Hi folks. While I've been following the fantastic work all of you have been doing deciphering and finding the clues for the Lost Experience. I realize that my talents would be no good here. But there is one thing I am talented with, it's finding directions that are outside of the box.

Let me ask you this. The Lost Experience is happening in the now, and the story of the lostaways happend 2 years ago. Now while that story is incomplete, and we do not have a resolution to it. Maybe we can use what we know there to our advantage.

Up to date, we know of DHARMA, that people have died on the island, that there are food drops, a machine that causes a large magnetic disturbance that is traceable. We also know that two people have at least been close to getting off the island.

Those people are Michael Dawson and Walt Lloyd. So maybe I can take things in another direction. Not going to say that the lost experience has covered anything like this at all. But if there is something official that is put out there and would help progress things along. I'm gonna do some digging.

It's prolly nothing. But at least it'll help me kill some time while things are slow (Pre season 3)

Sorry, but how do you know that Michael and Walt wouldn't be send back like Desmond with his boat?

Is it just me who thinks that the bright light and electromagnetic outburst could produce a time-shifting effect so that the island was send two years into the future so that our heroes are now in 2006?
In my opinion it would make sense and could lead into new stories where Rachel Blake has the chance to find the inhabitants of the island.

And if Michael and Walt really escaped... Maybe they would be able to help Rachel and DjDan to "Shutdown The Man" or at least the Hanso Foundation.

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Let me ask you this. The Lost Experience is happening in the now, and the story of the lostaways happend 2 years ago. Now while that story is incomplete, and we do not have a resolution to it. Maybe we can use what we know there to our advantage.

Up to date, we know of DHARMA, that people have died on the island, that there are food drops, a machine that causes a large magnetic disturbance that is traceable. We also know that two people have at least been close to getting off the island. Not only are the events of The Experience taking place two years after the events of Lost the television show, but they're taking place in an alternate reality in which the show is fiction. Nothing in The Experience is going to tell us about the outcome of The Show. In fact it's plausible this weekend that Rachel Blake will meet one or more actors from the show at the comic con in San Diego. She wouldn't meet them as characters from the series, because in Blake's reality, as ours, those characters don't exist and Oceanic 815's crash on an island never happened.

So anything Rachel may learn about Hanso, it won't reveal anything to us about Dharma that we can use for the show. In fact I've yet to see evidence that the Dharma Initiative exists in Rachel's reality, beyond the fictional references. We don't know that people died on any island involved with Hanso. Only that Mittelwerk had island maps in his possession when Rachel bumped into him. Walt and Michael are fictional characters in Rachel's reality so their escape has no effect on her.

Not only are the events of The Experience taking place two years after the events of Lost the television show, but they're taking place in an alternate reality in which the show is fiction. That's a possibility and agrees with what Hugh McIntyre said on late night television. Hugh said something about the Dharma Initiative being cancelled in 1987 and that LOST was "just a TV show created by the writers" but he refused to discuss the "proprietary" information of the Dharma Initiative.

But other than Hugh's statements, is the fictional status of the Lost island story in the alternate reality confirmed or just a theory? Can you provide a reference link? In my mind the show is fictional in the ARG, but could very well be largely based on alternate reality 'facts.' In fact, doesn't the existence of "Bad Twin" and the disappearance of author Gary Troup in a plane crash tell us that the beginning of the Lost Island story (flight 815 crash) is real in terms of the ARG?

So anything Rachel may learn about Hanso, it won't reveal anything to us about Dharma that we can use for the show. In fact I've yet to see evidence that the Dharma Initiative exists in Rachel's reality, beyond the fictional references. We don't know that people died on any island involved with Hanso. Only that Mittelwerk had island maps in his possession when Rachel bumped into him. Walt and Michael are fictional characters in Rachel's reality so their escape has no effect on her.
The Dharma Initiative is clearly in-game. Hugh McIntyre mentioned it.

Also, see Dharma Initiative reference here:
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/orientation_testing_issue_1980/

Also, one of the big reveals in one of the Persephone hacks (the 'Simon' colors game) gave us what DHARMA stands for (Dept. of Heuristics and Research ... Material Applications)

My head hurts. :undecide:

LOL, mine does too....now. Anyways. Thanks for the input and those ideas do make sense in a sorta kinda kind of way. :)

Not only are the events of The Experience taking place two years after the events of Lost the television show, but they're taking place in an alternate reality in which the show is fiction. Nothing in The Experience is going to tell us about the outcome of The Show. In fact it's plausible this weekend that Rachel Blake will meet one or more actors from the show at the comic con in San Diego. She wouldn't meet them as characters from the series, because in Blake's reality, as ours, those characters don't exist and Oceanic 815's crash on an island never happened.

So anything Rachel may learn about Hanso, it won't reveal anything to us about Dharma that we can use for the show. In fact I've yet to see evidence that the Dharma Initiative exists in Rachel's reality, beyond the fictional references. We don't know that people died on any island involved with Hanso. Only that Mittelwerk had island maps in his possession when Rachel bumped into him. Walt and Michael are fictional characters in Rachel's reality so their escape has no effect on her.

I thought these issues had been cleared up. The characters of LOST are fictional to the "reality" of the game. The game is fictional to the "reality" of real life. That's two levels of fiction:

Real life ---> ARG (Alternate Reality) ---> Show (Fictional based on alternate reality)

I know the above is out-of-order, as the show was created before the ARG, but in the "reality" of the ARG, Hanso and DHARMA were launched before Oceanic 815 crashed. You have got to seperate the two -- the ARG and the SHOW.

LOST can be compared to Bad Twin in this way. Bad Twin is a book of fiction based on a "real" events, people, and places, including some of TPTB at Hanso (the "real" corporation). The show LOST is a work of fiction, where the characters we know are affected by things attributed to the "real" corporation, Hanso. We have seen these things on the show.

Of course, THF is foctional, but to grasp the info given, and tp place it in the proper context(s), you've got to place yourself in the "alternate reality" of the ARG. You need to agree with McIntyre. LOST is fictional, based on real events. McIntyre said himself that DHARMA was discontinued in ..., meaning it was a "real" program. That means that while Jack Sheperd may not have pushed the button, somebody probably did, in "real" life.

All the above explanation means, we are receiving explanation of show mythology. The mythology of the show includes all the intangibles already in place when the Losties crashed, except for the people there. All the hatches, smokey, etc. about the island, this is what is being explained through the game.

So, yes, absorb, and grab hold of any "mythology" references you see in the ARG. And, when you do, go here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53165), and post away. BTW, that link contains links to Gregg Nations explanations of the ARG. DharmaChick also posted a link to an Entertainment Weekly article discuss (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=54836)ing this very thing.

Golf_Fan, I think your summary and explanation of the different realities we are dealing with is really great.

LOST can be compared to Bad Twin in this way. Bad Twin is a book of fiction based on a "real" events, people, and places, including some of TPTB at Hanso (the "real" corporation). The show LOST is a work of fiction, where the characters we know are affected by things attributed to the "real" corporation, Hanso. We have seen these things on the show.

There's one hole left in that explanation however: Gary Troup.

He died on that island after the crash of flight 815 with Jack and Locke and all of the other fictional characters we know on the SHOW, which means he is real in the reality of the fictional show. But Gary Troup is also very much real in the "alternate reality" of the game. He is so real in the alternate reality that Hanso felt it needed to conduct a smear campaign to discredit him and protect their own reputation. So he exists in two realities: the show and the ARG. He does not exist in our reality.

I think the final truth of this ARG is that there are holes punched through all of the intertwining realities and the "fourth wall." Whether this is intentional on the part of TPTB or not, I have no idea. But it's still a really fun ride.

Golf_Fan, I think your summary and explanation of the different realities we are dealing with is really great.



There's one hole left in that explanation however: Gary Troup.

He died on that island after the crash of flight 815 with Jack and Locke and all of the other fictional characters we know on the SHOW, which means he is real in the reality of the fictional show. But Gary Troup is also very much real in the "alternate reality" of the game. He is so real in the alternate reality that Hanso felt it needed to conduct a smear campaign to discredit him and protect their own reputation. So he exists in two realities: the show and the ARG. He does not exist in our reality.

I think the final truth of this ARG is that there are holes punched through all of the intertwining realities and the "fourth wall." Whether this is intentional on the part of TPTB or not, I have no idea. But it's still a really fun ride.
Thanks for the support Necrite. :)

I was going to mention Shakespeare or one of several other (old) writers, but let's go back further. People all over the world try to discredit the Bible (one of the oldest texts on Earth). The authors of it are all (dead), but that doesn't stop some folks from attacking their writings. Doesn't matter that Gary Troup is dead. He is not a character of the show. He exists as mythology, like Alvar, the DeGroots, Marvin Candle, etc. Now, whether or not we see all these names in the ARG is doubtful, but he is on the same level as those names.

But, you are right, there are holes and intertwined realities all over. It takes a lot of open-mindedness, and suspicion, to make the right connections without pulling in irrelevant info. Perhaps this ARGs "Red-Herring" is the show itself. Everyone wants to tie-in a clue from RB to something Locke said (or something like that). If I remember right, that's the type of thing red-herrings are designed to do to ARGers, get them following arbitrary mis-information while the truths are revealed in the background.