Doesn't make sense that Locke, Desmond and Eko woke up in the jungle far from the hatch. If the hatch imploded, logically Locke, Eko and Desmond should be nothing more than pulverized bone and blood smears in the middle of that condensed metallic ball.

I wondered the same thing....which means that we're going to have to have a flashback from one , or all, of them...though, with our luck, that may be the reason why LOST is going on hiatus til February after the first 6 episodes--so they can think up a way to get themselves out of that hatch! lol

The hole where the hatch was seemed awfully small, too. I thought the hatch was larger than that.

The hole where the hatch was seemed awfully small, too. I thought the hatch was larger than that.

Well I'm assuming the imploding means that everything associated with the hatch was drawn into itself and compressed... however what they were looking at was the escape hatch which wasn't all that big so there could very well be the rest of the hatch way beneath it... just equally imploded and useless.

The whole thing is fishy. Locke and Eko get thrown clear, and Desmond gets his drawers blown off, but the hatch implodes? Something's not right here.

They did say the Hatch imploded and not exploded. Everyone saw that hatch door being 'blown' away at the end of season 2, but how could that have happened if the hatch imploded? If you rewatch the scene, it seems to be that the hatch door is in fact falling straight down. If it had been blown off, it probably would have rolled (although I wouldn't be suprirsed if this was just a continuity error thing). So I'm thinking they (along with the hatch door) were teleported or some crap.

I just posted this in the thread about Desmond and the effects that "something" has had on him but perhaps my post is best suited for this thread. In any case, I'll post it here too-

What I think has roughly happened- Locke, Eko and Desmond had some type of shared experience after Desmond turned the failsafe key, the electromagnetism was realeased and they all, I assume, blacked out. During the experience, Desmond and Eko were shown the future? Or did they actually live out the future? O_O In any case, Desmond definitely felt that Locke's speech (and probably not just that) have already happened. What did Locke get out of this experience, well he was for some reason temporarily mute... and eventually had the vision with Boone.

Another thing, the beginning of this episode reminded me so very much of the beginning of everything; the plane crash. Locke wakes up, not too badly injured, laid neatly in the grass. Desmond, too, seems to not be injured and is now naked. As crazy as all of this sounds... like I said, it reminds of the plane crash. How Jack woke up in the jungle and how so many of them were either not injured or only received minimal injuries. I thought then (after gaining knowledge of the others and some more about the Island) that either the Others or Smokey or something had hand picked the survivors and made sure that they were saved. Sure, this could just be chalked up to fate and maybe I'm even ok with that, but this scene with Locke and Desmond was so, very reminiscent of the plane crash that it makes me wonder. I mean, how would Locke and Dezzy just "end up" outside and on the grass like that? If they were blown out of the hatch, how did they survive the fall?

*breathes* alright, someone tell me how crazy I am to think all of this

"Or some crap" - The way to explain everything that's happened that we don't know about yet in Lost. :D

"Or some crap" - The way to explain everything that's happened that we don't know about yet in Lost. :D

I wholeheartedly agree. :D

Perhaps it was an explosion/expulsion (hence, debris falling from the sky and the three of them being thrown clear) and then a prompt implosion?

Of course, there's always a neat little margin for the supernatural in explaining it all. ;)

Perhaps it was an explosion/expulsion (hence, debris falling from the sky and the three of them being thrown clear) and then a prompt implosion?

Of course, there's always a neat little margin for the supernatural in explaining it all. ;)

Never thought of that. I agree with your explosion (which seemed obvious) and then implosion theory. Though I don't think that explains them being thrown clear.

i agree that something is certainly not quite right with the whole "implosion". there was nothing left of the hatch, so why should there had been anything left of locke, desmond, and ekko. and once again, why where they so far away? it really doesn't add up.

In the beginning,before the fail-safe key was applied, it was exploding. Then the fail-safe key made it implode. By then, maybe Eko and Locke were blown out and just as Desmond puts the key in, that single moment, there was a big explosion and Desmond was blown off. Immediately, there after, there was the implosion.

Does that make sense? Am I babbling. Am I going crazy. Does this show make crazy?

What about the door that was in the jungle? When the hatch imploded, wouldn't the air have to go somewhere? Could it have rushed out of the door that lead into the jungle and pushed Locke, Desmond, and Eko out?

but why did the 'quarantine' sign fly away before then...

The producers have said this is more science than fiction, but it is STILL science fiction guys. It's a fantasy TV show. The hatch door with quarantine on it was no longer connected to the hatch. It was laying on the ground.

If you want my impression of things. The "failsafe" is designed to purge the button room before implosion, like an ejector seat, whoever turns that key is spared. Eko and Locke just happened to be caught up in that.

It could also be that THE ISLAND saved them, and is in the process of removing everything related to DHARMA, which is why the jumpsuit had to go!

It could also be that THE ISLAND saved them, and is in the process of removing everything related to DHARMA, which is why the jumpsuit had to go!
I think the jumpsuit was made up of metalic fibers. That would explain why Desmond was naked but not Eko and Locke.

I think the jumpsuit was made up of metalic fibers. That would explain why Desmond was naked but not Eko and Locke.

Ok. But why do you think it's made of metallic fibers? Maybe I missed something.

Ok. But why do you think it's made of metallic fibers? Maybe I missed something.
I'm just guessing. Seems like the only rational explanation though. It was a one-piece that Desmond wore haphazardly and loosely.
Sort of borrowing from Star Trek I guess.

We'll definitely find out eventually. The start of episode 3.03 reminded me of the start of episode 1.01, when all of our characters appeared to survive a horrendous accident with nothing but scrapes and bruises...

There's this book, The Time Traveller's Wife about (and I hope I'm not spoiling anything here) a time traveller. And when he goes backwards and forwards in time, he always ends up neked, becuase he can't time-travel any inanimate objects (like clothes).

Des knew what Locke was going to say, and that he was going to give a speech, and he wasn't even anywhere near the speech. I think the magnetism made him go through time, hear the speech from near Locke, only hidden (kind of like the time-travel parts of Harry Potter). Also, I think this because

one of the Lost writers said in an inverview that this week we would find out that one of the Lost characters has something in common with a character on Heros, and a character on that show, aptly named Hiro, can travel through time, and this past monday came back to warn the charactrs about an impending world-ending event. Additionally, I think this signifies that Desmond will be the "hero/hiro" of Lost, but that is neither here nor there.

Anyway, I think that's why Desmond was naked, more than the explosion/imploson blew his clothes off.

If this belongs elsewhere feel free to move it. I haven't posted much and it seemed relevant to me but then again, I'm very sleepy.

There's this book, The Time Traveller's Wife about (and I hope I'm not spoiling anything here) a time traveller. And when he goes backwards and forwards in time, he always ends up neked, becuase he can't time-travel any inanimate objects (like clothes).

Just like The Terminator! :cool:

And by the way, there is also a character on Heroes who can see into the future. So sounds like Desmond = Isaac from Heroes. Just my opinion, though.

So Desmond traveled back in time, or stopped time, to carry Eko and Locke out of the swan hatch before it imploded in on itself?, and his nakedness was a byproduct of this ability? If this is the case...Lost has just crossed the line from Sci-fi to utter B.S. Fantasy.

So since the hatch was huge and was like tunnels in the island, are we supposed to believe that there are now holes in the island and at any time, the earth where you stand can collapse ?

Desmond travelling into the future and causing Hurley's "deja vu" is pushing it a bit far. I would believe this answer in Star Trek but not Lost.

If time travel is the answer, then for a great number of people they see a large dorsal fin in the water and Locke is swinging around on waterskis being puleed by Benry and the sailboat. :frown:

I hope its not true.

I agreen 100%. If they throw "time travel" out there, I'm considering the shark jumped.

Also, what's with all of the "outs" they've been leaving for themselves lately? All of Lockes bear antics and associated clues and metaphores could be washed away or completely ignored with a simple "well, he WAS high." Much like Jack hearing his dad on the intercom in s03ep02 right aroudn the time that Juliet tells him he's dehydrating and could hallucinate.

Well, one of the writers did say that one of the characters

would have something in common with a character on Heros

and I don't think anyone else did. But there could be others.

I think the jumpsuit was made up of metalic fibers. That would explain why Desmond was naked but not Eko and Locke.

i don't think it would make sense to give people metalic suits when they're working in a geomagnetic station.

the time travel as an explanation for desmond being naked seems like it could work...though i'm not sure how i feel about them throwing time travel into it

i guess it would have to be an implosion then explosion because of the magnet...but was the hatch door blown off from eko using the tnt?

if you look at the pictures on losst media you can see the tunnels. There are at least 3 large rectangular corridoors heading underground. Each is 90 degrees from the other (might be good to check the hatch map, i havent seen that in a while, since its destroied now we probably wont see it ever again... oh well) http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=5 check it out for yourself... thats where i would be going if i were the losties... the beach and the surface are nothing but trouble... the 4 hatches we have seen havent had problems yet...

if you look at the pictures on losst media you can see the tunnels. There are at least 3 large rectangular corridoors heading underground. Each is 90 degrees from the other (might be good to check the hatch map, i havent seen that in a while, since its destroied now we probably wont see it ever again... oh well) http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=5 check it out for yourself... thats where i would be going if i were the losties... the beach and the surface are nothing but trouble... the 4 hatches we have seen havent had problems yet...

Good catch. Here's the blast door;
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BlastDoorMap.jpg

And the hole again;
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=6

The remains of three corridors are visible in the hole, and I think a fourth is hidden in the shot. Four corridors come out of the Swan hatch diagram on the blast door map. They were'nt visible while in the hatch, but hidden. It's a match.

I had hopes we'd be seeing Locke & co exploring dusty tunnels ala Indiana Jones, now it looks like it could still happen. One tunnel must point north, so maybe that'll be the route they'll need to get closer to JK&S.

Wild idea- One tunnel is the one leading to the vertical shaft. Suppose the contents of the hatch and surrounding earth were sucked out through the other three, each taking Locke, Desmond and Eko and dumping them out safely in different locations?

Weve never seen the hatch being connected to anything else on the show. Wheres the faith in the writiers? Theyve always come through on the lingering questions before, they will now, it will take time, and itll be awesome. Who knows if its time travel, but its a really cool addition to the show! I loved it!

I just posted this in the thread about Desmond and the effects that "something" has had on him but perhaps my post is best suited for this thread. In any case, I'll post it here too-

What I think has roughly happened- Locke, Eko and Desmond had some type of shared experience after Desmond turned the failsafe key, the electromagnetism was realeased and they all, I assume, blacked out. During the experience, Desmond and Eko were shown the future? Or did they actually live out the future? O_O In any case, Desmond definitely felt that Locke's speech (and probably not just that) have already happened. What did Locke get out of this experience, well he was for some reason temporarily mute... and eventually had the vision with Boone.

Another thing, the beginning of this episode reminded me so very much of the beginning of everything; the plane crash. Locke wakes up, not too badly injured, laid neatly in the grass. Desmond, too, seems to not be injured and is now naked. As crazy as all of this sounds... like I said, it reminds of the plane crash. How Jack woke up in the jungle and how so many of them were either not injured or only received minimal injuries. I thought then (after gaining knowledge of the others and some more about the Island) that either the Others or Smokey or something had hand picked the survivors and made sure that they were saved. Sure, this could just be chalked up to fate and maybe I'm even ok with that, but this scene with Locke and Desmond was so, very reminiscent of the plane crash that it makes me wonder. I mean, how would Locke and Dezzy just "end up" outside and on the grass like that? If they were blown out of the hatch, how did they survive the fall?

*breathes* alright, someone tell me how crazy I am to think all of this


Not crazy...just wondering when the writers will let the audience know what happened. I imagine something along the lines you described, and thanks for saving me all of that typing. :)

There's this book, The Time Traveller's Wife about (and I hope I'm not spoiling anything here) a time traveller. And when he goes backwards and forwards in time, he always ends up neked, becuase he can't time-travel any inanimate objects (like clothes).

Des knew what Locke was going to say, and that he was going to give a speech, and he wasn't even anywhere near the speech. I think the magnetism made him go through time, hear the speech from near Locke, only hidden (kind of like the time-travel parts of Harry Potter). Also, I think this because [/SPOILER]

Anyway, I think that's why Desmond was naked, more than the explosion/imploson blew his clothes off.

If this belongs elsewhere feel free to move it. I haven't posted much and it seemed relevant to me but then again, I'm very sleepy.

That was my thought too. In quite a few strories of time travel clothing is not able to go with the person. They may have added this as another red herring, trying to get us to think along those lines when it is a less fantastical explaination.

But there must be an explaination for why only Desmond lost his clothes not to mention his knowledge of the future. It may not involve time travel as much as, perhaps his getting a glimpse of it somehow. He doesn't have to have gone through time to have knowledge of it. I don't think it will be a one time thing, either.

Desmonds reaction to Hurley's reaction reminded me of they way Dr. Who's responds at times when he mentions something that will happen and his companion doesn't understand. He wasn't freaked by knowing about Locke but rather dismissed it like this was not new to him or not a surprise.

Whatever happen changed Desmond. You can see it in his face at the end. It remains to be seen if it has done the same to the other 3.

I just posted this in the thread about Desmond and the effects that "something" has had on him but perhaps my post is best suited for this thread. In any case, I'll post it here too-

What I think has roughly happened- Locke, Eko and Desmond had some type of shared experience after Desmond turned the failsafe key, the electromagnetism was realeased and they all, I assume, blacked out. During the experience, Desmond and Eko were shown the future? Or did they actually live out the future? O_O In any case, Desmond definitely felt that Locke's speech (and probably not just that) have already happened. What did Locke get out of this experience, well he was for some reason temporarily mute... and eventually had the vision with Boone.

Another thing, the beginning of this episode reminded me so very much of the beginning of everything; the plane crash. Locke wakes up, not too badly injured, laid neatly in the grass. Desmond, too, seems to not be injured and is now naked. As crazy as all of this sounds... like I said, it reminds of the plane crash. How Jack woke up in the jungle and how so many of them were either not injured or only received minimal injuries. I thought then (after gaining knowledge of the others and some more about the Island) that either the Others or Smokey or something had hand picked the survivors and made sure that they were saved. Sure, this could just be chalked up to fate and maybe I'm even ok with that, but this scene with Locke and Desmond was so, very reminiscent of the plane crash that it makes me wonder. I mean, how would Locke and Dezzy just "end up" outside and on the grass like that? If they were blown out of the hatch, how did they survive the fall?

*breathes* alright, someone tell me how crazy I am to think all of this

I thought the same thoughts, much like when Jack was in the grass. Even the way the camera zoomed out. And desmond running by naked much like the dog Jack saw after waking up.

If you go back to the second season, the writers make references to the South Atlantic Flash and all kinds of electromagnetic stuff that related to bending space and time. Exactly what has happened here.

Is this what happened when the hatch imploded? Thus Desmond is discombobulated and has heard Locke's speech before it occurred. He is trying to rationalize what happened, but no answer are forthcoming. Remember that Desmond was asked what happened when he activated the failsafe, and his response was that he didnt know. I think he just found out.


VIVA NAKED DESMOND!!!

Good catch. Here's the blast door;
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BlastDoorMap.jpg

And the hole again;
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=6

The remains of three corridors are visible in the hole, and I think a fourth is hidden in the shot. Four corridors come out of the Swan hatch diagram on the blast door map. They were'nt visible while in the hatch, but hidden. It's a match.


Nice catch! Now if we suggest, that each of these tunnels is a bit higher than a person, it would make this hole quite huge! Maybe they just messed up with a matte painting or something and thus, the hole looks so small.

I think we defintely saw some time traveling here......and don't forget
I don't remeber where exactly I read it, but Damon said that there will be a moment somewhere in the middle of the season where some people will say the show has "jumped the shark", and others will be blown away. I am thinking it could be the idea of time travel.

Remember there is time travel (juxtaposition) in the book "The third policemen" which was mentioned last season....very similar to what Des might be experiencing.

There's this book, The Time Traveller's Wife about (and I hope I'm not spoiling anything here) a time traveller. And when he goes backwards and forwards in time, he always ends up neked, becuase he can't time-travel any inanimate objects (like clothes).

Des knew what Locke was going to say, and that he was going to give a speech, and he wasn't even anywhere near the speech. I think the magnetism made him go through time, hear the speech from near Locke, only hidden (kind of like the time-travel parts of Harry Potter). Also, I think this because

one of the Lost writers said in an inverview that this week we would find out that one of the Lost characters has something in common with a character on Heros, and a character on that show, aptly named Hiro, can travel through time, and this past monday came back to warn the charactrs about an impending world-ending event. Additionally, I think this signifies that Desmond will be the "hero/hiro" of Lost, but that is neither here nor there.

Anyway, I think that's why Desmond was naked, more than the explosion/imploson blew his clothes off.

If this belongs elsewhere feel free to move it. I haven't posted much and it seemed relevant to me but then again, I'm very sleepy.

Desmond was naked because Kate and Sawyer were not in tonights epsiode and TBTB are contractally obligated to have a Kate/Sawyer/ ( now Desmond) half naked at least once in every episode. LOL

When was the last time Kate was half naked? Swimming in season one?

I'm glad it was Desmond this time! Logically with the hatch imploding they all should have died. However this island is not quite normal and rarely does anything logical happen!

I would like to see someone go and check out the side opening to the Swan (you know, the door that they used all last year instead of the hatch itself). Sadly, I doubt anyone ever will, and the implosion may not ever be mentioned again (until a Desmond flashback or something).

Urgh.

I know sickotriz, I was hoping that we would see some sort of clip of what actually happened when Des turned the key. I hope in the future we will see something. Also I wish Des would have been in more scenes. Although i'm not complaining it was great to have my Locke back!

You know, the side door annoyed me. LIke they couldn't ever find it before, and then all of a sudden "oh yeah the side door oh ok." That was a weak moment in s2 for me, anyway. But yeah, rest assured everyone, we will one day find out what went on in the hatch. Realize, though, it was over a year before we knew fully what happened to Claire when she was abducted, so...who knows...

I am guessing the implosion looked a lot like what happened to the house at the end of the movie "The Poultergeist".

I figure, if there's anything that might possibly be able to bend space and time, it would be an imploding electromagnetic anomoly. I personally love the new and improved Desmond.

I think the hatch was imploding when the timer ran down. Remember everything moving toward the center and the clock collapsing in on itself? Kelvin told Desmond that the failsafe would make it all go away. We assumed that meant an explosion, but maybe it meant that the implosion would complete, and the actual purpose of the failsafe was to (somehow) remove the occupants from the hatch before they were squished. :huh:

I sure hope the writers are going to give us a better explanation of what happened than they did last night because none of it makes sense right now. I'm not optimistic about this one though. I think they wrote this nifty little cliffhanger to keep us all guessing through the summer with absolutely no idea how to write themselves out of it, and what you get is episode 3.03. And that will be the end of it. Swept under the ever growing Lost rug.I wish I didn't feel this way. In fact it's the first time since the show started that I actually felt the writers were going to cop out, but that's exactly what I think will happen here.

Doesn't make sense that Locke, Desmond and Eko woke up in the jungle far from the hatch. If the hatch imploded, logically Locke, Eko and Desmond should be nothing more than pulverized bone and blood smears in the middle of that condensed metallic ball.

I thought the same damn thing!! I fear the other posters are right, though, and we will have to wait for the dreaded and inevitable FB to find out how they ended up naked and scattered about the island and in the cave of a man-eating polar bear. Oh, the horror.......:rolleye1:

Of course this won't be the end of it! Come on guys, give TPTB some credit! They'll for sure not let us down.

Good catch. Here's the blast door;
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:BlastDoorMap.jpg

And the hole again;
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=7

The remains of three corridors are visible in the hole, and I think a fourth is hidden in the shot. Four corridors come out of the Swan hatch diagram on the blast door map. They were'nt visible while in the hatch, but hidden. It's a match.

I had hopes we'd be seeing Locke & co exploring dusty tunnels ala Indiana Jones, now it looks like it could still happen. One tunnel must point north, so maybe that'll be the route they'll need to get closer to JK&S.

Wild idea- One tunnel is the one leading to the vertical shaft. Suppose the contents of the hatch and surrounding earth were sucked out through the other three, each taking Locke, Desmond and Eko and dumping them out safely in different locations?

OK, please take a look at the hole picture again, can someone explain to me that if this was an implosion where did the 25,000 (guess) yards of fill go that was covering the hatch? If this was an implosion the soil on top of the hatch should still be there...just sunken in to replace the volume of the hatch.
What if this was an explosion/implosion event...first there was an explosion that blew everything out of the hatch and thus fully exposing the magnetic force. This magnetic force then sucked all the metallic debris back towards the magnet leaving the course of anything non-metallic unchanged. Possibly the hatch builders used an aluminum hatch door because a steel door would be very difficult to open, and that would explain why it made it to the beach. However, this idea does not answer how Eko, Locke and Desmond made it out alive.
Scuzzle

I think the jumpsuit was made up of metalic fibers. That would explain why Desmond was naked but not Eko and Locke.

Bingo!

That is the most logical explanation i could come up with too :cool:

I think we're far from knowing the end of the Swan hatch. In fact I think an implosion was only half the story, as someone already pointed out that the guys ended up in the jungle.

I sure hope the writers are going to give us a better explanation of what happened than they did last night because none of it makes sense right now. I'm not optimistic about this one though. I think they wrote this nifty little cliffhanger to keep us all guessing through the summer with absolutely no idea how to write themselves out of it, and what you get is episode 3.03. And that will be the end of it. Swept under the ever growing Lost rug.I wish I didn't feel this way. In fact it's the first time since the show started that I actually felt the writers were going to cop out, but that's exactly what I think will happen here.

Right now an explosion-then-implosion sounds like the most probable idea to me.

I don't think the writers came up with this idea without having an idea of how to get themselves out of it...They are just very good at giving us the smallest bit of explanation to keep us watching.

And even if the writers did not know how to write themselves out of it, I am confident then when they DO come up with/reveal the answer, it will be satisfying.

Here's another idea on what could have happened when Desmond turned the key. (LONG)

I read a sci-fi story many years ago in which a man worked in an electric generating station. The armature had been removed from a giant superconducting generator, and he was inside inspecting when a random lightning strike hit the wiring near the plant, sending a huge amount of current through the generator's windings, which would have created a super-intense magnetic field. The man was found unconcious in the generator. He later came to, and seemed to be OK, but he was taken to a hospital and given a thorough checkup. Doctors were amazed to find out that he was physically reversed- all his organs were on the "wrong" side. Furthermore, it turned out that he was "reversed" on a molecular level. For example, as time went on nutrition became a problem because his cells were looking for "reversed" vitamin and mineral molecules. After a few months, they decided that the only way he could survive would be to reverse the process. They disassembled the generator, put him inside, and rigged up something to again induce a huge current in the generator's windings. After the switch was thrown, the man disappeared. After waiting for a few days, they decided the experiment had failed and reassembled the generator. That night, the chief engineer lay awake in bed trying to think of what could have gone wrong when he realized they had duplicated all the conditions of the initial accident except one- time. Just then he sees a flash over the horizon and realizes the generator has just exploded when the man rematerialized inside in the same space the armature was occupying.

(whew!)

I'm thinking something like this could have happened to the three hatch occupants. When desmond turned the key, the magnetic charge was instantaneously released, which somehow teleported the three men out of the hatch and possibly moved them through time (forget the reversed organs bit). Didn't the writers hint over the summer that the hatch survivors (if any) would be "changed" by this event?

I agree, the writers are thinking way ahead of where we are and are bound to go back on this subject. There are too many questions regarding how the hatch got the way it did and how Locke, Eko, and Desmond were in the jungle. It is almost as if the island itself saved them, like the black smoke. I don't know about Desmond, but Locke and Eko had safe encounters with the black smoke.

Still loved Hurley's expression when he came across Desmond! Think how you would react if you were hiking in the woods and came across a naked man. And where did his clothes go? Did the island underpant gnomes come get 'em! :)

Here's another idea on what could have happened when Desmond turned the key. (LONG)

I read a sci-fi story many years ago in which a man worked in an electric generating station. The armature had been removed from a giant superconducting generator, and he was inside inspecting when a random lightning strike hit the wiring near the plant, sending a huge amount of current through the generator's windings, which would have created a super-intense magnetic field. The man was found unconcious in the generator. He later came to, and seemed to be OK, but he was taken to a hospital and given a thorough checkup. Doctors were amazed to find out that he was physically reversed- all his organs were on the "wrong" side. Furthermore, it turned out that he was "reversed" on a molecular level. For example, as time went on nutrition became a problem because his cells were looking for "reversed" vitamin and mineral molecules. After a few months, they decided that the only way he could survive would be to reverse the process. They disassembled the generator, put him inside, and rigged up something to again induce a huge current in the generator's windings. After the switch was thrown, the man disappeared. After waiting for a few days, they decided the experiment had failed and reassembled the generator. That night, the chief engineer lay awake in bed trying to think of what could have gone wrong when he realized they had duplicated all the conditions of the initial accident except one- time. Just then he sees a flash over the horizon and realizes the generator has just exploded when the man rematerialized inside in the same space the armature was occupying.



Woh, what's the name of this story?

Woh, what's the name of this story?

Unfortunately, I don't have a clue. I just remember it was a short story in a science fiction anthology.

Looks like I'm gonna have to do a bit of research!

Thanks for the lead!

When desmond turned the key, the magnetic charge was instantaneously released, which somehow teleported the three men out of the hatch and possibly moved them through time

I like this explanation. It seems plausible.

I don't think the writers will ever explain the imploded hatch. They probably just want us to stop questioning it (there may be too many engineers watching the show) and move on to the new stories they are introducing. It is a TV series folks, let's keep that in perspective.

It is a TV series, yes...but it's LOST...which is on a totally different level...

They may not show exactly what happened or explain it in full, but I don't think we're done with this just yet...

I hope we actually get to see what happened inside the hatch when it exploded we have Locke just knocked out, Eko taken by a bear and Desmond with his clothes gone

if they decide to tell us i dont think it will be till next year

No of course we arent. Hope fully it will be revealed in episode five or six since episode five is eko centric


Definately some time bending or something. Im excited!

(there may be too many engineers watching the show)

Guilty as charged. ;)

Guilty as charged. ;)



ditto...i can't help it, the hatch captured my interest more than anything last season

I think triggering the 'failsafe' allowed Ol' Smokey to get into the hatch and save whomever was there. There are too many 'problems' associated with the implosion/explosion theories otherwise that make no sense. I'm not buying into the time-travel concept just yet.
For those that have complete faith in the writers explaining all to us, remember, we still don't know how the survivors escaped the crash in the first place.

Oldwiz

The hatch being 'imploded' means one thing, they were not in it when it imploded.
Ya dont need teleportation or time distortion to do that, chances are something more realistic and explainable happened (someone moved them, they got tossed out physically)...
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i don't think it would make sense to give people metalic suits when they're working in a geomagnetic station.

Wait a minute...Was Desmond wearing the jumpsuit when he turned the key? I thought he was still in his beach clothes...Did I miss the wardrobe change??

:confused:

I think triggering the 'failsafe' allowed Ol' Smokey to get into the hatch and save whomever was there. There are too many 'problems' associated with the implosion/explosion theories otherwise that make no sense. I'm not buying into the time-travel concept just yet.
For those that have complete faith in the writers explaining all to us, remember, we still don't know how the survivors escaped the crash in the first place.

Oldwiz

Great minds. I was just about to suggest Smokey when I saw that you beat me to it! :D

The hatch being 'imploded' means one thing, they were not in it when it imploded.
Ya dont need teleportation or time distortion to do that, chances are something more realistic and explainable happened (someone moved them, they got tossed out physically)...
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I am leaning toward this...but the bit with Charlie still bugs me. He was there. He saw what was happening..we saw him get up to leave...but 'nothing' happened. I'm not buying into the argument that he didn't care. He DID care enough to try and talk Locke and Eko out of what they were doing. He did CARE enough to try and help Eko out of there. The implosion happens and just a few minutes later he suddenly he doesn't care? :confused: He had to have SEEN something unless there was some kind of time distortion. If he did SEE something why not mention it?

I know..he had a bad knock on the head and was disoriented. If Benard or someone had found him passed out by the side of the trail that would be one thing...but he must have been close enough to see Locke/Eko and Desmon either running out...pulled out or flying through the air.

Unless he did see them flying through the air and didn't want to mention it considering his recent past history... :D

Of course theyll explain it eventually. The writers would never do something so ambiguous and not explain it.

I'm going to GUESS that they ran clear of the hatch, enough to avoid serious injury, just still got the effects of the explosion/implosion. Maybe they're planning a flashback, so we can learn for sure? I hope they don't just walk away from this seemingflaw in the storyline.

I am leaning toward this...but the bit with Charlie still bugs me. He was there. He saw what was happening..we saw him get up to leave...but 'nothing' happened. I'm not buying into the argument that he didn't care. He DID care enough to try and talk Locke and Eko out of what they were doing. He did CARE enough to try and help Eko out of there. The implosion happens and just a few minutes later he suddenly he doesn't care? :confused: He had to have SEEN something unless there was some kind of time distortion. If he did SEE something why not mention it?


That part was another odd discontinuity (is that a word?) in the whole implosion thing. It was almost as if it didn't happen as far as Charlie was concerned. What I remember was that after Eko's unsuccessful attempt to blow open the blast doors, he told Charlie to get out. Then the timer ran down and the implosion began as the magnetic force started pulling objects toward it (like Jack's key). Sometime shortly after that Desmond triggers the failsafe (whatever that ends up meaning) and there was a sound along with a radiating band of light (like a shockwave without the force).
I think Charlie was in camp with Claire when that happened wasn't he, and yet he did nothing at all. Why?
Nobody's going to bother to check the tunnels to see what's salvageable, at least?

Oldwiz

That part was another odd discontinuity (is that a word?) in the whole implosion thing. It was almost as if it didn't happen as far as Charlie was concerned. What I remember was that after Eko's unsuccessful attempt to blow open the blast doors, he told Charlie to get out. Then the timer ran down and the implosion began as the magnetic force started pulling objects toward it (like Jack's key). Sometime shortly after that Desmond triggers the failsafe (whatever that ends up meaning) and there was a sound along with a radiating band of light (like a shockwave without the force).
I think Charlie was in camp with Claire when that happened wasn't he, and yet he did nothing at all. Why?
Nobody's going to bother to check the tunnels to see what's salvageable, at least?

Oldwiz

True...Charlie tried to help Eko and Eko pushed him to the side and said something like "Get out Charlie' or whatever. The last time we saw Charlie he had just dodged the flying washer and dryer and had gotten up and headed...out of the station ..or that is what most of us assumed. By that time Desmond was ready to turn the key. Charlie couldn't have gotten THAT far. I suppose he could have been running and not looking back but he couldn't have run THAT fast.

He showed up at camp AFTER the weird noise and the light acting confused as though he expected to see L/D/E there...at least that's the way I interpreted it.

I hope the writers address this. It just doesn't add up.

Yeah, Charlie, and everyone else but Hurley, shows a distinct lack of inquisitiveness about an event of this magnitude. I mean, the ground shook and the sky turned purple. And that was from the other side of the Island where the others were. Wouldn't the people back at camp have heard/felt the explosion/implosion and gone running to find out what happened? They all seem strangely unaffected.

I am also hoping we'll see that event from the point of view of the others. It was great seeing their reaction to the first event that brought down the plane, how do you think they responded to this event? Do they know about Desmond and understand what happened?

Sheesh. Everytime TPTB answer one question on Lost, they raise at least five more!
:smile: (that's what I like about the show)

Also, who's blood was it on Desmond? Because it clearly wasn't his.

Isn't there a rebound effect after an implosion occurs? Things are sucked in and then part of the debris is bounced back? (Apologies to Locke, Desmond & Eko for calling them debris.)
Or
If a magnetic implosion consisted of a substantial number of metal objects being sucked inward, would air within the Swan be displaced and forced out through the openings, perhaps taking nonmetallic items with it?

Besides there may have been an implosion off setting device/explosion triggered when Dexter turned the failsafe switch.

LOL After reading some of the posts, I guess all the engineers are watching the show not writing it.

So, the hatch began sucking objects in when the button wasn't pushed. The timer collapsed in on itself, etc. If the polarity of the magnet was reversed by the fail-safe, the metallic objects would be forced out, but if the source of magnetism was destroyed, wouldn't everything just sit there?

Of course theyll explain it eventually. The writers would never do something so ambiguous and not explain it.
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Oh, that is PERFECT, SenatorKent! Thanks for making my day!

It will be highly interesting to see them TRY to explain this one! :rolleyes:

Sounds like the science committee at the Lost writers workshop was on vacation when they wrote this one.
I wonder about all the useful stuff that was in the hatch -- the washer and dryer, the dishes, the medical supplies, the record player, the excercise bike, the library, and the shower....what are the losties going to do now without those comforts of home they are once again denied? (Same thing they did when they were barred from coming when Fenry was locked up there, I guess.) Especially concerned about the medicine, which I believe was last locked up somewhere in the hatch.

Wait a minute...Was Desmond wearing the jumpsuit when he turned the key? I thought he was still in his beach clothes...Did I miss the wardrobe change??

:confused:

I am pretty sure Desmond was in his beach clothes. This is the closest screenshot to that time I can find right now.

http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821880/img_3617965.html

To me the hole is a reference to Ground zero!;)

hi, i needed to share my view on this so here it goes:

i think that an implosion started happening (but only attracting magnetic things into the electromagnet, so desmond and company werent affected yet). as desmond turned the key an explosion was started in the electromagnet itself causing it to blow up and so sending desmond and the rest flying up into the air and landing somewhere outside the hatch safely.

what i find very interesting (and fits my theory) is that the scene with the imploded hatch seems to show only the room with the electromagnet. i think this was the only room affected in the hatch and everything else is ok. from the picture we see loads of melted cables (the electromagnet) and three ventilation passages leading to the rest of the hatch. i think by going through one of these they can easily get to the other rooms and maybe see the blast door map again if they need to.

hope that makes any sense, its just what i think :)

Are they ventilation ducts or are they the corridors leading away from the Swan station? I can't tell......

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=7

parts of the hatch implode, air rushing out blows debris outward. desmond is somehow protected by that super thick concrete in the hatch's sub level that sayid once explored. in crawling out, sheds his clothes ? oh well, it makes more sense to me than teleportation right now.

Are they ventilation ducts or are they the corridors leading away from the Swan station? I can't tell......

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=-1185&pos=7

Remember the season 2 opener when Locke dropped a stone into the shaft and he and Kate determined it was 40-50 feet down?, (to the swan floor level). Locke had to be sure on that because he must have measured the rope he made to decend it. Now look at the blast hole and tell me how far down it looks to the bottom of those shafts, taking into account the grass plants above them are about knee-high. I'd say 20, 25 feet max. That puts them about at the level of the ventilation ducts, whos interior height is about 3-4 feet. That matches too.

These are ventilation ducts, and not those we saw running within the floor plan of the living/computer areas.

I seriously doubt any plausible explanation will be coming. Maybe they have a FB scene already shot and in the can.

But, I believe I read somewhere that the Swan set has been torn down. So it doesn't look good.

Well, one of the writers did say that one of the characters

would have something in common with a character on Heros

and I don't think anyone else did. But there could be others.

I think we have seen others that fit the description:

the chearleader on Heros can heal herself -- maybe that is why ecko, charlie and locke (and the passengers that survived the crash) did not die during the hatch implosion -- because they can heal themselves.

To me the hole is a reference to Ground zero!;)


Now hold it right there **MOD EDITED** I dont quite know what you are getting at, **MOD EDITED**

I wondered the same thing....which means that we're going to have to have a flashback from one , or all, of them...though, with our luck, that may be the reason why LOST is going on hiatus til February after the first 6 episodes--so they can think up a way to get themselves out of that hatch! lol

They are on hiatus because they are not showing any reruns this year. I actually picked up a copy of the Lost Magazine this month just to see how they put it together and they had an interview with Damon. In the interview Damon says that he and the writing staff took a 3 week break after Season Two ended. So at this point they're probably past developing the story arc long after the hiatus.

We may never know how they got out of the hatch exactly...hell, maybe the Others came in an dragged them out so that they had more people to mess with!

"Oh the small minds of men without the science of faith."

Three men go into the hatch, one runs out.

Bathe me in your hum...light my skies ablaze.

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9811020

This should aid you.

AmILost?

Perhaps it was an explosion/expulsion (hence, debris falling from the sky and the three of them being thrown clear) and then a prompt implosion?;)

Theoretically possible. From a physics point of view, think about how a large explosion underwater might look: explosion/expulsion, quickly followed by an implosion due to the force of the external pressure (i.e. the water). This would assume there's an external force around the island; if you will, Desmond's "snow globe" remark. Yeah, they could've been thrown free from the initial "blast," before the whole thing collapsed on itself. Theoretically, yes; realistically, the three of them would be dead either way. But this is TV Land, folks!

*hic*
:cool:

I know what happened - turning the failsafe key also activated a transporter that beamed the three of them out just before the implosion and dropped in the jungle. It's a very sophisticated system that will not beam out anything that belongs in the hatch, like the Dharma clothes that Des was wearing. Hey, it even beamed out Eko's Jesus stick.

Yeah, I know. I've watched a little too much Star Trek. WTH, I've seen some pretty far fetched theories on this board, why not toss out another one. :biggrin:


(Dear God, I hope I'm not right. That would be a very disappointing explanation).

OMG!! Ive got it. It twas it twas an alien spacecraft. It didnt blow up. It launched. Why else would an underground dome have transparent windows. Desmonds cloths are lying on the floor of some alien inspectors exam room. The door from the hatch just fell off in flight. Then they were beamed down after reaching the mothership which is why they dont show up till a day after Charlie.:biggrin:

Thats an...................interesting theory.......................anyway............... ..



i like tarkus's theory about beaming stuff out that shouldnt be there. sounds neat and original.

(Dear God, I hope I'm not right. That would be a very disappointing explanation).

no offense, but me too.

Sucked stuff in and spat them out. patooey!

Well I don't see anyone talking about what Locke said saved them from the imploding hatch ... "the polar bears". We later see that Eko is in a cave with a polar bear. So lets assume the polar bears DID save these guys. What do we have here? There are white bears but I don't think they are polar bears.

There is a white bear called a Sprit bears and you can read about them here: http://www.indians.org/articles/spirit-bear.html The spirit bear according to Indian legend is a bear sent to remind people of harder times back in the days of the ice age. They live in British Columbia and southern Alaska.

Now remember, the last episode has Locke sitting in an indian sweat lodge, eating a hullcinogen that he made from local plants (I suppose) and he then knew how to find Eko, who was being held by a white "spirit" bear. Lots of Indian references in this episode.

I think these bears are the bears that were in the Other's cages. They are smart and were trained to save people during an emergency. Think about it, a bear is about the only animal strong enough to save a human in an emergency. The bear holding Eko was not going to eat him. It was protecting him. And Spirit bears would live in caves unlike polar bears, which would likely die on the island. Just not the right habitat!

So far we have seen evidence for bears, sharks (the ones with the Dharma logo on the tail) and dolphins (the tank where Jack is being held). Animals seem to be playing a part in all of this. I think they have been trained, the bears to save people, the sharks to keep people on the island. Not sure what the dolphins do.

Now hold it right there **MOD EDITED to remove derogartoy comments**

This is totally uncalled for HH.

This type of post does nothing but toss a lit match onto a powder keg.

Message to all...do not flame or bait someone based on their national orgin. If it happens again or someone jumps in to add something to this...points will be handed out.

sully, i like this theory a LOT! It makes sense that the Others would use the animals for this reason.

Would the bears have enough time to drag out all three before it all hell broke loose?

What imploding hatch? Do we know there was an imploded hatch?

This is what I see as pros (that there was an imploding hatch) and cons (there was no imploding hatch):

Pros:

1.) Locke (who just took a hallucinatory drug) says the hatch "imploded".

Cons:

1.) We don't actually see the hatch implode.
2.) Charlie says "nothing happened" when Claire asks what happened.
3.) Nobody looks for L/E/D after the supposed implosion.
4.) Charlie (I think) says to Locke, "But you didn't implode"
5.) The "imploded hatch" that we see looks very similar to how we saw it in season 1 when Boone and Locke first dig it up.
6.) Locke, Desmond, and Eko escape un-imploded.
7.) The hatch door flies all the way to the beach.

Appears to me Locke has everyone tricked.

What imploding hatch? Do we know there was an imploded hatch?

This is what I see as pros (that there was an imploding hatch) and cons (there was no imploding hatch):

Pros:

1.) Locke (who just took a hallucinatory drug) says the hatch "imploded".

Cons:

1.) We don't actually see the hatch implode.
2.) Charlie says "nothing happened" when Claire asks what happened.
3.) Nobody looks for L/E/D after the supposed implosion.
4.) Charlie (I think) says to Locke, "But you didn't implode"
5.) The "imploded hatch" that we see looks very similar to how we saw it in season 1 when Boone and Locke first dig it up.
6.) Locke, Desmond, and Eko escape un-imploded.
7.) The hatch door flies all the way to the beach.

Appears to me Locke has everyone tricked.

I think because two characters said it did, we have to accept it. Any explanation is going to be as far out as another anyway. If Desmond had said a UFO flew off with the hatch after spitting them out in the jungle, then that's what happened.:rolleyes:

Well.... if it did not implode...how do you explain the huge flippin crater where parts of the Swan USED to be?

I think someone NOT too up on science decided to throw out the term "imploded" because it sounded cooler than "exploded." As for having faith it will be explained, why should we? As for saying they've never let us down yet, of course they have.

The "explanation" last season about what made the plane crash was terrible as far as science goes. It left the viewers with the job of explaining how the EMP brought about the crash. Now the dedicated viewers (you) are busy accounting for an "implosion" that seems implausible.

Didn't everyone want to see the last moments of the Hatch replayed and SEE what happened to Des, Locke, Eko when the key turned? Wouldn't that have been satisfying to watch? Instead, we got nothing. We got them strewn through the jungle, we got Desmond naked strictly for eye candy factor, the word "implosion" tossed around, little discussion of the Hatch. All signs point to them not having a clear explanation of it so they glossed over it and moved on. Very unsatisfying.

I seriously don't think it helps this show for everyone to work so hard to make inadequate explanations make sense and then theorize we'll find out down the road. This blind acceptance enables the writers to say whatever they want no matter how sloppy the science is. This could have been a thread where those of you smart enough to know how an implosion works stood up and say Nah! Not buying it!

Then maybe next time they wouldn't feel free to just pick an easy one word answer and throw it out there. Ask for some accountability with the science aspects. Otherwise it will get worse and worse with things swept under the rug forever unexplained, having served the purpose of being cool and providing a storyline for a season.

Re the Third Policeman:
the protagonist believes that de Selby is a great thinker and scientist, but instead we see that de Selby's idea of a good theory is that bad dark air creates night. But our guy never catches on and wraps his life around studying de Selby and trying to excuse his errors ... sound familiar?

Why can't we just say "that was no implosion; no one would have survived an implosion." Make a statement that you won't enable sloppy writing about physics by thinking of so many ways to explain it that they don't have to explain it, because the waters are so muddy with possibilities they are just free to file the Hatch storyline as a wrap. And tear down the set.

Re-read the old story, "The Emperor's New Clothes" and ask yourself who you would be in that story, the courtiers or the boy who questions?

First post - first time on this forum so be kind please. I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not already. I did a search and didn't find any links.

When I saw that the three were not in the hatch and that there was a large electromagnetic burst, I thought immediately of the Philadelphia Experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_experiment

The quick and dirty is that back in the 1940's the government experimented with using very strong electromagnetic fields to bend light around an object. They were trying to create a new kind of invisibility. What ended up happening was that the navy ship that this was installed on somehow teleported to another location (Philadelphia to Norfolk, VA) within minutes and then back to Philadelphia. While the authenticity of this story is still debated, you could see where the writers could use some of this story.

Maybe Desmond got zapped into the future and time caught up with him once Locke saw him? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some of the items from the hatched fused with trees or rocks. Also, who says that the huge electromagnetic phenomena in the hatch was natural? Could the island be used for experiments similar to the ones above?

Thanks for the read. Stay Lost.

Didnt read everything but the part where they are looking at is just the little bit were the stairs were like when they blew off the Lid to get inside its not the whole hatch

I was thinking, the communication is down, right? Is this because when the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) timed out and exploded (causing the purple sky) could it have collapsed the antenna? If so, it is because the tower was magnetic or metal. This made me think some more, the plane was or is made of mostly aluminum or other composite materialsnon magnetic, how was it truly brought down?

In addition why would the cables found by Sayid not be ripped out of the ocean if the EMF (or incident for lack of a better term) was so strong? I am sure thatthe underwater cable is what connected the two islands or perhaps the islands to the outside world.

What are your thoughts on this lil idea?

Seems to me that there is a very interesting theory that explains why Desmond, Locke & Eko all made it out of the Hatch.

Now bare with me. Anyone remember the food drop? How did the food show up? Plane drop? Noone heard any planes overhead. Correct?

Well, that brings up my theory. Interdimensional travel. A little bit of Stargate if you may. If what the Lost world really is equates to is a parallel universe/earth then why, in theory now, could I not put my food down at Point A, manipulate (utilizing a SUPER magnet) the earth/space continuum, and have the food show up at Point B. Hello Hiro from Heroes! Or Jodie Foster in Contact! Where the vessel she was in disappeared through space/time for seconds - Earth time (although the 8 hours of video her camera recorded proved that she was gone for longer)!!!!!!!!!!!

Why couldn't the same be applied for Desmond, Locke & Eko? I think some of the other posters may be onto something. Desmond, Locke & Eko very well could have shifted places and/or time, changing dimensions so quickly that they didn't even realize that it had happened. Thus no memory of the event.