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DharmaChick
11-01-2006, 10:23 PM
Did anyone else see this connection? What do you think it means?

When Eko and Locke go to find Yemi, they move rocks away from the entrance where he was entombed. They look inside and the body is gone.
This seemed to be pretty clearly related to the story of Jesus' resurrection, when the two disciples went to find him in the tomb.

Ladybug_ocean
11-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Good catch! Didn't pick up on that.

imaaronsmom
11-01-2006, 10:31 PM
I noticed it right away. It goes along with all the other Catholic references they've thrown in along the way.

Briolette
11-01-2006, 10:33 PM
I have to wonder if it is symbolic of Eco or his brother... his brother didn't seem like himself, was he a resurrection... the real deal and he was upset because Eco refused to confess because he saw his actions as justified, or was his brother really smokey.
If its symbolic of Eco, did he ruin his chances of 'life ever-lasting' by not confessing because the 'tomb' was empty ?

everblue3
11-01-2006, 10:50 PM
I saw that and immediately thought: once again, Eko goes WAY BACK for his references...He's fond of the biblical references, I've noticed.

Lost_In_Louisiana
11-01-2006, 11:03 PM
When they were rolling that HUGE stone away from the plane, the first thing I thought of was the empty tomb - I knew Yemi wouldn't be there! ;)

Ok so, Jesus' body was gone from the tomb and his death & resurrection provided salvation for the sinners (us). Somehow, Yemi's body's disappearance and apparent resurrection symbolized salvation for Eko???

DharmaChick
11-01-2006, 11:19 PM
When they were rolling that HUGE stone away from the plane, the first thing I thought of was the empty tomb - I knew Yemi wouldn't be there! ;)That big stone is what caught my attention, too.

I have to wonder if it is symbolic of Eco or his brother... his brother didn't seem like himself, was he a resurrection... the real deal and he was upset because Eco refused to confess because he saw his actions as justified, or was his brother really smokey.His brother seemed very frightening to me in this scene. Omnious, I suppose. I think that he was Smokey, as with Dave.
If its symbolic of Eco, did he ruin his chances of 'life ever-lasting' by not confessing because the 'tomb' was empty ?I was wondering about this, too. Any ideas?

SenatorKent
11-02-2006, 12:11 AM
Cool thoughts

silveranswer
11-02-2006, 12:13 AM
Yes, the big sone wasn't there before.

Interesting. . .

FishBiscuit
11-02-2006, 06:48 AM
When they were rolling that HUGE stone away from the plane, the first thing I thought of was the empty tomb - I knew Yemi wouldn't be there! ;)

I thought the exact same thing - "Yemi won't be in there". I thought the placement of the Mary statue in the "tomb" was interesting, too. Further solidifying the religious overtones this show has which I think can no longer be ignored.

SenatorKent
11-02-2006, 10:44 AM
So last time we saw the plane it was being burned, right? So where did the stones come from?

frejole_breeze
11-02-2006, 11:01 AM
In the biblical telling, the two disciples found the stone already removed. Just a small difference, but yes, the analogy was immediately evident. However, I thought the writers tried to make it clear that it was not his brother resurrected or any other form, but a formation of the "monster" - either from Eko's head or the monster's interpretation of Eko's memories.

FishBiscuit
11-02-2006, 11:28 AM
In Matthew, the angel rolls away the stone after the women arrive, although I think that detail is insignificant. I think TPTB wanted us to just notice a "stone being rolled away" and a "body missing".

interested
11-02-2006, 11:37 AM
We have a field of bright, blood-red flowers, meant perhaps to recall the atoning blood of Christ, which offers forgiveness to all who repent. We have the rolling away of the stone (over the plane) and the empty wrappings--i.e. the Resurrection. Well, what comes after the Resurrection? The Judgment. And it does not go well for Eko.

Eko dies refusing to repent, proud of the blood on his hands, insisting he has done nothing in his life that he needs to repentant of, but only what he needed to do to survive. This, to me, is a very different Eko from the Eko who turns inward in Pslam 23, the Eko who stands before his enemy and cuts off his beard, the Eko who repents for having killed two Others in order to survive.

Yemi makes the point that he is NOT Eko's brother. Eko's fear when he asks, "Who are you?" is the fear of a man who has just met his Judge (the Judge who has arisen, who has left his grave wrappings behind).

Eko saw smoke. Locke saw light. Perhaps Locke will do better at the "judgment", and since it seems he's next...I hope so. I found this entire episode quite depressing.

connrick
11-02-2006, 11:41 AM
I thought the exact same thing - "Yemi won't be in there". I thought the placement of the Mary statue in the "tomb" was interesting, too. Further solidifying the religious overtones this show has which I think can no longer be ignored.

Also, TPTB knew the schedule and airdates for the six episodes so they put this deeply religious episode on Nov 1st which to Catholics is a Holy Day of Obligation(All Saints Day).

Just thought I would throw that out there.........

FishBiscuit
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
Good point, Connrick. All Saints' Day is also often used to honor martyrs. Not sure if TPTB actually meant for this ep to air on Nov. 1 but it is a striking coincidence if they didn't.

Majandra
11-02-2006, 11:53 AM
I noticed it right away. It goes along with all the other Catholic references they've thrown in along the way.

Why catholic? Since when is the Bible only a book for Catholics? :rolleyes:

There was another biblical reference I caught. It's from the Old Testament, I just don't recall which book ah! Found it!

Judges 7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=7&version=31&context=chapter)

5 So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the LORD told him, "Separate those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel down to drink." 6 Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths. All the rest got down on their knees to drink.

I admit, it might not be significant or a reference at all but the scene when Eko kneeled down to drink from that creek, they way he looked around while drinking (and the fact that he's a religious man) made me think of that scene in the Bible.

mooze
11-02-2006, 05:32 PM
Other Biblical references:
-The Altar boy being named Daniel.
-Eko's tent on fire - perhaps alluding to the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?
-When Eko was kneeling by the water, Psalm 137 came to mind. "By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion... For they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that required of us said sing us one of the songs of Zion...How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land?"
-When Eko is kneeling by the water, he tears his shirt and rubs mud on himself. Perhaps like the action of wearing sackcloth and ashes? It symbolizes mourning, mortality and penance.

SenatorKent
11-02-2006, 06:46 PM
Why catholic? Since when is the Bible only a book for Catholics? :rolleyes: .

So true, Majandra!

Biblical references throughout the show.

And so are we to take it that because Eko chose not to repent, the island killed him?

So, where did the stones come from?