed ana

Because I believe the writers are just sadistic enough to do something like that. :devil2:

Your comment about everything being so measured with Jack. I had never really thought of it in those terms, but you're right. Jack lacks a great deal of empathy, if his interactions with the other castaways are any indication. Now, that's not to say he' s completely unsympathetic, or lacks concern towards people...but it's something about the guy the leaves one feeling a tad...cold. Maybe that's why his relationship with Kate leaves me feeling indifferent. It's too measured and calculated. Then her behavior around doesn't help at all.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 04:03 PM

I think it all hinges on whether or not the guy writers identify more with Jack or Sawyer. If they see themselves as a "Jack" then we will all be kacking with my cat and his hairball. If they see themselves as "Sawyer" then we will all be noble and sympathetic toward the pain the Kackers are feeling.

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 04:13 PM

I seem to recall reading that there are many heated fights between the main writers as to who should end up with Kate. I have a hunch that there are strong supporters on each side of the divide. :biggrin:

Perdue

07-24-2006, 04:19 PM

girlspy15

07-24-2006, 04:25 PM

Because I believe the writers are just sadistic enough to do something like that. :devil2:

Your comment about everything being so measured with Jack. I had never really thought of it in those terms, but you're right. Jack lacks a great deal of empathy, if his interactions with the other castaways are any indication. Now, that's not to say he' s not completely unsympathetic towards people...but it's something about the guy the leaves one feeling a tad...cold. Maybe that's why his relationship with Kate leaves me feeling indifferent. It's too measured and calculated.

I was just discussing that with Lisa the other night Darbi, but your correct. I beleive we even used the term 'lack of empathy' to describe Jack as well. Where as Sawyer is very empathetic. He pays attention to people, what motivates them, and what they're thinking. Jack likes to save people, but he doesnt try to look under the surface very often.I dont think its time to call it quits yet though kids. I mean lets face it, spoilers can be very misleading. Im sure most of us know that first hand by now.

Jack is by no means a white night in shining armor either. I think Kate needs to learn that actually. The kind of people she builds up in her mind, the kinda people like Sam, who supposedly if he was her real father would have saved her from that tragic life with her mom and Wayne was nothing more than hero/idol worship. Sam called the cops on her when she came to him. Not to say he didnt do the right thing, but the bottom line was 'he didnt save her.' And if she choses Jack cause he is her hero and wants him to save her, the same things gonna happen. I thought Kate had already realized that she was the only person who could save herself in WKD, but based on her behavior since then, she comes off as that little girl desperate for her fathers approval, desperate to be validated. Because in THP and in later episodes, she became Jacks little helper again.

I know I sure wont find much satisfaction in watching a relationship like that unfold. One where Kate will always have to prove herself to Jack and one where Jack isnt even self aware enough or empathetic enough to give a crap about her. All he cares about is saving people. I mean, hes had one failed marriage already and it didnt seem like Jack gave Sara much of a fight to stay. I doubt he even knew what was going on behind his back. I actually see the Jate relationship compared with the Jack/Gabriella relationship. Kate sees Jack as her hero, not her equal.Just like Gabriella confused her gratitude for Jacks help with something more. Jack tends to be attracted to these women. And there in lies his downfall. Same thing if an actor married his number one fan. I dont see much give and take in a relationship like that. IMO, Jack needs a woman who is gonna see him as an equal, not let him get away with playing off his emotions and stands up to him when she doesnt agree. LOL, hey does that sound familiar? Sounds to me like the personality of a certain cop. ;) Anyway, thats just my opinion on why I dont think Jate could work. Jack needs a woman who gets him, and Kate needs a man who gets her. And I dont think either of them have that going for eachother.

Darbi

07-24-2006, 04:31 PM

Then maybe it depends on which man the creators identify with! No matter what happens, there are going to be some unhappy people. And some very very happy ones.

I can't believe that I could care so much about imaginary people and what happens to them! Yikes.

:laughing: It is a bizarre phenomenon, isn't it?

However, I would hope the writers are more objective than which of the two men they identify with more. There are things to appreciate and dislike about both, but, they've created these characters, allowed the actors to bring their own nuances into how they portray each one...look at who they are, where they're going and as crude as it sounds, who they can get the most mileage and drama out of.

I know who I'd go with. :)

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 04:51 PM

Well said Girlspy.

To be honest, even though it said it in the script of that really early season one episode about the Moth, that 'they get each other in a cosmic way' or whatever, I have truly not seen Kate and Jack understanding or 'getting' each other that much at all. Jack is judgmental, and so many times (even though he does try not to be so) we see him struggle hard with the idea of Kate's criminal past, what she might have done and what she is CAPABLE of. He may say he trusts her, but has shown that deep down he doesn't. Especially during THP where we see his undelying trust issues with Sarah also colouring his attitude. We also see that he is overprotective of her, to the point of making her feel like a child. So she acts out and disobeys.

Kate's issues with self esteem influence her choices of men. Her head makes her think she needs a good man to validate her from the outside. That if someone who is upstanding and hero-ish can say ' You are worthy' that she will finally not have to keep proving that she is worthy, or that she is sorry. But she needs to realise that herself, and develop her own sense of self worth independent of someone else's approval or 'permission'. That's why at this point I could never support Kack. They are not good for each other, they encourage unhealthy behaviours in each other which have nothing to do with criminality - but...emotional stability and inner growth. Jack obsesses about fixing people (he needs to learn to chill and not spaz all the time and Kate can't do this for him) and Kate needs approval so bad that any ill word or disagreement crushes her some more. I just don't see them being happy with each other long term.

She finds herself constantly drawn to and attracted to Sawyer, even having sexual banter, playful fun and a bit of 'are you flirting with me?' stuff she seems to like. It's not awkward or forced anymore it's real and ORGANIC. She's also shared deep intense moments of true confession and honesty that are not a product of someone yelling at her to tell the truth. I have yet to see Jack and Kate really open up to each other in the same way that we've seen Skate do on occasion, even when it's painful, like the BTR fireside scene. Kate can relate to Sawyer as an outcast, an outlaw, but even deeper than that, she knows what it is like to loathe yourself. To feel unworthy, and in that way they are kindred spirits.

He accepts her as she is, knowing that it's not his place to judge her, and while she calls him out when he does some really bad stuff, she still seems to ultimately accept him as well. Compare this to the awkward rollercoaster of 'do as I say or I'll be disappointed, pick me, pick me, tell me I am worthy to be loved' crap that seems to be the kack order of the day.

Funnily enough, I also thought an Ana type might work well paired with Jack. Of course it didn't play out that way. But a strong independant and confident woman who knew how to diffuse problems not make them more stressful and who didn't need to be disciplined or moddlecoddled would be much more healthy for Jack. Someone who could talk Jack firmly into resting after the Boone thing, not just drug him to sleep. I did at one stage think Sun would also be an interesting person to put with Jack.

Ultimately, I think Sawyer cares so much about Kate that it's killing him inside. He sees himself as the underdog, and unworthy of her attentions and that's why he's not seriously competed with Jack for her attentions. He takes it when she gives it nowadays and doesn't demand more. He knows she loves to be in the inner circle off traipsing with the Doc and his chosen. He fears that if he laid his cards on the line he'd lose, big time. And yet, in so many things that he does, we can see his growing emotional feelings for Kate and how it unsettles him. But still, unlike Jack, he doesn't take it out on Kate directly.

girlspy15

07-24-2006, 05:14 PM

LOL, Well said yourself Zoriah. ;) I didnt realize they said that about Jate in the Moth script. I would think at that point nobody would really 'get anyone.' So like you, I just dont see that with Jate.

And your right about Sawyer too. He does see himself as the underdog, and I think unless he got some affirmation from Kate, he would remain as is. He feels undeserving of her and like you said, if he professed his love for her, it would be all or nothing for him, no going back.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 05:20 PM

Besides, my dears, "skating" is an Olympic sport while "kacking" is the sound made by a cat throwing up a hairball.:angel:

Darbi

07-24-2006, 05:40 PM

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 05:44 PM

Thanks!

Heh, I brought up the script note because it was so early in the development of the show. We all know that the writers did seem to want to set up Jack and Kate as the 'it couple' , the destined pairing. And they tried to spell it out in these early scripts/eps. And yet, they were blindsided by the amazing chemistry Sawyer/Kate, Evi/Josh had, and eventually began to write them as a viable couple. I used the word ORGANIC because our pairing was not forced down our throats from the get go, it developed naturally and spectacularly on screen.

I believe some of the people attending the Comic Con had some awesome things to say about the writers and producers discussion and how they STRESSED, that the relationships and other aspects of the show (not fully related to the overall mytharc plan) were not set in stone, and that many things happened organically (again I love that word) within the show and they couldn't not run with them. In other words, don't expect the ships to run to some set master plan from day one. It's obvious that they change their minds and are willing to go with what works, and what the viewers are responding to.

Landslide Tater Tops Chemistry poll win for Skate anyone? :angel: :p :biggrin:

MidnightSawyerfan

07-24-2006, 07:46 PM

Ultimately, I think Sawyer cares so much about Kate that it's killing him inside. He sees himself as the underdog, and unworthy of her attentions and that's why he's not seriously competed with Jack for her attentions. He takes it when she gives it nowadays and doesn't demand more. He knows she loves to be in the inner circle off traipsing with the Doc and his chosen. He fears that if he laid his cards on the line he'd lose, big time. And yet, in so many things that he does, we can see his growing emotional feelings for Kate and how it unsettles him. But still, unlike Jack, he doesn't take it out on Kate directly.

So true. Definitely explains why Sawyer hasn't 'laid his cards on the line' with Kate by now too. It's too obvious to him that Kate constantly runs after Jack, how could any guy respond to watching that?
However, I've been re-watching quite a few older episodes lately & one thing I noticed throughout was this - Kate did and does react to Sawyer's actions & events which happen to him as if she worries about him. I think this happened initially in 2nd or 3rd episode of Season 1 when they all went trekking to find signal with transceiver - remember when they heard something crashing towards them & they all ran except Sawyer who remained still & eventually shot that polar bear? - Kate at this time shouted after him & looked like she was trying to go back to him but was held back by one of the group. Similar scenes to this have happened frequently throughout - right up 'til the last episode of Season 2 when they're all captured - Sawyer tries to give the Others a piece of his mind, they seem to hit/kick him as a result & again here Kate reacts as if they did this to her (as much as she could while being gagged & tied).
Maybe I've looked at all of this too much & I know I'm going on & on here, but to me it seems to be instinct for Kate to respond in this way i.e. she does seem to care about whether or not he's hurt or putting himself in danger.
I'm saying this 'cos I'm hoping that something could still happen next season to make her finally realise that she just can't live without him!! :sweety: - Also, because I'm feeling desperate right now after reading so many feelings of 'Kack is gonna happen anyway' (God, that word alone really makes me feel like throwing up just like all your cats!) - I think I'm just trying to grasp anything which could have potential to be good for Skate!

One good thing about the varied spoilers - if it was all one way i.e. sounding good for Skate, then I think I'd be extra worried about our chances - at least there's a lot of stuff flying around, so fingers crossed that Skate can still happen .... & soon....

Love the stuff you mentioned was said at the Comicon Zoriah - let's hope TPTB go with the organic flow & unite the two with the best chemistry ;)

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 07:55 PM

She finds herself constantly drawn to and attracted to Sawyer, even having sexual banter, playful fun and a bit of 'are you flirting with me?' stuff she seems to like. It's not awkward or forced anymore it's real and ORGANIC. She's also shared deep intense moments of true confession and honesty that are not a product of someone yelling at her to tell the truth. I have yet to see Jack and Kate really open up to each other in the same way that we've seen Skate do on occasion, even when it's painful, like the BTR fireside scene. Kate can relate to Sawyer as an outcast, an outlaw, but even deeper than that, she knows what it is like to loathe yourself. To feel unworthy, and in that way they are kindred spirits.

He accepts her as she is, knowing that it's not his place to judge her, and while she calls him out when he does some really bad stuff, she still seems to ultimately accept him as well. Compare this to the awkward rollercoaster of 'do as I say or I'll be disappointed, pick me, pick me, tell me I am worthy to be loved' crap that seems to be the kack order of the day.

Ultimately, I think Sawyer cares so much about Kate that it's killing him inside. He sees himself as the underdog, and unworthy of her attentions and that's why he's not seriously competed with Jack for her attentions. He takes it when she gives it nowadays and doesn't demand more. He knows she loves to be in the inner circle off traipsing with the Doc and his chosen. He fears that if he laid his cards on the line he'd lose, big time. And yet, in so many things that he does, we can see his growing emotional feelings for Kate and how it unsettles him. But still, unlike Jack, he doesn't take it out on Kate directly.

:shesaid: All of that was so well said, the bottom line seems to be that Kate is in no position to choose until she deals with her inner demons. Choosing Jack to validate her own self worth can only lead to disaster. He will never see her or treat her as an equal. In many way he doesn't see her at all except as it relates to what he wants or needs at the moment.

He has uses her....good example is ordering her to go with Sawyer after the shooting with the implied agenda of spying on him, finding the location of his stash and then reporting back to Jack. She sould have called him on that.

He gets "pissy" with her, as when she was captured by the Others and he could barely look at her and was angry (not worried) angry that she cost him his precious guns (his control). Only Sawyer was actually concerned about Kate. Didn't it occur to her that Jack had to "think" about whether her safety was more important than the guns (and having someone get the best of him).

He is only with her when he wants something, she was so happy that he "chose" her to go with him to confront the Others and then he told her he "choose" her because the Others didn't want her ...nice touch Jack. BTW when caught in the net his own reaction was to get out (of something that was her fault). I don't believe Sawyer would be so anxious to get out of that position, more likely he would have taken advantage of it.

After the shootings Jack didn't even notice her distress he was too busy being Jack. He had no empathy for her. So the hero doctor does nothing but the bad boy con man does notice and manages to comfort her in really soft and touching manner.

The scene I can't understand was the one where in front of Kate Jack points a gun at Sawyer and by the way throws that screenplay in the fire. If Kate didn't see the real pissy, pushy, childish Jack in that encounter then maybe she is head over heels in love with him.

The more Kate is around Jack, the weaker, more girlish, puppy dog following the master around she becomes and I don't much like that Kate. IMO she shines around Sawyer, he makes her feel good about herself, he does not judge her but he does, to a certain extent, let her judge him. They interact as equals not as master and slave.

As for chemistry, it is always there and hot between Kate and Sawyer and never present between Jack and Kate. Yes, Jack wants Kate's attention (for his own ego) but does he see her in a sexual way...I don't think so! Could Kate live in a vanilla relationship without the chemistry...not the Kate we knew last year, but maybe the one we are seeing now.

Zoriah, you are right Jack has never opened up to Kate....no conversation about his marriage, etc. and she has only told him what he has demanded to be told. What she and Sawyer have shared about their lives has come more naturally and over a period of time. A solid basis for opening up more to each other as trust grows.

Bottom line, before Kate can be happy in any relationship, she has to be happy with herself. No man, not Sawyer and especially not Jack can do that for her. I believe Sawyer and Kate as a couple have great potential, but not until Kate stops looking for approval from outside. No amount of approval from Jack is going to "fix" her, she has to do that herself!

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 08:01 PM

great conversation since i've been goen. I'll try and add 2 cents to this. Someone mentioned that card scene and we were actually talking about that on ABC once about how he said 'you gotta think i'm gonna bust' That's exactly how he feels here. I always go back to THP when he's untying her and taking care of her and all she can look at is Jack, and then she trails after him to apologize. I remember how Sawyer just accepted this as a matter of course. He didn't get mad or anytning, just gave her moral support at the end. He knows how she feels about Jack, has known it from the begininng and accepted it. Which is why he never fought hard for her, he never thought he ever had a chance here really. As long as there's Jack for her to look at he'll always be second best. It's rather sad.

That's what made the 'friends' scene so painful, cause it was like h e was almost admitting the defeat there. Basically saying 'you won, your a better man than me' If she chooses Jack it wouldn't be a surprise to him. It would be par for the course, as far as he's concerned she's already his, the rest are just details. I think it would be the best surprise to have her surprise him, but the only way anythings gonna happen is if stubborn SOB would just admit he really cares about her. He needs to put the cards out anyway, and see what hand you get. You get nothing if you don't try at all.

And i don't neccesarily believe that whoever she chooses now will be the man she ends up honestly. I just can't see any relationship lasting that long right now, they are too damn messed up for anything, all 3 of them.

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 08:09 PM

One thing that has been amusing me lately are the arguments against Skate that one moment stress they are only platonic friends/sibling-like, and then in practically the same speech assert that it's all just lust and nothing deep. Which is it guys, make up your minds!?

Apparently Sawyer is either an evil horndog objectifying Kate and only wanting to get into her pants for sex, or else he's a friend/brother who has no true romantic/sexual connection and should step aside. :rolleyes:

Yes Sawyer has blatantly flirted with Kate, especially in the early parts of season one. But the thing is, over time (as she has gotten to know him better) we have seen Kate respond very favourably to this. Perfect example is the scene where she throws the banana at him. If that's not a mutual sexually charged scene then people are deaf dumb and blind. :eek2:

Compare this to the awkward and cheesily contrived 'being caught in a net and squashed up against you that I can hardly breathe, faux bickering' we saw in SOS. Clearly the writers were hoping the sexual metaphor would rub off on the characters/actors.

Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

And afterwards that fireside scene - she looked bored and irriated with him, it seemed obvious that up to that point they'd not been talking and there was a wall between them, hence her attempt to clear the air with her bringing up the kiss.

The thing is, for most of us, we just don't see the jack/kate sexual/romantic chemistry. We aren't stupid, we acknowledge that they are supposed to have complicated feelings for each other. We aren't in denial that Jack doesn't figure into the triangle or isn't important to Kate, whereas I sometimes get the feeling that the same respect is not always accorded to our stance.

Bottom line: Kack just doesn't work for us the way that Skate does. Skate for a Skater is vibrant, sexy, unpredictable, addictive, edgy, messy, angsty, complex, soulful, sweet, playful, frustrating, REAL....no fairytale.

And definitely NOT fluffy, tired, boring, dull, awkward or predictable.

Okay I went to town with the adjectives, but I think you get my drift. :kiss:

MidnightSawyerfan

07-24-2006, 08:15 PM

Yes Sawyer has blatantly flirted with Kate, especially in the early parts of season one. But the thing is, over time (as she has gotten to know him better) we have seen Kate respond very favourably to this. Perfect example is the scene where she throws the banana at him. If that's not a mutual sexually charged scene then people are deaf dumb and blind. :eek2:

Absolutely! Kate gives one of her best smiles ever to Sawyer at the end of that scene too - has anyone ever seen her smile at Jack that way?

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 08:21 PM

Well, not one that seems naturally sexy and not cheesy (like that one just before they find the food drop). Honestly I thought she was either putting it on to butter him up, or just Evi trying to hard to look like she was into him. It came across as almost inane. Then again, maybe that's how they want to portray their relationship. Like two kids in school with crushes on each other who don't know how to talk or relate to each other than 'I think you're real cool, maybe we could go out to the mall sometime.'

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 08:26 PM

I always saw and understood the connection between Jack and Kate, it just never worked for me on a romantic way, all due respect. I didn't see it. It didn't hook me the way Sawyer and Kate did and when i watched Season 1 i saw a great friendship in Jate but nothig more than that. I like some of thier scenes just fine but it just wasn't for me.

The arguements against Skate are conflicting in so many ways, first it's a brother/sister style relationship, and then it's all about the lust and sex. First of all i don't look that way at someone that i consider brother like, and secondly it's been clear for awhile now that it's deeper than that. When the Others had Kate, Sawyer's look could fry eggs. He loves that woman so damn much and truly believes he can't have her. Cause someone else got to her first in his mind. And if this had just been about sex he wouldn't have given a rat's patootie about her after he'd had Ana, but that sure wasn't the case, in fact that whole Ana thing was born out of his confused feelings for her.

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 08:27 PM

"Sawyer has blatantly flirted with Kate, especially in the early parts of season one. But the thing is, over time (as she has gotten to know him better) we have seen Kate respond very favourably to this. Perfect example is the scene where she throws the banana at him. If that's not a mutual sexually charged scene then people are deaf dumb and blind." :eek2:

Zoriah: That was pure eye sex and one of the best Skate scenes ever, love the voice Sawyer uses when he says "thanks".

Absolutely! Kate gives one of her best smiles ever to Sawyer at the end of that scene too - has anyone ever seen her smile at Jack that way?

No, and no, but Kate and Sawyer smile at each other a lot...the glasses, the haircut, the waterfall....

MidnightSawyerfan: Check for PM

Darbi

07-24-2006, 08:41 PM

MidnightSawyerfan

07-24-2006, 08:50 PM

I think, the fence-post in the background is kind of phallic looking. :eek:

eta: after thinking about it, I'd feel terrible if I was totally wrong and just let everyone in on how warped I am - sorry

OK, I finally get it - all thanks to Losttvfan's PM with the video link for that clip :biggrin:
Don't know how I missed it before now, it does seem so obvious!
No, I don't think you're warped either Theodoruh - if you are, then maybe we all are ;)

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 08:54 PM

OK, I finally get it - all thanks to Losttvfan's PM with the video link for that clip :biggrin:
Don't know how I missed it before now, it does seem so obvious!
No, I don't think you're warped either Theodoruh - if you are, then maybe we all are ;)

:devil2:Yep, we all are...which is why we are planning to party in hell!

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 08:56 PM

lisagwilkins

07-24-2006, 09:02 PM

Howdy, my outkast family...I missed you all today...

Okay let's hash this thing out...

Let's not be so worried...You know how things go on Lost, nothing is what it seems and even Josh has said, if we think anything will happen, chances are it won't...so let's look at it this way...this whole idea that Kate "makes a decision" or Kate "get's with someone" gives us absolutely no reason to think it's Jack. They could be talking about a flashback even. And if she did get with Jack, that in no way means a long relationship. Maybe that's exactly what will make her realize what's really there waiting for her.

And here's another thought, it is also mentioned somewhere about this Juliet woman who's supposed to be getting Jack to trust her. She is specifically supposed to be something like a love interest for Jack.What does that tell you? So don't worry. Go on and let Kate make her decisions, that doesn't mean it won't be Sawyer...remember you have to kiss alot of frogs before you find your prince and by the way, who says the prince comes along first.

So let her go runnin' off into the sunset with Jack, won't take her long to figure out that the grass ain't always greener...let her get Jack out of her system, then she can focus on who and what really matters...

Come on folks, there has been not one thing to show us how much of a connection there is between Jack and Kate. We have so many connections between Kate and Sawyer, we know that...and at the very least, he "gets" her...and there is nothing in this world better than that feeling of being "gotten".

Don't worry everybody, just hide and watch, our dear Sawyer will have the woman he loves and she'll love him back...and if she goes to Jack first then that's okay, it'll show her how special her Sawyer is.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 09:06 PM

lisa i love you, i really do.. :hug:
beauftiul, postitive, happy post:clapping: and i'm ITA per usual. :biggrin:

MidnightSawyerfan

07-24-2006, 09:10 PM

Come on folks, there has been not one thing to show us how much of a connection there is between Jack and Kate. We have so many connections between Kate and Sawyer, we know that...and at the very least, he "gets" her...and there is nothing in this world better than that feeling of being "gotten".

Don't worry everybody, just hide and watch, our dear Sawyer will have the woman he loves and she'll love him back...and if she goes to Jack first then that's okay, it'll show her how special her Sawyer is.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

Yay! Thanks Lisa for leaving me on a happy note as I depart for my bed.... :biggrin:
And Losttvfan - gonna be dreaming sweet dreams about that party in hell too! :innocent:

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 09:16 PM

Don't worry everybody, just hide and watch, our dear Sawyer will have the woman he loves and she'll love him back...and if she goes to Jack first then that's okay, it'll show her how special her Sawyer is.

Huggs y'all,
Lisa ;)

:wub: In the end I think Lisa is right....but it is going to be painful to get there, painful for them and painful for us. Hey, we Skaters are tough and we know "love ain't no fairytale"....I am prepared for whatever they throw at us this season. "Jate's not the only ship on this island and we all know it" (thanks Locke). We need to believe that the couple that belongs together will be together.

I am also putting my faith in the buzz out there....can TPTB really ignore the kind of response they saw in the Tater Tops?

BTW Leah Kate has posted a new chapter of On The Road!

honeypoppy0212

07-24-2006, 09:16 PM

IMO, Jack needs a woman who is gonna see him as an equal, not let him get away with playing off his emotions and stands up to him when she doesnt agree. LOL, hey does that sound familiar? Sounds to me like the personality of a certain cop. ;)

Glad you mentioned that Girlspy! I totally agree there. That's why I though Jana would be a good thing. She wouldn't have put up with anything. She would have taken charge and shook him up a little. I think that might have snapped him out of whatever funk or whatever he's in. Maybe. ;)

lisagwilkins

07-24-2006, 09:24 PM

Aww thank you hon...I just think we should worry until there's something to worry about...

And besides that Leah posted a new chapter...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

losttvfan

07-24-2006, 09:28 PM

Glad you mentioned that Girlspy! I totally agree there. That's why I though Jana would be a good thing. She wouldn't have put up with anything. She would have taken charge and shook him up a little. I think that might have snapped him out of whatever funk or whatever he's in. Maybe. ;)

:mushy: Good point Kate does not appear to shake Jack up and let's face it, she rocks Sawyer's world!

honeypoppy0212

07-24-2006, 09:33 PM

I think it would be the best surprise to have her surprise him, but the only way anythings gonna happen is if stubborn SOB would just admit he really cares about her. He needs to put the cards out anyway, and see what hand you get. You get nothing if you don't try at all.

Love that Fricks! That's so true!

And i don't neccesarily believe that whoever she chooses now will be the man she ends up honestly. I just can't see any relationship lasting that long right now, they are too damn messed up for anything, all 3 of them.

I agree here too. The writers have said that over and over again. Maybe in the end she'll end up with neither one of them. Who really knows?

fricksgurl75

07-24-2006, 09:45 PM

well that's the point ain't it, you get nothing if you dont' make an effort here, so someone needs to smack some sense into the boy. She ain't gone yet, and it might make a difference if he just said something real to her. Take a chance for once dumba$$ cause you never know...

honeypoppy0212

07-24-2006, 09:58 PM

Darbi

07-24-2006, 11:09 PM

I think it was one of the writers that said if one of them gets together it's curtains time, cause happy couples don't last on TV so whatever happens either way has good and bad aspects for both ships in a sense. TV logic indicates that the couple in question be torn apart for a long time. So i choose to remain positive and negative at the same time. These 3 are so messed up any relationhip coming out of this will be short lived i guarantee it.

Does anyone honestly believe Sawyer and Kate would be a happy go lucky couple?

I can't help but think of 'Grey's Anatomy' who have actually paired a couple quite similar to S/K: Cristina and Burke. They're are both competative as hell. Stubborn, arrogant, opinionated, driven. Sometimes they come off as insensitive to the other, and other people...but at the end of the day, they're there for each other, coming together in their own crazy way. But mostly, they "get" one another. And even though they may drive you crazy as you watch, you wouldn't have it any other way, because they're doing it together.

I never bought into the idea that getting a couple together too early is tv suicide. Take a chance. Aren't relationships are all about taking a chance? The audience, you might find will appreciate seeing a couple go through their struggles. This keeping them apart until the end because it makes things more exciting is so overrated and insulting when you get down to it. Like we're too dense to appreciate watching the intricacies, ends and outs of a relationship. Keep it interesting, and that shouldn't be a problem. And if you have actors with the type of chemistry Evi and Josh have...which doesn't come along that often...use it!

Ugh! I've ranted enough today. It's time for me to go to bed. :ermm:

Save The Humans

07-24-2006, 11:13 PM

:wavey: 'Night, Darbi!!

Zoriah

07-24-2006, 11:25 PM

Apparently I have ruffled some feathers by expressing my opinion in the Skate thread.

I frequent a lot of boards, including Lost Forum. I hang in many threads, not just ones exclusively ship oriented. Some people may think I am directing my comments personally, but really it's just me reacting to what I have seen in many places on various boards.

For the record: I believe that Sawyer and Kate are better suited because they still share respect for each other, for their abilities and so forth, without being blind to each other's faults/shortcomings. But I see respect and caring of a much more MUTUAL and EQUAL level. Not in an imbalanced way that currently seems to have Kate pedestalling Jack and Jack wanting to wrap/smother Kate in cotton wool.

Perhaps it's just because if I was Kate, I would rather have my man supporting/backing me up and handing me a gun when I want to endanger myself rather than screaming in my face or refusing to let me do what I wanted/agreed to do and sabotaging it. That's not showing respect, that's exerting control.

Even though Sawyer conned Kate, we still have plenty of examples where he respected her opinion, went with her decision and gave her moral and emotional support. Anyone who implies that Sawyer doesn't have respect for Kate as a woman and as an equal is dead wrong.

Perdue

07-24-2006, 11:56 PM

It is good to remember that this isn't the end of the show and there may still be many twists and turns before we get there. Who knows? Kate may not end up with either Jack or Sawyer and we'll see them sitting morosely together at a bar somewhere after being rescued murmuring things to each other like, "Women. Who can ever understand what they really want?" :smile:

Zoriah

07-25-2006, 12:08 AM

Whoever Kate choses this season, I do hope that Jack and Sawyer continue to explore their relationship. I actually find that part of the triangle more intriguing and exciting to watch than Kate/Jack, but that's just me.

And in the end, I hope that all parties get something out if it. I want to see Kate emerge with more of a sense of self worth and confidence that is not derived from the opinions of others. I want to see Jack chill out more and learn to stop and smell the mangoes, to enjoy life. I want Sawyer to finally believe he deserves to be loved in return, just like anyone else does.

fricksgurl75

07-25-2006, 12:34 AM

Does anyone honestly believe Sawyer and Kate would be a happy go lucky couple?

I can't help but think of 'Grey's Anatomy' who have actually paired a couple quite similar to S/K: Cristina and Burke. They're are both competative as hell. Stubborn, arrogant, opinionated, driven. Sometimes they come off as insensitive to the other, and other people...but at the end of the day, they're there for each other, coming together in their own crazy way. But mostly, they "get" one another. And even though they may drive you crazy as you watch, you wouldn't have it any other way, because they're doing it together.

I never bought into the idea that getting a couple together too early is tv suicide. Take a chance. Aren't relationships are all about taking a chance? The audience, you might find will appreciate seeing a couple go through their struggles. This keeping them apart until the end because it makes things more exciting is so overrated and insulting when you get down to it. Like we're too dense to appreciate watching the intricacies, ends and outs of a relationship. Keep it interesting, and that shouldn't be a problem. And if you have actors with the type of chemistry Evi and Josh have...which doesn't come along that often...use it!

Ugh! I've ranted enough today. It's time for me to go to bed. :ermm:

thats a great point darbi said it would be easy in any sense. I for one have always liked the ones you can watch develop over time. That was somehitng the writers said that's all. I could handle watching Skate in all it's angst and pain, and don't forget happiness too. All rrelationships are difficult under the best of circumstances and that's what makes it's interesting. Love is epic, and sometimes bloody, and can cause of alot of pain, but is it worth It? I think we know the answer there. And i do think a relationship with them would great tv.

Whoever Kate choses this season, I do hope that Jack and Sawyer continue to explore their relationship. I actually find that part of the triangle more intriguing and exciting to watch than Kate/Jack, but that's just me.

And in the end, I hope that all parties get something out if it. I want to see Kate emerge with more of a sense of self worth and confidence that is not derived from the opinions of others. I want to see Jack chill out more and learn to stop and smell the mangoes, to enjoy life. I want Sawyer to finally believe he deserves to be loved in return, just like anyone else does.

Zoriah very well said ITA :clapping:

Muchacha de Hurley

07-25-2006, 02:48 AM

Whoa it's been a long time since i've posted. i hate being too busy and tired to focus enough to read posts, let alone writhe them! i still haven't caught up completely and even this one isn't as coherent as i'd like... and will probably be old news to all of you, but here i go (i promised myself that i would actually post this time!).

Okay firstly i just wanted to note that i FINALLY got Lost s1 on dvd (had only been wanting it since before it came out, after all) and was struck by several things. It reminded me how much Charlie clearly cared for Claire from the get go but i had never really focused on the fact that Hurley has been there for her too. More importantly i was watching for the Jate relationship and i can honestly say that there is no chemistry there whatsoever and i believe that i would have seen the Pilot first (instead of after i'd seen about three or four other eps) that i never would have shipped Jack/Kate ever because they seem more brother/sister in the Pilot than anything.

Re: the question of what should happen to Sawyer if Jaters win... It seems clear to me that Sawyer would act like it's no biggie. He'd get mad, then seem to get over it, but there's so much more going on under the surface. The first few eps it seemed like he was constantly on the verge of crying whenever no one was watching him. Sawyer tries to hide it, but deep down he's noble and wounded. He'd act like it was all okay but stand back and wait for Jate to fall apart in order to help her pick up the pieces. ;) But since the Han Solo comparison was brought up, i am so much way more hoping for a moment where Sawyer says "It's all right, go with him," and Kate says "No, I want you, I only love him like a brother." Heheheh.

And as to Jack losing... i totally wanted him with Ana Lucia but now that is very obviously out of the question. i mean, Jack's scene with AL in the bar had so much more chemistry than any Jate or Sawyer/Ana Lucia moment ever had. But i just don't think that Jack can really handle a woman who couldn't handle Jack if you know what i mean. He's just not reliable, he's too obsessive and a control freak and sure that he's always right. i always felt that Ana Lucia was strong enough to handle him and that they might actually be able to fix each other. Kate is just a scape goat for Jack it feels like... no real positive emotion, just anger and hatred all the time.

Hope that makes sense, i'm real tired. Btw, i always ship somebody when i'm watching a new show, and my instincts rarely change on a couple, but if there isn't any love developing, no conflict and devotion, then what's the point??? But in hindsight i will return to Kate and Sawyer's first kiss and wonder how anyone could ever think of Jack being a better love interest ever... sorry if i'm being a broken record on that point.

Re: the TV Guide article... full of spoilers! hints that were more than enough for me. For instance the survival of Locke, something that i never doubted. And i must admit that things are looking good for Skate, aren't they?!?
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For the record: I believe that Sawyer and Kate are better suited because they still share respect for each other, for their abilities and so forth, without being blind to each other's faults/shortcomings. But I see respect and caring of a much more MUTUAL and EQUAL level. Not in an imbalanced way that currently seems to have Kate pedestalling Jack and Jack wanting to wrap/smother Kate in cotton wool.

Perhaps it's just because if I was Kate, I would rather have my man supporting/backing me up and handing me a gun when I want to endanger myself rather than screaming in my face or refusing to let me do what I wanted/agreed to do and sabotaging it. That's not showing respect, that's exerting control.

Even though Sawyer conned Kate, we still have plenty of examples where he respected her opinion, went with her decision and gave her moral and emotional support. Anyone who implies that Sawyer doesn't have respect for Kate as a woman and as an equal is dead wrong.
Exactly...
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:blushing: Well I for one had never noticed the difference in the size of the "flashlights". However I do remember Jack putting the "little" flashlight in his mouth while he was examining Michael's gunshot wound right outside the hatch door after the shootings. OMG, if Perdue can't find some symbolism in that I will be surprised!
:biggrin: since i just rewatched the epi the flashlight originated in, can i just say that i REALLY noticed the size difference. Sawyer's was larger and more powerful while Jacks was dinky and could not have put out the amount of light it was portrayed as. :redface: My i'm being naughty tonight.
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I can't imagine Jack as a lover.
ugh! :eek2: (shudders) Yes, as soon as i saw a casting call my heart was filled with longing, but then when i read that it was for an Other love interest for Jack... just forget it!
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whew, finally caught up, now i've got to go get a Lost fix quick!

losttvfan

07-25-2006, 09:24 AM

I never bought into the idea that getting a couple together too early is tv suicide. Take a chance. Aren't relationships are all about taking a chance? The audience, you might find will appreciate seeing a couple go through their struggles. This keeping them apart until the end because it makes things more exciting is so overrated and insulting when you get down to it. Like we're too dense to appreciate watching the intricacies, ends and outs of a relationship. Keep it interesting, and that shouldn't be a problem. And if you have actors with the type of chemistry Evi and Josh have...which doesn't come along that often...use it!

Ugh! I've ranted enough today. It's time for me to go to bed. :ermm:

:cheerleader: Darbi: Well said! TPTB need to wake up and smell the coffee, keeping them apart just to keep the sexual tension going gets old pretty fast. This is standard TV protocol and has been done and done to excess. Lost is too complicated to appeal to most kids except maybe on a visual level. The adults who watch are sophisticated enough to expect more from the characters' relationships than the superficial. The shows that attract viewers have become increasingly more real in portraying the complicated and painful path to an adult relationship, i.e. Grey's Anatomy. In the "good old" days of TV any relationship was domed the minute the characters finally got together i.e. "had sex", think Moonlighting or Cheers.

IMO the audience is much more interested in seeing both the sexual chemistry between a couple and the emotional context that plays out along side of the sexual attraction. They are the two dominate factors in a relationship. The old formula of breaking them up once they got together; just so you could re-start the "tension" again, not only lacks creativity but disrespects the intelligence of the viewers.

As you said, if they write it well and keep it interesting, we will be watching. So in the end the ball is in the TPTB's court to give us something that is both compelling and real. Don't we expect Lost to have an edge, to present us with something we haven't seen a million times before, to take these characters to places seldom explored on television? Leah Kate is 31 chapters into her second Skate story and has kept Kate and Sawyer in a powerful relationship with all the drama that implies. With a bit of guts, Lost can do it too!

:redface: OK, now I have had my rant!

girlspy15

07-25-2006, 09:42 AM

Wow I am so impressed with everyones opinions on this. And really the spoilers have conveniently wedged both ships against eachother yet again, lol. How trite. We really dont know what will happen. I mean on one hand we have the spoiler that there could be a possible love interest for Jack--Juliette. And on the other hand, we have a title of an episode (tale of two cities) and rumor of Sawyers departure that suggests that Kate and Jack will be together. To be honest. Either scenario could work for skate or jate. Kate could chose Sawyer before or after the others let him go, or she could chose Jack at any time as well. Nothing really proves one way or the other which side she is leaning towards. And since there will be a decision, Im pretty convinced that shes gonna have to weigh both her options. I dont think shed run into Jacks arms without atleast confronting Sawyer or vice versa, atleast I hope she wouldnt, so theres bound to be some good Skate before the axe is swung in either direction. Im gonna try to take all these spoilers with a grain of salt though. I mean we've got 2 months, lol. Thats about how long they've been on the island so far. Hehe, no use getting all worked up about the future.

One thing that has been amusing me lately are the arguments against Skate that one moment stress they are only platonic friends/sibling-like, and then in practically the same speech assert that it's all just lust and nothing deep. Which is it guys, make up your minds!?

Apparently Sawyer is either an evil horndog objectifying Kate and only wanting to get into her pants for sex, or else he's a friend/brother who has no true romantic/sexual connection and should step aside. :rolleyes:

Yes Sawyer has blatantly flirted with Kate, especially in the early parts of season one. But the thing is, over time (as she has gotten to know him better) we have seen Kate respond very favourably to this. Perfect example is the scene where she throws the banana at him. If that's not a mutual sexually charged scene then people are deaf dumb and blind. :eek2:

Compare this to the awkward and cheesily contrived 'being caught in a net and squashed up against you that I can hardly breathe, faux bickering' we saw in SOS. Clearly the writers were hoping the sexual metaphor would rub off on the characters/actors.

Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

And afterwards that fireside scene - she looked bored and irriated with him, it seemed obvious that up to that point they'd not been talking and there was a wall between them, hence her attempt to clear the air with her bringing up the kiss.

The thing is, for most of us, we just don't see the jack/kate sexual/romantic chemistry. We aren't stupid, we acknowledge that they are supposed to have complicated feelings for each other. We aren't in denial that Jack doesn't figure into the triangle or isn't important to Kate, whereas I sometimes get the feeling that the same respect is not always accorded to our stance.

Bottom line: Kack just doesn't work for us the way that Skate does. Skate for a Skater is vibrant, sexy, unpredictable, addictive, edgy, messy, angsty, complex, soulful, sweet, playful, frustrating, REAL....no fairytale.

And definitely NOT fluffy, tired, boring, dull, awkward or predictable.

Okay I went to town with the adjectives, but I think you get my drift. :kiss:
Zoriah I dont care if you ruffled feathers, lol. :clap: Cheers, whistles, lol. I totally agree with you. I cant count the number of times Ive noticed skaters being discredited because of the assumption that all we want is drama and sex. Please, we deserve a little more credit than that. We want exactly what you said. And Im not denying that drama and sex isnt a big part of it, but I really think that emotional growth depends on support. That doesnt mean the road wont be tough. But I think both Sawyer and Kate can benefit from one another. The expression "love can move mountains" comes to mind.;) Like a plant, you need nurturing and care to help it grow. I have seen both Sawyer and Kate do this for one another.

This whole Sawyer is Wayne comparison is getting old too. Would Wayne have comforted Diane after a freind of hers died? Would Wayne have followed Diane into the jungle when she was picking fruit to make sure she was safe? Would Wayne have gotten himself shot to protect a kid? Would he have given up his alcohol or medicine to help a dying man or woman? Would Wayne have dropped his gun to save the woman he loved?

honeypoppy0212

07-25-2006, 09:48 AM

Theodoruh

07-25-2006, 10:30 AM

OK, I finally get it - all thanks to Losttvfan's PM with the video link for that clip :biggrin:
Don't know how I missed it before now, it does seem so obvious!
No, I don't think you're warped either Theodoruh - if you are, then maybe we all are ;)

I am SO glad you responded to my fence-post reply post. For four pages you could've heard a pin drop (about that) and I was sure I was out of line --WARPED!! So, I'm O K, right?

Booo

07-25-2006, 11:13 AM

Obviously, Gregg Nations doesn't know either what happened to Sawyer in season 2. :confused:

Me thinks the only reason was to "separate" Sawyer and Kate.

Hi Gregg,

Now that season 2 is over I think you can explain me what was the point of "resetting" Sawyer's character. I understand concerning locke but I still don't get it concerning Sawyer.

Damon said that Sawyer was modeled on Han Solo and when it got to the point last season that he was getting soft like Han Solo in "The return of the Jedi" they had to get back to the outlaw Sawyer.

But during a big part of season 2 Sawyer was reduced to a tree frog squishing character, looking for another con and to get laid. There was no depth, nothing. He conned everyone and took the guns to give them back seven episodes later...What was the point of all of it?

Han Solo was still the same guy with attitude, ambiguous outlaw with a heart and a genuine sense of caring for others. Sawyer can't be both? an outlaw with a heart?
People grow and change...Being "soft" is not that bad y'know!

I really love the Sawyer/Kate pairing but at this rate if they get together one day, there is no doubt that Sawyer will destroy everything like "four" episodes later because hey! that's how he is...and he'll never change even if he has some "soft" moments. :undecide:

I really hope that season 3 Sawyer will show character development.

Tweet.

Gregg's answer:

Well, you've certainly got some valid points. Hopefully season 3 Sawyer will turn out better for you. You'll have to tune in, watch, and let me know what you think.

Darbi

07-25-2006, 11:48 AM

:cheerleader: Darbi: Well said! TPTB need to wake up and smell the coffee, keeping them apart just to keep the sexual tension going gets old pretty fast. This is standard TV protocol and has been done and done to excess. Lost is too complicated to appeal to most kids except maybe on a visual level. The adults who watch are sophisticated enough to expect more from the characters' relationships than the superficial. The shows that attract viewers have become increasingly more real in portraying the complicated and painful path to an adult relationship, i.e. Grey's Anatomy. In the "good old" days of TV any relationship was domed the minute the characters finally got together i.e. "had sex", think Moonlighting or Cheers.

It's been a number of years since the show was on the air, but do you recall 'Thrity Something'? That was a good example of couples already paired, married and dealing with the day in and out of maintaining a relationship. The couple I found most intriguing was the red-headed guy with the blonde wife. Sorry, can't recall their names. I remember them having a rather rocky go of things throughout the show, and may have been contemplating divorce at some point. But, from what I could recall, they were still very devoted to one another, and even though there was a great deal of angst, the audience was right there with them for every disagreement, every tear, every heartbreaking moment. Everytime they remembered why they were together in the first place...why they kept trying to make it work.

Like I said, I don't recall a lot of the details of the show. I think they may have even endured infidelity at some point, or a seperation of sorts. The wife got ovarian cancer...(I wish I could remember their names...sad) it was tragic and beautiful all at once...it was real. And I enjoyed watching every moment of it.

IMO the audience is much more interested in seeing both the sexual chemistry between a couple and the emotional context that plays out along side of the sexual attraction. They are the two dominate factors in a relationship. The old formula of breaking them up once they got together; just so you could re-start the "tension" again, not only lacks creativity but disrespects the intelligence of the viewers.

Case in point...Jin/Sun. They are your classic, romantic tale being told from a different viewpoint--what happens after the fairytale romance. They could easily be very boring tale...but it's been anything but. We learned how they came together...how everything fell apart. We're seeing them try and work through the wreckage of their marriage (literally) and we've enjoyed every minute of it. '...in Translation' still renders me a blubbering fool every time I watch it. (Thanks Javi) Of course, it helps that the two characters are played by such talented actors, so I'm sure that's part of the appeal.

As you said, if they write it well and keep it interesting, we will be watching. So in the end the ball is in the TPTB's court to give us something that is both compelling and real. Don't we expect Lost to have an edge, to present us with something we haven't seen a million times before, to take these characters to places seldom explored on television? Leah Kate is 31 chapters into her second Skate story and has kept Kate and Sawyer in a powerful relationship with all the drama that implies. With a bit of guts, Lost can do it too!

I told Leah if we ever get a chance to meet face to face I was going to slap her before I pulled her into a fierce hug for the damage she's caused my heart in reading 'IH' and 'OTR'. :laughing: The lastest chapter simply destroyed me. :sob:

The one thing I truly appreciate the way she's captured S/K is she's allowed the subtle and not so subtle changes progress naturally without compromising the fundamental aspect of their characters as the show has established them. They're both still stubborn as hell. Prideful, selfish, guarded...but, they're learning how to compromise like any other couple would have to. Sometimes they're good at it, other times, not so much...but irregardless, it's their struggle done in the way it needs to be. Although we don't have the assistance of a visual aid via our televisions as her story progresses, she's painted such a visually stunning image with her words...we don't need it. It's been a beautiful journey to date...and it's been well over a year and it's still interesting, entertaining and enjoyable.

:redface: OK, now I have had my rant!

And what a nice rant it was. ;)

flyer61055

07-25-2006, 12:07 PM

It's been a number of years since the show was on the air, but do you recall 'Thrity Something'? That was a good example of couples already paired, married and dealing with the day in and out of maintaining a relationship. The couple I found most intriguing was the red-headed guy with the blonde wife. Sorry, can't recall their names. I remember them having a rather rocky go of things throughout the show, and may have been contemplating divorce at some point. But, from what I could recall, they were still very devoted to one another, and even though there was a great deal of angst, the audience was right there with them for every disagreement, every tear, every heartbreaking moment. Everytime they remembered why they were together in the first place...why they kept trying to make it work.

Like I said, I don't recall a lot of the details of the show. I think they may have even endured infidelity at some point, or a seperation of sorts. The wife got ovarian cancer...(I wish I could remember their names...sad) it was tragic and beautiful all at once...it was real. And I enjoyed watching every moment of it.

It was Elliot and Nancy and their marriage was in the dumps from the first episode. He was cheating on her and everybody knew about it but her, which is later revealed. Elliot was the classic selfish man who wanted the career and wife and kids as long as he wasn't going to be expected to be bothered with any of it. He needed his "fun". Nancy was the classic dependent house wife who grew stronger once she booted Elliot to the curb and it was eventually him that came crawling back, begging for her to take him back and yes she did end up fighting ovarian cancer after they got back together. Classic case of not knowing what you've got until it's gone, getting it back and then almost losing it again.

The odd relationship between Peter (Michael's friend) and Melissa (Michael's cousin) was my favorite. Two people that too often used each other for sex and an emotional lift when life was beating them down.

Great show.

girlspy15

07-25-2006, 12:29 PM

I told Leah if we ever get a chance to meet face to face I was going to slap her before I pulled her into a fierce hug for the damage she's caused my heart in reading 'IH' and 'OTR'. :laughing: The lastest chapter simply destroyed me. :sob:

The one thing I truly appreciate the way she's captured S/K is she's allowed the subtle and not so subtle changes progress naturally without compromising the fundamental aspect of their characters as the show has established them. They're both still stubborn as hell. Prideful, selfish, guarded...but, they're learning how to compromise like any other couple would have to. Sometimes they're good at it, other times, not so much...but irregardless, it's their struggle done in the way it needs to be. Although we don't have the assistance of a visual aid via our televisions as her story progresses, she's painted such a visually stunning image with her words...we don't need it. It's been a beautiful journey to date...and it's been well over a year and it's still interesting, entertaining and enjoyable.
And what a nice rant it was. ;)

Haha, I know exactly what you mean Darbi. And I am planning on reading Leahs latest chapter today--eesh, so its a heartwrenching chapter again? But she has eloquently brought the characters of Sawyer and Kate full circle. And by full circle I mean, she has them working on all their inner demons together. Along with all the ups and downs, Skate has a pretty healthy relationship and she keeps them true to character with all their flaws and worries and attitude. I didnt think Skate had that much staying power on the show till Leah proved me wrong with her fan ficts, lol. And for that I am thankful. She definately gives us hope alot of it, and I heard on the abc ship that someone affiliated with the show was reading it, so who knows. Maybe shell be inspiring too. ;)

And I also wanted to say that I agree with you all in the fact that you dont need to break up a couple or hold off in pairing them to make it work. Leah Kates fan ficts are evident of that. And I too love Sun and Jins relationship. I wish we could have gotten a little more of them this season, but couples like those prove that you can be together and still have problems, lol.

Darbi

07-25-2006, 12:49 PM

It was Elliot and Nancy and their marriage was in the dumps from the first episode. He was cheating on her and everybody knew about it but her, which is later revealed. Elliot was the classic selfish man who wanted the career and wife and kids as long as he wasn't going to be expected to be bothered with any of it. He needed his "fun". Nancy was the classic dependent house wife who grew stronger once she booted Elliot to the curb and it was eventually him that came crawling back, begging for her to take him back and yes she did end up fighting ovarian cancer after they got back together. Classic case of not knowing what you've got until it's gone, getting it back and then almost losing it again.

The odd relationship between Peter (Michael's friend) and Melissa (Michael's cousin) was my favorite. Two people that too often used each other for sex and an emotional lift when life was beating them down.

Great show.

Elliot and Nancy. Thank you...I couldn't recall. And yes, he was a selfish prick...but I loved the dynamics of their relationship. Regardless of their issues, and they had plenty, I enjoyed the journey because it didn't shy away from their faults or sugarcoat any of the problems.

What was Micheal's wife's name? I liked them as well. They were the "normal" couple on the show, if you want to call it that.

flyer61055

07-25-2006, 01:22 PM

Darbi

07-25-2006, 01:29 PM

Micheal's wife's name was Hope and yeah they were supposed to be the normal couple that could even manage to juggle two different religions along with their two kids. He was pretty hot if I remember correctly. ;)

Hope. Right. I'm horrible with names.

Ken Olin was his real name, wasn't it? Yeah, he was hot.

fricksgurl75

07-25-2006, 01:40 PM

great way of proving things here by bringing up Leah Kate's fics. She does do a fantastic job of showing their flawed but very real relationship as it unfolds. And girlspy her latest chapter is about as wrenching as it gets. That woman is putting us through quite a bit although she assures us it'll be worth it.

And i remember Thirtysomething, i'm old enough for that LOL but another perfect example of how relationships can work on Television if done corrrectly. One of the couples was Hope and Micheal wasn't it? That one i remember for some reason.

And whoever mentioned the fencepost and felt like they got ignored, trust me we didn't ignore it's just that recalling that has a strange effect on us a group.. we are planning a party down in hell if you want to join us :naughty:

Perdue

07-25-2006, 02:10 PM

And whoever mentioned the fencepost and felt like they got ignored, trust me we didn't ignore it's just that recalling that has a strange effect on us a group.. we are planning a party down in hell if you want to join us Yes, indeed, we weren't ignoring you, we were just studying and restudying that scene to see if there was some subtle symbol we might have missed. Like how the fence post rises up out of the ocean as Kate comes near. And its particular angle with relation to the people in the scene. And, well, see why we are getting the burgers ready to roast in hell?

Darbi

07-25-2006, 02:35 PM

Are you guys referring to the strategically placed tent post that could be referred to as Sawyer's manhood, early morning...surprise, if you will, as Kate woke him up in 'THP'?

fricksgurl75

07-25-2006, 02:48 PM

we sure are darbi havent' been able to watch that scene the same way since :biggrin: rising up to meet a new day so to speak :naughty:

and then Kate tosses him a banana.. we could go on and on and on... :devil2:* steps around the flames of the infernal fire and watches the scene again*

Darbi

07-25-2006, 03:02 PM

Save The Humans

07-25-2006, 06:08 PM

Whoever Kate choses this season, I do hope that Jack and Sawyer continue to explore their relationship. I actually find that part of the triangle more intriguing and exciting to watch than Kate/Jack, but that's just me.
:hug: to you, Zoriah!! Can't recall--have you posted over at the JuSt thread lately? Jack-James and Jack-Desmond are my favorite relationships, cuz they play off each other well, and explore the bumpy terrain of friendships, which is far more interesting to me than romances! Would also like to see James-Desmond interaction. The three men together, too!

But that's for the JuSt thread. Here, I want the next chapter of Battlefield Revisited! I :heart: that tale!!

MidnightSawyerfan

07-25-2006, 07:13 PM

I am SO glad you responded to my fence-post reply post. For four pages you could've heard a pin drop (about that) and I was sure I was out of line --WARPED!! So, I'm O K, right?
Awww, Theodoruh - I'm so sorry it took so long for me to reply, this was for two reasons - I usually only get chance to check posts once in the day & there are usually pages & pages to read before I get to post anything... secondly, I was a bit slow copping on to what it was you & others were talking about, had to wait 'til I saw the scene again before it became blatantly obvious! So, it is all fine - you're only warped in a good sense of the word!!! :wink3:
Thanks for the original reply to my post, sorry I didn't say this sooner too :flower:
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Haha, I know exactly what you mean Darbi. And I am planning on reading Leahs latest chapter today--eesh, so its a heartwrenching chapter again? But she has eloquently brought the characters of Sawyer and Kate full circle. And by full circle I mean, she has them working on all their inner demons together. Along with all the ups and downs, Skate has a pretty healthy relationship and she keeps them true to character with all their flaws and worries and attitude. I didnt think Skate had that much staying power on the show till Leah proved me wrong with her fan ficts, lol. And for that I am thankful. She definately gives us hope alot of it, and I heard on the abc ship that someone affiliated with the show was reading it, so who knows. Maybe shell be inspiring too. ;)

And I also wanted to say that I agree with you all in the fact that you dont need to break up a couple or hold off in pairing them to make it work. Leah Kates fan ficts are evident of that. And I too love Sun and Jins relationship. I wish we could have gotten a little more of them this season, but couples like those prove that you can be together and still have problems, lol.
Girlspy, Darbi, Losttvfan - love and wholeheartedly agree with your latest posts :biggrin:
That's wonderful that someone linked to the show is reading Leah Kate's work too - I'm sure a whole new spinoff could be created just based on Leah's work alone - she has their characters down to a T & it continues to be sooooooo entertaining! I have only just said on another forum that I would find a Skate relationship so entertaining to watch too - definitely would be totally superglued to Lost then (as if I amn't already...) :teehee:
100%

And whoever mentioned the fencepost and felt like they got ignored, trust me we didn't ignore it's just that recalling that has a strange effect on us a group..
So true Fricksgurl .... albeit I only realised this fact yesterday :redface:
we are planning a party down in hell if you want to join us :naughty:
Heehee.... :happy_bounce:- already having a wicked time there (:bigrinan: in hell)

lisagwilkins

07-25-2006, 09:02 PM

Zoriah I dont care if you ruffled feathers, lol. :clap: Cheers, whistles, lol. I totally agree with you. I cant count the number of times Ive noticed skaters being discredited because of the assumption that all we want is drama and sex. Please, we deserve a little more credit than that. We want exactly what you said. And Im not denying that drama and sex isnt a big part of it, but I really think that emotional growth depends on support. That doesnt mean the road wont be tough. But I think both Sawyer and Kate can benefit from one another. The expression "love can move mountains" comes to mind.;) Like a plant, you need nurturing and care to help it grow. I have seen both Sawyer and Kate do this for one another.

This whole Sawyer is Wayne comparison is getting old too. Would Wayne have comforted Diane after a freind of hers died? Would Wayne have followed Diane into the jungle when she was picking fruit to make sure she was safe? Would Wayne have gotten himself shot to protect a kid? Would he have given up his alcohol or medicine to help a dying man or woman? Would Wayne have dropped his gun to save the woman he loved?

Excellently, said, GS... and I couldn't agree more.

I know we're all worried about Kate's decision, but folks let's just think for a second. Of course they're going to shove Jack at us. It's a last ditch effort to put the possibility there. If she made her decision, which to me is obvious, without there being some inkling of her turning toward Jack, the what would have been the point of the triangle.

We've already been told that Ana was brought in as love interest for Jack and that didn't work out and now this Juliet is supposed to be the same thing.And again folks, just on the far off chance that she does get together with Jack, which to me is unthinkable, that doesn't mean it'll stay that way.

This about this from a TV viewership and ratings standpoint...Look at the fan base, how many fan fiction sites to we have that are Skate realated? How many fics have so many of us written that are Skate? Don't think for one second that hasn't been considered.

So all I can say, is that we really need to not worry about it...it seems increasingly obvious to me that there is no other decision but Skate.

Yes, indeed, we weren't ignoring you, we were just studying and restudying that scene to see if there was some subtle symbol we might have missed. Like how the fence post rises up out of the ocean as Kate comes near. And its particular angle with relation to the people in the scene. And, well, see why we are getting the burgers ready to roast in hell?

That's why I'm brining the Coronas and the queso and chips...

Perdue, check you PM's darlin...

Are you guys referring to the strategically placed tent post that could be referred to as Sawyer's manhood, early morning...surprise, if you will, as Kate woke him up in 'THP'?

That we are my dear Darbi, that we are...

Okay ya'll here's something that could make us all feel better...I don't know if this'll work but here's my take on Sawyer and Kate finally professing they're love for each other.

Tell Me The Truth

Sawyer stood in the jungle smoking the last of the cigarettes he'd had. He'd stomped off from Kate after he'd inadvertently told her about what happened between him and Ana. He hadn't really planned to but that woman had gotten to him again and he couldn't help himself. Just then she pushed her way through the jungle and confronted him.

"What's wrong with you stomping away from me like that?" She asked.

"Leave it be, Kate, just leave it alone." He said, blowing the smoke out of his nose. This made her madder. He'd turned his back away from her. She took a step toward him and pulled his arm, making him turn toward her.

"James Ford, you love me!!" She stood with her hands on her hips, staring him down.

Sawyer just snorted at her and turned around. He did love her and she knew it, but loving her wasn't what he was worried about. "Like you know anything about love."

"What's that supposed to mean."

"You know what it means." He glared at her with the look she'd seen so many times. "You say it to me. You tell me what you feel for me." Sawyer took a step toward her. Kate took a step back.

"See that's what happens. I come at you and you back away. Well, I'm done comin' after you. You want me, you gotta come to me." Sawyer grinned.

"I'm here!" She said.

"You're late." He said flatly.

"Am I?" She asked. Kate took step toward him and put her arms around his neck and shoulders, almost climbing up his body.

"Say the words." He growled at her. "I wanna hear you say it. Say it from those lips. Say it now."

"I love you, I love you Sawyer." She kissed him hard. He pulled her down onto the jungle floor.....

How's that for how it should be? Y'all feel better now?

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Save The Humans

07-25-2006, 10:58 PM

It just got very hot in here. I wonder why that is? :D

girlspy15

07-25-2006, 11:01 PM

How's that for how it should be? Y'all feel better now?

Um wow, yeah I definately feel better Lisa. :) I think you should be writing for the show. ;) If that happens I will be like a kid on Christmas morning. :D

Crossing my fingers that we get what weve wished for.:santawin:

honeypoppy0212

07-25-2006, 11:04 PM

Can I just say I :heart: you Lisa!! :D Our own Skate cheerleader!

Perdue

07-25-2006, 11:04 PM

Oh my yes, I do feel ever so much better now. The malaise is clearing and I am seeing more clearly. Thank you Dr. Lisa. Your prescription was just what I needed to get over my little blue funk.

fricksgurl75

07-25-2006, 11:05 PM

lisa darlin i wish you wrote for the show. I think i would SQUEEE my little heart out if that happened. :biggrin: And i agree with you on the whole not worrying thing. We'll ride with whatever happens but for now no use getting worked up over something that hasn't happened yet.

Darbi

07-25-2006, 11:13 PM

"See that's what happens. I come at you and you back away. Well, I'm done comin' after you. You want me, you gotta come to me." Sawyer grinned.

"I'm here!" She said.

"You're late." He said flatly.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

:winkiss: Now that I can totally see Sawyer saying...

lisagwilkins

07-26-2006, 12:02 AM

Awww, y'all are too sweet...I just had to do something to lift our spirits...

Don't worry, it'll be okay...I just don't feel it'll be anything but okay...and I'm sticking with that hope.

And I love you all too...and whoo hoo, Perdue called me a Doctor...I can die a happy woman...

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Muchacha de Hurley

07-26-2006, 03:53 AM

i, too, totally agree with Darbi and losttvfan! i am sooooo sick of shows thinking that getting two characters together (when it's so obvious that it's the way things should be) would ruin a show! Many people would argue that several of the shows i have been a big fan of were ruined because of this concept (Dark Angel and Star Trek Voyager come to mind).

Wow I am so impressed with everyones opinions on this. And really the spoilers have conveniently wedged both ships against eachother yet again, lol. How trite. We really dont know what will happen. I mean on one hand we have the spoiler that there could be a possible love interest for Jack--Juliette. And on the other hand, we have a title of an episode (tale of two cities) and rumor of Sawyers departure that suggests that Kate and Jack will be together. To be honest. Either scenario could work for skate or jate. Kate could chose Sawyer before or after the others let him go, or she could chose Jack at any time as well. Nothing really proves one way or the other which side she is leaning towards. And since there will be a decision, Im pretty convinced that shes gonna have to weigh both her options. I dont think shed run into Jacks arms without atleast confronting Sawyer or vice versa, atleast I hope she wouldnt, so theres bound to be some good Skate before the axe is swung in either direction. Im gonna try to take all these spoilers with a grain of salt though. I mean we've got 2 months, lol. Thats about how long they've been on the island so far. Hehe, no use getting all worked up about the future.

uh... i just don't see how Kate could choose Jack after the way he's been treating her. i know she felt betrayed by Sawyer because of the con to get the guns, but who is it that believes in her? That comforted her when she was crying? That she went to when she noticed some Others? My biggest complaint about the finale was that she was looking at Jack at the end when the entire last month she'd been leaning towards Sawyer. That still perplexes me.

But during a big part of season 2 Sawyer was reduced to a tree frog squishing character, looking for another con and to get laid. There was no depth, nothing. He conned everyone and took the guns to give them back seven episodes later...What was the point of all of it?
Ugh, that wasn't even a response to the comment! But i must confess that, maybe i just understand Sawyer, but, i think that even those things were development. i think that Sawyer sometimes does things just to get a reaction out of people. But i will admit that, while i thought it was a good thing that Sawyer got the guns, that it was just dropped and never developed further as it should have been. It was used as a gag, as a way to make Sawyer look bad, instead of analyzing Sawyer's real motives (which i believe were noble).

Perdue

07-26-2006, 04:03 AM

I couldn't sleep and so decided to post something that I've been mulling about. The Kackers often refer to things in the scripts as evidence that Jack and Kate are meant to be together. But I wonder how much is put in the scripts just to elicit certain responses from the actors and not to be indications of the "way things are going to be?"

For instance, I recall reading an interview with the actress who plays Sun who said that she was asked to play one of the last scenes of the season three ways: 1) as if she knew Jin was the father 2) as if she knew he wasn't the father and 3) if she didn't have a clue. She still doesn't know who the father is and they used the take where she was acting the most confused.

So I've been wondering if the writers could be placing things in the scripts so that the actors present things a certain way which may or may not have anything to do with the ultimate direction. As I said, just mulling.

And I've been thinking about the differences between the Kacky Kiss and the Sawyer Smooch :) Nothing cogent yet, but one thing does strike me: it's Kate doing the kissing in both incidents. She initiates and directs both kisses. Just an interesting observation.

fricksgurl75

07-26-2006, 04:14 AM

While i'm up too, Perdue that's a very interesting point about the kisses. She is a sense the iniator in both of them and she's the one that breaks both of them. It's almost she's the one really in control of the situation. That the guys do tend to sit back and wait for her to do something. Hence Sawyers inactivity in a sense after he came back. It's like he was waiting for her to make the move in a sense.

And i do think that the actors are directed to do a scene a certain way as to potray something specific. But sometimes the actors have said that they don't understand the scene they are playing. I think Evi said once that she didn't get why Kate was saying or acting a certain cause it seemed so out of character for her, and the writers told her to trust them on it. She didn't elaborate on what scene but it was within the last 6 or 7 epis of the season. So who knows really? The actors don't know any more than we do sometimes.

And Muchada as far as the frog scene, i think the point there was to make himself look like a jerk in front of Hurley, cause he saw him bein all nice and stuff so he had to reiterate that he was a jerk. And the gun thing, i wish they had gotten more into his reasons for that too, there were so many different angles on that as far as motivations, not the least of which was to make himself the most disliked person there again.

losttvfan

07-26-2006, 06:33 AM

And I've been thinking about the differences between the Kacky Kiss and the Sawyer Smooch :) Nothing cogent yet, but one thing does strike me: it's Kate doing the kissing in both incidents. She initiates and directs both kisses. Just an interesting observation.

:redface: That is interesting and something the Jaters focus on a lot....they point out that the Skate kiss was forced on her (via blackmail) which of course doesn't explain why she went back for thirds! We, on the other hand, feel she was somewhat "out of her mind" when she kissed Jack....and ran away. So the motives for both kisses are a bit of a mix signals situation.

:biggrin: The next kiss is going to be very interesting because the situation will probably be very different. The context, if romantic, should allow us to see a really sexually charged exchange between two people who are both drawn into a kiss that clearly means something to both of them. I would like to see Kate initiate that kiss as well......because she clearly wants it, because it will represent "a choice" on her part and hopefully there will be NO ambiguity about it!

Zoriah

07-26-2006, 07:44 AM

Perdue, in many ways you are right. The shooting script directions are there specifically to indicate to the actor the direction of the scene and sometimes to spell out the motivation if they want it to be clear for that scene. It's obviously an ongoing process and sometimes what is directed does not come across as well on the screen as intended or sometimes they edit the scene a certain way to get a different tone or emotional direction because it's more interesting. The writers have made it very clear that they are influenced by how the scenes play out between the actors/characters and it can change the direction of what they originally planned.

So I don't think anyone should be overly worried about stage directions from things back in the early few eps (especially) of season one when the writers were still finding their feet and getting used to the strengths and best fit chemistry wise with their actors.

TPTB have said : NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. The only master plan they have is for the overall arc of the series regarding the mysteries etc and how they want to end it.
Writing for a TV show is a fluid process, changing due to meta circumstances and onscreen performances.

Prime examples are the untimely demises of Ana Lucia and Libby, and Henry lasting for more than the 2 or 3 eps that were planned for him (rumour is that he will be a regular this coming season - so you see performances can wow the writers and inspire them to create different stories than they intended originally.)

I've been thinking a little about the comment at the Comic Con about how something will happen at some point this season that will electrify everyone's brains and either be a great exciting development or have people crying that the show jumped the shark. I was wondering if they decided to kill off/write off Jack after all. Wouldn't that truly be shocking? Either that or Christian is not really dead, and he's a part of Dharma and faked his death hehe. "Jack, (heavy breathing sound) I am not really dead..." "NOOOOOOOOO!"

ETA: Losttvfan if you watch that scene in HDTV on a nice big monitor with the headphones on, you can hear them both moan, and Kate gives him some tongue too!!! Definitely developed into a very hot mutual kiss. Don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise.

girlspy15

07-26-2006, 09:35 AM

But i will admit that, while i thought it was a good thing that Sawyer got the guns, that it was just dropped and never developed further as it should have been. It was used as a gag, as a way to make Sawyer look bad, instead of analyzing Sawyer's real motives (which i believe were noble).

ITA, Muchacha, I still beleive that Sawyers motives for taking those guns leaned towards the greater good. I was disappointed that the story line was dropped cause it would have been interesting to see Sawyer take a stand and have a more influential role in the group, rather than the outsider who had to get conned with his own methods to give one up. I think we can do better than that.

As far as the kiss, Perdue, I cant remember if this has been brought up here, but I think its interesting to see the camera work and sound effects on both kisses. The Skate kiss had a bird call and the natural elements for their background. I often watch a scene on mute to see these things more clearly, and I think the Skate kiss was all about the kiss. The camera focused in on their two faces and remained still the entire time. We see them make eye contact at the end and we know that they both got more than they bargained for and that Sawyer really didnt want to tell her that he didnt have the medicine.

Whereas in the Jate kiss, we have deep throaty dramatic violin music and Kate practically attacks Jack with her mouth. Its not the slow and deep kiss like Skates. This time Kate seems like she desperately wants to feel something more with Jack. And when on mute, you notice the camera work and how it moves all around them. Almost giving the scene a dizzying effect. And then Kate looks up at Jack and we see that she is still haunted just like she had been before. Nothing changed between them. And Kate ran off.

Also notice in both episodes, in CM, Kate came back to talk with Sawyer after he had been injured. She didnt come back to Jack. She only mentioned the kiss again long afterwards, IMO as a means to break the ice. So to me its pretty obvious with the camera work and what Kate did afterwards who she feels more at home with. Obviously all scenes are open to interpretation, but those are mine.

TPTB have said : NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. The only master plan they have is for the overall arc of the series regarding the mysteries etc and how they want to end it.
Writing for a TV show is a fluid process, changing due to meta circumstances and onscreen performances.

And this I find very comforting. ;)

Darbi

07-26-2006, 11:27 AM

Speaking of the Skate kiss...Hee! :) I noticed something while watching, I think it was one of Lisa's videos the other week that was kind of interesting. Or at least it was to me.

There is this moment when Kate goes in the second time and they both pause...and, I suppose it's open for interpretation, but it's almost like Sawyer's silently asking for permission to go further and Kate answers by opening up (literally) deepening the kiss. It's so subtle...but good lord it was hot!

ETA:

ITA, Muchacha, I still beleive that Sawyers motives for taking those guns leaned towards the greater good. I was disappointed that the story line was dropped cause it would have been interesting to see Sawyer take a stand and have a more influential role in the group, rather than the outsider who had to get conned with his own methods to give one up. I think we can do better than that.

I remember asking my brother (who's a general fan of 'Lost'...he has no favorites as far as I know) what he thought of the 'TLC' and what Sawyer did a few days after it aired. He kind of smiled and said, "There's more to it that."

Of course, me being me, curious about what he meant, I asked him just that...what do you mean?

Paraphrasing here:

"The guys a b*stard, but he's smart. And think about it. If Sawyer can create that much chaos within their camp...amongst people they supposedly trust, then if Jack and Locke, the "leaders" of the camp are arguing about who's going to call the shots, be in charge, think about what these other people can and have done. I don't think it's really about the guns at all...it's about power...something none of them really have at all."

I love my brother...

fricksgurl75

07-26-2006, 01:05 PM

wow interesting reading :biggrin:

It's interesting to compare the 2 kisses cause they both happened under such strange circumstances. The Skate one gets denied alot of time cause of the 'forced' idea forgetting the fact that he left decision entirely up to her. I watched it again recently (cause i love it so much) and did notice that there wasn't any music and the camera shots were very basic. It almost looked slightly like an amatuer film. It seemed very intimate and close, like you were almost intruding in a way on a very private moment. And it was very obviously mutual there, and the script ook the time to point out the SHE broke it first. And according to the script they both felt something. They way they looked at eachother afterward was an indiction of that. It pointed out that he'd lost the swagger and was just simply a man a that point. Like girlspy (i think) said it was patently obvious that he didn't want to tell he didn't have the medicition.

The Jate kiss i think i agree that she did seem to go after him a bit depseratly there, not that that lessened the feeling for her but i got that impression myself. The problem that i had with it wasn't the kiss itself, cause that was alright under the circumstances i think the problem i had is that they didn't let the moment speak for itself, instead they Hollywooded it up with the music and the insane camera angles. I think i could've looked at it better had they just allowed it to about the kiss, left the music out and like i said let it speak for itself.

In short i don't think either of them were under normal circumstances and therefore one can't say that one was forced or didnn't mean anything cause you could make the same arguement for the other. The next one should be key here, i'll be very interested to see the circumstances of that one.

Darbi

07-26-2006, 01:27 PM

The Jate kiss i think i agree that she did seem to go after him a bit depseratly there, not that that lessened the feeling for her but i got that impression myself. The problem that i had with it wasn't the kiss itself, cause that was alright under the circumstances i think the problem i had is that they didn't let the moment speak for itself, instead they Hollywooded it up with the music and the insane camera angles. I think i could've looked at it better had they just allowed it to about the kiss, left the music out and like i said let it speak for itself.

The problem I had with the kiss wasn't Kate, or the desperation that seemed to iminate in her kissing Jack. It was Jack.

I kept looking at his expression wondering if he was enjoying the kiss at all. He looked as if he was about to puke at one point during the kiss. I swear his expression made me think he'd rather be sucking a lemon than kissing Kate. I get that she caught the brother off guard, but dude...get into it! The woman has been throwing out signs for over a month for him to make a move on her...she finally kisses him and he looks like he'd rather be having a rectal exam...? :confused:

Of course, the whipping camera shots and stirring music meant to illicit an emotion from the audience didn't help one iota.

Perdue

07-26-2006, 04:51 PM

you can hear them both moan, Oh dear. I think I just got a front row seat in hell for my thoughts about THAT!

What always intrigued me about the Sawyer kiss is that she could have just given him a peck, on the cheek even, and got him in a technicality. He didn't ask for a kiss with "moaning" (Oh dear, my chair is getting even closer to the fire.) He just wanted a kiss. He was tied up. All she had to do was lean in, brush his lips or cheek and call it good. But she didn't, now did she? (Do you think they sell fans in this section of hell?)

Darbi

07-26-2006, 05:05 PM

Oh dear. I think I just got a front row seat in hell for my thoughts about THAT!

What always intrigued me about the Sawyer kiss is that she could have just given him a peck, on the cheek even, and got him in a technicality. He didn't ask for a kiss with "moaning" (Oh dear, my chair is getting even closer to the fire.) He just wanted a kiss. He was tied up. All she had to do was lean in, brush his lips or cheek and call it good. But she didn't, now did she? (Do you think they sell fans in this section of hell?)

Afraid you'll have to bring your own fan. ;)

fricksgurl75

07-26-2006, 06:03 PM

losttvfan

07-26-2006, 06:42 PM

ETA: Losttvfan if you watch that scene in HDTV on a nice big monitor with the headphones on, you can hear them both moan, and Kate gives him some tongue too!!! Definitely developed into a very hot mutual kiss. Don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise.

:naughty: Zoriah: Oh yeah, I have watched that scene with the sound turned up (what kind of a Skater would I be if I hadn't done that at least once -- OK so twice). Someone can probably post the script notes (?Lisa?) from that scene as they clearly state that though it was to start off as one thing it would quickly turn in to something else entirely and become very mutual to the surprise of both Kate and Sawyer. Hey they were both breathless and shaken senseless! Anyone who thinks that Kate didn't fully participate in that long, wet, hot kiss should take up permanent residence in Fantasyland!

BTW, I think that kiss probably was one of those moments that even took TPTB by surprise and may just have been the first really Skate moment for them....the moment when they saw, for the first time, the amazing chemistry that Josh and Evi generate on the screen and the possibilities.

Note: This has been said before but it never hurts to say it again....last year the Skate kiss WON "Best Kiss" in the Tater Tops poll....this year the Jate kiss was NOT even nominated...enough said!

Perdue: You can sit next to me and the rest of the gang in those front row seats...we have decided we can make hell work for us! Since I am bringing the s'more, will someone please bring the fans?

Darbi: "rectal exam"....OMG, I have got to watch that scene again...you just gotta love some of Jack's expressions!

MidnightSawyerfan

07-26-2006, 07:13 PM

:naughty: Zoriah: Oh yeah, I have watched that scene with the sound turned up (what kind of a Skater would I be if I hadn't done that at least once -- OK so twice). Someone can probably post the script notes (?Lisa?) from that scene as they clearly state that though it was to start off as one thing it would quickly turn in to something else entirely and become very mutual to the surprise of both Kate and Sawyer. Hey they were both breathless and shaken senseless! Anyone who thinks that Kate didn't fully participate in that long, wet, hot kiss should take up permanent residence in Fantasyland!

I have a friend who would be more of a Jate fan & she admits that the Skate kiss was great & that Kate definitely was into it too. Even though some see this kiss as 'forced' Kate did indeed have the control over it - well as much control as any of us would have in the same circumstances with the same man that is :rolleye1: - but as you've all said, she didn't just give a peck - indeed even after the initial stage, there was a slight pause & she could have stopped right then but she continued much longer than was necessary & had difficulty pulling away too - this kiss was so good I hope & pray that the next one (there has to be a next one :63:) can match it, 'cos how could it get any better? Another kiss - regardless of whether it's better - should definitely keep us all celebrating the roasting in hell though :dgrin:

Lisa - you know how to keep us all happy here - loved your little tale Tell Me the Truth & potential events for Skate, would be so good to see Sawyer taking that control to make Kate admit her feelings for him :love:
100%

Perdue: You can sit next to me and the rest of the gang in those front row seats...we have decided we can make hell work for us! Since I am bringing the s'more, will someone please bring the fans?

OK, I'm on to it ... indeed, maybe I should install some AC as I think the temp. is going to be beyond the fans' capabilities :prtytime:

lisagwilkins

07-26-2006, 10:21 PM

Perdue, my dear, come on, I have that spot in hell saved right here for you!!!

The woman has been throwing out signs for over a month for him to make a move on her...she finally kisses him and he looks like he'd rather be having a rectal exam...? :confused:

God Darbi, I love you!!!! That is priceless...and oh so true.

:naughty: Zoriah: Oh yeah, I have watched that scene with the sound turned up (what kind of a Skater would I be if I hadn't done that at least once -- OK so twice). Someone can probably post the script notes (?Lisa?) from that scene as they clearly state that though it was to start off as one thing it would quickly turn in to something else entirely and become very mutual to the surprise of both Kate and Sawyer.

At Zoriah's request, here it is...from page 39 of the LOST script for "Confidence Man"...and I might ad, this is the script I received for having won the DIMPLES fan fiction contest a few months ago...not like I'm braggin' of course...hehehe

Here we go...typed word for word from the script...

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ON KATE: Yea. It's f**king ridiculous but dammit if he doesn't make a compelling arguement. And dammit if there isn't a strong contingent of women out there watching this ho WANT her to do it.

And we can see the moment in which she makes up her mind.

KATE:

Okay.SAWYER:

Okay.

Kate approaches him. Squats down on to her haunches. Gets close. Looks into his eyes. He looks back.

And here is the first kiss on LOST.

Wht makes it interesting that even though it starts out as a chore -- a necessity -- somewhere about three or four seconds in, it becomes something ELSE. And just before actually goes from something else to REAL...

Kate pulls away.

And we mild this delicious moment afterward for all it's worth. And despite the insanity of the circustances under which it happened, both of them felt something. Finally -- and when Sawyer talks to her from now, it's softer -- that kiss, did something to him -- some of his swagger is gone -- he's just a man now --

Okay that's it, then it goes into dialog...

I hope y'all enjoy reading this...like I said it's word for word.

Okay here's something else...This is in the script before Kate says, "So, I'm here. Where is it?" asking for the in halers.

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And as Jack and Sayid (grudgingly so) walk off into the jungle. KATE:

What did they do to you?

SAWYER:

Nothin'. Just got a manicure.

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Thought ya'll might enjoy that...Hope you enjoy it.

Huggs,
Lisa

Darbi

07-26-2006, 10:29 PM

God Darbi, I love you!!!! That is priceless...and oh so true.

Right back at cha', doll. ;)

I hear rectal exams are all the new rave on "Craphole Island". :laughing:

And as Jack and Sayid (grudgingly so) walk off into the jungle.KATE:

What did they do to you?

SAWYER:

Nothin'. Just got a manicure.

:clapping: He is FOOL!

Genius.

Save The Humans

07-26-2006, 10:36 PM

If that was a manicure, I'd say that Sayid really nailed it, yeah? :D

(STH, Queen of the Bad Puns, strikes again! :harhar1:)

halfrek

07-26-2006, 10:36 PM

I think I'm almost there myself. Let them have their Kack. Once they've gorged on it, what will there be left? Jack getting teary eyed and whiney when Kate pays attention to anyone else or acts like the ba*** she can be? Kate hanging on Jack's every word? They are the sort of couple that would settle down into a predictable coupledom, unlike Sawyer which would always crackle. So give them kack and let them eat it.

yo peoples. there is not be any Jate mocking/namecalling/rudeness etc.
fair is fair. you can comment on how you dont like Jate. but do NOT
be making snide comments about the Jate fans. the above
was quoted b/c it is just kinda of rude to suggest that the Jaters would "gorge"
on their ship etc. and seriously Kack? play nice.

fricksgurl75

07-27-2006, 01:46 AM

If that was a manicure, I'd say that Sayid really nailed it, yeah? :D

(STH, Queen of the Bad Puns, strikes again! :harhar1:)

:105: might have been a bad joke but it was funny that's fer sure...

And we mild this delicious moment afterward for all it's worth. And despite the insanity of the circustances under which it happened, both of them felt something. Finally -- and when Sawyer talks to her from now, it's softer -- that kiss, did something to him -- some of his swagger is gone -- he's just a man now --

li LOVE that part :biggrin: lisa darlin thanks for posting the CM script.. i never get tired of watching that epi or reading that script. I love what it pointed out there. Such a great moment in Skate history.

SouthernFreckles

07-27-2006, 02:11 AM

yo peoples. there is not be any Jate mocking/namecalling/rudeness etc.
fair is fair. you can comment on how you dont like Jate. but do NOT
be making snide comments about the Jate fans. the above
was quoted b/c it is just kinda of rude to suggest that the Jaters would "gorge"
on their ship etc. and seriously Kack? play nice.

kack sound better than jate:undecide: me :heart: jaters honestly... but me :heart: skate... not jate.:hypocrit:

omg so by now every one has heard=p...kate is gonna me her choice in the first 6 weeks=O
hey skaters havent been here in a while cuz of some issues with my "count" or w/e appearntly ya cant spam around these part;) sorry y'all... old habits die hard;) but i am soo excited about the new season can you believe it's not till oct:confused:
I started a skate fanfic earlier this week if any of y'all are interested:)
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3061356/1/

see y'all around:)
*hopes for once i didnt do somthing wrong in one of my posts:undecide: *

:heart:

Save The Humans

07-27-2006, 03:45 AM

Pretty good so far, Southern Freckles! :biggrin:

Only about 2 months till October 4, so keep those chapters coming, now!

lisagwilkins

07-27-2006, 08:45 AM

Theodoruh

07-27-2006, 09:29 AM

Hi all you comrades in warped imagery!!

Listen --- I read a ways back a comment to the newbies about voting in the poll. I clicked there this morning and it says I can't vote! Do they have something against warped Sawyer fans participating???

honeypoppy0212

07-27-2006, 10:30 AM

Howdy y'all,

I just came on before I have to leave for work so I can't stay but a minute. I also have the script from Outlaws so later tonight when I get home I'll put up some of the I Never game...and for your information, there are 16 I never statements...Interesting that 16 happens to be one of the numbers.

See y'all when I get home.

Huggs,
Lisa ;)

Thanks for posting the CM script Lisa! Never can get too much of that scene. :D Can't wait to read the Outlaws piece from "I Never". I don't know what it is, but to me there is just something about those sounds/words that Sawyer says that you have to turn the volume up to hear. ;) Particularly the moan during the kiss and the "C'mere" during the hug. There's something just so darn sexy about that! :biggrin:

fricksgurl75

07-27-2006, 10:58 AM

girlspy15

07-27-2006, 11:00 AM

Oh god you guys are killing me with the kiss, hmmm. :blshing1: Thanks for the script Lisa, lol. Even though I cant see it live right now, that script keeps the image burned fresh in my mind. Gonna be another hot one today, fans self..

honeypoppy0212

07-27-2006, 11:03 AM

i think i know what you mean honey he does some of his best work in the barely audible zone, and it's sexy as hell i have to admit. In that low voice, with that accent... damn.

oh and lisa i can't wait for you to post some of the Outlaws script :biggrin: i love that one too. And yes where is your latest vid?

Theodorah are warped in a good way, and look joemamaaah's avi how can we not be? :naughty:

You're right fricks! Can't forget the accent! That's a big part of what makes it hot as hell and well Josh's good looks don't hurt any either. LOL

And you're right girlspy, we're always in for a hot one when Josh and Sawyer are involved!

Darbi

07-27-2006, 11:51 AM

A couple of random thoughts:

For the past couple of weeks, the fate of Sawyer's letter has been bothering me, so this morning I popped in my S1 DVD disk, and forwarded through to I got to the raft scene of Sawyer reading the messages from the bottle. There's no indication that he didn't have the letter in his possession, but he wasn't reading it at the time Walt confronted him about invading the other castaways privacy.

He does, however, tell Walt that the only letter he's ever written was to the man he was going to kill. If the kid wasn't already screwed up enough...recent death of his mother, crash landing on an island with a father he doesn't know, freaky darn near diabolical brain powers...I'm not sure if that little chat helped matters at all. That and his impending kidnapping. But I digress.

As a side note: It was another reminder of how isolated and sad Sawyer's life really has been. Revenge being all he feels he has to live for. Sad.

So, for the sake of much needed continuincy, what if Sawyer had left the letter in Kate's possession before he left? Given the way Exodus part I ended with Sawyer and Kate searching the beach with one another...regretting how things were left. Kate discovering Sawyer's letter would have been a very powerful scene, and it would have tied in very well with her behavior as she tore through the messages in the bottle that washed ashore.

It also could have added a greater impact to the scene at the end of 'TLC' when Kate confronted Sawyer about taking the guns. Seeing her cram that letter back in his hands much like Sawyer did to her in 'CM'...anger, disappointment, fear stenciled across her face as she said something accusatory like, "I guess you'll want this back than?" or "Why did you leave this with me?" The look on Sawyer's face would have been priceless (because honestly, what could he have said at the moment to make things any better?) as she walked off.

Continuincy that can still be built upon. He's come close to burning that letter once. I would hate to think that something that's been such a intregal part of his life, the pain, bitterness, fear and anger he lives with has simply dissolved in the ocean with no further mention of it again. Seems rather anti-climatic.

Something else I noted about that episode. Charlie is a dweeb...and has shown signs of being a rat, traitorous b*stard even then. I had forgotten that he had punched Sayid blaming him for Danielle taking Aaron. The world? :confused: And after Sayid tried to help him come to terms with shooting Ethan. Tsk! Punk.

I also realized how very much I miss Shannon. I loved the conversation she and Sun had about if they were being punished for the lies they'd told, secrets they kept before the plane crashed and how it was fate that was punishing them. A very depressed and distraugt Claire speaks up and says they weren't being punished because there was no thing such as fate. Great scene.

S3 wish...more Sayid, period. The beautiful Maggie Grace to make a guest appearance as a figment of someone's imagination for a few episodes at least. An explaination as to why Jack's hair won't grow. Desmond and Sawyer to get drunk off their arses as they swap conquest stories. Locke back in the jungle hunting and killing stuff, being the creepy, somewhat distrustful shaman we know and love. Hurley to lose some weight. More clarification on those numbers. Mr. Eko...actually, I'll take him in any fashion he comes...the man mesmorizes me. :) More shirtless Jin. Sun, Kate and Claire to take a more proactive role. Charlie...I honestly don't care.