Is there a resemblance, or is it just me?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/1/normal_3x03-ballerina-cap126.jpg (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1181&pos=125)
http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost_marvin_candle-700067.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/1/normal_3x03-ballerina-cap124.jpg
http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/ORV4.jpg

Is it normal for korean men to choose to go bald? Or is it a deliberate attempt at making it harder to see this connection?

I know these pictures are not the strongest evidence, but I've seen much crazier theories here and I do believe there's something in this :p

Plausible. Maybe that's the business partner Suns dad referred to.

It's the funny eye.

Mr. Paik, "(does) business with the young man's father". Coincidence? I think not! Mr. Paik does business with Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund, whose real last name could quite possibly be Lee!

Do I believe it? Maybe. But it sounds good.

Jae.....Lee Marvin.......Candle

I thought this was a Dirty Dozen reference....LOL

Aw no way.
I think you guys have cracked it with the father thing.

I thought that perhaps that is his dad as well. Old Marvin. Like Scott Weiland said, " Half the man I used to be".......(no John Bobbitt pun intended)

Mr. Paik, "(does) business with the young man's father". Coincidence? I think not! Mr. Paik does business with Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund, whose real last name could quite possibly be Lee!

Do I believe it? Maybe. But it sounds good.

Hey, I totally forgot about that! The guy's son just died and he's doing business at his funeral? Fishy.. sounds like the kind of line that was put in there so that later everyone can go "Ohhh yeahh, I remember that" :)

Marvin Candle looks nothing like Jae Lee.

Is there a resemblance, or is it just me?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/1/normal_3x03-ballerina-cap126.jpg (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1181&pos=125)
http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost_marvin_candle-700067.jpg
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x02-ballerina/1/normal_3x03-ballerina-cap124.jpg
http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/ORV4.jpg

Is it normal for korean men to choose to go bald? Or is it a deliberate attempt at making it harder to see this connection?

I know these pictures are not the strongest evidence, but I've seen much crazier theories here and I do believe there's something in this :p

Like it :biggrin:

where is that picture where candle is holding money from?!

It's just you.

Hey, I totally forgot about that! The guy's son just died and he's doing business at his funeral? Fishy.. sounds like the kind of line that was put in there so that later everyone can go "Ohhh yeahh, I remember that" :)
He didn't say he was DOING business at the funeral. He was just using the business associate thing as an excuse for being there. It's a courtesy, under normal circumstances, but he used it as an excuse to Sun for being there.

I think any notion that he looks like Marvin Candle is just racist, myself. Same as when someone thought the Asian guy at the book club looked like the police officer with Jack.

I think any notion that he looks like Marvin Candle is just racist, myself. Same as when someone thought the Asian guy at the book club looked like the police officer with Jack.

I didn't see the thread about people confusing the book club / police officer guy, but I did that myself, and had to watch the clip a few times before I realised they weren't the same person. That's not 'racist'. Racism means to discriminate along racial boundaries. You're referring to the problem of 'cross-race identification', which is the very real issue of people from one ethnic or racial background not being able to identify people of a different race or ethnicity with the same success rates as within their own. It's emphatically NOT racism.

they do look very simalar but i doubt they are the same person. interesting theory though though Jae's dad could be

I didn't see the thread about people confusing the book club / police officer guy, but I did that myself, and had to watch the clip a few times before I realised they weren't the same person. That's not 'racist'. Racism means to discriminate along racial boundaries. You're referring to the problem of 'cross-race identification', which is the very real issue of people from one ethnic or racial background not being able to identify people of a different race or ethnicity with the same success rates as within their own. It's emphatically NOT racism.

Well, it may not be "racist" on a technical level, but it's highly reminiscent of statements such as "They all look alike," which reeks of ignorance.

I think any notion that he looks like Marvin Candle is just racist, myself. Same as when someone thought the Asian guy at the book club looked like the police officer with Jack.

Did you jump all over the people in other threads that have suggested that two blonde caucasian women look alike (i.e. Penny and Sarah or Libby and Juliet)?

This show is all about hidden connections and meanings. It's only natural for someone to suspect that Marvin Candle and Jae might be related. They look similar enough. Plus, you would have to factor in knowing what Jae's mother looks like in order to be more exact in analyzing their possible shared DNA.

Did you jump all over the people in other threads that have suggested that two blonde caucasian women look alike (i.e. Penny and Sarah or Libby and Juliet)?

This show is all about hidden connections and meanings. It's only natural for someone to suspect that Marvin Candle and Jae might be related. They look similar enough. Plus, you would have to factor in knowing what Jae's mother looks like in order to be more exact in analyzing their possible shared DNA.

Do you think they'll cast the actor's mother, just to settle this dispute once and for all?:rolleyes:

Do you think they'll cast the actor's mother, just to settle this dispute once and for all?:rolleyes:

I'm on the edge of my seat - just like you. ;)

Well, it may not be "racist" on a technical level, but it's highly reminiscent of statements such as "They all look alike," which reeks of ignorance.

I agree that, usually, the statement "they all look alike to me" is said with racist undertones, or in a racist context. However, as per my previous post, it is a statement based in reality. You can put a number to the average rates at which someone from race A will mis-identify race B. (Yes, there are all sorts of mitigating factors, like exposure, closeness of the two races, etc.)

Now, baylady said:
I think any notion that he looks like Marvin Candle is just racist, myself.
which is, IMO, silly. Given the very nature of the show (and in fact, storytelling in general), if you see a person who you are told is Korean (Jae-Lee) and someone who, to my poorly differentiating brain, looks and sounds as though they could be Korean (Marvin Candle), then it is quite natural to assume that they could have something to do with each other within the confines of the story. Furthermore, neither man resembles (again, to my poorly differentiating brain) the other Koreans seen so far. So, to my mind, it is perfectly fair to say, "Jae-Lee and Marvin Candle look like each other", and to speculate whether they might be related.

IMO, there is no racism here. No racist statements have been made, just some reasonable speculation.

My, my, here I write an innocent little thread with some wild speculation and I get branded an ignorant racist :( Wow.

Let me put this in kindergarten terms for some of you Armchair Champions of Racial Equality:

I think exhibit A (Jae Lee, he of the shiny, bald head), looks a tad like exhibit B (Dr. Marvin Candle/Wickmund, he of the missing arm shenanigans). Could this, in terms of this wonderfully twisted show be possible and/or mean anything?

That's it! No racism intended, honest! Goodness knows it was hard enough to find enough time to make this thread in between all my cross burnings and local KKK book club meetings (tonight we are making toilet rolls from the pages of "To Kill a Mockingbird").

What's wrong with some of you!?

I like the idea a lot, definitely looks like he could be an older version of Jae Lee.

And, yeah, the racism issue is totally unfounded. How many times have we all jumped because person X's flashback took place in the same town that person Y's mum's ex-boyfriend's cousin played college football. To consider a link between two people of asian descent is logical, and what's more, there definitely is a similarity of a facial nature not just an ethnic one.

On another thread I recently commented that Ms.Klugh bared some resemblance to Michael's Susan, and that, even if you don't see the similarity, you can at least see that it was meaningful that with the very limited number of black characters seen in Lost, the lady dealing with Michael would also be coloured.

There's nothing racist about that, it's a fact. There aren't many coloured people in Lost and that makes such considerations valid. In the same way there aren't that many Asians and so it's valid to consider links there too. At the very least we can link Candle to Paik through their ethnicity, which, honestly, hadn't occurred to me before.

I'm convinced part of the Lost explanation will account for all these similarities. At different times we've considered Jack / Guy in the snow station; Tom / Ben; Sarah / Juliet; Susan / Ms. Klugh (Bea Klugh / Be a clue) and now Jae Lee and Dr. Candle.

Well, it's just ridiculous to me that someone would speculate that Marvin Candle and Jae Lee are siblings because they look "alike." They look "alike" because essentially, they're both Asians. What a concept! And, because there are few Asians on this show, we must jump to the conclusion that they must be related somehow. Wow, that's brilliant thinking Props, props.

Look I'm new to this forums, so I'm not going to get drawn into an argument. I only did in the first place because this is the first time ever in my life I have been called a racist by anyone.

I would ask you not to assume things about me and my motives. We all know what assuming does. You do not know me. Sufficing to say I have no idea why you would think I made the connection only because they are both Asians.

I made it because I noticed what might be a resemblance. In my crrrrrazy world if two people look alike they very well might be related. Look at the original post, it's not like I'm even sure about this, hence I asked others what they thought.

Also this is Lost and the chance of such a connection taking place increases exponentially. That's all I have to say about that really.

Let's get back on topic, please.

LostIslandBaby, you are misreading, or misrepresenting, what people have written.

They look "alike" because essentially, they're both Asians.

They look alike, taking into account (subconsciously or otherwise) the fact that they are both Asian / male / slim / etc.

And, because there are few Asians on this show, we must jump to the conclusion that they must be related somehow.

Because there are few Asians on this show, and this show is Lost, we can speculate that they may be related somehow.

Weighing in here with my first post!(Is this my first post? I've lurked so much here and on other Lost forums that I don't even remember...)

While watching the show the idea that Jae and Candle looked alike never occured to me, but looking at the pictures linked to in the original thread I can definitely see a resemblance. The theory seems perfectly valid to me.

Except...

...that Jae Lee is played by a different actor that Marvin Candle. Therefore the argument that the two characters are actually the same person is invalid, and the argument that they might be related based on physical appearance is somewhat weakened. A) It would be pretty difficult to intentionally find actors that are so similar in appearance that their intended relationship is guessed by the viewer based on that alone, and B) it's not even necessary. Look at Jack and Christian. They look nothing alike...but we'll buy it that Jack is Christian's son because...Hey! They say it's so.

And finally, to the idea that this thread is racist, I cry a huge BS. The two men look similar. It's not because they're both Asian. It's because they have very similar features. Features that are more common amongst Asians than other races? Sure. That doesn't make the idea racist.

And if you require credentials to take anything I say seriously because I'm a brand new poster, I'm Korean. ;)

I am asking everyone to please put the brakes on this line of conversation right now. It can get out of hand fast.

If you want to discuss the possible relationship between the two characters do so without playing the race card.

This thread has been reported and will be monitored...if the back-and-forth tone does not cease...it will be closed and the offenders will be given points.

Carry on...

karkli >
Except...

...that Jae Lee is played by a different actor that Marvin Candle. Therefore the argument that the two characters are actually the same person is invalid, and the argument that they might be related based on physical appearance is somewhat weakened. A) It would be pretty difficult to intentionally find actors that are so similar in appearance that their intended relationship is guessed by the viewer based on that alone, and B) it's not even necessary. Look at Jack and Christian. They look nothing alike...but we'll buy it that Jack is Christian's son because...Hey! They say it's so.


The thing is I believe they do deliberately find actors that are similar in appearance, either because it is somehow going to form part of the plot, or just to mess with our heads. Do you honestly think the guy in the snow station looking so much like Jack with a beard was pure coincidence?

I don't know yet what a plot explanation might be, but, for example, the fact that Jae Lee and Candle aren't played by the same actor wouldn't rule out the possibility that Candle is somehow Jae Lee in 20 years time. Try getting your heads around that time anomoly ! This would also tie in with the idea that Ben is Tom in 20 years time.

I don't know what to think exactly, but I'm definitely going to include Jae Lee / Candle in my little list of Lost weirdness.

I would be more inclined to believe Candle could be Jae's father/relative then the same person, but not ruling anything out :p

If you think about it, Jae seduces Sun and sleeps with her. Maybe he is trying to get her pregnant on the orders of his father? We know there is a genetics/babies subplot in Lost, so maybe this is related somehow? Wild speculation I know, but that's what we're here for :)

I don't think they are related. Marvin Candle works for the Dharma Initiative in cooperation with the de Groots.

Jae Lee is the son of a wealthy Korean businessman. I have a hard time connecting the dots between a reasercher type like Candle and someone wealthy.

Has it been established that Marvin Candle is Korean? Does anyone know the actual ethnicity of Francois Chau (the actor who plays Candle/Wickman)?

That said, I think the suggestion is only slightly less ridiculous than the theory that Rose is Walt's biological grandmother.