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sawyer101 08-29-2006, 08:08 PM two for the road
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what a greaty episode one of the best of the season so far and all i can say is oh my god!!!! micheal kills ana lucia and libby did't see that one comeing it was cool tho. ana sleeps with sawyer oh my god for a gun.
and the henry gale stuff was awesom and hes right too goodwin did't try to kill ana.so my theory is that the Others as henry say are the good guys and out people are the bad guys and think in season 3 will find out if im right are wrong.
so do you think micheal is telling the truth or is he liying
tell me what you think.
Bluemorbo 08-30-2006, 07:55 AM what a greaty episode one of the best of the season so far and all i can say is oh my god!!!! micheal kills ana lucia and libby did't see that one comeing it was cool tho. ana sleeps with sawyer oh my god for a gun.
and the henry gale stuff was awesom and hes right too goodwin did't try to kill ana.so my theory is that the Others as henry say are the good guys and out people are the bad guys and think in season 3 will find out if im right are wrong.
so do you think micheal is telling the truth or is he liying
tell me what you think.
It was quite a good episode, the flashback was interesting too (considering the possibility of who Christian's daughter may be). Again, loving Henry (as ever). He's just so eviiiiiiiil. Hell, he gave me the heebiejeebies before he freaked out and attacked AL, nevermind now!
Poor Hurley though. It must be women and the mere mention of Sayid's beach. First Shannon now Libby? Sucks for the big guy. Libby's reaction to Hurley's comment about trying to remember where he recognises her from was interesting. Obviously she's something to hide, but what? And now she's dead, it'll make things much more difficult to find out what.
Finally, Michael must be lying for at least part of his story considering he's just popped a cap in AL and four Libby. He's obviously upto something, which we'll find out in due course :)
It's getting closer to the finalé - yay for awesomeness, boo for ending :P.
IStoleCindy 08-30-2006, 09:30 AM I hated this episode. Real hatred. It just seemed so irrational and contrived. The Christian Sheperd connections are just getting silly, and the Sawyer/Ana scenes had no personality. And I hate Michael.
Lucky all the other episodes recently have been so good.
luv me_ luv lost 08-30-2006, 10:56 AM I LOVED this episode!!:)
But not the Libby Ana getting shot. Why does it have to be Libby and Ana?
I really liked Ana even if she did those things in the past but i didn't much like her Sawyer scene.
And When Hurley is happy and finding love they kill off Libby? The female population is decreasing!!! Maybe Libby isn't dead because we didn't she her stop breathing, but i think Ana is dead for sure or maybe not.
Henry is just so creepy that i like it. The looks exchange by Michael and Henry was interesting, Henry didn't looks that very suprise when he saw Michael, maybe he knew he was going to be rescued. When the hatch went lockdown he could have sent a message to the Others throught the computer.
mygoodeye 08-30-2006, 01:31 PM the only thing i liked about this episode was the last 10 minutes or so. i'm a big Ana Lucia hater, and i was just waiting for this episode to air. the flashback is stupid, pointless and contrived.
the scene with Sawyer nearly made me vomit.
sawyer101 08-30-2006, 02:03 PM I hated this episode. Real hatred. It just seemed so irrational and contrived. The Christian Sheperd connections are just getting silly, and the Sawyer/Ana scenes had no personality. And I hate Michael.
Lucky all the other episodes recently have been so good.this episode was one of the best of season 2 we learn more stuff about the others.ana and sawyer sleep whith each other libby and ana lucia die great episode for me. and micheal is a great character one of my favourite's
marblehead_johnson 08-30-2006, 02:29 PM Everyone seems to have missed why Michael shot Ana
My first instinct was it was to create further fear and hatred of the Others, to make Jack & co go after Walt. However, thinking on, that already seemed to be in motion, and killing Ana and seriously wounding himself seems far too excessive.
Now I'm thinking he was sent to get Henry out, and the only way he could get him past Ana was to shoot her dead, and wound himself.
Anyone else?
Finn Buzzing 08-30-2006, 03:18 PM Michael was clearly lying all along, Kate and Jack should have known as they knew the whole raggedy island look the Others have is a farce and didnt match with what Michael said. I think Michael was sent by the Others to free Henry and maybe a few other things which I cant mention in a deal which will get him Walt back.
Great episode, It was very interesting what Henry said to Locke about 'coming to get him' and Libby's reaction to what Hurley said. Brilliant.
I will miss Ana and Libby, I liked em both.
luv me_ luv lost 08-30-2006, 03:32 PM Everyone seems to have missed why Michael shot Ana
Now I'm thinking he was sent to get Henry out, and the only way he could get him past Ana was to shoot her dead, and wound himself.
Anyone else?
I think the Others told Michael to get Henry back and he could have Walt. Because it was quite serious for him to shot Ana and he only do that for his son, because he will do anything for his son. Maybe the Others told Henry someone was coming after him on the computer so he wasn't suprised when he saw Henry.
ramie 08-30-2006, 04:01 PM I don't understand how anyone who is into this series could say that flashbacks showing the characters previous lives being interconnected are 'contrived'!? This whole series is BASED on the events and characters being interconnected, is that not the case? I thought the whole appeal was finding out what the underlying story is that has brought all these people together on this mysterious island.
So theories on whats up with Mikey:
1) He has made a fools deal to get Walt back.
2) He has become a 'convert'
3) He being controlled with 'mind powers!' ooooooooohhh!
4) It's not Mike
My money is on door number 2.
marblehead_johnson 08-30-2006, 04:07 PM Bit of a knowing look between Kate and Jack when he said about the Others being scruffs too - they know the beard is fake but chose to ignore what Michael is saying.
Ana Lucia was known to the others as a bad egg - maybe Michael was specifically told to take her out?
I also think Michael is deluded if he thinks Walt will be returned to him, and he's being tricked by the Others.
Henry seems fearful of being re-aquainted with the Others and 'Him', i'm not sure Michael has been sent purely to rescue him.
100%
I don't understand how anyone who is into this series could say that flashbacks showing the characters previous lives being interconnected are 'contrived'!? This whole series is BASED on the events and characters being interconnected, is that not the case? I thought the whole appeal was finding out what the underlying story is that has brought all these people together on this mysterious island.
So theories on whats up with Mikey:
1) He has made a fools deal to get Walt back.
2) He has become a 'convert'
3) He being controlled with 'mind powers!' ooooooooohhh!
4) It's not Mike
My money is on door number 2.
Ooo - good one, not considered that. You can be with Walt but you have to join us eh? Thus leading all the losties into a trap? He doesn't realise that Kate has sussed the disguises, so that will work in favour of the losties.
mygoodeye 08-31-2006, 05:42 AM i dont mind about the random connections between characters, that doesnt bother me, but the flashback storyline was just awful.
ramie 08-31-2006, 06:51 AM Just so we don't get off on the wrong foot here I'll preface this by saying I am not looking for a row or trying to start a fight.........
What was it that you thought was so awful? Just out of intrest.....
Finn Buzzing 08-31-2006, 02:23 PM It did seem a little weak, Ana just packing up there and then and going off to Sydney with a man she met 5 mins before, but he kept saying 'fate' alot which I'm guessing is the writers not so subtle way of trying to justify it.
luv me_ luv lost 08-31-2006, 03:24 PM It was a bit out of the blue that she went to Austrailia with him. But the flashback was ok i guess.
sawyer101 08-31-2006, 05:35 PM It was a bit out of the blue that she went to Austrailia with him. But the flashback was ok i guess.
i admit it was a bit out of the blue that she went to Australia with him but in the end it canda worked well for me it did
luv me_ luv lost 08-31-2006, 05:47 PM i admit it was a bit out of the blue that she went to Australia with him but in the end it canda worked well for me it did
I guess she just wanted to get away from her mother as far as possible so Austrailia would do it.
What is it all about Kate not being in Sawyers head?
And i think Jack only needs Kate when he needs her because most of the season he ignored her and now he needs her he's talking to her.
chocygirl_uk 08-31-2006, 06:00 PM Yep, I agree it was a good episode, andIm sorry Anna lucia has been shot - but we dont know either her or Libby is dead yet! And as for Michael........well I agree with posts before - I reckon the Others have tried to do a deal with him - he shoots A-L and frees Henry - he gets Walt back. That looks kinda obvious to me.... I reckon it was just back luck Libby happened to come in.
Poor Hurley ...... everything bad happens to him. I wonder what he will do IF Libby is really dead? Cant wait till next tuesday...........
ramie 09-01-2006, 06:14 AM I'm sticking to my theory that he has 'gone over to the darkside' rather than just made a deal to get Walt back. Walt is obviously important to their plan/mission so maybe Michael was one of the 'good ones' and he has been introduced to 'HIM' the great man and been convinced that the others are a force for good who intend to utilise Walt's powers in some way.
This would mean that A) he would get to be with Walt, B) the true nature of his sons powers would be revealed to him and C) he would get to see his son achieve a great destiny (according to the Others). Also I don't think that even Mike would go so far as to commit murder on 2 strangers to get his son back.
I think this episode raised some interesting questions besides the usual WTF? storyline ones; if mike has killed for his son is he in the wrong to have shot A-L or is it ok (in order save the life of his child) as she herself is a murderer, or is she an innocent because her crime was justified.
luv me_ luv lost 09-01-2006, 10:06 AM Yep, I agree it was a good episode, andIm sorry Anna lucia has been shot - but we dont know either her or Libby is dead yet! And as for Michael........well I agree with posts before - I reckon the Others have tried to do a deal with him - he shoots A-L and frees Henry - he gets Walt back. That looks kinda obvious to me.... I reckon it was just back luck Libby happened to come in.
Poor Hurley ...... everything bad happens to him. I wonder what he will do IF Libby is really dead? Cant wait till next tuesday...........
I think he only did a deal with the Others to free Henry. I think that Ana Lucia was in the way, how did he know that she was going to be in the hatch at that moment. I think he would have shot anyone in the hatch at the time.
sawyer101 09-01-2006, 01:52 PM I think he only did a deal with the Others to free Henry. I think that Ana Lucia was in the way, how did he know that she was going to be in the hatch at that moment. I think he would have shot anyone in the hatch at the time.
im just glad kate wasnt there coz she was gonna stay to take of micheal..lucky kate lol
luv me_ luv lost 09-01-2006, 02:11 PM im just glad kate wasnt there coz she was gonna stay to take of micheal..lucky kate lol
Yeah but what if it was Kate?....Jack and Sawyer would be fighting to save her life! Even the little things could change everything.
sawyer101 09-01-2006, 02:29 PM Yeah but what if it was Kate?....Jack and Sawyer would be fighting to save her life! Even the little things could change everything.
yea then jack and sawyer will get armed up to try and kill henry and the rest of the other's.god i wish it was kate now lol
luv me_ luv lost 09-01-2006, 03:01 PM yea then jack and sawyer will get armed up to try and kill henry and the rest of the other's.god i wish it was kate now lol
That would be good..not in a horrible way.... Sawyer and Jack fighting over Kate's life. Killing every Other in the way.
I wonder what will happen now? Jack and Ana had a little thing i wonder how he would feel and Sawyer and Ana had sex, maybe Sawyer might feel a bit upset.
sawyer101 09-01-2006, 03:13 PM maybe Sawyer might feel a bit upset.
yea im sure he will feel i bit upset about ana's death i know i would if i was sawyer which some day i hope to be like lol
luv me_ luv lost 09-01-2006, 03:55 PM yea im sure he will feel i bit upset about ana's death i know i would if i was sawyer which some day i hope to be like lol
What conning people or women running after you?
Finn Buzzing 09-01-2006, 04:57 PM I hope to be like 'Henry'
sawyer101 09-01-2006, 05:43 PM What conning people or women running after you?
both realy
Vincent_the_dog 09-02-2006, 06:35 AM Thought the episode in the most part was really good, although I did find the Christian/Ana Lucia flashbacks a little bit bizarre and fairly dull. It seems as if Christian is becoming quite central to the storyline as he has had so much interaction with many of the characters. I'm beginning to wonder if he has anything to do with Hanso/Dharma as by him being in Sydney, he indirectly pulled at least Jack and Ana Lucia onto Oceanic 815. I could be looking a little too deep into it though :undecide:
As for Michael, I'm not sure if he's been brainwashed by the Others or whether or not he's just trying to bargain with them for Walt but he seemed decidedly dodgy when he woke up. After I watched the episode through a second time, his 'surprise' that there was one of the Others locked up in the hatch didn't quite ring true. I think he knew that 'Henry' was there, which seemed to be further backed up in the last scene as when he Michael and 'Henry' came face to face, neither seemed particularly surprised to be seeing one another. I'm also wondering whether the Others can somehow see into the hatch as Michael chose the time that Ana Lucia was in there on her own to do the deed and as we can see from the reaction of 'Henry' to her, she appeared to be on a hit list of some kind. Maybe that's also how he knew about 'Henry'.
I found the bit with Sawyer and Ana Lucia a bit creepy to be honest, and thought it a bit strange that for a master conman, he didn't realise 'til a while after that she has nicked his gun! :confused:
The shock factor at the end was brilliant though- classic Lost. Was wondering whether Libby does actually die or not because the flashback from Dave which showed her in the same mental institution as Hurley was such a shocking revelation that I can't believe she would be killed off without that particular storyline being tied up. Surely there would be no point in adding it in if it wasn't going to have some meaning :confused:
Considering what happened in this episode and we're still a few away from the end of the series, we should be in for a hell of a finale :biggrin:
luv me_ luv lost 09-02-2006, 07:08 AM both realy
Lol! Dunno who i would like to be obviously a female character (i'm a girl)
I'm beginning to wonder if he has anything to do with Hanso/Dharma as by him being in Sydney, he indirectly pulled at least Jack and Ana Lucia onto Oceanic 815. I could be looking a little too deep into it though :undecide:
He also met Sawyer too i wonder any other characters have met him... what really annoys me that Jack never found out that Ana Lucia was with him during his time in Australia i don't know how it would come out even if she told him but maybe it would bring them closer...
I'm also wondering whether the Others can somehow see into the hatch as Michael chose the time that Ana Lucia was in there on her own to do the deed and as we can see from the reaction of 'Henry' to her, she appeared to be on a hit list of some kind. Maybe that's also how he knew about 'Henry'.
Considering what happened in this episode and we're still a few away from the end of the series, we should be in for a hell of a finale :biggrin:
Well how would the Others contact him? Kate was going to be in the hatch too but Jack asked her to help him to get the guns and i there is no way the Others can contact Michael...i think?
chocygirl_uk 09-03-2006, 05:04 PM :) Hey there - so what about Walt? surely he must come into it somewhere - you remember just how keen Michael is to get him back? I also wondered if Michael was supposed to kill A-L - remember she did kill 3 of the Others.
I love Sawyer too - he is so bad hes sexy !!!
Like I said - cant wait for Tuesday :biggrin:
luv me_ luv lost 09-03-2006, 05:21 PM :) Hey there - so what about Walt? surely he must come into it somewhere - you remember just how keen Michael is to get him back? I also wondered if Michael was supposed to kill A-L - remember she did kill 3 of the Others.
I love Sawyer too - he is so bad hes sexy !!!
Like I said - cant wait for Tuesday :biggrin:
How did he know he was going to be alone with Ana? It was just last minute she was there in the hatch.
Vincent_the_dog 09-04-2006, 09:31 AM Lol! Dunno who i would like to be obviously a female character (i'm a girl)
He also met Sawyer too i wonder any other characters have met him... what really annoys me that Jack never found out that Ana Lucia was with him during his time in Australia i don't know how it would come out even if she told him but maybe it would bring them closer...
Well how would the Others contact him? Kate was going to be in the hatch too but Jack asked her to help him to get the guns and i there is no way the Others can contact Michael...i think?
Yeah, I know that Sawyer had interaction with Christian both when Sawyer walked past Ana Lucia in the car, and when they were drinking together in the bar (at least Jack actually got to find out about that bit!!) but Sawyer wasn't there directly because of Christian. That's what I meant about him pulling Jack and Ana Lucia directly onto the flight (Jack, to look for his father and Ana Lucia being his 'minder' or whatever the hell she was supposed to be doing!). However, I'd put money on more of the characters turning out to have had interaction with Christian and possibly like Jack and Ana Lucia, been on that flight soley because of him.
As for the Others being able to contact Michael, would anything surprise you like that? It certainly wouldn't to me! I wouldn't put anything past TPTB :rolleyes: It just seemed a little too convenient that Michael was able to be alone with Ana Lucia in the hatch at that moment and that she seemed to be somebody that the Others wanted rid of. If the Others have been watching them ever since they've been on the island then maybe they've seen what they're like and how their minds work? Maybe they knew that the stuff Michael fed them about the Others being primitive would make Jack want to go to their camp with the guns (if they've seen him previously talk about getting an army together) and if they've seen Jack ask Kate to tag along virtually every time he wants to do something heroic and important (:rolleyes:), then this would present Michael with the perfect opportunity to bump Ana Lucia off with nobody else being about (except for the unfortunate Libby at the end).
It could just be that my mind is working overdrive though, as is usually the case when I'm watching Lost :biggrin:
How did he know he was going to be alone with Ana? It was just last minute she was there in the hatch.
I don't think he knew Ana was going to be there (alone), she just was. I think if it had been someone else he wouldn't have shot them and would have shot ana at a later date, from his face and the reaction to shooting Libby it seemed he was to kill Ana only, afterall Henry tried to kill ana didn't he? Perhaps shes on some kind of hit list?
The whole Sawyer/ana thing I found stupid, since they haven't really spent time together, I have to say tho' I'm glad for Jate!
I am not sad Ana died (I hated her), i'm actually glad it wasn't someone else! I am sad for libby tho,not because I was a huge fan of her charracter, but the mystery of her past I would have loved to see! Oh hurley! (i have to say mind, it seemed libby could have been a stalker, so perhaps he's best off out of it!)
I'm sure we'll see more of Libby in other fbs tho!
OneSugarPlumAilslie 09-04-2006, 11:40 AM I hated this episode. Real hatred. It just seemed so irrational and contrived. The Christian Sheperd connections are just getting silly, and the Sawyer/Ana scenes had no personality. And I hate Michael.
Lucky all the other episodes recently have been so good.
Although I did like this episode, I did think the back -story was contrived, especially Sawyer banging into the door. Didn't see Libby dying coming.
Raawr 09-05-2006, 11:12 AM I didnt really like this episode. I hate being unable to stop myself reading spoilers =[.
Just had a thought didn't that girl in ALs fb look like Claire? Christian wants to see his daughter? Is there a link there? Are Jack and Claire related?
Personally I hope not.
Gangster Priest 09-06-2006, 12:16 PM Well, Micheal lied about seeing the others Camp:
From 'The Hunting Party'
LOCKE [to Sawyer]: Does any of this look familiar from when you were coming back?
SAWYER: Well, yeah, there's my favorite leaf. How could I forget this place?
JACK [to Locke]: What's wrong?
LOCKE [to Sawyer]: When you came across the island what side was the ocean on? [Sawyer looks around and points] You came from the east, Michael's heading north.
SAWYER: What the hell's that supposed to mean?
JACK: It means he's not going back to where you came from. He's heading somewhere else.
From 'Two for the Road'
MICHAEL: Hey, John. I found them. After I left I hiked North back to where we were [he looks at Ana]. I hiked to the beach -- followed the shore line. A day later I saw one.
LOCKE: What did he look like?
MICHAEL: Dirty, worn clothing, no shoes, simple. Just like the rest of them.
JACK: Like the rest of them?
MICHAEL: Yeah, his people -- the Others. I followed him back to his camp. They live in tents -- canvas tents and teepees. They eat dried fish. They're worse off than we are.
This makes me think that when Micheal spoke to Walt on the computer it was the others telling him to go somewhere, and the others have told him to go back to the camp and free Henry and possibly lead them into a trap.
luv me_ luv lost 09-06-2006, 12:57 PM This makes me think that when Micheal spoke to Walt on the computer it was the others telling him to go somewhere, and the others have told him to go back to the camp and free Henry and possibly lead them into a trap.
Yeah i think he freed Henry because the Others would lead the survivors into a trap. Maybe he gave Micheal a list??? As he said he will take them to them when he is well. Knowing Jack he would want to find Henry and kill him...leading them to a trap maybe?
LivingIsEasyWithEyesClosed 09-06-2006, 04:20 PM Mike still remains my fave character, im not tht gutted bout the killings because ana was not a major character and I thoght Libby was boring (I am gutted for Hurley though) Michelle Rodrigez agreed to work on lost for a year, also Michelle and Cynthia Watros were charged for weaving in and out of traffic in Hawai which drew bad publicity to lost so hence the character departures. Mike was either asked to specificly kill Ana and/or free Henry and reclaim Walt as a deal from the others clearly. My advice is not to get intimate on the island, Shannon and Sayid, Libby and Hurley, Ana and Sawer, all the girls got shot, lol. I found it strange that there was no Libby centric, 2 episodes left folks!
Jaz
Liplocked 09-07-2006, 08:35 AM My reaction to this long dreaded episode… was that it?!
….the dreadful lie Locke told, the one I’ve been living with the knowledge of for months, a lie so awful in its consequences it resulted in a double shooting, a lie I’m told - by the righteous vengeful - he told for the pursuit of his own selfish interests :
‘She slipped on some water I spilled’ (I’m paraphrasing I know - but this is my rant so work with me here.)
What was he thinking? I hear you cry (I’m hearing the voices a lot lately) : ooh I dunno… protecting someone maybe; isn’t that frequently the reason people lie; to cover their arses? Except that when it was discovered Ana was armed he told Jack immediately of his suspicions of her state of mind… must have been someone else he was protecting then.
Oh I remember; that bloke he made the promise to*, the one who could have killed him but didn’t. (I could get into the whole ‘why did THEY let John live thing; but it wouldn’t be near as much fun as I’m having now.) But then…. John needed him alive for
Well… if curiosity as to why you’ve not been murdered counts as a selfish interest – then he’s guilty as charged.
Speaking of which; just how much responsibility should John have to bare here? It isn’t all on his shoulders, there are other heads.
These should be hung in shame for their part:
Captain Cortez ~ knowingly allowed her murdering daughter to escape justice,
Sawyer ~ so pre-occupied putting his pistol back in his pants he neglected to do the same with his gun. :rolleyes: What an idiot. 'Can’t see him becoming a poster boy for the NRA anytime soon,
And how was it he had a gun…?
Charlie ~ traded a beating for abducting and terrifying a woman. Presumably he thought this was fair exchange and no robbery; shame it turned out to be murder.
(Yeah, yeah, I know – but this is my whinge. *gets all pouty with her arms folded -* *- but mercifully doesn’t stamp her feet* so let me alone. ;) ) Which brings us to the lovely…
Ana. ~ The buck stops here I think: ‘romanced’ James’ weapon straight out from under him - with the express purpose of committing murder, AND evading the truth of it by making it appear Henry was escaping – then squandered…nay spat in the face of redemption. Distraught, reflective, and unable to do what she had intended…
This once officer of the Law, surrendered a loaded gun into the hands of a man who might … and gave him the combination to the armoury door.
What a lovely piece of work she turned out to be. :mad: Bad Ana! Bad!
But well done Michelle. :clapping:
*if I were playing Trent’s Last Case – reassessing events witnessed – I’d be proposing John were covering Ana’s embarrassment with his ‘she slipped – my bad’ untruth. Bring on the revisionists I say.
~ nervously hits COPY wondering how this text will translate... ghastlylyly would be my guess ~
My reaction to this long dreaded episode… was that it?!
….the dreadful lie Locke told, the one I’ve been living with the knowledge of for months, a lie so awful in its consequences it resulted in a double shooting, a lie I’m told - by the righteous vengeful - he told for the pursuit of his own selfish interests :
‘She slipped on some water I spilled’ (I’m paraphrasing I know - but this is my rant so work with me here.)
What was he thinking? I hear you cry (I’m hearing the voices a lot lately) : ooh I dunno… protecting someone maybe; isn’t that frequently the reason people lie; to cover their arses? Except that when it was discovered Ana was armed he told Jack immediately of his suspicions of her state of mind… must have been someone else he was protecting then.
Oh I remember; that bloke he made the promise to*, the one who could have killed him but didn’t. (I could get into the whole ‘why did THEY let John live thing; but it wouldn’t be near as much fun as I’m having now.) But then…. John needed him alive for
Well… if curiosity as to why you’ve not been murdered counts as a selfish interest – then he’s guilty as charged.
Speaking of which; just how much responsibility should John have to bare here? It isn’t all on his shoulders, there are other heads.
These should be hung in shame for their part:
Captain Cortez ~ knowingly allowed her murdering daughter to escape justice,
Sawyer ~ so pre-occupied putting his pistol back in his pants he neglected to do the same with his gun. :rolleyes: What an idiot. 'Can’t see him becoming a poster boy for the NRA anytime soon,
And how was it he had a gun…?
Charlie ~ traded a beating for abducting and terrifying a woman. Presumably he thought this was fair exchange and no robbery; shame it turned out to be murder.
(Yeah, yeah, I know – but this is my whinge. *gets all pouty with her arms folded -* *- but mercifully doesn’t stamp her feet* so let me alone. ;) ) Which brings us to the lovely…
Ana. ~ The buck stops here I think: ‘romanced’ James’ weapon straight out from under him - with the express purpose of committing murder, AND evading the truth of it by making it appear Henry was escaping – then squandered…nay spat in the face of redemption. Distraught, reflective, and unable to do what she had intended…
This once officer of the Law, surrendered a loaded gun into the hands of a man who might … and gave him the combination to the armoury door.
What a lovely piece of work she turned out to be. :mad: Bad Ana! Bad!
But well done Michelle. :clapping:
*if I were playing Trent’s Last Case – reassessing events witnessed – I’d be proposing John were covering Ana’s embarrassment with his ‘she slipped – my bad’ untruth. Bring on the revisionists I say.
~ nervously hits COPY wondering how this text will translate... ghastlylyly would be my guess ~
I agree John shouldn't be blamed, if anyone is to blame then obviously its Micheal, since he and he alone pulled that trigger. Also Ana wasn't to bright handing the gun over to him, but she didn't know what was going to happen.
I believe John did the right thing in holding back the truth, cos if he hadn't Jack would have gone gun crazed and probably killed Henry and then any advantage the Lostiees had (excuse pun) would have been 'lost'. In hindsight though John probably would regret his lie, cos I think he did it partly to have a bit of power in knowing information Jack didn't, and Locke seems to be obcessed with control. So John told a lie for selfish reasons and for the protection of Henry. Which was part of the chain of events which have caused the death of Ana Lucia. It is unfair to single it out.
luv me_ luv lost 09-08-2006, 01:33 PM Which was part of the chain of events which have caused the death of Ana Lucia and Libby. It is unfair to single it out.
It's not confirmed that Libby is dead, as we don't know if she is.
Oh Sorry I'll get rid of that.:redface:
ramie 09-09-2006, 01:46 PM I thought he lied to
A) Protect Henry from punishment for attacking Ana
B) To protect Ana, lets face it she didn't have the best record when it came to f#%k ups and didn't really need any more black marks against her.
I know that its been said already but I thought I'd do an 'in a nutshell' version.
boones_the_boss 09-09-2006, 02:59 PM I never thought I'd say this but I really didn't enjoy this episode......
Too some up Michaels actions with the gun - pointless. Bloody pointless!
I really feel that scene could have benn done better.
luv me_ luv lost 09-09-2006, 03:02 PM I thought he lied to
A) Protect Henry from punishment for attacking Ana
B) To protect Ana, lets face it she didn't have the best record when it came to f#%k ups and didn't really need any more black marks against her.
I know that its been said already but I thought I'd do an 'in a nutshell' version.
I agree. He promised he'd protect Henry
Oz_Vampy_Chick 09-10-2006, 09:27 AM At least we know John can keep his promises, unlike some!! But i wonder how John is going to react when he finds Ana and Libby!! I wonder if he'll be so protective, maybe he'll blame himself!!
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luv me_ luv lost 09-10-2006, 12:21 PM At least we know John can keep his promises, unlike some!! But i wonder how John is going to react when he finds Ana and Libby!! I wonder if he'll be so protective, maybe he'll blame himself!!
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I would think he would blame himself. Being stupid to keep it a secret about Ana and Henry and lose faith in the island again.
I never thought I'd say this but I really didn't enjoy this episode......
Too some up Michaels actions with the gun - pointless. Bloody pointless!
I really feel that scene could have benn done better.
I didn't see it as pointless, It showed how far Micheal will go to get Walt back, it shows how in desperation people change. Good character development, I'd say.
I don't see how it could have been done better, and its set up the end of the series brilliantly.
I've spoiler tagged this as i'm not sure if it should be or not.:confused:
evassu esaelp 09-10-2006, 06:34 PM Much agreed :biggrin: super episode sets up the end of season perfectly, i mean you knew something was going to happen but two deaths was just unbelieveable especially Libby. look like the others indeed got to him just bursting to know whats next.
boones_the_boss 09-11-2006, 04:31 PM I didn't see it as pointless, It showed how far Micheal will go to get Walt back, it shows how in desperation people change. Good character development, I'd say.
I don't see how it could have been done better, and its set up the end of the series brilliantly.
I've spoiler tagged this as i'm not sure if it should be or not.:confused:
I guess Im just frustrated that two awesome characters have perished from the show and we don't get to learn more about them!:mad:
I undertstand what your saying though fully.Good point.:biggrin:
I guess Im just frustrated that two awesome characters have perished from the show and we don't get to learn more about them!:mad:
I undertstand what your saying though fully.Good point.:biggrin:
I have to say I do wish it was anyone but Libby who had also been killed with Ana, there was so much more to learn about her, I can't help but feel sometimes we get taken in for nothing!:mad:
It makes me wonder if Libbys backstory would have given to much away, so they killed her off and are slowly going to reveal her connections in other FBs as the story ventures on. I hope this happens I want to know why she was in the same frikken mental institue with Hurley!!!
Plus I was convinced she was an other!!! (Take that back I still am)
ramie 09-11-2006, 06:38 PM Don't think she was an other, but I think I could hazard a guess at her reason for being in the hospital.
luv me_ luv lost 09-12-2006, 01:41 PM I guess Im just frustrated that two awesome characters have perished from the show and we don't get to learn more about them!:mad:
I undertstand what your saying though fully.Good point.:biggrin:
Heard of flashbacks???
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