Was 815 trying to land on the others island or the losties island?
If not why was it flying so low?

The others island IS the island the plane did land on. The other others island is the small prison island

The plane was brought to the island on purpose. The Others needed a spinal surgeon. They waited until they had a spinal surgeon on a flight they could control. Oceanic Flight 815, Dr. Jack Shepard and fate all meet September 21st 2004. The pilot was to bring the plane to the island and land safely. Jack would be taken off the flight and the plane would leave. The other passengers would be told they landed in Fiji or some other island and that it was just a quick stop. The other passengers wouldn't even get off the plane. The flight would continue and all would be normal. The Others then make Jack operate on "HIM", the 40 year old man with the tumor on his spine.

What they didn't expect was Desmond and the Hatch. By not pressing the button in time caused the hatch to released a magnetic pull which brought Flight 815, crashing, instead of landing on the island.

The Island had other things in mind.

Jack saw the x-ray and he now knows he was brought to the island for a reason. They needed a spinal surgeon and a spinal surgeon just happened to crash land on they're island. Jack knows they brought him here.

The others island IS the island the plane did land on. The other others island is the small prison island

The island Ben showed Sawyer is where the plane crashed where the losties are, the others are on the small island.
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The plane was brought to the island on purpose. The Others needed a spinal surgeon. They waited until they had a spinal surgeon on a flight they could control. Oceanic Flight 815, Dr. Jack Shepard and fate all meet September 21st 2004. The pilot was to bring the plane to the island and land safely. Jack would be taken off the flight and the plane would leave. The other passengers would be told they landed in Fiji or some other island and that it was just a quick stop. The other passengers wouldn't even get off the plane. The flight would continue and all would be normal. The Others then make Jack operate on "HIM", the 40 year old man with the tumor on his spine.

What they didn't expect was Desmond and the Hatch. By not pressing the button in time caused the hatch to released a magnetic pull which brought Flight 815, crashing, instead of landing on the island.

The Island had other things in mind.

Jack saw the x-ray and he now knows he was brought to the island for a reason. They needed a spinal surgeon and a spinal surgeon just happened to crash land on they're island. Jack knows they brought him here.

I totally agree, I posted this a couple of months ago.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=56766

The island Ben showed Sawyer is where the plane crashed where the losties are, the others are on the small island.
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Yeah, but if you remember in the opening shot of season 3 they were on the Losties island. It's like Gobi said that island that JKS are on is a island where they keep prisoners. They moved them there after they knocked them out at the end of season 2.

What im wondering is how much control the others have and how much they know if they really were from dharma woudnt they know that not pressing the button = big problems when that happened at the start of S3 they seemed pretty surprised.

i think they didnt plan it because Ben asked for lists within 3 days.

No, they brought them all there. If that's the way the show ends what a waste.

The plane was brought to the island on purpose. The Others needed a spinal surgeon. They waited until they had a spinal surgeon on a flight they could control. Oceanic Flight 815, Dr. Jack Shepard and fate all meet September 21st 2004. The pilot was to bring the plane to the island and land safely. Jack would be taken off the flight and the plane would leave. The other passengers would be told they landed in Fiji or some other island and that it was just a quick stop. The other passengers wouldn't even get off the plane. The flight would continue and all would be normal. The Others then make Jack operate on "HIM", the 40 year old man with the tumor on his spine.

What they didn't expect was Desmond and the Hatch. By not pressing the button in time caused the hatch to released a magnetic pull which brought Flight 815, crashing, instead of landing on the island.

The Island had other things in mind.

Jack saw the x-ray and he now knows he was brought to the island for a reason. They needed a spinal surgeon and a spinal surgeon just happened to crash land on they're island. Jack knows they brought him here.

i think that no one has a spinal tumor. it's part of another "others" con, this time aimed at jack. why would they have his xrays out and on a light board (which would be turned off and unviewable unless someone was actively viewing them -- not likely as everyone was hectic and concerned with colleen's fate at that point, not poring over an unrelated xray of a tumor that's supposedly old news) unless they WANTED jack to see it.

when sawyer's flashback started, it was immediately obvious that he was conning the "costanza" (LOL) guy with the warden as his partner. that's because everything that involves sawyer HAS to, at this point, be considered a con. i submit that the same scrutiny now must be applied to anything the others say or do. they've established themselves as (and even admitting to being) expert cons. they need sawyer for something (thus the conning a con to gain his trust strategy). they also need jack for something, but i predict it is not for spinal surgery. do they need kate for something other than to control jack and sawyer? yet to be determined...

--billy

i think that no one has a spinal tumor. it's part of another "others" con, this time aimed at jack. why would they have his xrays out and on a light board (which would be turned off and unviewable unless someone was actively viewing them -- not likely as everyone was hectic and concerned with colleen's fate at that point, not poring over an unrelated xray of a tumor that's supposedly old news) unless they WANTED jack to see it.

when sawyer's flashback started, it was immediately obvious that he was conning the "costanza" (LOL) guy with the warden as his partner. that's because everything that involves sawyer HAS to, at this point, be considered a con. i submit that the same scrutiny now must be applied to anything the others say or do. they've established themselves as (and even admitting to being) expert cons. they need sawyer for something (thus the conning a con to gain his trust strategy). they also need jack for something, but i predict it is not for spinal surgery. do they need kate for something other than to control jack and sawyer? yet to be determined...

--billy


It could be that, or it could also be that they used that as a hint for Jack to start figuring out why they kidnapped him. He asked for answers, right? The Others are not very talkative, so why not leave a clue for him?

It was flying low because it was already having problems. They were 1000 miles off course when the plane went down. They also experienced extreme turbulance before the plane broke apart.

As far as "The Others brought them there on purpose" - I don't buy it. To say that "they needed a spinal surgeon, so that proves it was brought down on purpose" doesn't jibe with me. What purpose did Eko serve? And the drug plane? There are far to many coincidences on the island to simply take ONE and say "yep, they planned it".

And with what Ben said about making lists and how badly Ethan kicked Jack's butt, I don't think it was their major plan.

It was flying low because it was already having problems. They were 1000 miles off course when the plane went down. They also experienced extreme turbulance before the plane broke apart.

As far as "The Others brought them there on purpose" - I don't buy it. To say that "they needed a spinal surgeon, so that proves it was brought down on purpose" doesn't jibe with me. What purpose did Eko serve? And the drug plane? There are far to many coincidences on the island to simply take ONE and say "yep, they planned it".

And with what Ben said about making lists and how badly Ethan kicked Jack's butt, I don't think it was their major plan.

What problems was it already having? The whole sequence of the plane breaking up only took about 30 or 40 seconds. Just because they were off course, why would they drop to 3000 or 4000 feet in the middle of nowhere unless they were trying to land? Now the others may not have brought them there, but someone else might have.

What problems was it already having? The whole sequence of the plane breaking up only took about 30 or 40 seconds. Just because they were off course, why would they drop to 3000 or 4000 feet in the middle of nowhere unless they were trying to land? Now the others may not have brought them there, but someone else might have.

In 30-40 seconds a plane can plummet pretty fast. In the end, the whole CG shot of the plane flying across the island and breaking up was for dramatic intent and nothing too scientific. Here is a video of it I uploaded 3 weeks ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8KXhTdclns

Now, take into consideration that the CG team tapped to make that sequence did so in a few weeks time and most likely didn't take into consideration actual flying height of the plane at the time. They were going to a dramatic "wow" moment and that's about it. The plane is flying low, but it was already plummeting fast, as demonstrated by the people flying up and hitting the interior roof during the turbulance sequence. that shows the plane is descending at a pretty alarming rate, not to mention they were flying off course to begin with.

I agree, the plane should be a little bit higher, but in the end it was made lower for dramatic effect and nothing else. At least, thats how I see it. I could be wrong.

Wasn't the plane off course due to malfunctioning instruments on the plane? I can't remember. If so, then the altitude gauges may have been wrong therefore the plane was a lot lower than it should have been.

If you look at the screen cap revealing the location of Othersville in relation to the plane crashing,

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg

You can see it is entirely possible that the picture shows 2 islands that is "made" to look like one whole island. It is very possible that the Others have their village/headquarters on the island Ben reveals to Sawyer they are on, separate from the Losties' island.

Plus, in the Pearl Station video, it statesthat they have to walk to the Pala Ferry to get to the Barracks at night.... the Barracks are probably the homes they were living in when the plane crashed.

In 30-40 seconds a plane can plummet pretty fast. In the end, the whole CG shot of the plane flying across the island and breaking up was for dramatic intent and nothing too scientific. Here is a video of it I uploaded 3 weeks ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8KXhTdclns

Now, take into consideration that the CG team tapped to make that sequence did so in a few weeks time and most likely didn't take into consideration actual flying height of the plane at the time. They were going to a dramatic "wow" moment and that's about it. The plane is flying low, but it was already plummeting fast, as demonstrated by the people flying up and hitting the interior roof during the turbulance sequence. that shows the plane is descending at a pretty alarming rate, not to mention they were flying off course to begin with.

I agree, the plane should be a little bit higher, but in the end it was made lower for dramatic effect and nothing else. At least, thats how I see it. I could be wrong.

I am with you on the dramatic effect, but the plane was not plummeting fast, it was flying low and slow and level with its flaps down. If you watch the video the first thing ejected from the plane is the nose landing gear a second before the plane breaks apart. IMO I think the pilot was trying to get the gear down when the plane broke up.
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I was just set this, I do not know if its canon or not but it is interesting. Read the comments.

http://lost.beloblog.com/archives/2006/10/walt_back.html

If you look at the screen cap revealing the location of Othersville in relation to the plane crashing,

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/twocitiescap-0090.jpg

You can see it is entirely possible that the picture shows 2 islands that is "made" to look like one whole island. It is very possible that the Others have their village/headquarters on the island Ben reveals to Sawyer they are on, separate from the Losties' island.

No, I'm fairly sure the others have the village on the losties island. I can see how it could potentially be 2 islands in that picture, but I think they would have to be alot closer together than we saw this episode, and the part with the others village looks far too big and open spaced to be the Hydra island.

No, I'm fairly sure the others have the village on the losties island. I can see how it could potentially be 2 islands in that picture, but I think they would have to be alot closer together than we saw this episode, and the part with the others village looks far too big and open spaced to be the Hydra island.

I agree - it's definitely the same island in that shot.

Plus, Ben said the island was twice the size of Alcatraz and that crater is like 18 times the size of Alcatraz - Alcatraz is tiny.