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From USAToday.com (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-10-03-lost-premiere-main_x.htm), October 2006:
Like so much on Lost, the newcomer's name is no coincidence. Shakespeare's Juliet, one of literature's greatest romantic figures, fell in love with a handsome member of an opposing clan.

Already conceptualizing a long run for Juliet, Cuse says, "It will be really compelling when we get her first flashback story and find out who she was off the island."
{Matthew Fox} is looking forward to seeing whether Jack and Juliet evolve into a great love story.

"The circumstances in which these two people meet are far from romantic," he says. "But what she brings into Jack's world creates an interesting vibration."
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I absolutely loved Juliet, and loved her scenes with Jack...Matthew Fox and Elizabeth Mitchell actually had some awesome chemistry!

I'd love to see these two actually team up and fight the Others. And even if they're not meant to be a romantic pairing (which, honestly, would be a real shame!), then maybe they'll take down the Dharma gang!

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Gads, the reply functions are slow loading. I loved the interaction. "Juliet" is so soft with him for lack of a better word right now. Unless she's playing him, she does seem to not get along to well with Ben, (hard calling him Ben and not Fenery) so maybe that's how the relationship might start. She seems drawn to him. I thought the whole interaction was sweet considering.

I thought Juliet was strong and kind. Jack needs that right now. Wasn't MF's acting incredible!!

I thought Juliet was strong and kind. Jack needs that right now. Wasn't MF's acting incredible!!
He really did a great job...this was the first episode in a loooooooong time (since S1, probably!) where Jack didn't annoy me, and I was actually liking him again! He did get a little creepy, playing obsessive-stalker guy for a few minutes there...but definite progress was made by the end, when he simply wanted to know whether Sarah was happy. He understood that, ultimately, that was all that mattered. Now he can put that chapter of his life behind him, and can open a new one...hopefully by learning to trust Juliet!

Juliet is awesome, I could actually stand Jack in those scenes. Elizabeth Mitchell is just superb!

I am a Jacket shipper all the way!

I can definitely get on board this ship! The chemistry between Jack & Juliet is ABSOLUTELY there. I could totally see them teaming up to bring down the Others. In fact, that's what I WANT to see!
I hope the writers explore that connection further.

I loved the interaction! I found myself totally engaged with Jack for the first time since epi one. I just about deconstructed when they put their heads together on each side of the glass. This is one ship I could definitely sail on!

I can definitely get on board this ship! The chemistry between Jack & Juliet is ABSOLUTELY there. I could totally see them teaming up to bring down the Others. In fact, that's what I WANT to see!
I hope the writers explore that connection further.
Definitely!

I hope that this relationship can become what Jate never quite did. Chemistry is SO important between actors, and I just never felt it between Foxy and Evie.

But in the scene last night, when Juliet lay her hand against the glass, and Jack leaned down, looking into her face...I was hooked! Foxy and EM have some GREAT potential!! :wub:

So is this now officially a sailing ship?

Count me in! I was blown away by both the actors. If Matt is going to get an Emmy out of Lost, I think this is the episode that might do it. He and EM play really well off each other, and the result was strong, beautifully nuanced A+ performances by both.

Juliet seems like a really good complement to Jack. She's calm and soft-spoken, whereas he's always speedy and intense. She's his equal - intellectually, socially and professionally, and I've always thought that was a necessary element for Jack. She's got a way of making him laugh too, even in the least likely circumstances. She's strong, insightful, complex - and they have amazing chemistry on screen. I was hoping for some, but they have it en masse!

Jacket - warm and comfortable, but also elegant and stylish. That's how I see the potential in this couple.

Please count me in!!!
I LOVED the interaction between Juliet and Jack, although it is quite possible that she is playing him (by orders from Benry), I have a feeling that she is more emotional and actually tried to reach through to Jack.

So is this now officially a sailing ship?
As far as I'm concerned, yes, definitely! I'd much rather see Jack with Juliet, than Kate, or Sarah, or any other woman on the show.

LOVED the scene where Juliet knocked him out, then gently lifted him out of the water and cradled his head. It was so obvious that she was loathe to hurt him, just to "subdue" him, but it was necessary, until he learns to trust her...

Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) and Jack (Matt Fox) absolutley made this episode, I was actually looking forward to the next Jack scene for the first time in the series. His character development in the final scene of the episode, where he asked if Sarah was happy, was a defining point of the series and I am so glad that Juliet was there to nuture him through it.
I am really looking forward to tension between Juliet and Ben (Michael Emerson) about how to deal with Jack. (Theorising). I really want Juliet to usurp Ben, he can across as very arogant in this episode and I was so annoyed where he was going to leave Juliet to her death.

This episode is my tied 2nd Favourite after "Two for the Road".

When she lifted his head out of the water, I was going "awww." This is the first time ever that I wasn't going for coffee during Jack's scenes. LOL.

Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) and Jack (Matt Fox) absolutley made this episode,
They totally did. I gotta admit, initially I was bummed that the first episode was Jack-centric...I just don't "dig" Jack so much. But the scenes between he and Juliet were riveting!

Count me in.

Finally Jack has a woman to interact with who can stand toe to toe to him. Face him square on and not be intimidated by him, and yet still have that compassion and empathy going on as well.

I almost would say she's his good bedside manner he's been lacking all these years. :biggrin:

I think she's playing him in the sense that she is doing her job, as an Other to break and mold him to whatever plan they have. However, I also think there are genuine feelings of concern for him, despite herself.

Obviously she does not seem totally on the same page with Benry and I figure she is probably part of some splinter faction within the Other group who are tired of the way things are going. Just a hunch.

Hopefully the adversarial nature of Jacket's first encounter will grow into something more trusting and deep. We can only wait and see.

However, wow. I never thought I'd see the day when Jack had some hot chemistry with another gal. But we did. And I hope the PTB milk it for all it is worth.

I loved loved LOVED Juliet. And for the first time in a long time, I loved Jack too. I hope to see many more scenes shared by the two of them. Sign me up! :)

Finally Jack has a woman to interact with who can stand toe to toe to him. Face him square on and not be intimidated by him, and yet still have that compassion and empathy going on as well.

I almost would say she's his good bedside manner he's been lacking all these years. :biggrin:

I think she's playing him in the sense that she is doing her job, as an Other to break and mold him to whatever plan they have. However, I also think there are genuine feelings of concern for him, despite herself.

Obviously she does not seem totally on the same page with Benry and I figure she is probably part of some splinter faction within the Other group who are tired of the way things are going. Just a hunch.

Hopefully the adversarial nature of Jacket's first encounter will grow into something more trusting and deep. We can only wait and see.

However, wow. I never thought I'd see the day when Jack had some hot chemistry with another gal. But we did. And I hope the PTB milk it for all it is worth.

Couldn't agree more. Especially about Juliet being more Jack's equal. She showed no signs of intimidation by Jack's yelling. I loved the line she shot at him when he asked her if she was a doctor,"No, I'm a Repo Woman." THIS IS THE WOMAN JACK HAS BEEN WAITING FOR!! She has some qualities that Kate has except I think that Juliet is more confident in who she is than Kate is. It seems to me that Kate has always felt inferior to Jack and Juliet does not portray any of that. I think Juliet is Jack's equal as Kate is Sawyer's equal. It just makes sense! Just my opinion.

I'm feeling it. ;) I love Jack, and I want him to have some romance, but I never thought he and Kate would work that well together. She would always feel like she's not good enough for him, and he would end up disappointed in her again. But Juliet seems like a good match for him. Like others have said, they seem more equal then Jack and Kate.

And I really liked Juliet. She went straight to no. 3 on my favorite character list. :biggrin: I hope we find out more about her soon.

DARN! You beat me to it. I was going to call it JET though.

Oh, and count me in!

DARN! You beat me to it. I was going to call it JET though.

I was going to call it Juliack. :10: Guess it's a good thing I waited.

DARN! You beat me to it. I was going to call it JET though.

Oh, and count me in!
Heee, "Jet" would work, too!

Welcome aboard, everyone!

ETA: should we take a poll on the name? So far, we've got "Jacket", "Jet" and "Juliack"...thoughts?

JET. :biggrin: I think this should be a ship.

But, anyway. I'm creating a slew of Juliet icons. None feature Jack yet. :P

I sort of like Jet. But Jacket is okay too. Just not Juliack.

ETA: should we take a poll on the name? So far, we've got "Jacket", "Jet" and "Juliack"...thoughts?
Definitely Jacket. It's cute. ;)

I loved Juliet, and agree with all you said above! Still no clue if she is a smooth operator or not, would she turn sides or not, but she has great potential what character development is concerned!

And actually made Jack likable, what was the mission impossible so far :biggrin:

Count me in!

I am so excited! S3 looks really good right now!

I liked Juliet, but I think it's a bit too early to start with the chemistry stuff, although I could see them as a potential couple if she turns out not to be evil. She's more Jack's equal intellectually, she is on the same maturity level, probably have similar life experiences as far as experiencing life goes (not talking about wealth, influence or power), definitely closer in age and she doesn't seem to bring out his need to coddle/protect...........yet. He shouldn't trust her just yet though, she's obviously "at the moment" got an ulterior motive.

I do think that suggesting that the character of Jack just all of the sudden became interesting last night is a bit of a stretch, not to mention a tad insulting to the writers. He's been interesting since day one, you just had to be paying attention, focusing on what was going on with him. Last night's character has been there all along, they just added one more layer to the many layers he already has.

As for being likeable, I guess if you don't like nice guys that are always putting the needs of others ahead of their own then you wouldn't like Jack and I didn't see anything last night that should've changed that view.

Oh, an no I do not wish to ship this couple so please don't add my name to that list. I just like to enjoy LOST and don't really care who ends up boffing who in the jungle.

Stick with Jacket (although Juliack was my first thought too, I must say :redface: ).

I vote Jacket. It's cute, and I like the idea of 'wearing' it. Hehhe.

I agree that its a bit early but ships have been started on much less. I've seen them started with a look and three lines of dialogue. :D

Don't add me to the list yet either as I'm content to wait and see...although this is a relationship I would be completely comfortable with.

I like Jacket as well. It is a cute name.

Okay, I can live with Jacket. LOL

What do you think of my Juliet avatar?

Lucky number thirteen? I think this pairing is awesome. I'm not usually one for Jack but i liked him last night! All them Montagues and Capulets.

Sign me up. I absolutely loved EM in the premiere, and it's the first time I've seen a character who has real chemistry with Jack.

umm can i be a jater and a jacket at the sametime? if so sign me up, i loved them

just posted a bunch of jack/juliet icons here (http://laura4lad.livejournal.com/58100.html#cutid1)

Oh, they're awesome! I should post mine too. LOL. I was kinda waiting for a Juliet gallery, though.

Wow, Juliet icons. That was fast! Way to go, guys.

Oh, they're awesome! I should post mine too. LOL. I was kinda waiting for a Juliet gallery, though.


i'd like to see them, please link when you have them up somewhere

Check em out here (http://www.freewebs.com/sjb121590/lostavatars.htm). I even pushed em up. Some I like, some I don't. But, I'll show em anyway.

Check em out here (http://www.freewebs.com/sjb121590/lostavatars.htm). I even pushed em up. Some I like, some I don't. But, I'll show em anyway.

lovely, i love the animated ones..saving grilled cheese, will credit when i use it on livejournal

lovely, i love the animated ones..saving grilled cheese, will credit when i use it on livejournal

LOL. Thanks. I'm sjb121590 there too. :biggrin: I need to find a use for your avatars as well. I love 'em.

I will be happy to post here from time to time. I think they've found a winner for Jack!

Of course, SHE needs to move from just manipulating him for The Others' plans to being personally attracted to him. But I think she is a caring person; and she clearly does care about Jack (whatever her current motivations). It will be a joy to watch this relationship develop!

Whoo! I want in. I'm a Skater first and foremost, but I can definitely get behind this Jacket thing. :)

liked Juliet, but I think it's a bit too early to start with the chemistry stuff, although I could see them as a potential couple if she turns out not to be evil. She's more Jack's equal intellectually, she is on the same maturity level, probably have similar life experiences as far as experiencing life goes (not talking about wealth, influence or power), definitely closer in age and she doesn't seem to bring out his need to coddle/protect...........yet. He shouldn't trust her just yet though, she's obviously "at the moment" got an ulterior motive.

I do think that suggesting that the character of Jack just all of the sudden became interesting last night is a bit of a stretch, not to mention a tad insulting to the writers. He's been interesting since day one, you just had to be paying attention, focusing on what was going on with him. Last night's character has been there all along, they just added one more layer to the many layers he already has.

As for being likeable, I guess if you don't like nice guys that are always putting the needs of others ahead of their own then you wouldn't like Jack and I didn't see anything last night that should've changed that view.

Oh, an no I do not wish to ship this couple so please don't add my name to that list. I just like to enjoy LOST and don't really care who ends up boffing who in the jungle.

I think its strange how you can call Juliet evil, especially when you consider that Jack STALKED his ex-wife and sent his dad on a RELAPSE. Jack has just been annoying before, but the difference here was that Jack couldn't get his own way and when he tried to he almost died.

I think its strange how you can call Juliet evil, especially when you consider that Jack STALKED his ex-wife and sent his dad on a RELAPSE. Jack has just been annoying before, but the difference here was that Jack couldn't get his own way and when he tried to he almost died.
THANK YOU, Passport! I was beginning to think I was all alone. . . .

Jack's got a long journey ahead of him, to get free of his "dark side." Once the initial "hazing" of J/J/K is over, I hope he and Juliet can get to know each other better. She can help him--personally and professionally. And their mutual hate of Benry should make for a great foundation to build on, don't ya think?

I do think that suggesting that the character of Jack just all of the sudden became interesting last night is a bit of a stretch, not to mention a tad insulting to the writers. He's been interesting since day one, you just had to be paying attention, focusing on what was going on with him. Last night's character has been there all along, they just added one more layer to the many layers he already has.

Um, that's subjective. Different viewers find different things interesting. Obviously some of the layers that got revealed in the premiere struck a chord with viewers when they didn't before. Please don't say we haven't been paying attention. I liked Jack in season one on the whole, and disliked him on the whole in season two. I am hoping that I get to like him again, and there were things in the Premiere that made me sympathise for his situation more than in the past. *shrugs*

In any case, I am not necessarily seeing instant romance for Jack and Juliet, but I am noticing a connection, and a spark that has been missing for me when I saw the stuff with Kate (which on the whole makes me snooze or annoyed). It's early days yet, but I do think that Juliet appears to have an inner strength and centred quality which could be just the kind of balm to help soothe Jack's inner turmoil and doubt about himself. JMO. Even if nothing happens but they join forces against Benry and foil his plans, it will be a great development I think.

While I was amused by Juliet, I do not see the chemistry as of yet. Nor do I think he would just let go of Kate that easily. I think this was too soon guys. Not saying it may or may not happen, but come on. We only saw one episode and they already have a ship. Nice try at pushing Jack with Juliet so Sawyer can "have" Kate to himself. I'm not surprised this was started, just at how soon. If there was more to their meeting I might consider it as a temporary "vacation" away from Kate.

Well, it's not as if we are doing anything. We can't push Jack at Juliet any more than you can push Kate at Jack. It's the writers who hold that kind of power, and not much we can do about it. I'm hopeful they will continue to build upon the great foundation they established in this first episode. It's not just us, some media snippets show they may also be similarly impressed by the character and her possible future relations with Jack:

For the record, "Juliet" is veteran actress (if-not-exactly-household name) Elizabeth Mitchell ("Santa Claus 2") and probably better known to longtime fans of "ER" than anyone else (she had a semi-prominent role on the show a few seasons ago.) But that's so much water under the bridge - or, per last night, so much water through the hatch. What really counts is that she's now become just one more prominent reason why "Lost" is the most intriguing, most unique, most compulsively watchable show on the small screen. To witness her sinuous, seductive entreaties through that invisible barrier - come on, Jack, PLEASE eat - was to also feel the plight of the "Lost" fan. We are trapped within this gorgeous seductive world too. There is no escape. We must also eat but realize that whatever we are given will never be quite enough. The gnawing hunger remains. Thanks a million, Juliet. And thanks "Lost."
–Newsday.com

A lovely member of the Others (new cast member Elizabeth Mitchell) approached Jack in his cell. Growing more and more agitated, Jack sparred with the calm, comforting Juliet.
"You can trust me, Jack," she told him. "I'm not going to hurt you."
"What the hell is going on here?" he asked through the glass wall separating them.
Probably romance, in their future. –Fox News

Welcome to all the new folks!!! And thank you for the icons, they're LOVELY!!

We only saw one episode and they already have a ship. Nice try at pushing Jack with Juliet so Sawyer can "have" Kate to himself. I'm not surprised this was started, just at how soon. If there was more to their meeting I might consider it as a temporary "vacation" away from Kate.
Um...that's not quite what we're doing? Jack doesn't seem to need "pushing" in any particular direction. If he wants Kate, he'll fight for Kate. And if she chooses Sawyer (which, I believe that's the direction the writers are going), then Jack will need and deserve a new love interest. Why not Juliet? Classic story...two star-crossed members of opposing "families", falling in love and bridging the gap. No "pushing" required. :)

Well, it's not as if we are doing anything. We can't push Jack at Juliet any more than you can push Kate at Jack.
(While I don't want this thread to turn into a "Jacket versus Jate versus Skate" discussion...) Well said!

While I was amused by Juliet, I do not see the chemistry as of yet. Nor do I think he would just let go of Kate that easily. I think this was too soon guys. Not saying it may or may not happen, but come on. We only saw one episode and they already have a ship. Nice try at pushing Jack with Juliet so Sawyer can "have" Kate to himself. I'm not surprised this was started, just at how soon. If there was more to their meeting I might consider it as a temporary "vacation" away from Kate.

This is perhaps the most amusing thing I have read today.

i) The chemistry between these two actors was fantastic, much better than the chemistry between Kate and Sawyer later in the episode. (No offense intended to Skaters, I am very proSKATE and they normally have good chemistry.)

ii) I am amused that you are insulting us starting this thread after only 1 episode. So I assume that you weren't a Jater after the first episode, because that is far too early to start shipping them [/sarcasm]. Anyway ships have been started on far less:
Mibby, Chana and Desnny being prime examples.

iii) Your comment about pushing really made my day, has anyone ever read as much garbage? We ship the couple because we like the couple together, not because we are Skaters.

I can't decide whether your post was tongue-in-cheek or not.

We ship the couple because we like the couple together, not because we are Skaters.
Thank you. I was surprised to find out that I was shipping Jack/Juliet because I wanted Sawyer to have Kate to himself, because as far as I could remember, I have no interest whatsoever in Skate.

I ship characters that I think are interesting and fun together. For me personally it doesn't need to have much basis in what would be realistic, how great their chances of getting together are, or even shared screen time. :rolleyes: My only other ship was Chana and obviously that one was a hopeless cause from the beginning, but does it matter? It was also quite the party ship and a whole lot of fun.

I like Jack, I like Juliet, I greatly enjoyed their interaction and hope to see more of it. That's plenty to base a ship on as far as I'm concerned.

While I was amused by Juliet, I do not see the chemistry as of yet. Nor do I think he would just let go of Kate that easily. I think this was too soon guys. Not saying it may or may not happen, but come on. We only saw one episode and they already have a ship. Nice try at pushing Jack with Juliet so Sawyer can "have" Kate to himself. I'm not surprised this was started, just at how soon. If there was more to their meeting I might consider it as a temporary "vacation" away from Kate.
I don't think it's surprising that many people looked at her in that light right off the bat. Was there a shipping thread for Jack/Ana last year? I never even thought of looking. The fact that I'm in this thread has nothing to do with whether I prefer Skate to Jate. I just really liked the interactions of these two characters... intelligence, humor, real emotion. I think this was Matthew's Fox's best performance yet in the series, and part of that (for any actor) comes from playing opposite a strong acting partner. I thought Elizabeth Mitchell's performance was strong and complex, and that Juliet's calm and soft-spoken manner makes a good complement to Jack's intense and speedier style. By all means, ship whomever you like, but I don't think anyone has the right to tell other people what they think or why... especially in a thread that exists for people who DO like the couple.

Um, that's subjective. Different viewers find different things interesting. Obviously some of the layers that got revealed in the premiere struck a chord with viewers when they didn't before. Please don't say we haven't been paying attention. I liked Jack in season one on the whole, and disliked him on the whole in season two. I am hoping that I get to like him again, and there were things in the Premiere that made me sympathise for his situation more than in the past. *shrugs*

In any case, I am not necessarily seeing instant romance for Jack and Juliet, but I am noticing a connection, and a spark that has been missing for me when I saw the stuff with Kate (which on the whole makes me snooze or annoyed). It's early days yet, but I do think that Juliet appears to have an inner strength and centred quality which could be just the kind of balm to help soothe Jack's inner turmoil and doubt about himself. JMO. Even if nothing happens but they join forces against Benry and foil his plans, it will be a great development I think.

It is so well put, I thank you for wording it so well.

Don't think that the whole world (the whole show) turns around Jate or Skate. I personally am bored by this triangle and it was about time to bring in some new blood. Juliet is everything that Ana Lucia could not be, she is Jack's equal. And there is so much potential for their relationship, whatever that may become: friendship, love, hate, alllies or enemies.

I think this was Matthew's Fox's best performance yet in the series, and part of that (for any actor) comes from playing opposite a strong acting partner. I thought Elizabeth Mitchell's performance was strong and complex, and that Juliet's calm and soft-spoken manner makes a good complement to Jack's intense and speedier style.
TOTALLY agree. This is what hooked me immediately...Juliet's calming, soothing way with Jack. He was ranting and yelling, and she never even raised her voice. Both Foxy and EM played their scenes together perfectly!

Well...I don't know. I think, indirectly, I DO ship Jacket because I am a Skater. I want Sawyer and Kate together, I think they have great chemistry, much more so than Kate and Jack. I want Jack to focus his attention on someone else so Sawyer and Kate can focus on each other. I thought last season, maybe he could be with Ana Lucia, but that wouldn't have worked out. The introduction of Juliet was perfect for me...She is calm and balanced. She can clearly tolerate Jack's stubbornness, and may be a perfect "sedative" for his personality. However, she can clearly hold her own (as we saw when she punched Jack). I've never really liked Jack's character, and I think he has gotten more extreme as the show has gone on. I already really like Juliet, and the possibilities that I see for her helping to change Jack's character. So it isn't just because I am a skater that I like Jacket, but that, I believe, made me much more open to this ship than if I were a jater.

Well...I don't know. I think, indirectly, I DO ship Jacket because I am a Skater. I want Sawyer and Kate together, I think they have great chemistry, much more so than Kate and Jack. I want Jack to focus his attention on someone else so Sawyer and Kate can focus on each other. I thought last season, maybe he could be with Ana Lucia, but that wouldn't have worked out. The introduction of Juliet was perfect for me...She is calm and balanced. She can clearly tolerate Jack's stubbornness, and may be a perfect "sedative" for his personality. However, she can clearly hold her own (as we saw when she punched Jack). I've never really liked Jack's character, and I think he has gotten more extreme as the show has gone on. I already really like Juliet, and the possibilities that I see for her helping to change Jack's character. So it isn't just because I am a skater that I like Jacket, but that, I believe, made me much more open to this ship than if I were a jater.

LOL. I'm a JATER. I can hope for that relationship, but I am in love with this ship as well. In love with it from three months ago when I first heard of Juliet and thought she and Jack should get together. :roflmao:

But Sawyer can have Kate as long as Jack gets Juliet. But that doesn't mean I can still hope. :rolleyes:

i dont ship on kate at all, so honestly i dont see the point of that opinion. I too think Juliet has such a calm demeanour plus she listens to downtown!

i dont ship on kate at all, so honestly i dont see the point of that opinion. I too think Juliet has such a calm demeanour plus she listens to downtown!

And she reads Stephen King!

((That's the next of his books I'm gonna read just because it was on Lost. :biggrin: ))

And she reads Stephen King!

((That's the next of his books I'm gonna read just because it was on Lost. :biggrin: ))
:biggrin:

I gotta admit, I'm guilty of that as well!

It is so well put, I thank you for wording it so well.

Don't think that the whole world (the whole show) turns around Jate or Skate. I personally am bored by this triangle and it was about time to bring in some new blood. Juliet is everything that Ana Lucia could not be, she is Jack's equal. And there is so much potential for their relationship, whatever that may become: friendship, love, hate, alllies or enemies.

How can you say Julliet is Jacks equal we know nothing about her.

I have not figured out how to multi quote as of yet, so apologies. My post was not tounge - n - cheek. I was just pointing out how quickly this ship was created. If there are those that wish to join, I wish them well. I don't deny there was "something" between Juliet and Jack, and I do not want to make this a ugly arguement. I did want to voice my thoughts, I have done so. I wait to see what will happen before making any rash decisions. My humble apologies for rattling the ship. I understand that the majority of the Jacket shippers are SKaters. No one can deny anyone the right to join or start a fan base for a couple or any actor. I respect that. Not backtracking, just think it was a tad bit quick. I know not of Ana and when or if a thread/ship was started as I have just recently joined this site.

I am not a Jater or Skater. In fact, the "'ships" are the least interesting part of the show for me. However, I love Jack and Juliet together, and I don't just mean as a couple. MF and EM have amazing chemistry on-screen and the fact that that was apparent after having seen just one episode speaks highly of them, IMHO. I don't really care whether or not they end up romantically linked, but I do looked forward to many many more shared scenes.

Jakespear, thank you for your comments.

lh89, my intention in starting this thread was for people to talk about their like of and hopes for the Jack/Juliet dynamic, without having to defend it...and your question/comment made me feel like I was on the defensive. So, sorry if I don't engage in a debate with you on that one. :smile:

MF and EM have amazing chemistry on-screen and the fact that that was apparent after having seen just one episode speaks highly of them, IMHO. I don't really care whether or not they end up romantically linked, but I do looked forward to many many more shared scenes.
Me too! It'll be interesting to watch Juliet's feelings for Jack develop. Initially, she is assigned to him, he's her "project", it's her job to get to him. But as she (hopefully!) begins to develop a deeper, emotional attachment to him (and him to her), and their trust builds, her own conflict within herself, and with the Others, will be fun to watch!

I have an idea - let's talk more about the show.

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I think its strange how you can call Juliet evil, especially when you consider that Jack STALKED his ex-wife and sent his dad on a RELAPSE. Jack has just been annoying before, but the difference here was that Jack couldn't get his own way and when he tried to he almost died.

Sounds more like another Jack bashing thread to me. And while I to have a preference, to call any one of these people a "couple" with anyone else, is premature on ALL accounts. I did like Juliet and I think she is the key to helping all three of them escape. And as far as Jack "sending his dad on a relapse" - ummm, he didn't tie his dad down and MAKE him drink - an alcoholic will blame everyone else for their probelms except for himself. And Jack didn't do any STALKING - if my Husband was cheating, I would want to know with who also and I would find out. Still sounds more like another ship for some and Jack bashing for others. Call it "Jacket", but at least make it and keep it that.

I have an idea - let's talk more about the show

e-sp

I prefer "Jackliet" myself.

*passes over a barf bag* Okay done? Then why not actually talk about Jack/Juliet since you want to talk about the show? :rolleyes:

In terms of equality, I think people are picking up the fact that Juliet seems to have enough self esteem to be confident of her own abilities and stand toe to toe with Jack. She doesn't have to be hard like Ana in order to be strong and stand her ground. She held her own with Jack, and met him as an equal. Kate on the other hand is a prime example of a person who has looked up to and admired Jack to the point of idolisation which has done NOTHING for her own self esteem. There is an imbalance of power in that pairing, unintended or not. In contrast Juliet seems well suited to calmly face down Jack's yelling and controlling/dominating behaviour, and thus is a great character for him to be confronted with for his own development.

I don't think it's surprising that many people looked at her in that light right off the bat. Was there a shipping thread for Jack/Ana last year? I never even thought of looking. The fact that I'm in this thread has nothing to do with whether I prefer Skate to Jate. I just really liked the interactions of these two characters... intelligence, humor, real emotion. I think this was Matthew's Fox's best performance yet in the series, and part of that (for any actor) comes from playing opposite a strong acting partner. I thought Elizabeth Mitchell's performance was strong and complex, and that Juliet's calm and soft-spoken manner makes a good complement to Jack's intense and speedier style. By all means, ship whomever you like, but I don't think anyone has the right to tell other people what they think or why... especially in a thread that exists for people who DO like the couple.

Very well said! :clapping:

Hopefully, from this point on, those of us who DO like the possibility of this coupling can come in here and talk freely without having to get defensive just like any other ship! :group:

Oh - and by the way - I do like Jack - always have!

Sounds more like another Jack bashing thread to me. And while I to have a preference, to call any one of these people a "couple" with anyone else, is premature on ALL accounts. I did like Juliet and I think she is the key to helping all three of them escape. And as far as Jack "sending his dad on a relapse" - ummm, he didn't tie his dad down and MAKE him drink - an alcoholic will blame everyone else for their probelms except for himself. And Jack didn't do any STALKING - if my Husband was cheating, I would want to know with who also and I would find out. Still sounds more like another ship for some and Jack bashing for others. Call it "Jacket", but at least make it and keep it that.
No one is turning this into a Jack-bashing thread. That's not it's purpose. We are discussing facts about Jack and Juliet, and their interactions. So please, guys...let's not start that, okay? If you don't like the Jack/Juliet ship, then by all means, continue disliking it...but we don't particularly want to hear about it on this thread. :)

Very well said! :clapping:

Hopefully, from this point on, those of us who DO like the possibility of this coupling can come in here and talk freely without having to get defensive just like any other ship! :group:

Talk about this "coupling" all you want - but why all the Jack bashing with it?? And then again all the AMAZING CHEMISTRY between Jack and Juliet, but always preceded by a jab at Jack. Of course the people who want Kate and Sawyer together saw amazing chemistry with Jack and Juliet. I said before, I do like her and think if people like the friendship that will hopefully develop between Jack and Juliet, then that's their preference - but I think the Jack bashing and "Oh Jack needs Juliet so Sawyer can have Kate all to himself" comments serve no purpose as far as this "coupling" (and I use that term very lightly, as there are no couples within any of these particular four people). And IceKat - I posted a perfect example of the Jack bashing before my last post - and there are more, so if this is not what this thread is about, then I think that's great. I simply think others should do the same.

IMO, Jack doesn't have to get over Kate. It's his ex-wife he's still in love with and has to put behind him, I thought that was pretty clear in the season opener. Seriously, I only ever thought of Kate as Jack's sometime friend and never knew there was a "triangle" until I started reading Lost boards. I like Jack and Juliet, I think, with her, I saw a side of him I've never seen before. She was totally in control and I liked it.

What's wrong with the possibility of Juliet being a love interest for Jack? That doesn't have to be a bad thing. She's the only one aware of his pain and vulnerabilities, and she seems to care about him, but time will tell if my hunch is right.

What's wrong with the possibility of Juliet being a love interest for Jack?

Nothing at all, far as I can tell! She seems to be a strong woman, and well in control of her own emotions. I think her calming strength will help to support Jack...and goodness knows, he's gonna need it.

And the fact that they cast a fantastic actress in the role, who obviously struck an immediate rapport with Foxy, certainly doesn't hurt!

Wow Ice, that's a nice avie too. She is definitely a beautiful person. She's intriguing and mysterious. I think Damon and the Others, did right by this character so far.

Wow Ice, that's a nice avie too.
Ain't it purty? LAURA4LAD made it...I love it! :heart:

She is definitely a beautiful person. She's intriguing and mysterious. I think Damon and the Others, did right by this character so far.
Definite kudos to TPTB on this one...I'm thrilled that they created this character, and found Elizabeth Mitchell to play her. They found an actress to perfectly compliment Foxy, and a character to perfectly compliment Jack!

I find her a bit more interesting to watch then Ana. I liked Ana but she didn't bring much. Juliet will be one to bring more to the table.

I find her a bit more interesting to watch then Ana. I liked Ana but she didn't bring much. Juliet will be one to bring more to the table.
I didn't care for Ana's brashness, and Jack almost seemed intimidated by her at times. I much prefer the stillness of Juliet. That was the first thing that struck me..."I like how calm she is". Especially in the face of Jack's anger, and I think that he'll be able to respond to her in a very positive way.

I didn't care for Ana's brashness, and Jack almost seemed intimidated by her at times. I much prefer the stillness of Juliet. That was the first thing that struck me..."I like how calm she is". Especially in the face of Jack's anger, and I think that he'll be able to respond to her in a very positive way.

That's a nice way to put it. Stillness. She was so calming even though you knew what she was. What a difference. The ups and downs she brought to the whole ep. Refreshing.

Seriously, I only ever thought of Kate as Jack's sometime friend and never knew there was a "triangle" until I started reading Lost boards.

I feel the same way, except that I only ever thought of Kate as Sawyer's sometime friend and never knew there was a "triangle" until I started reading the Lost boards also. I think Juliet is going to be an interesting character as she does seem a hesitant participant in whatever the "Others" have going on. I still think she will be the key to helping the three of them escape, and I think she will eventually want to go with all of them to their camp and get away from the Others. And not because of Jack, but because I think she absolutely can't stand Henry (can't blame her there) - and might jump at the chance to get away from it all. And on top of that she could eventually help all of the Losties. I do like her character, just not as a romantic one for Jack. I do hope they form a friendship because poor Jack could sure use one right now.

First off, there should be no discussion of the pros and cons of Sawyer in this thread period really. Can we leave it out if possible? Primarily it should be about the positive things people see in the interaction between Jack and Juliet. You wanna argue Jack and Kate? Go to the Couch. You wanna argue Kate Sawyer? Take it to OutKaSts. Please try to keep it on topic people.

I knew about the triangle but never cared for it too much.
And also am happy with the Jack/Juliet relationship wether it is romantic or not. I just loved the interaction, and honestly I never saw anybody having such effect on Jack so far. Desmond came close, but still wasn't like this. It will be so great to find out what is real about her and what is pretending!

The biggest spoiler yet, seriously!. I'm not kidding!:

The song that Juliet listened at the beginning of the episode, has clues, i'm not kidding!. Just read it!.

Downtown: Patula Clark.


When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always go - downtown
When you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know - downtown
Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city
Linger on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?

The lights are much brighter there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
So go downtown, things'll be great when you're
Downtown - no finer place, for sure
Downtown - everything's waiting for you

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You decide but i believe this holds some clues and answers for what's ahead for Jacket.

Downtown, downtown, downtown...:o

I really enjoyed the intelligent and complex banter between them. Of course it wasnt romantic in any sense. But the actors playing complicated roles was so intriguing to watch. Juliet, someone who could be just as evil as she could be good, is having dialogue with an infuriated and confused Jack. Elizabeth Mitchell is an amazing actress.

If it perhaps goes romantic? Who knows. But nonetheless, they are interesting to watch. Like Jack and Locke or Locke and Benry or Sayid and Jack etc. The intelligent and possibly duplicitous dialogues were very interesting.

Agreed Nokoolaid, it may well still turn out that Juliet is an extremely cunning player completely duping Jack. But what we have seen so far makes us somewhat sympathetic (as far as one can be for an Other) to her, compared to say Benry, or Tom or Pickett.
Call it a gut feeling, but I believe Juliet may be more like Alex in that she is not completely indoctrinated by the Other's agenda. ;)

Call it a gut feeling, but I believe Juliet may be more like Alex in that she is not completely indoctrinated by the Other's agenda. ;)
Yup, that's my feeling as well. She showed enough vulnerability/pain in her eyes, and she showed enough distaste towards Ben, to convince me of that. She's an Other, she knows her "job" where Jack is concerned...but there's definitely going to be more to the story between them, and maybe she & even Alex will join up with Jack to side against Ben & the other Others. :)

Elizabeth Mitchell is an amazing actress.

She really is. I'd never seen her in anything before this episode of Lost...but she absolutely blew me away (not unlike HIC in the role of Desmond...I'd never heard of him before, either). They've done a great casting job on this show, no doubt!!

She really is. I'd never seen her in anything before this episode of Lost...but she absolutely blew me away (not unlike HIC in the role of Desmond...I'd never heard of him before, either). They've done a great casting job on this show, no doubt!!

I saw her in ER, I had high hopes for her but she still overwhelmed me.

I agree, she is exactly what HIC/Desmond was for S2, a great actress meets a wonderfully written part!

See you've joined me in the "pix of Desmond in the jungle, wearing his Dharma jumpsuit" avi club, Lea! :D

Yeah, looks like Jack's letting Juliet in where he wouldn't let Desmond in. Kind of sorry about that. But glad he's opening up to SOMEONE!

If only that pesky Benry weren't in the way. . . .

My goodness. Only two days and this thread is already on page, what, 10? If anyone had any question as to Jack's inherent popularity, this should put that to rest. I was amazed to find I was looking forward to Jacket scenes as much as Skate and that's saying a lot!! I

More than that, Perdue, I think it's quite a statement about Elizabeth Mitchell. She's that good, IMO.

True. She is an incredible actress and very well cast. She played exteremely well off of Matt Fox and "Benry."

I'm fairly new to the Fuselage (as you can see from my "joined date"), so I wasn't around to see the formation of threads in favor of what are now commonly supported ships (i.e. Jate, Skate, PB&J, Shayid, etc...). A question for those of you that have been here a while: did the supporters of the other ships have to defend their support initially as much as we are having to in this thread? Not complaining, just curious. :)

I don't remember so. It would appear that we have unsettled some shipping camps with our enthusiasm for a new dynamic. *shrugs* Really as far as I am concerned, this is an appreciation thread, and people need not post here if they can't be positive with their feedback. Why should we have to justify why we enjoy Jack and Juliet interacting? We have already given reasons. As others have pointed out, shipping and group threads have been started on less foundation than we have. Elizabeth Mitchell is a stellar actress who brings new energy and spark to the show. And so far, her intense scenes with Foxy have shown she can really stir up some interest and chemistry. People should be pleased she's fitting in so well, and really hitting it off with the leading character of the series.

Can't we all jus get along, Or at least agree to disagree and go our separate ways?

so ... jack and juliet :biggrin:

and she has a good right hook.

She does indeed! And I liked the way she cradled his head afterwards. No nonsense but also nurturing. What a brilliant combo!

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Zoriah, you're right. This is a Juliet and Jack appreciation thread. No one has to throw off any other feelings to appreciate the interaction between them. And somehow if this were a "hate Juliet with Jack" thread, I don't think nearly as many feathers would have ruffled. I think it's just the idea of someone new with one of the leading men that has created unhappiness.

I know. *wink* One would think we were clamoring for them to have each other's babies or a Dharma wedding or something. :rolleyes:

Bottomline: Their scenes together rocked, and let's hope we get to see more scenes of them interacting.

I think when she knocked him out (who knew Jack had a glass jaw? Sawyer, if only you had known when he tossed your mss in the fire!!! :)) and then saved him and cradled him afterwards, I was totally sold. I was all ready to be 'eh' about her like I was about Ana Lucia and Libby (sorry AL and Lib lovers), but she rocked. From that opening scene where she was pulling herself together to Petula Clark to the way she took down Sawyer to her incredible scenes with Jack, I was sold on her as an addition to the cast. She's strong, she's capable, she's intelligent and she played off Jack like nobody's business. Can't wait for more of her.

And because of her, I'm actually looking forward to more Jack scenes too! Nothing to do with who I think should be hooking up, but rather what makes for compelling, watchable drama and storytelling. This combo is a winner.

How much do you really think she knew about Jack's pre-island life? To me it felt like she had a pretty hefty file on him, which was full of tidbits, but it wasn't until she was confronted by the real man, the real Jack, laid bare the way he was, that she began to empathise and realise he was a human being, not just a file. I don't know, it just seems like her knowing some of his trauma or at least the bare facts concerning Christian and Sarah could really give her more insight, and access to forming a deep connection with Jack than the others on the island whom he hasn't really wanted to open up to. Who on the island has he really told about his past. Even Kate, whom he finally told his father had died, he has kept mostly shut out. But here he has no choice. She already KNOWS some of what he has been through. That has to be a vulnerable place for Jack to be in.

I totally agree, Zoriah and Perdue. She is strong and capable- potentially manipulative as the other Others- but her detailed understanding of Jack as a person and his past, along with her personal emotional situation that is suggested, also lends to the possibility that she will relate to him on a deeper level.

I'm sure they will form a bond while she is working closely with him, and it will be interesting to see what develops from that. Not just in a romantic sense, but whether it will sway either of them to the opposite side. There's definitely a set up for a lot of conflict and doubt, and some impressive acting to come. Elizabeth is wonderful, her character is appealing, and I think she'll be a terrific addition to the show.

Oh yeah, and I'd like to join please. :71:

Sign me up, I loved their chemistry and interaction. :biggrin:

Awesome! Welcome to all the new members. Don your jackets in celebration! :biggrin:

I've read back over this thread and it was nice to see people really really liked what they saw between the two characters. I'm also glad that this wasn't a sideways attempt by some skaters just to get Jack away from Kate. I've seen that done on other boards with certain characters. We don't like X and Y together so we will form a ship where Y is with Z! That will free up X to be with the person WE in all our wisdom think X should be with!

Apparently there was none of that here.

I have heard of the Stockholm Syndrome where a hostage identifies with the people who have captured them. What is it when the reverse happens? Think we will see that here? Think Juliet will run away with Jack back to the beach? How would the other Losties accept her? That would be some interesting drama right there without the ship!

And I'm getting ahead of things...:biggrin:

I've read back over this thread and it was nice to see people really really liked what they saw between the two characters. I'm also glad that this wasn't a sideways attempt by some skaters just to get Jack away from Kate. I've seen that done on other boards with certain characters. We don't like X and Y together so we will form a ship where Y is with Z! That will free up X to be with the person WE in all our wisdom think X should be with!

Apparently there was none of that here.

I have heard of the Stockholm Syndrome where a hostage identifies with the people who have captured them. What is it when the reverse happens? Think we will see that here? Think Juliet will run away with Jack back to the beach? How would the other Losties accept her? That would be some interesting drama right there without the ship!

And I'm getting ahead of things...:biggrin:

That would indeed be interesting drama, but it is not likely to happen too soon. Maybe Juliet is unhappy and have differences of opinion with Ben, but so far we know that she knows her duty. If she falls for Jack or for any other reason will decide to join the Losties, some major showdown must happen first. And something is telling me they will keep her on a fine line between the good side and the bad side... And we'll love that :biggrin:.

Oh I know anything like that won't happen right away...and of course she will be 'torn' as to where her loyalties should be.

And because of her, I'm actually looking forward to more Jack scenes too! Nothing to do with who I think should be hooking up, but rather what makes for compelling, watchable drama and storytelling. This combo is a winner.

You know, this is an angle that I hadn't even considered, but you're absolutely right! I've been so bored with Jack for so long, that I didn't even realize...but yes, I'm actually looking forward to his scenes with Juliet! :eek2:

I always thought that Jack was a great character. I was really getting bored of the whole Jack/Locke thing though. I felt that the show was kind of overdoing it. I'm glad that the show has decided to go in another direction with him. I also thought that his flashback scenes were really good in this episode. I can't wait to see what unfolds.
A question, Do we know for sure that Juliet is doctor?

I've read back over this thread and it was nice to see people really really liked what they saw between the two characters. I'm also glad that this wasn't a sideways attempt by some skaters just to get Jack away from Kate. I've seen that done on other boards with certain characters. We don't like X and Y together so we will form a ship where Y is with Z! That will free up X to be with the person WE in all our wisdom think X should be with!

Apparently there was none of that here.

I have heard of the Stockholm Syndrome where a hostage identifies with the people who have captured them. What is it when the reverse happens? Think we will see that here? Think Juliet will run away with Jack back to the beach? How would the other Losties accept her? That would be some interesting drama right there without the ship!

And I'm getting ahead of things...:biggrin:

Oh, yeah. I don't think we'll see this for a looong time (if ever), but I think it would be great to see Juliet joining the beach Losties and interacting with people other than the 3 captives. Would people hate her for being an other? Be immediately dazzled by her with and charm and accept her with open arms? Try to use her for information? Ah, I'd love to see that play out.

Elfdream: I have heard of the Stockholm Syndrome where a hostage identifies with the people who have captured them. What is it when the reverse happens? Think we will see that here? Think Juliet will run away with Jack back to the beach? How would the other Losties accept her? That would be some interesting drama right there without the ship!

I think you have touched upon a good point. Juliet has read Jack's file, she knows a heck of a lot about him. Has studied him and probably made a profile on what she thinks he is like, how he will react to certain situations etc. What I find compelling is the idea that a file doesn't make up a man. And now she is seeing the flesh and bone person up close, looking into his eyes and realising this is a real human being, not just a test subject. Perhaps she's had misgivings in the past, but I do think Jack is going to bring any ideological/ethical/moral doubts she has about what she's doing even more to the forefront.

It's possible Juliet could defect and run back to the beach with Jack (early days yet hehe) but I think I see it more likely that she would attempt a coup, with Jack aiding her. She doesn't seem the type to cut and run unless there was no choice. Great food for though though. :biggrin:

What I find compelling is the idea that a file doesn't make up a man. And now she is seeing the flesh and bone person up close, looking into his eyes and realising this is a real human being, not just a test subject. Perhaps she's had misgivings in the past, but I do think Jack is going to bring any ideological/ethical/moral doubts she has about what she's doing even more to the forefront.

Totally. Her bonding with him is going to give her serious doubts about what she and the Others are doing. And we may have already seen it beginning - - when Jack asked about Sarah and began crying, his pain was obvious...and I think the compassion on Juliet's face was sincere.

Totally. Her bonding with him is going to give her serious doubts about what she and the Others are doing. And we may have already seen it beginning - - when Jack asked about Sarah and began crying, his pain was obvious...and I think the compassion on Juliet's face was sincere.

Oh yes. That no one can deny.

I also liked her face when she told him she was a "repo-woman". The way she laughed and wrinkled her nose!!

What it looks like to me is that she ultimately wants to fix him. They seem to have that in common.

Perhaps it will be Jack that defects and decides to stay with the Others. Why not? I'm guessing he might be better appreciated by Henry/Ben and company.

Perhaps it will be Jack that defects and decides to stay with the Others. Why not? I'm guessing he might be better appreciated by Henry/Ben and company.

Whoa, that would be a twist. Juliet though, I don't think that if it came to that would leave him behind, knowing how Ben and the rest of them are.

Perhaps it will be Jack that defects and decides to stay with the Others. Why not? I'm guessing he might be better appreciated by Henry/Ben and company.

I don't think that at all because the Losties have appreciated Jack for countless reasons: his leadership abilities, doctor skills, etc.

Perhaps it will be Jack that defects and decides to stay with the Others. Why not? I'm guessing he might be better appreciated by Henry/Ben and company.
This is totally what I see happening. I think that, should Sawyer and Kate hook up (which is starting to look really likely), Jack will be a little hurt, since he clearly has feelings for Kate. So the Skate hook-up would provide a catalyst for Jack choosing to stay behind. By the time he sees Sawyer and Kate together, several episodes from now, I'm betting that he'll have spent a lot more time with Juliet, getting to know her, perhaps developing a deeper understanding of her, bonding with her, sympathizing with her...and since his only reason to 'escape' (Kate) has moved on with Sawyer, why shouldn't he stay with Juliet, and help her against Ben?

At least, that's what I'm hoping for! :)

Fascinating thinking here, folks! I have to say what I liked best about Juliet was that she considered herself Jack's equal (and proved it). She didn't coddle him about eating; just told him that the drugs they gave him would cause dehydration and hallucinations and he needed to eat and drink. Clinical but caring. Just like he would have done in the same situation. She doesn't look up to him, but she doesn't look down on him either (Not stupid, just stubborn.). It's rare on tv to see a relationship where the people are truly equal. And that doesn't mean that they are going to end up in bed. What it does mean is that we can see some intelligent, thoughtful, considered dialog and meaningful character development. Which I'm ready for.

Forgive me, I didn't realize speculating on what could happen based on episode one should be considered a spoiler. :p

When have the Losties appreciated Jack? When they're dying and need a doctor? They've used and abused him, undermined him, stabbed him in the back all while expecting him to come running to their aid every time they stub their friggin toe. Let them fend for themselves. It should be fun watching them scramble around arguing over nonsense, each following their own personal agenda with nobody around to tell them to SHUT UP and get them refocused.

I also think that now that Jack has finally found a way to put the pain Sarah caused him in a place he can deal with it and attempt to move on, he'll be able to better analyze his feelings for Kate and decide how he really feels about her. I thought after watching the interaction between Jack and Juliet she made Kate seem very immature, but Kate's wild, childlike qualities may be what attracted Jack to her in the first place.

Can't we all jus get along, Or at least agree to disagree and go our separate ways?

so ... jack and juliet :biggrin:

and she has a good right hook.

Exactly what I thought!!!!!! Man, I wouldn't mind getting knocked out by her any day. :rolleyes:

Oh, and I see someone got the same idea for avatars. I like yours, but I also like mine. LOL.

When have the Losties appreciated Jack? When they're dying and need a doctor? They've used and abused him, undermined him, stabbed him in the back all while expecting him to come running to their aid every time they stub their friggin toe. Let them fend for themselves. It should be fun watching them scramble around arguing over nonsense, each following their own personal agenda with nobody around to tell them to SHUT UP and get them refocused.


Goodness - he's billed as the hero of the show. No matter the personal issues here & there, he's VERY MUCH appreciated everywhere.

Laura4Lad, the lj looks nice, good work. I'll be watching it. :smile1:

Ditto. LauraA4LAD the community looked great. Loved the pic spam.

My faves are the glass touch they shared

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1164&pos=56

and of course this one:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-1164&pos=22

This is totally what I see happening. I think that, should Sawyer and Kate hook up (which is starting to look really likely), Jack will be a little hurt, since he clearly has feelings for Kate. So the Skate hook-up would provide a catalyst for Jack choosing to stay behind. By the time he sees Sawyer and Kate together, several episodes from now, I'm betting that he'll have spent a lot more time with Juliet, getting to know her, perhaps developing a deeper understanding of her, bonding with her, sympathizing with her...and since his only reason to 'escape' (Kate) has moved on with Sawyer, why shouldn't he stay with Juliet, and help her against Ben?

At least, that's what I'm hoping for! :)

I don't think that Jack's decision:


to stay with The Others would have anything to do with Kate's decision. I think it would be more about where he can do the most good. I think Juliet is some type of doctor/scientist and that will be appealing to him. He is supposedly going to perform surgery on one of the Others and if those type of facilities actually exist and he won't be forced to watch people die anymore because he doesn't have what he needs to heal them I could see him staying or if Ben and company really are doing something scientifically worthwhile he could be coaxed into staying. After all, he was a scientist before he was forced into becoming an island action hero. ;)

I do agree with the theory that either Jack or Juliet is going to defect though, but I'm not sure he should trust her just yet and he probably doesn't.

Hello Jackets-

Just a Jater passing through....Firstly apologies for the disruption of your thread. I ask that any Jaters not intending to be members please allow folks to discuss their pairing freely & w/o defense. These threads are like homes & we're but guests when we visit.

And to thread members I wanted ppl to know that I'm committed to cultivating a sense of respect & diplomacy between ships as well as discourage negativity toward fandoms. We will try to instill the same philosophy on the JC.

Lastly since Jack fans may find themselves here, I wanted to extend a welcome to them on the FOXDen. We don't discriminate based on ship preference.

Thanks for listening :)

~banshee

Ooh, I just had a another random thought/speculation:


What if the Other's want Jack to join them and also convince the other survivors to join them too. Perhaps they are currently in 'quarantine' so to speak until the Others feel it is safe to try to start bringing in the rest for re-orientation and assimilation into their community.*shrugs* Which is where Juliet's influence could come in. "See, Jack, see what we are achieving here? You could keep your people safe if you only made them realise we are not the bad guys..."

I can just see Jack being persuaded that the Lostees are better off living in the Other compound. They'd have regular food supplies, access to proper medical facilities, proper hygenic quarters and bathrooms etc. Can you see Jack starting to think if he can't bring civilisation to the beach camp, maybe he can convince them to come to 'civilisation'.

Just a thought.

Laura4Lad, the lj looks nice, good work. I'll be watching it. :smile1:

glad you like it :kiss: Already 25 members and it has only been up for 12 hours

Hello Jackets-

Just a Jater passing through....Firstly apologies for the disruption of your thread. I ask that any Jaters not intending to be members please allow folks to discuss their pairing freely & w/o defense. These threads are like homes & we're but guests when we visit.

And to thread members I wanted ppl to know that I'm committed to cultivating a sense of respect & diplomacy between ships as well as discourage negativity toward fandoms. We will try to instill the same philosophy on the JC.

Lastly since Jack fans may find themselves here, I wanted to extend a welcome to them on the FOXDen. We don't discriminate based on ship preference.

Thanks for listening :)

~banshee

A voice of reason, Banshee, I wish / hope that it could / can propogate throughout.

Ooh, I just had a another random thought/speculation:


What if the Other's want Jack to join them and also convince the other survivors to join them too. Perhaps they are currently in 'quarantine' so to speak until the Others feel it is safe to try to start bringing in the rest for re-orientation and assimilation into their community.*shrugs* Which is where Juliet's influence could come in. "See, Jack, see what we are achieving here? You could keep your people safe if you only made them realise we are not the bad guys..."

I can just see Jack being persuaded that the Lostees are better off living in the Other compound. They'd have regular food supplies, access to proper medical facilities, proper hygenic quarters and bathrooms etc. Can you see Jack starting to think if he can't bring civilisation to the beach camp, maybe he can convince them to come to 'civilisation'.

Just a thought.

At first I thought, yes, that makes sense. Why wouldn't the LOSTIES want to join the Others...just look at where they live? They live in island suburbia, and certainly, some or maybe many of the survivors would want some of that real-world comfort. But then if that was the Others intention...they may have ruined their chances when they sent out Ethan and Goodwin, and kidnapped some of the survivors. Why didn't they just wait a couple of days until the survivors started giving up hope of being saved, and been like, hey, join us for some COFFEE. ;)

But I must say, I really do like the possibility of Jack staying behind with Juliet...what a shocker that would be at the end of the mini-season!

What do people think of the spoiler that:

There is a scene where we see Juliet in scrubs and Jack is forced to operate on an Other? Does this mean she has some medical training? Also I love the idea that the person being operated on might have been injured by Sayid's attempted rescue.

I wonder if when Ethan was killed the Other's lost their main doctor. That would be interesting. Or it could just be the person hurt needs delicate surgery near the spinal cord or something?

What do people think of the spoiler that:

There is a scene where we see Juliet in scrubs and Jack is forced to operate on an Other? Does this mean she has some medical training? Also I love the idea that the person being operated on might have been injured by Sayid's attempted rescue.

I wonder if when Ethan was killed the Other's lost their main doctor. That would be interesting. Or it could just be the person hurt needs delicate surgery near the spinal cord or something?

It would be great if Jack became their new doctor. To bad it's already been done, and if it happened me and my Original Idea (check the RP board) may have to ask them why them seem to be stealing ideas from us. :biggrin:

Anyway, Juliet with medical trainig? It's possible! And I hope it's true. Cuz then her "repo man" joke would make more sense!

I'm glad we're getting so many members! Jacket RULES!!!!!!!!

What do people think of the spoiler that:

There is a scene where we see Juliet in scrubs and Jack is forced to operate on an Other? Does this mean she has some medical training? Also I love the idea that the person being operated on might have been injured by Sayid's attempted rescue.

I wonder if when Ethan was killed the Other's lost their main doctor. That would be interesting. Or it could just be the person hurt needs delicate surgery near the spinal cord or something?
Oooh, that could be interesting! Maybe Juliet has a basic medical training, and she can be Jack's "nurse"... :w00t:

I agree with a lot of the speculation about Ethan being the Other's doctor...especially all of his scenes with Claire.

Forgive me, I didn't realize speculating on what could happen based on episode one should be considered a spoiler. :p

Uhm, if it's speculation based on a spoiler then yes, of course it is a spoiler!

I can imagine the writers just having a total ball with the repo man comment if Juliet is herself a doctor or some sort of medical professional.

I can't imagine my speculations ever being close enough to spoil anything, but I'll be more careful in the future, as for the others:


I've always gotten the sense that they all are some kind of scientists/medical professionals. I don't know why, I guess because they're always jabbing needles into the Losties they do capture.

I've always gotten the sense that they all are some kind of scientists/medical professionals. I don't know why, I guess because they're always jabbing needles into the Losties they do capture.


I was just thinking that same thing
I'm sure Juliet would at least have to be some sort of scientist. I'll bet she's a doctor of psychology.

. . . because they're always jabbing needles into the Losties they do capture . . . ha ha ha!

How much do you really think she knew about Jack's pre-island life? To me it felt like she had a pretty hefty file on him, which was full of tidbits, but it wasn't until she was confronted by the real man, the real Jack, laid bare the way he was, that she began to empathise and realise he was a human being, not just a file. I don't know, it just seems like her knowing some of his trauma or at least the bare facts concerning Christian and Sarah could really give her more insight, and access to forming a deep connection with Jack than the others on the island whom he hasn't really wanted to open up to. Who on the island has he really told about his past. Even Kate, whom he finally told his father had died, he has kept mostly shut out. But here he has no choice. She already KNOWS some of what he has been through. That has to be a vulnerable place for Jack to be in.

Reading this made me think of Sawyer when he shoved his letter to the real Mr. Sawyer in Kate's hands inviting...practically forcing her into his life by sharing with her the most painful, darkest part of his life although he tried to make her believe that letter was to him instead of by him.

In contrast, Jack was placed in a emotionally vunerable situation as well where he was forced to open up and extend a bit of trust after much resistance. Like you said, Juliet already knew about the facts...the black and white as some of what he'd been through, but not the shades of gray in the details.

Like many of you, I enjoyed the interaction between the two characters and the actors as well. The introduction of Juliet's character was brilliant. Seeing that not only is she capable and smart...there is a vunerability in her character with a decent amount of mystery that calls in to question whether she really can be trusted. I'm excited to get to know more about her, and to see further interactions between she and Jack.

I was just thinking that same thing
I'm sure Juliet would at least have to be some sort of scientist. I'll bet she's a doctor of psychology.

. . . because they're always jabbing needles into the Losties they do capture . . . ha ha ha!



And that means she is a doctor of psycology? It may mean she's a doctor... of what, I'm not sure. But because of that voddoo she put on Jack to tell her things (yeah, yeah, there was no voddoo, but she's good) does make it seem she's a doctor of psycology.

I cannot wait for the next episode!!!!!!!!! :biggrin:

What do people think of the spoiler that:

There is a scene where we see Juliet in scrubs and Jack is forced to operate on an Other? Does this mean she has some medical training? Also I love the idea that the person being operated on might have been injured by Sayid's attempted rescue.

I wonder if when Ethan was killed the Other's lost their main doctor. That would be interesting. Or it could just be the person hurt needs delicate surgery near the spinal cord or something?
I personally, dont think Ethan was their doctor. I think he stayed with Claire because Ethan was the only one she knew.

I still think the operation is a test. I think the Others are studying Jack's psychology and seeing what breaks him. They've broken him now, so now they can move on to what they have planned for him. The Others are clearly living very healthy lives for where they are, and they have a big community. So I'm doubting they need Jack for his medical training. I think they will tell Jack that he is saving one of them, but hes actually doing something else for them.

Whether Juliet is playing a psychological mind game on Jack or it actually develops into something romantically. It should still be fun as hell to watch. Considering how good Benry was at lying, I'm anxious to see what his female counter part Juliet is capable of. Will she be able to coax people in with her emotions and wiles?

I personally, dont think Ethan was their doctor. I think he stayed with Claire because Ethan was the only one she knew.

I still think the operation is a test. I think the Others are studying Jack's psychology and seeing what breaks him. They've broken him now, so now they can move on to what they have planned for him. The Others are clearly living very healthy lives for where they are, and they have a big community. So I'm doubting they need Jack for his medical training. I think they will tell Jack that he is saving one of them, but hes actually doing something else for them.

Whether Juliet is playing a psychological mind game on Jack or it actually develops into something romantically. It should still be fun as hell to watch. Considering how good Benry was at lying, I'm anxious to see what his female counter part Juliet is capable of. Will she be able to coax people in with her emotions and wiles?


Oh, Oh - not wanting to join here (no offence meant) but reading your discussion hit on an idea. Didn't we all read some spoilers/foilers recently that
Locke has a fall and that Jack would be operating on Locke


Maybe an Other finds him in the jungle and brings him back

Oh, Oh - not wanting to join here (no offence meant) but reading your discussion hit on an idea. Didn't we all read some spoilers/foilers recently that
Locke has a fall and that Jack would be operating on Locke


Maybe an Other finds him in the jungle and brings him back


What's wrong with Locke? I mean, if Desmond gets out, then Locke should.

It think it may be

Eko. He did get hurt pretty badly.

What's wrong with Locke? I mean, if Desmond gets out, then Locke should.

It think it may be

Eko. He did get hurt pretty badly.

I just think I'd read somewhere that the writers
were going to revisit Locke's paralysis and that Jack would be the one to save him. And it may not be a case that Locke was injured during the Artzing of the Hatch - could be just an island fall
Coulda been a dream - I'm so confused at this point

I just think I'd read somewhere that the writers
were going to revisit Locke's paralysis and that Jack would be the one to save him. And it may not be a case that Locke was injured during the Artzing of the Hatch - could be just an island fall
Coulda been a dream - I'm so confused at this point

Yeah, and because of the swticher-roo (SP?) we have to

wait for two weeks before Locke's FB eppy.

I wonder if any Jacket vids have popped up on YouTube yet. :biggrin:

Please add my name to the list, thanks!

Man, I can't post at all because almost every recent post is spoiler fonted and I'm trying to avoid spoilers! I wish there were a way to differentiate big spoilers from little spoilettes. :) Anyway, Jacket rules, and welcome to all the new members!

we could use oldspoiler

Caption for gus's Dom avi:

"Ooooh! Spoilers!" :24:

Wow you guys! This thread is now at 15 pages when it was only 5 pages on Friday...

Well I finally managed to read the entire thing. There is a lot of very interesting speculation. I'll add a couple of comments:

RE: Ethan as the doctor.
I doubt Ethan was the Others' doctor because he was sent out to the Fuselage. It would make very little sense to send your doctor out on a scouting mission. Funnily enough the fusies do this all the time!

RE: Juliet as the doctor.
I think she is a doctor of psycology and as such has basic medical training. I think that Jack and Juliet will be operating on Pickett.

As for a Jacket music vid... *hmm*

I cannot wait until the next episode, Elizabeth Mitchell has brought my enthusiam back for LOST that the death of Libby and Foilergate destroyed.

RE: Ethan as the doctor.
I doubt Ethan was the Others' doctor because he was sent out to the Fuselage. It would make very little sense to send your doctor out on a scouting mission. Funnily enough the fusies do this all the time!

RE: Juliet as the doctor.
I think she is a doctor of psycology and as such has basic medical training. I think that Jack and Juliet will be operating on Pickett.



I agree on both of your comments. It seems Ethan is not much of a plumber, but even if he is a doctor, he is not the only one. And his tracking / scouting / combat skills imply a military training? I'm not spoilerfonting, cuz it's only my own spculation. I mean, this guy dragged two people into the jungle single handedly, hung Charlie by the neck and beat the hack out of Jack at the same time!!! Not to mention poor Scott.

As for Juliet,


she must have psychology training, along with Ben, which makes me think of a professional disagreeance between the two...

I think "Jacket" is such a KEWL name for this ship! :thumbup:

I really wish I could use photoshop :( - I like the idea of my avatar, but it doesn't capture the magic of Jacket :(

I agree on both of your comments. It seems Ethan is not much of a plumber, but even if he is a doctor, he is not the only one. And his tracking / scouting / combat skills imply a military training? I'm not spoilerfonting, cuz it's only my own spculation. I mean, this guy dragged two people into the jungle single handedly, hung Charlie by the neck and beat the hack out of Jack at the same time!!! Not to mention poor Scott.


When I first watched the opening I thought it was implied that Ethan and Juliet were a couple. It seemed like he was doing DIY for his partner. Maybe I am wrong.

I wonder if 'Jacket' will be featured as much in the next episode due to...
seeing Ben with Jack rather than Juliet with Jack.

I really wish I could use photoshop :( - I like the idea of my avatar, but it doesn't capture the magic of Jacket :(

What picture is it? I have Photoshop and home and might be able to make it a little better for you. I think I need to work on mine too, for some reason. :P

I wonder if 'Jacket' will be featured as much in the next episode due to...
seeing Ben with Jack rather than Juliet with Jack.

For some reason, I thought it was going to focus only on the people on the ship and back on the beach and in the hatch. Why else would they switch them? Maybe they felt they should move up the eppy on them, and then save the one for the others later. But that doesn't explain Ben in the promo...

Episode 2: The Glass Ballerina

Is Sun centric and is about Sayid trying to rescue J/J/K from the others. As far as I am aware the only scene dealing with the hatchies and beachies will be the final scene.
Ben is speaking to Jack in the promo. Also Tom is shooting at Sun :(.

The picture I am speaking about is the one in my avi. I am disappointed with how it turned out, I really need to learn how to use photoshop LOL.

Episode 2: The Glass Ballerina

Is Sun centric and is about Sayid trying to rescue J/J/K from the others. As far as I am aware the only scene dealing with the hatchies and beachies will be the final scene.
Ben is speaking to Jack in the promo. Also Tom is shooting at Sun :(.

Yeah, I was freaking at that point. And only the final scene? DARN! When will we see them moooooooore?

The picture I am speaking about is the one in my avi. I am disappointed with how it turned out, I really need to learn how to use photoshop LOL.

Yeah, maybe I can fix it up. Don't know if I really can, though. :P

Yeah, I was freaking at that point. And only the final scene? DARN! When will we see them moooooooore?



In the third, as it is Locke centric :biggrin:


I can't wait ether...

In the third, as it is Locke centric :biggrin:


I can't wait ether...

Oh, yeah! I totally forgot about that!

Does anyone else know the FBs for the other episodes?

Like... if one might be Juliet's?

I know, I am so excited about the upcoming episodes 2 & 3!

Aww, thanks SJ thats really sweet.

I have kinda started a music vid for the couple, I think I will need more scenes to fill it though. I am using the song "Home" from Beauty and The Beast.

The flashbacks of episodes 1-6:
Episode 1 - Jack
Episode 2 - Sun
Episode 3 - Locke
Episode 4 - Sawyer
Episode 5 - Eko
Episode 6 - Kate

I hope that helps :)

I have kinda started a music vid for the couple, I think I will need more scenes to fill it though. I am using the song "Home" from Beauty and The Beast.

Oh!!!!!! That would be sooooo awesome. Be sure to post it when you're done!

I'm thinking of writing a Jacket fan fic ((I am SUCH a dork)) and making a few more Jacket avatars. But since most of them together include Jack attacking Juliet, there isn't much... :P

The flashbacks of episodes 1-6:
Episode 1 - Jack
Episode 2 - Sun
Episode 3 - Locke
Episode 4 - Sawyer
Episode 5 - Eko
Episode 6 - Kate

I hope that helps :)

It does!

I'm glad that we're gonna kinda be going back and forth.

Episode 1 - Jack (Mainly Other's camp)
Episode 2 - Sun (Mainly boat)
Episode 3 - Locke (Mainly Hatch)
Episode 4 - Sawyer (Mainly Other's camp)
Episode 5 - Eko (Mainly Hatch, Beach?)
Episode 6 - Kate (Mainly Other's camp)

I wonder why the Kate episode is the one that will "change Lost as we know it". I'm now scared, because I heard that Kate

might be an Other.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH anyone?

:biggrin: I love nested spoilers.

SJ:

*warning POSSIBLE spoiler*
I think the "thing that will change LOST forever", is Jack deciding to stay with the Others :o! I would also suggest that "The Glass Ballerina" is mainly Others' camp, with the side story being the boat - until they collide in the second half of the episode. With Sun's flashbacks being the third level story... I think they will be short like Jack's were in the priemere.

Oh!!!!!! That would be sooooo awesome. Be sure to post it when you're done!

I'm thinking of writing a Jacket fan fic ((I am SUCH a dork)) and making a few more Jacket avatars. But since most of them together include Jack attacking Juliet, there isn't much... :P


I'll post it! It is definately very hard to make a nice vid when Jack spends most of his time attacking Juliet. Which is why I think its gonna take a little while to create a good vid. I think the song is quite fitting for them though.

SJ:

*warning POSSIBLE spoiler*
I think the "thing that will change LOST forever", is Jack deciding to stay with the Others :o! I would also suggest that "The Glass Ballerina" is mainly Others' camp, with the side story being the boat - until they collide in the second half of the episode. With Sun's flashbacks being the third level story... I think they will be short like Jack's were in the priemere.

Well, if that's the case...

I would love it. Jack an Other? That'll give him more time with Juliet!!!!! :biggrin: 'Course, I still think Kate's an Other. Did you see how she reacted when she got into the prison?


I'll post it! It is definately very hard to make a nice vid when Jack spends most of his time attacking Juliet. Which is why I think its gonna take a little while to create a good vid. I think the song is quite fitting for them though.

What are the lyrics?

The lyrics are here:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/beautyandthebeast/home.htm

Here are some relevant snippets:

Is this home
Is this what I must learn to believe in
Try to find
Something good in this tragic place
Just in case
I should stay here forever
Held in this empty place


Is this home?
Am I here for a day or forever?
Shut away
From the world until who knows when
Oh, but then
As my life has been altered once
It can change again
Build higher walls around me
Change ev'ry lock and key
Nothing lasts, nothing holds
All of me
My heart's far, far away
Home and free!


I don't think that Kate is an Other, I think that perhaps her acting wierdly was due to a deleted scene (the show over ran by 22 minutes). I will put it this way as not to start a flame war, EM showed she was the best actress at Others' HQ in the priemere ;)

The lyrics are here:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/beautyandthebeast/home.htm

Kewl! Thanks! :biggrin:

I don't think that Kate is an Other, I think that perhaps her acting wierdly was due to a deleted scene (the show over ran by 22 minutes). I will put it this way as not to start a flame war, EM showed she was the best actress at Others' HQ in the priemere ;)

:roflmao: I thought Elizabeth Mitchell (sp?) was great too. And flame war? Nah. Anyway, it's kinda weird talking about Kate in a Jacket thread, but she is still a potential love interest for Jack that we should keep an eye on. She seems to be kissing Sawyer in the next episode, so... :P But anway, I still thinks she is an Other.

Now, back to Jacket. What did you think of the end of the premiere? That whole conversation with Ben (teehee)? What was she trying to do, to find?

Now, back to Jacket. What did you think of the end of the premiere? That whole conversation with Ben (teehee)? What was she trying to do, to find?

Personally I didn't really like the anti-climax of the end. I would have much rather had a musical montage of the captured LOSTies. Sawyer/Kate/Jack/Juliet. I think it would have been quite powerful if they were all seen to be 'helping' each other. Then they could have had Juliet leave the cell and walk away with Ole Creepy watching her.

I think what that scene was intended to do was point out the tension between Ben and Juliet for the viewers who hadn't quite cottoned on to it. What it symbolised for me was Juliet's growth as a character. In the opening teaser when Ben says "I guess this means I am out of the book club", Juliet looks much weaker (in her facial expression) and she looks down, showing submission. She doesn't quite have the confidence to voice her concerns like she did at the book club.
However by the end of the episode when Ben says "Good work Juliet", her expression is much more defiant and gives the impression that they are more 'equal' in terms of standing. I liked that growth, I expect we will get an island flashback at some point showing what has catalysed her growth as a character. Perhaps she was the erstwhile leader of the Others while Ben was in the hatch?
I think Ben realises that Juliet could be a problem to his long term ambitions of leadership which is why he closed the door on her in the Hydra leaving her to drown.

I am theorising. Sorry.
Matt

I think Ben realises that Juliet could be a problem to his long term ambitions of leadership which is why he closed the door on her in the Hydra leaving her to
I think that was part of the "plan"...Ben seemingly to leave Juliet to the flood, so that when she found a way out and helped Jack out as well, it would plant the seeds of trust (for Juliet) within Jack. Tricky...but effective?

Or, maybe Ben is just a jerk, and didn't really care whether she, or both of them, actually drowned, and that move planted the seeds (within Juliet) for her to turn on Ben. :biggrin:

Now, back to Jacket. What did you think of the end of the premiere? That whole conversation with Ben (teehee)? What was she trying to do, to find?

My take on that is that she was supposed to gain his trust, break him as well as she could. And she certainly did a great job at that, right? Only it still can backfire on her, if she develops a care for her captive...

Personally I didn't really like the anti-climax of the end. I would have much rather had a musical montage of the captured LOSTies. Sawyer/Kate/Jack/Juliet. I think it would have been quite powerful if they were all seen to be 'helping' each other. Then they could have had Juliet leave the cell and walk away with Ole Creepy watching her.

I think what that scene was intended to do was point out the tension between Ben and Juliet for the viewers who hadn't quite cottoned on to it. What it symbolised for me was Juliet's growth as a character. In the opening teaser when Ben says "I guess this means I am out of the book club", Juliet looks much weaker (in her facial expression) and she looks down, showing submission. She doesn't quite have the confidence to voice her concerns like she did at the book club.
However by the end of the episode when Ben says "Good work Juliet", her expression is much more defiant and gives the impression that they are more 'equal' in terms of standing. I liked that growth, I expect we will get an island flashback at some point showing what has catalysed her growth as a character. Perhaps she was the erstwhile leader of the Others while Ben was in the hatch?
I think Ben realises that Juliet could be a problem to his long term ambitions of leadership which is why he closed the door on her in the Hydra leaving her to drown.

I am theorising. Sorry.
Matt

Hm... very thoughtful.

Yes, she did seem much more weaker earlier (but that was 60+ days ago) than she did at the end of the episode. Maybe she somehow confronted him between then, showed that she had the power. I find it kinda disgusting for people to think that BEN and JULIET had a relationship :rolleyes:. She doesn't seem his type, but anyway, I think the tension between them is because of something different.

Here's a quote of hers:

Well, Adam, I am the host. And I do pick the book. And this is my favorite book, so I am absolutely thrilled that you can't stand it. Silly me for sinking so low as to select something that Ben wouldn't like. Here I am thinking that free will actually still exists on...

So somehow, Ben has taken away their free will to do whatever they want. Could this be why he is the leader? He must've done something to get that power. And Juliet obviously doesn't like it, so she may be some sort of rebel (like Alex) in the group. So this ties into the confrontation I mentioned earlier, why she is more rebelious, why she had a more defiant look at the end. Juliet doesn't want to be just one of his minions, she wants to have free will.

And her leader of the other while he was gone? It's possible. That may also attribute to a more rebelious attitude that she didn't have in the beginning, where Ben was ruining her life when he wasn't even in the room (i.e. quote from book club). If after he was kidnapped, she's probably come up to leader, she does seem the type. But then why'd she work so hard to get Ben back? They even used Michael to do it.

Oh, and the water thing? I see two possible reasons for Ben closing the door on Juliet. 1) He hated her and thought it would be funny to see them both drown. OR 2) It was planned. By closing the door on her, it would seem to Jack that she didn't really belong to the group like he did. That would make her more trustworthy, and he'd open up to her more, like he did when she had that packet of information.

I feel like I'm kinda rambling, so I'll just stop now. :biggrin: This is probably the most thoughtful post I have written here at the Lage.
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DARN! And I have to go now. Shall read any replies later!

I think that was part of the "plan"...Ben seemingly to leave Juliet to the flood, so that when she found a way out and helped Jack out as well, it would plant the seeds of trust (for Juliet) within Jack. Tricky...but effective?

Or, maybe Ben is just a jerk, and didn't really care whether she, or both of them, actually drowned, and that move planted the seeds (within Juliet) for her to turn on Ben. :biggrin:

My take on that is that she was supposed to gain his trust, break him as well as she could. And she certainly did a great job at that, right? Only it still can backfire on her, if she develops a care for her captive...

Oh, and the water thing? I see two possible reasons for Ben closing the door on Juliet. 1) He hated her and thought it would be funny to see them both drown. OR 2) It was planned. By closing the door on her, it would seem to Jack that she didn't really belong to the group like he did. That would make her more trustworthy, and he'd open up to her more, like he did when she had that packet of information.


It seems I am slightly out voted on the 'it was planned' idea. One of the principle reasons why I don't think the 'drowning' was planned was because Juliet was genuinely scared about opening the hatch. It was the only time in the episode where we saw her lose it. Then she ran after Ben, to escape, and he closed the door on her. She was bashing the door to get out.

If the situation inside the underwater hatch was planned, then Juliet was definately not involved in the plan. If Henry was watching Jack on the camera (which I believe he was) then he would have seen Jack take a hostage and came through trying to avert the situation.

I strongly dislike Ben, so perhaps I am biased. However closing the door struck me as a concious decision to save his own life. He knew that if they survived there could only be good consequences and if they died he would no longer have to worry about Juliet challenging him.

And her leader of the other while he was gone? It's possible. That may also attribute to a more rebelious attitude that she didn't have in the beginning, where Ben was ruining her life when he wasn't even in the room (i.e. quote from book club). If after he was kidnapped, she's probably come up to leader, she does seem the type. But then why'd she work so hard to get Ben back? They even used Michael to do it.

Thats a good question. Perhaps Juliet was well aware that she could only keep control of The Others if it seemed like she was conciously trying to get Ben back. Something - I don't know what - has made Juliet much stronger and I have the feeling it may prove significant.

Darn it, I wish we could post pictures here!

Ah, well...I've just started trying my hand at PaintShop, and this is what I came up with...hope everyone likes! :redface:

Jacket Banner (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/kelkatone/jacketbanner2.png).

Oooooh can I join this ship too?? :biggrin: I loved the scenes between Jack and Juliet! Juliet is an awesome character, and I liked Jack again, too.

I don't know if the whole opening the door to let the water in was planned, but I'm guessing Ben knew that they wouldn't drown when he locked Juliet out. Ben needs Jack for something and I think he actually likes/respects Jack as much as Ben is capable of liking/respecting anyone. He's not going to let him die his first day in captivity.

Juliet did her job, she broke him, for now. I would be surprised if Jack stays broken for very long.

Darn it, I wish we could post pictures here!

Ah, well...I've just started trying my hand at PaintShop, and this is what I came up with...hope everyone likes! :redface:

Jacket Banner (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/kelkatone/jacketbanner2.png).

This is great, she has such a kind expression on her face... Too bad he looks so fearce though, but I'm still loving it!

I wanna join the ship, but I wanna change my user name first, :lol: Who should I PM? Im no longer a jater, Im all skate and jacket!

I wanna join the ship, but I wanna change my user name first, :lol: Who should I PM? Im no longer a jater, Im all skate and jacket!
KER!!! YAY!!!

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Welcome new members!

Darn it, I wish we could post pictures here!

Ah, well...I've just started trying my hand at PaintShop, and this is what I came up with...hope everyone likes! :redface:

Jacket Banner (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y186/kelkatone/jacketbanner2.png).

Aww, thats so pretty Icekat :D

I wanna join the ship, but I wanna change my user name first, :lol: Who should I PM? Im no longer a jater, Im all skate and jacket!

Go to the Questions for Admins and Mods board and start a new thread requesting a change and what you want to change it to. That's it, basically.

I am trying to think of songs for my Jacket music vid - does anyone have any ideas?

I am trying to think of songs for my Jacket music vid - does anyone have any ideas?
Depends...what's the vid premise? Romance, fluff, angst...?

Romance - I really want Jacket to get together... how very manly of me lol :rolleyes:

Romance - I really want Jacket to get together... how very manly of me lol :rolleyes:
Hey, the world needs more sensitive men like you! :hug:

I love the song 'Safe and Sound' (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sherylcrow/safeandsound.html) by Sheryl Crow...not sure if it's entirely applicable, but still, it's a great song! :smile:

You guys should probably wait at least until you find out whether or not Juliet's intentions toward Jack are of the evil/diabolical variety before you start riding them off into the sunset in music videos. Yes?


For all we know Jack did something to her or a family member back in the real world and she wants revenge. Seems like all these creepy island people bumped into Jack at some point back in the real world. Wasn't the cop in the flashback the same guy that was at the book club meeting? They looked the same to me.

You guys should probably wait at least until you find out whether or not Juliet's intentions toward Jack are of the evil/diabolical variety before you start riding them off into the sunset in music videos. Yes?
Well, that being the case, with the unpredictability of this show, it's writers and PTB...we'd NEVER have any music vids, for any couple! :lol:

Well, that being the case, with the unpredictability of this show, it's writers and PTB...we'd NEVER have any music vids, for any couple! :lol:

Well said Icekat :) - it seems that some people don't appreciate romanticism. I think everyone is just jealous of our top-of-the-line Jacket ship.

Matt

Well no, that's not true. We know Kate doesn't have any ill intentions toward Jack or Sawyer so those videos aren't going to seem out of place regardless of which guy she ends up with, but.........


if Juliet secretly wants to torture and maim Jack then videos set to sweet, fluffy lyrics would seem a bit out of place. Hmmm........maybe Jack's wife was cheating with Juliet's husband back in the real world. Yeah, too soap operaish. Imagine the conversation:

Jack: So Juliet, what did your husband have that I didn't?

Juliet: I'd have to get to know you a little more personally to make that comparison Jack. ;)


Passport - I appreciate romanticism, but this is LOST so you will have to forgive me for remaining skeptical about Juliet's true intentions.

Well no, that's not true. We know Kate doesn't have any ill intentions toward Jack or Sawyer so those videos aren't going to seem out of place regardless of which guy she ends up with, but.........


I take it you haven't heard the 'Kate is an Other' theory? ;) - okay so now I'm being pedantic. I understand your concerns flyer, but how can it be said that any of the characters can be accused of having obscure motives.
The classic example of this was Libby and the Hurlibees ship. She loved Hurley. However before Dave she was forever being accused of being evil. Poor Libby.
I wonder how long it will be until Juliet is cleared.

It does amaze me how quickly people have put on this new Jacket. The number of pages is pretty astonishing. Kudos to the actors and the writers on this.

One more thing: I believe Matt Fox gave an award winning performance in the last epi, but we can't forget that Emmys aren't usually handed out for monologues. They usually are given because an actor has played a role with other actors that allowed showcasing of talent. In this instance, if MF gets an Emmy nod, which I think he should, it's because Elizabeth gave him such perfect backup. It takes two to tango and it (usually0 takes at least two to give an Emmy winning performance.

Romance smomance. I just loved the way these two actors used their talents with each other.

I just loved the way these two actors used their talents with each other.

Exactly. Why does it have to go beyond that after just one episode? Just trying to keep an open mind, not trying to burst anyone's bubble.


If Juliet's intentions are of the diabolical variety she could very well seduce our hero to gain his trust and accidentally feel things for him she wasn't supposed to which would leave her conflicted and wondering what to do next.

Exactly. Why does it have to go beyond that after just one episode? Just trying to keep an open mind, not trying to burst anyone's bubble.
Chemistry between actors (especially romantic chemistry) can't be created on paper...it has to flow naturally between them in order for it to show up on screen. IMO, Josh and Evie have that, which is what makes the Skate pairing so compelling, and I thought Foxy and Elizabeth had a similar spark. If their storyline does turn romantic, then I think it'll work, in a big way, because of the rapport between the actors. That's what I'm hoping for. If the writers choose to waste that potential, then so be it...I think it'd be a shame, but I'm sure I'll still enjoy the Jack/Juliet interactions anyway.



If Juliet's intentions are of the diabolical variety she could very well seduce our hero to gain his trust and accidentally feel things for him she wasn't supposed to which would leave her conflicted and wondering what to do next.

The eyes are the window to the soul...and in pretty much all of her scenes, Juliet's eyes didn't say "diabolical" to me. :smile:

Matt and Evi have had and continue to have incredible chemistry and I'm not sure why some refuse to see that, but 2,304,402,403, 303 magazine covers don't lie. There have been sparks since the first scene and they continue to make the audience squirm with anticipation in their scenes together.

I liked Matt's chemistry with EM too and I really liked the way they played off of one another, but it was just one episode the character currently has very deep feelings for Kate so it will take more than some water and a cheese sandwich to get him to forget about her I'm afraid.


Even Matt said the potentional for romance with Juliet is there, but it's way down the line. Of course he could've been lying and knew at that point that he was going to get busy with Juliet. ;) I kind of like the idea of two women fighting over Jack.

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I kind of like the idea of two women fighting over Jack.

Ugh, goodness, I sincerely hope not...IMO, that'd be one of the most trite things they could come up with. I think Dharma, the Others and the Losties have much more compelling secrets to tell without it turning into 'Days Of Our Island Lives'... ;)

Matt and Evi have had and continue to have incredible chemistry and I'm not sure why some refuse to see that, but 2,304,402,403, 303 magazine covers don't lie. There have been sparks since the first scene and they continue to make the audience squirm with anticipation in their scenes together.

I liked Matt's chemistry with EM too and I really liked the way they played off of one another, but it was just one episode the character currently has very deep feelings for Kate so it will take more than some water and a cheese sandwich to get him to forget about her I'm afraid.


Even Matt said the potentional for romance with Juliet is there, but it's way down the line. Of course he could've been lying and knew at that point that he was going to get busy with Juliet. ;) I kind of like the idea of two women fighting over Jack.


I don't think its people refusing to see as much as it people don't see it the way some do. I acknowledge people see "incredible chemistry" between Foxy and Evi, I however don't see it. Jack and Kate scenes make me squirm, but not in a good way. Its just personal taste. I think the writers, or I hope the writers have better plans for Jack/Juliet/Kate then to have them in an another love triangle.

It does amaze me how quickly people have put on this new Jacket. The number of pages is pretty astonishing. Kudos to the actors and the writers on this.

One more thing: I believe Matt Fox gave an award winning performance in the last epi, but we can't forget that Emmys aren't usually handed out for monologues. They usually are given because an actor has played a role with other actors that allowed showcasing of talent. In this instance, if MF gets an Emmy nod, which I think he should, it's because Elizabeth gave him such perfect backup. It takes two to tango and it (usually0 takes at least two to give an Emmy winning performance.

Romance smomance. I just loved the way these two actors used their talents with each other.

It would be great if Lost wins another Emmy. MF should definately get one for best actress!

But anyway, I was watching "Best Week Ever" and they were making fun of LOST!!!! They said that the beginning was amazing (YAY! MF!!!!!) But no questions were answered, and only irrelevant ones were asked.

"Where are my friends?"

"What happened to my clothes?"

"Why am I wearing a dress?"

Blah... blah... blah...

But we did learn they have houses. And that they were once part of Dharma. That counts for something?

Oh, and so is the birth of JACKET. The best ship ever.

Okay silly question, but since we are on board with the Jacket thing, what shall we call ourselves? I kinda like the sound of Jacketeer myself. *winks*

When she lifted his head out of the water, I was going "awww." This is the first time ever that I wasn't going for coffee during Jack's scenes. LOL.

You mean like this (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l51/Hurleydude4815/normal_citiespromo-55i9o8.jpg)? Awww....

It would be great if Lost wins another Emmy. MF should definately get one for best actress!

But anyway, I was watching "Best Week Ever" and they were making fun of LOST!!!! They said that the beginning was amazing (YAY! MF!!!!!) But no questions were answered, and only irrelevant ones were asked.

"Where are my friends?"

"What happened to my clothes?"

"Why am I wearing a dress?"

Blah... blah... blah...

But we did learn they have houses. And that they were once part of Dharma. That counts for something?

Oh, and so is the birth of JACKET. The best ship ever.

LOL that sounds awesome. :biggrin:

Okay silly question, but since we are on board with the Jacket thing, what shall we call ourselves? I kinda like the sound of Jacketeer myself. *winks*

And for female (me, not included) can be Jackettes

Okay silly question, but since we are on board with the Jacket thing, what shall we call ourselves? I kinda like the sound of Jacketeer myself. *winks*
That's what I put in our opening post, but if everyone agrees on something else, I'll certainly change it!

As it is, I also like Jacketeers. :)

I was kidding about


two women fighting over Jack. I find romance to be the least most interesting thing about LOST and cannot wait for the triangle nonsense to end.

I was kidding about


two women fighting over Jack. I find romance to be the least most interesting thing about LOST and cannot wait for the triangle nonsense to end.


Isn't this supposed to be a darker, more romantic, and action-y season of Lost? Or was it just action? Or darkness? Or romance? :confused:

Maybe it will be a 'dark romance'?

Sorry....:D

LOL. I thought it was funny. Maybe a dark romance with a lot of action. ;) If you catch my drift. *nudge* *nudge*

Dark romance with a lot of action? LOL

Um, okay, as long as it's not every episode. I'm not sure I can handle active, dark romance from Rose and Bernard. ;)

Ah, the deleted Rose and Bernard love scene (listen to old ABC Lost podcasts, you'll understand :wink:).

I just had a vision of Jack and Juliet kissing! *sigh* This ship better come true. It would be purrrrrfect. ((WTF was THAT?))

A dark romance with 'action'? Sign me up please. Har har.

Did anyone else just wonder why Juliet was so upset and trying to keep it together in her mirror scene? It was a wonderful way to make us all sympathetic to her character straight away. It was obvious that all was not well in Otherville for her. And I loved her line about free will at the book club. I really really think that she and Jack are actually going to end up on the same page regarding the themes of individual free will and self determination vs destiny/conformity for the greater good.

It's all well and good to believe in working towards a greater good, but at what cost to the individual. What is acceptable collateral? It seems clear to me that Benry is more focused on achieving collective goals by any means necessary, whereas I have a sneaking suspicion that Juliet is more a proponent for people making their own choices and drawing the line at the 'ends justifies the means' argument.

I think this is the dichotomy of Other thought we will see explored with Juliet (and possibly Jack) on one side vs Benry and his followers. I just get the feeling that while she is currently doing as she is told and breaking Jack and chipping down his walls to gain his trust, that she is also going to genuinely come to care for and trust Jack and he will eventually given her trust as well. Call it a hunch.

ETA: Anyone who hasn't rated this thread and is a member should do so, I notice someone's been giving us one stars to bring our rating down. :rolleyes:

Ooooo. I bet it's the JATERS. Shouldn't say that. There's SO many of them. Heck, I'M one.

But anyway, great thoughts! I just hope it works out that way.

If, this went anywhere, and it's TPTB's decision, I think it would be a clandestine love affair.
I got a slight vibe, I'm not totally jumping up and down on this relationship yet. BUT, it has potential as does any coupling. It's out there and we can all appreciate great acting and they do have some kind of chemistry. I welcome the chance to see where this goes. I actually enjoyed Jack's scenes with her. It made him more human and less the super hero. It humbled him. He can't always be the one that saves the day and "fixes" everything. He needs a breather. Juliet can or might give him that opportunity to just be himself.

ETA: Anyone who hasn't rated this thread and is a member should do so, I notice someone's been giving us one stars to bring our rating down. :rolleyes:

Done Z. I like Jacket - Juliet is already changing my opinions of Jack, I think Jack is seen in a much better light and this seems to be as a result of his interactions already with this woman. I do want to see this side of Jack more, one that I can see as a more realistic character in fact and a more interesting one too - maybe I only saw his darker side before but I like the possibilities attached to Jack with Juliet, definitely good chemistry and hopefully plenty of scenes together to come.
Can I become a member here please IceKat?

Heya MSF, glad to have you on board!

Isn't this supposed to be a darker, more romantic, and action-y season of Lost? Or was it just action? Or darkness? Or romance? :confused:

I think TPTB actually said it would be lighter this season, as last season was darker....

so... which sounds better: Dark romance with 'action' or Light romance with 'action'? ;)

One of the things I have liked about Jacket, just from those scenes in ATOTC is that Jack can't hide behind his doctor/leader demeanour. Notice in the past 60 days or so, how much about his past has he shared with anyone on the island? Not a heck of a lot. He told Kate his dad died. Claire something about a girlfriend accusing him of sleeptalking. Sun something about his ring being lost and him having a new one made. And Desmond about marrying Sarah.

He has been extremely cagey and closed off about his past and I think it's important for him to be able to open up to someone about the man he was before. With Juliet, so much of that is already laid bare. He can't hide anymore. So they can cut to the chase about the important stuff. To what really matters. What they believe in, what they want to fight for and so on,

And in turn Juliet doesn't seem to have judged him for his 'life' sheet. "It doesn't matter who we were, but who we ARE." Echoes of what he once told Kate but didn't put into practice?

I think TPTB actually said it would be lighter this season, as last season was darker....

so... which sounds better: Dark romance with 'action' or Light romance with 'action'? ;)

Oooh, I vote for dark romance with action. Dunno why, it just sounds cooler. :biggrin:

Here's my take on it.

This could be his chance at something. It's not childish on Kate's part what I'm about to say, but Jack belongs with someone a bit more mature. Juliet is that perfect person. Kate still has some growing up and self discovery to do. I think they have both shared moments that have shown her she can grow as a person, but she still can't quite let it go. (to coin the phrase) Juliet, has the potential to let him feel free of that constant protector role or being responsible. Sometimes Kate doesn't seem to want that from him.

Excellent observation, Car. I hadn't thought of that, but you are absolutely correct. Both Sawyer and Kate a bit immature. Jack isn't immature at all. Stubborn, hot-headed and control freak, but not immature. :thumbup:

Can I become a member here please IceKat?
Done...welcome aboard!

Excellent observation, Car. I hadn't thought of that, but you are absolutely correct. Both Sawyer and Kate a bit immature. Jack isn't immature at all. Stubborn, hot-headed and control freak, but not immature. :thumbup: Yep, I see him more and appreciate him more that they show this vunerable side. The fact he had the flashbacks he did and what Juliet gave him that he really was searching for the whole time. No wonder he cried when Desmond asked if he fixed her. He really tried. He just couldn't finish the big picture. This may be his chance to see himself in a better light. Of course, that is, if she (Juliet) is for real. And not just playing a mind game. But the look she gave Ben (I still can't make myself say that name) at the end of the season, gives me hope she is for real.

Heya MSF, glad to have you on board!

Thanks Car. :biggrin:

Here's my take on it.

This could be his chance at something. It's not childish on Kate's part what I'm about to say, but Jack belongs with someone a bit more mature. Juliet is that perfect person. Kate still has some growing up and self discovery to do. I think they have both shared moments that have shown her she can grow as a person, but she still can't quite let it go. (to coin the phrase) Juliet, has the potential to let him feel free of that constant protector role or being responsible. Sometimes Kate doesn't seem to want that from him.

This makes sense. Juliet seems to be on more of an equal footing with Jack - she's able for him - an essential ingredient in any relationship, potential or otherwise.

ETA: Thanks IceKat too :biggrin:

Yep, I see him more and appreciate him more that they show this vunerable side. The fact he had the flashbacks he did and what Juliet gave him that he really was searching for the whole time. No wonder he cried when Desmond asked if he fixed her. He really tried. He just couldn't finish the big picture. This may be his chance to see himself in a better light.
This was something that I really liked about Jack in this episode...he wasn't quite so "Knight In Shining Armor"ly perfect, his faults were more obvious, and Juliet helped him to begin working through them. In the end, he realized...all that mattered was whether or not Sarah was happy.

Here's my take on it.

This could be his chance at something. It's not childish on Kate's part what I'm about to say, but Jack belongs with someone a bit more mature. Juliet is that perfect person. Kate still has some growing up and self discovery to do. I think they have both shared moments that have shown her she can grow as a person, but she still can't quite let it go. (to coin the phrase) Juliet, has the potential to let him feel free of that constant protector role or being responsible. Sometimes Kate doesn't seem to want that from him.

I completely agree. I also think Kate may just have too much baggage for him right now. I know everyone on that island is going to have baggage, but the nature of Kate's seems to gel more with Sawyer than Jack. Kate will need a great deal of support and nurturing to get to where she needs to be. Jack has enough to fix within himself right now without having to try to fix someone else yet again, IMHO.

This was something that I really liked about Jack in this episode...he wasn't quite so "Knight In Shining Armor"ly perfect, his faults were more obvious, and Juliet helped him to begin working through them. In the end, he realized...all that mattered was whether or not Sarah was happy.

Exactly! It wasn't about knowing who "he" was, it was "Is she happy?" That was such a great moment from him. That scene, just that bit, made me misty. I saw him change before my eyes. He let go a bit of the ugliness that has been on his shoulders since Sarah told him she was seeing someone else. It was like he could almost breathe again.


I completely agree. I also think Kate may just have too much baggage for him right now. I know everyone on that island is going to have baggage, but the nature of Kate's seems to gel more with Sawyer than Jack. Kate will need a great deal of support and nurturing to get to where she needs to be. Jack has enough to fix within himself right now without having to try to fix someone else yet again, IMHO.

Totally, I hate that he always felt the pressure to lead, and be the one that had to carry all the morals and be the one to find the water, it's so Surivorish, the one that is the leader doesn't always do to good. They have to know when to step down a bit, even if it's for just a short time, and just be themselves. No one can live like that 100% of the time, and not suffer some sort of melt down at some point. He's too good of a person, really, to have that happen.

but the nature of Kate's seems to gel more with Sawyer than Jack.
Yep. Who better to help a murderer who didn't really exactly mean to murder than another person in the same place? And who better to help someone who has a need to be in control of himself all the time than someone who is clearly experienced with both conrol and being controlled.

Yep. Who better to help a murderer who didn't really exactly mean to murder than another person in the same place? And who better to help a control freak than someone who is clearly experienced with both conrol and being controlled.

My JATE/SKATE/JACKET philosphy:

Sawyer can have Kate, as long as Jack can have Juliet. If not. I will be like this for five months>>> :mad:

Hi everyone! :wavey:

I wanted to join in and say how much I enjoyed the scenes with Jack and Juliet. Elizabeth's acting is fantastic, and this is a side of Jack I appreciate more than his more bullying side. I think Juliet has a chance to humble him, in a good way.

I'm not signing aboard this ship just yet, only because I seem to have bad luck with start-up ships: Chana and Hurlibees both died before they truly set sail. :( So I'll wait at least another episode before claiming my number!

Oh, and I voted for the thread to have more stars. I thought ships were only for people who wanted to join or support them, and that criticizing them was considered poor form on message boards. What gives?

((Psst! I think it's all the JATE's faults. Hoping all the SKATE people are giving us stars. :biggrin:))

Just don't tell anyone. :wink:

Hi everyone! :wavey:

I wanted to join in and say how much I enjoyed the scenes with Jack and Juliet. Elizabeth's acting is fantastic, and this is a side of Jack I appreciate more than his more bullying side. I think Juliet has a chance to humble him, in a good way.

I'm not signing aboard this ship just yet, only because I seem to have bad luck with start-up ships: Chana and Hurlibees both died before they truly set sail. :( So I'll wait at least another episode before claiming my number!

Oh, and I voted for the thread to have more stars. I thought ships were only for people who wanted to join or support them, and that criticizing them was considered poor form on message boards. What gives?

Hey Jen, understand about not wanting to totally unpack your bags and take up a cabin on the ship. I haven't either really. I just do see a ship in the harbor and it's just taking on cargo right now. We'll see if it can set sail or not later. So I'm with you in that respect. As for the voting, I pretty much ignore the stars anyway. If you like the thread enough, you'll come back regardless if it has 5 stars or none. I have many threads I visit and participate on that do not have any "rating" whatsoever.

I know it doesn't really mean anything, but personally I don't know why people bother rating a thread 2 or 1, especially when they aren't interested in the thread at all anyway. Seems peevish. *shrugs*

I'm really glad to see this thread catch a fire, and people showing their appreciation for the way the two actors played off one another on screen--setting the romantic potential on the back burner. If it happens cool, if it doesn't fine...just as long as these two actors/characters continue to bring the compelling chemistry they share to the screen.

Btw, this Skater rated the thread a five star, too. ;)

I know. :biggrin: I think it's great we have a bunch of dedicated posters here. Maybe some of you will read my Jacket fan fic when I'm done. :biggrin: ((Still need to start...))

Gosh darn it! Get to it sjb121590! :thumbup1:

I have seen some great banners and icons already cropping up. It would seem that some fans really are liking the interaction between this two enough to get creative. Let's hope they have many more dramatic scenes together.

Funny how grilled cheese sandwiches just seem like a Jacket thing now. Like the Skate fish biscuit and the Jate Guava seeds. *chuckles*

So some people think Juliet might have been with Ethan? It's possible, but somehow...considering how he related to Claire I doubt it. Also wasn't there some scenes in Maternity leave with Ethan wearing a labcoat? And Benry in an operating theatre. I need to go back and rewatch now.

I'll just start it now then. LOL.

I just read a comment over on TWoP about Juliet and Benry's relationship (them being siblings) and Juliet making the decision to trade Walt to get Benry back. I found the idea interesting and refreshing--something I hope the writers intend by unfolding their history with one another. Because another love triangle in any form...please, for the love of Pete...no. Just no.

PB&J with the peanut butter, Skate and the fish biscuit and Jacket with the grilled cheese....the food of love. However it would look a little strange if you put it all together but it might make for a cute icon. :D

I'm glad you all liked my 'dark romance' thingie.

Now could someone telll me what exactly a 'dark' romance is?

I have seen some great banners and icons already cropping up.
Yeah, do you mind sharing some links? I put a Juliet icon in, but it was just a screen capture. I'd like something nicer. :)

There are some earlier in the thread. I posted a link, and someone else... erm, I can't think of her name...

Hehe Elfdream, yes, that would be funny to have a Lost shippers banquet.

I personally have always been into 'dark' edgy romances. Which I guess is why C/C doesn't appeal to me but I can see why it would appeal to others. I like angst, difficult circumstances, characters that spark and snark. So for me dark would mean two characters who have a million reasons not to be together, and yet somehow something keeps drawing them back towards each other, for good or ill. A push/pull type of thing.

Darbi: Juliet deciding to give up Walt for Ben, that would be brilliant and give us a concrete reason for why there is a clash going on between Benry and Juliet (since he obviously did not like the decision).

ETA: I am at work right now, but I know there are some awesome banners/icons posted in the Jacket thread at Lost-Forum.

Oooo. My fan fic is coming along nicely so far. :biggrin:

Hehe Elfdream, yes, that would be funny to have a Lost shippers banquet.

I personally have always been into 'dark' edgy romances. Which I guess is why C/C doesn't appeal to me but I can see why it would appeal to others. I like angst, difficult circumstances, characters that spark and snark. So for me dark would mean two characters who have a million reasons not to be together, and yet somehow something keeps drawing them back towards each other, for good or ill. A push/pull type of thing.

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I think that is the reason they have the C/C ship in the midst of all the angst. Its a contrast to the other romances. Light and dark. You have to have a balance. Balance is good and you have to appeal to a wide range of fans.

I myself don't like the angst and spark but I don't mind the 'love in desperate situation' scenarios. For example..Juliet and Jack caught in a crossfire between the others and the losties. Neither one can 'really' join the others world...that kind of thing.

Wow. This thread has grown and its not even an official 'ship' yet...and there are lots of posters like me who are just waiting in the wings to see what is going to happen.

I think that is the reason they have the C/C ship in the midst of all the angst. Its a contrast to the other romances. Light and dark. You have to have a balance. Balance is good and you have to appeal to a wide range of fans.

I myself don't like the angst and spark but I don't mind the 'love in desperate situation' scenarios. For example..Juliet and Jack caught in a crossfire between the others and the losties. Neither one can 'really' join the others world...that kind of thing.

Wow. This thread has grown and its not even an official 'ship' yet...and there are lots of posters like me who are just waiting in the wings to see what is going to happen.

Waiting. I hear for Juliet, we should watch for the last scene of this coming ep according to Greg, saw the post on the Jater thread earlier. I have to keep up with his posts, I always forget, I was glad to have caught that. Thanks to whoever posted it, Shoe, I think it was Shoegirl who brought it there. That makes me wonder if she may be that disenfranchised about the whole society enviornment they have created or however it came to be. Give her a reason to want to get away. Jack could do that for her as well. He could make her want to live a life outside of Ben's world. (I do think he's more in charge then we have seen)

Oh, gregg's tease about the last scene in Episode?

I presume it's about:

Claire walking past Jack's tent and finding Nikki and Paulo making noisy love. Which would be a great 'WTH?' moment and lead us into the next ep which is going to be Beach Losties heavy. That's my guess anyway.

Oh, gregg's tease about the last scene in Episode?

I presume it's about:

Claire walking past Jack's tent and finding Nikki and Paulo making noisy love. Which would be a great 'WTH?' moment and lead us into the next ep which is going to be Beach Losties heavy. That's my guess anyway.

Darn it, I forgot all about that tidbit. Thanks Z. Shoot, It probably is. Ah, well.

I presume it is about:


The offer Henry is going to make to Jack.

Flyer, that's a good point, but I presumed that would be in the meat of the episode. Still I can imagine a great push in close up on Jack's face (not giving away his answer - so we can find out in ep 4) if that were so.

I'm just guessing based on


some spoiler I read a couple of weeks ago where the episode is supposed to end with some offer Henry makes to Jack that will be hard for him to refuse. It appears the meat of the episode is going to be Sayid, Sun and Jin trying to rescue them, but it's hard to tell based on television previews because they most often aren't what they seem. Is this the episode where Claire finds the ...err....activity in Jack's tent?

I don't think that
Claire's "discovery" would make for a proper last scene, especially considering how dire circumstances are right now. Besides, we're gonna be at Otherville and with Sayid/Jin/Sun for the most part.

If it's what some of you are thinking
then Benry's offer to Jack would be along the lines of, "you save our guy's life in the O.R., then I'll. . ." But I'm not sure this is the offer TPTB are talking about. Still, it WOULD make sense. Of course, since when did LOST make sense? :dizzy:

I can just imagine a Jack/Juliet scene where he goes to her house for dinner. Of course, he'll never get to eat, as she'd burn the whole thing! :D

Oh, gregg's tease about the last scene in Episode?

I presume it's about:

Claire walking past Jack's tent and finding Nikki and Paulo making noisy love. Which would be a great 'WTH?' moment and lead us into the next ep which is going to be Beach Losties heavy. That's my guess anyway.

I actually thought the last scene would be

Hurley finding Desmond naked in the jungle. :D :o How's that for an ending?

I actually thought the last scene would be

Hurley finding Desmond naked in the jungle. :D :o How's that for an ending?
Now THAT is what I'm hoping for!!!! *droooooools* :biggrin:

But didn't Gregg imply that it would be Juliet-related, or am I remembering his post wrong...?

*off to check*

Does someone mind posting the link to that response from Gregg? I have no clue which thread it is in. Thanks!

I will definitely check out the recommendations for icons you all gave me. Thanks! :smile:

I think that is the reason they have the C/C ship in the midst of all the angst. Its a contrast to the other romances. Light and dark. You have to have a balance. Balance is good and you have to appeal to a wide range of fans.

I myself don't like the angst and spark but I don't mind the 'love in desperate situation' scenarios. For example..Juliet and Jack caught in a crossfire between the others and the losties. Neither one can 'really' join the others world...that kind of thing.

Wow. This thread has grown and its not even an official 'ship' yet...and there are lots of posters like me who are just waiting in the wings to see what is going to happen.
What I like is that they made a real point of showing us that the tension between Juliet and Ben existed before the plane crash. Now we can watch to see how this may, or may not, be exacerbated by issues relating to the Losties. With what we know so far from only one episode, I find it hard even to speculate on the chances that Juliet might be so disaffected as to affiliate herself with the Losties eventually.

I've tried to come up with:


what it is that Henry could want Jack to do that would be a real choice for him. If someone were sick he wouldn't need to be bribed into helping, he'd spring into doctor mode and just do whatever he could so if that's part of the offer the writers have slipped up. However, if Henry wants Jack to do something he would consider medically unethical then it becomes believable. Suggesting Henry is going to offer to set Kate and Sawyer free if Jack will agree to stay seems too easy as well so that brings us back to medically unethical. Should be interesting....

Flyer:

Yes, I agree that the choice offered him has to be something that puts him into conflict if he chooses YES. The offer is 'tempting', but it has to have some moral/ethical quandary attached as you have surmised. It can't be ALL good otherwise he'd just agree to it without a care, right?

The spoilers do seem to tell us that he is forced to operate, and we have seen him marched somewhere with Juliet in scrubs...so...I am very intrigued by what they may wish him to do, and what Benry could offer him that would give him pause. I wonder if Juliet would have any influence in making this offer, but I suspect it's going to be all Benry this time.

ETA: Fricksgurl75 posted this in the Skate thread, but I think it has great resonance for Jacket too:

Both Jack and Juliet, and Sawyer and Kate in that epi proved that you didn't need to be able to touch to make a connection. For the former, a glass wall separates them, sort of mirroring the wall Jack always has around him. And for the latter, pyhsical distance mirroring Sawyer's attempt to keep emotional distance. But in the end neither worked did they? Eventually you get through the wall, or bridge the distance. It's all about the emotional bonds being made here

Does someone mind posting the link to that response from Gregg? I have no clue which thread it is in. Thanks!

I will definitely check out the recommendations for icons you all gave me. Thanks! :smile:

I think this is it

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=59009

I think this is it

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=59009

It does seem she may have something to do with the cliffhanger.

((Almost done the fac fic ;) Getting down to the Jacket now. :biggrin: ))
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Okay, it's done, and is very nice if I say so myself. I still need my friend to edit it, and she's getting on at 8:30, so it'll be posted 'round nine. :)

A Jacket question I posted to Gregg: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=59597

My Jacket Fan Fiction: http://www.freewebs.com/sjb121590/jacketfanfiction.htm

Tarhiliel made a Jacket vid!! 'Wreck Of the Day' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0ssesgtiE8). :smile: