Ok so I assume many people here have heard of or seen the movie "The Others"?* Well if you have not then maybe you do not want to read on because the idea in the movie will kind of be explained in this thread.

In the movie "The Others", Nicole Kidman and her children were the dead one (Ghosts) and the people wispering were the people who were alive.* I do not think the survivors on this island are dead nor do I think JJ and Crew would be so obvious to use the idea of "The Others" for this show. So maybe the whispers in Lost are of the dead people(the people who have died on this island) and the survivors and now the French Lady are the real people. Maybe the Ghosts think the real people are ghosts as in "The Others"* Please write your ideas about what Daneil meant by "The others" when she was referring to the voices and what Sayid thought of the whispers.

Sayid is ether going to shrivel up in a ball next week and wimper like a little baby because of the whispers or Sayid is going to turn around because he now knows his theory about the Daniel being crazy are wrong.

yea when danielle said the others...i immediately thought of that movie......but i am starting to think that the others are dead and somehow the people that are alive can hear their whispers...

my theory: the voices are those of the people who died from the disease. their spirits somehow get absorbed by the island. so far we have seen that this island gives you something but takes something as well.

There must be a reason Sayid's gun didn't fire, just like Robert's didn't. Maybe it did and things are just reversed (as in the dead are alive, and vice-versa). However, this seems unlikely b/c even if this was the intention when the show was created, with everyone guessing this idea, the writers would turn it around to mean something else entirely anyways (which is a good thing- keeps us interested).

maybe the whisperers can sometimes take shape of a human (like how in the Others they saw the people every once in a while, and other times they only heard them) and they could be Ethan.

Well...maybe the island is projecting their inner thoughts? So far it has made them face their past...maybe the voices is part of it?

The reason the gun did not go off was because Danielle took the firing pin out of the gun. No other reason. Gun does not work properly without the firing pin.

Never saw "The Others" but does anyone think that maybe we are seeing what Sayid is seeing rather than what is actually happening. Like maybe the scary Jungle and the input of what the French Lady said is making him think he is hearing whispers.

Kinda like in White Rabbit where the camera work got all sleepy and shifty while Jack was chasing after his "father." His Insomnia induced experience was what we were seeing.

OR . . .

I could be wrong

Jack really did see his father though. Obviously not his real father but something other than Jack created this image of Jack's father. I am betting the whispers are real since JJ Abrams is involved. Oh, and Fury.

Are you sure that Jack was not hallucinating his father?? He was seriously sleep deprived?

Come to think of it Sayid is under some serious stress too and he was injected with who knows what (Could explain the voices).

[just kidding font] But if I am bothering you speculators I will take my logical self elsewhere [/just kidding font]

No logic stay here, if not for logic, we may all start hearing whispers too. HUH, what was that? ???

whispers* . . . whispers* . . . whispers



ok . . . back to topic . . .* any more outlandish ideas I can refute with my illgotten logic?

I sill think aliens are involved somehow (comic book). They could be the others.

And Jack was hallucinating his dad, because no one else saw it. What we don't know is was his hallucination induced by exhaustion or SOME OUTSIDE ENTITY :-\

If the others are aliens AND caused Jack's hallucination, they must be capable of communicating telepathically with humans, so THEY could be the source ot the tree-shaking 'IT' or 'ITS'

And since Danielle was surprised to find Sayid, I no longer believe she is the one that hit Sayid on the head in The Moth. Possibly Alex?

I'm beginning to suspect there is something very unusual about Walt. And I don't believe Vincent is what he appears to be either.

Refute away! ;D

my theory: the voices are those of the people who died from the disease. their spirits somehow get absorbed by the island. so far we have seen that this island gives you something but takes something as well.


Mmmh, that made me think of something. What if, in exchange for whatever the island gave you, you have to give it your soul? That doesn't sound very 'Lost' like...and it doesn't work, because what Charlie had to give up for his guitar was his drugs. We don't know what Locke lost, by the way...maybe he didn't have to?

Heh, nevermind. XD

The writers have said that everything on the show is meant to be scientifically plausible (although perhaps not accurate).

The writers have said that everything on the show is meant to be scientifically plausible (although perhaps not accurate).


I heard that, and the opposite. What Fury had said was that they were tring to keep a 'Scully' view of things, and not a 'Mulder' one. Meaning that the characters try to find a plausible, scientific answer...Or just not talk about it. Something like that. XD But they never said EVERYTHING had a scientific answer- some things just wouldn't work.

But they never said EVERYTHING had a scientific answer- some things just wouldn't work.


Here's what David Fury said:

In other words, we come from the "there must be some rational, scientific explanation for these things" as opposed to "no, look, Scully, there be monsters here. Accept it." Part of what I said can be attributed to the network's aversion to "genre television." Ironically, the things that sold the show, scared them. So we assurred them that we'll have the simple explanation to go along with everything as we start out.

That means no ghosts, purgatory, aliens, they're-all-dead, island-soul-sucking, island-giving-you-what-you-most-desire, sentient-island theories.

Well, whatever it is, it has to be able to sustain itself from a storytelling standpoint, because this show is intended to last longer than a miniseries. It has to be something interesting enough, and open-ended enough to branch off into multiple storylines over multiple seasons. Otherwise, once they figure out what it is (and overcome it), then we just have a more dramatic Gilligan's Island. And I don't think that's what they have in mind.

I can see the Others being permanent fixtures on the island, a la the Sleestak from Land of the Lost.

DP

Just because there will be explanation to the idea does not mean no ghosts, aliens, etc.... El Monty.

I can make an explanation for any idea you throw at me. Also, this was Fury writing here, he could be lying.

Look at Alias. There are some far-fetched ideas in that show (Rambaldi artifacts, in particular), but everything is portrayed as realistic and plausible.

Exactly, Like the picture of Syd from hundreds of years ago right? Plausible? I think not.

Are you sure that Jack was not hallucinating his father?? He was seriously sleep deprived?

Spoiler: Jack's dad's body WAS on the place :o

That's from spoilerfix.com

That means no ghosts, purgatory, aliens, they're-all-dead, island-soul-sucking, island-giving-you-what-you-most-desire, sentient-island theories.


I have a feeling that there could be rational, scientific explanations for at least some of these things. I think a show like LOST could make us believe some of this stuff was really happening. Some people already believe in aliens and a ton of people believe in purgatory, ghosts, spirits, demons, etc. I think what we really need to get at is how "good" are the writers at enticing us to suspend our disbelief long enough to let one of these scenarios play out.

They've got me . . . I mean 47 survivors . . . not so believable, but here I am believing it anyway. And a "monster" on the island . . . When Danielle said "there's no such thing as monsters" I wanted to say, "Yes there are. What else can make those kinds of noises and shake the trees and peer down at Locke from that height and reach in and grab the pilot?" Needless to say my disbelief has been suspended.

Regarding the whispering, the others etc., it's my opinions that there HAS to be something to it. As some others have mentioned, with all the weird things happening on the island, and the way they seem to be taking to story, there's got to be way more to this development beyond drugs or just insanity. We all know Danielle has issues, but I know there was some truth to what she was talking about, it will come into play later, I'm sure of it.

It's the same thing with Jack and his father. His body WAS on the plane, and it did disappear from the coffin. It wasn't just a hallucination. They have shown they are really taking this story into very cool, fantastic places. After all the bizarre things that have happened, the crazy new developments, there's something to it.

The writers have said that everything on the show is meant to be scientifically plausible (although perhaps not accurate).

If that were the case then the soul in exchange for whatever is out. The writers could be messing with us. What is going on is not scientifically plausible. No island of the size we are seeing would go unvisited for 16 years no matter how remote. No lightbulb would last 16 years nor is there any reason to think that a supply of lightbulbs just happened to be left there by people who were on the island prior to the last group from the scientific expedition. So who are the Others ? Cannibals ? Aliens ? Ex-Apprentice contestants ? Elvis fans ? Or are the others simply a projection of the groups animus ? Don't know..

The deal with Jacks Dad, is that his Dad was looking at him from various points on the beach. The most obvious one was from the shore line. Now I ask how he was talking to Kate, and over Her Shoulder saw his Father, and not any one else saw him? There are 40+ people and only he saw him there? Seems like a hallucination - () . Now when Jack ran off into the jungle, his father seemed to be popping up, and so he chased, being led to the water supply.

The only point I have to say other than Jack was seeing things is that the coffin was empty. Jack opened it, then smashed it. I don't know too if the casket toppled over in the crash and his body fell out, and it just happened to rest right side up, that was kind of a Cliff hanging point. I think he was hallucinating that, and his Fathers body was taken by the Others, or by pure luck it fell out some place, ate boars meat and pulled a weekend at Bernie's deal! LOL

Hmm, I do think that this whole thing has something to do with death though.. Remember what the black lady said about her husband [who died in the crash]? When Jack said that he was dead, she replied with something along the lines of "That's what they think too.." So I think "the others" might've been some sort of reference to the movie The Others. The writers have indicated that pretty much everything on the show has a meaning to it..

I'm not convinced that Jack's Dad's body is on the island.* Who is this spoilerfix.com?* And where does he/she get his/her information?


I think he was hallucinating that, and his Fathers body was taken by the Others, or by pure luck it fell out some place, ate boars meat and pulled a weekend at Bernie's deal! LOL


lol weekend at Bernie's . . .

I want some real proof on the daddy's body thing . . . i'm not being difficult just interested