Anyone have any guesses about Karl's story? He asked Sawyer about the "people from his plane," so I guess he wasn't one of the tail-section survivors the Others nabbed on the first few nights. Do you think he is a survivor from some other sort of crash on the island? Or could his captivity and escape be some sort of "experiment" that he was in on all along?

In light of the spoilerthat there are 2 groups of Others, do you think he could possibly be part of the second group?

Did you see the kid that was fixing something at Juliet's house? It was Karl. It was the same kid - or his twin or clone...it was the same kid that was in the cage next to Sawyer...

He had a key...I think he was a plant...I think that he did what he did on purpose and someone beat him up to make it look convincing...I think the questions that he asked were just part of his act...

I'm not sure what Chachi was up to. It seems that he and Sawyer made some eye contact of understanding. I think Jack and Michael made the same eye contact when Michael was leaving with Walt. But, that's a whole 'nother story.


the sites acting really funky tonight by the way. i got redirected at one point.
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Did you see the kid that was fixing something at Juliet's house? It was Karl. It was the same kid - or his twin or clone...it was the same kid that was in the cage next to Sawyer...

He had a key...I think he was a plant...I think that he did what he did on purpose and someone beat him up to make it look convincing...I think the questions that he asked were just part of his act...

BINGO!! you multi-star folks are the Jedis!!!!

I think he was planted there by the Others to see how Sawyer would respond to different stimuli.

Did you see the kid that was fixing something at Juliet's house? It was Karl. It was the same kid - or his twin or clone...it was the same kid that was in the cage next to Sawyer...


The person fixing the plumbing was not Karl. It was whatsisface that got sent off to pretend to be a survivor. (Not Goodwin, the other one.)

Ethan was fixing the plumbing....way too normal

Did you see the kid that was fixing something at Juliet's house? It was Karl. It was the same kid - or his twin or clone...it was the same kid that was in the cage next to Sawyer...

He had a key...I think he was a plant...I think that he did what he did on purpose and someone beat him up to make it look convincing...I think the questions that he asked were just part of his act...

Not sure I buy it, he didn't get that many questions in, or even ones that the others didn't already know about. I though I saw a lock pick or peice of metal, not a key, but I'll have to go back to make sure.

I'm not sure what Chachi was up to. It seems that he and Sawyer made some eye contact of understanding. I think Jack and Michael made the same eye contact when Michael was leaving with Walt. But, that's a whole 'nother story.


the sites acting really funky tonight by the way. i got redirected at one point.
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BINGO!! you multi-star folks are the Jedis!!!!LOL! I may have to quote you, MBL, and put that last line in a spot near my avatar! Thanks for the compliment! I've learned everything I know from the brains in the Tiberius Thread. They are the real Jedis!

HOWEVER...it is the same kid! I could be wrong, but I don't think so...

Yeah it definitely seemed like Karl was an Other, trying to get something out of Sawyer

but if they have that huge file on Jack, then why would they need to know? Just to mess with them?

Maybe Karl was planted to "bust" Sawyer out just to see what he would do. Juliett didn't seem that surprised when she caught him in the jungle, like she was expecting him.

LOL! I may have to quote you, MBL, and put that last line in a spot near my avatar! Thanks for the compliment! I've learned everything I know from the brains in the Tiberius Thread. They are the real Jedis!

HOWEVER...it is the same kid! I could be wrong, but I don't think so...

I just rewatched the ep, and I think that was Ethan fixing the plumming. He even had dirt all over him, and a tool in his hand. I could be wrong though.

I think Karl was planted and is an Other, and it was Ethan who was fixing the plumbing. Question: what did the preview for next week's episode show in the US? in Canada it was showed Sawyer getting shocked by an Other after Kate wouldn't do what they want, and it showed Sun, Jin and Sayeed continuing on their search. The voice-over asked questions like "will one of the survivors die..."

I think KArl is an Other pretending to be a captive. It reminded me of the epi when AnaLucia was thrown in the tiger pit with Sawyer, Jin, and Michael and she pretended to be a captive, too.

Maybe Karl was planted to "bust" Sawyer out just to see what he would do. Juliett didn't seem that surprised when she caught him in the jungle, like she was expecting him.


I agree. Juliet seemed unphased, as if they had planned this out in full to have him be released and then capture him before he could go far. I, however, believe this was done to find out more information about the Losties because at one point Karl begins to ask Sawyer a bunch of questions about the camp and so on.

I just rewatched the ep, and I think that was Ethan fixing the plumming. He even had dirt all over him, and a tool in his hand. I could be wrong though.

Yeah, it was definitely Ethan. I didn't notice Karl in that scene, but he could have been there. He wasn't fixing the plumbing though.

I agree. Juliet seemed unphased, as if they had planned this out in full to have him be released and then capture him before he could go far.
She could also have been unphased because Karl has tried to escape before and they're used to catching him. I'm just playing devil's advocate really - I have yet to decide what I think about Karl; I think it could go either way.

She could also have been unphased because Karl has tried to escape before and they're used to catching him. I'm just playing devil's advocate really - I have yet to decide what I think about Karl; I think it could go either way.

That is possible. I did not really consider that. Although, the Others love to use the "planting" trick, in which they put one of theirs among the Losties. But, I can see where you are coming from in saying the above.

If Ethan was fixing Juliet's plumbing, does that mean they had some kind of relationship? Did Juliet lose a friend/lover when he was shot to death by Charlie?
Would Juliet now harbor revenge toward the captured Losties?

That is possible. I did not really consider that. Although, the Others love to use the "planting" trick, in which they put one of theirs among the Losties. But, I can see where you are coming from in saying the above.

Karl didn't seemed to be really roughed up at all when we met him in the cage. So considering all that, I think he is part of the Others.

Anyone have screen captures? I think that would help the debate.

Karl didn't seemed to be really roughed up at all when we met him in the cage. So considering all that, I think he is part of the Others.

You're very right. I think we can rule out the possibility that he's a Tailie or anything along those lines. I do wonder, however, if he was a "plant" or if he was a "naughty Other" who was put in the cage for breaking rules. Did he try to get off the island, or communicate with the outside world, or hit on Alex, or what?

He had a key...I think he was a plant...I think that he did what he did on purpose and someone beat him up to make it look convincing...I think the questions that he asked were just part of his act...

I didn't think it was a key. It looked like he was picking the lock with something to me.

Ethan was definently fixing the plumbing on Juliet's house.

And when Karl escaped, he specifically told Sawyer to run in the OTHER DIRECTION, away from him. (because he's one of the others IMO...they just roughed up Karl's face a bit to make it look real.) Juliet was in the woods waiting for Sawyer because that's the direction Karl pointed him in....

yep, ethan was the plumber at the beginning.
i've been back and forth about whether or not carl was planted there. i dont think it was a key he used, but rather just picked the lock. i think he told sawyer to run towards the building knowing that sawyer would run into someone coming out to stop them from escaping, sort of a diversion for himself. what i dont think carl expected was that he was running to the beach where beardy and the thugs were, thus ruining his escape plan. i think his questions about the other losties was to evaluate whether or not he shoudl head to them for help once he escaped. maybe he did something to piss off ben and the others so they put him in jail. then again, he could have just been planted to mess w/ sawyers head.

I think he was planted there by the Others to see how Sawyer would respond to different stimuli.

i think he was a plant too. if he could pick the lock he wouldnt he have tried escaping before rather than waiting to for someone to escape with him? plus wouldnt they have just taken away his lock-pick and stuck him back in the cage...what did they do with him?

Something just doesn't add up with this guy. He asks Sawyer about the other people with him, then tells him to run another direction.

I don't think he is a survivor from another crash or shipwreck because the cages seem to be temporary holding cells for their captives. I think if they grab someone it is for a specific purpose, to test them maybe, not just detain them.

I don't think he is just a member of the Others who became unruly or something and had to be detained, or he would have known that they would catch him, and he would have planned his escape better than just bolting in broad daylight.

And why even help Sawyer "escape" if he wants him to run in another direction.

So I am going with the theory that he is a plant by the others.

I think he was a plant, setting sawyer up the same way the Bear feed gizmos work.

Show him a guy who experiments to get what he wants(escape), by picking the locks then gets punished for it.

Then put Kate in the cage, who we know from the handcuffs can pick locks.
She'll naturally wants to escape, but its up to Sawyer to demand she stays in the cage else she gets beaten.

Karl was setting Sawyer up for later. He told Sawyer which way to run and then was brought back to apologize for "his failure and getting Sawyer involved" Great way to win Sawyers' trust when next they meet.

Not a big deal, but I noticed that in the "sneak peek" version of Sawyer getting zapped by the food machine that he called Karl by his name. In last night's episode, they cut it out, mainly because Karl hadn't revelaed his name yet. Minor detail, but it makes you wonder why they changed it, they must have cut out a scene prior to this one where Karl states his name.

I think he was a plant, setting sawyer up the same way the Bear feed gizmos work.

Show him a guy who experiments to get what he wants(escape), by picking the locks then gets punished for it.

Then put Kate in the cage, who we know from the handcuffs can pick locks.
She'll naturally wants to escape, but its up to Sawyer to demand she stays in the cage else she gets beaten.

I think this is very plausible. The Others want to show Sawyer what will happen if he tries to escape. Not that it will stop him, but showing is better than telling.

This strengthens the premise of Carl Jung's influence on the plot (Collective Unconscious, Synchronicity, Archetypes, Extroverts/Introverts)


(Secretly, I'm hoping Karl is Ben's son, the captured leader of the breakaway group comprised of Other's youths.)

I thought Karl was just an unruly teen. he probably did something against the rules and they threw him in the cage for a while. He got a little roughed up cuz he prob tried to punch tom or someone as he escaped. I think they made him apologize because it was not part of the plan.

nobody found it weird that Karl knew about the plane crash, the camp, and asked how far a walk it was to get there. All this without Sawyer speaking of it first and while being a prisoner?? I can see one of three possibilities.

1. Karl is an other
2. Karl is a prisoner or part of an experiment.
3. Karl is a child on the island. Since none of the children appear to be visible anywhere on the island, maybe he is from the kids camp and did something considered to be bad behavior.

one thing is for sure. we'll see him again. nothing is an accident on this show, or on this island.

i think its more likely that he was there to show sawyer not to escape than it is that he was there to get information. but something makes me think he's not an other.

I agree he's probably a plant. How else did he know Sawyer was from the plane crash? It's been what, 50+ days? He sent Sawyer in just the right direction to get him caught by Juliet, who just happens to be walking through the woods. And he gets taken away just in time for Kate to occupy is cage.

I agree with whoever said it was a set-up to get Sawyer to trust him for some later event.

This strengthens the premise of Carl Jung's influence on the plot (Collective Unconscious, Synchronicity, Archetypes, Extroverts/Introverts)


(Secretly, I'm hoping Karl is Ben's son, the captured leader of the breakaway group comprised of Other's youths.)

Now that would be interesting....