Ok. I'm throwing this out there. I made a partial list on othe Long Lost List. (the list would go on and on)

Has anyone else notice the lights, lamps, candles. Not something I usually pay attemtion to. But I noticed in Claire's 1st dream in RBA the lamp that Locke had next to her was the same lamp that was in the Psychic's. It makes sense that she would transfer it to her dream. Because I go back and look at tapes to get answers I started to notice how many flashbacks were lit with lamps. Light on. Jack in his Dad's hotel room, Claire waking up and taking the psychic's call, Locke sitting in bed talking to Helen. There's tons, even last night candlelight.

I just think light is a clue. Seeing things in a different light.

If you were a writer and you needed someone to guess or get them to start looking at something, how would you go about it? Planting a seed.

Vincent didn't set off the trap. Boone saw the grass move but never saw what it was. He would have seen Vincent.

Consider the possibilities.

Spot on...

Maybe the writers are trying to say that all the characters see things in the same light. Could it be possible that they have a latent unknown ability to see things other's can't. OOuuuu they can see things THE Others can't.

Wow... that has lots of possibilities.

you lost me for a second, then the light came on ;)
and ya know what else....the diary writer says "ever have that feeling you know someone is behind you, she turned but no one was there...again with the seeing is believing thing. by jorge i think you may be on to something...i need help, too many puns sad - we'll back to your discussion. I hope this pans out big time for you. I really am interested in seeing what the others (i had to put that) think.

Good Luck

at first the theory sounded good

then on second thoughts i told myself that everybody need light.
The writers may send the message that they all see under a certain light, well, in fact the message would have been clearer if they all were in the dark
What is the first thing you do when you come home at night ? turn on the light ? lol
What would be weird or hinting something would have been the absence of light, not its presence

But then i really liked your idea
i would even go further on the light stuff and talk about enlightenment

things always have a double or triple meaning in the show, and symbols lay everywhere

I was thinking about religious enlightenment. There are a lot of religious references in the show
maybe we don't see the others or the monster or whatever because they do not live on the exact same plane of consciousness, or on the exact same plane of existence , think parallel universes here, which are pseudo science
or think of the ultimate evolution, where man would not have the need for a body anymore and would only exist as consciousness (pure energy)
all of that is pseudo science rather than science fiction

that would make sense for a lot of theories, such as why ethan wanted Claire and the baby - other shows used that thread -> they want to revert back to corporial feelings and can only experience it through a child bla bla bla

light is essential to life, without light, no life (the oxygen we breathe is given by plants and trees under the action of the light)
Funny enough when something bad happens (such as ethan, claire's abduction, etc) it rains
rain = clouds and clouds block light

if we think hard enough we could relate and tie in almost every theory on this board under your light theory

the hatch for example, it seems to lead to an undergound complex, or a cave or whatever => hidden from the light
the fact that ethan seems to appear from dark places => hidden from the light
Charlie and Jack escaping from the cave in => he sees light and crawls towards it

man i'm tired, it 6 am, but your theory deserves a real good look
we may try to list everything that has a symbol with light (even Sun's name for that matter, or Claire = clear)

I think there is much more to your theory than meets the eyes ( sorry for that last one :D )

I feel very unobservant since I started reading this board.* :/* I never noticed the red lampshades.* Good catch!

Another light phrase for your consideration:* "It was just a trick of the light."

Ahhh. Reading what everyone has to say starts to kick in the memory cells. So many episodes start with a close-up on someone's eye opening. Many reasons. Their episode but another subtle suggestion about what you see. Their POV. Then we get a different story when someone else is looks at the same thing.

At the first production meeting what threads did they lay down that needed to be picked up during each episode. It's not just for the writers. The whole production design had to be laid out and I'm sure it is as important as the dialogue that is written. Same with the sound design. We can get copies of the transcripts but alot of what we are commenting on is something we've see/not seen or heard. That stuff isn't in the transcripts. Lots and lots of trails to follow.

Actually, you don't need to have light to have life, there's chemosynthesis. But tarf and Sam's points are good none-the-less. Just telling a writer "you're going to do episode 7" isn't enough for a show like this (and they all are being done by alternating writers). This is a thread (no pun intended for a change) that we should look for in coming episode, the red lamp shades. Someone might even look for what type of information is being presented whenever one appears in a flashback. There could be a running theme. BTW, didn't somone say that polar bears aren't visible in infra-red ???

Oh, excellent point Sam Grant!

I remember reading that about polar bears too, patch410 -- I can't remember why though.

Who has had a closeup of their eye?

Boone for one. When he was staring down Syid. When that happened, Boone was NOT happy with Syid.

There's someting else that's been bothering me, too. In the Boone/Shannon eppie... close to the end Boone is talking to Shannon, after they did "the deed". There's a shot there where Boone is lit very dimmly and Shannon is in the dark, then she turns on the light to show the two of them. I thought at the time it was a VERY cleverly done shot.... something I've not seen before... now I think it might have had meaning. Go look, the scene stands out like a soar thumb. ......wow, even Claire stated, "Don't keep me in the dark, Charlie."...odd.

OKay, so who else has eye close ups?

BTW, didn't somone say that polar bears aren't visible in infra-red ???

and on the other side of the spectrum, ultraviolet is also invisible to human eyes but can be very harmful
i think that someone here spoke of the hole in the ozone layer taht let through ultraviolet radiations

Whait is light ?
light is composed of photons (elementary particles) but most of all light is a radiation

light could be the visible symbol for all sort of radiations
the visibility depends on the wavelength of the radiation, human eyes can only perceive light radiations whose wavelength is between 380 and 780 nanometers
below 380nanometers are ultraviolet and over 780nanometers are infrared
light has a frequency of around 600000 GHz

and if we were to go much further than light itself we could encompass all sorts of frequencies, from radio frequencies, to nuclear radiation frequencies

the way we perceive those radiations that surround us all the time depends on the tools we have to perceive them (eyes, ears) and on the accuracy of those tools
Sound is another important things, and i think it was made pretty relevant
Light is almost always accompanied by sound. The light coming from the sun or from a lightbulb do not make a sound we can hear, but they do emit sounds since light has a frequency *(600000 GHz) if the human ear was able to pick up such sharp noises we would actually hear light. The dog whistle that Locke makes to call Vincent is an exemple of that, although the frequency used is very small compared to the frequency of light . Once again it depends on the tools we have and their capacity to render that sound. At the moment we are only able to produce (in labs) ultra high frequencies (ultrasounds) up to 100 GHz that's far from light's frequency
On the opposite side of sound you may have experienced ultra low frequency sounds
They are sound you may actually feel with your body but hardly hear with your ears

this leads to a conclusion, and opens to new things
Light is just the visible (no pun intended there) of a thing that is a lot bigger than light itself : Frequencies and wavelength

frequencies and wanelength will determine what we SENSE

and there SENSE is very important

- Sight : symbols of the light, the closup on the eyes of the characters
- Touch : Claire making Jin feel her baby, Locke feeling his legs again
- Hearing : The sounds of the monster, The dog whistle
- Smell : Vincent's sense of smell
- Taste : Jin making test food to survivors => the baby starting to kick again

Light is just the tip of the iceberg. It is mainly one frequency we tune in to have informations on our surroundings
but there are many more frequencies to scan (Sayid, his tranceiver and the french distress call)
Magnets, and magnetic fields also respond to frequencies
Symbols are everywhere : the plane loosing it's radio (loss of frequency)
Even brain activity emit radiations (frequencies/wavelength). think about the word "brainwave activity" => tie this in with the willpower theory
add to that, that Jack is a neuro-surgeon, he deals with brainwave activity

So don't limit your great theory about light only, it goes much beyond that

As an example, the city of new york is saturated with radio activity, and if you've been there you know it's a place like no other, because you can actually feel (even subconciously) *those radio waves

Have you ever experienced this strange feeling, when you hear a song in your head, and you actually turn on the radio and this song is playing ?
The whole willpower thing could tie in to this
it is not Walt who wishes the polar bear to appear, he picks up the comics because he sensed the bears presence (and so on)

Light is a symbol of all that because we can actually see it, but SamGrant, your theory goes much farther than light
light is just a tiny representation of all that surrounds us

with this single theory you made sense of a lot of things
- nuclear testing grounds theory
- the others not being able to have children possibly because of radiations
- the invisible creature
- willpower theory
- Locke's recovery (the large amount of radiation energy on the island enabling him to strengthen the electrical activity his brain sends to his legs - that's what the machine beside his bed is made for, since it stimulates the muscles that are not stimulated enough - or not at all - by the brain)

i could almost sum them all here

It all comes from the light, or rather from its inner component

particles / frequency / wavelength

Yes, yes, yes......
It's Boone and Shannon in the hotel room. Locke in his bedroom. on an on I just couldn't list them all. There not easy shots to set up. The more you look the more you'll see.

The polar bears were part of my rantings. The infrared light. The hole in the ozone layer. Just trying to gather enough information so we could start working on this.

i can't believe i haven't seen that before

Asynchronous Light EXperiment

ring a bell ?


asynchronous lights are used in such applications as fiber optic and lasers

also asynchronous light is use in computer image processing (or creation) to simulate visible, non-illuminating light sources such as stars, runway lights and aircraft approach indicators

asynchronous light based light beam analysis softwares actually deal with wavelengths of up to 1100 nanometer, which put them well inside the infrared spectrum
could it spot your average polar bear in the infrared spectrum although it emits no heat ?

Thank you Tarf. Absolutely brilliant. I've been putting pieces here and there because you can give people too much information at one time and they turn you off. . I'm still absorbing it all. Digesting it and trying to see where it fits together. Sometimes the puzzle pieces just don't quite fit. Blinded by the Light funny this one was the one I thought I'd get blasted for. And it looks like it's opened up tons of doors. I'm so excited.

Has anyone tried to print something on this site that has "The Fuselage" on it? This is what's under the Black.
Part of it is so small I had to copy it and enlarge it so I could read it. You can highlight it and see it's there. Black and white.

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Has anyone tried to print something on this site that has "The Fuselage" on it? This is what's under the Black.
Part of it is so small I had to copy it and enlarge it so I could read it. You can highlight it and see it's there. Black and white.

The Fuselage: A Posting Board for Fans of ABC's Lost
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I think that is just keywords for search engines to find the site..... :-\

Very interesting theory.

Goes along with not everything is what it appears to be and Locke's quote to Boone when he's blowing his dog whistle. You can't hear everything. The sooner you learn that the better off you'll be.

seeing how you're saying light and sound are the same. You can't see everything either.

Has anyone tried to print something on this site that has "The Fuselage" on it? This is what's under the Black....

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Who's Lynne E. Litt or dark? Lite or Dark....?

Excellent catch Sam... who are you ... Perry Mason? (obscure Clue reference)

Who's Lynne E. Litt or dark?* *Lite or Dark....?

Excellent catch Sam...* who are you ...* Perry Mason?* *(obscure Clue reference)





I like being a detective like this. It's pretty great when you have screen captures....Speaking of screen captures, someone was saying how they were giving us just the right promo ones and not giving it away. Part of the Blinded by the light theory came from all the screen captures I was looking at. There are a lot of red/orange lamps shades besides the bizillion lamps and lights, candles, lanterns.

Yknow, I don't know if this is anything big but.....

I noticed something with the POV episodes that start out with the close-up of the eye.* In at least 2 of them, the eyes belong to someone other than the obvious person.

For example, in the episode that starts with Boone staring at Shannon & Sayid, the close-up of the eye RIGHT before you see Boone, is not HIS eye.* That really caught my attention.* The eye shown was green and then the scene shifts to a full shot of Boone.* Ian Somerhalder's eyes are very distinctly light blue.* Maggie Grace's eyes, however, are green.* I believe it was HER eye that was shown in close-up.

I haven't looked too hard at all of them, but I do think the viewer could be misdirected with the eye close-ups.

You could be right. In "Special" I wan't sure if it was Michael or Walt's eye I was looking at. I guess I'll be watching tapes for eyes, whispers, planes, guns, globes & lamps and anthing else I see a connection to.

Yknow, I don't know if this is anything big but.....

I noticed something with the POV episodes that start out with the close-up of the eye. In at least 2 of them, the eyes belong to someone other than the obvious person.

For example, in the episode that starts with Boone staring at Shannon & Sayid, the close-up of the eye RIGHT before you see Boone, is not HIS eye. That really caught my attention. The eye shown was green and then the scene shifts to a full shot of Boone. Ian Somerhalder's eyes are very distinctly light blue. Maggie Grace's eyes, however, are green. I believe it was HER eye that was shown in close-up.

I haven't looked too hard at all of them, but I do think the viewer could be misdirected with the eye close-ups.



Are you sure your color isn't off on your TV? I remember seeing how blue it was. (maybe MY color is off!) And I remember that horrid eyebrow Boone has. Shannon knows enough to pluck her unibrow! ;D

Are you sure your color isn't off on your TV?* I remember seeing how blue it was.* (maybe MY color is off!)* And I remember that horrid eyebrow Boone has.* Shannon knows enough to pluck her unibrow!* *;D


LOL!!!! :lol2:
Well, it could be the color on my tv - it's a pretty cheap set... ;D

I just noticed the color of the eye immediately because it was green and I was thinking "green with jealousy" as Boone was staring at them. I don't know, the color is definitely off if it is Boone's eye. Look at a close-up of Boone's eye in that first scene and you'll see how very light blue it is. But you're right about the eyebrow thing - if that's Shannon's eyebrow she is in serious need of a waxing! ;)

Okay you guys got me thinking about the "eye" scenes so I just watched the Pilot part 1 and the very first scene is Jack's eye opening, waking up in the jungle!!
I'm usually just a "lurker" and not a poster, but had to put my .02 cents in on this one!
Now I'll be keeping my eyes "open" for more...lol
Ooh ooh, reminds me of Charlie's tat.....hmmm

Okay you guys got me thinking about the "eye" scenes so I just watched the Pilot part 1 and the very first scene is Jack's eye opening, waking up in the jungle!!
I'm usually just a "lurker" and not a poster, but had to put my .02 cents in on this one!
Now I'll be keeping my eyes "open" for more...lol
Ooh ooh, reminds me of Charlie's tat.....hmmm

Keep your eyes open to everything. All the possibilities, don't limit yourself.

I'm sneeker than I give myself credit for - Locke Love that line

Keep your eyes open to everything. All the possibilities, don't limit yourself.

I'm sneeker than I give myself credit for - Locke Love that line


Sam, I definitely keep my eyes open to everything, but sometimes I run across threads like these that I haven't thought of before and start thinking more....this show can make your head hurt sometimes. I love it!

And your favorite line was also one of ours too...my hubby laughed out loud at that one. :lol2:

Thanks for giving me more to chew on!

Okay you guys got me thinking about the "eye" scenes Now I'll be keeping my eyes "open" for more...lol
Ooh ooh, reminds me of Charlie's tat.....hmmm


Oooh, good one...
Wonder how the writers will incorporate that into the storyline? Charlie's tattoo reads "Living is easier with your eyes closed" but all through the series we are subjected to extreme close-ups of wide open eyes! They seem to "see" but they don't see - they seem to be aware but they are blind to the secrets of the Island. Cool......could chew on this for awhile......... 8)

Oooh, good one...
Wonder how the writers will incorporate that into the storyline?* Charlie's tattoo reads "Living is easier with your eyes closed" but all through the series we are subjected to extreme close-ups of wide open eyes!* They seem to "see" but they don't see - they seem to be aware but they are blind to the secrets of the Island.* Cool......could chew on this for awhile.........* 8)

Well, for one you would rely on your other senses more and in a way might learn more about everything around you.

Link to the other senses
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6815.0

just ran across a reference to lynn e litt*

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/combined

(s)he is listed as writer and consulting producer for lost

-ks

I was rereading some of the things that were written here and seeing just how much we've started to see in many threads to how people are acting and reacting to sensory things that may be happening to their bodies.

Lighting is a very useful element . Watch any of Stanley Kubrick's films(especially The Shining) with an eye on the lighting and you'll be amazed at how he uses it and how you barely noticed it until you were looking for it. I think the same goes for Lost.
The dark vs light thing is very evident too. Even Vincent can be figured into this. He isn't a multi-colored mutt, he's monotone: light. Locke all but shoved the notion down our throats with the backgammon pieces.
Just random thoughts.

Lighting is a very useful element .* Watch any of Stanley Kubrick's films(especially The Shining) with an eye on the lighting and you'll be amazed at how he uses it and how you barely noticed it until you were looking for it.* I think the same goes for Lost.*
The dark vs light thing is very evident too.* Even Vincent can be figured into this.* He isn't a multi-colored mutt, he's* monotone: light.* *Locke all but shoved the notion down our throats with the backgammon pieces.
Just random thoughts.*

If you get a chance to read what Tarf wrote we've pretty much expanded this to all your senses. We are being pointed to all of them. The lights were the first one's I could put my finger on and say. Look we are being told to be aware of this.

I'll check it out. Thanks

note to self: read this thread

Also note to self:
1. Read this thread
2. Get the Blinded By The Light song by Manfred Mans Earth Band out of my head! ::) ;D

Also note to self:
1. Read this thread
2. Get the Blinded By The Light song by Manfred Mans Earth Band out of my head! ::) ;D

Songs a toss up. I like Bruce's because he wrote it and I like the rest of the verses

The sunlight is blinding me in the shot . Locke in the wheelchair in the jungle. The side panel of the wheel chair is kind of glowing, A close up may reveal something

The sunlight is blinding me in the shot . Locke in the wheelchair in the jungle. The side panel of the wheel chair is kind of glowing, A close up may reveal something


http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=33814&fullsize=1 Nothing really here but....look here
http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=33818&fullsize=1
looks like something in the last one* *? Do you see something that looks like a head with a helmet or leather hood with lighter circles where you would have eyes? I put it on photoshop and could make it a little bigger. I think we may have our first view of what one of "The Others" looks like.

Hmmm ... not quite certain about that. It looks to me like a reflection of two of the crew. Possibly the cameraman and an assistant.

aleximus

Hmmm ... not quite certain about that.* It looks to me like a reflection of two of the crew. Possibly the cameraman and an assistant.

aleximus

Take into account the angle of the chair. Camera is shooting from directly in front. Not the cameraman

light fare
http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/liteelec.html
http://www.ypoart.com/tutorials/skylights-advanced.htm

BTW, didn't somone say that polar bears aren't visible in infra-red ???


I think they may be less visible in infra-red.

http://acept.la.asu.edu/PiN/rdg/color/color.shtml

There are so many red lights in this whole season I thought I's look up red light, orange light.

About the lamps, I don’t think that is something we were intentionally meant to pick up on. Since it is a TV show and they don’t have an infinite amount of props, I’m betting that they just needed a lamp in those scenes and happened to put that one there. But with this show, who knows?

About the lamps, I don’t think that is something we were intentionally meant to pick up on. Since it is a TV show and they don’t have an infinite amount of props, I’m betting that they just needed a lamp in those scenes and happened to put that one there. But with this show, who knows?



The lamps and lights are used to bring our attention to things. The spectum of light how much we see. If there is something invisable on the island I bet the range of what light we can see comes into play.

http://acept.la.asu.edu/PiN/rdg/color/color.shtml

There are so many red lights in this whole season I thought I's look up red light, orange light.
illuminating site saving it for some light summer reading

;D

Yes, we should start marking oure summer reading now. ;D

Time to look at the light again. Way back in the beginning.

http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~andorfc/paint.html Now they are really playing with the lights. The lamps have changed, the tables have changed, the record player has changed and if you go to the other link at the top the mural has changed. What are the writers telling us?

Dr Marvin Candle is running the show.....

Time to look at the light again. Way back in the beginning.

A few quick possibilities: time is running out...the days are getting shorter...the sun is setting...twilight...dusk...clouds overhead...something is harder to see...the Tailies gave up on their signal fire...losing hope...losing faith...losing power...Shannon's flame was extinguished (in the love hut and her corporal life)...are we missing something in Tib's clues...

ETA: "don't blow out the light"...don't give up, don't lose faith, keep the Losties' signal fire going...protect the fire...This so fits with all the ways they have been using light and other sensory images.

and Todell is thinking about photons lately

Sam, have you considered the healing benefits of light into your theory?

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html

http://www.ghchealth.com/full-spectrum-light.html

I found this interesting considering Locke was "healed" by the island.

Ana (cave)
Lucia (light)
Cortez (explorer, finder)

Find the Light in the Cave?
The Cave of Light is Found?
The Light is Found in the Cave?

Sam, have you considered the healing benefits of light into your theory?

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html

http://www.ghchealth.com/full-spectrum-light.html

I found this interesting considering Locke was "healed" by the island.I haven't yet. Things still keep pointing to light but I haven't pin pointed it yet.

Rose, besides telling Jack to eat fruit, also told him he needed to get out of the hatch and get some sun (or something like that.)

more light stuff I posted elsewhere:

on Viking rune (Viking=Scandinavian=Norse), btw this rune appeared in the "NARVIK" clue on the bigspaceship1.com web site documented in Rebellious Rabbits thread....

http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/subjects.php?gen_sbj=Divination+and+Fortunetelling (http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/subjects.php?gen_sbj=Divination+and+Fortunetelling )

Kenaz The sixth rune of the Elder Futhark, representing the letter K.

KENAZ symbolizes the element fire, it is the friendly, warm, controlled flame of the torch or the hearth fire.

Most interpret the meaning of the Kenaz rune as "torch," which has always been regarded as a symbol of knowledge.

My note: the rune is shaped like this < and represents a profile of an open eye.

more light stuff I posted elsewhere:

on Viking rune (Viking=Scandinavian=Norse), btw this rune appeared in the "NARVIK" clue on the bigspaceship1.com web site documented in Rebellious Rabbits thread....

http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/subjects.php?gen_sbj=Divination+and+Fortunetelling (http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/subjects.php?gen_sbj=Divination+and+Fortunetelling )

Kenaz The sixth rune of the Elder Futhark, representing the letter K.

KENAZ symbolizes the element fire, it is the friendly, warm, controlled flame of the torch or the hearth fire.

Most interpret the meaning of the Kenaz rune as "torch," which has always been regarded as a symbol of knowledge.

My note: the rune is shaped like this < and represents a profile of an open eye.Or part of the cursor on the computer in the hatch

That post at the beginning of all this was interesting to me. For as long as I can remember, I've had countless times where I've gotten into my car and the song in my mind was the one that would be playing when I start my car.I used to try to make it happen when someone was with me to prove it to them but it was like I was forcing it so nothing would ever come to mind. It always worked when I would open the door and the song would pop in instictively.Maybe this is a great scientific answer to what some people write off as premonition. Maybe some people hear or see extra things, it's not just blind versus sighted, it's blind versus sighted versus extra sighted. same for all the other senses. Ive always just chalked it up to the fact that most radio stations have like a two hour loop, so theres a good chance that if you think about a song that gets overplayed, then its probably going to be on when you get in.
This extra sensory thing is getting interesting as I type too. Perhaps everyone on board has heightened senses. They don't FEEL pain the way we do, theyve all been shot, stabbed, jabbed by a boar, beaten, tortured, fallen from high points, near exploding dynamite, insided a plane that fell apart and fell from the sky, and they are all ok. They HEAR whispers that we all think are in the jungles but for all we know, they're hearing people talking in America or Australia or on some other level of existence, they SEE dead people walking, wet Walt. Dont know about TASTE though and SMELL doesnt work either unless they are smelling good things from far away that cover the bad smell of themselves and others on the island. Or maybe everyone is normal just like us and we're no closer to answers about this than we were three days ago when you started reading this long post.

roy...LOL...but those are some good points.

What are we really seeing? Do we believe what we are seeing or do we rationalize it away.

Since the beginning of time humans have been afraid of the dark or at the very least we have always associated scary things with the dark. The funny thing is is that at some point there had to have been scary things in the dark for the fear of it to become a subconscious trait the majority of humans share. Some sort of instinct we were all equiped with since the beginning of our time. Everything in existance depends on balance, whether we like it or not we need evil for there to be good we need dark in order for there to be light. Lost has incorporated the balance of light and dark since the first episode. Every person has two sides to them and light and dark side. The people on this island have a choice to make as to who they will become. A choice as to which path they will take, the dark or the light. They will be tempted by the dark and challenged by the light and the choices they make will decide their fate. Or something like that.

Navarian, Thanks

That was great.

And now, we are finally seeing things in a different light, and hearing things we hadn't heard before. TPTB have done well.

and on the other side of the spectrum, ultraviolet is also invisible to human eyes but can be very harmful
i think that someone here spoke of the hole in the ozone layer taht let through ultraviolet radiations

Whait is light ?
light is composed of photons (elementary particles) but most of all light is a radiation

light could be the visible symbol for all sort of radiations
the visibility depends on the wavelength of the radiation, human eyes can only perceive light radiations whose wavelength is between 380 and 780 nanometers
below 380nanometers are ultraviolet and over 780nanometers are infrared
light has a frequency of around 600000 GHz

and if we were to go much further than light itself we could encompass all sorts of frequencies, from radio frequencies, to nuclear radiation frequencies

the way we perceive those radiations that surround us all the time depends on the tools we have to perceive them (eyes, ears) and on the accuracy of those tools
Sound is another important things, and i think it was made pretty relevant
Light is almost always accompanied by sound. The light coming from the sun or from a lightbulb do not make a sound we can hear, but they do emit sounds since light has a frequency *(600000 GHz) if the human ear was able to pick up such sharp noises we would actually hear light. The dog whistle that Locke makes to call Vincent is an exemple of that, although the frequency used is very small compared to the frequency of light . Once again it depends on the tools we have and their capacity to render that sound. At the moment we are only able to produce (in labs) ultra high frequencies (ultrasounds) up to 100 GHz that's far from light's frequency
On the opposite side of sound you may have experienced ultra low frequency sounds
They are sound you may actually feel with your body but hardly hear with your ears

this leads to a conclusion, and opens to new things
Light is just the visible (no pun intended there) of a thing that is a lot bigger than light itself : Frequencies and wavelength

frequencies and wanelength will determine what we SENSE

and there SENSE is very important

- Sight : symbols of the light, the closup on the eyes of the characters
- Touch : Claire making Jin feel her baby, Locke feeling his legs again
- Hearing : The sounds of the monster, The dog whistle
- Smell : Vincent's sense of smell
- Taste : Jin making test food to survivors => the baby starting to kick again

Light is just the tip of the iceberg. It is mainly one frequency we tune in to have informations on our surroundings
but there are many more frequencies to scan (Sayid, his tranceiver and the french distress call)
Magnets, and magnetic fields also respond to frequencies
Symbols are everywhere : the plane loosing it's radio (loss of frequency)
Even brain activity emit radiations (frequencies/wavelength). think about the word "brainwave activity" => tie this in with the willpower theory
add to that, that Jack is a neuro-surgeon, he deals with brainwave activity

So don't limit your great theory about light only, it goes much beyond that

As an example, the city of new york is saturated with radio activity, and if you've been there you know it's a place like no other, because you can actually feel (even subconciously) *those radio waves

Have you ever experienced this strange feeling, when you hear a song in your head, and you actually turn on the radio and this song is playing ?
The whole willpower thing could tie in to this
it is not Walt who wishes the polar bear to appear, he picks up the comics because he sensed the bears presence (and so on)

Light is a symbol of all that because we can actually see it, but SamGrant, your theory goes much farther than light
light is just a tiny representation of all that surrounds us

with this single theory you made sense of a lot of things
- nuclear testing grounds theory
- the others not being able to have children possibly because of radiations
- the invisible creature
- willpower theory
- Locke's recovery (the large amount of radiation energy on the island enabling him to strengthen the electrical activity his brain sends to his legs - that's what the machine beside his bed is made for, since it stimulates the muscles that are not stimulated enough - or not at all - by the brain)

i could almost sum them all here

It all comes from the light, or rather from its inner component

particles / frequency / wavelength

There are so many pieces of LOST that might be coming together. Light, lighting, color so many things have been used to bring this story to us. Things that were planted from the beginning as we come to the 3 season finale I'm hoping that some more light is going to be shed on old theories.

Since the beginning of time humans have been afraid of the dark or at the very least we have always associated scary things with the dark. The funny thing is is that at some point there had to have been scary things in the dark for the fear of it to become a subconscious trait the majority of humans share.

I understand your logic, but aren't people more apprehensive in the darkness because the sense they rely on most (seeing) is impared?

Ben told Locke to turn off his flashlight....is Jacob (who/whatever Jacob is, lol) afraid of the dark?

Daniel Faraday - Light scatters differently here.

Came here from the link on Lucidity's "The Sewing Kit 2 (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2095513&postcount=576)" thread.

I thought I would give a link to my post about light references (http://forum.thefuselage.com/.%20http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=2095513&postcount=576) and quote it for the purposes of discussion on this thread.

Quoting self:

I remember reading about light references a lot in my early forays to the forum. Let me see if I can find some links.

Edit to add:
Aaron - one of the meanings of the name is shining light
Apollo bars -- Apollo god of truth/light, sometimes the sun
Ana Lucia - (Lucia means light)
Cindy (Cynthia) - Greek goddess of the moon
Claire - clear, bright, shining
Helen - sun ray, shining light
Lucy - Light (Charlie's girlfriend in flashback)
Nadia's name (Noor) means "light"
Sun - homonym for the sun in English
Linus - Linos, son of Apollo

From the name thread, Elfdream's post on the possibility of Charlie/the moth being connected with light (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpost.php?p=133572&postcount=3).

That doesn't even get into the number of references to scientists or other things involved with the electromagnetic spectrum, which of course light is only the visible part of...Shannon's last name, Rutherford, for example. :)

Now, lately we have had some more light references...Jack's dad name is Ray, just like farmer Ray (one I forgot to add above). Creepy Christian held that lantern when he spoke with Locke and half of his face was in darkness/half in light. It was very striking.

Anyway, the real reason I decided I would post here was while I was reading this Wikipedia link on the Passion (Christianity) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_%28Christianity%29), I couldn't help but notice these lines under the"Instruments of Passion" list in "Christian symbolism and art."

The sun and moon, representing the eclipse which occurred during the Passion.
and
The lantern or torches used by the arresting soldiers at the time of the betrayal, as well as their swords and staves.

Added 2/22:

We have a lot of "rays" showing up in the show. This quote from Luke about lamps, rays, lightness/darkness, and eyes might provide illuminating:

"No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar, but on the lampstand so that those who enter may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body. If your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light; but if it is not healthy, your body is full of darkness. Therefore consider whether the light in you is not darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, with no part of it in darkness, it will be as full of light as when a lamp gives you light with its rays." (Luke 11:33)