Now that we know more of the Others and the returning ones more from this episode do you like them yet?

i love them...but ya cant trust them !!

I don't like them, except for Alex.

no. i still think theyre all creepy buggers. even Alex seems creepy.

I don't like them except for Alex as well. They keep saying they are the good ones, but how are they good? Kidnapping, labor camp, drugging, spying.........so far there is nothing that proves that they are "good".

I "like" them in the sense that I'm entertained by their television exploits, but they are evil buggers. If the writers find a believable way to redeem them, I'll tip my cap, but they've done so many bad, bad things that it's hard to fathom at this point.

I "like" them in the sense that I'm entertained by their television exploits, but they are evil buggers. If the writers find a believable way to redeem them, I'll tip my cap, but they've done so many bad, bad things that it's hard to fathom at this point.

heheh agreed. damn fine creepy entertainment:rolleyes:

Like Juliet, Alex and Bea, hate the rest of them. Was so glad Sun shot Colleen, stupid know it all.

Well, I've adored Ben since he was Henry Gale and still adore him. :biggrin: I like Pickett though I don't like how he treats Sawyer ... it's the character I like and I've been a Bowen fan for a long time so it's great to see him on my favorite show. I don't care for Juliet ... don't hate her or wish her dead but I just don't feel any warming up to her happening any time soon for me. I really don't like Tom. He's a dufuss but acts, still, like he's king bee (but notice that's only when Ben's not around LOL). I'd like to see more of Bea (Ms. Klugh) because I'd like to know if her interaction with Michael was how she is all the time or just for that "mission." She facinated me when she met with Michael so I might end up liking her if they bring her back.

So, though I don't think we really have had an inside introduction yet to most of the Others, it's about 75/25 with 75% being those I like and the rest don't like.

Like Juliet, Alex and Bea, hate the rest of them. Was so glad Sun shot Colleen, stupid know it all.
yeah i wasnt really into the idea of Colleen being a regular. she seemed like the Other version of Ana Lucia...

Ben and Tom are the only two i like....the rest of them are just creepy and i don't feel they can be trusted (yet).

"Like," as in, "I love the Others' little utopia project already! I'm in love with Ben/Juliet! I want to be one of them! Where can I sign up?" Hell, no.

"Like," as in, "I'm dying to find out more about these creepy, contradictory, weird, deep people in this strange little society, played by really wonderful actors?" YES!!!

I donno, I'm not too fond of the others. Now that we know them, and have seen their camp and stuff, it just makes the show a little more boring.

I don't really like any of the charcters except Alex. Other than that, I think they're slowly complicating the show, and making it less enjoyable to watch.

My thought of the others are that some come off as a little TOO strong. Like Colleen and Pickett. I think they're too harsh and they don't seem like they're AS smart at manipulating, like Henry and Juliet. H&J REALLLY can get into people's minds Although I did like the bit where Colleen was talking to Sun. But obviously it backfired.

LOL by the way, I love Bea and Tom's relationship...the one we saw on the dock...it was great.

I am intrigued by the fact that the Others haven't killed any Losties we know of, yet the Losties have killed Ethan, Goodwin, and those 2 guys in the forest in last season's finale, the person Ana killed, and the people Eko killed. From the looks of things those people the Losties killed probably have family and friends on the Island who you would think would want revenge.

Wait, Goodwin killed that guy Ana put in the pit. So Losties-7 Others-1 kind of hard to argue who the good guys are. So they do a little kidnapping now and then, but they aren't murderers right?

No, I don't like them -- they creep me out!

But I am intrigued by why they think they're the good guys. I really would like to know what's going on in their heads and why they do the things they do.:confused:

Ben is interesting, especially with that crazy stare. I'm sort of impressed that they could keep his character mysterious for this long. I don't believe he's a bad guy.

I just think The Others think they're doing the right thing and in a way they are. We don't know why they have seperated themselves from the rest of the world other than their connections, nor do we know why they don't just send the Castaways home.

I don't think they're perfect, but they certainly aren't the good guys. Maybe when they say "We're the good guys" they mean "We're not the bad guys"...meaning that we haven't met the bad guys yet.

The Others keep saying they're the good guys...like if they keep saying it, maybe it will come true. In reality, I think they are very bad, even evil. I'm thinking they are mad scientists and so full of their own intellectual superiority, that they feel justified in treated anyone else on the island as test subjects.

I like Juliet a lot, Ben I'm not too sure about, Pickett I can't STAND. He reminds me of my friend's dad who attacked me for drawing in the dust on his car :biggrin:

I like the Others - but I don't think they're good! They're just great characters to watch. Very intriguing.

Not liking them at all! :42fight:

I like them as characters and plot devices, but I wouldn't invite them over for tea.

I am intrigued by the fact that the Others haven't killed any Losties we know of, yet the Losties have killed Ethan, Goodwin, and those 2 guys in the forest in last season's finale, the person Ana killed, and the people Eko killed. From the looks of things those people the Losties killed probably have family and friends on the Island who you would think would want revenge.

Wait, Goodwin killed that guy Ana put in the pit. So Losties-7 Others-1 kind of hard to argue who the good guys are. So they do a little kidnapping now and then, but they aren't murderers right?

they did try to kill Charlie, and wouldve if Jack n Kate hadnt found him in time, plusthey were ready to seriously harm Claire to get to her baby. i doubt they wouldve done a caescerian, patched her back up and sent her back to her camp. they also shot Sawyer - couldve easily killed him, plus him, Michael and Jin couldve drowned after the raft was blown up. its not like they havent tried killing any of the Losties...

You don't have a "the jury's still out" option. :confused:

We know nothing of their motivations yet. When we learn that, it will go a long way in determining my opinion. :)

I am intrigued by the fact that the Others haven't killed any Losties we know of, yet the Losties have killed Ethan, Goodwin, and those 2 guys in the forest in last season's finale, the person Ana killed, and the people Eko killed. From the looks of things those people the Losties killed probably have family and friends on the Island who you would think would want revenge.

Wait, Goodwin killed that guy Ana put in the pit. So Losties-7 Others-1 kind of hard to argue who the good guys are. So they do a little kidnapping now and then, but they aren't murderers right?

dude. . .

what about scott. . . or steve, or whoever the hell it was they killed in season one? eh? despite their assurances, the others' actions have been largely unprovoked and incredibly ruthless.

Exactely they did kill Scott or Steve. They also hung Charlie from a tree that very nearly killed him, threatened Jack they'll kill more if Claire isnt returned to them and they were planning on killing Claire after the baby were born. They kidnap Walt and does god knows what to him then kidnap J/K/S, locking them up forcing them to do slave labour... so errmm yeah as far as I'm concerned they're not the good guys.

dude. . .

what about scott. . . or steve, or whoever the hell it was they killed in season one? eh? despite their assurances, the others' actions have been largely unprovoked and incredibly ruthless.

hahah i forgot to add Scott/Steve too.

yeah thats true we know nothing of their motives yet, but they can hardly turn out to be the 'good' guys. it's understandable Michael did what he did, but you can hardly condone his actions.

plus nothing changes the fact theyre creepy weirdos.

C'mon people. They're not "good guys" - they just believe in their sick little minds that they are justified and right, no matter whom it may destroy.

I don't think it really matters whom they've killed or all the bad things they've done. We dont even know The Others real personality.

Let's not think about their actions for a second. If someone told you you'd move on an island with a herion addict, a fugitive, and a conman, you wouldn't want to live their right? But maybe, if you got to know them more, you'd realize that they are actually good people that have done bad things that can be justified (in a way). Charlie, now he's certainly done some bad things and now people on the island know that, but they're still friends with him because he's a good person.

Some of the Others have done bad things, but I don't think we know them well enough to immediatly point fingers at them and say that they all are horrible people. I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOME OF THEM AREN'T BAD PEOPLE. Because I believe some of them, like Ben are not good from what we've seen so far.

If you think about it, the Others aren't much different from the castaways. Since we know the castaways so well, we like them. But we barley know anything but the bad things The Others have done. We've got to know the castaways well, their personality, their good side...but with The Others we've only seen their actions. Barley their personality. Who knows, maybe once we see their true personality we'll hate them even more. But obviously, we like the castaways better because we know them a lot more.

Have we really met the really bad guys? Maybe when they say we're the good guys" they aren't comparing to the castaways, but to someone else...

C'mon people. They're not "good guys" - they just believe in their sick little minds that they are justified and right, no matter whom it may destroy.

Isn't that what all good guys believe? That they are "right and justified"?

Christians believed they were the good guys in the Crusades ...

Catholics believed they were the good guys during the Inquisition ...

The US believes it's the good guys in Iraq ...

I have absolutely no intention of arguing any of the 3 examples I used. I used them simply to illustrate the overall point that good and bad are not definitively definable ... they are only definable by opinion ... by belief ... no doubt, Tolkien's orcs thought they were good guys too, if they thought at all :confused:

The point being, you will nearly always see the side you are on, or the side you agree with or believe in as the *good* side ...

but I wouldn't invite them over for tea.
Or a book club meeting? :innocent:

I like Ben and Juliet, but I don't know if I would consider them as being good. They are good "bad guys". :biggrin: I'm liking Juliet a lot, I cant wait to find out what is really going on in her head. Klugh, Pickett and Colleen scare me though, and they dont seem good at all.

The Others as a group are freaking me out. But I love to hate Ben and I really look forward to more Juliet.
Alex I don't really count as an other, I dunno why... Maybe because she is not there by choice.

Or a book club meeting? :innocent:

yeh, especially with Juliet's crappy taste in books:msntongu:

Ben would be happy that you don't like King, mygoodeye! :10:

Ben would be happy that you don't like King, mygoodeye! :10:

I'm not a big Stephen King fan ether. :rolleyes: But it is all I agree upon with Ben, I swear :biggrin:

nah i like some King, but i read Cujo a couple of months ago and it was crap.i like some of his books (The Shining is my fave), he has some great ideas but, sorry to be a snob, his writing is too trashy sometimes.

guess i'd rather read Hemmingway or Dostoevsky;) and i bet if he was pushed to it Ben would admit to liking at least one Stephen King book...

I want to like the Others. I really hope TPTB are not so stupid as to make yet another TV show where the unknown is to be feared, that's such a xenophobic POV. Sure the Others did some pretty bad things, but so did the losties. Keep in mind that when Locke made his infamous speech ("they've attacked us, sabotaged us...") that they keep showing in the beginning of the shows, he was doing so to protect Walt, who had burned the first raft. Locke himself destroyed the radio-transmiter & hit Sayid on the head, Sayid tortured Sawyer & Ben, Ana Lucia killed Goodwin & Shannon & the list goes on. The losties aren't angels & the others aren't all bad. Hey, that's why I love this show in the first place!

fran6

LOST stands for Land Of Scientific Testing

Outstanding first post fran6!

Welcome to the Fuselage, I look forward to seeing more from you. :)

I want to like the Others. I really hope TPTB are not so stupid as to make yet another TV show where the unknown is to be feared, that's such a xenophobic POV. Sure the Others did some pretty bad things, but so did the losties. Keep in mind that when Locke made his infamous speech ("they've attacked us, sabotaged us...") that they keep showing in the beginning of the shows, he was doing so to protect Walt, who had burned the first raft. Locke himself destroyed the radio-transmiter & hit Sayid on the head, Sayid tortured Sawyer & Ben, Ana Lucia killed Goodwin & Shannon & the list goes on. The losties aren't angels & the others aren't all bad. Hey, that's why I love this show in the first place!

fran6

LOST stands for Land Of Scientific Testing

Thank you for posting that.

The only reasons why we're siding with the castaways is because we know their personality, and know they are really good people.

But we don't know The Others much at all. Only the things they've done (killed, kidnapped,ect.) So far this season they've come off as a bit cold and well...creepy but hopefully that'll change.

Don't you guys think there's a big difference between what the Others have done and what our Losties have done? The Others have abducted children for god's sake! Somehow that just goes against any possible idea in my mind that they are indeed "good" people. The Losties may have killed people like Goodwin and Ethan, but only after they were attacked first. Maybe we don't have all the facts yet, sure, but I definitely can't wrap my brain around them being the "good guys" after all. Not after taking Walt away from his father and trying to take Aaron away from Claire. Not to mention leaving Charlie for dead and so on! Sorry, but I won't easily accept that the Others are "good," not even if the writers try to go that way - and I honestly hope they don't cause I just won't buy it. I'm more able to accept the idea that the Others just think they are good in their own crazy heads. In that sense, it IS all about one's perception. And that idea, I can swallow just fine.

Really dislike Juliet. Her emotionless blank stares and vocal tone really annoy me. I kind of loathe it whenever she appears, like when many people would whenever Ana Lucia would show up.....Never cared for the Fenry character that much but he is not so annoying now that he is out of the hatch (he is even amusing sometimes, like his exasperation when Jack didn't believe the Red Sox won the World Series.).....The Mr Friendly character is done well.....Alex seems like she belongs on a another show (like in a teeny show from the old WB network).....Didnt like the Miss Klugh character....Goodwyn, Ethan and Colleen were okay performances.

I dislike all of the others, but I think that is the point. This show does confuse me and that is why I like it, but have to refer to boards to get additional insite. I dont know if anyone else did this, but I thought Juliet was Penny for the first few scenes that she was in... I think they should have cast someone else in her role, but then again, maybe they did that on purpose.

We're suppoesd to trust them on the greater good part while they wreak havoc and show brutal, dictatorship ways from the lack of due process to plain old killings when disobeyed. Count me out of their fanclub. :cool:

I've learned over the years to never say "never." But liking The Others? That's about as close to never saying "never" as I can get! :rolleyes:

Benry = has a warped mind, I think....he's one selfish and vain man, deep down.

Juliet = is on the island reluctantly, and I like her intent to subtly rebel. LOVE her voice and demeanor when interacting with jack.

Ethan = psycho, infatuated with having things his way.

Goodwin = demented, can't be trusted.

Tom/Zeke = really funny, he's so merrily mean, and I'm warming up to his personality, but he's basically Benry's bitch.

Pickett = unlikable, and is basically Zeke's bitch.

Miss Klugh = extremely creepy in an entertaining way, talks veeerrrryy slllooowwwlllly.....she's my favorite Other so far, because she is the one whose backstory I'm most curious about (how she came to arrive on the island, what are her motivations?). I want a Miss Klugh flashback!!!!

Alex = I like her, she's very sneaky like her mother, and I think she's rebelling and trying to undermine her elders. Great stuff to watch! :)

Karl = hard to come up with an opinion so far, but man, is he HAWT!!! ;)

No idea how to vote.

I like them, in the sense that I like them as characters on Lost. I really like Ben, so creepy, so cool.

But as far as liking them as good people, nope. They're still a-holes in my book, and I don't sympathize with them. Maybe after we learn more of their story...

Perhaps the Others think that the Losties have attacked them. If the plane crash wasn't an accident it could just have been a way to get on the island. The Losties seem to have a lot of connections in the past. Perhaps they're some form of sleeper agents sent to disrupt whatever the Others are doing, which in their opinion may be "saving the world".

Well since it won't let me vote in the poll, I will never like any of the OTHERS except Alex who really isn't an OTHER

[quote=hollisterbumx3;1215950]I don't think it really matters whom they've killed or all the bad things they've done. We dont even know The Others real personality.

Let's not think about their actions for a second. If someone told you you'd move on an island with a herion addict, a fugitive, and a conman, you wouldn't want to live their right? But maybe, if you got to know them more, you'd realize that they are actually good people that have done bad things that can be justified (in a way). Charlie, now he's certainly done some bad things and now people on the island know that, but they're still friends with him because he's a good person.

Some of the Others have done bad things, but I don't think we know them well enough to immediatly point fingers at them and say that they all are horrible people. I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOME OF THEM AREN'T BAD PEOPLE. Because I believe some of them, like Ben are not good from what we've seen so far.

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If you think about it, the Others aren't much different from the castaways. Since we know the castaways so well, we like them. But we barley know anything but the bad things The Others have done. We've got to know the castaways well, their personality, their good side...but with The Others we've only seen their actions. Barley their personality. Who knows, maybe once we see their true personality we'll hate them even more. But obviously, we like the castaways better because we know them a lot more.

Have we really met the really bad guys? Maybe when they say we're the good guys" they aren't comparing to the castaways, but to someone else...[/quote

The others are very different. The lost guys bonded togther to try and save each other after the crash. It did not matter who the person next to them were they just helped. and did not keep anyone out (not even sawyer) The others didn't try and help or provide shelter to the surviors they just sent in spys to gain information. Tell me if a car crashs on your block. Do you help? or do you just go out there and look through ther walltes to see if they are good updstanding people before you do anything?

Following your train of thought, kotw32.

If you had a small island community and witnessed a plane come apart over your head, wouldn't a reasonable response be to send out two rescue missions, one to the front part of the plane and the other to the tail section? Wouldn't a good and civil society do anything in their power to help save peoples' lives?

Instead, the Others send one person to each site...not to help them, but to infiltrate them. This single point leads me to believe that the Others are very bad people. Their actions speak volumes.

If you had a small island community and witnessed a plane come apart over your head, wouldn't a reasonable response be to send out two rescue missions, one to the front part of the plane and the other to the tail section? Wouldn't a good and civil society do anything in their power to help save peoples' lives?

Instead, the Others send one person to each site...not to help them, but to infiltrate them. This single point leads me to believe that the Others are very bad people. Their actions speak volumes.

Again, someone is failing to take into account that we do not have all the facts about Ben's little community.

For example: Do we know that our Lostaways are the first people to come crashing down on them? Actually, we know they're not, because of the drug plane and the real Henry Gale's balloon. How many other crashes have there been that we (as relative newcomers to the island) are not aware of? Were those survivors friendly? Did Ben send rescue parties to them, only to have the rescue party shot for their trouble?

You can't form a summary judgement based on partial information. Actually, I suppose you can, but not if you want people to see you as a rational, fair-minded person.

heck no, I don't like the others. We still don't know enough about them to trust them, and I know we don't know everything about the plane crash survivors either but it's different with them. The others seem to be running everything and manipulating everyone. I don't know if we will ever be able to trust them. Their may be characters that the writers are trying to make nice. Ex: Juliet, and even Alex. However I don't think we can trust any of them or like any of them.

So far the Others haven't shown anything to convince me they're the "good guys" - quite the contrary. They use an excess of physical violence, they've killed the Losties, probably more of the Tailies since we haven't seen any of them yet.
Sure, Benry is fascinating to watch, like Hannibal Lechter is fascinating to watch. Juliet has a good sense of humor but there's no reason to trust her.
Perhaps their agenda will come out in the next few episodes -- if not, then it's just another Lost unanswered mystery that diminishes one's enjoyment.

The Others are without a doubt threatened by The castaways. Not because they fear that they're stronger then they are but because possibly they don't want The Castaways to know.

Really, if they rescued The castaways and lead them to their community, do you know what would be on the castaways mind?

I mean, if anyone saw the previews for next epy, it doesn't look as if they're going to show their good side anytime soon. I might actually hate their guts after this episode comming up!

Saywer =(

The others are very interesting a mysterious. However I do not trust them as far as I can throw them. I am just not buying that they are the "good guys" :o

They are fanatical protectionist radicals that believe the ends justifies the means. They believe they are good..but they have become rotten to the core.

However..their cause will become the Losties cause and I have no doubt that its only a matter of time before they are all on the same team.

John Burger wrote:
"They are fanatical protectionist radicals that believe that the ends justify the means. They believe that they are good...but they have become rotten to the core."

I certainly agree that they believe that the ends justify the means, whatever the 'ends' may be....and I have to wonder if the writers even know yet what those ends are, given that we've been led down so many different rabbit trails regarding what, or who, the Others are.

I don't know, though, if the Others believe that they are "good," since it would seem that they have no clear definition of good or bad. For the most part, the Others, specifically Benry and Juliet, display Nazi-like, stone-cold indifference to the pain that they cause in the Losties.

Benry mentioned, I think in the last episode, that he had always lived on the Island. That would mean that he, and presumably the other Others have not been raised with any moral grounding as to 'right' and 'wrong' that we see, at least in part, out here in the real world.

You shouldn't like what you can't trust.

Both the Losties and Others have done some bad things.
One major difference is that some the Others have shown that they are sadistic and cruel.

Don't like the Others and it will take alot to get me to sympathize with them.

I wonder what TPTB would think about this virtual tie between completely hate and hate-with-exceptions?

Personally I like them, and find them very interesting. I cant wait to find out more.

They are fanatical protectionist radicals that believe the ends justifies the means. They believe they are good..but they have become rotten to the core.

However..their cause will become the Losties cause and I have no doubt that its only a matter of time before they are all on the same team.

AYE I can see that happening.
However I would rather see Mr. Eko mash thier heads into oatmeal with a rock.
People who think we judge the others too quickly are being wimpy at best and would be the first to be fed to the other's pet shark if they were stuck in this show. :eek2:

AYE I can see that happening.
However I would rather see Mr. Eko mash thier heads into oatmeal with a rock.
People who think we judge the others too quickly are being wimpy at best and would be the first to be fed to the other's pet shark if they were stuck in this show. :eek2:

Wow, Snowman. I was holding back on my post as not to ruffle feathers but I totally agree. I was not sympathtic to the others when Eko knocked there blocks off. I cheered. When Sun shot the other on the boat. I clapped. These others are going about being the good guys the "wrong way". IMO

i like the others, they have more mystery to them and just seem more attentive to things then our losties. Our losties seem kinda slow, like hurley not mentioning anything to anyone about what happend to jack, instead locke says it. they hid things from one another and some have done some pretty messed up stuff in life. I wouldnt be suprised if the others are gona be a suprise in the sense we see them doing bad things, but since we dont know the reason why yet, then well are they realy evil or bad like they look. remember the writers n producers show us what they want us to see, not what we want to see, and they have played with our heads before, whats not to say the others turn out to be good, they could be doing something looks bad, but for a good cause, could be saving millions and sacrifing a couple for it. didnt locke sacrifice boone for the island? as well as lied to everyone and yet everyone looks at him as a good person.


plus the whole thing with damon saying how its "us vs them, but whos us and whos them?" which might just mean that we think us would be our losties and them would be the others, but hey sometimes not everything is what it seems.

These others are going about being the good guys the "wrong way."
Nicely put, Lady EKO, nicely put! :clapping:

I find them very interesting but i honestly cant stand them

Nicely put, Lady EKO, nicely put! :clapping:


;) I have often thought it rude to drag young children through the dark jungle.

No. I hate the others. Although they might turn out to actually be good, I still do not like them. there are others ways to get to know people besides kidnapping , and torture them. I do not know what the others plans are for Kate,Jack and Sawyer, but whatever it is, I'm sure they could have went about it another way, without threating them like the way they did.

Well, I've adored Ben since he was Henry Gale and still adore him.Same here. Benry is my hero.
I heart the Others. :redface:

Yeah, I love Ben too! Great actor and great character.

So not into Juliet. Yet. I don't know, it bothers me that Juliet, Sara, and Penny all lookalike! Or is it just me?

I, for one (and I feel like I am alone on this one), think the Others are good, or working towards doing something good, however you want to phrase it. I don't think they're out to get the Losties. Sure, they've been manipulative, but so have the Losties - and the Others do it with way more smarts and sophistication. And as others have pointed out, the Losties have done way more killing than the Others.

I do want to know what they're up to, but I'm sure it's for good. Just because Ben is creepy doesn't mean that what they're doing is evil.

So not into Juliet. Yet. I don't know, it bothers me that Juliet, Sara, and Penny all lookalike! Or is it just me?
We have a long thread you might want to see discussing that here:
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58912
There's comparison pics on page 8 of that thread. :)

And I totally agree with you - soooo aggravating! I just think there better be a good reason why ALL 3 of the female love interests for Jack, Desmond & possibly Benry are blonde, white women. LOST is getting less and less diverse every season. :disgust:

I, for one (and I feel like I am alone on this one), think the Others are good, or working towards doing something good, however you want to phrase it. I don't think they're out to get the Losties. Sure, they've been manipulative, but so have the Losties - and the Others do it with way more smarts and sophistication. And as others have pointed out, the Losties have done way more killing than the Others.
Hmmm, let's see. Well, there's "Steve", the unfortunate redshirt whose dead body had every bone broken in it. And Ethan promised to kill more Losties (one every day) if Claire wasn't presented to him.

There's Charlie - who was hung by Ethan and was MEANT to die. He was only saved by some miraculous effort on Jack's part.

According to Alex, the Others planned to kill Claire.

They shot Sawyer then left him to drown, bleed to death, or die of infection (which he very nearly did).

They BLEW UP the Losties' raft, leaving Michael, Jin and the possibly mortally wounded Sawyer 15 miles from shore --- that's a death sentence right there --- oh and Mike nearly drowned, Sawyer saved him.

There is the unfortunate tail section guy that Goodwin killed by snapping his neck once he sprung him from Ana-Lucia's trap.

Then after all this killing and kidnapping, a paranoid (with good reason) Ana-Lucia ACCIDENTALLY shoots Shannon because Cindy has been abducted and the group is afraid they are being attacked by the Others. I put Shannon's death on the Others' heads. If they had not created such a terrifying atmosphere by abducting and killing people, Ana-Lucia might not have been so panicked.

Unsure about this but why not bring it up - did they kill the real Henry Gale??? Somebody had to bury him.


Besides the killings, they abducted several people and ripped children away from those that were caring for them --- and they had to have been fighting pretty hard to abduct them since Eko killed 2 of them trying to protect the tailies.

They left Desmond in that hatch for 3 years when they could have let him live with them instead of slowly going insane.

When the plane crashed, their first thought was NOT, "Oh no! Let's all go and try to see if we can help any survivors!" So far, they haven't reached out to help any of them and the island is a dangerous place, don't you know ....

They have communication with the outside world, but won't offer any of it to the Losties so they can just LEAVE. They are more interested in using them as lab rats while their families mourn for them at home.

They've abducted and drugged our precious leads (Jack, Kate & Sawyer) and electrocuted them. They are imprisoning them against their will and besides the physical PAIN from beatings and such that they have imposed on them for no stated reason, they are enjoying playing little psychological torture games with them (i.e. Sawyer's non surgery).


:blink: I have a hard time figuring out HOW some viewers will say the Others are worse people than the Losties. The Losties' mistakes are usually from accidents or ignorance. The Others know exactly what they are doing. This is why First Degree Murder is punished more severely - because premeditated acts of violence are considered more heinous and cruel by civilized society.


Just my :twocents:

I have a hard time figuring out HOW some viewers will say the Others are worse people than the Losties. The Losties' mistakes are usually from accidents or ignorance. The Others know exactly what they are doing. This is why First Degree Murder is punished more severely - because premeditated acts of violence are considered more heinous and cruel by civilized society.

I agree with you 100%.Plus, The Losties have never kidnapped anyone, nor any kids.

I see that beating up on James and being mean to bunny rabbits has given "NO NO NO! I HATE THEM!" a slight lead again. . . .:rolleyes:

I'd invite them to tea if I met them, but I'd watch them carefully to make sure they didn't poison mine. Oh, and I'd like to see someone manipulate Benry in some way. Heck, I'd settle for seeing someone slap him across the face. Preferably Juliet, who, along with Alex and possibly Pickett, is keeping my opinion from being "HATE PUNCH DIE" right now. Yes, the mistreatment of the bunnies has put them on my bad side.:mad: Yes, I'm a tree-hugger.

Well, I'll offer my dissenting opinion. I really like the others for the most part. Ben has definatly been my favorite charachter ever since he was locked in the Swan and messing with everyone's heads. I always like the charachters who are a bit un-predictable but still in charachter and they guy who plays Ben (don't remember his name) is very very good.

Tom is really likable to me. His boat debut and bearded threats and bolo throwing were all highlights of the season, but it is good to see that he is more than some brute or just the muscle. He seems to have a softer side and a sense of humor.

Goodwin and Ethan. Come on, they are awesome. They were like jungle ninjas, it would have been cool to see Ethan and Eko meet. The evil in Ethan's eyes vs the repentance in Eko's both willing to do whatever it takes.

Juliet, not my favorite but it is obvious her charachter is going somewhere. Pickett, yeah, he kinda sucks. You need more in a "bad guy" than brutality, revenge, and a big mouth and Colleen, meh, who cares she was dead before we even knew her.

Basically, to me, the biggest factor in a movie/book/show of this nature is not only to have great and interesting good guys to root for. Rather just as important, possibly more, is to have compelling villains who are smart, motivated, interesting, and above all human to rival the good guys. I think for the most part the others are prime examples of this.

I was on the verge of hating their guts when they killed the bunny and inserted the pacemaker into Saywer. But after we learned Ben was conning Saywer and that he didn't really kill the bunny, I felt a bit better.

I HATE Pickett, but I felt sorry for him in this episode. He was just emotional after Colleen died. Really, isn't that how Sayid reacted? Or how Shannon did when Boone died?

And I can't help but feel a bit sad about Ben's possible tumor. Now that we at least know he's not going to use Jack for some crazy lab rat expirement.

Ok if The Others just went to the Castaway beach and said "Hey Jack, could you remove a tumor out of my back even though my people killed, kidnapped, and sabatoged your people."

It's still a question of what will they do with Saywer and Kate, but right now i'm iffy about my feelings toward The Others.

I don't know if the others are good or bad guys. Whatever they are, they are damn entertaining to watch.

I think Alex and Juliet are okay but I don't know about the rest of them.

I agree with the litany of crimes of the Others but are we sure than interact with the outside world? They may be able to just download information. If they could get out you would think Ben would be mighty tempted to have his surgery in say Australia.

They are all just way too SHADY!!!!