Do we know for certain that Ethan killed Scott/Steve? The manner of his death seems a little strange -- his neck was broken (Ethan-ish), but so were all the bones in both arms and in the fingers of his hands. Trust me, I've studied anatomy -- that's a lot of bones. I'm trying to picture just how this particular murder would be done...and why the gratuitious bone-crushing.

Was there a ritual involved?

Or did the monster attack from the sea, engulf poor Sceve from the neck up (assuming his arms were over his head), and crush the bejeesis out of him?

Templeton

Anything is possible...Maybe it was the same attack that got the girl that was swimming

I keep thinking the

elephant theory may be raising its ugly head again. Elephants can swim, so it could come up from the ocean. It would have the power to crush every bone in Scott/Steve's body. Of course, the elephant would have to be in steath mode (catless) to do the deed without attracting attention from those sleeping nearby (coughboonecough). At any rate, I believe our victim was crushed rather than beaten to death by Ethan.

The only thing I know for certain about Lost, is that I don't know anything certain.

:-\

I agree, something is fishy.
Either there is an entrance to the underground system just off shore, or there is a sea monster as well.
I can't remember which bones they said were broken, but at the time I thought that it was implausible for a person to break that number of bones. I also feel Sceve was crushed.

Those were my thoughts exactly. Both Steve and Scott are big, strong guys (they seem like it anyway). So whoever it was that died, it doesn't seem like Ethan, strong as he is, could crush him like that. Plus the whole "came from the sea" thing... it seems more than possible that there is a sea monster. I find it impossible that Ethan would kill sceve so brutally without waking Boone up. But then again, nothing is impossible...

The only thing I know for certain about Lost, is that I don't know anything certain.

:-\


My thoughts as well.

I did not think of this until I read this post but you are right, it would have been imposable to do that much damage without anyone hearing.

more like a theory below
maybe they took him off the beach while they were all sleeping and deposited him back right before they found him.
Notice I say THEY

I agree it seems unlikely that a human could break that many bones...but...
since it was Christian Bowman (credited as Steve up till now) that died, and yet they call him Scott when burying him, despite the fact that Dustin Watchman (credited as Scott up till now) was standing in the background at the funeral and NEVER CORRECTED THEM, I almost wonder if he (meaning Dustin/Scott) didn't kill him (meaning Christian/Steve), or have something to do with his death. It would explain how someone got through their perimeter- he would have already been there. There are a lot of holes in this theory though. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see what others thought.
I know I thought Ethan was vicious enough to torture someone and kill them though. I hadn't thought about the possibility of the monster...

Exactly how did they determine Sceve had all of his bones broken? Did Sayeed wire up an X-ray machine from the cellphone and I-pod parts bin, or did they hold Sceve's carcass up to the light? Compound fractures I could understand, legs that bend birdlike would be a clue, but she specifically mentioned his broken fingers.

"Oh my God, his fingers bend! They must be shattered inside!"

Touching dead people is creepy. Examining them to determine which bones aren't ready for assembly is just plain strange.

"Hey, it feels like his pelvis got....oops...never mind."

Well when you pick someone up off the beach and their arm bends in places it's not meant to, I think they guessed that something wasn't right.

Beisdes they could have sedated him, broken his bones then as a nice twist, thrown him on the sea. That way he could swim to shore...or float there. Either way he'd be dead.

Yeah dead bodies get rigid but I doubt they would bend the opposite way of what they normally do. I dont think they were hairline fractures but obvious breaks in the bone.

I was also thinking, what if the ocean's waves just pounded him against the rocks for a while. No murder at all? Don't know how he got in the water, but maybe he was killed then thrown in. Dunno?

Jack the doctor could certainly determine, without requiring radiology, that the cervical vertabrae, the three bones in the arms, and a bunch of the bones in the hands were broken, as long as the fractures were something more significant than the hairline variety.

It was the diary person who said all the bones in his body were broken. IIRC, Jack specified the bones in the neck, arms, and hands.

Templeton

So far the monster has sort of shredded people. When did it become so subtle? :-\

Ethan (and I do believe it was Ethan) could have snapped Steve/Scott's neck first and taken his time breaking the rest, no fighting, no screaming. Banging against rocks could break some bones but they said all of his fingers were broken. That is a rather delicate thing to do by accident.

I do think it was Ethan since he did threaten to kill them all and they showed no sign of turning over Claire. It was a lesson to show them how helpless they were against someone who knows the island. Snapping the guy's neck would have fulfilled the threat to kill but breaking bones and especially taking time to snap each finger...

that was pure vindictiveness. He was making a point. Not just death but a horrible, painful death awaited them if they continued to refuse.

I totally agree with you Robinhood ;D

Maybe he killed him by snapping his neck (real nice stuff btw..) and they did all the other stuff to show that he meant buisness. However, I'm starting to by into this super-human strength theory.

Locke slips Boone something to make him fall asleep, snaps Sceve's neck and then works him over with the blunt side of the axe for a few hours.

I'm kidding! Don't hurt me!

Maybe it was "Monty'

When did the monster become this killing machine?* Remember it did not kill Shannon that was a drug induced hallucination.* It didn't kill Locke, in fact he said he looked into the eye of the ISLAND and it was beautiful.

OK the pilot but,
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * I understand he will be back for an episode before the end of the season.* It might be
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *a flashback but then again, who knows.
SO WHEN DID THE MONSTER(CREATURE), Danielle whose been there for 16 years said there are no such thing as monsters, BECOME A KILLING MACHINE.

The "monster" I am thinking of eats once a month

I think the elephant theory is out since JJ has said that the "monster" lives in the trees.* :no2:
Coupons, you may have something though. Is the monster I think you are referring to [spoiler]some sort of REALLY big snake?/[spoiler]* * They sometimes live in trees and would be capable of breaking every bone in someone's body without them making a sound because their air supply would be cut off. And they also can swim so Sceve could have been gotten to on the beach. It also could have taken the swimmer down. The question now is do the "others" control the monster or was the attack a "lucky" coincidence?

Great theory, I had been wondering what all this about a snake was. I'd heard murmurings all over the place about it, but everyone just said "shhhh", lol, and I never found out what was going on.

Pretty interesting though, really, and it makes sense too.

lostbylost: We don't know that Shannon didn't die... What defines a dream or a hallucination? On this island, we don't know. :) Everyone may wake up suddenly and find out that everything they have "imagined" on the island was what is actually real. So in other words... Shannon may actually be dead now, and the hallucination may be taking place NOW.

:)

I think it was Ethan. He seems like the kind of guy that does what he threatens to do. What happened to Charlie is good enough proof for me.

all this time I have been thinking it was a birds, but with Steve having all the bones in his bony broken it does sound like a snake.* I don't think Ethan could have done that by himself.

birs?

Maybe he died in the plane crash!!! (Like they all did!!) I'm starting to think that this is playing out like a LOOOOOONG Amicus movie....you know, where they're all on a train (or in an elevator) and one person (Peter Cushing) tells them all flashbacks about their lives....and in the end it turns out that they're all dead....

Oh, birds! Sorry chelle, I had no idea what you were talking about at first. :)

that is OK, its what I get when I don't do spell checks

;D Yeah, I don't do them either, but I'm just luckier. :D

If your theories are correct I never heard of a snake that stomped around much less as loudly as this one does. Maybe it's cross between the 2 theories.

If your theories are correct I never heard of a snake that stomped around much less as loudly as this one does. Maybe it's cross between the 2 theories.

a cross? how?

We have heard of scientific experimentation so maybe they took a ROC egg with the genes of a giant Boa constrictor.* making a BOAROC.* Since we know that the creative team has said the Monster/Creature lives in the treetops

My original post was actually .* About our presumption that the Monster/Creature is a killing machine and I don't know that it's a true presumption.* see above post.

wait so is the monster working with the others??? or just Ethan? or is it just coincidence that ehtan made the threat the once a month that the monster eats?

Four whisperers posting right in a row on the same thread, look at that. :) We're growing. :D

Well anyways, I don't think the others are controlling people and things as much as some people think. Maybe Ethan, but I think that's it. The monster is surely a vigilante.

The other thing is that Sceve wasn't eaten....
And hasn't there been talk on the spoiler boards that a big snake has been ordered from one of the companies that makes monster type things for movies? and I also saw a picture over there showing a view off shore -way way off shore of something that looked like it might be a snake type creature. I'll go find the threads and come back . I can't find it. Honestly, there's so much new on the spoiler and theory boards , I gotta go! :oGONE TO BE SPOILED!!!!!