"A Tale of Two Cities" was an extremely dark episode, with an overall eerie and sad tone. Do you think that's gonna be the case of the rest of this season?

While I really enjoyed the episode, I think that limiting it on the three main characters was kinda strange... but maybe I'm just missing Hurley...:rolleyes:

We'll see everyone next week. I'm happy. I'll finally have more Hurley quotes!

And as for the tone of the episode...I was golden with it, up until it was revealed that Jack's really creepy and stalkerish. It was like the Very Special Episode of Lost.

I definetly agree that the tone of the episode was dark and very sad and I hope to see some happy moments later in the season.. but i really liked the episode anyways. It was very well done. As for next week, I'm not so sure we're going to see everyone else. The preview showed Sayid, Jin and Sun but i'm not sure we'll get to the stories of Locke, Desmond and Eko or the other people on the beach. (i'm not sure if the preview for next week is considered a spoiler but oh well just in case)

I was disappointed at first that we saw so few characters but stylistically I think it was an excellent choice. It increased the sense of isolation that you know J/K/S were feeling. They knew nothing of what was going on outside of the Other's camp and neither did we. If we would have cut to the beach or to Hurley walking back to camp you would have lost that. It added to the fear and foreboding to be as in the dark as they were. I know next week we'll start to cut away and see more of what's going on elsewhere but for setting the tone in the first episode I think it was right.

The storyline at the end of Season 2 was in complete contrast to Damon & Cuse's chirpy assurances of a "lighter, more romantic" season this time.

If they try to have funny scenes, light scenes, with all that's going on, I think it will backfire on them big time. They managed to remember that last night. Will subsequent eppys do the same? We can but wait and see.

If they try to have funny scenes, light scenes, with all that's going on, I think it will backfire on them big time.

I don't agree with this STH. They managed to do this magnificently in season one. They would juxtapose light funny scenes with dark scenes to great effect, as long as the other characters obviously had no idea what was going on in the other place. Two great examples are Confidence Man (Sawyer's Torture/Charlie and Claire peanut butter scene) and Solitary (Sayid's Torture/playing golf). I always liked that about Lost.

I think they can easily do that here. While J/K/S are going through hell, life could be carrying on back at the beach with golf, guitar playing and all manner of things people do to get through each day.

I agree. It does seem darker, especially since focusing on the others. It makes for a very interesting season.

Jack was a lot darker in his flashbacks as well. It was interesting seeing him go through all of those emotions. He was a wreck.

The storyline at the end of Season 2 was in complete contrast to Damon & Cuse's chirpy assurances of a "lighter, more romantic" season this time.

If they try to have funny scenes, light scenes, with all that's going on, I think it will backfire on them big time. They managed to remember that last night. Will subsequent eppys do the same? We can but wait and see.

I say they were teasing up. Buttering us up. And then, WHAMMY! they hit us with a left.

I don't agree with this STH. They managed to do this magnificently in season one. They would juxtapose light funny scenes with dark scenes to great effect, as long as the other characters obviously had no idea what was going on in the other place. Two great examples are Confidence Man (Sawyer's Torture/Charlie and Claire peanut butter scene) and Solitary (Sayid's Torture/playing golf). I always liked that about Lost.

I think they can easily do that here. While J/K/S are going through hell, life could be carrying on back at the beach with golf, guitar playing and all manner of things people do to get through each day.
I love that even when things are going all downhill, Sawyer can still make us laugh. I think this show can very easily balance a dark atmosphere with some light-heartedness. This show is amazing, and I have a lot of confidence in it.

The storyline at the end of Season 2 was in complete contrast to Damon & Cuse's chirpy assurances of a "lighter, more romantic" season this time.

If they try to have funny scenes, light scenes, with all that's going on, I think it will backfire on them big time. They managed to remember that last night. Will subsequent eppys do the same? We can but wait and see.

Maybe Damon and Cuse were just foiling us with the "lighter, more romantic" talk over the summer. Judging from last night's episode, I don't see any room for "more romance" in the first 6 episodes.

Up til now there has been a good balance of light and dark moments and I believe that will continue.

I have stopped trying to judge each episode on its own and started looking at how each episode advances the story and overall plot. I still feel that the producers and writers are taking us in the right direction.

YES, YES, YES. LOVED IT. The focus for the epie was Jack, Kate, Sawyer and The Others, and that's exactly what we got, no dissapointment here.

LOVE IT!!!

We know it was going to at least start out dark since the focus is going to be on the Others, which Damon already hinted at. I'm sure we'll see lighter sides of our favorite Losties and maybe get some back ground on the Others. I have a fell "Juliet" might turn. She seemed to be on edge at the beginning when the crash happened, and then the look and tone she shot "Ben" was very telling.
Can't wait for next week.

I loved last night episode. Very nice to know the Others are not some primitive jungle dwellers like they lead the losties (and us) believe. I hope that we get to see more of what is going on between Ben and Juliet. It seems they have some hostility towards each other. I was shocked he slammed the door on her like that when the water was rushing in, it seems he did not value her life at all. I also liked seeing evil Ethan again, that was cool. My biggest anticipation is to see how Mr. Eko, Locke and Desmond are doing.
Very dark eppy indeed.

I have a feeling the mini series is going to be 'dark' until J/K/S are free and back at the beach again...then hopefully when the real season starts in January it will 'lighten' up.

I don't agree with this STH. They managed to do this magnificently in season one. They would juxtapose light funny scenes with dark scenes to great effect, as long as the other characters obviously had no idea what was going on in the other place. Two great examples are Confidence Man (Sawyer's Torture/Charlie and Claire peanut butter scene) and Solitary (Sayid's Torture/playing golf). I always liked that about Lost.

I think they can easily do that here. While J/K/S are going through hell, life could be carrying on back at the beach with golf, guitar playing and all manner of things people do to get through each day.

I completely agree. I think they've mixed the drama/humor perfectly in the past and am confident they'll continue that. I was grateful for the few light scenes we got last night (Juliet as repo-woman, Sawyer celebrating his fish biscuit). I needed the release from the anxiety of what was actually happening in the episode. I really hope to continue seeing humorous "fluff" scenes interspersed with the heavy stuff in the future.

LOVE IT!!!

We know it was going to at least start out dark since the focus is going to be on the Others, which Damon already hinted at. I'm sure we'll see lighter sides of our favorite Losties and maybe get some back ground on the Others. I have a fell "Juliet" might turn. She seemed to be on edge at the beginning when the crash happened, and then the look and tone she shot "Ben" was very telling.
Can't wait for next week.

I have a feeling it's because they were previously in a relationship. Like, what he said at the beginning? "Guess I'm out of the book club" all bitterly? Aaaand I'm guessing that's going to make him have some hostility toward Jack. Just because, there seems to be something there and Juliet looks like Sarah a bit.

I thought the episode was better and more rewarding to the viewers than last year's. very promising!

Maybe it will be darker, but there were so many commercials!! :mad: Just a bit frustrating, I did like the episode though.

yeah, 3 maybe 5 mins then a commercial comes so quickly. Migh start recordeing to watch later w/o commercials or just DL to keep the interest better.

I loved the intro. it had you thinking about another flashback to find out its about the Others when the plane crashed, wich was nicely done but could have been better.

This season shouldnt be that dark but I would expect the "down the middle" approach since you're dealing with The Others.

I like when they explore the darker sides of a character - it gives more depth and interest to the characters. Sawyer is often the comic relief as he was in this ep and Jack & Juliet managed a few laughs too.

I think they're doing kind of what they did last year with just showing a few characters' fate at a time... giving more time to each set of characters and their situation. Next week we'll see a few more characters and the week after a few more, etc. As eager as I am to learn how everyone is, I do like having extra story time given to each group. Later, when I'm watching Season 3 on dvd, it'll all flow as one big story just like Season 2 flowed better as one massive dvd marathon.

Oh, I agree I think season 3 will be much, much darker. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far, but I do miss the rest of the characters.

Who else loved/hated this line?

"I wanted to give you something pleasant to hold on to, because these next two weeks are going to me very unpleasant." <--- That gave me chills

Season 3 to be darker?
I certainly hope so! I'm tired of all the lovey-dovey stuff. OK, just being a brat there, I know how many people love all the romance on the Island. But to me, the villany is so much more interesting. If I want soaps, I can get them during the day. With a drama, I want something I can...sink my teeth into. So to speak. heh.


"I wanted to give you something pleasant to hold on to, because these next two weeks are going to me very unpleasant." <--- That gave me chills

Me too! Oh yes, very creepy. And so well done.
Great acting in this ep. Like everyone else, I can't wait 'til next week!

I'm also thrilled about next week! I wanted the romance kept down, too, but then I saw the first episode, and I'm kind of changing my mind. I don't want it to be the major focus of the season, but I'm thinking that they'll handle it well. And if done right (and I have absolute faith in TPTB's ability to do that), then I think a little romance in the midst of a darker season will make it all much more exciting.

When you really look at the present situation in the 3rd season, they have no choice but to take a darker turn. More people have died, more is revealed, and more connections are made. Episodes about building golf courses won't happen anymore. Its like any good TV show or movie, they have to build up characters and plot to a point to where they actually start "solving the problem" They have no choice but to take it down deep. The honeymoon is over, now its on to the good stuff :biggrin: Plus, its the dark stuff that really takes people in, really twists the plot around.

i hope S3 is darker nothing wrong with that anyway. as for seeing the other castaways
i hear epi 2 is sun/sayid/jin/sawyer/kate/jack
so there is little chance we will get to see hurley
because he isnt supposed to make it back till epi 3 i think that is when it will return to normal

Who else loved/hated this line?

"I wanted to give you something pleasant to hold on to, because these next two weeks are going to me very unpleasant." <--- That gave me chills

I thought it was one of the best Lost lines ever. The delivery was chilling.

I loved last night episode. Very nice to know the Others are not some primitive jungle dwellers like they lead the losties (and us) believe. I hope that we get to see more of what is going on between Ben and Juliet. It seems they have some hostility towards each other. I was shocked he slammed the door on her like that when the water was rushing in, it seems he did not value her life at all. I also liked seeing evil Ethan again, that was cool. My biggest anticipation is to see how Mr. Eko, Locke and Desmond are doing.
Very dark eppy indeed.

I think it's interesting, Lady Eko, that you are happy to know the Others aren't primitive jungle dwellers. Could you say why?

I found myself outraged that they were so "civilized," because it was much harder to deal with what they were doing to J/K/S. Before I was holding onto the idea that they were themselves once subjects of the experiments of the Dharma Initiative and had somehow been pushed over the edge.

But, on the other hand, I think it is a great development for the story. I like that I was outraged. And I liked that by the end of the episode I was thinking of all the horrors that "civilized" societies have committed against other societies and animals and the environment. Everyone who commits an outrageous act has a motivation, whether I can understand it or not.

I was disappointed at first that we saw so few characters but stylistically I think it was an excellent choice. It increased the sense of isolation that you know J/K/S were feeling. They knew nothing of what was going on outside of the Other's camp and neither did we. If we would have cut to the beach or to Hurley walking back to camp you would have lost that. It added to the fear and foreboding to be as in the dark as they were.

I 100% agree. It really set the scene and was a great start to the series.

Oh I hope S3 will be even darker than S2. S2 had really dark episodes, I loved them. One of Them is for example one of my favorite, and Tale of Two Cities was brilliant too. I think romance should be kept at minimum, but that's just me.

Well I don't want it to be darker. I've had enough darkness thank you very much. I need some sunshine and light in my life..and I want the characters to stop messing around...pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start straightening themselves out.

From what I understand, the first six episodes are going to tie up the loose ends from season 2, so they won't neccessarily be as "vibrant" or "romantic" as the rest of the season. The rest of the episodes are supposed to take off in a completely different direction, and likely a different tone.

maybe they meant that everyone's gonna look really tanned....lol

I thoroughlly enjoyed TOTC....It's all I could think about for the few days after that...even when I wasn't on here I was thinking about it or trying to engage my friends in conversation about it.

I welcome the darker feel to the show but I must say I also enjoyed the not so dark moments like the little bit of interaction between Kate and Sawyer even though Kate didn't seem to say too much. TPTB are good at intersplicing the darker and lighter moments and turning those lighter moments into darker moments eg; the opening scene. It didn't seem to be darker than any other episode or season then we see Ben and things get a whole lot darker.

I found myself outraged that they were so "civilized," because it was much harder to deal with what they were doing to J/K/S. Before I was holding onto the idea that they were themselves once subjects of the experiments of the Dharma Initiative and had somehow been pushed over the edge.

But, on the other hand, I think it is a great development for the story. I like that I was outraged. And I liked that by the end of the episode I was thinking of all the horrors that "civilized" societies have committed against other societies and animals and the environment. Everyone who commits an outrageous act has a motivation, whether I can understand it or not.

I can definetly say that is was a better opening sequence than I ever could have hoped for. I understand your outrage, but as you said; it made you think about the horrors that 'civilized' society have committed. People of ALL races, cultures, classes, and upbringings have the capability to do horrendous things. I should say that this is most definetly a reflection on the events that are going on today in our world. People who live their lives a certain way; who truly believe that their way is right; will do just about anything to protect it.

A lot of it is simply based on perspective. The rest of the Losties are going to be angry and terrified when they find out about Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. And from their perspective, the Others are evil. But realize that Jack, Locke and Sayid held Benry captive, too. And they killed Ethan. And Goodwin. Granted, we now know that Benry getting caught was part of the Others' plans, but still. It doesn't do anything to help the Losties case with the Others, now does it? Really, if you look objectively at the Losties behavior, ( I know we love 'em guys, but follow me here) they have tortured, manipulated, beaten, stolen, stabbed, and killed each other since they landed on the island. Not exactly behavior becoming of the 'good guys'.

This whole show is based on perspective. What appears one way to you or I, may appear different to this or that person. What is a seemingly deplorable act by Guy A, could be considered acceptable from Guy B.

The one thing I got from this episode though, and it bothers me a lot, is how they are drawing the lines of similarity between Jack and Benry. Both have an obvious leadership position. Both obviously are obsessive when it comes to being in control. Neither is easily swayed from their positions, whatever they may be at the time. Benry is practical in his methods of dealing with situations and likes to think things about before acting. Jack could be described as the same way. The big difference I'm seeing is the amount of emotion shown from them. Jack is a highly emotionally charged individual, where as Benry is very cold and calculating. It will be interesting to see if they progress with that line of thinking.

And I have to point out that this episode totally reinforced my love of Sawyer. It was strange to watch him work at the machines, because I know it reminded a lot of people of an animal, but frankly... he reminded me of a little boy. The way he kept testing it until he found out how it worked, and his elation at getting it to work at all. Even his initial reaction to seeing Kate was very childlike. And just like that, he put that mask back up and became the smartass everyone has grown to love and hate. Perhaps, they are trying to break him down and build him back up again, as someone earlier suggested.

I personally loved this epi and I can't wait for the next one. I saw the canadian preview, and let's just say, I liked it a LOT better than the one we got here in the US.

I thought Sawyer's behavior in the cage was cringe worthy. If any of the other characters had acted that way people would have groaned but since Sawyer does it...its oh so cute. :rolleyes: That spot will be fast forwarded on my DVD. But I know that's not a popular opinion so I will accept being thrown out of the group... :D

But getting back on topic...some have speculated that Jack and Juliet will 'overthrow' the others. I wonder if perhaps Jack might , if he takes over leadership of EVERYONE... with his controlling nature become a sort of Colonel Kurtz himself? Would that be dark enough for everyone? :wink1:

And from their perspective, the Others are evil. But realize that Jack, Locke and Sayid held Benry captive, too. And they killed Ethan. And Goodwin.

I can see that but from the viewer perspective, they kept ben prisoner out of fear for him being an other, charlie killed ethan for revenge......probably brought on by fear of what he would do to claire, and with goodwin it was kill or be killed!

the losties have done some bad things..no let me rephrase that, sayid has done some bad things but they only seem to do it when backed into a corner for defence, rather than the others who go looking for trouble by trying to capture loads of the survivors

feel free to show me how wrong i am!

First of all, please don't pass judgments on all Sawyer fans or on our varying opinions on his behavior. Your statement was very general, and it's that kind of thing that keeps driving me away from this board in the first place. Frankly, I would have found it adorable as hell if Locke had done it. And probably more entertaining. Or Hurley for that matter. Some characters' personalities just don't call for that kind of behavior. (Jin, Sayid, Ana Lucia, etc) And I know that the Sawyer non-fans (since I won't call you haters) that I've talked to have certainly called him childish a few times. I personally think that this situation was simply an extention of that. He is childish. For reasons stemming from his very scarred childhood, I would imagine. I didn't ever say it was CUTE, either. Appropriate to the character, definetly. But it's far more sad than cute. Makes me feel for a guy who's so stuck in a single horrific moment in his life that he's really not had the opportunity to grow emotionally, and in some cases mentally.

*sigh* ANYWAY... about the Jack overthrowing ordeal. I think that's VERY possible. And I mentioned it earlier in another post that Jack, when he is in what I percieve to be a manic state, is very capable of getting people to follow him. Almost all leaders with devout followers (and by devout I mean REALLLLLY devout. Like Branch Dividian devout...) have suffered from some form of mental illness. Do I think Jack will get that far? Not at all. But it isn't as if he hasn't showed some signs of being slightly maniacal throughout the show. And he is very obviously a natural leader, when he believes in what he is doing. That confidence travels over and people start to believe in him. I believe that Juliet will start to believe in him. The seeds of doubt in Benry are already there. But it concerns me that that kind of power would drive Jack over this edge he's been teetering on since White Rabbit in Season 1. I guess we will have to see...

Don't mind me. As I said I know my opinions are out of the mainstream but sometimes I just have to let it out. Most people ignore me when I do that. :D

I DO agree that Jack has a manical side and at times he seems he can be dangerous. I didn't blame Sarah one bit for not telling him who the other man was. Jack wouldn't let that go in the state of mind he was in at the time..he would probably stalk the guy and call him up at all hours and do who knows what..he probably HAD to take that trip to Phuket to blow off steam and re-group.

He's not an evil man..and I don't think he would ever be 'evil'...he just has some serious issues to work out before he would be able to truly 'lead'.

I can see that but from the viewer perspective, they kept ben prisoner out of fear for him being an other, charlie killed ethan for revenge......probably brought on by fear of what he would do to claire, and with goodwin it was kill or be killed!

the losties have done some bad things..no let me rephrase that, sayid has done some bad things but they only seem to do it when backed into a corner for defence, rather than the others who go looking for trouble by trying to capture loads of the survivors

feel free to show me how wrong i am!

For one, Sayid is not the only one who's done bad things on the island. Sawyer stole the guns, Charlie helped him do it, Charlie restarted his heroin kick, Jack allowed the torturing of Sawyer even though he was against the idea, Kate tried to poison Jin and ended up poisoning Michael, (even though she was being KIND of noble in doing it for Sun... but mostly for herself), Charlie killed Ethan, Michael killed Ana and Libby, Kate has repeatedly manipulated people for her own gain. Charlie didn't do many of his bad deeds in defense of his own life. Neither did Kate. Or Sawyer. Or Sayid. Or Jack. The only person who has a semblance of an excuse for their actions is Michael, and I don't know that there is an excuse for killing anyone who isn't trying to kill you.

I think if anything, this show has proven you can't judge a book by its cover and even seemingly good people do bad things. I don't think it's fair to only apply that to the Losties, is all. I think the same should be applied to the Others.

My whole point is, they want you to see ALL sides of it. Not just the viewer's perspective. (which I percieve to be the Losties perspective), but from the Other's perspective as well. They want to you see all sides of the story, to get the big picture.
100%
LOL, I understand, elfdream. Please just understand that I tend to feel constantly under attack for my affinity for Sawyer. I really am just intigued by the complexity of the character, and not his hiney. Ok, not JUST his hiney. LOL

I don't think Jack is evil, either. By ANY means. He truly has the best of intentions, and in his mind is constantly trying to do the right thing. I just get concerned that Jack goes from trying to do the right thing to trying to make everyone ELSE do the right thing. There is a big leap there that concerns me a LOT. It makes Juliet's comment about free will all that more interesting to me. Jack is in some kind of mindframe where he believes that everyone should do as he does. Some of it is based in reality, like helping Charlie kick his heroin habit. Some of it, though, is based in serious irrationality: i.e. - His whole army concept. He thought it was a great idea and assumed that enough people would agree to build said army. It was utterly irrational to think that enough people would think it was a great idea to start some sort of guerilla army with no idea of who they were fighting or exactly what they were fighting for.

I seriously do believe he is suffering from some form of bi-polar disorder. It may not be severe (I suffer from a mild case of it myself), but he has shown a TON of symptoms. He just makes me concerned. I seem to use that word a lot in association with Jack.

just wanted to say I thought the episode was flawless....J/S/K were all fun to watch!!! and ofcourse Benry and the Others were pretty darn cool as well... can't wait 4 the next episode!!!!

I love-love-love-loved it.
The new scenery is spectacular.. the old rusty cages, the abandonned "zoo" feeling with nature taking over. All those old buildings, railings... perfect setting for a darker season.

I keep being amazed at how much subplots/flashback the team can pull from their characters, and how it affects their personalities.

However I am not sure how Rodrigo Santoro is going to fit in the season, I remember him as a beautiful surfer or posh Londonian... I'm curious to see how they are going to integrate a new "hottie" in the storyline.

Overall this episode was a great beginning, I can't wait to see the other losties, and oh my Benry is one great villain!

"A Tale of Two Cities" was an extremely dark episode, with an overall eerie and sad tone. Do you think that's gonna be the case of the rest of this season?

While I really enjoyed the episode, I think that limiting it on the three main characters was kinda strange... but maybe I'm just missing Hurley...:rolleyes:

Actually, TPTB said season three would be lighter, because season two was so dark....

Although the first episode was dark, it kept introducing the love triangle theme between the 3 main characters. I think season 3 is moving in the direction of love being the character's hope of rescue, rather than escaping the island like in previous seasons. I therefore think this season, although dark at times, will have a different message and tone to it than other seaosns.

Lighter season? Oh... that episode kinda made me think it would be dark, maybe not as dark as the 2nd season, but close.
Can't wait either way

Lighter season? Oh... that episode kinda made me think it would be dark, maybe not as dark as the 2nd season, but close.
Can't wait either way

Yeah......I'm thinking that the mini-season will have that 'dark' feeling, but main part of the season will have a lighter feel.

Well I don't want it to be darker. I've had enough darkness thank you very much. I need some sunshine and light in my life..and I want the characters to stop messing around...pull themselves up by their bootstraps and start straightening themselves out.

I know, I'm frankly quite sick of the darkness and unanswered heaviness of the whole thing right now.

Let's let things be at least a bit like they used to be. Now it's just all about things we don't know or don't understand.

It was like the Very Special Episode of Lost.
:rotflmao2:

...but there were so many commercials!! :mad:
At one point I counted nine commercials after six minutes of sequence. I won't even bother with ABC, I'll complain to advertisers. Not cool!

But to me, the villany is so much more interesting.
Yes, yes, and yes! To the darkness (very well done), the veneer of insanity over everything now, to the simple country boy and his biscuit! :p

I know, I'm frankly quite sick of the darkness and unanswered heaviness of the whole thing right now.

Let's let things be at least a bit like they used to be. Now it's just all about things we don't know or don't understand.


Finally..someone else who sees the 'light'. I was begining to worry about all these darkness loving fusies around here. :D

Finally..someone else who sees the 'light'. I was begining to worry about all these darkness loving fusies around here. :D


I agree. I would like for the Lostaways to begin making progress again in their moral development (after the almost universal regression we saw last season) and to have SOME happy times to balance all their suffering.

With the lighter feel to the season, I'm assuming there will at least be one major romance story throughout the season... What do you guys think, Sawyer/Kate perhaps? It would be interesting to have Other/Lostie too (as far as now, Juliet/Jack...)

I'm still wondering how they're going to deal with:
The Monster
Hurley's mental state (and Libby in that asylum?!)
Rousseau

Whatever feel they are going with, it's a shame indeed to be interrupted by so many ads. It's like Days of our Lives or something. I rewatched Season 1 & 2 on DVD and the atmosphere/story made so much more sense to me.

A lot of it is simply based on perspective. The rest of the Losties are going to be angry and terrified when they find out about Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. And from their perspective, the Others are evil. But realize that Jack, Locke and Sayid held Benry captive, too. And they killed Ethan. And Goodwin. Granted, we now know that Benry getting caught was part of the Others' plans, but still. It doesn't do anything to help the Losties case with the Others, now does it? Really, if you look objectively at the Losties behavior, ( I know we love 'em guys, but follow me here) they have tortured, manipulated, beaten, stolen, stabbed, and killed each other since they landed on the island. Not exactly behavior becoming of the 'good guys'.

This whole show is based on perspective. What appears one way to you or I, may appear different to this or that person. What is a seemingly deplorable act by Guy A, could be considered acceptable from Guy B.


I definitely agree with all of this. What's interesting to me is that, because the Others were introduced so slowly, we as viewers see everything from the perspectives of the Lostites for 2 whole seasons. Even with all we got of Benry last season, we never really saw his perspective because he was lying and staying guarded the whole time. I feel like a part of their group, because I've spent more time with them. It's hard to imagine ever sympathizing with the Others, but clearly some of them are already being written as sympathetic.

To me, one of the main themes of the show is becoming moral ambiguity or the relativity of evil, both of which are really important themes to discuss in our current political climate.

ITA LostKitty! Sawyer's one liners are always good for a chuckle! He kept the whole episode from being way too dark.....

I keep hearing everyone say that it seems darker it seems darker, I sorry but I disagree. Judging the overall show it is by far my favorite, but I really haven't witness a true darkness to the show yet. OF course there have been seens of completely showing the darker side of a character particularly Michael what he did to convince J/H/K/S to come with him to the village is by far the darkest thing done on the island. What I don't understand is how noone is making any references here to the whole desmond situation he may very well hold the key to the whole show. With the way his love interest was alerted about the whole meltdown.

What I don't understand is how noone is making any references here to the whole desmond situation he may very well hold the key to the whole show. With the way his love interest was alerted about the whole meltdown.

I agree, but most likely we won't learn anything else about this for at least 5 or six episodes if not more.

For example:I realized last night when I watched "Numbers" with a newbie friend of mine that I forgot all about how Hurley got the numbers from crazy Lenny who heard them with Sam Tooney(?) on a broadcast from the island 16 years ago. We still don't know who made this broadcast and what it means exactly. And that was in the first season.

Unless I'm forgetting something. I'm assuming it was the Others. But why broadcast the numbers?

Now i know we all loved season one, and season two was a letdown to most with a few exceptions. Now i know its hard to pinpoint what was exactly great about season one, it just felt beautiful, but i think part of that was the sense of fear in alot of the episodes. Aswell as the mystical element which seems to be slowly coming back into season three with John Locke at it's side, and we all want that feeling back.

So i was especially glad to see the preview for next episode, which i wont detail because it's a spoiler, but it seemed damn scary. I know some people might think it seems stupid, but i think this new season needs a kick start adrenaline rush, and a truly scary moment to get back to, or close to what season one had. You know, the actual fear of stepping into the jungle. I really hope it continues with what looks like a good episode coming up, and hopefully the element of fear will be restored into this season, because it wasn't there in season two at all. Who else is glad about this?

I think fear is a good reaction to things which are so uncertain that you are afraid of them. Like in season 1, when you first learn Ethan was not on the plane, and he is just stood staring at Claire with Charlie... I found that really kind of chilling because you're like 'wha? What the hell is he going to do?' and it sends your head spinning. Now with much of the story, you at least know people aren't going to be flesh-eating zombies, or ghosts etc, so some of the elements of the imagination have been limited, so it can be less frightening sometimes. Adding in something to be genuinely afraid of, I think that's a good move (though I have no clue about the next episode yet, so don't know what this might be). I don't mind it not being as nerve-racking though. I find the mystery of the 'others', especially Ben, to be intriguing, even though I am not frightened. Also, many of the other mysteries no longer have me worried or scared, but I still think they're awesome. I don't think this show needs really frightening aspects, but they are cool if they are there.

Yeh chrysander i remember that Ethan scene: "Jack its Ethan! He's not on the manifest!" *Cue big FAT chill down my spine. I loved how that scene made me feel, we need more of that in LOST man! Do you remember at the end of the "Numbers" episode, when the numbers were insribed on the hatch, and it started to zoom in, with that scary music, another spine chiller right there! I loved how LOST used to do that! Yeh i agree its not needed for LOST to be a good show, but its makes for a better viewing experience, especially with headphones on!

The thing is though you can't have those 'spine chilling' surprises with every single episode. The writers would have to keep topping themselves and it would reach the point of outrageous after a while...plus the fact that it would get a bit exhausting for BOTH the writers and the audience. Some episodes that give us time to sit back and breathe and reflect on what just happened are needed as well.

Yeh i agree you cant do it every episode, but i cant remember an instance of this spine chilling tension in season two, so i think we're long overdue to be honest. I can only hope the next episode will be darker than previous, i thought the last episode whilst cool, got a little stupid with the hairspray thing. Plus when they showed the imploded hatch, they showed it for like a second and then Locke said "lets go" or something, then they heard a polar bear. They could have introduced that WAY better *thinks back to when they revealed the black rock, now that was dramatic! They could have done a similar thing this time and my jaw would have dropped. Infact they could have handled the whole cave scene better as well, it was all over a bit too quick for my liking.