How did you guys interpret the conversations between Sun and Jin last night? I was intrigued that Jin was concerned for Claire's baby, and that certainly seemed to be a loaded glance that he gave Sun when he asked.

I also thought it was interesting how Jin seemed to blame the others for what was going on, although I am not sure what to make of it.

What did you think?

There's definately something going on in Jin's head . . . usually he doesn't ask her anything about "the others". So this concern (if it's genuine) for Claire and her baby is so out of left-field . . .


As for his blaming everyone else . . . duh! Whether he likes it or not, they both need "the others" around for safety sake (safety in numbers) . . . even if he could fend (food wise) for them both.

I don't think his concern for Claire was out of left-field. Back in the pilot, when he gathered up sea urchins to feed to people, who was the first person he tried to feed? Well, okay, it was Hurley...but after that? Claire. Who immediately made him feel her baby kicking. I think he cares about her and her baby at least, I bet when we get his flashback there'll be some reason behind that concern.

assuming that jin speaks english (which i think that most here do), when charlie -- i think that it was charlie -- and jin were "talking" and charlie was saying how good he thought jin had it because of the language barrier and the isolation from the crazyness of the island it had to strike a cord in jin somewhere.

i think that this contributes to his newfound concern one of "the others" on the island.

I thought last night... and have seen in another thread, that he speaks english and he was asking her about the baby and waht she thought was was going on to see if she would slip up and reveal that she knew something. *That she also understood what they were saying. *Just the way he was looking at her like..... come on say something they are talking about so I can call you out.

There's another discussion about this here:
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6312.0;topicseen

though this thread has some different ideas in it.

Well, I think Claire was the 2nd person he went to feed the urchin to was because she was fairly close. I don't think her being pregnant had much to do with that.

And I'm just wondering why WE are seeing this concern now and not little snippets before? Ya know what I mean? That's why I feel like it's out of left-field.

Well, I think Claire was the 2nd person he went to feed the urchin to was because she was fairly close. I don't think her being pregnant had much to do with that.

And I'm just wondering why WE are seeing this concern now and not little snippets before? Ya know what I mean? That's why I feel like it's out of left-field.


He showed a lot of compassion toward Hurley when dude was stung by the urchin. He's also been keeping people fed. He was the first person to gather native foodstuff and try to feed people.

I think he's very misunderstood because of the language barrier. I think many of us interpreted his early behavior toward Sun as jerkiness when really it's cultural difference in marital relations.

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Is it a cultural difference that drives Jin to walk miles through the jungle with a fishing net (try that ten times fast), to go fishing....when he lives on a beach?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I hate to sound pessimistic here, but I found Jin's "concern" to be more for himself and his wife. Like he was curious that something was wrong with Claire and it might effect them. Or with the baby....I think that he is wondering if they are safe around her and the baby because he immediately started talking about how they are getting harmed because of "the others". Anyone else see this?

Maybe he found a good fishing hole.

The fish aren't as likely to stick around the beach encampment area if people are swimming and playing in the water. Plus, there's problems with the rising tide in that area.

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It's an island. Would not the tides rise equally around it?

Unless the island is, say, Australia.

Playing and frolicking, like all traumatized crash surivivors being stalked by psychotic maniacs and menacing monsters do!

"I'm hungry"

"I miss home"

"Hey, break out the volleyball, let's have some fun in the sun!"

It's an island. Would not the tides rise equally around it?

Unless the island is, say, Australia.

Playing and frolicking, like all traumatized crash surivivors being stalked by psychotic maniacs and menacing monsters do!

"I'm hungry"

"I miss home"

"Hey, break out the volleyball, let's have some fun in the sun!"


I suppose the tide would rise evenly, but the currents and waves around the island would be affected by different land and sea bed formations, right? I'm from the midwest, and don't know much about the ocean - but even here the current in rivers and creeks is affected by sandbars, rocks and land formation. Fish like some areas better than others.

I'm just trying to point out that there are reasons other than stoopidity that Jin is fishing in another area.

I think they can solve two problems with one solution.

Hurley doesn't like wiping with banana leaves.

Jin has to commute to his fishing job....and doing so he drags the net back and forth...uh Jin, you no have to do that. Leave net at fishing hole, tie to twee.

Hurley needs to go Tidybowl man in the ocean. Aterwards the fishing wouldn't be better if Jesus was calling the shots.

They'd also be recycling, which is good, right?

I know you are trying to have fun, but ...

Pooping in their fishing grounds is a no-no. It has the potential to spread disease. I've been hoping that Sayid organized a sanitation committee to build latrines out in the woods. They shouldn't be (edited: pooping) anywhere they can come in contact with each others' poop.

If I were in a survival situation, I wouldn't leave my net (or any other important tool) unsecured and unattended when not using it. That net took quite a while to make, it's a precious resource. I wouldn't risk it getting carried off by animals, tides or the "others."

I'm just trying to point out that there are reasons other than stoopidity that Jin is fishing in another area.

I hear ya loud and clear. I guess I'm just someone who sees Jin's action as "Let's take care of us first and let them worry about themselves." *I don't know anything about Korean Culture and I'm pretty sure it's nothing like Japanese Culture (of which I know very little through my mother) but I just see a lot of his actions as being "self-preservation" for he and Sun.

So, maybe Jin did find another fishing hole somewhere further into the jungle (it is possible) and is keeping it a semi-secret just in case something happens.

Ehh . . . I could just be rambling but that's kinda where my thoughts are about Jin and his motives.

I agree with Ms. Bianca (back to original topic) that the concern that Jin shows may not be real - at least concern for the others, even Claire. * I think something is up with him and it worries me. * There was a definite focus on the two of them last nite.....

Is it a cultural difference that drives Jin to walk miles through the jungle with a fishing net (try that ten times fast), to go fishing....when he lives on a beach?

Inquiring minds want to know.


Um, Jin and Sun live IN THE CAVES, not on the beach.

No, actually, on this episode they lived on the beach, as did everyone else.

If he'd of fished there, he could've caught Ethan first.

I'm still curious as to what Jin was alluding to when he referenced their current peril as being caused by "what they did". They' being his fellow survivors. What act of island defiance is he talking of? Jack tapping the water supply? Is the golf course on sacred ground? Did Greg take the Tiki Idol?

Right--and given his protective nature--as others have noted--is makes sense that he would keep the fishing net to himself....But we should also keep in mind that Jin is probably catching fish for everyone, not just himself. *Other characters have mentioned in passing that that have been eating fish--are tired of fish--so Jin may be keeping the net to himself, but his use of it is clearly helping everyone.

I'm wondering if Jin glance at Sun after his concern has to do with their relationship--that they were trying to get pregnant before the trip or something like that.

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Yes--I was really curious about what "they did" too....

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I guess I read the conversation a little differently than everyone else. * It seemed like concern for sure, but there was something else there. *It seemed almost hopeful. *I took it as Jin and Sun wanting to have a baby together. *I'll have to watch it again, but at the end of the conversation you can see Sun smile.

Why not have a baby on the island? *They very clearly love each other. *At the end of the episode you can see them spooning at the caves.

I thought last night... and have seen in another thread, that he speaks english and he was asking her about the baby and waht she thought was was going on to see if she would slip up and reveal that she knew something. *That she also understood what they were saying. *Just the way he was looking at her like..... come on say something they are talking about so I can call you out.


I agree with this post, I've been thinking for weeks that Jin understands English and has not revealed it so that he has an 'edge' on the rest. I think in his episode it's all going to come out between Jin and Sun Re: hidden language skills.

when Jin said "The Others" I immediately thought, What OTHERS does he mean. the other castaways or
the other others?
By the end of there exchange I thought he is digging for weather or not she can speak English.
The look he gives her and the way she looks at him seems to allude to the fact that she has a secret and he knows it. That leads to another subplot here. That she might be pregnant and he is asking in a round about way.

I also think Jin understands English

I agree with ultrazero - there was something personal in that conversation. Is sun pregnant? Had they talked about a baby? Have they lost a baby? "Baby" seems significant to them personally, aside from just concern for Claire.

I personally didn't think he seemed all that concerned with the "it's what the other's did that got us in this mess" (paraphrasing) statement he made. He seemed more concerned with how what was going on would affect them.

At first I thought that Sun may be pregnant, but the more I think about it, I am starting to agree with those who suggested that she and Jin may have lost a child.

Remember when Jin made up the sushi, he took Hurley's no pretty easily but seemed a little more insistant with Claire. *nutrition is particularly important to an expectant woman*

Then when the baby kicked and Claire grabbed his hand to feel it, he tried to pull away. *seemed a little more urgent than simply a shy oriental guy not wanting to touch a woman because of cultural differences*

I think sheba is right, that Sun and Jin probably lost a child, or even that they may have been trying, unsuccessfully, to get pregnant, which would explain the tenderness towards Claire in earlier episodes. However, in this episode, I personally thought that Jin's concern seemed a little weird. He seemed a little bitter towards Claire or even jealous of her.

The comment-- what did the others do?-- made me think that Jin realized that some action (i.e. Claire coming back to camp) had created a dangerous situation (i.e. Ethan threatening everyone). So that could possibly explain what I read to be bitterness. But I almost felt like Jin wanted the baby to be born healthy for some "other" purpose. This might be stretching it, but I was reminded of Ethan's concern for the baby, which stemmed from his creepy desire to possess it.