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LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:01 PM

Welcome to The Whispers and Other Hidden Audio Clues #2!

From Home Theater Magazine (courtesy of ADoseOfYou): Page 1 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/ADoseOfYou/HTMagMar2007One.jpg) Page 2 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/ADoseOfYou/HTMagMar2007Two.jpg)

Scott Weber, Rerecording Mixer, re: the Monster sounds: "Each time we use the sound, we add something to it, so the monster's sound continues to evolve. There are hidden message in its sound."
Question: Do you guys have any inside dope about where Lost is headed?
Tom de Gorter, Supervising Sound Editor:
"They do give us advance knowledge on certain story lines we need to know about, but we can't talk about them. I will say there are sound effects in some episodes that provide clues about stuff that will be revealed later on. You could call them Easter eggs for very careful listeners."

In this thread, we analyze strange audio from episodes of Lost. The audio analysis and transcriptions are provided by the amazingly aurally talented, rvturnage and penyours. The main focus of the thread is the strange Whispering that is a key mythological element to the series (such as the Whispering at the end of the episode “Solitary.”), but we also analyze “hidden audio” in the show. This is a much less obvious phenomenon on the show, but one that many of us strongly believe in. An example of hidden audio can be found in the Pilot episode. See below for more information on that and also how RVT and Pen transcribe their work.

A few important notes about this thread:
1. It can be very difficult to make out anything from the audio files. But we ask that all posters in this thread be polite and respectful toward all the hard work that is put into the audio analysis and transcription, not to mention the fact that many of us are hard-core believers in the Whispers.
2. If you would like to volunteer to try audio analysis and transcription, please PM Pen and RVT to discuss their transcript verification process. You’ll see noted in the checklists below that some members of this thread have already volunteered and are working on certain scenes.
3. This is a spoiler-free thread. Like all threads in the General Theories forum, spoilers need to be spoiler-fonted, but please be particularly careful about spoilers in here, as they could inadvertently influence our spoiler-free transcribers.

User-Friendly Navigation:
The original Whispers (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=25491) thread in the “Abandoned” forum (a very worthwhile, fun, informative read—the thread that started it all)
The Whispers and Other Hidden Audio Clues (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=38199)first (organized) thread in General Theories
Final audio and transcripts at the Long Lost List (http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major_arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm)
Posts 2 and 3 below are RVT and Pen’s introductions; Read these to see what they are currently working on, how they do what they do, what equipment they use, why it can be hard to hear the audio, etc.
Post 4 is the Season 4 checklist
Post 5 is the Season 2 checklist
Post 6 is the Season 1 checklist
Post 7 is the Secondary checklist (scenes that may be explored eventually, but are not an immediate priority)
Post 8 is the Season 3 checklist
Post 9 is Doc's Master Theory List (theories about the Whispers, submitted by Whispers lovers)
Post 10 is quotes from The Powers That Be about the Whispers and also sightings of our thread in the greater Lost fan world and in the media
Posts 11 is DrShephard’s masterwork of analysis of the audio and transcripts—what might all of this information mean? What are some theories that we’ve already discussed? Enlighten us, Doc! (housed by jennylee27)
Post 12 is reserved for further expansionIf you would like to receive a Private Message when a new transcript is posted in this thread, please PM jennylee27. PMs will come from Jenny or DrShephard.

Thanks all of the contributors to this thread. There are so many active members—I couldn’t possibly name you all. You are all so important, especially those of you who quickly pull out your DVDs and check over scenes for suspicious audio.
Special thanks to:
The original W.H.I.S.P.E.R.S. ship (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=5439)for starting it all;
gumpy5, who pulls the surround sound files for many of the episodes for Pen and RVT;
it's.mrs.b. for hosting audio files for Pen and RVT;
Carpeoccasio who still hosts the archived the final transcripts and audio for us at at his now defunct LostLinks.net (see Whispers (http://www.lostlinks.net/whispers.htm) and Monster Sights & Sounds (http://www.lostlinks.net/monster.htm))
Car88win (as well as the rest of the staff at the LLL) who hosts the final transcripts and audio at the Long Lost List (http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major_arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm).
TabbyRasa who first had the idea to check for hidden audio in the polar bear growls. Look what discoveries came from that idea!
DrShephard: the newest addition to our organizational support staff! Your help is immense, Doc. Thank you for maintaining the season 3 checklist!
Big shout-out to jennylee27, my co-hostess, who had the original idea (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=746139&postcount=707) to move the thread into the General Theories forum.

Thanks and enjoy!

Whisper On,
LostLaura

P.S. Whispers lovers: Wear it :3000bass: with pride in your signature!

rvturnage

07-27-2006, 10:02 PM

This post will be updated regularly, and will act as an index of the transcripts we are currently working on. These transcripts are not final, and may change before the final draft. Once a transcript has a "final" draft, it will be removed from this list and added to lostlinks.net website. Many thanks to Carpe for his generosity in hosting the transcripts!

The Process Of Transcribing: PenYours and I work independently from the same original audio files. We break the surround sound audio into seperate channels (Center, Left & Right), and processing them. Once we each have a "working transcript", we'll post them for everyone to see/hear. We take suggestions. We then compare notes, swap files, analyze any differences we may have had in our work, and get together to compile what we think is a good solid "final" transcript. Hopefully, this keeps errors to a minimum.

Technical stuff: We work with ac3 sound files digitally recorded for the live broadcast or taken from DVD. These ac3 files are in 5.1 surround sound and contain 6 audio channels. In our transcripts we list which channels the audio was taken from. If we do not specificy the channel, you should assume that it's the center channel. Sometimes we only post the center channels because it's the only place with hidden voices, other times we just didn't have enought time to check the other channels.
Info about free audio programs you can use to get the wavs files from ac3 or DVD can be found in various posts within this thread...a few can be found here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=932292#post932292), here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=931412#post931412), and here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=931239#post931239)

Now, without further adieu, here are the links to the transcripts. Please note SOME of these are still in the old thread.:

Flashes Before Your Eyes,Voice in Desmonds Flashback as he breaks up with Penny (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1396477&postcount=1246)

long con hurley and sayid on radio (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1367493&postcount=1065)

I do, Construction scene Alex with her slingshot (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1358451&postcount=1004)

I Do Danny and Juliet at construction (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1314278&postcount=867)

A tale of two cities earthquake scene (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1345487&postcount=946)

Further Instructions Locke's vision and the airport scene (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1345487&postcount=946)

EMFH Danny on the Radio just before Colleen is brought to the Hydra (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1356718&postcount=993)[/QUOTE]

Ben's speech at Colleen's funeral (Final), Cost of Living (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1266152&postcount=662)

Eko's last words (Final), Cost of Living (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1259406#post1259406)

Every Man For Himself: Sawyer waking up/First Intercom Scene with Jack (Final) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1245122#post1245122)

Every Man For himself: Second intercom scene with Jack (Final) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1242971#post1242971)

Glass Ballerina: Other flirting with Juliette Conversation and hidden whispers (FINAL) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1222341&postcount=346)

Glass Ballerina: Danny/Colleen Conversation (final) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1217912&postcount=308)

PEN & RVT Intercomm audio from "A Tale of Two Cities" (FINAL draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1205508#post1205508)

RVT & PEN Live Together Die Alone Ambush scene whispers (Final Center Channel only, Left & Right still in progress) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1191837#post1191837)

PEN & RVT Autopsy Tape from "?" (final draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=991262#post991262)

RVT & PEN First Loudspeaker Audio in Lockedown, first 68 seconds (final draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=944253#post944253)

RVT & PEN One of Them: voices during second interrogation scene PT 1 (final draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=893410#post893410)

RVT & PEN One of Them: voices hidden in sound as timer hits zero (final draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=817994&postcount=335)

RVT & PEN One of Them: whispers as Jack pulls Sayid from Henry (final draft) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=818187&postcount=343)

RVT Monster from the Pilot, at the beach and cockpit (includes Kate hiding in the tree) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=798844#post798844)

Penyours Polar Bear from Special transcripts (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=739672t#post739672)STILL IN OLD THREAD
RVT's Polar Bear from Pilot transcripts (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=802952#post802952)
RVT's Polar Bear from Special (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=802405#post802405)
RVT's Fire+Water whispers transcripts (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=802074#post802074)
RVT's MOSMOF whispers transcripts (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=802242#post802242)

These older transcripts are generously being at longlostlist.net:
abandoned
48 days
solitary
outlaws
the 23rd psalm (http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major_arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm)

RVT

penyours

07-27-2006, 10:02 PM

Welcome to the new thread everyone!
Section 1: Transcripts I'm working on right now (this list will be update constantly):

Finalizing:

1. ID - Alex at the construction site
2. EMFH - Tom and Ben at the TV monitors
3. EMFH - Danny on the radio
4. FI - airport scene
5. T2C: Otherville scene
6. LTDA - ambush whispers
7. Lockdown - loudspeaker audio part 2
8. MOSMOF - shannon in the jungle
9. Special - Polar attacking Walt

Transcribing:

1. TMFT - Jack and Juliet outdoors
2. SIASL - The others watching Jack
3. FBYE - Desmond in the jungle scenes
4. FBYE- Charlie busking
5. FBYE - Desmond waking up in his apartment
6. ID - intercom scene
7. TCOL - Eko and Smokey
8. SOS - Michael comes out of the bushes
9. the Long Con - Sayid and Hurley on the radio
10. One of them - the frog
11. Fire + Water - Charlie's dream

Section 2: Our thoughts about the hidden voices and audio.
Many of the whispers are hard to hear, this is because the voices are usually heavily processed and/or buried under a lot of different sounds. Do not expect to hear a crystal clear conversation. Personally I listen to the audio on studio monitors which seperate the sounds much better than computer speakers or even commerical hi-fi speakers. This is what we have posted in earlier threads about how you can better here the voices:

Pen says:
Right now, it seems like some people have an easier time listening than others. In terms of (hearing the words), you have to realise that a lot of the voices are purposely hidden in the audio and not meant to be easily heard. In the audio clips there are many sounds layered on top of each other. So when you listen to them you actually hearing many different sounds all at once. This is what makes it hard. It's like trying to listen to someone speaking very softly while standing on a busy street with construction going on, someone else yapping on their cell phone, cars honking, music blaring out of a car and rain hitting everything. You get overloaded with sounds and it's hard to focus on just one - it's just going to sound like background noise. What you need to do is find the right sound to focus on, which is the voices. What makes it hard is that the voices are usually highly processed, so sometimes it's harder to recognise them. It's just something you have to train your ear to do and you need to listen to the audio many times to get used to the sounds, until you find the right sounds that are voices.

rvt says:

While having good equipment certainly helps, decent speakers and soundcards are all that's really neccessary...I find headphones help me to hear better. The real key is training yourself to focus on one particular sound. The trick is finding that one range of sound that has the dialogue. just like Pen's street analogy. The easiest way for me, is to use a program that allows me to highlight a small portion of the audio to listen to, like Soundforge or Audacity, and go through it a little at a time. Listening to the whole clip in one sitting can be difficult, although it might help give you an idea of where to start. I highlight a small section, sit and replay that 2 or 3 second bit of audio until I can hear words. It may take 2 minutes or 20 minutes to catch it, but eventually, i'll hear a phrase that is different than the background noise, and I can focus on it to make it out.

question: Why can I better hear the voices in the audio after reading the transcripts?

pen: When listening you have to realise that these are hidden voices and that they are processed a lot to make them hidden, because of this it's hard recoginise what sounds are voices. The reason some people can better hear the voices after they have read our transcripts is because you can then more easily pinpoint and recognize which sounds are voices.

question: Are you purposely or subconsciously changing the whisper transcriptions?

pen: I translate word by word and don't think about the scene specifically because I want to reduce the risk of subconsciously swaying the whispers transcripts.

rvt: Pen and I try quite hard to avoid any preconceptions in what we're doing. As was said, we work independently of each other, and then compare transcripts and files, and then go back again to get as close as we can. I will say this... I am not making up hearing voices in a scene. That much I can promise, as these in the hatch have nearly overwhelmed me, just due to the sheer volume. I don't want this much work :biggrin: I will go quite out of my way to be sure I can hear a recognizable human voice before I say that there is hidden dialogue in a scene. If all I hear is static or other noises, i move on.

question: How accurate are these transcripts?

Pen: I personally think there will be mistakes, but I feel that the main ideas and gist of the transcripts are close to what the writers want (And remember that Javi (Lost's supervising producer) said that they reserve the right to be clever and tricky with the whispers, just like the rest of the show) Either way, we'll know how accurate the whispers are but how well they fit into the mythology of the show. Just like everything else in the show, our thoughts will change from episode to episode because the writers want to put twists in and keep us second guessing and reevaluating.

pen: I knew that when I made the original decision to post the sound files for the whispers that many people would have problems hearing the whispers, because they are hard to hear, especially if you listen quickly once or twice. And I knew this would create some doubts, but I personally wanted to make the process as open as possible. What do I want out of the whispers? I just want everyone to have to access to all the clues provided in Lost and then they can make up their own minds.

Question: How do you find all this hidden audio?

RVT: Usually we either recognize something from experience or we get it from astute viewers on thefuselage.com or lost-tv forums. For instance, the hidden voices from One Of Them were discovered by a poster here on the 'lage. Someone posted a thread saying they thought they heard a voice whisper "Thank you" when Jack pulled Sayid off of Henry. What they thought was odd, was that it didn't appear to be coming from anyone on screen. we checked it out. Turns out, that line was louder than most of the other hidden voices, which allowed it to be heard. And it led to us finding voices in all of the interrogation scenes

Another example: in Libby's flashback at the end of Dave, a poster at lost-tv thought they heard the words "well done, walt". Well, the poster was wrong. It was actually overlapping dialogue from characters. But, while I was listening to that scene, I noticed a few tell tale signs of the hidden voices.

The polar bear voices were suggested by Tabby, here, as we had just discovered voices in Smoke.... as has been confirmed by Javi, there were certainly voices in there.

So, you see...we've been lucky finding them. And that's led us to dig into almost anything that sounds like it would be a good place to hide something

Question: Are you sure you are hearing voices?

rvt: yes, I'm completely sure we're hearing acutaly dialogue. Before we share a scene, we're quite sure it's voices. Not just noise that sounds like voices. I have to be able to hear an actual voice speaking words before I say there's voices there. Noone was more skeptical of the first polar bear voices than I was. But I heard them...but then, since we don't know each other, i know how hard it is to believe that. Again, that's why we put the mp3's out there. Personally, I start out quite skeptical when I check a scene, unless it's obvious whispers, like F+W. Pen can verify, that I PM'ed her when she was first checking the polar bear growls and told her, I really doubt there's anything there. "Are you SURE you're not reading words into a pattern of noises?" and she assured me she wasn't, and when I investigated myself, I found she was right. Same thing with this radio transmission (in the long con). I've PM'd her and asked..."are you sure you're not just hearing the DJ through the static?" Again, she's assured me she's not. I'll go ahead and work on it with her, but honestly...I'll remain a little doubtful until I can hear it myself. But dont tell Pen :biggrin:

jennylee27

07-27-2006, 10:04 PM

Season 5

Please post in the thread if there are other scenes you'd like to have explored by our audio whizzes.
You need to hear something out of the ordinary for it to be added to the checklist. We might have to tell you that for now we are going to leave it off of the main checklist. If we think it could possibly be explored in the future, it will be listed in the secondary to-do list (post #7). If new reasons arise to add your idea to this list, we will. Thank you for your understanding.

If there is nothing in parantheses, the scene has yet to be explored. If there are parentheses, here are the options:
a) Nothing found (struckthrough, with name of who analyzed the scene)
b) Audio found (with link to audio and name of who analyzed the scene)
c) Work In Progress by someone (name of who analyzed the scene)
d) Draft Available (name of who analyzed the scene)
e) Finalized (up at LostLinks and the LLL)

Lastly, when something is "final," it is unlikely to be visited again anytime soon, but that doesn't mean it won't ever change again. You never know!

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:05 PM

Season 2

Man of Science, Man of Faith
1. Shannon hears whispers in the jungle (RVT's draft available; Pen's in progress)
2. Opening Desmond sequence--hidden audio during "Make Your Own Kind of Muisc"?

Adrift
1. Shark scene--hidden by waves?

Everybody Hates Hugo
1. Hurley's dream--timer beeping?

...And Found
1. Possible whispers before Others appear (Pen's in progress.)

Abandoned
1. Ana and Mr. Eko’s group hear whispers (Final up at LostLinks)
2. Shannon and Sayid hear whispers (Final up at LostLinks)
3. Whispers when Sawyer is being carried up the hill?--Big tree, Cindy dissapears, etc.

48 Days
1. The sounds during the plane crash
2. Shannon and Sayid hear whispers (Final up at LostLinks)
3. Tailies chase a chicken
4. If vWhispers/Others voices heard in DEM radio transmission, check Bernard's

The 23rd Psalm
1. Sound before Eko encounters Smokey
2. Eko and Smokey encounter (Final up at LostLinks)

What Kate Did
1. Possible whispers during horse scenes on island
a) Opening scene with her picking fruit in the tree
b) Later when she sees horse with Sawyer
2. Possible whispers during horse scene in flashback
3. When Kate puts the music on in the hatch

Fire + Water
1. Whispers during Charlie's first dream/prophetic vision (RVT's draft available; Pen's in progress)

The Long Con
1. Sayid and Hurley on the radio (Pen's draft (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1367493&postcount=1065))

One Of Them
1. The frog itself (Pen's draft in progress)
2. When Jack pulls Sayid out of interrogation room and Henry is staring him down (Final up at LostLinks)
3. The sounds when the timer hits zero and switches to the red and black and hyroglyphics (Final up at LostLinks)
4. Torture/interrogation scene (Pen and RVT's draft available)
5. When Henry is found in the trap (Doc)

Maternity Leave
1. Beeping sound in Claire Medical Bunker FB, reminiscent of Swan Bunker timer beeping sound
2. Possible train sound when the women approach the new bunker
3. Siren sound right before Claire turns on mobile in FB
4. Intro into Claire's flashes of memory: alarm/siren followed by "fvvp" sound and then something playing backwards?
5. Locke and Henry scene
6. Eko and Henry scene

The Whole Truth
1. AL and Henry interrogation scene
2. Cereal scene

Lockdown
1. The intercom (Pen/RVT Part 1 combined draft (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=944253&postcount=1264) available)
2. The hatch map reveal

Dave
1. Sayid and AL interrogation of "Henry" scene
2. Locke and Henry scene
3. Cliff scene
4. Libby Santa Rosa Mental Health scene

SOS
1. Kate and Jack in the rain
2. Jack and "Henry" scene--Henry scoffs at Jack or...?
3. Michael's return
4. Bernard speaking to girl outside at the healer's--what is he saying?

Two for the Road
1. Pronounced humming and beeping from hatch computer during Jack/Locke scene
2. Fenry mumbling to AL
3. Michael's return

?
1. Autopsy tape (RVT/Pen final transcript)
2. Snow on tv in Pearl
3. Eko's dream, switching from AL to Eko awake
4. Pearl station video
5. Locke's dream
6. "He's got the map"? before Locke puts map in pneumatic tube?
7. Ana's voice in Eko's dream

3 minutes
1. Eko sitting at the computer--water dripping, loudspeaker noise?

Live Together, Die Alone
1. Whispers in the jungle (In Progress: RVT and Pen)
2. When Eko is throwing Locke out of the hatch
3. When Michael confesses to H/J/K/S about 53:00 mins. in
4. Right before Desmond and Kelvin fight, Desmond loses sight of Kelvin, possible whispering
5. When Charlie can't hear, after the explosion (Doc)
6. When Kate approaches Jack to talk about the boat: audio is played forward (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s2e23/2.23-BoatDiscussion.mp3) and then the same audio is reversed (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s2e23/2.23-BoatDiscussion-Rev.mp3) (Doc)

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:05 PM

Season 1

Pilot 1
1. Monster at Beach (RVT's draft available)
2. Monster at Cockpit (RVT's draft available)
3. Possible whispers when Kate hides from monster in trees (RVT's draft available)
4. Plane breaking apart sound--sound is similar to monster
5. Opening scene--Jack in the jungle--metallic sound after bird crows? (Doc)
6. After Cindy gives Jack the 2 bottles: overlapping whispers with Jack's line "...critical FAA regulartions.", pouring drink and drinking? (Doc) / Kate talking to the Marshall (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/pilot2/1.2-Kate-Marshall.mp3) (Doc) / Charlie ring-tapping when he needs a fix on the plane (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/pilot2/pilot-part2-charlie-flashback.mp3)(Doc)
7. After transcripts already created, when Kate's in tree, Charlie and Kate go to look for Jack, Charlie hears something and looks around for it--a scream or a bird or more hidden audio?

Pilot 2
1. Polar Bear killed by Sawyer (RVT's draft available)
2. Walt finds the handcuffs--high pitched screaming (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/pilot2/1.2-Walt-Handcuffs.mp3) (Doc)

Tabula Rasa
1. Michael is looking for Vincent and an animal, maybe a boar?, starts after him making animal sounds
2. Monster growl sound on Locke's face at very end of episode

Walkabout
1. Monster approaching Locke

White Rabbit
1. Scream when Jack is bashing the casket (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e5/whiterabbit-scream.mp3)(Doc)

House of the Rising Sun
1. Possible whispering when Jack & Kate enter the caves for the first time (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e6/1.6-Caves.mp3) (Doc)

The Moth
1. Charlie's encounter with the boar

Solitary
1. Sayid in the Jungle Whispers (Finalized)

Raised By Another
1. Claire's opening dream (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e10/1.10-ClaireDream.mp3)(Doc)
2. Claire attacked/dream of being attacked with needle (Doc)

All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues
1. Jack and Kate looking for Claire and Charlie:
a) Jack thinks he hears Claire scream but Kate doesn't hear it--sounds kind of like a scream or a bird
b) Could the rain be hiding Whispers?
c) Ethan fights Jack--any Whisper hints as to whether or not Ethan is a hallucination caused by Jack hitting his head, or maybe a hint as to whether the Others control the weather/rain?

Whatever The Case May Be
1. Possible whispers just before Kate & Sawyer find waterfall (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e12/1.12-Waterfall.mp3) and Second clip about 10 seconds later (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e12/1.12-Waterfall2.mp3)(Doc)
2. Jack and Sayid arguing on the beach (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e12/1.12-Jack-Sayid.mp3)(Doc)

Hearts and Minds
1. The monster in Boone's hallucination, when Shannon is killed and immediately before he hears the monster--when he realizes that Shannon is tied up

Special
1. Polar Bear attacking Walt (Both drafts available)
2. Vincent barking before polar bear attack (Doc)
3. Knife-throwing scene (timdorr found hidden audio) (http://timdorr.com/download/Special.Walt.Center.wav)

Homecoming
1. Claire returns--Tabby's post (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=947823&postcount=1315)on why this scene is interesting (Doc)

Outlaws
1. Sawyer on the Beach (Finalized)
2. Sawyer in the Jungle (Finalized)
3. Boars bothering Sawyer
a) When he's sleeping on the beach
b) Taunting the baby piglet
c) Big one runs him into the mud

...In Translation
1. 30 mins., 35 secs. in: Vincent sniffing burnt raft

Deus Ex Machina
1. Locke's dream with the beechcraft crashing and Boone saying "Theresa falls up the stairs"
2. Boone's radio transmission

Do No Harm
1. Jin hears Claire screaming in the jungle--camera circles him (Doc)

Exodus 1, 2 & 3
1. Monster chasing Losties in DarkTerritories
2. Monster grabbing Locke
3. Vincent barking goodbye to Walt/raft
4. "Hurley bird" screeching in DarkTerritory
5. M, J, S, W on the raft. They just see the signal. Sawyer says, "That what I think it is?" And Michael says, "Something's out there." Then you may be able to hear "warning" or at least a woman's voice saying something. (nsg2006 found; Doc/RVT confirm (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s1e24/1.24-Raft.mp3))

Season 1 DVD Menus
1. See this post (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=832606&postcount=480) for more information

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:06 PM

Secondary Checklist

This post has been updated to reflect scenes that have been suggested for analysis, that have not been included in the main to-do list. These are in no particular order. Please see post #4 for an explanation for the reasoning behind this. Feel free to PM or post with more ideas to fill out the list. Thank you!

Rain scenes
1. Homecoming (Claire brought to Ethan to trap him)
2. The Long Con (Charlie grabs Sun)
3. Maternity Leave (Kate/Claire/Danielle in the jungle)
4. The Greater Good (Shannon tries to shoot Locke)
5. Live Together, Die Alone (Desmond washing up on the beach flashback)

Walt in jungle scenes
1. The Greater Good (telling Locke not to open the hatch)

Other jungle noise scenes
1. All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues (Charlie hanging scene)
2. The Whole Truth (Ana-Lucia/Sayid scene where it thundered and she said "It's gonna rain")
3. The Whole Truth (Jin approaching Sun's garden, rustling grass)

Vincent scenes (non-barking)
1. The Long Con (with Sun)
2. The Hunting Party (with Ana Lucia)
3. Abandoned (with Shannon)
4. Maternity Leave (with Libby and Hurley)

Other animal scenes
1. Walkabout (opening boar scene)
2. House of the Rising Sun (bees attacking Kate/Jack/Locke/Charlie)
3. Homecoming (Jin and Charlie - bird sounds and rock throwing)

Visions of Christian on the island (ice clinking sounds?)
1. White Rabbit
2. Walkabout

Michael and Walt computer communications (computer beeps?)
1. What Kate Did
2. The 23rd Psalm

Other scenes involving the computer or some other media
1. What Kate Did (video in background with footage of Sayid)
2. Orientation (computer gets shot in confrontation with Desmond)
3. Orientation (Dharma Initiative orientation film)
4. Orientation (Desmond says "Did you hear that?" while Locke is typing the numbers)
5. ... In Translation (scene with Mr. Paik's tv screens)
6. Lockdown (per penyours: beeping and flipping noises)
7. S.O.S. (per zattheran: after locke enters the numbers, you can hear computer noises, there is a point at the end that sounds like a fax.)

Weird Locke scenes
1. Pilot (Kate removing boots and Locke orange peel smile)
2. Fire + Water (music during pan of Locke looking at Kate/Charlie/Claire)

Gunshot scenes:
1. Charlie shoots Ethan
2. Shannon shoots Locke

Other
1. What Kate Did (Sawyer channeling Wayne)
2. Do No Harm (Aaron's birth, baby crying sounds)
3. Pilot pt 2 (possible whispers while Kate and the marshall are talking and as the plane starts to break apart)
4. Two for the Road (dripping water after Libby is shot)

Non-episode specific:
1. Opening music over Lost title
2. Various hatch scenes?

DrShephard

07-27-2006, 10:07 PM

Season 3 checklist. (Dual effort by myself and Jennylee27)

Please post in the thread if there are other scenes you'd like to have explored by our audio whizzes.
You need to hear something out of the ordinary for it to be added to the checklist. We might have to tell you that for now we are going to leave it off of the main checklist. If we think it could possibly be explored in the future, it will be listed in the secondary to-do list (post #7). If new reasons arise to add your idea to this list, we will. Thank you for your understanding.

If there is nothing in parantheses, the scene has yet to be explored. If there are parentheses, here are the options:
a) Nothing found (struckthrough, with name of who analyzed the scene)
b) Audio found (with link to audio and name of who analyzed the scene)
c) Work In Progress by someone (usually Pen and/or RVT)
d) Draft Available (Pen and/or RVT)
e) Finalized (up at LostLinks and the LLL)
Links in the checklist take you to the post where hidden audio is noted to be found/not found, or where the draft/final transcript was posted in the thread.

Lastly, when something is "final," it is unlikely to be visited again anytime soon, but that doesn't mean it won't ever change again. You never know!

Season 3

Tale of Two Cities
1. Juliet's "Downtown" recording
2. Others' frantic talk while the plane is crashing (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1345487&postcount=946) (pen's draft is posted)
3. Jack listening to Moonlight Serenade while watching Sarah from the car
4. Jack hearing his father's voice on the loudspeaker (Finalized. Transcript in this thread) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1205508&postcount=235)
5. Jack asks Juliet if Sarah is happy (penyours: no hidden audio) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1199937&postcount=208)

Glass Ballerina
1. Colleen whispers in Pickett's ear (not strict hidden audio per se, but the dialogue has been transcribed.) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1209872&postcount=250)
2. The Others board the Elizabeth (penyours: hidden audio found) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1211543&postcount=267)
3. Sun shoots Colleen (penyours: hidden audio found) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1245764&postcount=528)
4. Juliet flirts with cute Other, plus hidden audio at same time (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1222341&postcount=346)
5. Alex in the woods with Kate (penyours: hidden audio found) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1223256&postcount=357)

Further Instructions
1. Locke in the sweat lodge with Boone; Sawyer's lines, same ones he says in EMFH (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1354585#post1354585); Locke's vision of the airport (pen's drafts available, all in one post) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1354585#post1354585)
2. Polar bear growls - bear chasing Locke and Charlie
3. Polar bear growls - in the cave
4. After Charlie and Locke exit the bear cave, Locke is heard "We have to get out of here, Charlie" (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1228757&postcount=402)

Every Man for Himself
1. Sawyer's voice/screaming on Jack's intercom
2. Pickett's radio when he learns about Colleen, plus hidden audio (pen's draft available) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1356718#post1356718)
3. Jack's intercom before Juliet gets him to operate on Colleen (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1242971&postcount=503)
4. When Kate says "I only said that so they'd stop hitting you".
5. Tom and Ben talking when Sawyer wakes up (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1245122&postcount=515)
6. TV monitor scene with Ben and Tom (penyours: hidden audio found) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1245764&postcount=528)

The Cost of Living
1. All Smokey scenes
2. Funeral scene, what Ben says off camera (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1266152&postcount=662)
3. Ben and Jack surgery discussion, has smokey low growl (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1260712&postcount=600)
4. Whisper just after Eko says "The Lord is my shephard, I shall not want" (rvturnage) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1258781&postcount=581)
5. Eko's dying whisper to Locke (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1259406&postcount=588)

I Do
1. Sawyer throwing rocks at the fishbiscuit machine (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1317183&postcount=874)
2. Juliet and Pickett's conversation overheard by Kate (Finalized) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1314278&postcount=867)
3. The compound breach alarm about Alex (pen's draft available) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1358451#post1358451)
4. The intercom scene with Jack and Alex's voice

Not in Portland
1. Karl's brainwashing video (hidden audio found by JungleLocke); (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1366299&postcount=1050)(also, audio by penyours) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1370019&postcount=1078)
2. Juliet talking to Ben post surgery (penyours: no hidden audio) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1370670&postcount=1082)

Flashes Before Your Eyes
1. Desmond realizing Claire is drowning
2. Desmond waking up in his flat
3. Desmond naked in the jungle
4. Microwave beeping
5. Make Your Own Kind of Music
6. Desmond at the newstand (pen: hidden audio found)
7. Desmond talking to Ms. Hawking while holding the ring (similar whispers to Lord of the Rings) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1387283&postcount=1194)
8. Desmond tosses the ring into the river (pen's final available) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1396477&postcount=1246)
9. Desmond meeting Charlie in London (sounds like "system failure" message from hatch)

Tricia Tanaka is Dead
1. Just before Hurley and Charlie avoid hitting the rocks in the van
2. Kate picks up Danielle's net in the jungle

Enter 77
1. Sayid approaching the Flame station

The Man From Tallahassee
1. Machinery sounds during Peter Talbot's speech to Locke
2. Jack and Juliet's conversation in Otherville, with the Losties looking on

Left Behind
1. Both Smokey scenes (trees and sonic fence)
2. Juliet and Kate wake up in the jungle

Catch-22
1. Desmond tackling Charlie (saving his life--yet again!)
2. Jack and Juliet's dinner conversation (enhancement only)
3. Helicopter sound (enchancement only)
4. Desmond's voice just before Jin yells, "Save him!" (different language? garbled audio?)
5. Possible backwards or distorted audio in Desmond's first set of "flashes"

The Brig
1. Ben gives Locke the knife to kill his father

The Man Behind the Curtain
1. Young Ben's mom appears at the window
2. Young Ben in front of the sonic fence (Drafts from both Pen and RVT available) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1549013&postcount=1675)
3. Young Ben in the woods, just before meeting Alpert
4. Jacob!
5. Cry, when Ben lights lantern in front of Jacob's house of horrors

Through the Looking Glass
1. Walt!
2. Jack on the bridge

DrShephard

07-27-2006, 10:07 PM

The Whispers and Hidden Audio Master Theory List (Started November 18, 2006)

Do you have a theory on what lies behind either the whispers or hidden audio? We'd love to hear it! Theories will be categorized and listed in this post, but please note there are a few short guidelines (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1285077&postcount=765).

The list will take a little while to grow, but thus far our readers have theorized that the whispers are:

...a parapsychology component of the original DHARMA Initiative (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1285255#post1285255). (Submitted by JeremyBender)

...not commentary, but actual side-effects from Others projecting themselves across the island (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1235170&postcount=430). (Submitted by DrShephard)

...symptomatic of electronic voice phenomena (EVP) (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1295400&postcount=830). (Submitted by FancyFace)

...the result of our castaways accessing another plane of existence (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1297110&postcount=843). (Submitted by Dragonwife)

...heard by someone at a control board, "tuning" or scanning through the castaways' speech and/or thoughts (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1224342&postcount=367). (Submitted by TabbyRasa)

...directly tied to memories and/or energy from those that have died on the island (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1329844&postcount=896). (Submitted by Carlo210)

...produced by Smokey, which is actually a constantly-evolving form of artificial intelligence created by the DHARMA Initiative (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1331602&postcount=900). (Submitted by Justjared)

...the voices of children hiding beneath the jungle, images scattered throughout the foliage (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1355508&postcount=42). (Submitted by lucky4me8)

...possibly those of observers commenting on our survivors, as part of a very well-financed game (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1597052&postcount=1808). (Submitted by SpamGoddes)

...side effects of Smokey scanning the memories of our castaways (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1695264#post1695264). (Submitted by DrShephard)

...by-products of a transportation system (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1819815&postcount=2281). (Submitted by Michaud)

What do you believe?

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:08 PM

Quotes from TPTB

(If you know of quotes that aren’t listed here, please let me know. I’d like to have them all listed here for reference.)

Each response is slightly different, so have fun reading each one!

Javier "Javi" Grillo-Marxauch (Writer, Supervising Producer) discusses the Whispers on 3/6/05 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=7275)
Matt "Raggs" Ragghianti (Writer's Assistant) confirms on 3/7/05 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=8197) that we “should definitely pay attention to the whispers” because “they play a part in a much larger mystery…of the island and ALL of it’s[sic]…`features.’”
Raggs reiterates this thought on 3/27/05 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=8200)
Javi says they make the whispers "cryptic" on 11/26/05 (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=26850)
Javi answers questions about the Whispers from our own RVT on 12/9/05 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=29026)
Javi answers yet another question about the importance of the Whispers on 2/11/06 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=36272)
In the May/June 2006 LOST: Official Magazine Issue (#4), Javi answers a question about the Whispers! Here's the quote:
Q: Will it become clearer what the whispers on the wind mean? Javi: That falls into the mysterious nature of the Others, and as their mysteries begin to unfold, some of those things that we've planned around them will be explained. The fans want to know if you slow it down, and filter through an audio program, will you get important clues about the show... and the only answer I can give to that is, well, slow it down, filter it through an audio program, and see if you get important clues about the show [laughs]!
Gregg Nations (Script Coordinator) answers a question about the hidden audio on 4/21/06 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=45268)
Gregg answers MY QUESTION (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=45688) regarding the the existence of the Whispers in the scripts, script security, script revisions, who writes the whispers and much more! (4/24/06)
Gregg answers another question (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=56516) about Whispers in the scripts. (8/23/06)

And, we’re famous! :wink1:Whispers in the Media or Greater Lost Fandom:

Thanks to Todell for giving us a big shout out in her Houston Chronicle blog!
Link (http://blogs.chron.com/tubular/archives/2009/01/lost_purple_haz_1.html)

Dateline ABC 10/17/106 (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/print?id=2553741):

TAPPER: I was amazed to find out in my research that the incomprehensible whispers of The Others are actual lines you've written -- people actually saying things and viewers are downloading and listening carefully over and over and over and deciphering what they're saying. Or that when Walt appeared as an apparition to Shannon he said something that if you play it backwards Beatles style, you could hear what he was saying.

CUSE: He's saying: "Watch 'Nightline.'"
TAPPER: I wondered why our ratings were up.
In this 2/19/06 AccessAtlanta.com article (http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/content/entertainment/stories/0219lostlists.html), Pen and RVT's Whispers transcripts are quoted!! (They weren't credited with the transcriptions, but, well, we know where the credit is due. :biggrin: )

Nikki Stafford's Finding Lost: The Unofficial Guide credits RVT and Pen. You can purchase the book through Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1550227432/ref=nosim?tag=thefuselage-20&creative=373489&camp=211189&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=1550227432). richlost says that there are Whispers transcripts in the book, as well as:

"Thank you to RVTurnage and PenYours for allowing their whisper transcripts to be reprinted in the book."
LostCasts (awesome, unofficial Lost Podcast)#8 (http://www.lostcasts.com/2005/11/podcast_8_is_li.html) discusses the very early Abandoned Whispers transcripts that penyours analyzed. And #21 (http://www.lostcasts.com/2006/03/lostcasts_21_re.html) discusses this thread in depth! Credit is given to Pen and RVT; the One of Them transcripts are read; my Javi and Raggs quotes are read; and Pen and jaybird are quoted. Credit goes to Jenni Lou for being our LostCasts follower who even recommended to them that they read the thread and talk about it. It's awesome to be discussed on such a well-known Lost site/Podcast. Hopefully we got new readers and posters because of it!

CONFIRMATION THAT HIDDEN AUDIO DOES EXIST ON LOST!!!:
From Home Theater Magazine (courtesy of ADoseOfYou):
Page 1 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/ADoseOfYou/HTMagMar2007One.jpg)
Page 2 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c286/ADoseOfYou/HTMagMar2007Two.jpg)

Scott Weber, Rerecording Mixer, re: the Monster sounds: "Each time we use the sound, we add something to it, so the monster's sound continues to evolve. There are hidden message in its sound."

Question: Do you guys have an inside dope about where Lost is headed?
Tom de Gorter, Supervising Sound Editor: "They do give us advance knowledge on certain story lines we need to know about, but we can't talk about them. I will say there are sound effects in some episodes that provide clues about stuff that will be revealed later on. You could call them Easter eggs for very careful listeners."

jennylee27

07-27-2006, 10:11 PM

(Originally written by DrShephard)

Here is the master list of gathered observations from the transcribed whispers and hidden audio thus far. It's essentially driven by a desire to answer the question: what happens when all of these voices are looked at from a big picture perspective? When they're all tied in together, what do they tell us? What do we know, as best we can determine?

I've broken down the audio into six categories: Invasion/Security Concerns, Entity Controlling, Vindictiveness, Sensory, Boone (yes, Boone), and Other Clues. For each, I've listed what I feel are the most enlightening phrases and the facts that can be drawn from them. At this time, this does not include the interrogation and Lockdown scenes from Season 2...only those voices from the monster, polar bear, and actual whispers. I also did not include the polar bear voices from Special because these produced different versions from Pen and RVT. Those can certainly be added later, though.

[Hidden audio is underlined, while all other voices are whispers.]

Invasion/Security Concerns
They're ruining the plan (Pilot-Monster)
You know crash victims...can't keep them secret (Pilot-Monster)
There's no telling when they'll leave (Pilot-Monster)
Look, now they've found another one (Pilot-Monster)
Don't let them go free (Pilot-Monster)
Security Issue (Solitary)
There goes another poking his head in here (Outlaws)
Intruder, Intruder (Outlaws)Entity Controlling
Go for control of the window, we'll cover you (Pilot-Monster)
Bet that lightning bolt scared her (Pilot-Monster)
No way he can stop me, the bullets too weak (Pilot-Bear)
Won't be able to repair it (Pilot-Bear)
Grab it right now (Fire+Water-Dream)
Let's get him moving (Fire+Water-Dream)
Why are we doing this (Fire+Water-Dream)
Ana's the trigger...You're gonna kill her...[gun shot]...see ya (The Other 48 Days)Vindictiveness
Make him run for his life (Pilot-Monster)
Do you like the way you left him to be eaten (Pilot-Monster)
What we're gonna do is separate you (Pilot-Monster)
Kill the pilot, chase them away (Pilot-Monster)
He will die tonight (Fire+Water-Dream)
Your life and time is up (The Other 48 Days)Sensory
Interference...hello...can you hear? (Pilot-Monster)
Somebody is...walking behind us (Man of Science, Man of Faith)
Right beside us in a minute (Man of Science, Man of Faith)
Relax, she's not behind us (Man of Science, Man of Faith)
He's right behind me (Solitary)
Did he see us? (Outlaws)
Did you see what direction he went? (Outlaws)
I want to get closer (Outlaws)
What if he shoots us or something (Outlaws)
Hide against the bushes (Outlaws)
I'm in someone's dream (Abandoned)
Hide behind me (Abandoned)
I don't know if I can run, but I can (or can't) yell (Abandoned)
We should hide, we should run (Abandoned)
Hide the scope (Abandoned)Boone
Hi sis (Abandoned)
She drives me crazy (Abandoned)
Shannon, meet me on the other side (The Other 48 Days)
I don't think you should tell her when she comes (The Other 48 Days)
I want to see Shannon (The Other 48 Days)Other Clues
Try and get to the tower (Pilot-Monster)
Black rock (Man of Science, Man of Faith) (Abandoned)
It's the eye (Man of Science, Man of Faith, numerous times)
I can see eye to eye (Abandoned)
Is she 815 (Man of Science, Man of Faith)
You have no idea how he got here? (Solitary)
Standing orders (Solitary)
It'll come back around (Outlaws, Frank Duckett's voice)
Dennis, find out what's going on (Outlaws)
I know what it's like for a plane to crash (Outlaws)
I knew he was American (Outlaws)
She's heavy (Abandoned)
Bring the boy (Abandoned)
Who's this in the woods...Sawyer...Ana (Abandoned)
It's the brothers that help us (Abandoned)
Dying sucks (Abandoned)Now, for the fun part! Shall we take the above whispers/hidden audio and see what it tells us? Again, assuming the transcripts are correct, what do we know about the voices on the island?

Invasion/Security Concerns
Ongoing island activities that were both threatened and interrupted
Plane crash was not caused purposely
Afraid the survivors will escape
Obviously something is under strong protectionEntity Controlling
Direct control of Smokey
Direct control of weather (at least lightning)
Direct control of polar bear
Polar bear either mechanical or of enhanced genetic design (strength)
Able to manipulate people
Questioning higher controlling power
Strong suggestion of causing Ana to shoot ShannonVindictiveness
Wish to intimidate and terrorize crash survivors
Wish to cause mental suffering in survivors
Taunting
Wish to cause death to at least some survivors
Knowledge of impending deathsSensory
Use of communication device between whisperers (transmission)
Physical presence very close to survivors
Invisible
Feel strongly that they can be seen under certain circumstances/proximity
Feel they can be physically harmed
Can read minds, even in subconscious/dreams
More than one whisperer physically present in some scenes
Sometimes limited in voice and/or mobility (often seem to be helplessly stationary)
Can hide in surroundings
May use scope for visual referenceBoone
Possible evidence that Boone is one of the whisperers
Shannon caused significant emotion in at least one whisperer, both attraction and frustration
Possible suggestion that this whisperer helped cause Shannon's death (see Entity Controlling)
Reference to Shannon coming into contact with whisperers after deathOther Clues
Are in control of radio tower
Many references to eyes/eye contact
Some whisperers are less informed than others
Some whisperers may believe they are dead
Familiarity with names and histories of at least some survivors
Reference to brothers providing assistance could tie into ABC diary
Can carry physical weight
Receive orders from higher power

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:12 PM

Season 4

Please post in the thread if there are other scenes you'd like to have explored by our audio whizzes.
You need to hear something out of the ordinary for it to be added to the checklist. We might have to tell you that for now we are going to leave it off of the main checklist. If we think it could possibly be explored in the future, it will be listed in the secondary to-do list (post #7). If new reasons arise to add your idea to this list, we will. Thank you for your understanding.

If there is nothing in parantheses, the scene has yet to be explored. If there are parentheses, here are the options:
a) Nothing found (struckthrough, with name of who analyzed the scene)
b) Audio found (with link to audio and name of who analyzed the scene)
c) Work In Progress by someone (name of who analyzed the scene)
d) Draft Available (name of who analyzed the scene)
e) Finalized (up at LostLinks and the LLL)

Lastly, when something is "final," it is unlikely to be visited again anytime soon, but that doesn't mean it won't ever change again. You never know!

The Beginning of the End
1. Hurley at Jacob's shack (draft by Pythagoras99 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1754465&postcount=2095), audio here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1754700&postcount=2098)) (OR alternate audio and draft transcript available at DarkUFO (http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com/2008/02/whispers-near-jacobs-cabin.html))
2. Oceanic "lawyer" visits Hurley
3. Charlie visits Hurley

Confirmed Dead
1. Ben shoots Charlotte (possible hidden audio?)
2. Miles at the grandmother's house
3. Miles talks to Naomi's body

The Economist
1. Sayid enters the cafe in Berlin (determined to be part of the music (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1771035&postcount=2151))

The Constant
1. Static during Desmond and Penny's phone call (possible hidden audio)

The Other Woman
1. Whispers when Juliet and Jack see Harper in the woods (audio here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1805136&postcount=2227))
2. Loudspeaker at The Tempest when Juliet arrives

Meet Kevin Johnson
1. Michael sees Libby in the hospital
2. Michael is about to press execute on the bomb
3. Karl says something is not right before he is shot

The Shape of Things to Come
1. Smokey attacks the freighties

Something Nice Back Home
1. Miles "sees" Karl and Danielle's murders (link to audio here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1869810&postcount=2331))

There's No Place Like Home (part I)
1. Sounds of Hurley's surprise party (link to audio here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1898821&postcount=2344))

There's No Place Like Home (parts II and III)
1. Whispers when the Others and Kate and Sayid set up Keamy in order to rescue Ben
2. Whispers when Michael is alone with the C4...right before Christian appears
3. Sawyer whispering into Kate's ear (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1910969&postcount=9)
4. Kate's FF phone call (link to audio here (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=1912304&postcount=2354))

Sam G

07-27-2006, 10:18 PM

gusthepolarbear

07-27-2006, 10:22 PM

this is great it should get stickied soon. its so comprehensive the only thing i noticed is the color thingys around the stuff from vips but im sure you'll clear that up all in good time.

Lostfanaddict

07-27-2006, 10:50 PM

Oh yay! I get to be one of the first ones play in the new thread!!

THoughts, thoughts thoughts....had a BUNCH today I thought I'd share. ;)

In ....and found: When Mr. Eko and Jin are out in the jungle looking for Michael right before we get our real first glance at "the others" (the shot with the dirty bare feet/legs walking past a hidden Jin and Mr. Ecko). I noticed that Mr. Ecko makes a remark to Jin that "they never leave a trail". Then I noticed the kid with the teddybear and wondered if maybe these others are not connected to the "henry others". AND maybe the kid (even though it seems it was one on the plane) was the one of the children heard in the whispers? The "never leave a trail" part gave me the heebie jeebs cause what if they are apparations like Jack's father then? Sort of ghost type or...remotely projecting themselves? And remember that Goodwin very creepily said to anna when she asked where the kids were he said something like...they're much better off now. or in a better place. hmm. LIKE DEAD. i donno. What if they are experimenting with death? What if they are trying to figure out how to bring back the dead?

Also I think in one of the threads I read someone noticed that Sayid tripped over something that could of been a the scope they were talking about in Abandon but I noticed so did Shannon right before she hears the whispers....that thought said leads me to: What if the others are watching them with these scopes from underneath the island IN an underwater facility? Im sure someone has mentioned that but I have not found it yet so I thought Id throw it out there anyways. And if they have such a facility then what made sense to me is that Walt appeared to Shannon all dripping wet because at the time he was underwater in that facility.

And one more to share: On the "others" (whoever they all are) being able to get in when the mind is weak, I noticed in the ep "What Kate Did" IF that be the case then both Kate and Sawyer were in a very weakened state of mind and both open to say spirits such as her dead father (Waynegoboom) to speak through Sawyer. OR the others making her think it was her dead father speaking through Sawyer. I dont know about you guys but Im sorta hoping theres some sort of connection to dead spirits/hell on the island...cause talk about CREEPY. And I sorta like the creepzone myself.

Questions, questions....
directions DIRECTIONS....makes your mind hurt if you think about all the 'what ifs' for too long!!

Looks great guys! I really appreciate all your hard work to keep this all organized being all new and all. It REALLY does help get you caught up fast. :cool:

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 10:56 PM

Thanks Sam and Gus. Good to see you here! It was pretty nice to open the new thread in the dead of summer. Didn't have to worry about posters sneaking in and posting before we could finish up our order of first posts. :rolleyes:

Took me a few minutes to fix some of the hick-ups of copy and pasting from Word to the Fuse, which is what Gus was saying about the weird html language. But it's all fixed now. If any links are broken due to copy and pasting, let me know, but I've checked most of them.

And just a reminder to everyone to change your links in your signature to the link for the new thread. And if you aren't doing it already, feel free to add a little :walkman: to it too.
:biggrin:

And as Sam said :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :punk: :punk: :punk: :champagn: :champagn: :champagn: :champagn:
Party on. Rock on. Whisper on.

Jenni Lou

07-27-2006, 11:08 PM

LostLaura

07-27-2006, 11:12 PM

Thanks for the PM, jennylee! I have changed my signature link. I haven't been around much this summer, what with the no new episodes and the baby on the way but I hope to be back for s3! Provided the baby doesn't take too much of my time. She's due around the s3 start date! :eek: So only time will tell...

Stay Lost, y'all! And big hello to all my whisper peeps! :poking:

Jenni Lou, stay good and healthy. We miss you and can't wait to see you more at S3. :cool:

Jenny, I didn't get a PM! :lol2: Can I be added to the list? :rolleyes:

Special thanks to shootfire for unstickying our old thread and stickying the new one. :walkman:

DrShephard

07-27-2006, 11:15 PM

Welcome to the new thread, everyone! We certainly hope you enjoy it.

LFA, I've long been torn about the influence that spirits, death, or anything similar has on the island. On one hand, it would definitely be creepy in a good way (you're right about that), but at the same time I don't really want it to be supernatural. As if what I want matters. ;) I was in on the Sayid/scope discussion back when it happened, and there's still something to this theory that pulls at me. At the time, I also felt that the whispers might actual be some kind of physical projections of sound from an underground facility. But as with everything, nothing seems to add up to the right solution.

Always things to think about...

penyours

07-27-2006, 11:19 PM

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :prtytime: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :goof:
Whoooooo! You all look fantastic! I'm lucky #13
:champagn: :champagn: Time to christen this baby. :champagn: :champagn:

whoa, the smilies just keep getting better and better on the board! Pom pom smilies and a rabbit that wiggles it's butt!!! :D

Also I think in one of the threads I read someone noticed that Sayid tripped over something that could of been a the scope they were talking about in Abandon but I noticed so did Shannon right before she hears the whispers....that thought said leads me to: What if the others are watching them with these scopes from underneath the island IN an underwater facility? Im sure someone has mentioned that but I have not found it yet so I thought Id throw it out there anyways. And if they have such a facility then what made sense to me is that Walt appeared to Shannon all dripping wet because at the time he was underwater in that facility.
Oh yeah Shannon does fall at one point, I hadn't thought about whether she tripped on a pipe as well. There are quite a lot of scenes where our Losties randomly trip on something and fall, I wonder if there is an extensive pipe/scope system on the ground.

Thanks for the PM, jennylee! I have changed my signature link. I haven't been around much this summer, what with the no new episodes and the baby on the way but I hope to be back for s3! Provided the baby doesn't take too much of my time. She's due around the s3 start date! :eek: So only time will tell...

Stay Lost, y'all! And big hello to all my whisper peeps! :poking:
Hey Jenni Lou! Good to hear from you, hope you and the baby are doing well!

And I'd also like to thank shootfire for putting a sticky on the thread!

everblue3

07-27-2006, 11:40 PM

It's so...shiny...and bright...and it even has that New Thread SmellTM I've been hearing about.:ntworthy:

Nothing real to contribute other than the usual fangirling and overall adoration for those many who give us hours of entertainment, food for thought, and general opportunities to eschew other work. We, your adoring public, salute you! :clapping:

Lostfanaddict

07-28-2006, 12:00 AM

There are quite a lot of scenes where our Losties randomly trip on something and fall, I wonder if there is an extensive pipe/scope system on the ground.

Pen
Ooo you're right there ARE a lot of scenes where they fall down and go boom. And here we were probably watching and supposing the losteess were just alittle clutzy....BUT maybe not.....

I wanted to tell you that i ran across the posts the other day about your GIGANTIC shout out in LTDA. So cool. Now when I watch that scene it's just WOW...thats SO. FREEKIN cool of them. AND I really love how the creators of this show do really wonderful things like that for really ALL their fans in different ways. They love us. ITs so cool.

I'll share my experience with them that has always made me feel loved....

When the show first started the only board to post on was the ABC one...as im sure many of us know. ANyway. Not too long after the first ep David Fury began to post on that board and OF COURSE got totally harrassed by quite a few rude posters who just WOULD NOT believe it was him. AND I did. Cause I was a long time buffy fan and already had my own experience there with the creators involvement...anyway...long story short...on one of the posts he was being harrassed on (and getting quite upset by the harassers) I sorta tried to COME to his RESCUE and explain to new lost fans how it was very much like David to post on a fan message board...told them about the bronze and how the creators posted there and how we never questioned it because it was set up where they came in and posted in special colors so we knew it was them...and how cool it would be to have that with LOST and......I SWEAR TO GOD....the FUselage was BORN that night! David posted about the birth of it after my post in THAT thread. (it was almost like a....YEAH....I'll show them...act on his part) AND I got to be one of the first ones on the lineir board that night and got to talk to not only DAVID but Damon and JJ and Burkey and Whao...so cool.

They so love us....
hehee
LFA

gumpy5

07-28-2006, 12:38 AM

Alright, new thread!
Wow.. I think this is the first time that I've posted all summer :redface:

Keep up the good work, guys!

TabbyRasa

07-28-2006, 12:43 AM

:jump1: :clapping: :clap: :ntworthy:

:cool: :cool: :cool:

fancyface

07-28-2006, 01:17 AM

Ok I finally made my way thru the jungle :whew: to get to our new home.
Loved your story about The Lage Lostfanaddict

dragonwife

07-28-2006, 02:31 AM

I go to work for a 7hr shift at the local Puff-in Stop (thank heeaavens it's only a summer job, January recess duty is looking real good right now:17:)... and when I come back... what do I find? There's a New Thread Party goin' on:eek:
Lookin' good!:clapping:

dragonwife

car88win

07-28-2006, 04:08 AM

Update for first post - Whispers L3 (http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major%20arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm#)

Den

07-28-2006, 05:26 AM

Oh yeah Shannon does fall at one point, I hadn't thought about whether she tripped on a pipe as well. There are quite a lot of scenes where our Losties randomly trip on something and fall, I wonder if there is an extensive pipe/scope system on the ground.

Not too much to wonder about -- remember the s2 premiere? Perescope and mirrors anyone? ;) Desmond certainly made use of such a system (even if it was somewhat limited in visibility and range).

Just a thought.

-Ryan

Quohadi

07-28-2006, 09:30 AM

About the frequent tripping...they are in a jungle...lots of roots sticking up and rocks and normal foresty-type things hidden under fallen leaves and such. I mean, there could very well be a system of periscopes and viewers and whatnot underneath the island, but it could also just be natural.
I am lovin' the new thread, thanks so much to everyone who works so hard!

rvturnage

07-28-2006, 09:40 AM

I gotta agree with Quohadi...while I definately saw something odd in the caps of Sayid when he fell...it's a jungle. My money is on most, if not all, being attributed to roots, rocks and stumps.

But there was definately something on the ground in those caps of Sayid...

rvt

jennylee27

07-28-2006, 01:17 PM

Thanks for all the good feedback everyone. It's great to see so many people show up to our new thread opening!
Thanks for the PM, jennylee! I have changed my signature link. I haven't been around much this summer, what with the no new episodes and the baby on the way but I hope to be back for s3! Provided the baby doesn't take too much of my time. She's due around the s3 start date! :eek: So only time will tell...

Stay Lost, y'all! And big hello to all my whisper peeps! :poking:
So Jenni, can we have a thread somewhere with all our suggestions for your baby's name? Like... Libby? (not that I know if you are having a boy or a girl...)
Jenny, I didn't get a PM! :lol2: Can I be added to the list? :rolleyes:
I actually didn't PM our thread organizers, because I figured you all knew there was a new thread!

imailicrazy

07-28-2006, 02:00 PM

Congrats on the birth of the new Whispers Thread all!:clap:

My vacations over and my house is redecorated :thumbsup: so I promise I'll get to work on the audio I've committed to next week. I apologize for putting it off for so long.

Once again, great job on the thread!!

penyours

07-28-2006, 02:41 PM

As jenny said, it's good to see folks come out to the new thread!

LFA that's a great story! What did you talk with TPTB about?

Update for first post - Whispers L3 (http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major%20arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm#)
Hey car, just wanted to say that the whispers page looks great! I love the inclusion of the pics!

Not too much to wonder about -- remember the s2 premiere? Perescope and mirrors anyone? ;) Desmond certainly made use of such a system (even if it was somewhat limited in visibility and range).

Just a thought.

-Ryan
true, true, It's definitely conceivable that there is piping around each hatch, now does that piping extend to other areas?

About the frequent tripping...they are in a jungle...lots of roots sticking up and rocks and normal foresty-type things hidden under fallen leaves and such. I mean, there could very well be a system of periscopes and viewers and whatnot underneath the island, but it could also just be natural.
I am lovin' the new thread, thanks so much to everyone who works so hard!
I gotta agree with Quohadi...while I definately saw something odd in the caps of Sayid when he fell...it's a jungle. My money is on most, if not all, being attributed to roots, rocks and stumps.

But there was definately something on the ground in those caps of Sayid...

rvt

Yup in this situation, the sane person would attribute all the falling to random jungle folliage. But the thing for me is I thought Sayid just tripped on a branch or slipped in the rain until people posted the screenshots. Has anyone actually gone and looked at screenshots where other losties have fallen? (Not that I'm expecting people to do this, just wondering :) ) Also, there's that big pipe that spit out the notebook tubes from the pearl hatch that just came out of the ground in the middle of no where, that shows it isn't beyond Dharma to have random things come out of the ground. Food for thought, I guess. And I have this feeling we'll get a much better idea about what's underground this season.

Congrats on the birth of the new Whispers Thread all!:clap:

My vacations over and my house is redecorated :thumbsup: so I promise I'll get to work on the audio I've committed to next week. I apologize for putting it off for so long.

Once again, great job on the thread!!
That's great imailicrazy, can't wait to hear! Oh and for everyone who checks this thread for transcripts, sorry it's taken a while for the LTDA whispers, summer has been busier than I expected, but we are in the process of finalizing them right now, so in the meantime just take a seat on the patio, kick back, and grab a foreign beer, margarita or a virgin pina colada or lemonade and enjoy the nice weather!

Sam G

07-28-2006, 03:36 PM

agent_X_orange

07-28-2006, 05:24 PM

LightMeDark

07-28-2006, 06:20 PM

Fantastic work everyone that's involved. I wonder how well I could hear the whispers with a high-end IEM...should be pretty interesting. I'll d/l some of the sound clips and give it a shot, for fun ;).

Vaughn

07-28-2006, 06:47 PM

DrShephard

07-28-2006, 07:27 PM

I just have a few questions:

How long has it been since the last dialog was released?

When/how many scenes have been checked off of the to-do list since the last dialog was released?

At the current rate, how long would it take to clear the to-do list?

Thanks,
Vaughn

PS: people have lives, are busy etc, I know that... I have not updated my site in 3 months... I Still would like to know those answers for myself and others that read the forum so they have proper expectations. Again, thanks.Well, we're in the middle of summer, and with Season 2 wrapping up many people (including our transcribers) have taken a much-needed break. So the answers to those questions really won't do much to set your expectations correctly--they'd just be a snapshot taken at the wrong time.

As Pen said, she and RVT are going to publish the finale whisper transcripts soon, and then we'll go from there. Also, as stated in one of the opening posts, Jenny has been kind enough to form a list for those that would like to be PM'ed when a new transcript is available. If you set your options up to e-mail you on PM, you can be alerted to new transcripts without even checking the thread. Not that it's the fun way to go, but it's an option she's created for you. ;)

Once we get into Season 3, and we also have the Season 2 DVD's in hand, I think we can do a much better job of setting expectations.

jennylee27

07-28-2006, 07:37 PM

DrShephard

07-28-2006, 07:56 PM

rvturnage

07-28-2006, 09:36 PM

Has anyone listened to the podcast from monster.com that you are directed to from dj dans site when you click on the picture of the dharma logo shark?
a caller tries to warn him to shut up and is giving out djs liscence plate # while dj talks over him. if someone where able to seperate the two voices im curious as what both voices are saying as they are talking over each other. heres the link:

http://podcast.monster.com/articles/conspiraspy/

agent X, I've done a little work on some TLE stuff, but not much...while I've been following it. I don't think that the audio work is worth the trouble personally. There's been too many inconsistancies in the visual clues, let alone bothering with the audio ones. Plus, we've got way too much stuff from the TV show to do.

I just have a few questions:

How long has it been since the last dialog was released?

When/how many scenes have been checked off of the to-do list since the last dialog was released?

At the current rate, how long would it take to clear the to-do list?

Thanks,
Vaughn

PS: people have lives, are busy etc, I know that... I have not updated my site in 3 months... I Still would like to know those answers for myself and others that read the forum so they have proper expectations. Again, thanks.

Vaughn...the last transcript we've finished was the autopsy tape on 5/16. As far as what's been checked off the to-do list, if you mean what have we transcribed but not posted...nothing. I believe Doc has gone through a few things on the list and found that there was nothing there to transcribe, though.

At the current rate, how long to complete the to do list? a few years. :biggrin: But the issue with the to-do list is that these are just scenes people think may have something...there may be nothing there.

Normally, it takes us a couple or three weeks to get a transcript up...but we've run into a lot of personal issues that have slowed us down over the last 6-7 months. Add to that the fact that a lot of those scenes, the hidden voices we discovered and the blast door stuff, are far more difficult than anything we'd worked on before, and it's been tough.

Pen is back home and rested up from her vacation :biggrin: and gotten started on her part of the LTDA whispers. We're as anxious as everyone to get them done. Believe me. We're finally getting a forward motion on them, so hopefully it won't be long.

In all honesty...I wouldn't look to having the "to do list" totally completed. I mean seriously...we're talking 3-4 hours a night, 3-5 nights a week, over the course of 2-3 weeks to get a minute or so of voices transcribed. The best we can really hope for is to keep up with obvious whisper scenes, and hopefully pick through the others and try to determine which scenes would be the most promising for information. There are some, though, that we owe to the original Whisperers, which I want to get to as well.

Hope that answers your questions. Sorry if it disappoints, but, seriously...when we started a "to do" list, I never intended on it to grow to the monster it has...

rvt

PS once again a giant shout out and thanks to Doc S for helping weed through that to-do list and joining on to help Laura and Jenny with the thread.

ETA: heheh and a giant shout out to Laura and Jenny for the great orginization/managerial duties with this thread! Also a great big shout out to everyone that posts in here and throws out ideas. Keep 'em coming!
100%
Personally, it just became a bit much to follow The Lost Experience for me. I did come across a site just last night which contains a ton of info on all of the clues found, so if you haven't seen it already:

http://thelostexperienceclues.blogspot.com

Haven't checked to see how much audio is there, but I had no idea so many documents, images, sound clips, and video clips have surfaced. Whoever is behind all of this must have a very active imagination.

Good luck! Hey Doc, I know you're busy, but if you're interested in the Lost Experience but don't want to play along, there's a great thread over at Lost-TV you should check out. It's called the Lost Experience ARG - Map and travel guide. (http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18384)

It's maintained by a mod, and locked so noone can clutter it up. The mod updates it regularly with all the latest information, complete with photos and links, so it's easy to keep up with. Great resource, because there's some interesting stuff coming out of TLE which will have impact on the show...

Lostfanaddict

07-28-2006, 11:51 PM

LFA that's a great story! What did you talk with TPTB about?

Very fortunately I got to say just about everything (of course wrapped up in one concise post) to Damon, J.J. and David that being a long time fan and an serious aspiring script/screen writer that I wanted to say...which was too cool...

I'll just give the highlights here:

I told Damon that his show was so good that he has me sitting on the edge of my big comfy chair the entire hour to watch...and that was a high compliment because NOTHING ever makes me sit on the EDGE of the big comfy chair.....

I told J.J. that as a writer I had been in awe of his style of story-telling on Alias for years and that I thought it was amazing how most writers try to tell a story in a straight line but he entirely broke that mold by telling it backwards, then forwards, then back again..mixing the forward while splicing in the backwards, and that I was sure if he wanted he could pull off sideways and diagonal too!

and last but not least I got to tell David Fury a fanencounter story with him that I had wanting to tell him for years....and that was....

I was out in LA for a Angel actor show at the Viper Room (Christian Kane)...a show I went to purposely trying to meet people that worked for the show...get tips on how to get in the biz...really looking for the big guys of the show when....in walks MR FURY. Well...when I saw him I was like a deer caught in headlights just watching him walk in the door, trying to figure out how to approach someone like him...realizing realistically...yeah right! like Im going to talk to him about how to get a JOB when SUDDENLY...he starts walking towards me, LOOKING right AT me....and talk about panic! Im TOTALLY freaked....he's like instantly STANDING right IN FRONT OF ME WHEN!!!!!!!!................

I realize he's looking over my head at the men's room door.....

Sending yet another proverbial possible career in Hollywood....down the proverbial and this time LITERAL...drain.

ohwell

Then after that Damon informed the few of us on that night that DAVID FURY WAS the monster on the island....so I asked Damon if David got paid two salaries for that one writing/one monstering...or just one....

Damon said:
Two. But no dental on the monster duties....

Think of the teeth! then go figure....
LFA

LostLaura

07-29-2006, 06:50 PM

At the current rate, how long to complete the to do list? a few years. :biggrin: But the issue with the to-do list is that these are just scenes people think may have something...there may be nothing there.

Normally, it takes us a couple or three weeks to get a transcript up...but we've run into a lot of personal issues that have slowed us down over the last 6-7 months. Add to that the fact that a lot of those scenes, the hidden voices we discovered and the blast door stuff, are far more difficult than anything we'd worked on before, and it's been tough.

Pen is back home and rested up from her vacation :biggrin: and gotten started on her part of the LTDA whispers. We're as anxious as everyone to get them done. Believe me. We're finally getting a forward motion on them, so hopefully it won't be long.

In all honesty...I wouldn't look to having the "to do list" totally completed. I mean seriously...we're talking 3-4 hours a night, 3-5 nights a week, over the course of 2-3 weeks to get a minute or so of voices transcribed. The best we can really hope for is to keep up with obvious whisper scenes, and hopefully pick through the others and try to determine which scenes would be the most promising for information. There are some, though, that we owe to the original Whisperers, which I want to get to as well.

Hope that answers your questions. Sorry if it disappoints, but, seriously...when we started a "to do" list, I never intended on it to grow to the monster it has...

rvt

PS once again a giant shout out and thanks to Doc S for helping weed through that to-do list and joining on to help Laura and Jenny with the thread.

ETA: heheh and a giant shout out to Laura and Jenny for the great orginization/managerial duties with this thread! Also a great big shout out to everyone that posts in here and throws out ideas. Keep 'em coming!

lol, RVT, when I suggested the to-do list, I certainly never expected this either. I believe I actually said something like "is there any kind of checklist so we know what's been done and what's being worked on?" and then this all got a bit out of hand.
As soon as I have a bit more time, I'm going to work in all of Doc's audio information into to the checklists. I want those to be completely reliable, and I know that Doc has found audio, not found audio, etc. and has been able to narrow down the lists.
But yes, I do not expect that we'll ever fully finish the lists. We all need to stay a little realistic. :cool:

DrShephard

07-29-2006, 07:26 PM

Definitely! I think the heart of the matter is that no one expected to find anywhere near this much hidden audio. Remember our blend of excitement and total dismay when TheCube first found whispers in a flashback? Soon afterwards came the audio tape and mild panic. ;)

I haven't done any work whittling down the hidden audio sections in the Season 1 checklist yet, but I plan to take a shot at it soon. Then come the Season 2 DVD's, which should prove very interesting.

Oh, and thanks for the link to the Lost Experience Guide, RVT. I've looked a bit at that one and the one I linked to, and I honestly have no idea how people can find these clues. I think it would drive me completely nuts.

fancyface

07-29-2006, 11:28 PM

We had talked about making a list of all the people that tripped for the LLL. It's been going on since the beginning of the show. What we're really her for
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=YmuoZNxF02M

Thanks Sam, I needed that laugh!

Car88win, I don't think I ever told you what a fabulosooo job you have done on
"The Whispers" transcribe page. Very nice indeed. kudos sista!!;)

imailicrazy

07-31-2006, 02:10 PM

At the current rate, how long to complete the to do list? a few years. But the issue with the to-do list is that these are just scenes people think may have something...there may be nothing there.

Sorry RVT but I think your estimate of a few years is sorely shy of at least a few years!;)

I worked on my few seconds of audio for 2-4 whole nights and got absolutely nothing coherent out of it. I still have to implement the suggestions that you gave me to tweak the audio but I foresee at least 2 more complete nights to get anything out of it. Unfortunately, I only have a few nights a month that I'll be able to sit and do this. So I see it taking a very long time just to get at the audio we already know about and October (new audio to analyze) is not that far off. (Well, I guess it's painfully far off!)

So to the poster who asked for an estimate of when it will be done... Please be patient. Hopefully one day it will actually be done but I would say not for a very long time.

dragonwife

07-31-2006, 11:51 PM

IMHO, the writers would not go to the trouble of creating the hidden audio and whispers just for our “compulsive-fan” enjoyment. What if the hidden audio represents whisperers who are slightly out of phase with the Losties. For example, the speeded up whispers could be from someone communicating at a faster pace than the norm; the opposite for the slower whispers. The more synchronous the whisperers phase , the more audible the whispers.
Please forgive me if this has been discussed elsewhere. I follow only a few threads and am Loyal to those. I've noticed that many of the disbelievers argue that the whispers do not exist because there’s no reason for them to be hidden so deeply. I just wanted to think of a possible reason that the whispers are real...as you know, I already believe. I don’t need a reason for them to be there!:)

dragonwife

car88win

08-01-2006, 05:54 PM

Thanks Sam, I needed that laugh!

Car88win, I don't think I ever told you what a fabulosooo job you have done on
"The Whispers" transcribe page. Very nice indeed. kudos sista!!;)

Thanks! We tried to capture them as best I could. It may undergo some changes once more is uncovered. :kiss:

The Cube

08-05-2006, 07:20 PM

Here is a piece of evidence(proof) that I just noticed. It's something which supports my Evolution of Lost Minds theory and I posted it there. It's also very relevant to this thread so I'll quote it here too.

Here's a pretty good piece of evidence that I had overlooked until now.

It's proof of present island sounds being mixed in with the flashbacks. So it supports the idea that flashback whispers are actual island whispers that are happening as the character remembers the flashback. Perhaps these whispers are off in the distance, and so they are barely audible.

It happens in the very first scene of Walkabout. Locke's flashback to just after the crash. He wakes up, moves his toe, then picks up his shoe. As he's holding his shoe, we hear Vincent begin to bark. There are several barks as the flashback continues, then it switches to the present nighttime on the island, and we find out that Vincent is barking at the boars in the fuselage.

This is proof that the flashbacks are not the actual events, that we are viewing the person's memory of those events.

Entity Controlling

Direct control of weather (at least lightning)A great analysis of the whispers and what they may imply. That's a pretty good summary doc, with things that I didn't think of before.

However, I quoted this one because I think it may be jumping the gun. I think the whisper was "Bet that lightning bolt scared her," which was said after the lightning bolt.

This could be interpreted two ways, the other way being that they may have just seen the lightning and/or heard the thunder and then remarked on it. So I don't think this whisper is really evidence that they are in control of the weather.

I'm also thinking how huge that would be, if the others had God-like control of the weather. Then we're getting into a Truman's world type of situation.

DrShephard

08-06-2006, 02:55 AM

Good observations, TC, on both fronts. The barking scenario is often done as a storytelling device (think of the ice cubes clinking during Jack's flashbacks with his father, for instance), but I would have to agree that the scenes strongly imply they're active memories. And I still very much believe that there are forces on the island that are seeing these flashbacks much as we are.

Regarding the weather, I have thought before that it is the one item on the list that doesn't lack any solid evidence. I drew it from the fact that there are other clues that imply the Others can control the weather, such as the hatch map. It also comes right in the middle of a sequence where the whisperers are being both vindictive and controlling, and to me it seems like it was very direct. But that observation in particular is very much open to interpretation.

Thanks for jumping in. I've had a very busy last few days and was thankful to see some more discussion come about this evening. I have a couple of major work projects that I'm wrapping up and then hopefully I'll be back at the audio a little.

Diesels Blitz

08-06-2006, 05:17 AM

Excellent job to everyone working on these whispers. I can't even begin to imagine how much time and effort you are putting into this. Keep up the great work!

I have a comment about the whispers in LTDA. It appears that Michael can whisper. At the scene where they are at the pile of tubes with notebooks from the observers at the Pearl Hatch, Jack starts arguing with Michael about where he was leading them. The whispers start and a voice appears to say "Hit them" or "Hit him". Sawyer is shown and Michael is at the lower left part of the screen. Michael's mouth appears to be in sync with the whisper that said "Hit them" or "Hit him." It's very brief. Do you think that while Michael was held by the Others that they somehow gave him the power to whisper?

DrShephard

08-06-2006, 12:54 PM

That's a fun theory, and I do see the motion you're referring to. However, I also noticed that just prior to that, Michael is looking around somewhat frantically for the source of the whispers, and then later that he is yelling for the whisperers to wait--in other words, to not take out Jack and the others. These things strongly suggest to me that he had no control over them.

Watching that scene again (LTDA is one of the few Season 2 episodes I have access to), I'm amazed at how brazen it was. They just threw the whispers out there in a very new way--one that was much more direct.

I'd be curious to know, even before the transcripts are completed, roughly how many different voices show up in those whispers. Everything's a guess, but by ear it sounds like a select few with one male voice being fairly dominant.

freakylostchick

08-06-2006, 03:40 PM

That does sound like a great whisper theory. If Michael could whisper, knowingly or not, it would make Walt's "special abilities" make more sense...like father, like son.

The Cube

08-06-2006, 11:12 PM

I have a comment about the whispers in LTDA. It appears that Michael can whisper. At the scene where they are at the pile of tubes with notebooks from the observers at the Pearl Hatch, Jack starts arguing with Michael about where he was leading them. The whispers start and a voice appears to say "Hit them" or "Hit him". Sawyer is shown and Michael is at the lower left part of the screen. Michael's mouth appears to be in sync with the whisper that said "Hit them" or "Hit him." It's very brief. Do you think that while Michael was held by the Others that they somehow gave him the power to whisper?

I just looked and noticed his mouth just close there too. But I also notice that he's looking in a certain directin as if he just heard that whisper. And then Kate turns and looks in the same direction. So it could be that his mouth was just open with amazement, then he shut it. Besides, I hardly think Michael would be the one to give that order, "Hit him."

But this goes along with a discussion that we had just after LTDA aired. That Michael somehow communicated with the others and warned them about Sayid. Then they somehow communicated with Michael to get him to change the direction to take them so they could set the trap at the tube bookpile instead. We know this wasn't the original intended location of the trap because Klugh said to Michael, "Bring the people on the list here (the fake camp)."

And there's the obvious scene where he was standing alone the night before. That this might be the time he communicated with them, whispers or otherwise. However, the debate is still out there because he didn't look very well, looking like he had a fever and that weird scab. So it could have just been him ailing from being infected by the others. At some point Danielle said, "They are the carriers."

So it's inconclusive I guess. We don't know how long he was by himself before Jack noticed him. He might have actually talked to one of the others. We do know that they were watching them, following them. And the one guy who didn't get shot may well have been close enough to contact Michael when he broke from the group. Something that might tip the scale for me is to ask myself the question, "Would the others really trust Michael with such vital information and that ability?"

Diesels Blitz

08-07-2006, 04:33 AM

But this goes along with a discussion that we had just after LTDA aired. That Michael somehow communicated with the others and warned them about Sayid. Then they somehow communicated with Michael to get him to change the direction to take them so they could set the trap at the tube bookpile instead. We know this wasn't the original intended location of the trap because Klugh said to Michael, "Bring the people on the list here (the fake camp)."

Very interesting, but I don't remember anyone telling Michael about Sayid's plan. Jack might have told them about Sayid's plan after he got Michael to confess. After Michael's confession about the list Jack tells everyone "But you have to know that I would never bring you out here if I didn't have a plan." I'm guessing he told them the plan. If Michael did somehow communicate with the Others to let them know about Sayid's plan he had to of done it quickly because shortly thereafter is when they reached the trap at the pile of tubes. And I'm guessing after Michael's confession that J/K/S were watching his every move, only making it more difficult to communicate without them noticing. Maybe he communicated with them through whispers, or telepathically somehow?

I think the most likely scenario is that some of the Others were scouting the perimeter of the island, noticed some people sailing toward the end of the island where Klugh and the Others were temporarily stationed, and changed their plan. Maybe Klugh gave Michael a back up plan that involved the 2 Others following them.

The Cube

08-07-2006, 06:37 AM

Very interesting, but I don't remember anyone telling Michael about Sayid's plan. Jack might have told them about Sayid's plan after he got Michael to confess. After Michael's confession about the list Jack tells everyone "But you have to know that I would never bring you out here if I didn't have a plan." I'm guessing he told them the plan.

That's my assumption. Sawyer said, "What plan?" Then the scene cut. Michael was there. And if Jack hadn't told them the plan, I'm sure they wouldn't have agreed to go, especially Hurley.

If Michael did somehow communicate with the Others to let them know about Sayid's plan he had to of done it quickly because shortly thereafter is when they reached the trap at the pile of tubes.

Actually, it was the next day. And that night was when Jack found Michael standing there alone. I know it doesn't seem like the next day, with a couple of minutes worth of scenes, but watch carefully. It was the next day.

And I'm guessing after Michael's confession that J/K/S were watching his every move, only making it more difficult to communicate without them noticing. Maybe he communicated with them through whispers, or telepathically somehow?

As I said before, Jack found him alone, and said something like, "What are you doing out here alone?"

I think the most likely scenario is that some of the Others were scouting the perimeter of the island, noticed some people sailing toward the end of the island where Klugh and the Others were temporarily stationed, and changed their plan. Maybe Klugh gave Michael a back up plan that involved the 2 Others following them.

This is a possibility, but I disagree that it's the most likely. Because it assumes that there was extended contradictory dialogue between Klugh and Michael. The dialogue we were shown is a lead to make us think in one direction.

To assume there was contradictory dialogue is not conducive to figuring out the best solution. If we were to do this, we could pretty much negate every clue and hint we've been provided on the show.

gusthepolarbear

08-07-2006, 11:03 AM

of course this could all be explained through the evolution of lost minds;)

DrShephard

08-07-2006, 02:13 PM

As I said before, Jack found him alone, and said something like, "What are you doing out here alone?"Here's the thing...I find it nearly impossible to believe that either the writers or producers would add a meaningless scene, especially in the finale. There's very little sense in wasting air time to add in this scene with Michael if it has no purpose. If we then stipulate to the fact that it did have purpose, what purpose could there have been?

He's by himself, his lips are moving...there don't seem to be a whole lot of possibilities other than: 1) he's communicating to the Others somehow, or 2) he's whispering either to himself or God. Nothing else really makes sense to me.

One final possibility that no one has mentioned: what if Michael can't communicate to the Others, but they can communicate to him? The plan all along could have been to give Michael one plan and then change mid-course so that he couldn't set them up. I agree with TheCube that there's no way the Others would fully trust Michael, so this idea makes perfect sense...it's similar to a hijacker not telling a pilot what their destination is until the plane is in the air. Whether Michael knew about this ahead of time or not is irrelevant, but he almost surely knew they had a way of getting into his head. They could have even used Walt to do it.

That's what I'm going on, anyway. Has anyone checked to see if there are any indications of hidden audio in the scene?

Diesels Blitz

08-07-2006, 03:03 PM

I see what you are saying and it would make perfect sense if later that night Michael was standing there alone, but that happened the night prior to all of this. I just rewatched it and 28:30 into the movie is the scene where Michael is standing alone. The part where the 2 Others are caught following them in the woods, where Michael eventually confesses, and Jack likely tells them the plan is 38:24 into the show (the next day). So Michael does not know of the plan the night he is standing there alone, but he does find out the next day.

gusthepolarbear

08-07-2006, 05:01 PM

to me when the scene first aired i thought it was trying to show micheal struggling with himself and having second thoughts so that if he returns to the show we wont hate him as the merciless king of the raft he is but commnication cant be ruled out

The Cube

08-07-2006, 05:50 PM

Here's the thing...I find it nearly impossible to believe that either the writers or producers would add a meaningless scene, especially in the finale. There's very little sense in wasting air time to add in this scene with Michael if it has no purpose. If we then stipulate to the fact that it did have purpose, what purpose could there have been?

I agree totally. But there could have been a two-fold purpose. First, to show that he was alone, with time to communicate with the others, or be told what to do. And second, to show that he was infected. He had a weird scab, which was focused on, he seemed to be in pain, he may have mouthed an expletive and shook his head, and he even said to Jack, "I'm not feeling so hot."

So the question is, how was this communication happening? Could have been whispering, or it could have been directly with the two guys who were folowing them. As Eko Is The Man pointed out, the shooting happened the next day.

He's by himself, his lips are moving...there don't seem to be a whole lot of possibilities other than: 1) he's communicating to the Others somehow, or 2) he's whispering either to himself or God. Nothing else really makes sense to me.

Yes, has to be one of these two. Just to add to the possible infection idea, when people are in pain and have a fever, they tend to talk and whisper to themselves.

One final possibility that no one has mentioned: what if Michael can't communicate to the Others, but they can communicate to him? The plan all along could have been to give Michael one plan and then change mid-course so that he couldn't set them up. I agree with TheCube that there's no way the Others would fully trust Michael, so this idea makes perfect sense...it's similar to a hijacker not telling a pilot what their destination is until the plane is in the air. Whether Michael knew about this ahead of time or not is irrelevant, but he almost surely knew they had a way of getting into his head. They could have even used Walt to do it.

Yes, this indeed might be the case. It would also go with him shaking his head, as if to say, "Now they want me to go this way? Why don't the make up their minds?"
This also makes sense if we mix it with Eko Is The Man's idea that the others saw the sailboat off the coast or otherwise found out about Sayid's plan, such as a mole.

ETA:
Has anyone checked to see if there are any indications of hidden audio in the scene?

Wow. I just checked this scene, turned up with the speakers on both ears and I hear what sounds like whispers.
At the very start, when it shows Michael's funny scab and then pans up to his face.
From about 28:49 to 28:52, I hear it for about three seconds. (as a bit of a disclaimor, it might also just be background jungle noises)
If this turns out to be whispers, then it would confirm that the others were communicating with Michael.
Can someone else listen?
This whisper if it is, should be given some priority because of its implications.

Diesels Blitz

08-07-2006, 11:02 PM

Wow. I just checked this scene, turned up with the speakers on both ears and I hear what sounds like whispers.
At the very start, when it shows Michael's funny scab and then pans up to his face.
From about 28:49 to 28:52, I hear it for about three seconds. (as a bit of a disclaimor, it might also just be background jungle noises)
If this turns out to be whispers, then it would confirm that the others were communicating with Michael.
Can someone else listen?
This whisper if it is, should be given some priority because of its implications.

I tried to listen as best as I could but couldn't make anything out except for crickets maybe and other jungle noises. Then again, I don't have any high-tech equipment, and I didn't use the two-ear method :biggrin:

It's an ongoing debate as to whether Michael really is feeling ill because of the wounds, stress, etc., or maybe he is communicating through whispers. Until someone finds hidden audio, I'm just going to base my theory on how he reacted when Jack asked him if he was alright. Given his state of mind, it seems natural that he would jerk real fast when he heard Jack, but then again he might have been afraid that Jack would know what he was doing (if he was communicating with the Others via whispers).

This might sound a little far-fetched, but maybe Michael thanked Jack for "risking your neck for my boy" because he felt guilty that he just got done communicating with the Others to set a trap up the next day.

koralis

08-09-2006, 05:11 PM

That does sound like a great whisper theory. If Michael could whisper, knowingly or not, it would make Walt's "special abilities" make more sense...like father, like son.

Except that Michael isn't Walt's father. Refer to Ms. Kluegh interview and the numerous references to cukoos, births without fathers, etc.

bigmouth

08-09-2006, 06:19 PM

Except that Michael isn't Walt's father. Refer to Ms. Kluegh interview and the numerous references to cukoos, births without fathers, etc.
koralis: Hey stranger! But say more, if you would. What interview are you referencing?

Richardstone

08-09-2006, 06:26 PM

koralis: Hey stranger! But say more, if you would. What interview are you referencing?

In Three Minutes when she quizzes Mike and asks him all sorts of odd questions...

MS. KLUGH: Hello, Michael.

MICHAEL: Where's my son?

MS. KLUGH: My name is Ms. Klugh. I was hoping you might help me answer some questions. About Walt.

MICHAEL: Where is he?

MS. KLUGH: Is he your biological son?

MICHAEL: What?

MS. KLUGH: Are you his father?

MICHAEL: Yes, I'm his...

MS. KLUGH: How old was he when he started speaking?

MICHAEL: I, he...

MS. KLUGH: Did he have any illnesses growing up? Headaches? Fainting spells?

MICHAEL: What? No! I don't -- I wasn't there. He was half way around the world. Why are you asking me all these questions?

MS. KLUGH: Did Walt ever appear in a place he wasn't supposed to be? You say he was half way around the world -- did you see him?

MICHAEL: I want my son! You bring him to me right now. I want to see my boy!

MS. KLUGH: For someone who wants his son back so badly, you don't seem to know much about him, Michael

I'm still really uneasy with this parthenogenesis malarky...

bigmouth

08-09-2006, 06:49 PM

I'm still really uneasy with this parthenogenesis malarky...

Richard: Thanks for the clarification. I interpreted that exchange as confirming Walt was his son (a reference to some royal bloodline or the like) though I can see the other interp on rereading. Funny, too, because I actually prefer the latter -- I've often wondered if certain characters were somehow "possessed" by the Island when conceiving their children. Could this be why Locke and Jack's daddies were so rough on them? Why Thomas had a sudden change of heart? Maybe each began to suspect he wasn't the real father...

koralis

08-10-2006, 11:28 AM

Richard: Thanks for the clarification. I interpreted that exchange as confirming Walt was his son (a reference to some royal bloodline or the like) though I can see the other interp on rereading. Funny, too, because I actually prefer the latter -- I've often wondered if certain characters were somehow "possessed" by the Island when conceiving their children. Could this be why Locke and Jack's daddies were so rough on them? Why Thomas had a sudden change of heart? Maybe each began to suspect he wasn't the real father...

Yes, I think that's exactly right. Some of the daddies suspected or knew, and they never developed a fatherly bond with the kids. Jack's dad, for instance... not really much of a father. He took it upon himself to be more of a mentor and to mould him. He had a line that was something like, "If I've been hard on you, it's to make you the sort of man you have to be." As opposed to Michael (oblivious to the cuckolding), it sounds like Jack's dad was complicit.

I had long suspected the parthenogenesis scenario ever since Locke's mom let it out of her crazy bag, which was reinforced by Walt comments, Charlie's dream of Claire and Aaron, and Sun getting pregnant. Ms. Klugh's interview was basically just the nail in the coffin as it were. Klugh -> Clue to the audience (in case they still hadn't picked up on it), putting it out in such pointed terms that the audience couldn't help but think about it.

rvturnage

08-12-2006, 09:59 AM

Just wanted to drop in and say...this is a dedicated Lostie:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n160/hansolow/mystery-woman.jpg

Our very own Sam G, in the middle of the night at the DJDan broadcast studio, trying to get clues out to the other folks following The Lost Experience!

Sam G

08-12-2006, 11:13 AM

LostLaura

08-12-2006, 04:03 PM

car88win

08-12-2006, 05:48 PM

That's dedication

Sam G

08-12-2006, 06:53 PM

Sam G, very cool. I'm not following TLE at all, but I just went over to the DJ Dan Live Podcast thread and saw how much fun you all were having overnight. Way to go for you driving over to that location! :clap:Thank you!!!! It was an adventure.

That's dedicationLook who's talking. Model Miss dedication.

car88win

08-12-2006, 07:32 PM

Look who's talking. Model Miss dedication. Ah yea, I can't remember the last time I didn't do work on it myself. Touche'

On the whispers, I'm hoping to get those updated as well. I see that there was some that were left off the LLL when I created the page.

jennylee27

08-12-2006, 07:42 PM

Hey, teeny tiny whispers spoiler in the new Lost Magazine: Damon says we will understand more about them in Season 3. :)

Sam G

08-16-2006, 06:48 PM

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56287
RVT Greg still isn't going to say anything about the Whispers but a good try, sneaking it in like that.

jennylee27

08-16-2006, 06:53 PM

Haha, thanks for sharing Sam. RVT, you crack me up! :roflmao:

rvturnage

08-16-2006, 07:44 PM

:redface:

LostLaura

08-16-2006, 10:21 PM

That actually made me LOL, not just fake internet lol. :lol2: Your rock, RVT.

sioux21

08-17-2006, 12:09 AM

I know I don't post much in the whisper threads, but I am always here learning from you guys. Keep up the good work!

My sister got me Season 2 DVD's for my birthday and I can't wait until they are here!

:walkman:

LostLaura

08-17-2006, 10:31 PM

rvturnage

08-18-2006, 08:53 AM

I'm not familiar with Them but maybe he/she reads this thread or has posted a few times. Anyway, Them posted another Whispers question (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56267) to Gregg. I don't think he's annoyed, per se, but he's pretty clearly never going to answer and is maybe ready for the questions about the Whispers to end. :rolleyes:

I know Them from lost-tv. I think he's read the thread, but never posted...He's got a thread at Lost-TV comparing Lost with the book Turn of the Screw, and mentions that he's on the fence right now about the hidden voices in scenes.

And I think you meant to link to this question (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56200) in your post, Laura :). I saw that post from Them, and it was actually the impetus for my little PSS on my question...guess I'll back off on the questions, then...I was going to start asking other questions from Gregg, or just give general "great job" type (hey can you tell me more about the whispers, Gregg?) messages with little jabs thrown in there sporadically...but if you think that's probably not the best approach...:biggrin:

rvt

LostLaura

08-18-2006, 09:16 AM

I know Them from lost-tv. I think he's read the thread, but never posted...He's got a thread at Lost-TV comparing Lost with the book Turn of the Screw, and mentions that he's on the fence right now about the hidden voices in scenes.

And I think you meant to link to this question (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56200) in your post, Laura :). I saw that post from Them, and it was actually the impetus for my little PSS on my question...guess I'll back off on the questions, then...I was going to start asking other questions from Gregg, or just give general "great job" type (hey can you tell me more about the whispers, Gregg?) messages with little jabs thrown in there sporadically...but if you think that's probably not the best approach...:biggrin:

rvt

Oh I'll fix my link. I don't know how I did that.

Oh I think it's funny if you throw in the little tiny font. I bet he'll think it's funny too. :cool:
But I'm guessing until something huge changes on the show regarding the Whispers, there will be no comments from Gregg. Ah well...

bigmouth

08-18-2006, 12:03 PM

I know Them from lost-tv. I think he's read the thread, but never posted...He's got a thread at Lost-TV comparing Lost with the book Turn of the Screw, and mentions that he's on the fence right now about the hidden voices in scenes.
Indeed--and it's a great theory. Our mission should be to convince Them that there's something to this. I can't believe that anyone could read transcripts of the monster on the beach, or Fenry in Swan and conclude that these aren't very real phenomena.

freakylostchick

08-19-2006, 02:40 PM

Except that Michael isn't Walt's father. Refer to Ms. Kluegh interview and the numerous references to cukoos, births without fathers, etc.

I still think it's entirely possibly that Michael is Walt's biological father.
There was no way Michael could answer Klugh's questions, as he wasn't involved in the majority of Walt's life.
And who really knows the reason for the questions being asked, maybe they just wanted to plant a seed of doubt in Michael's mind and watch what would happen in their relationship.
Since the interpersonal dynamics of the father/child relationship seem to have an underlying tone to the show, everyone has "daddy issues", it makes sense to me that the "others" would want to play that up.

LostLaura

08-23-2006, 10:22 PM

A new Whispers post from Gregg Nations!

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56516

Nothing we didn't already know, I don't think, but fun nonetheless. It'll be added to the TPTB quotes post at the beginning of the thread. I think the poster didn't do a proper search, because I already asked a question (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=45688) about Whispers in the scripts and got a great response, as you all probably know. :)

Vaughn

08-25-2006, 05:46 PM

I guess this thread is dead, eh? Summer was going to be catch up time. Now summer is almost over and not a single whisper posted?

I hope someone decides it is a worthy cause and works on it again. The whisper posts were the one big revelation that got me super hooked on the show and made me a regular Fuselage member.

I understand the new clips are super hard to decode, but there is still a long list of scenes waiting to even be looked at from back when the decoding should have been a lot easier. Even without progress, information about how it is going would have been nice.

Anyways, good luck. I hope I am wrong and we actually get to read some more transcripts before the series is over.

Love,
Vaughn =)

gusthepolarbear

08-25-2006, 06:42 PM

The Cube

08-25-2006, 07:54 PM

thats pretty harsh vaughn, im sure rvturnage and pen are both busy with real life work and family and such. They have been so great to provide us with the transcripts they have so far. Though I know what you mean by expecting some transcripts this summer but im patient. you're welcome to contribute in any way

I wouldn't label it as harsh. In fact, I couldn't think of a nicer way to express criticism over vaughn's frustration that there hasn't been any transcripts posted since the end of the season. And I'm sure vaughn means the criticism to be constructive and nothing more.

However, I don't share this frustration at all. I've gotten more out of this thread from reading the discussions, theories, and people's ideas about the whispers than the transcripts themselves.

If it wasn't for the ideas expressed in the first whispers thread, I would have never thought of my "Evoution of Lost Minds" theory. For example, the "mind linkage" idea is something I first saw here, and didn't think of myself beforehand. So the actual transcripts of the whispers are just one component of what makes this thread worthwhile for me.

Although I'm not really frustrated about the lack of trancripts this summer, I am beginning to get curious. And perhaps rvt or pen can enlighten me. Is it that some whispers just simply can't be made out? That despite all the filtering, etc., the whispers are too unclear to be transcribed?

The root of my curiosity is that the autopsy whispers were posted several days after the episode (I think). My guess (and I may be wrong) is that these whispers were easier to transcribe, and not just because of a really busy summer. Right?

Which might lead me to this idea. Perhaps TPTB are, at the end of the series, going to release a set of DVDs that include whisper captions as they are happening in the episodes. Maybe not a full length DVD series, but a special explanation set of DVDs that include the scenes where the hidden audio and whispers occur. If I'm right, maybe they don't want us to be able to figure out what all the whispers are saying.

gusthepolarbear

08-25-2006, 08:16 PM

I wouldn't label it as harsh. In fact, I couldn't think of a nicer way to express criticism over vaughn's frustration that there hasn't been any transcripts posted since the end of the season. And I'm sure vaughn means the criticism to be constructive and nothing more.

However, I don't share this frustration at all. I've gotten more out of this thread from reading the discussions, theories, and people's ideas about the whispers than the transcripts themselves.

If it wasn't for the ideas expressed in the first whispers thread, I would have never thought of my "Evoution of Lost Minds" theory. For example, the "mind linkage" idea is something I first saw here, and didn't think of myself beforehand. So the actual transcripts of the whispers are just one component of what makes this thread worthwhile for me.

Although I'm not really frustrated about the lack of trancripts this summer, I am beginning to get curious. And perhaps rvt or pen can enlighten me. Is it that some whispers just simply can't be made out? That despite all the filtering, etc., the whispers are too unclear to be transcribed?

The root of my curiosity is that the autopsy whispers were posted several days after the episode (I think). My guess (and I may be wrong) is that these whispers were easier to transcribe, and not just because of a really busy summer. Right?

Which might lead me to this idea. Perhaps TPTB are, at the end of the series, going to release a set of DVDs that include whisper captions as they are happening in the episodes. Maybe not a full length DVD series, but a special explanation set of DVDs that include the scenes where the hidden audio and whispers occur. If I'm right, maybe they don't want us to be able to figure out what all the whispers are saying.

i guess i agree with you here that i shared some of the same feelings but would not come out and say it and maybe it will lend itself to being more constructive. Couldn't find a better word than harsh i guess. I just originally took at as quite negative and downplaying the effort our fine transcribers but in but thats ok. i know i've taken quite alot from the discussions as well and have shared your thoughts on mind linking in fact my first post ever way back in march was about mind linking and evolution. mostly due to reading the chrysallids and now that i think of it i should put that part of my own theory in writing. nows as good a time as ever.
chrysallid is the metamorphic state of a butterfly or MOTH
as the title of the book it was reference to the evolution of the human mind. As theorized by one of the characters in the book the human body was as evolved as it needed to be and the only avenue left for it to evolve was in the mind. Due to a nuclear holocaust so to speak much of the human race was led to experience mutations. These mutants were persecuted and not allowed to produce offspring. This is important because it lays the grounds for the conflict. The main character discovers he is a mutant but his mutation cannot be seen. He is telepathic and his mind is linked with a select few others Its not the typical telepathy, they share emotions, feelings, compulsions. these others are found to have these powers and must escape persecution. they are rescued by people from a land where the telepathics rule. due to their abilities the telepathic race advances and solves problems at a much quicker pace. Anyways the point is i take The Moth as a clue that we are seeing evolution

DrShephard

08-26-2006, 04:44 PM

I happen to think we were all brought here for a reason. The thread...it is our destiny. In time, the whispers will reveal themselves to us when they are ready. ;)

It's been a slow summer across the board. Hopefully things will pick up as Season 3 rolls near, but I agree that we don't really have the right to be critical here. All of this is a very large volunteer effort...so whatever happens, we should simply enjoy what's given to us from our transcribers.

I do agree with TheCube, however, that it would be good to get an update from RVT and Pen on their expectations, even if nothing new is expected for a while.

Hope all of you are having a good summer outside of the 'Lage.

lockesmithe

08-26-2006, 11:24 PM

Is it my imagination, or are the whispers becoming more and more "embedded," and thus more difficult to decipher? The shear number of scenes listed as possibly containing whispers also seems to grow longer. It's unfortunate that such sophisticated software, hardware, and ears are needed to investigate the whispers. Otherwise, several people could be assigned whisper segments. As it stands now, with the time investment needed to decipher the whispers, I can only see more and more work piling up and, in the end, being uninvestigated.

We still have the benefits of all the work to date, and for this we are grateful. We have much information to create theories about the purpose of the whisperers, but on the other hand, this is Lost, so we don't have enough information.

.

DrShephard

08-27-2006, 12:03 AM

I think that many of them (such as the Henry interrogation scenes) were absolutely tougher. To me this was indicative of a second layer of whispers/hidden audio that the producers decided to throw at us. But then, just when everything was getting extremely difficult...then comes the whispers in the finale. To my ear, these were the clearest ones yet (at least in terms of those on the surface). I think we now have two different levels to work with.

By the way, Lockesmithe, that avatar is both creepy and quite amusing. ;)

car88win

08-27-2006, 03:51 PM

Didn't see this moment listed on the ones to be transcribed. LTDA when the gang gets darted. Just as that scene starts, and I only know this because my audio is giving me fits and I really hear this clearly for some reason, guess one side or something is working, that they whisper "Michael" and some other words. One sounds like run. but that whole dart scene.

penyours

08-28-2006, 09:36 PM

Hey folks,

I've been away because I've been extremely busy as in hopping cities, not sleeping in my own bed, having friends from out of town visit and stay at my home and not even seeing them because my schedule was too stacked. So I haven't had the time as I had hoped to spend on whispers. So the delay in the LTDA whispers isn't because they are harder, it's just finding the time for them. The center channel transcript is about 60% finished right now. and work has been done on the left and right channels as well. I understand the frustration with waiting for transcripts since I would also like to know what all the hidden audio and whispers are saying, but it's time consuming work, and we need to pay the bills first unfortunately. I haven't really been popping into this thread too often this summer, but I knew when I did I would see a "pseudo harsh" post from you, Vaughn, since whenever you post about the whispers it's always something that's sorta negative but sorta supportive, it always sits on the fence like that, but don't worry this thread is not dead!!! It just shows how great a show Lost is when people are thinking about whispers (along with tons of other Lost-related things) in the middle of the summer when they could be out in the sun enjoiying a cold beverage. And i agree the discussion and theories that come out of this thread are a great thing about this thread. Alright, unfortunately I must go back to doing some real life work. cheers all!

jennylee27

08-28-2006, 09:43 PM

pen, thanks for stopping by to tell us what we already knew! :biggrin: We miss you (and rvt) and hope to see you more soon.

LostLaura

08-28-2006, 10:04 PM

Ditto to what Jenny said. We miss you and RVT and can't wait to have you back here more often. As much as I've been keeping up with Lost stuff, I've been pretty relaxed about it this summer. And let's be serious--having a cold beverage out in the sun can be better than sitting in front of the computer, no matter how much we love the show and the Whispers. :biggrin:

:kiss:

Sam G

08-28-2006, 11:30 PM

Considering that this thread just started out to prove there were audible words in the whispers, TPTB have confirmed that. Everything else is icing. You have put in more than your fair share and it is greatly appreciated.

dragonwife

08-29-2006, 12:02 AM

I whole-heartedly second SamG's statement!:grin:
dragonwife

init

08-29-2006, 09:31 AM

Hello there.
I was listening to the whispers in "23Psalms_Penyours/nine+seven.mp3" and it seems to me "one zero seven" is what can be heard, not "nine seven".

The Cube

08-30-2006, 08:03 AM

So the delay in the LTDA whispers isn't because they are harder, it's just finding the time for them.

Thanks for clarifying that. It's actually great news that we can look forward to seeing those transcripts. So it's not a question of "if" but "when".

If two thirds are done and two thirds of the third third is done, that makes it eight ninths done. Would that be a spoiler to see the eight ninths before the ninth ninth is done?

But I'm patient. I can wait another 12 - 15 years for those whispers. Maybe I'm even the most patient one here.

Vaughn

08-30-2006, 03:04 PM

LostLaura

08-30-2006, 03:09 PM

Well, guys, I surely did not mean to be harsh, and after re-reading, I don't think I really was. I am just not a tactful person. I tried to explain how I love the work here and what it has meant to me (over several posts).

I also want to say I would be helping if I could. My hearing simply does not allow it and I have no choice but to sit and wait. However, in the old thread, it seems like there were many volunteers, but they were all told RV & Pen had it under control. I am 100% sympathetic with their busy schedules, but I feel if we knew how busy they were going to be, more people would have volunteered to help.

Maybe Pen & RV could just mentor a little and save themselves much work. Perhaps this is not a valid point anymore, as there may not be any volunteers available now. I suggest if anyone has good ears and has the equipment or a budget to buy some equipment (NICE headphones or Studio Monitors and some sound editing software) that they post their willingness to help on here.

Rv, Pen, thanks for your responses and I hope you were not offended. I understand where you guys are coming from. I have been working on Open Source home automation software for over a year now. It is a ton of work that in the end I am just giving away. I feel presure all the time to finish and release it. I feel like when I take a week off, I am disappointing my supporters. I don't like the feeling of getting bashed when I volenteer so much time. So I don't want you all to feel that way because of me.

But the wispers were meant to be heard, and I feel like part of the show is slipping by. So if there is anything we (interested Fuselagers) can do to help, please let us know.

Vaughn
Whisperer Fan =)

Hey Vaughn,
There were other volunteers, but I think they've just gotten busy too. And DrShephard has done some prelimanary audio work (that I still haven't added to the checklist posts--sorry, Doc! But it's in the thread somewhere...).

So I totally hear what you are saying, but this is life. It's a TV show, and if people volunteer and don't come through, we can't really be too upset, since well... we only know each other through the internet. How much can you rely on someone through the internet? It's not real life.

So I think we all know that Pen and RVT will be back here whatever they can give us, as soon as they can. But as for other volunteers, well if they are out there, hopefully they'll step up. Pen and RVT are willing to mentor them.

Otherwise, we just have to be patient. And, really, if Pen or RVT decided to stop deciphering for us, well, that's just life. It would suck, but we'd live with their decision.
So let's just all be patient, be excited for the S2 DVDs, and be really excited for S3 coming up and hope for some Whispers trasnscripts in the near future. :cool:
LL

dragonwife

08-30-2006, 03:41 PM

Cube! I love your logic!! I too, am patient... and you expressed it beautifully:ntworthy:

dragonwife

DrShephard

08-30-2006, 04:56 PM

Everyone, if you look in the introductory posts there are actually a couple of very good links to explain how to pull the audio and break it into several channels. This can be used with the DVD's or any other digital versions of the show. And all of this can be done with free software (the links are there for that, too). That is what I used to sift through some of the season 1 audio and the only thing I did was follow the steps in those posts. So feel free to jump in there and try! You do not need expensive headphones to do it--only headphones that didn't cost $5 or come with your iPod. :)

Breaking down the whispers into actual sentences and phrases is more difficult and takes a lot of time. That is why we're so reliant on Pen and RVT...not just because they're the best at it, but because they've been the ones most willing to dedicate themselves to this thread. That combination is what has given us so much enjoyment over the past few months.

Oh, and FYI, the post Laura was referring to can be found here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1059724&postcount=2363). :smile:

AZJeepDude

08-30-2006, 07:20 PM

DrShephard

08-30-2006, 10:40 PM

Well, in fact there have been many, many theories about the source of the whispers, as well as their timeframes, tones, age, sex, etc. These span a huge number of posts over what is now three threads, and I wish there was a way to document them without combing through all of these posts. Perhaps in the future we will find a way to do so, but for now I think we're somewhat reliant on the Search Thread feature.

To answer your question, AZ, there was indeed a lot of discussion after the autopsy transcript about the possibilities you mention. I think there are numerous readers here that believe in each one of those theories! But to see what has been discussed, the easiest thing to do would be to follow the link to the posted transcript, then review the posts over the pages that follow it. That's generally where 95% of the relevant discussion happens.

I wish there was an easier way, but I cannot think of one at this point. Doesn't mean we'll stop trying, though.

gusthepolarbear

08-30-2006, 10:43 PM

the only way i can think of is to ask those involved with those theories, people like the cube, etc.

The Cube

08-31-2006, 01:14 AM

Hi all! Say, are the theories behind what the whispers are or represent concisely listed anywhere? Most of the recent discussions have revolved around documenting them.

The reason I ask is that I find it very interesting that there were whispers in Eko's flashback (autopsy tape). Were those whispers 1) part of the tape, 2) part of the flashback itself, or 3) present-day comments on the flashback as Eko relives it? Thoughts?

A Gus the Polar Bear was saying, I have a theory that kind of addresses the nature of the whispers, but isn't a theory about the whispers perse. Here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53078

It's kind of sunk into the depths of the general theories section as the summer has gone by with no new episodes. I'm sure it'll be revived as the new season begins and more evidence pops up to support some aspects of it. As I'm almost sure I'm on the right track with it, at least in the ballpark.

I've also been considering taking all the evidence raised throughout the thread and editing it into the OP. I'm sure I'll get around to that too.

Amber

09-01-2006, 05:19 AM

A Gus the Polar Bear was saying, I have a theory that kind of addresses the nature of the whispers, but isn't a theory about the whispers perse. Here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=53078

It's kind of sunk into the depths of the general theories section as the summer has gone by with no new episodes. I'm sure it'll be revived as the new season begins and more evidence pops up to support some aspects of it. As I'm almost sure I'm on the right track with it, at least in the ballpark.

I've also been considering taking all the evidence raised throughout the thread and editing it into the OP. I'm sure I'll get around to that too.

Wow, that was a crazy, very interesting read! I especially liked '#3 The beginning of stealing complete ideas', and #2 I think is the most noticable to the audience. Everyone should read this!

rvturnage

09-02-2006, 11:45 PM

FIrst off, Vaughn...no offense taken by your post. I thought it came off pretty tactful, for a guy with no tact :biggrin: You're absolutely correct in your post...we had big hopes for the summer, but...stuff happens. :redface:

Pen, good to see you back..did you get my last email?

Good to all our friends posting.

I've got to apologize, as I too had the best of intentions going into the summer...but I've had several things hit me with work and family that slowed me down quite a bit, and now here we are, closing in on S3...

AZJeepDude, we never could come to a conclusion where the voices were in that flashback...in the tape, in the room, on the island...I actually lean towards the voices being on the island observing the flashback as Eko's remembers it..but I have zero evidence pointing to it...like Doc said, I think there are supporters of each theory you put forth regarding the autopsy tape transcripts.

Cube, you're entirely too optimistic, you know that?:thumbsup:

well, gotta go to bed. Hopefully real life is settled down enough now so I can start making my regular stops in here, and get back to a little whispering fun.

rvt

PS. LL, thanks for your never-ending good vibes!:biggrin:

In all seriousness, thanks to everyone for their patience. :group:

LostLaura

09-02-2006, 11:56 PM

PS. LL, thanks for your never-ending good vibes!:biggrin:

In all seriousness, thanks to everyone for their patience. :group:

:blush: I try.

Back atcha, RVT.:hug: Good to see you around.

RaraFemina

09-08-2006, 03:14 AM

LostLaura

09-08-2006, 10:03 AM

Hi guys! I just wanted to say how amazing I think you all are! I haven't been reading theories for too long, but as soon as I came across this one, I was hooked. In the past week I have read the whole 1st thread and then this one...I just couldn't stop! Keep up the amazing work!

Wow, that's awesome RaraFermina! Welcome to the Whispers! :biggrin: I'm sure we'll see more of you when this thread kicks it into high gear for S3.

RaraFemina

09-08-2006, 02:01 PM

Oh, you will. LOL
I have no doubt that a lot of what you guys have found will be discussed in some way on the show.
And thanks for the warm welcome, LostLaura.

DrShephard

09-09-2006, 01:09 AM

Absolutely...welcome, RaraFemina. Understanding how many posts have gone through this thread, I think it's the highest compliment when someone reads through it all from Page 1. Happy to have you aboard.

imailicrazy

09-09-2006, 07:10 PM

Unfortunately, I am officially resigning from trying to decipher Whispers.:sadwave:

I've been at it for the better part of today and I worked on them a couple of nights last week. I can't hear Jack! (no pun intended)

I really wanted to help. I also really wanted to figure some of it out for myself. I guess the combination of poor pc audio quality and crappy hearing keep me from being qualified for the job.

Sorry guys. :hide:

But I can't wait for Season 3, and to hear (or not hear as the case may be :biggrin:) what they throw at us next!!!

LostLaura

09-09-2006, 08:06 PM

koralis

09-11-2006, 03:17 PM

AZJeepDude, we never could come to a conclusion where the voices were in that flashback...in the tape, in the room, on the island...I actually lean towards the voices being on the island observing the flashback as Eko's remembers it..but I have zero evidence pointing to it...like Doc said, I think there are supporters of each theory you put forth regarding the autopsy tape transcripts.

As a counterpoint, there have been whispers in the Lost Experiance (Bad Twin audio book promo was verified by Pennyours, and I've heard electrical garble in phone messages/videotape/etc that really had little business being there (no associated static, etc.)

I believe that we're to understand that the whispers are not merely an island phenomenon.

fancyface

09-11-2006, 10:34 PM

Howdy, Ya'll..22 days and counting. Hope everyone has had a relaxing and fun summer with their families and not stressed out too much about transcribing. Personally, I've been working my tail off and staying inside wherever there was air conditioning. There is already so much great info on this thread, the already transcribed parts from the eps to give much food for thought about the nature of "the whispers". I'm still scratching my head over most of them. Hopefully we will be given some insight to this dilemma this season. Well, gotta run, happy trials...

CrimsonRabbit

09-13-2006, 10:54 PM

Did anyone notice garbled dialogue in certain parts of the Lost Connections experience in Disc 7 of the Season 2 DVDs? Many times it's clear (like when you're going to Shannon from -- I forgot who-- you hear "Shannon, something's happened to your father" which brings you to a funeral clip). Other times it's not and sounds like backwards audio. Just wondering if anyone's noticed that too and maybe would like to try cracking those as well.

Thanks for all the hard work diciphering the whispers. Very much appreciated!

gumpy5

09-13-2006, 11:07 PM

Also in the Lost Connections, I wonder if the static sounds that come up on the screen with the 'waving shadow' have anything hidden in them, it happens quite a bit, so that screen must mean something.

Rekk14

09-14-2006, 03:03 PM

LostLaura

09-14-2006, 03:06 PM

Hey everyone, I am very new to The Fuselage... but a veteran to the show. I've tried so many different sites, and so many different ways to understand the backwards voices and I cant do it. It sounds like audio scribble. Any help with this would be great.

-- Thanks ahead of time

Hey Rekk. Welcome to the 'Lage and to the Whispers!

Check out the first several posts of this thread. There's audio and transcripts available. Tons of information to go through, including ways of improving the audio quality so you can hear it better.
Hopefully some of that will help you.

Then post back and tell us your findings. :)

Rekk14

09-14-2006, 04:40 PM

I knew there had to be a good reason why I joined this site. Almost instant feedback, and no flack for not totally being in the know. Thanks a lot!

jennylee27

09-14-2006, 04:43 PM

Hi Rekk! :wavey: We love newbies on this board, and especially on this thread. And we will love you even more if you help with transcribing or theorizing about the whispers. See you around.

purplekiwee137

09-15-2006, 02:15 PM

um...whoa....great job with unscrambling the audio!!! wow...

Tramp

09-15-2006, 03:27 PM

This is not necessarily a hidden audio clue, but I don't think this idea is likely worth its own thread, so let me pose it here.

Has anyone given any thought to the sound that signals the transition from real-time to flashback in the show? Sort of a wooshing sound. I've always assumed that this was what it would be on any other television show -- a straightforward audio cue to emphasize the transition -- but is it possible it represents something else here?

For instance, some of the theorists on these boards have hypothesized that the Losties could be clones of real people. I doubt this theory personally, but if turned out to be true, then perhaps the clones were not given any of the knowledge of their "real" selves, but rather selected, fabricated memories are "uploaded" to their minds at appropriate times. Hence the wooshing sound. Would also explain why they so often stare into the distance when a flashback is occurring, although that's also standard fare on other shows...

Come to think of it, I'm trying to think of an example of anything specific a character has said on the show about their past lives before we as viewers first see the flashback relating to that comment. I mean, I remember Sawyer saying things like "I'm complex" and Hurley saying "I'm unlucky", but other than general descriptions of who they are, have any characters talked about specific incidents in their past prior to the time we first see a "flashback" of that incident? Closest thing I can think, short of going back and watching lots of episodes, is the "I never" game Sawyer and Kate play, but again we don't get any details. Maybe any given Lostie really is a virtual tabula rosa before they "learn" about their past through a flashback -- prior to that time, they have a vague understanding of what their lives were like, but not the details?

If this has been raised in other posts, forgive me -- I checked but didn't see any.

The Cube

09-15-2006, 05:03 PM

Come to think of it, I'm trying to think of an example of anything specific a character has said on the show about their past lives before we as viewers first see the flashback relating to that comment. I mean, I remember Sawyer saying things like "I'm complex" and Hurley saying "I'm unlucky", but other than general descriptions of who they are, have any characters talked about specific incidents in their past prior to the time we first see a "flashback" of that incident? Closest thing I can think, short of going back and watching lots of episodes, is the "I never" game Sawyer and Kate play, but again we don't get any details. Maybe any given Lostie really is a virtual tabula rosa before they "learn" about their past through a flashback -- prior to that time, they have a vague understanding of what their lives were like, but not the details?

There are numerous examples more specific than "complex" and "unlucky".
Sayid told Hurley he was in the gulf war, Jack said it was impossible for his dad to be on the island, Locke told Walt that a miracle happened to him, Kate was ready to tell Jack why she was a prisoner, Eko knew about the statue having drugs in it, Jack said he got the tattoos in Phuket, and the list goes on.

I'm sure you can add an "epicycle" to your argument and say maybe they had flashbacks that we didn't see, but that doesn't get us anywhere.

But you did make me think of a couple of things. First, Sayid told Danielle that Nadia was dead, then a later flashback showed she was alive and he was on the flight to go meet her.
And Sawyer showed Kate the letter, went by the name Sawyer, then later flashbacks showed he was actually hunting Sawyer, which he told Kate afterward. But if you assume the obvious, that he was lying to Kate, it makes perfect sense. And besides, he then seemed to remember about the real Saywer and his father long before the flashback to his childhood.

Tramp

09-15-2006, 05:50 PM

There are numerous examples more specific than "complex" and "unlucky".
Sayid told Hurley he was in the gulf war, Jack said it was impossible for his dad to be on the island, Locke told Walt that a miracle happened to him, Kate was ready to tell Jack why she was a prisoner, Eko knew about the statue having drugs in it, Jack said he got the tattoos in Phuket, and the list goes on.

I'm sure you can add an "epicycle" to your argument and say maybe they had flashbacks that we didn't see, but that doesn't get us anywhere.

I think those are good examples, and go a long way towards refuting the idea. I just couldn't think of any. And I agree that if they had "flashbacks" we didn't see, that would spoil the integrity of the concept.

The only way around it that I can see would be if, again, the "Clonies" already had certain pieces of vague information (or memories?) in their heads -- maybe even some fairly specific images to act as "triggers" for the downloading of the full background stories, which are uploaded/transferred as needed. Perhaps the Clonies even have some shadowy "imprint" of the real person's memories, but ones that can be manipulated and altered (for instance, to include all of the other Losties woven into their past) with each successive download.

But I have to say, I think your mention of the statues is the one that I have the most trouble explaining -- that's a pretty specific memory for Eko to have, prior to any flashback. And I think I'm stretching a bit to make this work after all, as you predicted...

Still, one more thought, along the lines of the "Human Stash" thread. If there had already been a massive, world-altering event in the real world -- such as a comet collision, nuclear holocaust, magnetic pole shift, etc. -- the island could be a perfect lab for working out generations of clones to try to find ones that were genetically viable for the changed world. Truly a "snowglobe" of a protected environment, with a ravaged world outside: "Because this is it. This is all there is left. This ocean and this place here. We are stuck in a bloody snow globe. There's no outside world."

The original DNA donors are long dead. But each generation of Clonies is made to believe a plane crash occurred in 2004 because although that's a traumatic event, it explains how they all got to the island in a neatly packaged way, and it's preferable to explain than telling them immediately that they're clones, and the world "they" knew doesn't exist any more (it might be many years in the future, in reality). If so, then the storyline of the Losties is all about gradually getting them accustomed to a number of levels unreality, so that they can eventually be taken into the real world. But I still think there's room in this theory for competing camps of "Others", etc.

It would mean any children of the Clonies would be pretty important, because they would be offspring that would need to be nurtured if it turned out this generation of Clonies was genetically the right one...

And by the way, it might mean that Penny isn't really in the Arctic...maybe
everywhere other than the island is now arctic...

Now wait, how did I get here from wooshing audio cues?:confused: Sorry for the digression.

DrShephard

09-16-2006, 07:45 PM

And by the way, it might mean that Penny isn't really in the Arctic...maybe everywhere other than the island is now arctic...First of all, there's no digression! Sometimes it's following such trails of thought that lead to the best revelations. :smile:

I actually think this last idea is very intriguing. It has never added up to me how or why Penny would have people in the Arctic for a "race around the world". Why on earth would such a race go anywhere near the Arctic? Therefore I think it's an interesting question to ask, "What if there were now places that looked like the Arctic but weren't before?" Could the world have suffered a global warming type of effect, the kind we saw exaggerated in the movie The Day After Tomorrow? What if somehow that effect was inadvertently accelerated by the DHARMA Initiative?

Hmmm.

Richardstone

09-16-2006, 07:49 PM

First of all, there's no digression! Sometimes it's following such trails of thought that lead to the best revelations. :smile:

I actually think this last idea is very intriguing. It has never added up to me how or why Penny would have people in the Arctic for a "race around the world". Why on earth would such a race go anywhere near the Arctic?

I don't think the race went anywhere near the Arctic, Desmond went missing in the Pacific, same as Henry Gale, Oceanic 815, Danielle, etc...

The two Portugese scientists were at or near the pole because that's where the magnetic anomaly is best detected, that's my guess anyway...

rvturnage

09-18-2006, 10:01 AM

I agree w/Richard. But to take it a step further, I believe they were in Antartica, which is realatively close to Australia...perhaps the isoloation of the terrain there was needed to keep her search secret.

Tramp

09-18-2006, 10:51 AM

I agree that unless something very strange is going on (e.g., they island is more massive than we think and they are actually on the island but in a section where the weather is being radically altered :biggrin:), the researchers are likely in Antarctica.

What I still can't figure out is how Penny would know that (a) Desmond is on the island; (b) the island is invisible to other methods of detection; and (c) every so often someone screws up and forgets to press a button so that the island becomes "visible."

(a) and (b) can be explained by Penny knowing about the island through her father and the Hanso Foundation, although there's got to be a helluva backstory coming to fill in those gaps. It's (c) that troubles me -- we know that Penny apparently was searching for Desmond (or for the island at least) as early as the first time Des failed to press the button, but even if she knew about the island why did she believe there would be an "incident" that would allow it to become visible?

I can think of only two explanations. First, her love is so absolute, and she knows enough about the island's electromagnetic properties, that she is willing to stick two researchers in the Antarctic for as many years as necessary based on the mere possibility that the island will reveal itself in some way. Second, while she does not know the location of the island, she knows all about the island and what's going on there, including the fact that the people in the Hatch are being tested or experimented on in some fashion that is likely to lead to disruptions in the electromagnetic field.
100%
I noticed one additional odd thing about the snow-covered mountains in "Live Together, Die Alone" outside the research facility, which may or may not be important. If you compare the image of what appears to be a tropical mountain range in the Sri Lanka video when Hanso is describing the "facility"...

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3zgt_segment_start_320x240.jpg

...with the aforementioned snow-covered range in "Live Together, Die Alone", there is a vague similarity that makes me wonder if it's intentional (or maybe I'm just imagining it because mountain ranges pretty much all look the same).

It's not a direct comparison -- it seems to me that if the view of the mountains in the Sri Lanka video are head-on, then the view in LTDA from the window of the research facility would be from off to the right somewhat, and the ridges and valleys then would match up somewhat.

Probably nothing, though.

The Cube

09-19-2006, 07:57 AM

Rekk14

09-19-2006, 02:30 PM

DrShephard

09-19-2006, 05:33 PM

Just started my work on the Season 2 audio, and I'll lead off with a somewhat amusing look at the "scrambled" sounding audio from LDTA, when Kate goes to talk to Jack about the boat. It turns out that part of the audio was indeed reversed...but it matches the audio just before it! RVT and I think that it's possible that the sound team did this to either cover up a problem with the original sound or just to make the scene seem busier. Still, it's amusing to listen to. The following is the exact same scene played in forward and reverse:

- Boat scene (forward) (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s2e23/2.23-BoatDiscussion.mp3)
- Boat scene (backward) (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s2e23/2.23-BoatDiscussion-Rev.mp3)

In One of Them, during the infamous frog scene, I thought I heard a voice deeply embedded in this clip around the 6 or 7 second mark. However, it's very hard to hear, so no worries if you either miss this one or I'm crazy. That's what happens when one does these things late at night. ;)

- Frog whisper (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s2e14/2.14-Frog.mp3)

Scenes I listened to but did not find any whispers or hidden audio:

- When Henry is found in the trap (One of Them)
- When Charlie can't hear, after the explosion (Live Together, Die Alone)

Finally, Laura has done a great job updating the Season 1 checklist based on previous findings, so if you would like to see the master list, all you have to do is go to the beginning of this thread (as always!).

More to come...

QuinceTheCarpenter

09-19-2006, 08:02 PM

Just checking in with the Whispers crowd - I have been occasionally lurking this summer, but have been so involved with the Experience, that I have largely ignored the Theory forum ... but I expect to catch up with this thread and maybe post a bit more here once season three begins.

I did exchange PM's with RVT earlier this summer about some possible hidden audio in some of the Experience Rachel Blake videos, but these were background voices rather than whispers.

Meanwhile, if you like puzzles, check out my Fantastic Fuselyph F'adventure thread in the Experience section. There is a link to some tasty prize info. in my sig. ;)
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First of all, there's no digression! Sometimes it's following such trails of thought that lead to the best revelations. :smile:

I actually think this last idea is very intriguing. It has never added up to me how or why Penny would have people in the Arctic for a "race around the world". Why on earth would such a race go anywhere near the Arctic? . I saw a special recently about a young British woman, Ellen MacArthur, setting the solo 'around the world' sailing record. The route is not exactly what you might expect and actually does go south and around antarctica and then north again.

Here is an article about the feat: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/sailing/4229079.stm

Here is a map of her route:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/sailing/3979161.stm

Here is an animated view of the route:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/sailing/4192517.stm

Note that the map is a little deceptive. They actually sail close around Antarctica between northward and southward runs in the Atlantic.

Aside from any connection to lost theorizing, this is a really amazing story, and a very brave person. She was knighted for her courage.
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I agree w/Richard. But to take it a step further, I believe they were in Antartica, which is realatively close to Australia...perhaps the isoloation of the terrain there was needed to keep her search secret.
This race route supports RVT's assertion that they may be in the Antarctic.

DrShephard

09-19-2006, 09:35 PM

Hey again,
I am still very new to this site, but I love what people put into it. I've been trying for quite some time to hear the whispers, and to no avail. I've taken all three tracks, and played them in sync, as well as on their own (backwards as well as fowards), and I can hear mildly audible feedback-ish garble. Am I doing something wrong still, because I feel like I should be hearing crisp, distinguishable voices, or at least translateable without reading the script from the site. Are the voices supposed to be this unaudible, or is it me?

-- Thanks ahead of timeHello and welcome, Rekk14! Thanks for joining in. There is a lot more info on this in the first few posts of the thread, but generally you will never hear crisp, distinguishable voices. There are a few cases where you can, and in my opinion the very first whisper transcripts (season 1) are the easiest to pick out. Since then the producers have embedded and manipulated the audio much more--to make it more difficult for us, I imagine. Still, be sure to listen to each track separately and follow along...hopefully some of the lines will reach out to you!

I saw a special recently about a young British woman, Ellen MacArthur, setting the solo 'around the world' sailing record. The route is not exactly what you might expect and actually does go south and around antarctica and then north again.Hey, Quince! Good to see you, my friend. And that's a very interesting link about the path Ms. MacArthur took. I can't for the life of me fathom how someone would have that much courage--it's truly astonishing.

I like TheCube's point that perhaps Desmond was lured to the island, given its apparent ties to Widmore. We saw Sawyer and Michael somehow get routed back to the island, Desmond suffer a similar fate, and now Michael again will try yet again. Combined with the fact that something is keeping the island from being discovered, it seems very likely to me that a greater force is at work here.

LostLaura

09-19-2006, 10:15 PM

QuinceTheCarpenter

09-20-2006, 02:04 PM

I noticed that the link in post #1 to transcripts at Long Lost List is out of date. http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major%20arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm

I found this new link http://www.staff.longlostlist.net/viewtopic.php?t=155&sid=5f6fc7a8d57f18fc413e5331c7e6f253
but it appears to be a place holder with no whispers transcript content so far.

LostLaura

09-20-2006, 02:08 PM

DrShephard

09-20-2006, 05:43 PM

Good work! I want to say yet again that I would love to have another set of ears listen in on these, if you have the time, just to make sure I'm not missing anything. If any of you have a Mac and are interested in how to break down the DVD audio files, I can share my methods for doing so. I believe it was timdorr who has already posted a terrific explanation of how to break down the audio through Windows--a link is located in the introductory posts to this thread.

Oh, and Laura, I'm sorry for the confusion, but please break my frog scene whisper apart from the one Pen's working on. Hers is the hidden audio actually embedded in the frog itself.

Thank you!

Madge

09-20-2006, 06:16 PM

Question: (and sorry if it's been brought up before)
How does one go about decyphering these whispers? I'm just thinking that my husband has a room full of sound equipment and was wondering if he may have something that could assist you guys. I appreciate the work you've put into this (and boy you've done a lot of work), but I'm dying to know what the whispers in the finale said. If he has the right stuff, I'd gladly help out.

LostLaura

09-20-2006, 06:45 PM

Oh, and Laura, I'm sorry for the confusion, but please break my frog scene whisper apart from the one Pen's working on. Hers is the hidden audio actually embedded in the frog itself.

Thank you!

Thanks, Doc. I actually was confused by that when I was updating the list. Can you tell me which frog scene in particular yours is from? I am not able to listen to any sound files on my laptop because the sound skips (still dying to buy that MacBook and throw this piece of s**t in the trash...), so I am not able to listen for any dialogue that is during the scene. Thanks.

Question: (and sorry if it's been brought up before)
How does one go about decyphering these whispers? I'm just thinking that my husband has a room full of sound equipment and was wondering if he may have something that could assist you guys. I appreciate the work you've put into this (and boy you've done a lot of work), but I'm dying to know what the whispers in the finale said. If he has the right stuff, I'd gladly help out.

Hi Madge, Welcome! :wavey:
Read through the first 3 posts of the thread. Everything you need to know about what we do and how it's done, and how you can participate, is all there. :biggrin:

DrShephard

09-20-2006, 10:07 PM

Thanks, Doc. I actually was confused by that when I was updating the list. Can you tell me which frog scene in particular yours is from?It's actually from the same scene. Pen's is in the actual noises made by the frog, and mine came from what seemed to be a voice in the background (amidst the overall jungle noise). So: Pen's=frog, mine=not frog. ;)

LostLaura

09-20-2006, 10:28 PM

It's actually from the same scene. Pen's is in the actual noises made by the frog, and mine came from what seemed to be a voice in the background (amidst the overall jungle noise). So: Pen's=frog, mine=not frog. ;)

Got it.

Rekk14

09-21-2006, 11:55 AM

Richardstone

09-21-2006, 12:07 PM

I've always had trouble hearing the hidden audio too Rekk14..

They are, IMO, a completely different kettle of fish to the whispers, which everyone can hear...

And even with the whispers it's tough, I'm crossing my fingers that we might get some new transcripts for the whispers from the finale, I think everyone heard 'Elizabeth', that was one of the clearest whispers yet...

:cool:

LostLaura

09-21-2006, 12:16 PM

Hey Everyone,

This is the third time I've posted after trying to figure out how to listen to the audio, and I've pretty much reached my breaking point. I was looking through this Lockedown Audio (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=944253) thread of the site, and tried to follow along with the first audio decryption on there (from Lockedown). I downloaded the mp3 and tried my damndest to read the text provided in the thread along with what I was hearing - but I heard literally nothing. Do I need a program to speed up or slow down the audio, or something to break apart the raw audio feed. I cannot believe that just listening to the unaltered format can yield any decerable "whisper". If this is the case, and you dont have to alter the mp3 file, then I really question if what other people are hearing is anything more than their minds telling them to hear what the script says. I love this site, and this forum, but I feel way to burnt out always coming to dead ends with this stuff. If anyone can provide me with a step-by-step guide on how to do it that would be amazing.

-- Thanks ahead of time

Hey again, Rekk. Sorry noone replied to your second post. (ETA: actually Doc replied). I went back and see that now a page back. My first reply to you still stands, though:

Check out the first several posts of this thread. There's audio and transcripts available. Tons of information to go through, including ways of improving the audio quality so you can hear it better.
Hopefully some of that will help you.

Then post back and tell us your findings. :)

Did you read the third post of the thread? There's helpful info in there from Pen and RVT.

Also, I really think Doc's reply to you is the bottom line:

Hello and welcome, Rekk14! Thanks for joining in. There is a lot more info on this in the first few posts of the thread, but generally you will never hear crisp, distinguishable voices. There are a few cases where you can, and in my opinion the very first whisper transcripts (season 1) are the easiest to pick out. Since then the producers have embedded and manipulated the audio much more--to make it more difficult for us, I imagine. Still, be sure to listen to each track separately and follow along...hopefully some of the lines will reach out to you!

And Richardstone's reply now (above) is spot-on, too. Whispers are one thing. Hidden Audio is another. I can barely hear the Whispers. And I have never head the Hidden Audio. Some of us choose to believe, even if we can't personally hear it. And some of us can hear it. :biggrin:

As for a step-by-step guide... I'm sorry, there just isn't anything like that. It's trial and error. Pen and RVT have their listening and transcription process, and they've explained that in their introductory posts. But a step-by-step process for the rest of us? I think the best we can do is recommend listening over and over without looking at the transcripts. And if you start to hear anything, see if it comes close to what Pen and RVT heard. But Pen and RVT have software and good headphones and spend hours and hours on this stuff. So you may never hear it. Especially the hidden audio.

I definitely recommend working on hearing Whisperse before you work on hearing Hidden Audio. Start with Abandoned. That's what started it all for this thread, after all. :biggrin: Hope that helps. :cool:

Rekk14

09-21-2006, 02:08 PM

Madge

09-21-2006, 04:08 PM

Hi Madge, Welcome! :wavey:
Read through the first 3 posts of the thread. Everything you need to know about what we do and how it's done, and how you can participate, is all there. :biggrin:

Groovey, I'll check it out and see if any of that 'stuff' (keeping it clean) in the husband's music/computer room will come in handy.

DrShephard

09-21-2006, 07:31 PM

Rekk, I understand your frustration, but I do think in part it's because you started with the hardest audio of all. My understanding (and I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I'm going from memory here), is that the hidden audio is almost always distorted. Partially into Season 2, the producers decided to make things tougher on those that were deciphering these things...my biased opinion telling me that this was largely because of threads like this one! Still, the hidden audio is extremely cryptic and often slowed down to the point where you can't pick anything out clearly by listening to the unaltered files.

To me, the very best hidden audio to listen to is the one that comes from Smokey. I listened to that one and could definitely hear pieces of the dialogue--it wasn't crystal clear, but it was absolutely clear enough to tell me that this was no ordinary sound. And I did hear a few of the words fairly distinctly.

Believe it or not, everything I've just mentioned is completely reinforced by the "whispers" in Live Together, Die Alone. What used to be faint, overlapping whispered dialogue has now turned into very distorted audio. The louder whispers you hear in the show are quite distinct, but underneath that (scattered across the channels) is very complex, electronically altered dialogue. I would think that this is a part of why the transcripts have taken longer than expected. At any rate, things are just nowhere near as easy as they used to be. :smile:

Still, what is this, if not a challenge? We've got some truly top-notch people here, and in addition to those things still outstanding, it will be interesting to see what they throw at us in Season 3. My guess is that they'll generally make things easier on us after the trials and tribulations of Season 2.

Time to wait and see...

jennylee27

09-21-2006, 07:42 PM

Thanks LostLaura, I appreciate the help. I will try it again (starting with Abandoned), and work my way slowly. Thanks for the explanation as to how Pen and RVT do it, as I feel much more comfort in knowing they have sound gear to detect the whispers.

-- Thanks as always
Oh yeah, and they definitely don't use the MP3s. Someone breaks the sound out into cleaner files for them. :biggrin: They will share them, I'm sure, though they haven't been around much during the hiatus.

car88win

09-26-2006, 08:56 AM

Oh good call, Quince. Thanks. I actually have the corrected link in my signature. I don't know how I forgot to update post #1, as well.

It's http://www.longlostlist.net/listforum/major_arcana/whispers/WHISPERS.htm

Thanks.

ETA: I also updated the S2 checklist with Doc's finds.

Laura, just cruisin by. Is there something we need to update on the LLL? I try to keep up with this and want to be sure not to miss anything. ;) Thanks!

LostLaura

09-26-2006, 09:05 AM

Laura, just cruisin by. Is there something we need to update on the LLL? I try to keep up with this and want to be sure not to miss anything. ;) Thanks!

Hey Car,
No, I don't think so. Todell PMed me awhile back that the URL for the LLL Whispers had changed and that I should change the link in my signature. Not sure why the URL changed... I know that she updated the introductory information at the top of the page, though.

PhilB

09-27-2006, 03:07 PM

LostLaura

09-27-2006, 03:10 PM

Forgive me but I haven't seen any new transcripts posted in months. Am I looking in the wrong place?

In particular I'd like to know if any work was done on the season finale episode, particularly when Jack and co. were tranq'ed and captured.

Pen and RVT are still working on the LTDA Whispers.

You're looking in the right place, if you are looking at the 2nd post of the thread. Also, the checklist gets updated (S2 checklist is the 5th post).
Also, if you want to receive a PM when a new transcript is available, PM jennylee27 and she'll add you to the list.

PhilB

09-27-2006, 03:14 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I'm on the list but haven't received anything new since 7/27, hence my inquiry here.

Just making sure I was looking in the right place. It's that Lost itch, yah know...? :)

LostLaura

09-27-2006, 03:15 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I'm on the list but haven't received anything new since 7/27, hence my inquiry here.

Just making sure I was looking in the right place. It's that Lost itch, yah know...? :)

Oh, I totally know. :biggrin:

shootfire

10-05-2006, 06:09 AM

Just had to come and ask the audio experts...was that sound mixing equipment in the Hydra Station? It's driving me nuts. Thanks.

rvturnage

10-05-2006, 08:49 AM

okay...we lost 2 days worth of posts...what the:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: !

okay...I'm calm now...:)

so, I'll repost the transcripts from LTDA in a sec...just want to go on record here...I'm guessing Juliette is one of the "group 2" voices, that are the less antagonistic and possibly trying to help the Losties...

rvt
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the transcript that got lost..heheh.."lost" hehehe:
all we've got so far is the Center Channel so far...there is Left and Right channel audio as well, but we've not gotten close enough to post on those.

in some of these lines, we couldn't come to a consensus, so there are both choices listed, sepereate by a "/"...hopefully we'll get the left and right done soon, but...in the mean time...

The mp3 can be heard here (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/S2e24/whispers2x24CENTER.mp3)

Center Channel
1. Unitelligable voice; possibly Michael or Hurley (23 sec)
2. this is no good/ Let's do something/We're near them (23.8 sec)
3. He's asking him something (27 sec)
4. (yeah but) What Happened (28.25) (female/child-like)
5. they saw a smoke signal (very faint, "signal" after "Elizabeth" , 28.8 sec)
6. Elizabeth (29.5 same voice as #3)
7. Did (does) somebody see you / It looks like her but.(31.4)
8. You' re on her right (32.4)
9. Behind you (33.34 distorted voice)
10. I'll have to listen to the dreams(trees?) to learn/to find something (34.4)
11. He'll need to instruct you/do we ambush (36.5)
12. why can't you (two?) do it / Can‚t you see (37.5)
{Sawyer gets hit with dart}
13. Got to have a team with you (39.2, "with you" behind shock sound)
{sawyer gets shot/shocked}
14. Okay crank it up (40.4, behind kate talking)
{Kate: Sawyer!}
15. I knew that something bad would happen (41.4 sec, in the background sounds like a chant or music)
16. I assume this is how you would do it (Sped up a little 43 sec)
17. don‚t tell anyone he wants it done/ Don't want anyone to die (44.4)
18. lets assemble them/ This is similar/whats this symbol of(45.5 very high, faint whisper, overlaps "die")
{Jack: Run! Go! Go!}
19.inaudible whisper (50.25 spoken fast.)
20. It was her (50.4, overlaps previous line)
21. so she was never taken/so she must never take it/I'm sure it‚s just new to you(51.4)
22. Said I was about to/someone attacked them (53.2)
23. Get your butt out of there (54.3)
24. try the sequence (faint, 55.9)
25. had to be given lessons (57.47)
26 turn it on beside you (60)
27. don't do it {inaudbile} (faint, in the background 61.6)
28. Don't see {inaudible behind gunshots} (63.6)
29. inaudible (65.8)
30. you're gonna have to do it (66.8)
31. you are too (68.3)
32. why can't we choose/I can't reach it(69 sounds female)
33.Two more people / Too young people (70.8)
34. I'm frightened (71.7 somewhat child-like/feminine)
35. Please (overlaps "frightened" 72.24)
36. come on it's simple (73, somewhat child-like/feminine)
37. unitelligable, in background. almost sounds like "intruder alert" (75.42)
38. Do you think I should I lock this (77)
39. No , I've seen them before (78.5)
40. Close the door (79.75)
41. You all need me (81.6 spoken slowly, sounds like darth vader breathing...)

LostLaura

10-05-2006, 09:35 AM

omg please please get our posts back!!!! :frown: :frown: :frown:

This is so sad. We had some fun theorizing yesterday. :frown:

Ok, I got an email that there was a new post in this thread, and it was Doc's post. That was the last notice I got before the board went kaput. Here is Doc's post. Maybe it'll help us repost our thoughts? :confused:

Best wishes to you, Jenni! We've always loved your contributions here and wish you all the best on Sunday and beyond. Hope to see you back here sooner than later. :smile:

Richard, I completely agree with you on the "mental chatter" theory. I'm at work right now and don't have time to look it up, but if you go back to the last thread where the autopsy tape is posted, there were some serious discussions about the sources of the whispers (and how they're related to flashbacks). I have always felt that the whispers were some sort of side-effect of their real intent...which a lot of our evidence shows to be mental telepathy/direction of some kind. This side effect could also easily be present in flashbacks if they're being read or scanned using a similar process.

And, and I too like the reference to the doors, Jenny. It seems to me like the most obvious "door" reference might be related to the hatches--after all, there are at least two that we have never seen, right? The Others are probably not living above ground, so my bet is that they're living in at least one of these other hatches.

Perhaps we'll find out tonight. :grin:

bigmouth

10-05-2006, 09:47 AM

OK, I wasn't here yesterday so forgive me if this has been discussed. But are there any theories on why the whispers in Swan refer to Fenry as "Henry" instead of "Ben"? Seems to me this is either a major glitch or a big clue.

LostLaura

10-05-2006, 09:54 AM

Oh yeah! Jeez.... good point. Well, consistency error, major clue, or Pen and RVT made a mistake.... Hard to say.

Of course, if the Others are 2 groups as we were discussing, then one group may not know who Ben is? And since he introduced himself as Henry they referred to him as Henry because they don't know him?

TabbyRasa

10-05-2006, 10:29 AM

Just a quick reminder that Christian's voice saying "Let it go" on Jack's loudspeaker in the brilliant Season 3 opener is somewhat like Sawyer hearing what's-his-name saying "It'll come back around". That is, maybe it's memory-harvesting, maybe it's The Whispers, and maybe there is hidden audio in the loudspeaker segment. ;)

Sam G

10-05-2006, 10:32 AM

http://www.thefuselage.net/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1192078&postcount=4

Newest word from Karri not looking good.

rvturnage

10-05-2006, 10:41 AM

I don't think the posts from yesterday are lost, just on a different server. Per Karri she thinks we will have them all. thanks for the heads up, Sam!

OK, I wasn't here yesterday so forgive me if this has been discussed. But are there any theories on why the whispers in Swan refer to Fenry as "Henry" instead of "Ben"? Seems to me this is either a major glitch or a big clue.

We discussed it when we first found out his name wasn't really Henry...could be a slew of things. Perhaps they were using the name "Henry" in case they were heard accidently (like the whispers)...Perhaps we were wrong. Could be that they were saying "Ben" then. Henry and Ben do sound similar, and we very well could have mis-heard.

We'll never really know for sure, until they release some audio scripts.

Of course, if the Others are 2 groups as we were discussing, then one group may not know who Ben is? And since he introduced himself as Henry they referred to him as Henry because they don't know him?
I'm thinking there's only 1 group of Others, but with a sub-group that is much more empathetic to the Losties and not as passive/agressive as Ben's ( I keep wanting to call him Henry...).

And my money is on Juliette being among that group. She's already been seen to be having issues with Ben being the "leader" and asserting her own free will in the book club scenes.

I've got to go back and freshen up on some of those older transcripts....

rvt

Richardstone

10-05-2006, 10:59 AM

I think there's one group with many ideological factions within it, there are no "other others" IMO...

Wow, we lost two whole days!

:frown:

rvturnage

10-05-2006, 11:09 AM

I think there's one group with many ideological factions within it, there are no "other others" IMO...

Wow, we lost two whole days!

:frown:

it appears so...there's still a chance they can pull the data, though.

In the meantime, Laura do you (or anyone else) have the little breakdown I did on how I thought the last transcript would be broken into "groups"? I've got several emails saved, but that's not among them...no need to repost, unless someone else wants it. You can just PM me if you like.

oh, and Richard...stay outta my head. :biggrin:

rvt

penyours

10-05-2006, 11:53 AM

Oh man, I mildly freaked yesterday afternoon when the fuselage went down! It was tough not checking out the boards after show. (And I have to add the other Lost forum boards just don't compare!)

Just a quick reminder that Christian's voice saying "Let it go" on Jack's loudspeaker in the brilliant Season 3 opener is somewhat like Sawyer hearing what's-his-name saying "It'll come back around". That is, maybe it's memory-harvesting, maybe it's The Whispers, and maybe there is hidden audio in the loudspeaker segment. ;)

Yup defintiely add the intercom to the list. I have to go back and check, but when I was watching the TV broadcast something told me there might be hidden voices in the last scene with Jack and Juliet, though let me check to make sure.

We discussed it when we first found out his name wasn't really Henry...could be a slew of things. Perhaps they were using the name "Henry" in case they were heard accidently (like the whispers)...Perhaps we were wrong. Could be that they were saying "Ben" then. Henry and Ben do sound similar, and we very well could have mis-heard.

We'll never really know for sure, until they release some audio scripts.

Yeah I think any of these explanations is possible, When I heard his name, the first thing I thought was that it Ben sounds like Henry

I'm thinking there's only 1 group of Others, but with a sub-group that is much more empathetic to the Losties and not as passive/agressive as Ben's ( I keep wanting to call him Henry...).

And my money is on Juliette being among that group. She's already been seen to be having issues with Ben being the "leader" and asserting her own free will in the book club scenes.

I've got to go back and freshen up on some of those older transcripts....

rvt

Yup sure seems like Juliette will be a dissenter. Perhaps that's why they named her Juliette - she falls for Jack and the two become star-crossed lovers. Her wants disagreeing with her family ie the others. Also, as an obscure side note her vibe and appearance are similar to Alex, who we know does things to work against the others.

And Shootfire, the equipment that Juliette was fiddling with doesn't look like modern mixing equipment, thought the layout could match what a soundboard looks like. However, if a person was sitting down in the chair and looking at the machine, it would be upside down for a conventional soundboard. Which leads to the question, what is that machine for? It certainly controls the sound in the two rooms, but does it do somethign else as well.

TabbyRasa

10-05-2006, 11:57 AM

I posted this on the Tiberius thread, but it goes here too:

I'm going to post this on the Whispers thread, too.

Something about the scene with Juliet in the mirror reminded me again of the scene in What Kate Did, where Kate put on the music ("Walking After Midnight").

In both scenes, they appear to not only enjoy the music, but almost lose themselves in the music. Now I know that music can be very powerful and affect moods, especially for avid music lovers, but the scenes really make me wonder.

Could there be subliminal effects in the music? In the story, that is (and yeah, yeah, for us, too). ;)

Someone posted that the "Downtown" CD was in the wrong case (a Talking Heads album). Maybe this is a clue that there's something not quite right about the music!

Not to add to rvt's and Pen's to-do list, but... ;)

Did we ever analyze the "Walking After Midnight" segment in "What Kate Did"?

Maybe we need to analyze the "Downtown" segment in "A Tale of Two Cities"...

Just a feeling...
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Also, the "Moonlight Serenade" segments...in the "A Tale of Two Cities" Jack/car FB, and the Hurley/Sayid scene from a previous epi...

(Sorry, server too busy to look it up on the to-do list)

penyours

10-05-2006, 05:17 PM

I posted this on the Tiberius thread, but it goes here too:

Not to add to rvt's and Pen's to-do list, but... ;)

Did we ever analyze the "Walking After Midnight" segment in "What Kate Did"?

Maybe we need to analyze the "Downtown" segment in "A Tale of Two Cities"...

Just a feeling...
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Also, the "Moonlight Serenade" segments...in the "A Tale of Two Cities" Jack/car FB, and the Hurley/Sayid scene from a previous epi...

(Sorry, server too busy to look it up on the to-do list)

Tabby! Good call, especially because there was hidden audio in the jazz song Locke was playing. I posted a partial draft of the Sayid/Hurley moonlight serenade scene in the old thread, bascially the voices said they noticed that someone had tuned into their ignal and that they cover things up.

DrShephard

10-05-2006, 05:55 PM

omg please please get our posts back!!!! :frown: :frown: :frown:

This is so sad. We had some fun theorizing yesterday. :frown:

Ok, I got an email that there was a new post in this thread, and it was Doc's post. That was the last notice I got before the board went kaput. Here is Doc's post. Maybe it'll help us repost our thoughts?Thanks very much for at least saving that post, Laura--that was very helpful. If you look at the end of what I posted, I think the answer to that question is, "Absolutely!" So now we know that the Others are living in at least one hatch (Hydra), and we also know that the Others are in possession of Walt and/or whoever's doing the whispers...so could the door referenced be a door inside one of the hatches? Seems like a strong possibility to me.

And I may be wrong, but I think we all meant one large group of Others with factions in it. That's definitely what I was thinking, anyway. Either way, I certainly agree.

Finally, there seems like 110% chance of hidden audio in that loudspeaker. To me, everything just points to some kind of memory scanning. I wouldn't even be that surprised if the paper work that Juliette had all came from a Smokey download...

LostLaura

10-05-2006, 06:13 PM

Just wanted to give you all a little more information, courtesy of the paid subscribers forum where Karri posted some extra information for us... basically the company that provided the servers that Karri runs on was f-ed over by some guy with a fake name who milked everyone from their $ and apparently skipped town. Now, that guy owes about 98K to the real server hosts, the big guys. And those guys have shut down access to the old data of all of the websites that run on the servers that the dude was selling server space. The big guys don't care about the individual website hosts because the server info. is all in this other guy's name--not even in the name of the company that Karri was paying. Does that make sense? It's a little hard to explain. Anyway, it's going to be a legal battle and will be a long time, probably, before Karri knows if she'll ever get our lost data back. I think we're just lucky to have *anything* at this point. And thanks to her we only lost 2 days... Sigh.

Just a quick reminder that Christian's voice saying "Let it go" on Jack's loudspeaker in the brilliant Season 3 opener is somewhat like Sawyer hearing what's-his-name saying "It'll come back around". That is, maybe it's memory-harvesting, maybe it's The Whispers, and maybe there is hidden audio in the loudspeaker segment. ;)

Good call. Jenny's in charge of the S3 checklist and will do all the updating when she gets back from a conference she's at. By the way, she loved the premiere and I'm sure would want you all to know that. :biggrin:

We discussed it when we first found out his name wasn't really Henry...could be a slew of things. Perhaps they were using the name "Henry" in case they were heard accidently (like the whispers)...Perhaps we were wrong. Could be that they were saying "Ben" then. Henry and Ben do sound similar, and we very well could have mis-heard.

We'll never really know for sure, until they release some audio scripts.

I'm thinking there's only 1 group of Others, but with a sub-group that is much more empathetic to the Losties and not as passive/agressive as Ben's ( I keep wanting to call him Henry...).

And my money is on Juliette being among that group. She's already been seen to be having issues with Ben being the "leader" and asserting her own free will in the book club scenes.

I've got to go back and freshen up on some of those older transcripts....

rvt

It does make sense that Ben and Henry sound similiar... Oh, Benry... heh. :rolleyes:

I think there's one group with many ideological factions within it, there are no "other others" IMO...

Wow, we lost two whole days!

:frown:

Yeah, I think you guys are right about the "no other others".

As for the 2 days... I think there's a good chance I can repost it all via my email account updates. I'll see what I can do.

it appears so...there's still a chance they can pull the data, though.

In the meantime, Laura do you (or anyone else) have the little breakdown I did on how I thought the last transcript would be broken into "groups"? I've got several emails saved, but that's not among them...no need to repost, unless someone else wants it. You can just PM me if you like.

oh, and Richard...stay outta my head. :biggrin:

rvt

Gonna find it for you and post it. Not gonna PM it. I want it here. :biggrin:

Oh man, I mildly freaked yesterday afternoon when the fuselage went down! It was tough not checking out the boards after show. (And I have to add the other Lost forum boards just don't compare!) I went on a couple other boards for like.... 2 minutes and then was like "What's the point? it's not the 'Lage." and went to bed. :rolleyes:

Yup defintiely add the intercom to the list. I have to go back and check, but when I was watching the TV broadcast something told me there might be hidden voices in the last scene with Jack and Juliet, though let me check to make sure. Let us know if you find anything...

Yup sure seems like Juliette will be a dissenter. Perhaps that's why they named her Juliette - she falls for Jack and the two become star-crossed lovers. Her wants disagreeing with her family ie the others. Also, as an obscure side note her vibe and appearance are similar to Alex, who we know does things to work against the others. Good call on the name "Juliette." She doesn't just have the vibe of Alex, though. She's got the Sarah, Penny, Libby vibe too. It's all too weird.

And Shootfire, the equipment that Juliette was fiddling with doesn't look like modern mixing equipment, thought the layout could match what a soundboard looks like. However, if a person was sitting down in the chair and looking at the machine, it would be upside down for a conventional soundboard. Which leads to the question, what is that machine for? It certainly controls the sound in the two rooms, but does it do somethign else as well.

It could be dials to help perform tests on the sharks and dolphins. Maybe shocking them... lighting up the acquarium... dunno.

I posted this on the Tiberius thread, but it goes here too:

Not to add to rvt's and Pen's to-do list, but... ;)

Did we ever analyze the "Walking After Midnight" segment in "What Kate Did"?

Maybe we need to analyze the "Downtown" segment in "A Tale of Two Cities"...

Just a feeling...
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Also, the "Moonlight Serenade" segments...in the "A Tale of Two Cities" Jack/car FB, and the Hurley/Sayid scene from a previous epi...

(Sorry, server too busy to look it up on the to-do list) All good ideas. Jenny will add the S3 ones. I'll add Kate in WKD turning on the music if it's not there yet.

Tabby! Good call, especially because there was hidden audio in the jazz song Locke was playing. I posted a partial draft of the Sayid/Hurley moonlight serenade scene in the old thread, bascially the voices said they noticed that someone had tuned into their ignal and that they cover things up.

Wait, so what about Desmond's opening scene of S2? Should that be added too?

Thanks very much for at least saving that post, Laura--that was very helpful. If you look at the end of what I posted, I think the answer to that question is, "Absolutely!" So now we know that the Others are living in at least one hatch (Hydra), and we also know that the Others are in possession of Walt and/or whoever's doing the whispers...so could the door referenced be a door inside one of the hatches? Seems like a strong possibility to me.

And I may be wrong, but I think we all meant one large group of Others with factions in it. That's definitely what I was thinking, anyway. Either way, I certainly agree.

Finally, there seems like 110% chance of hidden audio in that loudspeaker. To me, everything just points to some kind of memory scanning. I wouldn't even be that surprised if the paper work that Juliette had all came from a Smokey download...

Smokey download. Woah. Now that would be an INTENSE move for the show to go in....

Thanks for your thoughts, Doc. I was incredibly tired today and didn't really mean 2 separate groups of Others.

Ok let me find all those posts, if I can...

Richardstone

10-05-2006, 06:22 PM

This is pretty much what I posted yesterday...

I've always considered the whispers as being "mental chatter", a side effect of the technology they use or technique they employ to remotely observe, but in observing the thoughts or "mental chatter" about what the whisperes are seeing leaks into the location that's being observed. I don't think it's ever said out loud by the remote viewers, maybe in somehow linking together they increase their range and clarity, but also amplify the leakage.

I think that thoughts from the person being observed (if they are focused on a person rather than a location or locations), if intense enough, can sort of feedback and become audible to the person from who's head the idea or thought came from, it need not be a conscious thought either IMO...

It'll come back around

:smile:

LostLaura

10-05-2006, 06:30 PM

With apologies to the site rules for majorly double-posting, and apologies to the original posters whose post counts I'm stealing, here are the posts that went missing. I only have my own posts, if my post was quoted in another post, because you don't receive an email update about your own posts. Sigh.

Anyway without further ado...

Pen's was first. She posted the transcript that RVT has already reposted, but this was her introduction:

Hey Folks!

So here is the 97% final draft for the center channel. There's just a few lines we haven't finalized (the ones with two or three possible phrases), but most of it we agree on. I just want to apologoe to all those people who have been waiting all summer for these drafts things got much more hectic than anticipated. We work as much as we can in our spare time because we want eveyone to have access to these drafts and hopefully it'll help us figure out lost. So here is the center channel!

I said something about there being 2 groups, being confused, blah blah... Don't know what else.

Then RVT:
yeah, this whole bunch was quite confusing...it could all be the Others, with at least some of the voices being at a remote location and being surprised by the attach. meaning the ambush happened before it was supposed to...the mention of the smoke signal could mean that the Others saw the signal and decided to go ahead with the attack early, before the Losties could get reinforcements.

Me:

Hm, so you're saying maybe it's one group of people who work together, but one is in a remote area and one is the Others who we know (Tom, Bea, Alex, etc.)? Maybe the ones we know are the ones who do the dirty work, and the ones in the remote location are just observers... ?

That's certainly one possibility.

If they are fiddling with buttons and sequences, it sounds like maybe they were somehow controlling the situation? But yet they seemed helpless to stop what was transpiring... :confused:

I certainly got the impression that there were some people that wanted to do something to help but couldn't or didn't know how to.

Honestly, my impression while transcribing it was what you said originally, that is sounded like two groups on the scene. I just wanted to point out it could be one group, with one set of Others on the scene whispering and one viewing remotely and whispering. Or the whispering could be all be from a group viewing remotely and arguing amongst themselves, and the Others that do the attacking not making any noise at all...

the dreaming thing is interesting, as is the "should i lock this"...

I may have posted again. Not sure.
Then Pen posted.
yeah it is confusing, it's almost seems as if there's several independant conversations that are intermingled. So if you try to read it linearily, like we've listed, it comes across as chaotic. I tend to believe that everyone speaking is from the others and that there are two groups, one is remote viewing while the other is on the ground. Right now, I'm mainly lean this way because of TPTB saying that the whispers are part of the mysterious nature of the others. So there has to be some connection.

Then, richardstone.
It was confirmed in the latest video podcast that there are factions within The Others, people with a different agenda, like Alex for example)...

So maybe there's one group of others (the parapsychology people maybe?) who can monitor the other others while they're out being othery?

:confused:

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Wow, thanks to both of you! Always a fantastic read.

When I read this, I immediately felt that there are definitely two groups, and one of these two groups is with the children. Remember that the Others have at least Walt and the two other children from Flight 815, and that there are very strong suspicions that they're using Walt for their own purposes (including his abilities). The voices in the transcript such as "I'm frightened" and "What happened" (childlike) could mean that the children are being used in the attack somehow from a remote location, but don't know what they're being used for, exactly. This is also reinforced a little by the references to a lock and door, assuming the children are held captive.

Aside from that, I find it very interesting that the attack itself could have happened completely without whispers. Why are they there at all? Why couldn't the others have just ambushed them with the weapons they had? Something there really doesn't click with me--seems to me if we figured that out, we might have a big piece of the puzzle.

Thanks again for the transcript, guys. Always very interesting!

Thank you pen and rvt!!!! Too much toddler background noise to really analyze this stuff, but I'm excited. What wonderful timing! I sent out the PM notice, so the hoards should be descending anytime now.

When someone has time on their hands, they could go through and guess which conversation is which, like break them out of their linear order. Not that anyone will want to do this when the premiere is tomorrow!

Side note: I am actually going out of town tomorrow for the week (hoping to catch the ep on my hotel tv), so I won't be able to add anything to the S3 to do list, if it comes up, until Sunday. Thanks!

Then there were a couple unimportant posts about us updating the first posts and Pen forgetting the audio link. :rolleyes:

I posted this:
I like your thoughts, as usual, Doc. Although I'm not sure about the enclosed in trees... with the references doors and buttons... I tend to think they're in another hatch and that their voices are being amplified for some reason or caused by something... I think we've tossed around the idea in the past of their voices echoing off of tunnel walls, etc., for example.

Then, Doc:
Thanks, Laura. And I totally agree, actually--the ones I referred to as hiding in the trees are the listeners. The ones taking direction from the voices. That's what I meant by the two separate groups: one off in a hatch or some similar location, giving direction to the Others that are out on the island (doing the dirty work).

It really makes sense from that standpoint, because it finally ties the two together.

Great work on the breakdown, RVT. I really like what you did there and will have to give that some additional thought.

CRAP! I'm missing RVT's long post! How could that be??? Of all the email updates to not receive? Huh??:confused:
And I lost my post of all the bald head information that Ladybug_Ocean asked about.
And I'm missing Jenni Lou's post, but I have Doc's reply to her, which I think is the one I already reposted?
Best wishes to you, Jenni! We've always loved your contributions here and wish you all the best on Sunday and beyond. Hope to see you back here sooner than later. :smile:

Richard, I completely agree with you on the "mental chatter" theory. I'm at work right now and don't have time to look it up, but if you go back to the last thread where the autopsy tape is posted, there were some serious discussions about the sources of the whispers (and how they're related to flashbacks). I have always felt that the whispers were some sort of side-effect of their real intent...which a lot of our evidence shows to be mental telepathy/direction of some kind. This side effect could also easily be present in flashbacks if they're being read or scanned using a similar process.

And, and I too like the reference to the doors, Jenny. It seems to me like the most obvious "door" reference might be related to the hatches--after all, there are at least two that we have never seen, right? The Others are probably not living above ground, so my bet is that they're living in at least one of these other hatches.

Perhaps we'll find out tonight. :grin:
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If anyone else gets email updates and can find the few ones that are still lost, please post them. Thanks.

DrShephard

10-05-2006, 07:38 PM

Laura, you're a lifesaver! We all owe you big time. :grin:

penyours

10-05-2006, 10:21 PM

Finally, there seems like 110% chance of hidden audio in that loudspeaker. To me, everything just points to some kind of memory scanning. I wouldn't even be that surprised if the paper work that Juliette had all came from a Smokey download...

110% chance? no I think it's more like 106% ;)

I went on a couple other boards for like.... 2 minutes and then was like "What's the point? it's not the 'Lage." and went to bed. :rolleyes:

I should have done that instead I tried to tough it out and ended up reading posts about whether Ben's last name was Over. Get it "Bend over"......ummm......yeah.,,,,,

Let us know if you find anything...

Oh yeah for sure!!

Good call on the name "Juliette." She doesn't just have the vibe of Alex, though. She's got the Sarah, Penny, Libby vibe too. It's all too weird.

Oh very true, its either very weird or the writers can only write one type of female persona

Wait, so what about Desmond's opening scene of S2? Should that be added too?
.

I guess so, there's precedent for it.

Den

10-05-2006, 10:50 PM

Any thoughts on Jack having heard whispers from the broken intercom in the season premiere?

-The D.

DrShephard

10-06-2006, 02:14 AM

Any thoughts on Jack having heard whispers from the broken intercom in the season premiere?

-The D.Definitely. See my comment above regarding the 110% chance (maybe Pen and I will split the difference and settle on 108%). There's also some audio in there that isn't hidden at all...you can clearly hear a broken line of dialogue in there before the line from Jack's father. So it's a matter of looking beneath the surface to try to get the actual line.

And welcome to the thread, Den. Happy to have you aboard.

EricGunn

10-06-2006, 09:39 AM

Forgive me to butt in on this thread. I really appreciate what you folks are doing for the rest of us! Thanks a million to those involved in the decoding of the whispers. MANY THANKS!

As for what these whispers are, I'm stumped. How can they be heard in the jungle? Are there loudspeakers hidden around the Island?

I wont bring up the comic book here, but in part 2 of the Walt/Hurley comic, we find out that "Alien X" has a "sickness" that is propagated by telepathy...

Are the whispers this sickness? Or its result? Just trying to make headway in the whisper chase....Which IMHO, is one of the greatest myteries on the Island.

Thanks for letting me run wild here, Namaste, Eric.

DrShephard

10-06-2006, 10:04 AM

Welcome, Eric! Good post, and I actually don't remember hearing of that tie-in before. Thanks for sharing that. In a number of our discussions we've talked about telepathy having some type of residual side effects...there has even been talk of incidental mind-sharing among the castaways that increases the longer they're together on the island. Is it possible that the whispers are somehow a by-product of this?

I would say it's as possible as anything else on this crazy island. ;)

fancyface

10-06-2006, 01:24 PM

Woohoo!! This is sooo exciting. They're ba ack ;)

bigmouth

10-06-2006, 01:32 PM

rvturnage

10-06-2006, 01:52 PM

Something else that's bothering me -- why no whispers in the Otherville? For that matter, why were there no whispers when they seized the tailies? The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to suspect that the whisperers are part of the second faction. I was particularly struck as I reread the transcripts by this line of hidden audio from One of Them when Jack pulls Sayid off Benry:

Well, there was no need for whispers in Otherville, since everyone was standing within earshot. Perhaps the whispers are a byproduct of the magnetic anomolies, which may not be in the Otherville area.

I suspect that there are whisperers from both factions. The line you quote is interesting. But i'd also submit that it could be taken as:

Person 1: I'd never let them beat me (like Benry's doing)
Person 2: I (would) protect my people (at all costs, by keeping my mouth shut and sticking to the story, so that they don't find out about the rest of us and mess up all our plans--just like Benry's doing).

Simply a discussion between two people on the same side.

bigmouth

10-06-2006, 02:55 PM

Well, there was no need for whispers in Otherville, since everyone was standing within earshot.
rvt: True but isn't mental communication more efficient than vocal? Why even bother with the latter?
Perhaps the whispers are a byproduct of the magnetic anomolies, which may not be in the Otherville area.
Possibly though I think Jack was broadcasting his thoughts to the intercom, which would suggest mental communication is possible. Then again, maybe Jack isn't in Otherville...
I suspect that there are whisperers from both factions. The line you quote is interesting. But i'd also submit that it could be taken as:

Person 1: I'd never let them beat me (like Benry's doing)
Person 2: I (would) protect my people (at all costs, by keeping my mouth shut and sticking to the story, so that they don't find out about the rest of us and mess up all our plans--just like Benry's doing). Simply a discussion between two people on the same side.
Ah, good point!

rvturnage

10-06-2006, 03:02 PM

rvt: True but isn't mental communication more efficient than vocal? Why even bother with the latter?

Possibly. But not if mental communication is difficult to control without the use of some mechanical devices. We're not even sure that the mental communication is intentional.

Possibly though I think Jack was broadcasting his thoughts to the intercom, which would suggest mental communication is possible. Then again, maybe Jack isn't in Otherville...

Ah, good point!
But are we certain that voice wasn't just Jacks imagination, and not a "projected thought"...Juliette did mention "halucinations" right after that, so it could be construed that she heard it and used it to her advantage. Or it could just be a hint from TPTB that jack was indeed halucinating.

rvt

jaybird

10-06-2006, 03:19 PM

Haven't been on the Fuselage for quite awhile and I just have to say that you folks rock! (I always check this thread first-it's my fave.) Some of these new ideas are completely awesome. :cool:
Keep up the good work!

penyours

10-06-2006, 03:54 PM

Hey Fancyface! i was wonderring when you'd pop back into the thread. And hello jaybird and bigmouth and welcome ericgunn, it's good to see the regulars and new faces popping in!

But are we certain that voice wasn't just Jacks imagination, and not a "projected thought"...Juliette did mention "halucinations" right after that, so it could be construed that she heard it and used it to her advantage. Or it could just be a hint from TPTB that jack was indeed halucinating.

rvt

It's quite possible it was a halucination and the thought did cross my mind during the show. though I have to say it's quite convenient that the possible hallucinations are audio rather than visual. Here's a few points against it being a hallucinaiton.

1) When Jack mentions the intercom to Juliet she doesn't mention anything about the drugs and halucinations she just tries to change the subject quickly.

2) Later on when Juliet mentions hallucinations she says that Jack will start having them soon, she doesn't say Jack, you are already having them look you thought someone was speaking to you on the intercom.

Also remember that when Shannon saw Walt, Sayid tried to dismiss it as a hallucination, since Shannon was exhausted - and many people posted at the time that it mightbe a halucination. Come to think of it most of the visions have been suggested to be hallucinations.

dragonwife

10-06-2006, 11:11 PM

Hi everyone, I saw mention of the intercom voice on another thread.. evidently the voice was readable in close captioning... it said...

Edited 'cause I can never get the spoiler font to work:frown: Is it ok to post what it said?

DrShephard

10-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Well, truthfully it should be spoiler fonted, which is somewhat amusing because I never watch previews/spoilers and thus have never once needed to spoiler font anything. I'm sorry I can't help figure out what the problem is.

If the captions did say something other than "Let it go", it would be the first I've ever heard of closed captioning revealing something that wasn't completely obvious to begin with.

Good to see you back with us, Dragonwife!

dragonwife

10-06-2006, 11:47 PM

Thanks Dr. Shepard, (and TabbyRasa!) That's the line I had seen mentioned! I found it interesting, especially if Juliet was telling the truth and the intercom was truely not functioning.

DrShephard

10-07-2006, 12:22 AM

Okay, I'm with you now. :) Essentially the rule for spoilers is that if you didn't see or hear it in the actual show itself (and certainly only the episodes that have aired), it is technically a spoiler. So the "Let it go" line is just fine.

That's a strange one, isn't it? Once again we see an example of something from a character's memory show up in audio form only on the show. This has to be tied in to the whispers either directly or indirectly.

shootfire

10-07-2006, 12:39 AM

Dragonwife, if you want to post something from an episode that has aired, then it is fine to do so without spoilerfont. If it was aired, whether it was closed captioned or not, it is not a spoiler.

penyours

10-07-2006, 12:48 AM

Thanks dragonwife! yeah just from watching the episode there's the line "let it go" and it also sounds like just before this line there's a few more words that Christian says, but his voice cuts in and out. Gumpy5 just gave me the audio and I'm going to take a listen to this section this weekend (yay it's a short one! and not a five minute marathon)

TabbyRasa

10-07-2006, 12:53 AM

yeah just from watching the episode there's the line "let it go" and it also sounds like just before this line there's a few more words that Christian says, but his voice cuts in and out. Gumpy5 just gave me the audio and I'm going to take a listen to this section this weekend (yay it's a short one! and not a five minute marathon)
:toot: Thanks, gumpy and pen!!! This oughta be interesting...

DrShephard

10-07-2006, 02:06 AM

Definitely...thanks, Pen! My money's on that line being either, "I slept with your wife...let it go" or "Your golf game sucks, Jack...let it go." I guess theoretically it could be something else but I just don't see it.

:grin:

Gumpy, you truly are one of our unsung heroes, as well. Thanks very much for your efforts behind the scenes.

Richardstone

10-07-2006, 06:57 AM

My guess is it will be some of Christian's dialogue from the flashback when he's in Jack's office...

CHRISTIAN: You've got to stop this, Jack. It's over.

CHRISTIAN: I think it's time that you let this go.

Something like that.

:confused:

jennylee27

10-07-2006, 02:44 PM

Hi folks, I've missed the 'lage! Sorry to hear about the lost data. What did Jenni Lou say - is it baby time?

I'm going to update the S3 checklist, with the loudspeaker and Juliet's music. Did I miss anything else? :smile:

gumpy5

10-07-2006, 07:05 PM

Gumpy, you truly are one of our unsung heroes, as well. Thanks very much for your efforts behind the scenes.

Thanks, I try... :redface:

Phee

10-08-2006, 03:00 AM

Richardstone

10-08-2006, 09:08 AM

Well, in Spooky's transcripts it says...

[Jack moves to the far wall and sits down. Julie exits without giving Jack any food. We see Ben waiting for her.]

BEN: Good work, Juliet.

JULIE: Thank you, Ben.

...and I think he uses CC to transcribe, so Juliet it is.

No Bad Twin here...

:smile:

Tramp

10-08-2006, 09:38 AM

penyours

10-08-2006, 01:53 PM

I've just got a really quick question. I had a look around the boards to see if it was addressed anywhere, but I couldn't find it, and I figure if anyone can clear it up quickly and easily, it'd be the crafty folks in this thread. ;)

In the last scene, where Benry tells Juliette that she's done a good job with Jack, does Benry actually say Juliette, or does he call her Julia instead? I didn't pick up on it myself, but I read some other people suggesting that he'd called her Julia, so I went and listened again, and now I'm not sure either way, but I'm coming up with all kinds of theories about there being twins and Juliette is the nice one and Julia is the bad one, but if he didn't actually call her Julia, then I can stop obsessing over those crazy theories and worry about obsessing over other crazy theories instead. :p

Hopefully someone can clear this up for me before I tear all my hair out over it. :p

Yeah I agree with Richardstone said, Benry seems to say Juliet, he just mumbles it a bit. In the bookclub scene, Adam does call her Julie, but that's just a short form of her name.

As the Others leave their respective cottages to go out and look for the source of the "earthquake", everyone is shouting different things...for instance, I could swear a woman says something that sounds like "check the sore spots" (just before someone else asks about "the source" of the earthquake) which makes no sense, but it made me wonder whether any of what the Others say might be broken out...

Listening to the stereo file, this is actually a potentially interesting segment. Thanks for suggesting it, I'll ask gumpy for the audio file.

DrShephard

10-08-2006, 02:07 PM

As the Others leave their respective cottages to go out and look for the source of the "earthquake", everyone is shouting different things...for instance, I could swear a woman says something that sounds like "check the sore spots" (just before someone else asks about "the source" of the earthquake) which makes no sense, but it made me wonder whether any of what the Others say might be broken out...That is a terrific suggestion...great call. I bet that there are some very interesting things there, indeed. Thanks!

And Juliet being a twin? I think after 2+ seasons now we have a pretty good idea of what the producers would and wouldn't do, and evil twins just don't seem to be one of them for me. Now, if Juliet were a Martian transplant from a displaced space colony...no, wait, I guess I wouldn't include that, either. ;)

penyours

10-08-2006, 03:32 PM

Just checked the last scene with Jack and Juliet and I don't think there's a hidden voice there, it just seems like there's a sound artifact I noticed, but not voices.

ETA: In the Otherville frantic talking scene is there anything dialogue on the CC?

jennylee27

10-08-2006, 03:54 PM

As the Others leave their respective cottages to go out and look for the source of the "earthquake", everyone is shouting different things...for instance, I could swear a woman says something that sounds like "check the sore spots" (just before someone else asks about "the source" of the earthquake) which makes no sense, but it made me wonder whether any of what the Others say might be broken out...
Listening to the stereo file, this is actually a potentially interesting segment. Thanks for suggesting it, I'll ask gumpy for the audio file.
Adding it to the checklist.

Just checked the last scene with Jack and Juliet and I don't think there's a hidden voice there, it just seems like there's a sound artifact I noticed, but not voices.
Clarification, pen - do you mean the loudspeaker scene? Should I note that no hidden audio was found?

penyours

10-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Adding it to the checklist.

Clarification, pen - do you mean the loudspeaker scene? Should I note that no hidden audio was found?

Ooops should have been more specific, I mentioned in an earlier post that the last scene in the epi where Jack asks if Sarah is happy might have voices, but when I double checked I didn't hear any.

The loudspeaker/intercom scene where Jack hears his Dad speaking has voices there (we're in the process of finalizing them)

jennylee27

10-08-2006, 04:08 PM

The loudspeaker/intercom scene where Jack hears his Dad speaking has voices there (we're in the process of finalizing them)
Wow, quick work! I'm excited already!

I just realized that the notifications about the LTDA transcripts went out just before the data loss happened, so many people probably didn't receive them. :undecide:

LostLaura

10-08-2006, 07:47 PM

Well, in Spooky's transcripts it says...

...and I think he uses CC to transcribe, so Juliet it is.

No Bad Twin here...

:smile:

Actually, I don't think Spooky (who is a she) uses CC. I think she only uses CC as a back-up to what her own ears here. I've sent her corrections before, based on what the CC had helped me figure out, and she said that she hadn't used the CC yet for that episode.

Wow, quick work! I'm excited already!

I just realized that the notifications about the LTDA transcripts went out just before the data loss happened, so many people probably didn't receive them. :undecide:

Ugh, are you going to resend the PM? :confused:

Hi folks, I've missed the 'lage! Sorry to hear about the lost data. What did Jenni Lou say - is it baby time?

I'm going to update the S3 checklist, with the loudspeaker and Juliet's music. Did I miss anything else? :smile:

Yeah, I couldn't find Jenni Lou's post or RVT's awesome posts in my email notifications.... :mad: :mad: No one else gets email notifications and still has the content to those posts??:frown:
Jenny, Jenni Lou said they are inducing her tonight!! I asked her to get back here as soon as she's able and let us know how it went.

Season 3

Tale of Two Cities
1. Juliet's "Downtown" recording
2. Others' frantic talk while the plane is crashing
3. Jack hearing his father's voice on the loudspeaker

IAlso, the "Moonlight Serenade" segments...in the "A Tale of Two Cities" Jack/car FB, and the Hurley/Sayid scene from a previous epi...

(Sorry, server too busy to look it up on the to-do list)

Jenny, this should be added also to the checklist.
As well as that scene at the end with Jack and Juliet that Pen did not find hidden audio in. Just so we can have it on the list to cross out immediately. :cool:

car88win

10-08-2006, 07:51 PM

Checking in myself. Have to make sure we haven't missed posting anything on the LLL for you.

LostLaura

10-08-2006, 07:54 PM

Checking in myself. Have to make sure we haven't missed posting anything on the LLL for you.

LTDA center channel is still a DRAFT, so no, nothing new yet for final posting. Don't know when the gurus will have the left and right channels and a final transcript.
Thanks for checking! :cool:

jennylee27

10-08-2006, 08:08 PM

Ugh, are you going to resend the PM? :confused:
I guess so... I feel bad for people who missed it. But, it is no longer in my sent mail box, so I'm pretty sure it got lost.

Jenny, this should be added also to the checklist.
As well as that scene at the end with Jack and Juliet that Pen did not find hidden audio in. Just so we can have it on the list to cross out immediately. :cool:
Ok, adding this and the Jack in the car scene. As for Hurley/Sayid - is that from the "previously on Lost" or what? I'm confused about where to add that.

LostLaura

10-08-2006, 08:13 PM

I guess so... I feel bad for people who missed it. But, it is no longer in my sent mail box, so I'm pretty sure it got lost.

Ok, adding this and the Jack in the car scene. As for Hurley/Sayid - is that from the "previously on Lost" or what? I'm confused about where to add that.

No Hurley/Sayid is from S2.... I guess my quote didn't really encapsulate fully what Tabby was saying. Just ignore that part. Sorry. :rolleyes:

Richardstone

10-08-2006, 08:14 PM

Actually, I don't think Spooky (who is a she) uses CC. I think she only uses CC as a back-up to what her own ears here. I've sent her corrections before, based on what the CC had helped me figure out, and she said that she hadn't used the CC yet for that episode.

Whenever I have to guess someones gender based on a username I always seem to get it wrong.

:redface:

I helped with one addition myself, my Mum is a huge Glenn Miller fan and I got her to help me figure out what the radio transmission said that Sayid and Hurley heard, I PM'd it to Spooky and she put it in the transcript.

I guess it can be a bit risky using CC all the time because they do shorten some lines, it doesn't always say word for word what's being said on screen in my experience.

Regardless, Ben definitely says "Well done, Juliet" at the end of AToTC, I just checked...

:smile:

car88win

10-08-2006, 08:18 PM

LTDA center channel is still a DRAFT, so no, nothing new yet for final posting. Don't know when the gurus will have the left and right channels and a final transcript.
Thanks for checking! :cool: Got it. I'll be working on the Whisper page probably next weekend anyway. Sprucing it up and making it more presentable, not that it isn't right now but it could be better. Thanks for the info. ;)

LostLaura

10-08-2006, 08:26 PM

Whenever I have to guess someones gender based on a username I always seem to get it wrong.

:redface:

No harm, no foul. I assumed she was a he at first too, til she replied to my email with her real name. :)

Got it. I'll be working on the Whisper page probably next weekend anyway. Sprucing it up and making it more presentable, not that it isn't right now but it could be better. Thanks for the info. ;)

Coolio, Car.

lostmio

10-09-2006, 08:08 PM

1) When Jack mentions the intercom to Juliet she doesn't mention anything about the drugs and halucinations she just tries to change the subject quickly.

2) Later on when Juliet mentions hallucinations she says that Jack will start having them soon, she doesn't say Jack, you are already having them look you thought someone was speaking to you on the intercom.

Also remember that when Shannon saw Walt, Sayid tried to dismiss it as a hallucination, since Shannon was exhausted - and many people posted at the time that it mightbe a halucination. Come to think of it most of the visions have been suggested to be hallucinations.

Could Walt have been held in the room where Jack is being held?

- Walt was dripping wet in Shannon/Sayid's havid. He said "don't push the button, the button's bad"
- Ms. Klugh said Walt may have to go back to a room; seemed to be a threat.
- Jack's room has a prominent button, that when pushed, causes the room to flood.
- Jack's room has an intercom, over which he thinks he hears Christian.
- There's a mysterious control panel adjacent to the room, with many channels, switches, etc.
- Some have said they hear a whale song. This may mean they're under the ocean or the room has something to do with some sort of sonar, or something else. Juliet said the room had been used with dolphins. Might dolphin communication (http://www.tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp/lilly/dolcomm.html) been a field of interest?
- in an apparently deleted scene:There's a young girl in the room with Jack; whether he sees her (as in a hallucination) or she, as a remote viewer is seeing him, or both, we don't know. For that matter, the girl may really have entered the room. If she's the same girl who was resuscitated by Ana L., her near-death experience may have given her psychic ability.
All these dots may not connect, but it's food for thought. Maybe the room is also used as a way of studying or facilitating human communication, especially if the subjects are "gifted" somehow..

penyours

10-09-2006, 10:49 PM

Could Walt have been held in the room where Jack is being held?

- Walt was dripping wet in Shannon/Sayid's havid. He said "don't push the button, the button's bad"
- Ms. Klugh said Walt may have to go back to a room; seemed to be a threat.
- Jack's room has a prominent button, that when pushed, causes the room to flood.
- Jack's room has an intercom, over which he thinks he hears Christian.
- There's a mysterious control panel adjacent to the room, with many channels, switches, etc.
- Some have said they hear a whale song. This may mean they're under the ocean or the room has something to do with some sort of sonar, or something else. Juliet said the room had been used with dolphins. Might dolphin communication (http://www.tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp/lilly/dolcomm.html) been a field of interest?
- in an apparently deleted scene:There's a young girl in the room with Jack; whether he sees her (as in a hallucination) or she, as a remote viewer is seeing him, or both, we don't know. For that matter, the girl may really have entered the room. If she's the same girl who was resuscitated by Ana L., her near-death experience may have given her psychic ability.
All these dots may not connect, but it's food for thought. Maybe the room is also used as a way of studying or facilitating human communication, especially if the subjects are "gifted" somehow..

right now it seems possible that Walt was in that room - if not the same room atleast somewhere in the Hydra station. It certainly seems that when the others capture people they bring them to the Hydra. We also know that they made Walt take tests and that he knew the village and the rags were a sham. These two facts fit into (atleast don't contradict) the possibility that Walt was at this station.

But where was the button in Jacks room that fills it up with water?

LostLaura

10-09-2006, 11:17 PM

But where was the button in Jacks room that fills it up with water?

The emergency button drains the water. Might work in reverse too. Could also fill it with water. But maybe just something on the "sound board" causes it.

TabbyRasa

10-09-2006, 11:23 PM

The emergency button drains the water. Might work in reverse too. Could also fill it with water. But maybe just something on the "sound board" causes it.
Gregg said something interesting about the "sound board":
So was the mixing board a bad prop choise or is it something more?
Well... maybe something more.
:biggrin:

penyours

10-10-2006, 01:31 AM

ooooo that's an interesting response, so it sounds like we'll see someone twidling with that control board sometime soon.

lucky4me8

10-10-2006, 01:37 AM

Gregg said something interesting about the "sound board":

:biggrin:Whoa! So maybe the sound board (and other devices like it around the island) is creating some of these effects, like Jack's father's voice, Duckett's voice in Sawyer's whispers, etc. Maybe it even controls more than just audio...:eek2:

rvturnage

10-10-2006, 09:49 AM

Thanks, Tabby...that is awesome about that board being "maybe something more".

Could Walt have been held in the room where Jack is being held?

Lostmio, those were excellent points you made..the only one I really question is the button for draining(and possibly flooding) the room Jack was in. I thought the button was in the room with the mixing board...didn't Jack point behind Juliette when he asked? But then...that room didn't flood, did it. Could be I'm remembering wrong...oh well...

lostmio

10-10-2006, 02:11 PM

The emergency button drains the water.

..the only one I really question is the button for draining(and possibly flooding) the room Jack was in. I thought the button was in the room with the mixing board.....

I think you're both right and I was wrong, but was it made clear what the button does?

I'm still thinking that Walt may have been referring to that honker of a button.
It never quite made sense to me that he was talking about the numbers execute button.

Edited to add: I hope I'm not threadjacking. Let me know if so and I'll move it.
While googling through various audio sites, I found these pics (http://www.consciousnessconnector.com/CCWebsite/8_Ohms.html).
Some of the images are similar to the Hydra box (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1163&pos=464)

Richardstone

10-10-2006, 02:47 PM

I'm still thinking that Walt may have been referring to that honker of a button. It never quite made sense to me that he was talking about the numbers execute button.

Walt was talking about the button IMO.

WALT: Press the button. No button's bad.

Smidge

10-10-2006, 04:07 PM

Walt was talking about the button IMO.

I think he was talking about the button in Sawyer's cage. I think that was the "room" he was in, pushing the button apparently gives you one honker of an electrical shock.

Sam G

10-10-2006, 04:51 PM

I think he was talking about the button in Sawyer's cage. I think that was the "room" he was in, pushing the button apparently gives you one honker of an electrical shock.They aren't going to do that to a kid.

andylekker

10-10-2006, 04:59 PM

They aren't going to do that to a kid.

in fact they probably wouldnt get away with doing it to anyone but sawyer ; )

Richardstone

10-10-2006, 05:27 PM

I think he was talking about the button in Sawyer's cage. I think that was the "room" he was in, pushing the button apparently gives you one honker of an electrical shock.

So why did he tell them to push it?

:confused:

lucky4me8

10-10-2006, 07:04 PM

While googling through various audio sites, I found these pics (http://www.consciousnessconnector.com/CCWebsite/8_Ohms.html).
Some of the images are similar to the Hydra box (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1163&pos=464)
lostmio, those do look similar. What do those panels do? I couldn't figure it out from the link.

lostmio

10-10-2006, 07:52 PM

lostmio, those do look similar. What do those panels do? I couldn't figure it out from the link.

Near as I can tell, they generate frequencies to induce altered states of consciousness.

I'm not saying the Hydra box does that, altho imo it's not a bad guess as to one of the functions.

edited to add: thinking about it - "measures, records, produces, reproduces, generates, and transmits sounds and sound waves" seems like a decent spec for what the box does, don't you think? It would of course have to be hooked to other devices for the measuring and recording.

lucky4me8

10-10-2006, 09:06 PM

Near as I can tell, they generate frequencies to induce altered states of consciousness.

I'm not saying the Hydra box does that, altho imo it's not a bad guess as to one of the functions.

edited to add: thinking about it - "measures, records, produces, reproduces, generates, and transmits sounds and sound waves" seems like a decent spec for what the box does, don't you think? Yep! Great find.

rvturnage

10-11-2006, 09:31 AM

penyours

10-11-2006, 12:13 PM

Okay here's the final draft for the scene in T2C where Jack is trying to listen to the intercom.

Audio file is (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/intercom3x01%20final.wav)here (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/intercom3x01%20final.mp3)

Final draft: T2C Intercom scene

1. has she tried to talk to him/shall we talk to him (3 sec)

2. Look on (4.5 sec)

3. Has he answered/his head is hurt (6 sec)

4. dont/won't talk (6.2 faint)

5. we're not sure if he knows that much/ we’re not sure if we’ll find out much (7 sec - 8.65 sec)

6. that's what I was thinking (8.5 sec)

7. (to) let him go free (9.8 sec)

8. it's not easy keeping something that secret/sacred (12 sec - 15 sec)

{Jack: If you're trying to talk to me, i can't hear you}

9. what are you gonna do/ go on and do it (14 sec, in background)

10. Let it go Jack (Christian's voice? 18 sec)

11. (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/now%20I%20can%20tell.wav)Now I can tell what you're doing (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/001%20now%20I%20can%20tell.mp3) (20.3 sec)

12. unintelligible (21.2 sec, possibly (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/bring%20it%20back%20to%20her-intercom3x.wav)"Bring it back to her" (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/001%20bring%20it%20back%20to%20her-intercom3x.mp3))

TabbyRasa

10-11-2006, 12:41 PM

That's awesome, pen and rvt, great job!!!:biggrin:

Can't you just see them flipping the controls on a "mixing board" (such as the one that Juliet used in the Hydra room next to Jack) while having this conversation?

In a new preview for epi 02, Benry is in a room in the Hydra station that has TV screens, like at the Pearl. And Jack (in his confinement room) is on one of the screens, and Sawyer's cage is on another. Benry appears to be alone, but the new character Colleen comes down the ladder in the hallway. (link to preview is in the Previews/AOL thread)

LostLaura

10-11-2006, 01:10 PM

Yay!! Thanks Pen and RVT!

1. has she tried to talk to him/shall we talk to him (3 sec)

Either one is interesting. If it's the former, why wouldn't the speakers know that she has already spoken to him?
If it's the latter, why do the speakers think they'd be better at talking to Jack than Juliet?

5. we're not sure if he knows that much/ we’re not sure if we’ll find out much (7 sec - 8.65 sec) Also, both interesting. If it's the former, "knows that much" about what?? What are they looking to find out from Jack? And why aren't they sure if he knows or not?
If it's the latter, it's still a puzzle of what they are trying to find out from Jack, but at least they seem to think that he does know *something*.

7. (to) let him go free (9.8 sec) Are these our "nice" whisperers again? Our compassionate ones?

8. it's not easy keeping something that secret/sacred (12 sec - 15 sec) If it's "secret", then apparently they do think Jack knows something that they want to know. "sacred" seems odd to me... but possible, I guess.

10. Let it go Jack (Christian's voice? 18 sec) I can't listen to the files here. Does it sound like Christian? Do any of the other lines sound like Christian?
Options: It's Christian speaking (he's not dead). It's Christian speaking, but he's dead, and the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind... or something weird like that. Or it's Christian's voice, but Jack is hallucinating at this point. Or it's an Other, quoting Christian, or coincedently quoting Christian.

11. Now I can tell what you're doing (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/001%20now%20I%20can%20tell.mp3) (20.3 sec) I wonder who is speaking to whom here.

12. unintelligible (21.2 sec, possibly "Bring it back to her" (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e1/001%20bring%20it%20back%20to%20her-intercom3x.mp3)) "her"? Juliet?

rvturnage

10-11-2006, 01:11 PM

I also wanted to throw these out there...I've heard people saying they'd like to have the original sound files too, when it comes to "hidden audio" that the general public doesn't hear, like they hear the whispers...so i thought I'd add those too.

here's the original, unmodified, center channel audio in mp3 format (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s3e1/intercom3x01.original.mp3)

and here's the oringinal center channel, with the quieter sections amplified (http://www.doorway815.com/lostaudio/s3e1/intercom3x01.original-boosted.mp3)

The transcript seems to be pretty straightforward...not much "mystery" to it. I will say it sounds to me like one "group" speaking...

ETA...just saw your post Laura...maybe there was a little "mystery"...I've got to go grab lunch, but will give you my impression of those answers when I get back...

LostLaura

10-11-2006, 01:13 PM

The transcript seems to be pretty straightforward...not much "mystery" to it. I will say it sounds to me like one "group" speaking...

Yes, but are they working with Juliet or doubting her capabilites? Juliet's not letting Jack go free... but someone speaking might want to let him go free... so is this actually some of these people who feel more compassionately towards the Losties?

jennylee27

10-11-2006, 01:16 PM

Thanks pen and rvt. Not sure what to think about the content of is. There's not a huge amount of meaning in it. It doesn't seem as rich as past examples of hidden audio.

Edit: Ha! I too had this window open for a while (as I was sending out the PM notice) and Laura and rvt's comments snuck in there. I guess there was more to it than I originally saw, but still, not much. Just furthers the cause of ambiguity on whether the Others and the whisperers are from the same group.

penyours

10-11-2006, 01:26 PM

Yay!! Thanks Pen and RVT!

I can't listen to the files here. Does it sound like Christian? Do any of the other lines sound like Christian?
Options: It's Christian speaking (he's not dead). It's Christian speaking, but he's dead, and the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind... or something weird like that. Or it's Christian's voice, but Jack is hallucinating at this point. Or it's an Other, quoting Christian, or coincedently quoting Christian.

I haven't done a side by side comparison, but 'let it go Jack' does sound like it's Christain talking. Line 8, 'It's not easy keeping something secret/sacred' is the voice that cuts in and out on the intercom and is quite audible on screen. During the broadcast, I intially thought this was also Christain, but now I'm not sure it's him or not.
Now how could Christian be speaking there, I think it's either the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind or Jack is hallucinating. How else would the others know to air that particular line or that Jack was just thinking about his Dad. It's too much of a coincidence.

Yes, but are they working with Juliet or doubting her capabilites? Juliet's not letting Jack go free... but someone speaking might want to let him go free... so is this actually some of these people who feel more compassionately towards the Losties?

They could also be doubting Ben's orders, since it looks like Ben is making Juliet talk to Jack.

Also, why did they speaker go on, was it a mistake, were they thinking about interfering, but then changed there minds, did they want Jack to hear Christian's voice?

rvturnage

10-11-2006, 01:30 PM

okay..i decided not to wait til affter lunch! :)
Yay!! Thanks Pen and RVT!

Either one is interesting. If it's the former, why wouldn't the speakers know that she has already spoken to him? If it's the latter, why do the speakers think they'd be better at talking to Jack than Juliet?
my take was that was spoken by a "late arrival" to the "viewing session" doing the talking.

Also, both interesting. If it's the former, "knows that much" about what?? What are they looking to find out from Jack? And why aren't they sure if he knows or not?
If it's the latter, it's still a puzzle of what they are trying to find out from Jack, but at least they seem to think that he does know *something*.

No real clues to these answers. But I'll give you my speculation (B.S. you could say -- BLATANT Speculation)...I think it's info about the hatch and the button. I can't shake the feeling that Benry was very interested in that when Locke told him the numbers during Lockdown. My first impression at the time was that Benry'd been waiting a long time to hear those numbers. Of course, that's all just B.S.

Are these our "nice" whisperers again? Our compassionate ones?
I didn't really get that impression, although it would make sense. I just got the feeling they were saying if he doesn't know anything, let him go.

If it's "secret", then apparently they do think Jack knows something that they want to know. "sacred" seems odd to me... but possible, I guess.
There's definately something they want to know, wether it's "secret" or "sacred". If "secret" is pretty obvious what the line means. "Sacred" could be that they believe he knows something of great value, and by "keeping" they mean stay quiet about it. Perhaps they think he knows about the mission of DHARMA, and don't think he can keep it quiet.

I can't listen to the files here. Does it sound like Christian? Do any of the other lines sound like Christian?
Options: It's Christian speaking (he's not dead). It's Christian speaking, but he's dead, and the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind... or something weird like that. Or it's Christian's voice, but Jack is hallucinating at this point. Or it's an Other, quoting Christian, or coincedently quoting Christian.
yeah, it sounds like Christian, as most everyone thought it did during hte broadcast...but I put the ? in there because...well, I'm not sure why...:redface: No other voices sounded like that to me...but others were pretty well buried. The possible exception may be the "3. Has he answered/his head is hurt", but it's too dificult to tell. The absolute only reason I even say that is because that line was less tweaked by TPTB. But I'd have to say that it wasn't Christian (#3...I do think # 10 was Christians voice)...confused?
I wonder who is speaking to whom here.
I took it to be that once the Others produced Christians voice through the intercom, then this person understood what they were trying to do in their attempts to get Jack to talk. Make him think he's crazy.

So, i guess that I think the Others somehow produced Christians voice...no idea how.

"her"? Juliet?
That's my guess...don't know what it would mean...
100%

They could also be doubting Ben's orders, since it looks like Ben is making Juliet talk to Jack.

Also, why did they speaker go on, was it a mistake, were they thinking about interfering, but then changed there minds, did they want Jack to hear Christian's voice?

that's something that I hadn't reall thought of, Pen..."him" in the first line could be Ben.

LostLaura

10-11-2006, 01:38 PM

INow how could Christian be speaking there, I think it's either the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind or Jack is hallucinating. How else would the others know to air that particular line or that Jack was just thinking about his Dad. It's too much of a coincidence. It definitely sounded like Christian in the broadcast. I'm going to try to rewatch tonight before the new eppy.

They could also be doubting Ben's orders, since it looks like Ben is making Juliet talk to Jack. True, true. And that makes a little more sense, since Juliet seems to be someone who herself does not want to follow Benry's orders ("and here I was thinking there was still free will on this.." [paraphrase]).

Also, why did they speaker go on, was it a mistake, were they thinking about interfering, but then changed there minds, did they want Jack to hear Christian's voice?
Yeah, I would lean toward them wanting him to hear Christian's voice? Again, too coincedental.

No real clues to these answers. But I'll give you my speculation (B.S. you could say -- BLATANT Speculation)...I think it's info about the hatch and the button. I can't shake the feeling that Benry was very interested in that when Locke told him the numbers during Lockdown. My first impression at the time was that Benry'd been waiting a long time to hear those numbers. Of course, that's all just B.S.
I like your BS RVT! ;)

I didn't really get that impression, although it would make sense. I just got the feeling they were saying if he doesn't know anything, let him go. Well, that's at least more compassionate than say... killing someon because he doesn't have information, so... that's a step in the right direction, at least.

yeah, it sounds like Christian, as most everyone thought it did during hte broadcast...but I put the ? in there because...well, I'm not sure why...:redface: No other voices sounded like that to me...but others were pretty well buried. The possible exception may be the "3. Has he answered/his head is hurt", but it's too dificult to tell. The absolute only reason I even say that is because that line was less tweaked by TPTB. But I'd have to say that it wasn't Christian (#3...I do think # 10 was Christians voice)...confused? Yup, confused! No, just kidding. I read your thoughts twice and now I know what you mean. Since I'm not able to listen, I'm not able to judge for myself, though.

I took it to be that once the Others produced Christians voice through the intercom, then this person understood what they were trying to do in their attempts to get Jack to talk. Make him think he's crazy.

So, i guess that I think the Others somehow produced Christians voice...no idea how.

That's my guess...don't know what it would mean... I like your thoughts, RVT. :)

CoffeeOD

10-11-2006, 02:44 PM

As a constant lurker, I have to say that the work you folks have done here is AMAZING! It truly does bring so much more to my viewing pleasure knowing that when I hear some weird sounds; not only does it probably have hidden audio, but you all will give us a pretty damn good idea what it is.

THANK YOU!

penyours

10-11-2006, 02:52 PM

Oh and amidst my mass confusion trying to embed links into the transcript, I forgot to thank rvt for courageously working on the transcripts (even though he was sick on the weekend!), also to gumpy5 for quickly and efficiently getting us the raw audio, itsmrsb for hosting the audio files, Jennylee for sending out the pm's to notify people of the new transcript and all the others whispers people for input. :biggrin: Yay!

As a constant lurker, I have to say that the work you folks have done here is AMAZING! It truly does bring so much more to my viewing pleasure knowing that when I hear some weird sounds; not only does it probably have hidden audio, but you all will give us a pretty damn good idea what it is.

THANK YOU!

Our pleasure CoffeeOD! Post any time you fell like it :)

koralis

10-11-2006, 04:29 PM

Now how could Christian be speaking there, I think it's either the Others are able to broadcast a sound from Jack's mind or Jack is hallucinating. How else would the others know to air that particular line or that Jack was just thinking about his Dad. It's too much of a coincidence.

If Walt has psychic powers, it's not impossible that some of the kids/others have ESP and can read his mind. However, if the Others are deliberately trying to screw with him, why not make it easier to understand and obvious for Jack?

Or there are basically ghosts, which is what some of the whispers have previously implied (such as Boone welcoming Shannon at her death, etc.) It could be simply that the dead have trouble interacting with non-psychics, hence the limited influence on the intercom, etc.

Also, why did they speaker go on, was it a mistake, were they thinking about interfering, but then changed there minds, did they want Jack to hear Christian's voice?

It read to me like they were trying to decide whether to make contact or not, then told Christian to go ahead and do it. What they were hoping to gain is another matter. A little psychological push to "let it go" I guess.

I'm not convinced that Christian is working with Henry... er.. Ben.

penyours

10-11-2006, 07:38 PM

If Walt has psychic powers, it's not impossible that some of the kids/others have ESP and can read his mind. However, if the Others are deliberately trying to screw with him, why not make it easier to understand and obvious for Jack?

Hmm, the voices could be psychic in nature.Though in this case most of the voices don't seem child-like, so it would be the adults with psychic abilities.

Or there are basically ghosts, which is what some of the whispers have previously implied (such as Boone welcoming Shannon at her death, etc.) It could be simply that the dead have trouble interacting with non-psychics, hence the limited influence on the intercom, etc.

speaking of ghosts, if this idea is true, then we may hear Ana and Libby in the whispers somewhere down the line, especially since Ana has already showed up in Eko's vision/dream.

Jetschick

10-11-2006, 10:29 PM

Hi all...
I just wanted to post to say what a great job everyone is doing on this thread. I started following the original Whisper thread in the beginning (When it was just the Whispers from abandoned & two or three others) and I had to stop due to the fact that I moved across country & time and access to the internet was at bare minimum. Well, I finally was able to find some time to get back to the 'lage and let me just say...OMG I can't believe how much you guys have uncovered. It is absolutley AMAZING how much you have done & I really appreciate all your hard work. Now I must go because I have alot of transcripts to read & audio to listen to so I can catch up with this conversation. Again, thanks so much for keeping this going..the whispers have always been my favorite mysterious element to this show!

~peace~

rvturnage

10-12-2006, 09:26 AM

welcome back Jetschick. Stick around this time, 'kay? :)

penyours

10-12-2006, 01:12 PM

Lord of the flies asked what Colleen was whispering to Danny when they were taking Saywer and kate to the labour site in this thread: http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/showthread.php?t=60046

There's CC for her dialogue, but I just checked and it's looks like it's inaccurate here's the dialogue for this scene:

Colleen: Danny wait
Danny: Hold up
Colleen says softly: We gotta go get the boat, it’s ten minutes from where the Galaga can retrieve it and bring it back for ____

(I'm not sure what the last word is)

here's the audio file (http://www.lorahrai.com/lostaudio/s3e2/lostcolleenwhisper.mp3) , please note you will hear the original audio first and then the enhanced audio second.

Hi all...
I just wanted to post to say what a great job everyone is doing on this thread. I started following the original Whisper thread in the beginning (When it was just the Whispers from abandoned & two or three others) and I had to stop due to the fact that I moved across country & time and access to the internet was at bare minimum. Well, I finally was able to find some time to get back to the 'lage and let me just say...OMG I can't believe how much you guys have uncovered. It is absolutley AMAZING how much you have done & I really appreciate all your hard work. Now I must go because I have alot of transcripts to read & audio to listen to so I can catch up with this conversation. Again, thanks so much for keeping this going..the whispers have always been my favorite mysterious element to this show!

~peace~

Hey Jetschick, glad you kept us in mind all that time you didn't have much internet access, it's must have been a nice surprise to go directly from the beginning of that abandoned thread to where we are now!