http://www.stargazing.net/Astroman/NTBio.html
This amazing real-world scientist did so many fascinating things with energy, gravity, sound waves, light, etc. that we should familiarize ourselves with.* He also invented the coil that made the monster come to life in both the "Frankenstein" and "Young Frankenstein" movies.* Movie special effects people have high regard for him.* We know JJ Abrams is a fan of all things interesting and scientific (as we are) and he no doubt wanted to incorporate some of Tesla's ideas into his show.* The link above is to a short biography of Tesla.* After reading it, I would bet the rent money you will want to read more about him.* One of the things he invented was degaussing.* It was used in WWII to make our ships "invisible" to the magnetic torpedoes used by the German U-boats.* Essentially, it demagnetized the ships, so the torpedoes couldn't find them.* Tesla worked with sound frequencies, too.* He caused small earthquakes with them and made buildings collapse in one famous experiment.* And Tesla experimented with changing brain waves from alpha to beta.* Oh, that JJ is a clever guy.* I am sure he is a Tesla fan and wants us to be, too.* I am advancing the theory that perhaps the French experiment was with Tesla coils or some of his other fascinating experiments -maybe microwaves.* Will this be one of those posts the writers refer to as being almost creepy because they come so close?*
Luv ??? ???

Another of the you can't see and hear everything. I like it. Just more to ponder.

Thanks, Sam Grant. I'm hoping for serious discussion of these points by some of our hard core nerds.

I'm posting in this so that I remember to go back and follow that link when I have more time.* Very interesting, LuvMySayid!*

LuvMy
:biggrin: Tesla was a man before his time and invented many things w/o getting credit for them. He held patents for many items.
He wanted a world of wireless communication and electricity back in 1911.
He had tried to contact Mars :alien:
and held a patent for a tower that sounds a bit like HAARP :starwars:
He claimed to have invented a ray that could destroy 10,000 airplanes and he could split the earth like an apple
and a "fueless" car
try :
www.nickf.com/tesla.htm
I don't blame JJ for being impressed. ;)

Bess, Nicola Tesla is the genius who first harnessed Niagra Falls for hydroelectric power, too. There is a statue of him there. I have seen it. He invented remote control and robotics, too. His ideas were waaaayy ahead of his time. I truly believe he was the 20th century's greatest genius.

LuvMySayid

This ones a good one. A long time ago, maybe not even on this board I asked about the electricity on the Isalnd and if you could make a battery using the ocean. I still don't know but this stuff is great. I remember the name Telsa and the coil I guess from science class. Wow.

Still only one part of this huge mystery. I need some reading time.

Sam, oh yes indeed Tesla made batteries using magnesium from sea water! I will search around for a specific link for you, if you like, but putting in Tesla should get that and much, much more fascinating reading for you. I am now formulating the idea that because he was experimenting with brain waves and robotics that the Lost writers might be going in the direction of a robotic person. Say, Ethan? What is my evidence, you ask. Well, his amazing, super-human strength, for example. And what if the monster is another robotic being? We do hear mechanical sounds when it's around.

Sam, oh yes indeed Tesla made batteries using magnesium from sea water!* I will search around for a specific link for you, if you like, but putting in Tesla should get that and much, much more fascinating reading for you.* I am now formulating the idea that because he was experimenting with brain waves and robotics that the Lost writers might be going in the direction of a robotic person.* Say, Ethan?* What is my evidence, you ask.* Well, his amazing, super-human strength, for example.* And what if the monster is another robotic being?* We do hear mechanical sounds when it's around.*


But he bleeds. Very "Terminator" .....
Love to read the link. There's so much on the first one. How smart are we all going to be. What if they made school like this? I liked school but this is fun too.

As much as I too am a Tesla fan... not just the rock group... please don't discount that at the time Tesla was thought of as a madman.

BTW - I believe his lab and some of his experimental towers and Tesla Coils can still be vistied in Colorado.

at the time Tesla was thought of as a madman.

And in their time, so was Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Madam Curie (add a string of scientists' names here).* The point is that almost anyone who is truly a forward thinker - ahead of his/her time is thought to be "mad" by those unable to grasp the nature of their work.* Passage of time usually makes heros of them.* Glad to hear there are other Tesla fans on the board!*

Kgmaus and Sam Grant, here is a link to the Tesla society web page, which you will enjoy.
http://www.teslasociety.com/

i'ma a big fan of the theory too

i would just tie in another theory : the Captain nemo theory :)
in the book , 20000 leagues under the sea, by Jules Verne in 1870 (Tesla was 14 .. 14 errrr nevermind :) ) Nemo was well ahead of its time
I would see him use Tesla Coils a few devices that Tesla invented
In fact if you watch the movie with Omar Shariff after reading about Tesla, you would probably think that the book was inspired by some of Tesla's works (although it was written before)
We talked about undeground tunnels leading to the sea, there is a crater on the island. This could leave us with a modern captain nemo tv show

i thought i'd just throw it in here :)

Tesla's theories are almost unlimited. Some of their applications could actually cut through a plane, provide anti-gravity for the plane chunks to safely land on an island

i've got to look deeper into that but that's a great catch here

At the moment, scientists are exploring Tesla's work to design what is called a "railgun"
One military application would be weapons, any size, in fact some crazy people (we may call them visionnaries) think that railguns might be the next generation of weapons
basically a railgun uses an electromagnetic field to propell projectiles like the powder would do in a firearm

the railgun was first "introduced" when Ronald Reagan launched the "star wars" defense programm in 1980 (this would put Danielle's team in the same time as the beginning of the researches on magnetic fields and railguns)

railgun use Lorentz force and the the principles of Tesla* (Lorentz, Tesla and Einstein were contemporary, they all worked on electromagnetic field, and on some parts of physics that became the Theory of relativity)
in case you wanted to read more about that
http://www.physics.northwestern.edu/classes/2001Fall/Phyx135-2/19/railgun.htm

http://www.teslasociety.com/earthlights.jpg

Just starting to read but this is an awsome picture. Look at all the black where our Lostaways are.

Wow... that's very cool... I actually used it for my background!

Thnx SG... ;D

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6820.0

I had read about the Vile Vortices before but wanted to go with what science could provide. Would there be a reason to build a TC coil in a location like this?

Would there be a reason
What occurred to me was that a non-bladed Tesla turbine is beneath the hatch. It could be powered by magnesium reclaimed from seawater. That turbine could power the electromagnetic field which comprises the "dome" over the island. The dome renders the island "invisible" to detection by instruments. The dome also serves as a conductor for use with the "tractor beam" which brought down the plane gently enough, with anti-gravity, that the Lostaways were able to survive the landing. The French "others" are the scientists conducting these experiments (and others) on the island. I like professor tarf's theory about a source for superconduction located within the island beneath the earth - perhaps a meteorite containing elements unknown to us. This theory would at least explain the "how", if not the "why" of the plane crash.

Ummmm.... couldn't our Black RocK fill this void???

There's a crater and everything... like a huge magnet or something crashed here. The whole reason why experiments are being conducted here. Or the source fo all this electromagnetic current.

Ummmm....* couldn't our Black RocK fill this void???
There's a crater and everything...* like a huge magnet or something crashed here.* The whole reason why experiments are being conducted here.* Or the source fo all this electromagnetic current.

I thought perhaps a meteorite/small asteroid, partly burned during entry to the atmosphere and not completely buried on impact, might be what Danielle refers to as the black rock.*

http://www.amasci.com/tesla/biog.txt

Above is a link to what is believed to be Tesla's autobiography. There are some very interesting things in here. Some of what he talks about when he was a child, the ability to mentally project, ties in with a lot of my theories. Plus LuvMySayid, there is much in him that coincided with your theories. We may be on to something here. Just as a side note. I had done a search for tesla&black rock. The is a burning man festival that happens one a year in the Black Rock desert, they utilize tesla coils for some of the special effects. one of the hits I got on the search actually stated, That black rock appears out of nowhere and from nowhere every year. One writer stated that it challenges people to see beyond what they normally see, plus there are a lot of other references. I'm not saying that it does apply to what we are discussing, but I wonder if JJ has ever gone to the Burning Man Festival. It's kind of interesting here's one account. I think the very end of it might prove interesting.

http://www.donaldedavis.com/PARTS/BM98.html

The Burning Man Festival is held in Nevada each year. Actually, it's held relatively close to where I live.
I was gonna go last year, but I changed my mind after reading some experiences and really looking into it.

It's in the middle of the dessert, seriously. VERY WINDY, nothing there.... NO THING. It's really a festival of artists and hippies that never emerged from the early 70's.

No offense to anyone's that been.

" please don't discount that at the time Tesla was thought of as a madman."

...and one of the reasons for this is that Einstein himself worked very hard to discredit Tesla (who I think it said may have been the true inventor of the light bulb and other inventions of the time).

Anyway, I like this idea, it makes* a lot of sense.* I posted a theory about the Planetary Grid (and Vile Vortices) which also involves naturally occuring points of power on the earth, magnetism and anti-gravity, but it would be more of a pseudo-science at this point.* However, I used it to choose a possible location for the island.* Here is a link to my theory. http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6820.0

Do you think it could be a combination of the two theories....that there was research in the area to prove/disprove the existence of the planetary grid and/or to see if Tesla's inventions could be powered by this 'grid'?* Even if not, I still like the ideas that you are presenting here, especially if they are shying away from their earlier pseudo-science comments.

" please don't discount that at the time Tesla was thought of as a madman."

...and one of the reasons for this is that Einstein himself worked very hard to discredit Tesla (who I think it said may have been the true inventor of the light bulb and other inventions of the time).


You mean Edison not Einstein right? Let's make sure we smear the right turn-of-the-last-century scientist here.

It was an AC/DC thing, if anyone wants to know . . .

Yes, possibly that's who I meant. It's been a while since I read that piece of info! lol, my bad!

As much as I too am a Tesla fan...* not just the rock group...* please don't discount that at the time Tesla was thought of as a madman.

BTW - I believe his lab and some of his experimental towers and Tesla Coils can still be vistied in Colorado.


Most geniuses are thought to be madmen because they are thinking beyond their times. There is reincarnation, and I believe, PREincarnation....people born into times before they should be, instead of born into the the next time after their own. Like DaVinci and Tesla----PREincarnated

Like Rambaldi???

You got it Roger! ;D

PRE - incarnation, huh? Never heard of it.

Would that be like if say... Hawking were to die tomorrow.... he would be re-incarnated into a baby born...say the same time as Einstein was born?

Then Hawking and Einstein would be contemporaries?

Is this what you all mean, D and Roger?

I am not sure it is really a term, its just something I use to describe someone who is way ahead of their time, therefore everyone thinks they are nuts in their time and in the future people tend to realize just how brilliant they were. I am not saying I can tell you how it would work, just saying that maybe in the scheme of things, some people are projected backwards and not forwards. Of course, to believe this you would have to believe in parallel universes and reincarnation after death, soooo

No doubt at all that Tesla was ahead of his time. *Have you read his autobiography? *It's posted on the web for free. *At the turn of the century he had ideas and designs for nuclear-powered rockets and bombs, drones to be remotely operated for intelligence gathering, and many other so-called new technology. *I am formulating more ideas based on his work, but they are not completely coherent yet. *When they are, I will post them here on the forum.

Here's an interesting development. Tesla and Debussy, the composer of the music to Beyond the Sea, were contemporaries. Tesla, born 1856... Debussy, born 1862. They could have know each other.

Check this other Fuse thread.
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6928.0

My reference to the Burning Man Festival was not that what happens there has a lot to do with what we are talking about. Just that at some point in time JJ may have gone there. Black Rock appears out of no where and apparently from nowhere every year for this festival. Key words being underlined. It also has a theme of looking deeper into everything and not taking them at face value. "Everything not being as it appears." They do use Tesla Coils during this festival and maybe JJ first got interested in Tesla from this, just theorizing.

What function could Tesla Coils have with what's going on? I mean other than make the compass be off. Not being very knowledgable of science I could use a little help.

You know.... SG had a thought on another thread about Adam and Eve being Emilia Earhardt and her navigator Noonan.

So I looked into it and turns out she crashed in the same general area as the Lostaways in 1937.

Tesla was living and experimenting during this time. Actually is biography dwindles off in 1917.

The dates do mysteriously add up.

Here's another strange coincidence... Tesla was friends with Mark Twain... Sawyer... the caves...

You know....* SG had a thought on another thread about Adam and Eve being Emilia Earhardt and her navigator Noonan.

So I looked into it and turns out she crashed in the same general area as the Lostaways in 1937.

Tesla was living and experimenting during this time.* Actually is biography dwindles off in 1917.

The dates do mysteriously add up.*

Here's another strange coincidence...* Tesla was friends with Mark Twain...* Sawyer...* the caves...

And Mark Twain wrot a book called "Following the Equator" I ran acrossed it when I was looking for islands around the equator in the south Pacific.

I want to look at her plane now because someone suggested that Danielle's fort looked like part of a plane. OHHHHHH. off searching new thread.

You know....* SG had a thought on another thread about Adam and Eve being Emilia Earhardt and her navigator Noonan.

So I looked into it and turns out she crashed in the same general area as the Lostaways in 1937.

Tesla was living and experimenting during this time.* Actually is biography dwindles off in 1917.

The dates do mysteriously add up.*

Here's another strange coincidence...* Tesla was friends with Mark Twain...* Sawyer...* the caves...


Look what you made me go and do.
http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=7703.msg128939#msg128939

Good Job,
this heightens / changes my theory of turbines under water from wave action for electricity.
(thinking the cables bring it back for dispertion)
The coil though is much better. I absolutely think with Tela's knowledge it's shame corporate industry doesn't use his tech for electriciy. Always come down to money, doesn't it.???

And what if the monster is another robotic being?* We do hear mechanical sounds when it's around.*


So...if I've been reading/thinking correctly this is possbly a scientific (or at least quasi-scientific) explanaition for the theory that the "monster" is a manifestation of the lostaways' psychological states (fears, wishes, etc.).

Tesla technogology creates some kind of robotic thing that responds to human brainwaves?!?!? :shocking:

(must resist blowing entire Sunday on Tesla-related internet surfing!)

(must resist blowing entire Sunday on Tesla-related internet surfing!)

Ah, jordles, my friend - why resist? It will get you in the end. You know it will. :laugh: :lol2: rofl

The purposes of Tesla's work with the Navy were numerous
The main purpose was to acheive invisibility, wether optical or radar
Other purposes included man/machine interfaces. For example, givig the ability to a jet pilot to control the plane with his mind

on some Philadelphia/Montauk experiment, people claim that one of the last tests ended up with the generation of a monster coming from the subconscious of the personnel during the experiment
The same reports include UFOs,aliens, alien technology, time travel etc
Although i'm a believer in all of those things, i think it is important to bear in mind that those reports were filed on the internet by conspiracy theorists, and should be treated as such

Tarf,

I agree. As I have been developing my theories I've come to think that this could be a combination of many experiments based in science but yet not completely accepted by the entire scientific community. I have read a lot of articles and other information and really don't want to go down the UFO alien road. Even though Tesla himself came to believe in Aliens. There have been experiments that have some documentation as far as the interface between man and machine. There is some documentation on the success of manipulation of the mind. Tesla's turbines and coils have been implemented. Some type of genetic engineering consistent with todays applications are feasible. I think if we stick with what is known and take some logical advancement without taking quantum leaps it could very well explain what is going on.

I put this on the other thread about scientific info, too, but here's a photo I'd like you to look at more carefully

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=237&pos=26

Look at that right eye (the one with the scar). Doesn't it look like a miniature one of those spy-camera lenses you see in department stores, etc. to catch shoplifters? What if Locke has some interesting machinery implanted in his eye socket?

Reactions?

this eye is quite the same as the eyes of the aliens in the series "Taken"
also the same as the eyes of Brother Justin in "Carnivale" when he is overcome by the devil (or whatever)

Since I don't know anything about those 2 sources you quote, could you please post a synopsis? I want to develop this eye + implant theory more. That darn scar has bothered me since the Pilot1 episode! I know there has to be some significance to it. Thanks.

Luv, I've been watching locke's eyes ever since RBA. They are almost always lit so one is light and one is dark. Like the camera idea.

I do think that Locke's scar is healing. We are at just a month. I know from persona experience it takes a while for a cut on your face to heal.

I'm thinking the interesting machinery implant in Locke's eye socket / head is a receiver, not a camera. It enables Locke to hear the subliminal messages that the other Lostaways can't hear/understand, but only perceive as the "whispers". Someone else posted about not healing. It wasn't me. I'm sure he would heal the same as any other sugical incision.

<as the thread begins to career off topic Jordles pushes it a little further along on its tangent>

LuvMySayid, I'm sure you noticed that Locke's other eye, the left, was all "whited out" during Claire's dream. Don't you take this to be a representation of the white/black, good/evil theme running through the show (inluding the backgammon, rocks found with Adam and Eve, etc.)?

And the cut under his right eye seems to have happened during the crash, since we see it bleeding during the pilot.

Besides, it's a pretty long, gash-like cut. If I were a mad alien scientist planning to surgically replace someone's eyeball I'd try to do a neater job. :lol2:

But I love your ideas -- it's so much fun to consider all of this stuff! :)

I had posted this elsewhere figured it was 'the evil eye' or the element
L 'OS' T on the ABC site
Did anyone else notice that the 'OS' seems to linger after all the pictures show than appears normal.

At first I thought maybe operating system then checked AOL dictionary

Main Entry: [2]os
Pronunciation: 'Os
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ora /'Or-&, 'or-&/
Etymology: Latin or-, os —more at ORAL
Date: 1737
: MOUTH, ORIFICE

Main Entry: [1]os
Pronunciation: 'äs
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural os·sa /'ä-s&/
Etymology: Latin oss-, os —more at OSSEOUS
Date: 15th century
: BONE
Main Entry: OS
Function: abbreviation
[Latin oculus sinister] left eye; old series, old style, ordinary seaman, out of stock
Main Entry: Os
Function: abbreviation
osmium Main Entry: os·mi·um
Pronunciation: 'äz-mE-&m
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek osmE odor
Date: 1804
: a hard brittle blue-gray or blue-black polyvalent metallic element of the platinum group with a high melting point that is the heaviest metal known and is used especially as a catalyst and in hard alloys; see ELEMENT tabl

Any thoughts?

I had posted this elsewhere figured it was 'the evil eye' or the element
L 'OS' T on the ABC site
Did anyone else notice that the 'OS' seems to linger after all the pictures show than appears normal.

At first I thought maybe operating system then checked* AOL dictionary

Main Entry: [2]os
Pronunciation: 'Os
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):* plural ora /'Or-&, 'or-&/
Etymology: Latin or-, os —more at ORAL
Date: 1737
: MOUTH, ORIFICE

Main Entry: [1]os
Pronunciation: 'äs
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):* plural os·sa /'ä-s&/
Etymology: Latin oss-, os —more at OSSEOUS
Date: 15th century
: BONE
Main Entry: OS
Function: abbreviation
[Latin oculus sinister] left eye; old series, old style, ordinary seaman, out of stock
Main Entry: Os
Function: abbreviation
osmium Main Entry: os·mi·um
Pronunciation: 'äz-mE-&m
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek osmE odor
Date: 1804
: a hard brittle blue-gray or blue-black polyvalent metallic element of the platinum group with a high melting point that is the heaviest metal known and is used especially as a catalyst and in hard alloys; see ELEMENT tabl

Any thoughts?


Coupons,
I remember reading this and it looks like you've found a place to fit it.

Didn't Locke say he was good at putting bits and pieces together.
That's what we're all trying to do. Move that piece into this puzzle.

SO could also mean south
Could your dome affect the climate within and surrounding water of the island.

If I remember my research on Tesla correctly, there was some mention of using one of his theories to manipulate weather. It struck me tonight when Locke correctly predicted when the rain would start. If the Others/Island have the ability to transmit to the minds of our Lostaways through Microwave,RF,ELF technology and manipulate the weather, then they could let Locke know it was going to rain.

Is this the thread that discussed why Locke could 'feel something' in the air while he neared the Hatch? If not could someone point me to it? Thanks...

Yes, Tesla experimented with causing lightening and earthquakes. I'll go find the link again, or you could just go back to the beginning of this thread and chase down what you want to read about.
I feel that weather manipulation is also part of the others' experiments on Lost island and that Locke gets signals when they are going to make it rain.

After watching the episode again last night, I am more convinced than ever than the Other's are reading the minds of the Lostaways. I will list my observations as to why:

Jack's flashback's are tied into what is happening on the Island. Jack is feeling guilty because he didn't believe Claire, he feels her being kidnapped is his fault(she is pregnant and the woman who dies on the operating table is pregnant). Ethan represents Jack's father, that is why Jack says he is not going to let him get away with it again. The fight with Ethan is a projection transmitted by the others. The scream is only heard by Jack because it was only meant for Jack and was a transmission to his mind. Locke's so called feeling aren't feelings at all, they are transmissions to Locke from the Other's That is why he knows what is going on not only with everyone else in camp but with the weather and the Island itself. I think it is telling that Locke states that he never sensed anything during his time with Ethan. Ethan knew of the Other's and their ability to read minds. He has the ability to block his thoughts so that they can't be read. Jack saves Charlie's life to make up for the life he didn't save in surgery. When Charlie gets back to camp, he looks hypnotized they way he answers is very deliberate and the words are not natural. His memory has been erased and those words have replaced it. The only thing that comes through is his memory that "THEY" wanted Claire.

When we hear the Whispers surrounding first Sayid and then Sawyer, they are unintelligible for the most part. I believe while the Other's are probing the mind they are hearing all the thoughts and that is why we hear gibberish until they find the strongest thought, like they did with Sawyer, "It'll come back around" which they projected back.

Many of Tesla's scientific works are being advanced through experiments happening on this Island. I would say since the 1940's after Tesla stopped helping the US Military. After Tesla died all his notebooks and paper's on his theories disappeared. I think they are on this Island.

I have heard a theory that the hatch is just a portal that leads to a whole underground maze of The Others' labs/habitat. What say you all?

I've heard that the hatch isn't connected to an underground warren, and that there is an underground cave/bunker system on the island, but our hatch compartment just isn't part of it. It also said the only thing they will find in there is a computer. But that the data that the computer is keeping will care the daylights out of anyone.

OOOhhhhh. Goody. Luv it.

I believe that the Other's do stay underground. *Because of the negative effects of RF/ELF/Mircowave. *I also believe there is a computer being used and that the information will be scary.

Okay, I have another piece of the puzzle idea.* I read an article (will get it for you if you want) that said basically - the human body is just a perfect conductor.* The example they gave was when you shuffle your feet on some kinds of rugs and then touch metal & get a shock.* So we know that conduction is enhanced when things are wet (never touch anything electrical if wet).* And regarding All The Best Cowboys...., Charlie was dead in the tree, Kate cut him down, Jack laid him on his back in that puddle (see your screen caps) and starts resuscitating him.* Now Jack gets some credit for his efforts, yes, but if we can postulate that the whole dang island is just a power source (natural nuclear reactor); and Charlie was good and wet, wouldn't he get something like the shocks doctors deliver from the "crash cart" when they get a code blue in the hospital?* The ISLAND would essentially have resurrected Charlie with a power charge.* *:o* Eh?*

Oooo, oooh!* And when Locke and Boone got rained on in this epi, Locke asks Boone, "Can't you feel it?"

Hmmmm, Veeeeeery Interesting. *Said in my best Arte Johnson impersonation*.

Oh, interesting, Luv. So, the island acted like one large defibrillator?

I'm saying it COULD have done so. *

Back to Locke, I think that early on in the series he really didn't understand that his body was a tranceiver. *He probably knew something interesting was happening to him and kinda thought it wasn't happening to other Lostaways, but until the most recent episodes, he hadn't figured out how to work with it. *By "Numbers", I think he is beginning to understand. *He knows he can be the Lostaways' leader because he has the extra help he gets. *I wonder if he knows where that help comes from, though and what is really going on? *

Signs, Signs, every where theres signs. *****up the scenery.... :punk:

Sorry... saw the name TESLA and couldn't help it.....

Sorry, spacewrangler, I don't get it. How does your post relate to this theory? ???

Back in the late 80's there was a band called Tesla who had a song called signs... that was a line from the song.* Sorry again, watching another re-run Wed night has got me loopie.

Oh, okay. * :laugh: *Thought I had lost the thread of the conversation there for a minute. *

I refuse to get loopy. *Rather, I have taken up the challenge of solving as many of their dang mysteries as possible during the enforced hiatus. *THAT's the way to make 'em keep those new episodes coming. *(At least I think so.) *I plan to post often and enlist everyone in my devious plan. *Get on board, buddy. *Post some solution theories! * :lol2: :lol2:

I like the idea of the island acting like a defibrillator.....
And I do, too, Bess. That is what I was saying, but couldn't access the word "defibrillator" in my distracted (at work) brain. :D

Oh, good find. I got this one to work

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs226/en/

Back to reading it.

I'm saying it COULD have done so. *

Back to Locke, I think that early on in the series he really didn't understand that his body was a transceiver. *He probably knew something interesting was happening to him and kinda thought it wasn't happening to other Lostaways, but until the most recent episodes, he hadn't figured out how to work with it. *By "Numbers", I think he is beginning to understand. *He knows he can be the Lostaways' leader because he has the extra help he gets. *I wonder if he knows where that help comes from, though and what is really going on? *


I don't think he knows who exactly is giving him the help. *I think he just enamored with the abilities that have been bestowed upon him. *He is everything he has always wanted to be. *However, he has stated that the Island wants something in return I don't remember his exact words, so he may have an inkling. *

What if the Other's are sterile from exposure to the experiments and that is why they need Claire's baby? *And that is the price the Island is exacting, along with never leaving, for what it is giving.

But, Bess, there are other interesting snippets, too. For example:

"RF levels away from the main beam fall off rapidly"
and this one on Page 2 of that fact sheet:
"Speed control radars .... are not considered hazardous to health, even when used in very close proximity to the body."

Under "Possible health effects":
Behavioral changes are mentioned. And as the RF fields increased, reduced endurance, aversion of the field, and decreased ability to perform mental tasks.

And most interesting to me, RF shocks and burns:
"... may result from charges induced on metallic objects situated near radars. Persons standing in RF fields can also have high absorption of the fields in areas of their bodies with small cross sectional areas, such as the ankles. "
Y'all, Locke had BURNED / SCORCHED AREAS ON HIS ANKLES at the crash scene. I posted about it before and there's a screen cap on Lost-media that shows it clearly.

So it seems at some point before Locke "woke up" he was exposed to RF.

I agree LUV.* I also feel we need to remember that this testing is not based on high dosage levels of RF/EMF/ELF.* I have read in other areas of the possible effects, including memory loss.* I think that somewhere whether on the Island proper or one of the surrounding Islands we will see Tesla Coils being used.

Though this information can not be catagorized with what you have found from WHO, here is a link that gives some other possible side effects from exposure.


http://www.whale.to/b/keeler.html

Since we have been discussing Tesla and Tesla coils below is a link that explains how they work.

http://old-mage.com/tech/Tesla.htm

Logging off this computer now & going home from work. Check ya later. Had fun! Keep on theorizing! :)

Luv

Ummm... Outside Tesla Coils....


What other things can be used to generate EM/RF/ELF...* etc?


This interesting...

SMD99-F 5025 (the number on Kate's toy plane's wing) is an electronic componant used to build data delay devices. Available for commercial or military use (in cas of military it is called SMD99-F 5025MC2). It is used to generate pulses in an electronical circuit could be used to tamper with a radio transmitter, or a planes instruments.

tarf came up with this on another thread.... but it plays nice here.

Some interesting stuff

Deals with mind control, EMF and microwaves

Luv has speculated on some implants, but to fully understand the meaning of that, we need to go further than the Lost show itself just to get a larger picture and then fish out the implications in Lost and the level of those implications

So back to the global conspiracy theory ( Be aware that what i mention here is purely conditionnal. If i say "it is" it means "is allegedly is" or "it supposedly is". I am not here to support or disprove anything)

The Montauk project dealt with mind control, abduction of people through wormholes on earth, time travel, and alien technology
Mind control could be widespread (on a global scale) or targeted (on a person to person basis)
Former Montauk project personnel told in interviews that test had been made, in 1992, causing the Los Angeles riots, to measure how a mass panick could be controlled, and how mind control could be performed, since fear enables an easier mind control/programming
in fact sept 11 and all that went after that may have the same goal, as to put people in a state of everlasting fear, preparing them for mind control/programming
'nuff said 'bout that

So when you talk about mind control you may want to control an entire population OR a single individual
If you want to control a single individual you have to be able to pinpoint his location, and make sure that only this person can pick up the "control" to avoid "collateral damage" so to speak

In our real world, everything is ready for such things. We all have equipment that both can permit to pinpoint our location, and to transmit microwaves back and forth
these devices are called "mobile phones"

widening on that theory, we need to talk about recent discoveries and inventions (some of which already mentionned on this forum) such as the use of the body's electric current that naturally flows through us
if you look at a mobile phone, the space used by the phone is mainly keyboard, display and battery
take that away and the actual circuitery is marginal in size as compared to the overall size of the device
So let's say that the circuitery of a mobile phone could be used to act as an interface for mind control device, you could easily make it fit into an yey implant like Luv speculated
But as far as nanotechnology goes, it could be much smaller than that
In fact nanomachines injected in the body could actually build such an implant without the need for surgery
(The Star Trek Borg's nanomachines are not so much of a science fiction, they are not-so-far-away-science)

The antennas for mobile phones are everywhere (they used to stand 12 or 15 feet tall on top of buildings, now they are merely 1 foot tall if not smaller)
They generate intense fields, and we are actually bathing in them all the time.
If you think of the conspiracy theory, you may think that this is actually an extension of the Montauk project for mind control, since we are now almost at any second inside a EM/Microwave field

I'll submit that to other former teachers here, but the side effects of being exposed to EM or Microwave induced EM fields have effects on the brain, the behaviour etc. As a former teacher i must remark that the litteracy of younger people (such as the spelling ability) has dramatically decreased for the last 10 to 15 years (the start of widespread mobile communication and the exposure to computer radiations)


so back to Lost.
they seemed to be controlled on a person to person basis
Jack saw his dead father, Kate was led to find the Halliburton, some heard whispers, and Locke seems to be in tune with the island, not mentionning Walt and his bird killing ability :D

Batteries run dry very quickly on the island, we've seen that with the tranceiver. I don't think that the crew (maintainance crew) was negligent enough to let a plane fly over the pacific without a fully charged tranceiver battery
Hurley and Danielle still having power (Hurley's cd player) is still a puzzle to me
It all seems like a powerful magnetic or microwave field is draining the batteries very fast
(I also wondered why the pilot failed to check if any equipment still worked in the cockpit, although we may argue about the relevancy of such a check under those circumstances)

kgmaus was asking
What other things can be used to generate EM/RF/ELF... etc?

well pretty much anything in fact
Anything that has a electricity flowing through it could generate EMF or RF
On a general note, eveything generates electricity, without going into quantum physics, just imagine that in each atoms the electrons spin around the nucleus, they produce energy and a magnetic field.
I won't be too specific about that, but it is just what maintains the atom together and prevents it from collapsing or falling apart. This energy is used in Atom bomb reactions, when you break an atom apart it gives out tremendous amounts of energy, and EM & RF radiations, meaning that those energies are already contained, in one form or the other inside each atom

So prettu much anything could produce those EM or RF emissions

There is also a "crowd" effect. i don't know how to phrase that, but "the whole is larger than the sum of its individual components"

The radio tower on the island may not only be a radio transmission device. It may be a "delta T" antenna (antennas allegedely used in Montauk project to open wormholes and vortices - the term wormholes being used for tunnels opened form earth and to earth, the term vortex (vortices) being used for tunnels opened from earth to other points of space/time)
In the Montauk project they used hundreds and thousands of people to act as a psychic generator

In fact in the light of the research i have made on the Philadelphia and Montauk projects, the survivors may very well be the source of the EM fields, and the antenna would feed on their energies
Maybe after Danielle killed almost everybody on the island, they needed fresh energy to continue the work
The monster may be "Junior" like the "Junior" allegedly created by Duncan Cameron on August 12th 1983

That may also provide answers about the sneakers issue, it the antenna or whatever device is used to collect their mental or other energy, they may need to be insulated from the ground so their energy may be captured "from above" and not dispersed into the ground (think of ground like in "electrical ground => the point of 0 potential)

for those of you who are interested in that stuff, please go to Al Bieleck's website
http://www.bielek.com/

the content of this site is somewhat similar to the CD ROM i recentely bought (contains pictures and interviews of people in both philadeplphia and Montauk project, some of them mentionning Tesla quite a few times)
Alternately if you can't find the CD ROM or do not wish to pay the $20 it costs, you may be able to find it on peer2peer networks (although i cannot condone that way of getting copyrighted material)

Could the Black Rock be... or act as.... an amplifier??

Amplifying the EM that each of the survivors produce naturally??



Could it be possible? .... now I'm saying could... putting our pseudoscience to work here...



Let's say it's discovered that seemingly random events aren't random at all. Like the roll of a die, for example. When I roll I die... there's an outcome I'd like to see happen. No matter how hard I concentrate on the outcome I want... the odds are still against me.
Now let's say that while I'm concentrating on the number I want... my mind is emitting EM waves. My mind alone isn't enough to influence the outcome of the die roll. I learn this everytime I'm in Vegas.
Let's say the Black Rock amplifies those EM waves that I generate with my mind... hence altering the outcome to match my desired effect.


Let's put this to use in the show....

Locke is startled by a boar and knocked down... for a moment, it seems he's unable to walk again. After Locke regains his composure and concentrates on walking again... The EM from his thoughts is amplified and ... poof... reality is, he can walk again.

I don't think I have to go into the way Walt manipulates the dice. And his sudden expert ability to throw a bowie knife at a tree. Visualizing the strike. He consentrates on it... sees it happen.... and the Black Rock... influences the outcome in favour of Walt.

If Locke concentrates on Ethan's trail he can pick it back up. Hence his cryptic response to Jack's query... Can you pick up his (Ethan's) trail again.

some thoughts about your post kgmaus

luck does not exist in a Maths world

take a dice, and roll it once. You have one chance out of 6 to get the desired number
roll the dice 6 times, there is a very high chance that you get you number at least once, although it is not certain
This goes with the large numbers theory
This theory (or rather theorem) is used by people who scientifically gamble or play the lottery

this theory states that given a combination of numbers (49 for the lottery) the more draws there are, the more likely that the number occurences tend to be equal between them
meaning that if you look at the lottery numbers that have already been drawn over the last thousand of drawings, the numbers that have rarely come out are more likely to come out at the next drawing than those that have already come out several times

One a computer note, there is no such thing as a true random number
let's say that you program a computer to "roll a dice" 6.000 times (generating a random number between 1 & 6)
over the 6.000 draws you will see that the numbers of time the "1" was picked is about the same number of times that any other number was picked
if you roll that dice 6.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000. 000 of times you will notice that each one of the numbers has been picked up pretty much the same number times
the more you will roll that dice, the more the ratio of one number occurence over each other one will tend to 1:1

It all goes down to a balance or equilibrium. Luck or randomness is a temporary state, and can only be observed in a very small period of time. As time goes by things tend to reach that equilibrium, and what had once been perceived as "luck" in the short term would be perceived as "normal course of events" if you look at the long run

also on Walt's luck at backgammon, i am inclined to think that Walt cheated one way or the other, and that Hurley let him (like we sometimes would let children cheat so they win a game - what wouldn't we do to see our kids happy :D )

Then the big question of the knife throwing, and the possibility that something influenced Walt and the knife would hit the target dead center
We need to look at Martial Arts, and some other disciplines such as traditional archery
In those disciplines, the main point is to focus on the target. In archery you need to visualise the target, and somehow you have to manage to "become the arrow"
Aiming is something that we do naturally
for example, when you take a glass of water, and put it on the table, you subconscially aim for the spot where you will lay the glass
it is a eye/limb coordination issue
When you drive a car, you will apply a pressure on the brake pedal that is not always constant. The coordination between your eye and your foot will enable you to apply different pressure, and to apply to correct "dosage" on the pedal. In a sense it is also "aiming"

The main point here is "focus", we are all able to throw a knife or a dart at the "bullseye". Some are more proficient at that than other, but with focus you can enhance your natural ability.

To make that point really clear, i will make an analogy that many of us will understand :

Maybe the EM field acts as "overclocking" on their brains, just like you would overclock your computer
It enables to process things more rapidly, and in the case of human brain, it enables them to focus more on things

In martial Arts, proper focus and training enables you to do almost anything you want
We already have most of the abilities that are considered as "special" or "extraordinary", we only have blocks that restrain us from unleashing our potential.
This potential is well demonstrated by disabled people. The blind will develop a greater sense of hearing and of the touch. But if you look at it from a different angle, they are only able to develop the other senses, first of course because they need it, but also because they are no longer limited by their missing sense. They (we) already have that potential, but we are prevented from attaigning it
If we were subject to radiations, this might help us focus and reach a next level of that potential
maybe that's what happens on the island

Okay, if it works correctly, here is the link to N.E.R.D.

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?board=30.0

Any sincere technophile is welcome to join and post with us.* Come on aboard!

Bess, I have a half-baked holographic projection theory, but am not ready to post it yet.* Look for my post on that later.*

Meanwhile, here is a link to start discussion about what is possible "here and now"*with current holographic projection*technology (vs. what the scientists on Lost Island may have been able to accomplish).*

http://www.laser-magic.com/holographicprojection.html

Does that mean that the museum in Chicago is now closed?

Good links! Thanks. *I envy you being close enough to go to Cambridge and see the holography museum. *

So frustrated ... there's people out there who think the monster is some funky mechancal thing that grabs and eats people!! *Mind stuff is "too easy" they say...hummpf

Better go on over and join up at the N.E.R.D. ship, girl. *We can post there in peace. *
(I swear, one of these days we are going to find a post right in the middle of one of our science threads that says, "I hope Sayid gives Shannon a purse to go with those cute shoes!" *Grrrrr. * ::)

As Jerry Seinfeld says, "not that there's anything wrong with that!" * :laugh:

have you ever seen a laser show ?

Laser shows are pretty much like TV

in TV sets, an electron beam will scan the screen, 60 times per second in the US (50 times in Europe) => 30 frames per second in NTSC / 25 frames per second in PAL
(side not some tv sets actually double that scanning rate)

Lasers are pretty much the same, it is a beam of concentrated light (laser stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation)
When you see a laser show it is actually one or several laser beams that scan across the area to make patterns and visually recognizable images
unlike the tv, lasers do not scan the "screen" in succession of horyzontal lines
lasers are pretty much free to move around

behind those lasers are computers. Those computers will plot each point of the image and direct the laser beam to that point
the movements are very fast, but our retina persistence will do the trick (like at the movies where you actually spend half of the movie in the dark (if anyone is not familiar with that, let me know so i can explain what is retina persistence)

So images are processed by a computer, meaning that they are interpreted as electric currents
Each image can be seen as a succession of frequencies and coordinates

The human brain emits EM waves and electricity. Actually if you could tap into the brain (into the vision center of the brain) of someone you could use his brain to drive a laser beam and actually project the picture of what he sees
We could imagine that you also could see the person's dreams (the brain is nothing else than an ultra sophisticated, ultra powerful, ultra fast computer)

Of course this is science fiction at the moment

But what would happen if you managed to tap into the person's subconscious mind ? *All the fears and inner demons that we have in our childhood nightmares could come to life

But is it really science fiction
A few years ago some scientists began working on means to enable the blind to see (or rather to interpret images)
A scanner, pretty much like a digital camera send the image to a computer, which translates the image via electric pulses to the brain of the blind
in fact the computer is a substitution for the optic nerve, and the camera a substitution for the eye

because what we see is not an image. We interpret radiations (photons) called "light" and its reflexion/refraction on things that "filter" the radiations and will enable us to have a sense of sjape and color
but we do not see an image per se, what we see is the interpretation of electricity
If tou are able to provide a blind person's brain with the same electric impulses that we non bilnd people receive in our vision center, then the blind person will see pretty much like we do (this would not work for people whose vision center are altered, but it would work for people who have lost their eyes or have a severed optical nerve)

The projection of images coming from the brain is just the opposite and complementary issue, and it will probably become possible during the first half of this century


Now let's say that you can not only project a flat beam of light, such as a laser, but an holographic 3D image with a consistency (EM force fields)

It all depends on the data that the computer (or brain) provides, and the interfaces used to project the data

They have that kind of stuff in Star Trek and it's called a Holodeck
The definition of such devices is simple : "Energy particles held together by force fields"

And that's is not that much of a science fiction, we already have made the first steps towards the Holodeck
VR was the software, now there is the hardware that needs to be built

So yes, indeed, a large magnetic field being able to hold together matter/energy could produce holograms, but not only "pass through" holograms (like ghosts so to speak) but real hard touchable holograms

That does not exist yet on this planet (not that we know of) but there is a big chance that our children or our grandchildren will be able to experience with that during their lifetime

That does not exist yet on this planet (not that we know of) but there is a big chance that our children or our grandchildren will be able to experience with that during their lifetime

But the writers of Lost are under no such limitations! ;)

I'm working on a good post re holographic projections. Look for it soon.

Wow, you guys are really tying all this together.* Impressive... 8)* Check this out:*
(excerpt)
II. Typical Symptoms of electronic harassment victims:

Since directed energy beams may be used like fiber optic cables to direct media, radiation, and electromagnetic energy at a human object, then the victims may experience hearing sounds, seeing images, & feeling heat stress. Since certain parts of the body can not reduce heat stress well, such as the eyes and the genitals, victims of an electromagnetic harassment often feel heat stress in the eyes which cause vision problems. Lasers may direct synthetic telepathic images, holographic images, and virtual reality simulations at a human object which can be used to control dreams, thoughts, and emotions. Also, subliminal messages may be directed at a human object by lasers. Directed energy beams can be used to direct radiation at certain frequencies and energies at a victim to control basic instincts and biological functions. Directed energy beams can cause seizures, muscle spasms, controlled muscle movements, sleep deprivation, radiation burns, & laser cuts. Sometimes the victims of electromagnetic harassment are targeted by international organizations to control their spiritual, psychic, & interdimensional abilities such as dreaming and energy manipulation.

Here's the link if case you haven't seen this one:
http://www.whale.to/b/emf.html

your dead on target there

Also what is not mentionned, is that any type of radiation will cause sort of an addiction, if you have been exposed long enough

(When i mention radiations in this post, it comes in all sort, light, sound, EMF, RF, MicroWave, etc, everything that involves energy or electric waves)

The most commonly known type of radiation addiction is the Light (which is a radiation)
People who are used to live under sunny conditions (lots of light) will feel depressed when they move to a less sunny location
And it's a known fact that people are more depressed in winter that they are in the summer
There are even therapies based on light to fight some depressive states

RF radiations can also cause an addiction
People who live in large cities like New York or Paris (for the two cities i live the most in) sometimes find it hard to stay in more calm areas such as the countryside (Although it is not true for everyone, some actually do appreciate a remote and secluded area to get some rest)
I come from a provincial town in France, and when i go to work in Paris, the people look really crazy (i don"t even mention how people are in New York, they seem like hyperactive kids high on sugar :D )
The main reason is the high quantity of EM and RF waves that flow through those big cities
the article you just quoted mentions sleep deprivation, well i'm an insomniac, i could tell you about sleep deprivation :) but you find that notion in the line "The city that never sleeps"

So back to Lost
Some people have adressed the issue as to why the survivors never took the necessary steps to actually do the "right things", such as mapping the place, etc
Maybe they are just high on those radiations
They all are on edge, very nervous, they hear whispers, see things, have erratic behaviours, loss of memory, etc
The only one would seems to cope fairly with this is Locke, and he might have been hooked to an electric stimulation device for the last 4 years on regular basis
I have talked of an addiction earlier on, it's like a drug. People who are used to the drugs have a higher tolerancy than those who where less or not exposed to that type of drugs

Some other people on the show seemed to be less affected than others

The first person to be affected by hallucinations (you may call it subliminal EM or laser induced suggestion) was Jack
Jack is a neurosurgeon. He deals with radiation emitting devices, you have to note that in Hospitals, the use of EM/RF/MW generating devices is forbidden, as it may interfere with medical equipments. Mobile phones are banned for example
He has a high level of exposure
His hallucination was a corporial body, a full image of his father, on numerous occasions.

So maybe there is a threshold or three states
1st : Very little exposure to EM/RF etc => first degree hallucinations (whispers)
2nd : Average exposure => Tolerance up to a certain level
3rd : High Exposure => Ability to process the full content of the hallucination (Vision of people or "monsters") but very high tolerance or ability to understand what is happening

Jack would have been highly exposed due to medical equipment, and he was the first one to be able to process the full extent of the mind suggestion

then Locke saw the "monster" or looked through the eye of the island. He was also pretty much exposed to the radiations during his dealing with his "condition", and maybe he has spent quite some time in a hospital, or whatever. Or maybe he is shielded

then Sayid heard the voices. He was in the military, and it was stated that he was in the transmissions (i think that the point is important, because there was kind of an emphasis on the fact that Sayid was in Intelligence, then in Transmissions, then reinstated into the Intelligence) Sayid may know of radiation induced hallucinations. That's why he may not have openly talked about it, he was scared alright, but who wouldn't, even with the "knowledge"
And when Sawyer came to him to talk about the whispers, i was pretty much convinced that Sayid was ready to talk about that, maybe discarding the whispers as Jack had discarded Claire's dream

then Kate had a mild experience, she found the Halliburton under the cascade, it looked like she heard something (maybe it was just only the cascade) Kate had spent the last months in a remote farm in Australia, where obviously there wasn't that much radiation around

Then Sawyer heard the whispers. I bet he was quite of a party guy and that could hint for high exposure to many kind of radiation

Boone seems more and more depressed if you think about it, or rather he seems to become very dull, and good for nothing, maybe another radiation effect

The bottomline is that they are more and more exposed to the radiations on the island, and the way they react to the radiations depend on their backgrounds and their life before the crash, hence it depends on their level of exposure before they boarded the plane (hence the flashbacks, not only to show the ties between the characters but also to give a background justifying that they do not feel the effects of the island at the same time)

Danielle said that her crew did not feel the effects at once, it was several weeks.
The disease might not have come from a virus, but from radiation poisoning, or radiation "overdose" or harassment
The survivors are only showing the first signs and things might get very hectic in season 2

I know this theory has holes in it, i'm aware of that, but there might be something to it

Tarf,

It seems as if you and I are comming to the same conclusions. I am thinking that the Montuak Experiment was being continued and refined on the Island. I have also read that sterility can be a side affect of exposure. If the Other's are sterile and need a fresh mind (Tabula Rosa) to further their experiments that could be why they are so interested in Claire's Baby. I think the first fight between Jack and Ethan and the scene when Ethan threatened Charlie were mental projections. I have come to believe that in order for this manipulations to occur(visions, whispers) it can happen to one person at a time and only when they are isolated from other conscious Lostaways. Could the Whispers be the product of the mind being scanned? Gibberish until a single thought can be locked onto and then the thought transmitted back.

Tarf,

It seems as if you and I are comming to the same conclusions.* I am thinking that the Montuak Experiment was being continued and refined on the Island.* I have also read that sterility can be a side affect of exposure.* If the Other's are sterile and need a fresh mind (Tabula Rosa) to further their experiments that could be why they are so interested in Claire's Baby.* I think the first fight between Jack and Ethan and the scene when Ethan threatened Charlie were mental projections.* I have come to believe that in order for this manipulations to occur(visions, whispers) it can happen to one person at a time and only when they are isolated from other conscious Lostaways.* Could the Whispers be the product of the mind being scanned?* Gibberish until a single thought can be locked onto and then the thought transmitted back.


Alas I come bearing bad news. I am only a lurker on this thread because most of this is new to me..

But Javi said that the fight between Jack and Ethan really happened.

However this does not affect the rest of the theories.

*LBL slowly recovering from a devasting body blow throw by Javi. Takes in deep breath.*

Yes Javi said the fight really happened and it does knock that particular part of the theory out. That said, the mind control theory is still alive and kicking. I'll need a little while to get my bearings but as the govenor of California has stated on many occassions "I'll Be BAACK."

That would work really well, I think, if you somehow had a "group" mental thing going on. Maby in a group setting, the strongest thoughts infleuence the weeker ones?

That would work really well, I think, if you somehow had a "group" mental thing going on.* Maby in a group setting, the strongest thoughts infleuence the weeker ones?


There is already a group mental thing going on
right after the crash Jack acted as a leader. This is what happens in every goup of people, there will be a leader, there will be followers, challengers, etc
and the roles will distribute themselves quite naturally, as if everyone had it's place in the group, just as easily you will align connect four chips, because the pieces fit the holes that have been designed to accomodate them
Take also this into account, that you sometimes have feelings about people, even if you don't know them : this one scares me, this one looks funny, this one seems friendly

in a sense that it the common consciousness - the minds - of people that will interact to design the holes that will accomodate the piecrd. Each pieces will have its own place (sometimes people feel or look out of place -> there is no hole for them, or someone is challenging and will occupy his "hole")
When a group of people forms, at first it is the common mind of this group of people that will determne their role and their place, just like all the minds of people would communicate with each other and cut the deal

If some mind control device could enhance this subconscious communication between the survivors, that would be interesting. It could go towards telepathy or empathy

Also think of the EM field we all generate
All those fields are electromagnetic fields that will interact with one another
A stronger field would penetrate a weaker field or alter it
a "stronger mind" could then control the weaker mind

o my goshhhhh lol, i just had a sick idea

The episodes seems to start with one eye opening, but sometimes it is not the centric character's eye that opens

I know that's real sick and far fetched and all
but if that was not the centric character of the episode that had the flashback, but the character whose eye we see in the beginning

Meaning that another suvivor experiences a part of the centric character's life and memories through a sort of EMF induced telepathic field

yup pretty much so
i mean it's like the ultimate Truman show or the ultimate reality tv
not only do you see the person on the screen, but for several minutes you ARE the person on ne screen
i don't imply that it is a survivor type of show, but that for the character it is like they are watching the people in their mind pretty much like we are watching a reality tv show

as in your example, if the flashback is about Sayid, maybe Sayid relives the moment, but Jack also sees that moment, through a mind projection. it is like Jack is watching a tape of Sayid's life
And what they share is some of their deepest darfest secrets

There are interactioons between the survivors prior to the crash, like as many pieces in a puzzle
Remember what Locke said "I'm good at putting bit and pieces together", meaning that Locke may act as a psychic catalyst in this telepathy field
He is helping putting the bits and pieces of memory together, so the survivors share a common experience and understand the larger picture, and the purpose of their being on the island

A bit like the dreams they have in "The Stand" where they share a common dream experience, either with Mother Abigail or with Flagg

The EM field or whatever creates bridges between the minds of people at certain points, by merging their brainwave activity
Imagine what it would be like if you could share somebody else's dream. Two people making the same dream at the same moment and where both person have a part in this dream

RE the Wrinkle in Time:
Christopher Wallace and Meg!

The sharing of thoughts goes even deeper in the following books.

Can't remember in which book of the following two books it was, but this is really pertinent!
Meg has flashbacks (through her contact with her unhappy mother in law) to someone related to her husband's family. A child depending on how he is brought up can grow up to be either an evil tyrant set on destroying the world or a kind and gentle man! Sounds like "Raised by Another", no? Interestingly, Meg through her mind contact is also able to change the past and in the end, disaster is averted and the child had grown up to be on the light/good side!

Not sure if this was in the "Swiftly Tilting Planet" or the third book. I'm going to have to dig these books out! I read them in high school and I'm not sure that I still have them :(

AND ... she's pregnant while this is going on!

May have to start a thread on this one!

Getting back to Tesla and EM fields - could be that's why there are no birds.

The field is strong enough to keep birds away from the island - they slam into it and die - just like the bird into the window in Special. That scene wasn't about Walt so much as it was smacking us in the face with a clue about the island.

Getting back to Tesla and EM fields - could be that's why there are no birds.

The field is strong enough to keep birds away from the island - they slam into it and die - just like the bird into the window in Special.* That scene wasn't about Walt so much as it was smacking us in the face with a clue about the island.

Smidge, you are cordially invited to visit the N.E.R.D. discussion group on Group Ships. There you will be exposed to every sort of "science and pseudoscience" theory! If you like this thread, you'll love our group. See you there.

Luv

Thanks Luv!

I'm in the Tesla / Montauk Experiment camp.

I also think there is a strong Science vs. Magic thing going on (Walt and perhaps the Black Rock being the Magic parts).

One thing to note: Tesla's work with the mind plays in nicely with how Claire does not remember anything. I was watching "Cowboys" this weekend, I realized Charlie has the same amnesia, he can not recall what happened while Ethan had him.

There is definitely some sort of "from the mind and into reality" thing going on.

I also think:
Walt's powers are now amplified. by the island or the Black Rock
That Locke's ability to walk is caused by this, and he suspects it (at first I thought it could have been from the impact of the fall moving something around in his back)
polar bears
The wispers (I think they are from a back-fired experiment).

Getting back to Tesla and EM fields - could be that's why there are no birds.

The field is strong enough to keep birds away from the island - they slam into it and die - just like the bird into the window in Special.* That scene wasn't about Walt so much as it was smacking us in the face with a clue about the island.


Hi Smidge,

Why do you think there are no birds? The island "soundtrack" you usually hear in the background when anyone is away from the surf on the beach is filled with birdsounds.

I'm in the Tesla / Montauk Experiment camp.

I also think there is a strong Science vs. Magic thing going on (Walt and perhaps the Black Rock being the Magic parts).

One thing to note: Tesla's work with the mind plays in nicely with how Claire does not remember anything. I was watching "Cowboys" this weekend, I realized Charlie has the same amnesia, he can not recall what happened while Ethan had him.

There is definitely some sort of "from the mind and into reality" thing going on.

I also think:
Walt's powers are now amplified. by the island or the Black Rock
That Locke's ability to walk is caused by this, and he suspects it (at first I thought it could have been from the impact of the fall moving something around in his back)
polar bears
The wispers (I think they are from a back-fired experiment).

Hey, mitluf. Come on over and check out the N.E.R.D. group. Our theory is coming together nicely and fits with yours.

Hi Smidge,

Why do you think there are no birds?* The island "soundtrack" you usually hear in the background when anyone is away from the surf on the beach is filled with birdsounds.*


But we don't see them - and couldn't those sounds be made by something else? Like, I dunno, crickets or other animals? I just think it's reallyl odd that we see no birds flying around, especially gulls, that close to the ocean.

I just think it's reallyl odd that we see no birds flying around, especially gulls, that close to the ocean.


Hmmm, in terms of the plot of the show, maybe a force field is keeping out birds from the sea (like gulls), but there are still island-based birds living within the forcefield?

And we may not have seen any jof the island birds due to practical filming conditions -- birds aren't hanging around the set due to noise and other disturbance.

You gys about Birds....

you should check out this thread...

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=6752.0


I started this... well, a while ago. I think the date is on there. Good stuff in there.

But we don't see them - and couldn't those sounds be made by something else? Like, I dunno, crickets or other animals? I just think it's reallyl odd that we see no birds flying around, especially gulls, that close to the ocean.


This comment made me think of the beach and the darn pesky gulls that even with just the slightest hint of food are swarming all over like vultures! I hope their lunches aren't served on the beach set! They'll never get rid of them!! :laugh:

I dont know if this is the right place to post this, or even if its been discussed in this thread because I haven't read it....however, I was watching Flight of the Phoenix last night and a guy said compasses would be misdirected if there was magnetic rock in the mountains around them....and there are mountains on this island, filled with magnetic rock perhaps....I think the magnetism is part of this theory, but I don't know in what form..

Nikola Tesla Corner, 40th Street & 6th Avenue, Manhattan, New York City

Hey.... I use an entrance to the subway on that corner to get to and from work. I'll have to look for the dedication street sign.

This must be the most educational post I ever read.

HAPPY APPRECITATION DAY TO : LuvMySayid :biggringift: :party: :holiday: :jump:

Thanks, Care. Luv ya.

Please don't post anything about string theories. They make my head hurt. :lol2:

http://www.lost-norge.net/go/21

The Lost fans in Norway seem to have a few major theories. Time to translate any takers. It looks pretty cool.

http://www.lost-norge.net/go/21

The Lost fans in Norway seem to have a few major theories. Time to translate any takers. It looks pretty cool.


20 theories there, most of them have already been investigated and speculated upon on this board

very quick summary of these theories for those who do not wish to spend the time with an online translator
(some are pretty rough interpretations or translations of the theories. I tried to keep the main idea, correct me if i was wrong somewhere)

#1 Purgatory
#2 : A "monster": was created and it escaped (genetics)
#3 : Magical Island (makes wishes come true)
#4 : The island is a test facility for aliens studying humans (or vice versa)
#5 : The survivors live the last 5 seconds of their lives (as in the popular line : "i saw my whole life replay before my eyes)
#6 : EM field => magnetically attracts ships and planes => Locke's ability to walk (pretty much the theory on this thread)
#7 : Bermuda triangle => vile vertices
#8 : The island is alive and is sentient / Evil vs bad / Need for the survivors to kill each others (Battle Royale anyone ??)
#9 : Lost is somewhat like the movie "Sphere"
#10 : The hatch and facilities on the island were built with the remnants of Danielle's ship
#11 : Another EM theory, and the cable leads to the "experiment"
#12 : Marshall islands and French nuclear test site
#13 : Jurassik Park Theory
#14 : Hallucinations and thelepathy
#15 : Esperiments on the island
#16 : the black ROC theory
#17 : Disease (more mental than physical) Ethan was trying to save Claire's baby (the writer of that webpage aknowledges that this theory was found on the fuselage)
#18 : Fate, divine intervention, and Claire's baby possibly the antechrist (Good vs Evil battle)
#19 : Utopia : gathering of the only remaining persons on Earth
#20 : The Donnie Darko theory

This list is a great way to look at all the theories out there. We should put together our own list like that and try to tie some of them together.

Big endeavor there.... you gonna take that on Cin?? ;)

Thing is... there's so few that tie everything together.

I kinda see two parts to the story.

1. The Island and it's origin... what's going on there.
2. The Lostaways... how and why this group is there.


What other BIG plot lines are there? There has to be more.

:laugh: I've seriously thought about writing down an outline of theories, just to see which one would be a good fit for all the questions we have so far. But I'd like to wait until I see the full season and see if there's any more answers to some hanging questions, like the hatch. The season ender with the pre-flight scenes will be really interesting too.

That would make a good summer break project to keep busy until the new season!! :lol2:

As far as BIG plot lines, you could add the "Others", but that could also fall into #1. And another burning question I have is why all the religious undertones? Where does that come in?

I think the Others and how they got to the Island is a Big Plot Issue. But IMO what also makes this show so interesting is all the subplots that are going on. It would probably take a whole thread just to define all the subplots, maybe during the summer break.

LuvMySayid:
Absolutely brilliant insight!!! I believe you have discovered the main secret of Lost - JJ's love of anachronism and science, i.e. 'Leonardo' Rembaldi!

Now, all we have to do is figure out which of Tesla's myriad contraptions and/or theories will be applicable to this story and setting. But, for the first time we will have some definite parameters to work within... Good Job!

And Mark Twain wrot a book called "Following the Equator" I ran acrossed it when I was looking for islands around the equator in the south Pacific.


There is a Moral Sense, and there is an Immoral Sense. History shows us that the Moral Sense enables us to perceive morality and how to avoid it, and that the Immoral Sense enables us to perceive immorality and how to enjoy it. --Following the Equator

An acquaintence of mine is an expert on Mark Twain and has published Following the Equator online. Twain took quite a tour of* "Australasia":

http://www.boondocksnet.com/twaintexts/fe/index.html

Chapter V
-- The Southern Cross -- Troublesome Constellations * - It seems there's a thread about constellations being not right and some discussion about whether that's an editing error or deliberate.


I browsed around his site for a minute and found a link to a book store description of Time Travel in Einstein's Universe. The Publisher description states that the author makes quite a case for time travel and that time travel to the future has actually occurred. Gott uses theories from Einstein , Stephen Hawking and Kip Thorne

Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel Through Time
by J. Richard Gott

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=7-0618257357-1&partner_id=1790

Interestingly, in his early career, Tesla worked for Edison. At first, they were on a friendly basis, but soon became arch enemies. Heard once that Edison's computer sketch was actually Tesla's work and that the difference between the two was that Edison was an astute businessman, where Tesla was not. Also, if someone has already mentioned this, I apologize for stating it again, but there was some talk at one time that the weird explosion in Siberia during the first part of the 20th century was caused by one of Tesla's experiements.

Also, there was a show about ten years ago with one character loosely based on Tesla and his Colorado experiments and the main character was* kind of Twain-like and was played by Richard Dean Anderson (Stargate SG-1 and MacGuyver).

http://www.rhfweb.com/biodome.html
http://www.rense.com/general30/mager.htm
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=29998
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/edit/index.php?op=view&itemid=2301
http://www.cheniere.org/books/ferdelance/s60.htm
http://www.davidicke.net/mysteries/reports/scalar.html

Looking for more stuff
I don't know if these have showed up before, Luv?

Thanks, Old Wiz, for the kind words. See your PM from me.

Sam Grant, these links are good here, but let's make sure they get posted at N.E.R.D, too, okay? Thanks.

Luv:
Good lord, there some seriously wild-*ssed theories surrounding this guy! He is SO perfect for JJ to use. You ARE the WOMAN, girl!!! I seriously love you... now I won't be tearing what litlle remains of my hair out. I have a MISSION! I will ferret out the secrets of the JJ/Tesla universe and get ahead of him. Ooooh, the euphoria, the excitement, the joy, the ... ACKKK! (sound of body falling to the floor...)

Voiceover: "There is no justice in JJ's universe. Only JJ wins..."
Fade to black...

7psmi-Do you know the name of the show where RDA played the scientist guy based on Tesla.
I've always loved MacGyver and Stargate.

7psmi-Do you know the name of the show where RDA played the scientist guy based on Tesla.
I've always loved MacGyver and Stargate.


The show was called "Legend"
it aired in 1995
The character that was based on Tesla was named Bartok and was played by John de Lancie
In that show RDA plays a writer/novelist, who with the help of the scientist will assume the role of the imaginary character of his books
this action was supposed to take place in 1890
it was cancelled after 13 episodes

The show was called "Legend"
it aired in 1995
The character that was based on Tesla was named Bartok and was played by John de Lancie
In that show RDA plays a writer/novelist, who with the help of the scientist will assume the role of the imaginary character of his books
this action was supposed to take place in 1890
it was cancelled after 13 episodes

Due to the problem of being on the UPM when it shared a channel with Fox in several markets. When I lived in St. Louis it aired at 2am. Hard to find an audience. I like it that we all seem to know who RDA is. ;D

. I like it that we all seem to know who RDA is. ;D

He will always be MacGyver to me and Marge Simpsons sisters :laugh: :lol2: :laugh: :lol2:

He will always be MacGyver to me and Marge Simpsons sisters :laugh: :lol2: :laugh: :lol2:

I agree. I'm very proud to say that I have been called a female MacGyver a few times in my life. When you are a stage manager there are times when that ability come in handy.

I went back over several pages and didn't see this but pardon me if it has been mentioned.

There is an article about Telsa in this month's issue of NEXUS magazine. I skimmed through it was going to buy it but forgot about it and walked out of the store without it... :-[

The show was called "Legend"
it aired in 1995
The character that was based on Tesla was named Bartok and was played by John de Lancie
In that show RDA plays a writer/novelist, who with the help of the scientist will assume the role of the imaginary character of his books
this action was supposed to take place in 1890
it was cancelled after 13 episodes


Say, thanks for posting that. I couldn't remember anything about it except the Tesla/Twain connection.

Somone was asking for this thread.

Sam maybe you can get a clear shot. What do you think?

pilot
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=3&pos=643

ex2
http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=486&pos=442

real life Greg Grundburg
http://www.torn-world.org/alias/images/gg.jpg

Pposted this in another thread but it seems that Tesla ties in even better with what we now know from the orientation film.


It seems as though the geodesic doem that the are in they are only in the top 1/3 to 1/2 of it. There is plenty of room underneath to house a much larger coil. Also we don't know what is behind that one wall. My high school had a very large 20 foot tesla coil they made in the 70's that they only powered up once because it jammed the radar at the Portland International Airport. The Air National Guard made them render it inopperable after its first run. Remember Tesla did much of his research in the early part of the century. If we can go from the Wright brothers plane to the Space Shuttle in the same period, and the Model T to Formula 1 cars, I can imagine there is some room for improvement in the design of the coil. I would imagine that using a high powered magnetic field it woudl almost be possible to direct the energy from the coil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla
Tesla had his hands in almost every project mentioned in the video. He even showed some signs of being obsessed with numbers.
some interesting quotes:

Tesla, at his lab, proved that the earth was a conductor and produced artificial lightning (with the discharges consisting of millions of volts and were up to 135 feet long). [16]. Tesla also investigated atmospheric electricity, observing lightning signals via his receivers. Reproductions of Tesla's receivers and coherer circuits show an unpredicted level of complexity (eg., distributed high-Q helical resonators, radio frequency feedback, crude heterodyne effects, and regeneration techniques). [17] Tesla stated that he observed stationary waves during this time. [18].


In the Colorado Springs lab, he "recorded" signals of what he believed were extraterrestrial radio signals. His announcements and data were rejected by the scientific community. He noted measurements of repetitive signals from his receiver which are substantially different from the signals he had noted from storms and earth noise. Specifically, he later recalled that the signals appeared in groups of one, two, three, and four clicks together.
Tesla started to exhibit pronounced symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder in the years following. He became obsessed with the number three. He often felt compelled to walk around a block three times before entering a building, demanded a stack of three folded cloth napkins beside his plate at every meal, etc
When he was eighty-one, Tesla stated he had completed a unified field theory. He stated that it was "worked out in all details" and hoped to give to the world the theory soon. [23] The theory was never published
At the time of his death, Tesla had been working on some form of teleforce weapon, or death ray. It appears that his proposed death ray was related to his research into ball lightning and plasma. After the FBI was contacted by the War Department, his papers were declared to be top secret. All of his personal effects were seized on the advice of presidential advisors, and J. Edgar Hoover declared the case "most secret", because of the nature of Tesla's inventions and patents. [24]

Like many of his era, Tesla became a proponent of an imposed selective breeding version of eugenics. The totality of his ideas, though, are difficult to place in any eugenicist school of thought. In a 1937 interview, he stated,

[...] man's new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct [...]. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal. [28]

In 1926, Tesla in an interview, commenting on the ills of the social subservience of women and the struggle of women toward sex equality, indicated that humanity's future would be run by "Queen Bees". He believed that women would become the dominant sex in the future. [29]



On a less serious note ever play Command and Conquer?

I am a Tesla nut, and I see many many parallels between Tesla's work and the show. I hope it is based around some of Teslas work. That would be right up my alley.

There is more on Tesla on the NERD thread. You can find it by doing a search. I think you will find it very interesting. I;m glad this thread resurfaced since I also see the many parallels with Tesla's work.

Just another point to add. When Tesla was very young he experienced very strong paranormal phenomenon. Remote viewing was talked about in great detail. Even later in life when his mother was dying he says that she appeared to him at the moment of her death.

Is Alvar Hanso Nikola Tesla?

There are parallel's between the 2.

Is Alvar Hanso Nikola Tesla?

Absolutely not. Nikola Tesla and Albert Einstein both quit projects where their research was used for evil reasons.

He invented some pretty wild stuff, but he was a good guy, who's ideas were twisted by "others"

Whose to say that the same thing isn't happening here? Maybe Alvar funded the project in order to advance the human race, much like Tesla wished to do with his inventions. If I remember correctly Tesla stated he had perfected his "Death Ray" but never gave it to any government for fear they would misuse it. Like I have stated before I don't think Alvar is Tesla but he could be based loosely on him.

That could make sense. We've put Alvar Hanso in the category of evil, without knowing diddly squat about him. Being an Arms dealer is not the best thing in the world to do, but it doesn't necessarily make him evil.

It would be like Lost to have be a good guy that was taken advantage of.

Hopefully we get a tidbit of info on this tonight?

Just as a side note, Tesla was involved with the government deveolping weapons during the war. It was do to this that he attempted to create a weapon that would end all wars.

I think this thread is relevant and needs to come back from the past. :;):

Take a look at this screencap from an upcoming episode:

2.15 Maternity Leave
http://pics.livejournal.com/dryope/pic/0013std9 It is a door with another Dharma symbol. Notice that it resembles the caduceus symbol (although the wings are not apparent, unless they are the red arrow-point things at the top, and there is no rod.


The following seems to be relevant to Tesla and perhaps his coil. Someone posted this link
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/caduceusexp.htm
about the strange properties of a caduceus coil. I think it's interesting, and also that the coil design resembles 2 strands of DNA. Also, the word "pseudo-science" in on that web site (I know, maybe just a coincidence).
Both links http://www.atlantisdivide.com/cadu.html mention a caduceus coil levitating.
This link http://www.nulpuntenergie.net/frank/esk-zelfbouwen.htm has some interesting photos of coils.

I wonder if the strong electromagnetic properties of the Swan sector were used to power a caduceus coil (or Tesla coil) and this caused the incident?

I agree with you, that this thread is relelvant and should come back.

My grandfather (born in 1886) was a Chemical Engineer out of Brooklyn Polytech and in 1910/11 went to Niagara Falls, New York...he knew Tesla. They played chess together at one point(Grandpa was a superb chess player). His (my grandfather's) impressions of Tesla was admiration for the man's brains' and his ability to use his intelligence well..
My grandfather was a brilliant scientist in his own right....he said that Tesla was better than almost anyone else.

At one point, it was thought that Niagara Falls New York was the City of the Future. Tesla had labs on Goat Island (just across the bridge on the US side to Goat Island....downtown Niagara Falls with the Redcoach Inn on one side, St. Peter's Episcopal Church in the background...you could walk from the Church to goat island by the by...same place as Cave of the Winds is located). All the planning went that way until things changed in the 60's.

Tesla, I think, may be important as the source for much of the science on the Island.

When you look at many of the things that are apparently happening on the "Island" it fits Tesla like a glove.

We do know that the Swan station was specifically for the study of Electromagnetic Energy. We have a plane basically plucked from the sky. Tesla was heavily into remote viewing. There are many correlations.

Since LuvMySayid decided to close the N.E.R.D thread this Thread should be revived.

I agree.
Tesla and his concepts are really very important.

It would be interesting if the next "hatch" finding lead into a very large totally Tesla environment.

And in their time, so was Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Madam Curie (add a string of scientists' names here).* The point is that almost anyone who is truly a forward thinker - ahead of his/her time is thought to be "mad" by those unable to grasp the nature of their work.* Passage of time usually makes heros of them.* Glad to hear there are other Tesla fans on the board!*

Kgmaus and Sam Grant, here is a link to the Tesla society web page, which you will enjoy.
http://www.teslasociety.com/

thanks for the link. my my wasn't he a cute one though, such twinkly eyes, like he knows all these great secrets! I think physics has that effect on people. quantum physics, the fun secret!

Roanna

Sam has resurected the NERD thread you might like to check it out
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=40934

Sam has resurected the NERD thread you might like to check it out
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=40934

Thank you so much! I'm there .....

Roanna:kiss:

I dont know how many know of the arcturus link found in M108, the big dipper, Ursa major.

but recently a poster named lacenair found this image.

http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img106211666402dz.jpg


the fact it was a radio transmitter tube" really seemed fitting.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Diode_vacuum_tube.png



i made this in response to the info I saw connecting from the wiki description of vacuum tubes.
there is much more to it.

basically...
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/4809/diodevacuumisland8xs.jpg






the page of the thread it started in
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15883&page=31



most should know my theory by now, do not let the confusing nature of quantum mechanics scare you away.

quantum field theory will be important.


BTW, I see you all talking about tesla, but has anyone brought this up yet..

in relation to the recent Arcturus vacuum tube research..familiar ground for myself and those who know my theory.


The lowest possible energy state is called the zero-point energy and consists of a seething mass of virtual particles that have brief existence. This is called vacuum fluctuation. While most agree that this represents a significant part of particle physics, it is a concept that would benefit from a deeper understanding than currently available. Vacuum fluctuations may also be related to the so-called cosmological constant in the theory of gravitation, if indeed this entity were to be observed in nature on a macroscopic scale.




The cosmological constant (usually denoted by the Greek capital letter lambda: Λ) was proposed by Albert Einstein as part of his theory of general relativity to achieve a stationary universe.
After the discovery of Hubble redshift and the introduction of the expanding space paradigm Einstein abandoned the concept.
New discoveries in the 1990s have however renewed interest in a cosmological constant.


As was only recently seen, by works of 't Hooft, Susskind and others, a positive cosmological constant has surprising consequences, such as a finite maximum entropy of the observable universe. (my words, that it has an end, an answer)
(See the holographic principle.)


The holographic principle is a speculative conjecture about quantum gravity theories, proposed by Gerard 't Hooft and improved and promoted by Leonard Susskind, claiming that all of the information contained in a volume of space can be represented by a theory that lives in the boundary of that region.

In other words, if you have a room then you can model all of the events within that room by creating a theory that only takes into account what happens in the walls of the room.


Gerard 't Hooft = GERALD DEGROOT


my thread at LOST-TV,
http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15883


my simpler less in-depth thread here at the fuselage.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=39938

I dont know how many know of the arcturus link found in M108, the big dipper, Ursa major.

M108 is in Ursa Major, but Arcturis is in Bootes. (Don't know if that makes a difference or not.) :biggrin:

it is the guardian of the big bear.
Ursa Major

it is the guardian of the big bear.
Ursa Major
Guess that is why the ancient Greeks called it the "bear guard".
I should have put my post in the form of a question:
Does it make a difference in lacenair's theory?

no difference at all, it was only meant as a easter egg, to find other connections.

IMO.

arcturus gives an underlining idea of a fifth dimension, somewhere HAnso may have looked to do his elementary particle experiments.

Like in sudbury how we needed to go underground to find the neutrino, to block out interference etc...

and I guess Lace is my teammate in this thoery, he has been a huge help, I have no idea how he finds such golden eggs.

he found nearly all the images once I made the least bit of a connection.
always does.

the guy is AWESOME. I hope he reads this board !

In the light of current events on the island old theories are coming back up again.

In the light of current events on the island old theories are coming back up again.

A lot of them. I know I had at one time posted that the plane crashed because Desmond didn't push the button and also about the Electromagnetic power on the Island being the cause but I don't know how to look up my old posts. Anyway There's a lot of gold on that old thread.

How you doing Sam been awhile.

The lowest possible energy state is called the zero-point energy and consists of a seething mass of virtual particles that have brief existence. This is called vacuum fluctuation. While most agree that this represents a significant part of particle physics, it is a concept that would benefit from a deeper understanding than currently available. Vacuum fluctuations may also be related to the so-called cosmological constant in the theory of gravitation, if indeed this entity were to be observed in nature on a macroscopic scale.
yung: Zero point energy has keen discussed many times. Is that what you've been describing on your threads?

A lot of them. I know I had at one time posted that the plane crashed because Desmond didn't push the button and also about the Electromagnetic power on the Island being the cause but I don't know how to look up my old posts. Anyway There's a lot of gold on that old thread.

How you doing Sam been awhile.
How's this for a theory?

The button is pushed every 108 minutes, if it is not pushed the transmission is no longer contained and is broadcast beyond the "Island". Someone missed pushing the button 16 years ago and that is why Sam & Lenny heard the transmission. Danielle and her team were sent to investigate and encountered Brandon. The "it" that escaped was the numbers transmission itself. Is this one of them?

Yes it's one of them. Thanks Sam. I think I had a few others but it doesn't really matter.

What is important is the discussion I remember a lot of us having on the original N.E.R.D thread regarding the shielding of the Island by harnessing the Electromagnetic power of the Island. It may even have been discussed earlier on this thread. IMHO, this episode confirmed that. Much more to be discovered and revealed.

LBL

Has anyone else noticed the Kelvin reference? Kelvin introduced Desmond to the anomaly, and William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin) did foundational work on electrical induction and was a great admirer of Tesla. This certainly bolsters the Tesla connection.

Has anyone else noticed the Kelvin reference? Kelvin introduced Desmond to the anomaly, and William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin) did foundational work on electrical induction and was a great admirer of Tesla. This certainly bolsters the Tesla connection. Yes, it has been mentioned in the past, but no harm in bringing it up again.:biggrin:

Bumped for all the great background on Tesla -- many thanks to SamG for the link! I particularly draw your attention to tabby's prescient post (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=775532&postcount=136) re the caduceus coil. Was something weird happening with time in Medical Hatch?

Bumped for all the great background on Tesla -- many thanks to SamG for the link! I particularly draw your attention to tabby's prescient post (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=775532&postcount=136) re the caduceus coil. Was something weird happening with time in Medical Hatch?
big, you're too kind!:cool: I had discovered this Tesla thread, and when I saw that caduceus logo in the preview for Maternity Leave, it reminded me of it.

Quoting part of your post on your Rainbow thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1068800&highlight=coil#post1068800):

diz: Yes, it looks like Beardon and scalar interferometery are big parts of the puzzle. Stiill reading up on the latter and will post my thoughts shortly. In the mean time, check out this description of a so-called HDR caduceus coil:

Quote:
Everyone knows, or should know, that when you wind insulated wire into a cylindrical coil and then apply a fluctuating electrical current, the coil exerts an electromagnetic wave -- the basis of ordinary radio transmission.

Well, according to some fringe hobbyists, if you design your coil with a caduceus pattern -- i.e., with two opposing sets of windings that cross each other twice per revolution such that their magnetic fields precisely cancel -- the resulting device will radiate highly directional "scalar waves" which are undetectable with ordinary radio equipment but receivable with another caduceus coil perfectly aligned with your first. (Full text here (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct2000/972087328.Ph.q.html).)
Here's where things get really interesting.

Quote:
[]We could call the HDR a techno-shamanic tool, used by technomages in attempting to increase their natural latent phychic abilities. Perhaps the pulsed magnetic field can stimulate deep thought process associated with natural psychic ability. We still do not understand the great unknown.

What we do know is that the Hyper Dimensional Resonator was invented in 1985 by Steven Gibbs while he was a farmer in Nebraska. This tool was based on an earlier more crude radionics machine known as the Sonic Resonator.

This experimental radionics machine can be used for astral time travel. The operator of the HDR needs to set the dials to adjust the frequency that is being generated. (Full text here (http://www.hdrusers.com/hdr_freq.htm).)

Just popping in to let you all know I'm not dead! Hi, all. (wave) Looking forward to S-3 because J.J. Abrams is rumored to be returning! I'm psyched.
Luv

Hi Luv, so glad your not Dead!!!!!

Hi Luv, thanks for coming, you've been missed a lot

Ditto

Well, "hope springs eternal...", so I will not hold a grudge because Season 2 kinda went off the tracks and I am willing to give Season 3 a chance. Glad the Tesla information is still of interest. I'll be back now and then. Carry on, friends!

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125624.400&feedId=online-news_rss20

Turn up the voltage!
check this article out! its electric and might help explain Rose and Lock!

Telsa has been a subject of research for me for several years. I saw a very interesting documentary about the Japanese cult " The Supreme Truth" trying to use lost Telsa technology in Australia. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/bskies3.html
Could the Korean connection in Lost be related to this somehow?

However, there is one thing I would like to point out from the orginal post. Telsa did NOT cause a building to collapse. I believe you are refering to the Manhattan event.

"Nikola Tesla is primarily thought of as an electrical genius, but he also was responsible for a number of mechanical devices. One of the most notorious of these was his "Earthquake Machine" otherwise known as the Tesla Oscillator. The machine which Tesla tested was small, around seven inches long, and weighing only one or two pounds; something "you could put in your overcoat pocket". In 1898, Tesla's New York lab was nearly shaken to pieces with this little device, operated by only five pounds of air pressure acting against a special pneumatic piston device. The whole assembly was designed to be powered by steam pressure."
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/Tesla/Oscillator.html

This device was attached one of the main vertical beams of the building. It seems to have worked using the natural resonance of the structure, in effect, creating a sort of echoing vibrating wave. He left the device running and left the building for a short time and when he returned the entire building was shaking itself apart. I dont believe the building actually collapsed but certainly on the verge of doing so. I am not sure but this is also where the story of the earthquake machine comes from.


The story of Telsa and his inventions and his failure make compelling reading. The Wardenclyff project in Shoreham New York was astounding given the fact that radio was still in its infancy.

I haven't been posting here for a while, but found this link, and thought someone might find it rather entertaining...don't know if it has been brought up before, if so, sorry...it's getting harder to keep up with all this stuff !
The Frog That Learned to Fly (http://www.hfml.ru.nl/froglev.html)
(Molecular Magnetism and Levitation)

I don't understand what the theory is here... it just seems like a "Hooray Tesla!" thread. Of course, I'm very prone to miss the meaning in words...

tachyon: Some threads advance more specific theories, others provide tools useful to theorists generally. I think most would agree that both types have a place in this forum. This is obviously an example of the latter, more general thread. For something related but more specific, check out my thread Somewhere Over the Rainbow (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=51891)...

Tesla Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster

Tesla Roadster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster

Very nice. Too bad its really expensive. Great alternative to gas, that's for sure. Thanks Sam.

Namaste, Eric.

From another thread, by smokeyisgood:

Tesla engaged in reading many works, memorizing complete books. He had a photographic memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_memory). [19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#_note-17) Tesla related in his autobiography that he experienced detailed moments of inspiration. During his early life, Tesla was stricken with illness time and time again. He suffered a peculiar affliction in which blinding flashes of light would appear before his eyes, often accompanied by hallucinations. Much of the time the visions were linked to a word or idea he might come across; just by hearing the name of an item, he would involuntarily envision it in realistic detail. Modern-day synesthetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia) report similar symptoms. Tesla would visualise an invention in his brain in precise form before moving to the construction stage; a technique which is sometimes known as picture thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_thinking). Tesla also often had flashbacks to events that had happened previously in his life, this began to happen during childhood.


The single strangest invention Tesla ever proposed was probably the "thought photography" machine. He reasoned that a thought formed in the mind created a corresponding image in the retina, and the electrical data of this neural transmission could be read and recorded in a machine. The stored information could then be processed through an artificial optic nerve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_nerve) and played back as visual patterns on a viewscreen.
I can't re-read this whole thread to see if this info was already posted, but it's very interesting in light of what has transpired on the show, and when considering Lucidity's Soul Catcher thread.